:00:00. > :00:14.Welcome along. We're live on BBC One. Here's what we've got for you
:00:15. > :00:21.tonight: No, I will not shut my mouth. I will not shut my mouth.
:00:22. > :00:24.The Belfast preacher facing a police investigation for comments about the
:00:25. > :00:27.Muslim faith. A split at the top of Northern
:00:28. > :00:32.Ireland's newest party. NI21 Leader Basil McCrea is here.
:00:33. > :00:37.One rider left dead after this year's North West 200. Is it time to
:00:38. > :00:49.ban the event? Shameless star Tina Malone on having
:00:50. > :00:52.a baby at 50. And the country sensation Derek Ryan
:00:53. > :01:02.will be singing live in this studio tonight.
:01:03. > :01:17.Hello there. Thank you for joining us tonight.
:01:18. > :01:19.Police are investigating a Belfast preacher's attack on the Islamic
:01:20. > :01:22.faith. Pastor James McConnell's comments have been condemned by the
:01:23. > :01:29.deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness. They have been described
:01:30. > :01:32.as inflammatory by the Belfast Islamic Centre and the PSNI says it
:01:33. > :01:38.is investigating a hate crime motive. But he is standing by his
:01:39. > :01:42.sermon about the planned execution of a Christian woman in Sudan. Here
:01:43. > :01:46.are some of his most controversial remarks last Sunday. Now people say
:01:47. > :02:08.there are good Muslims in Britain. That maybe so. But I don't trust
:02:09. > :02:14.them. Islam is heathan, Islam is satanic. I challenged him about his
:02:15. > :02:18.sermon. I preached this sermon on Sunday night. Said good night to
:02:19. > :02:23.everybody and went home and had a bowl of cornflakes and look what
:02:24. > :02:27.happened. Well, look what happened. Now you have had Time to Reflect on
:02:28. > :02:31.it, do you not regret what you have said? No, because what I said is the
:02:32. > :02:37.truth and what I said was from my heart and could I say to you
:02:38. > :02:42.Stephen, there is not a Muslim out there or any person I wouldn't hurt
:02:43. > :02:46.a hair of their head. Muslims come to this church and listen to me
:02:47. > :02:51.every week. Well, I wonder if they will be coming back anymore? They
:02:52. > :02:55.were out at the prayer meeting on Monday night. Can I read the words
:02:56. > :03:00.to you that you said? Yes. People may say there are good Muslims in
:03:01. > :03:04.Britain, that maybe so, but I don't trust them. You don't trust a whole
:03:05. > :03:10.group of people who happen to be Muslims? I don't trust them? Let me
:03:11. > :03:14.qualify them. You didn't qualify it on the night. OK, I'll qualify it
:03:15. > :03:20.now. The reason why I don't trust them, the Muslim has a Sharia law
:03:21. > :03:28.and if the Sharia law controls every Muslim and if the Sharia law said
:03:29. > :03:31.kill Stephen Nolan, you would be killed. That's not true and that's a
:03:32. > :03:35.deeply, not just offensive thing to say, but a dangerous thing for a man
:03:36. > :03:40.in your position to say? No, it's not because it is the truth. It's
:03:41. > :03:45.the truth, Stephen and that Sharia law is a difficult law and they have
:03:46. > :03:49.to abide by that law. Also I said that and I said it with earnestness.
:03:50. > :03:55.There is a young woman who is going to be hanged soon. Because she
:03:56. > :04:05.accepted Christianity from the Muslim faith. This is in Sudan. Just
:04:06. > :04:11.as Christians will interpret a bible in different ways, so therefore,
:04:12. > :04:17.will Muslims for you to suggest that every Muslim will adhere strictly to
:04:18. > :04:20.Sharia law is absolute nonsense. There are different shades of
:04:21. > :04:25.Muslim. There are different types of Muslim just as there are different
:04:26. > :04:30.interpretations of the Christianity. I agree with that. But there are the
:04:31. > :04:33.aggressive Muslims and there is millions of them and they're
:04:34. > :04:37.gathering momentum. They're trying to take over the world. They're
:04:38. > :04:41.going to take over Britain. There are cell groups throughout Britain
:04:42. > :04:46.and they're going to do this. When you say cell groups, what do you
:04:47. > :04:50.mean? Men trained in violence. I know there are good people among the
:04:51. > :04:52.Muslim people, but they are controlled by this law and while
:04:53. > :04:56.they are controlled, they are dangerous. So you don't trust any of
:04:57. > :05:03.them for that reason? I don't trust them, no. None of them? None of
:05:04. > :05:07.them. Say the nitty graty came and -- nitty-gritty came and the
:05:08. > :05:13.authorities of Muslim said we want to you associate yourself with this
:05:14. > :05:18.man, McConnell, we want you to hurt him and harm him. I believe they
:05:19. > :05:22.would do it. When those Muslims you believe could hurt you and it is a
:05:23. > :05:26.deeply offensive thing to say to them. You don't afford them the
:05:27. > :05:32.right to their individualality, their sense of morality and their
:05:33. > :05:39.sense that... Oh, come off it Stephen. I do give them that. Stop
:05:40. > :05:42.sending the message if they were given an instruction they would hurt
:05:43. > :05:47.you. It is a stupid thing to say? No, it is not a stupid thing to say
:05:48. > :05:53.because of the Sharia law. Look at it. Look at it. I stand by that.
:05:54. > :05:58.Now, let the police come to me, whatever they want to do. I'll take
:05:59. > :06:04.my stand in front of my congregation, let my congregation
:06:05. > :06:10.judge me. But they know me and they love me. And I proved myself to this
:06:11. > :06:14.country. The Bible tells me that I have to treat the stranger that is
:06:15. > :06:19.within my gates, I have to treat him or her with honour, with dignity and
:06:20. > :06:26.with kindness. I believe in doing that. You don't follow all of the
:06:27. > :06:33.bible? I do my best to follow all of it. All of the bible? Yes, I do my
:06:34. > :06:38.best. Verse ten if a man commits adultery with another man's wife,
:06:39. > :06:49.with the wife of his neighbour, the adulterer and the adulteress is to
:06:50. > :06:55.be put to death? Do you believe that? That's in the old law. How am
:06:56. > :06:59.I not sitting here looking at a hypocrite who suggests that every
:07:00. > :07:03.Muslim is onlied by Sharia law -- owned by Sharia law, will not use
:07:04. > :07:09.their own sense of morality, their own sense of judgement in order to
:07:10. > :07:14.decide whether they have got to adhere to Sharia law and yet, you
:07:15. > :07:19.are sitting there, able to say that you will interpret bits of the bible
:07:20. > :07:27.as that suits you, but a Muslim can't? I'm not interpreting it. It
:07:28. > :07:33.is there in black and white. No, listen Stephen, Jesus interpreted...
:07:34. > :07:42.Let me read some of this to you, which you stand over. Islam is
:07:43. > :07:47.heathan, Islam is a doctrine spawned in hell. Yeah. I believe that. I
:07:48. > :07:55.respect the right of their faith. None of them are trustworthy...
:07:56. > :08:00.Definitely not. Look at the young soldier who was beheaded in Britain.
:08:01. > :08:04.You are taking isolated incidents... What about the 200 children
:08:05. > :08:09.kidnapped. Come on, is that isolated? Come on, Stephen, come on.
:08:10. > :08:14.Look at the others. Look at hundreds, this is not isolated -
:08:15. > :08:19.we're getting serious now the we're not toying with each other. Look at
:08:20. > :08:24.the hundreds that have been tortured and murdered in different Muslim
:08:25. > :08:29.countries. Hundreds of them. Churches burned. Now, listen, here
:08:30. > :08:33.is what the point I want to... And Christianity has never been involved
:08:34. > :08:38.in violence. Ah, Christianity is a farce at times. You wouldn't label
:08:39. > :08:43.every Christian as a farcical person as a violent person... No,
:08:44. > :08:48.absolutely not. And somebody who doesn't merit integrity, but you do
:08:49. > :08:51.afford those attributes to people of the Muslim faith? That's right, the
:08:52. > :08:59.Muslim faith is a faith of violence. So you are a hypocrite, sir? I'm not
:09:00. > :09:03.a hypocrite. A hypocrite is an actor. I'm not an actor. Have you
:09:04. > :09:06.thought about looking within yourself as to whether you are a
:09:07. > :09:11.racist? Let me tell you the stauns that
:09:12. > :09:15.question -- substance of that question. To label, it is
:09:16. > :09:19.interesting of how you look at me sternly when I talk about what you
:09:20. > :09:22.maybe, but you are very, very quick to label a whole community in
:09:23. > :09:29.Northern Ireland, very quick. You take a whole group of people. You
:09:30. > :09:32.don't afford them the right to have their individuality and you label a
:09:33. > :09:40.whole group of Muslims in Northern Ireland, all of them, as not
:09:41. > :09:43.meriting trust. As untrustworthy... Because of the Sharia law. Because
:09:44. > :09:47.of whatever you want it to be, you label every single one of them...
:09:48. > :09:53.No. No. No. How are you not a Race snes Listen, this church stores,
:09:54. > :09:57.they built a village in Ethiopia, most of the children who come there
:09:58. > :10:07.have been Muslim. We feed 600 children. How all -- how am I a
:10:08. > :10:13.Racers. We have built a clinic and church in Kenya. We look after 2,600
:10:14. > :10:16.children a month. Account children not be trusted because they are
:10:17. > :10:20.Muslims either? Well, I trust the children. I trust the children. You
:10:21. > :10:24.know, there is capacity within any human being... That's OK. To use
:10:25. > :10:28.their discretion to interpret their faith. I would accept that because
:10:29. > :10:31.there is Muslims come here so they don't do that. Do you trust the
:10:32. > :10:36.Muslims that walk through this door? I don't know. I say hello to them
:10:37. > :10:40.and greet them and love them. Muslims that sit-in front of you
:10:41. > :10:45.here, would you trust them? Yes, I would trust them. All of a sudden
:10:46. > :10:50.every other Muslim in Northern Ireland can't be trusted. Don't be
:10:51. > :10:55.funny with me Stephen. This is important. It is so important when
:10:56. > :11:02.you say you don't trust them? I don't. I don't trust them. Which
:11:03. > :11:07.ones? Those that keep the Sharia law. The police are launching a race
:11:08. > :11:12.hate telephone support line this week. There are race crimes in
:11:13. > :11:17.Northern Ireland. They are on the increase. To be fair to you, you
:11:18. > :11:24.have been very, very forthright, you condemn violence of all kinds...
:11:25. > :11:31.Absolutely. However, what if someone that can be influenced in this
:11:32. > :11:37.community is listening to a man of your stature and they want to hate a
:11:38. > :11:42.Muslim and the basis of their hate, the seed of it, is you telling them
:11:43. > :11:44.well, they can't be trusted and there are cells of them that are
:11:45. > :11:52.involved in terrorism... That's right. In other words, I have got to
:11:53. > :11:55.shut my mouth. I've got to shut my mouth to please you and to see
:11:56. > :12:06.please others of the no way, will I shut my mouth. I will condemn it and
:12:07. > :12:09.it is heathanism and I will not stand up for Christ and I will
:12:10. > :12:13.proclaim the Bible. These are strangers within our gates. We have
:12:14. > :12:21.allowed them to come in. God bless and god them help and encourage them
:12:22. > :12:25.and we will try and meet their need, but I believe they are gathering
:12:26. > :12:30.momentum around the world to take the world over. I'm not shutting my
:12:31. > :12:36.mouth for anybody, not even the Deputy First Minister. Well, let's
:12:37. > :12:39.turn to Martin McGuinness. Not even for him. He said he is going to
:12:40. > :12:44.raise your comments with the policing board. He said coming in
:12:45. > :12:47.the wake of recent spate of disgraceful racist attacks against
:12:48. > :12:52.families in parts of Belfast and elsewhere, such inflammatory
:12:53. > :12:56.comments only serve to fuel hatred. So he is saying your comments fuel
:12:57. > :13:00.hatred. Well, tell him to go to the police and tell him to confess to
:13:01. > :13:05.the police some of the things he did in the old days. Tell him to do
:13:06. > :13:11.that. OK. He is talking like a set of bagpipes. That's the respect I
:13:12. > :13:15.have for him. But he is the Deputy First Minister... I don't care what
:13:16. > :13:19.he is. He has a huge mandate... I don't care what mandate he has got.
:13:20. > :13:25.I'm preaching God's word and I believe God's word with all my heart
:13:26. > :13:29.and I'm saying it within my own church, within my own confines, I'm
:13:30. > :13:34.not going outside. I'm doing it. I built this church, I've worked in
:13:35. > :13:40.this church, I've worked in this church for 60 years and I love the
:13:41. > :13:46.Lord Gentlemen. That means not playing any role whatsoever in any
:13:47. > :13:49.Muslim in Northern Ireland feeling isolated, feeling that they are
:13:50. > :13:56.frightened... There is no way... Feeling that they have got a label
:13:57. > :14:01.on them, untrust worthy. Come on. Come on yourself. I know the
:14:02. > :14:04.Muslims, I'm not fooled by them. I ha dealt with Christians that have
:14:05. > :14:09.been persecuted by Muslims. I dealt with them. I heard their story. I
:14:10. > :14:15.don't trust them. Is this hatred in you? No, I hate nobody. There is not
:14:16. > :14:23.an ounce of hatred in my body. Are you sure? Positive. You don't trust
:14:24. > :14:28.them. I have seen them. You don't trust them. That's pure hatred, sir?
:14:29. > :14:32.It is not pure hatred at all. Just because I'm strong in my
:14:33. > :14:41.disagreement. Come on Stephen... Can you be trusted? You can. How can I
:14:42. > :14:47.trust you? You are a Christian. You are all the same. You are all
:14:48. > :14:51.untrustworthy? You all follow the Bible, every single word of it,
:14:52. > :14:54.every single one of you, put a stamp on you, you can't be trusted. What
:14:55. > :15:00.would happen there? You're not winning. You're not winning,
:15:01. > :15:04.Stephen. That would be a disgraceful comment. You're not winning this
:15:05. > :15:10.argument. You're not winning it at all. There are 3,000 Muslims in
:15:11. > :15:17.Northern Ireland, OK? Do you seriously think that minority group
:15:18. > :15:22.can have any influence whatsoever on that woman being hanged? Well, they
:15:23. > :15:32.could protest, couldn't they? And I could protest with them. And you
:15:33. > :15:37.could protest, couldn't you? Do you not think that what your comments
:15:38. > :15:42.will do is make it more likely that that woman will be hanged because
:15:43. > :15:44.actually... No. You're inflaming a situation. How do you think your
:15:45. > :15:48.comments, if they did reach Sudan would go down? How do you think if
:15:49. > :15:55.you were to become a martyr, maybe that's what you want to do and go to
:15:56. > :16:00.Suda do you think it would stop something being hanged? The hanger
:16:01. > :16:06.will justify all that I have said. You are being investigated now by
:16:07. > :16:13.the police. Soy hear. -- so I hear. Are you concerned? No. Why? Because
:16:14. > :16:23.I know what I've said is right and if they throw me in prison, they
:16:24. > :16:26.throw me in prison. I will go to prison if they throw me in prison.
:16:27. > :16:30.Deputy First Minister also said this, it is essential there is a
:16:31. > :16:36.full and thorough investigation of these comments and their potential
:16:37. > :16:42.to generate further racist attacks. I said that in the confines of my
:16:43. > :16:47.congregation. It is published online. I know it is online now. I
:16:48. > :16:53.said it in the confines, no harm to Martin McGuinness, I don't accept
:16:54. > :16:58.anything that he says. Him and Gerry Adams, the whole lot of them. I
:16:59. > :17:05.don't accept anything... Why not? Because of their past. Forgiveness,
:17:06. > :17:10.part of Chrissaniate? It is. The ability to repent? That's right. I
:17:11. > :17:25.just want to conclude this interview by asking you this - do you have any
:17:26. > :17:28.sense of responsibility in yourself that people can be stirred up in
:17:29. > :17:34.Northern Ireland... Yeah, I know that. And people can be influenced?
:17:35. > :17:42.Yeah, I know that. Is there no need for you to reflect on yourself when
:17:43. > :17:49.you have said you will stand by it. That actually, you are a man that
:17:50. > :17:52.needs to change your tone very, very quickly because you have got the
:17:53. > :17:57.splendour of this church around you. You have got the support of the
:17:58. > :18:07.thousands of people that come here. You are a man of influence. Islam is
:18:08. > :18:11.heathan, Islam is devil. To say it positively and because I believe it,
:18:12. > :18:14.I am not against these people. I don't want to hurt these people. I
:18:15. > :18:25.have no notion of hurting these people, but I know what Muslims do.
:18:26. > :18:28.There is a lot of reaction to that interview. We have got a packed show
:18:29. > :18:32.tonight so we are going to move on, but here is what we can do because
:18:33. > :18:38.we have the different platforms that the BBC give us on the Nolan Show,
:18:39. > :18:41.we will talk about this on Twitter. When I come off air, I will be
:18:42. > :18:48.engaging with you on Twitter about that issue and on BBC Radio Ulster
:18:49. > :18:52.on the Nolan Show tomorrow morning at 9am. We will be talking about
:18:53. > :18:56.that big time. Lots and lots of reaction we can expect to that.
:18:57. > :19:04.There is the Twitter address right now.
:19:05. > :19:10.A split is bad news in any political party, but when you've only two MLAs
:19:11. > :19:13.and they fall out, it's not good. NI21 is Northern Ireland's newest
:19:14. > :19:16.party. Its deputy leader John McCallister has branded it "crazy"
:19:17. > :19:22.and "dysfunctional". The party's leader and other MLA Basil McCrea
:19:23. > :19:28.joins me now. A disaster, your party is crazy and dysfunctional and you
:19:29. > :19:32.can hardly blame your best friend, party colleague and man who set-up
:19:33. > :19:39.the party with you. Just how crazy and dysfunctional is it? Well, we're
:19:40. > :19:45.less than a year old. We've got 47 councillors, potential councillors
:19:46. > :19:50.running. None of them have been involved in politics in the past. We
:19:51. > :19:53.have the best poster campaign, the best leaflet campaign, the best
:19:54. > :19:56.social media, the best political broadcast... There is nobody talk
:19:57. > :20:02.being the election campaign tonight and it doesn't matter what you want
:20:03. > :20:06.to talk about, the story about NI21 is that there is a massive fall out,
:20:07. > :20:11.you are dead in the water, aren't you? How can you survive? Your
:20:12. > :20:15.deputy leader and your close friend saying it is all crazy and
:20:16. > :20:21.dysfunctional? Well, first of all, the party is bigger than either John
:20:22. > :20:25.or I. It is a movement. It is for something new. It is to try and put
:20:26. > :20:32.the past behind us and move forward. When it comes to Stormont, the party
:20:33. > :20:36.is you and John? Yes, but that's not where it will be in the future. Who
:20:37. > :20:39.is going, you or John? Well, there is a change coming in Northern
:20:40. > :20:44.Ireland about where people want to move to. And I think they're looking
:20:45. > :20:47.for an alternative. Now, my message is simple to people. Do you see if
:20:48. > :20:52.you are happy with the way things are going, carry on voting f whoever
:20:53. > :20:55.you are voting for. We came across to do something new and different.
:20:56. > :20:59.There is not a new party, there is not a n movement, there is not
:21:00. > :21:03.something that doesn't have teething problems and difficulty. Teething
:21:04. > :21:08.problems? Yes, indeed. A teething problem? It is. It is a 50% split in
:21:09. > :21:13.your Assembly party? There is clearly a serious problem which if I
:21:14. > :21:18.am being honest, I'm not sure why it developed or what the root cause of
:21:19. > :21:22.it. It came as a surprise? It did come as a surprise. When did you
:21:23. > :21:26.know? Well, whenever there was a headline in the Newsletter and
:21:27. > :21:31.that's when it came about. John didn't let you know he was annoyed?
:21:32. > :21:36.John was annoyed and it is something I will have to have a chat with him
:21:37. > :21:41.about. I don't know if the situation is recoverable or not, the way
:21:42. > :21:45.people deal with things is as mature individuals to say let's see if we
:21:46. > :21:49.can resolve things. Do you think he is immature? No, he is clearly upset
:21:50. > :21:53.over things and it may have been over a longer period of time. I'm
:21:54. > :21:57.not sure. Maybe you ambushed him. What are you doing changing the
:21:58. > :22:01.designation of your party is such short notice? Maybe he felt
:22:02. > :22:07.ambushed? Well, it wasn't short notice. By his key friend and ally?
:22:08. > :22:10.Stephen, let's deal with this seriously, it was not short notice.
:22:11. > :22:15.We said at the start of the party, the party launch a year ago that
:22:16. > :22:19.although we would des igignate unionist, it was because we wanted
:22:20. > :22:24.to be clear on our constitutional position. The media kept referring
:22:25. > :22:30.to us as a Unionist party. We said at that time... Is that not how you
:22:31. > :22:34.set yourselves up? No, we set ourselves up as a Northern Ireland
:22:35. > :22:37.party that was happy to be part of the United Kingdom. That's what it
:22:38. > :22:41.said in our political broadcast. That's what it said in all of our
:22:42. > :22:46.speeches and just four weeks ago, whenever we were launching the Local
:22:47. > :22:49.Government campaign, I made it quite clear that where we were moving. Let
:22:50. > :22:54.me finish that point though of the there is a point where people are
:22:55. > :23:00.asking us on the doorstep, they are saying if you are trying to be a new
:23:01. > :23:06.political party, how can you be... ? You know why. You set yourselves up
:23:07. > :23:10.as a double act. You very much branded NI21 as John and I and this
:23:11. > :23:15.is what we're doing together. A joint team. Is John McCallister
:23:16. > :23:21.still a friend of yours? John and I have to have a chat because we were
:23:22. > :23:26.unhappy, I was unhappy about certain things that happened. The... You had
:23:27. > :23:31.all day to have a chat. Are you not talking? I phoned him... How many
:23:32. > :23:36.times? I phoned him a couple of times. How many times has he
:23:37. > :23:41.answered? Well, he has not answered yet. You guys are laughing. I'm, you
:23:42. > :23:46.know, they were really, really good friends and I'm not sure if this is
:23:47. > :23:54.a laughing matter. It must be hurting very deeply? I'm sad about
:23:55. > :23:59.the situation. I'm not quite sure why the situation developed. I'm not
:24:00. > :24:04.jumping to any conclusions on it. I have no doubt that it was a series
:24:05. > :24:08.of events. One of the things people don't understand, you start off in
:24:09. > :24:12.politics full of good ideas and you want to help Northern Ireland and
:24:13. > :24:15.then what happens is other people take an interest in what you are
:24:16. > :24:19.doing and we've talked about this before, the more successful you are,
:24:20. > :24:24.the more you attract unwelcome attention from other opponents and
:24:25. > :24:29.who knows what they are doing or how it is working. This is you and John
:24:30. > :24:32.being opponents, this is you and John clearly fighting. The leader
:24:33. > :24:40.and deputy leader not talking on the eve of an election? We could have
:24:41. > :24:44.been about husband and wife or other partners, things happen. There is a
:24:45. > :24:49.situation. We do have to try and resolve it... Is he your friend?
:24:50. > :24:55.Well, he is still a friend, but there is a strain in the
:24:56. > :25:00.relationship. Now... Do you still trust him? I have always trusted
:25:01. > :25:03.John. Do you trust him tonight? I trust John. Despite the fact it has
:25:04. > :25:06.been very difficult, I don't understand why things happened. I
:25:07. > :25:11.regret the fact that we haven't had an opportunity to talk about things.
:25:12. > :25:16.But I'm quite sure there is a set of circumstances which may or may not
:25:17. > :25:20.be to do with what his particular things. If he is watching tonight,
:25:21. > :25:26.what do you say to him? Well, I don't know that he will be watching,
:25:27. > :25:29.but the issue is I've said repeatedly to other people within
:25:30. > :25:32.the party, we have had a really interesting and shall we say
:25:33. > :25:37.exciting learning experience. When the election is over, when it is
:25:38. > :25:42.finished, we need to regroup and see what we can learn. Maybe you owe him
:25:43. > :25:48.an apology? For what? For bouncing him on the designation Chance? You
:25:49. > :25:51.wouldn't let me finish that point. I said we had set out our stall in the
:25:52. > :25:55.speeches beforehand. It was trailed. The media were there. It was part of
:25:56. > :25:59.the candidate pack. John didn't understand that, he missed the memo,
:26:00. > :26:04.did he? He may have got to the stage of saying, do you know what, I think
:26:05. > :26:08.this is at the wrong time or the wrong place. We need to be straight
:26:09. > :26:11.with each other. Here is the score. Is there anything else happening in
:26:12. > :26:19.your party? Is this all this is about or is something else happening
:26:20. > :26:22.inside NI21? We have a lot of learning exercises to go through.
:26:23. > :26:26.There is a lot of candidates that had to go and learn how to put on
:26:27. > :26:31.stickers and how to go and do... This is not about stickers. Is there
:26:32. > :26:37.something fundmedal happening within your -- fundmedal happening within
:26:38. > :26:42.your party that you are aware of and others are aware of and it is not
:26:43. > :26:46.out yet. It seems very strange that here we have this big split all of a
:26:47. > :26:52.sudden? Well, it is certainly interesting the timing that things
:26:53. > :26:56.have happened. I can't deny that. But that, that suggests that
:26:57. > :27:00.somebody else is instigating action or doing things. I don't know why
:27:01. > :27:04.things happen at the time scale that we were doing. Three days ago, we
:27:05. > :27:10.were on the crest of a wave, we were doing really well, really making an
:27:11. > :27:14.impact with the people. Good feedback and then bang, we have an
:27:15. > :27:17.issue. Now that happens. I don't know why that issue happened. I
:27:18. > :27:22.don't know what's at the bottom of it. I do know that the message that
:27:23. > :27:25.we're putting out is right and the party will go on. Is John
:27:26. > :27:28.McCallister still your deputy leader? Yes. You are still the
:27:29. > :27:33.leader of the party. You have the power to sack him. Are you
:27:34. > :27:39.contemplating sacking him? No. So it is OK to call the party he is
:27:40. > :27:44.working with crazy. What type of leader are you? It is a situation
:27:45. > :27:47.that any leader would do is to try and understand why a set of
:27:48. > :27:53.circumstances developed. Are you sure? Absolutely. Are you sure a
:27:54. > :27:59.strong leader wouldn't say, "You are gone. Don't dare call our party
:28:00. > :28:03.dysfunctional." How can you have a deputy leader calling your party
:28:04. > :28:09.dysfunctional? You build up a store of trust and understanding and when
:28:10. > :28:12.things go wrong, you say, "I need to go and find out why that happened."
:28:13. > :28:16.Now, there is an explanation that's due. There are things that we have
:28:17. > :28:21.to go and sort out. I suspect there is dirty tricks being played with
:28:22. > :28:25.people. Really? Absolutely. That's what happens in politics. They say
:28:26. > :28:29.this phrase about politics is a dirty game and you go, yeah, but not
:28:30. > :28:33.really and then you discover and you will had this yourself, if you are
:28:34. > :28:37.in the public eye, people come along and they say things to people or
:28:38. > :28:42.they say things to other people and try and put a wedge between you.
:28:43. > :28:45.They try and make mown tonnes out of molehills. These are things that may
:28:46. > :28:49.boil over. It happens all the time. That's part of the learning exercise
:28:50. > :28:53.and I fully expect Stephen that there will be more of it, but that
:28:54. > :28:57.will not change me for saying that Northern Ireland needs a different
:28:58. > :29:03.type of politics and NI21 will be part that future. Finally. Finally.
:29:04. > :29:09.John McCallister still enjoys your support, your trust, your respect,
:29:10. > :29:12.and that will continue, will it? It will continue, but I will want to go
:29:13. > :29:14.and have a conversation with him. Now what the outcome that
:29:15. > :29:19.conversation is, depends very much on what he says. OK. But there is an
:29:20. > :29:24.issue about moving forward that both of us did for the very right
:29:25. > :29:27.reasons. Things that, I think, Northern Ireland should be proud of
:29:28. > :29:29.and all of the 47 candidates I have and the European candidate, deserves
:29:30. > :29:36.support. OK. Basil McCrea thank you very much
:29:37. > :29:39.for coming in. Give Basil a round of applause.
:29:40. > :29:46.APPLAUSE If you want to react to any of that
:29:47. > :29:48.or anything else, here is how you can get in touch. There is the
:29:49. > :30:12.number on your screen: Still to come on the programme: Pm
:30:13. > :30:16.Simon Andrews is the fourth rider to die in 10 years while competing in
:30:17. > :30:19.the North West 200 road race. Is it time for a ban?
:30:20. > :30:23.My next guest is making country cool. A singer/songwriter, he has
:30:24. > :30:29.released four albums and is packing out venues across the UK and
:30:30. > :30:32.Ireland. Singing Avicii's Wake Me Up with a country twist. Ladies and
:30:33. > :30:36.gentlemen please welcome, Derek Ryan.
:30:37. > :30:56.# Feeling my way through the darkness.
:30:57. > :31:00.# Guided by a beating heart. # I can't tell where this journey
:31:01. > :31:07.will end. # But I know where to start.
:31:08. > :31:12.# They tell me I'm too young to understand.
:31:13. > :31:17.# They say I'm caught up in a dream. # Well life will pass me by if I
:31:18. > :31:24.don't open up my eyes. # Well that's fine by me.
:31:25. > :31:30.# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.
:31:31. > :31:40.# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.
:31:41. > :31:47.# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.
:31:48. > :32:10.# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.
:32:11. > :32:18.# I tried carrying the weight of the world.
:32:19. > :32:22.# But I only have two hands. # Hope I get the chance to travel
:32:23. > :32:32.the world. # But I don't have any plans.
:32:33. > :32:40.# I wish that I could stay forever this young.
:32:41. > :32:42.# Not afraid to close my eyes. # But life's a game made for
:32:43. > :32:46.everyone. # And love is a prize.
:32:47. > :32:53.# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.
:32:54. > :33:03.# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.
:33:04. > :33:09.# So wake me up when it's all over. # When I'm wiser and I'm older.
:33:10. > :33:20.# All this time I was finding myself and I didn't know I was lost.
:33:21. > :33:47.# No, I didn't know I was lost. # I didn't know I was lost.
:33:48. > :33:51.# yeah, yeah, yeah.
:33:52. > :34:08.# All right. # Thank you. Thank you.
:34:09. > :34:13.My next guest became a mum for the first time at age 18. She became a
:34:14. > :34:19.mum for the second time 32 years later at age 50. Best known for her
:34:20. > :34:22.portrayal of the loud-mouthed Mimi Maguire in Shameless, her own life
:34:23. > :34:25.has been even more of a rollercoaster than her famous
:34:26. > :34:27.character. She has fought battles with alcohol, food, money problems
:34:28. > :34:36.and depression. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome, Tina Malone.
:34:37. > :34:42.APPLAUSE Hello there. Good to see you. Good
:34:43. > :34:45.to see you. APPLAUSE
:34:46. > :34:52.Well, that's a whole littany of problems in a life story and look at
:34:53. > :35:00.the big smile on your face? I know, I'm blissfully happy and I have got
:35:01. > :35:03.a 22 week old daughter and I'm 51. APPLAUSE
:35:04. > :35:07.Shall we talk about that? Because aged 50, you caused quite a lot of
:35:08. > :35:12.controversy and at the end of the day, it is your life, so I'm sure
:35:13. > :35:18.you don't care, but you decided you wanted to be a mum? I think, there
:35:19. > :35:24.has been lots of talks in the press about my reasons for wanting to
:35:25. > :35:30.become pregnant. My husband is 18 years younger than me, aren't I
:35:31. > :35:35.lucky and gorgeous? The total thing that he is a beautiful bodybuilder
:35:36. > :35:43.and I struggled with my weight. We decided to go for IVF, I lost stones
:35:44. > :35:48.and 4lbs and I packed the fags in and I got myself to a place where
:35:49. > :35:52.two surgeons said I was fit to go for it. A lot of people would say,
:35:53. > :36:00.you might be physically fit, but you are too old? I had a bit afdebate
:36:01. > :36:04.with -- of a debate on Loose Women because someone said women of 50
:36:05. > :36:12.should be grandmas and jumping up and down on a trampoline. I defy
:36:13. > :36:18.anyone who is as old as I am to fall out of a nightclub. I'm sober and I
:36:19. > :36:24.can talk a glass eye to sleep. If I wasn't up with the baby, I would be
:36:25. > :36:33.up at 3am or 4am, cooking a lemon drizzle cake and watching re-runs of
:36:34. > :36:36.the Sew Sopranos. I said this to you when I spoke to you on the radio at
:36:37. > :36:43.length, we couldn't shut up, could he? This was on Five Live, I
:36:44. > :36:48.couldn't shut her up, I was very, very quiet. To be honest with you, I
:36:49. > :36:53.would another one tomorrow. I have got a beautiful 32-year-old
:36:54. > :37:03.successful actress daughter and now a baby. So when your child is 15,
:37:04. > :37:08.you are going to be 65? Yes. My mother is 75 and she has got...
:37:09. > :37:17.You're not going to play football in the park at that age, are you? Why
:37:18. > :37:25.not? Because... When was there a tablet that said that life stops. I
:37:26. > :37:31.am fitter now than I was 20 years ago. I was fat and I was drinking
:37:32. > :37:35.and I was an angry defensive alcoholic fat bird and now I am
:37:36. > :37:43.great in the bedroom, great in the living room, great even better in
:37:44. > :37:46.the kitchen and I am he' a good mother and as long as I nurture, and
:37:47. > :37:53.educate and love my child. Why should I not be allowed to have one?
:37:54. > :37:56.Bill, maybe we can get the mic down here, there was a rather strange
:37:57. > :38:01.reaction there, ladies and gentlemen, that you might not have
:38:02. > :38:04.seen from a young man in this audience. Yeah, you just in the
:38:05. > :38:11.second row here. This lady said she was great in the bedroom, you seemed
:38:12. > :38:16.to punch the air. Man at work is all I will say. Listen, once you are
:38:17. > :38:21.older as a woman, well we get better with age in every way and listen, I
:38:22. > :38:25.rejoice and embrace young, beautiful women and you know, fair play to
:38:26. > :38:30.them. I was never a young beautiful woman. I was an ugly fat one. I'm
:38:31. > :38:36.better at the older, I am, and better in every way. When you are
:38:37. > :38:45.15, who didn't want a 65-year-old with the wisdom of a beautiful 65?
:38:46. > :38:49.-year-old telling them what to do at 15? People say when they meet my
:38:50. > :38:55.husband, don't you wish you had of met him at 25? No, he would have
:38:56. > :39:00.been six. It wouldn't have worked! It seriously wouldn't have worked. I
:39:01. > :39:05.don't compete, my house is beautiful to look at. He is not as academic as
:39:06. > :39:08.I am, but he served ten years, he was in Northern Ireland, Iraq,
:39:09. > :39:11.Afghanistan in the aErl. He is a photographer -- Army and he is a
:39:12. > :39:14.photographer and he is in the gym every day. I don't keep up with him.
:39:15. > :39:21.He keeps up with me. Talking about the gym and all that stuff. You
:39:22. > :39:25.mentioned you lost how much weight? 11 stone 4lbs. Every other audience
:39:26. > :39:32.would probably give awe huge round of applause for that I have to say.
:39:33. > :39:35.would probably give awe huge round That's amazing. That's incredible. I
:39:36. > :39:40.20 and went to a size 10. I went from a size 28, it got that way
:39:41. > :39:45.Stephen that I thought, my husband is going to need a JCB to throw me
:39:46. > :39:52.around the bedroom or they are going to have to get a tractor and big
:39:53. > :39:58.lads to get me on set. I was a size 28 and I went down to a size eight
:39:59. > :40:02.and I will be honest, hold my hands up and I have a gastric band and I
:40:03. > :40:15.still have it. Do you want to feel? Have a feel at me gastric band. What
:40:16. > :40:22.bit are you feeling? That bit there. Ah boke. It is my best friend
:40:23. > :40:28.Colette. And it is wrapped around your stomach? Yes and you have it
:40:29. > :40:32.tightened or loosened. I have mine as tight as possible. Before you got
:40:33. > :40:36.that, you were diagnosed with diabetes so you were in trouble? I
:40:37. > :40:40.was ill with the drinking so I gave up the drinking. My choice of drug
:40:41. > :40:45.and you know, it is well documented in my book that call out a couple of
:40:46. > :40:51.months ago, you know, I have dabbled with drugs and drink was my choice
:40:52. > :41:05.of drug if it was a line of coke or a spliff or a drink. And I'm 15
:41:06. > :41:13.years asober. -- sober. Pregnant at 17, pregnant at 50, my mother says
:41:14. > :41:21.you don't do anything by halves: I'm by polar and I have an obsessive
:41:22. > :41:27.compulsive personality as well as disorder. Illnesses, the diabetes,
:41:28. > :41:36.for example, when you lose 11 stone, what does it do? Eradicated the
:41:37. > :41:42.diabetes. It is irreversible? Diabetes two. You will always be
:41:43. > :41:47.predisposed to it. I will be honest with you, I eat spinach and sea bass
:41:48. > :41:51.and broccoli, but I eat a bit of chocolate every day. I can't have
:41:52. > :41:55.six bars now, I have six bites. It is as simple as that otherwise I
:41:56. > :41:59.would be in traction, I have moo band really -- my band really tight.
:42:00. > :42:06.I didn't lose the weight to keep a younger man, I lost the weight
:42:07. > :42:09.because I felt ill physically. I was clinically and more bidly obese and
:42:10. > :42:13.I looked in the mirror and I felt like a big ugly pig. I couldn't bear
:42:14. > :42:18.to watch anything I did on television. I lost the weight for me
:42:19. > :42:24.and my health, not for a man. I never had problems getting men. I
:42:25. > :42:30.did say this to you, you use the phrase about yourself, big, fat,
:42:31. > :42:34.ugly pig. It is terrible to think about yourself like that. It is
:42:35. > :42:39.terrible to describe yourself like that? Stephen... I know it is
:42:40. > :42:45.cliche, but I'm never confident about my appearance, I'm genuinely
:42:46. > :42:48.not, but you try to convince yourself that I am a descent person
:42:49. > :42:54.on the inside and I just, I detest it when I hear fat people describing
:42:55. > :42:58.themselves like that. You are not clinically or more bidly obese
:42:59. > :43:03.though. I was the size of three big men. You should have seen me a few
:43:04. > :43:07.weeks ago. I wasn't two or three stone overweight, I was like twice
:43:08. > :43:14.my body size and the thing is, it is like... You called yourself a pig.
:43:15. > :43:21.When I went into acting, the majority of women earning a lot of
:43:22. > :43:26.money were Jo Brand and I thought all the fat women are making the
:43:27. > :43:29.money. So I ate more pasties. You don't believe that what's on the
:43:30. > :43:35.inside is more important? Of course, it is. My husband fell in love me
:43:36. > :43:41.when I was... I'm talk being how I felt not how somebody else saw me.
:43:42. > :43:45.But that's the point. Don't call yourself, yourself... But I was
:43:46. > :43:50.ugly. It is not about somebody in the street. It is interesting. A lot
:43:51. > :43:56.of people, you know, I always say the skinny prettier birds are
:43:57. > :44:06.usually the most messed up, but they are. You look at the beautiful ones,
:44:07. > :44:11.Victoria Beckham and Cheryl Cole, I wasn't smacked with the ugly stick,
:44:12. > :44:16.they validate themselves a lot of women in my industry by being thin.
:44:17. > :44:20.I didn't get thin so that it would open me up to Downton Abbey or
:44:21. > :44:24.certain magazines. I lost the weight, my husband loved me like he
:44:25. > :44:32.loves me now with the skin I've still got. He loved me bigger. He
:44:33. > :44:36.loved me better. He doesn't love me anymore. It is easier to pick me up
:44:37. > :44:42.and throw me around the bedroom. Don't start that again! I'm really,
:44:43. > :44:46.really sorry that clearly we haven't been able to squeeze a word out of
:44:47. > :44:50.you tonight. You are a lovely person. You know that we kind of
:44:51. > :44:56.clicked when you were on the radio show. Yeah, sab solutely. --
:44:57. > :45:02.absolutely. There is so much more to talk about you because you have
:45:03. > :45:10.battled by polar and depression and you were made bankrupt and your
:45:11. > :45:17.story is that you fight back every time. You stand up and you fight. My
:45:18. > :45:24.father was Patrick Thomas Malone. We really are Irish on both sides. I
:45:25. > :45:28.think you have to battle. Depression is a terrible thing. Most people
:45:29. > :45:32.suffer it. A lot of people suffer it and don't ever say of the it is a
:45:33. > :45:35.terrible thing. Listen, you say you are genuinely Irish and you are
:45:36. > :45:38.genuinely welcome in Northern Ireland tonight. Thank you very much
:45:39. > :45:43.for coming. Ladies and gentlemen, Tina Malone.
:45:44. > :45:48.APPLAUSE Zmrfrnlts Thank you for having me.
:45:49. > :45:58.APPLAUSE Let's get a reminder of how you at
:45:59. > :46:04.home can get in touch with the show: I can't stand reading all this out.
:46:05. > :46:12.You know how much it will cost. If you want to tweet us, it is at:
:46:13. > :46:15.All right, let's move on tonight. The dangers of the North West 200
:46:16. > :46:19.were sadly brought home once again this week. 31-year-old Simon Andrews
:46:20. > :46:27.died on Monday after crashing in a weekend race. Another rider was
:46:28. > :46:30.critically injured during a practice session. He's continuing his
:46:31. > :46:34.recovery in his native France. The North West is known for speed. In
:46:35. > :46:45.2012, a record of 208mph was set. But is it time for a re-think? Let's
:46:46. > :46:49.take a look at just some of the more dramatic moments on this year's
:46:50. > :47:23.course. They touch. They're both off. They're both off. They touch.
:47:24. > :47:29.Well joining me to discuss this racing commentator Steve Parrish and
:47:30. > :47:33.road racer Jeremy McWilliams. What do you think about a fundamental
:47:34. > :47:38.re-think given the dangers there are associated with this? I don't think
:47:39. > :47:43.there needs to be any re-think. There is a lot of people who enjoy
:47:44. > :47:50.doing it. There is a lot of people doing it. They do it at their own
:47:51. > :47:53.choice. When I started doing it, the Grand Prix took place on road
:47:54. > :48:00.circuits like the TT and like the racing in the Czech Republic, it was
:48:01. > :48:05.decided back in the late 70s that people should chose whether to do it
:48:06. > :48:08.or not. Even if if it is costing lives and even if the element of
:48:09. > :48:12.risk is one of the most attractive and most exciting facets to the
:48:13. > :48:17.people that take part, do we not have a bigger responsibility than
:48:18. > :48:22.that? Not if those people want to do it. What do you do for fun? What
:48:23. > :48:28.gives you excitement. Eat. I feel sorry for you. These guys, I had a
:48:29. > :48:31.huge amount of exhilaration and I enjoyed everything I was doing. I
:48:32. > :48:38.couldn't imagine not racing of that was my life. I enjoyed doing it. I
:48:39. > :48:44.see so many people taking drink, they take drugs, these guys are
:48:45. > :48:48.loving what they are doing. Bill? I think that motorcycle racing is a
:48:49. > :48:54.kind of collective madness, I really do. I think that that it is bad that
:48:55. > :48:58.you can equate and people use the tourism argument, the shops did
:48:59. > :49:04.well, the bed and breakfasts did well, the country did well, how can
:49:05. > :49:09.you equate people's lives with a few shillings profit? I think it is
:49:10. > :49:17.wrong. Bike racing, road racing is on its way out. There are three or
:49:18. > :49:22.four big races left in the world, where? People get killed regularly.
:49:23. > :49:30.Do you want people riding on the roads then? No, I don't. I think the
:49:31. > :49:37.solution is track racing like Philip Island in Australia. People still
:49:38. > :49:40.die there. Wait, they don't die as often and they don't die as nastily
:49:41. > :49:44.because of the run-offs and the way the thing is structured because of
:49:45. > :49:49.the bends and the space, it becomes a great spectacle. It is road racing
:49:50. > :49:54.that is killing people all over the world and here. So you have got to
:49:55. > :50:02.stop skydiving and horse riding and rugby. Jeremy, you are nodding your
:50:03. > :50:05.head, but if there was a boxing competition every single year in
:50:06. > :50:09.Portrush here in Northern Ireland and if people died most years in
:50:10. > :50:13.that boxing contest, it would be banned. It would be stopped. The
:50:14. > :50:16.councillors would be up in arms? It would be professionals taking part
:50:17. > :50:21.in what they do professionally. Bill, it is their business. I have
:50:22. > :50:27.been involved in racing all my life, 30 years now. 've raced on circuits
:50:28. > :50:30.and then I came to the roads. I have seen the evolution of safety
:50:31. > :50:34.measures through from racing when I started which weren't that great as
:50:35. > :50:39.Stephen mentioned earlier on right through to how the North West 200
:50:40. > :50:46.committee made it much more safe to race on the roads. Well, not safe
:50:47. > :50:51.enough. I was vocal early on about not doing it because... You called
:50:52. > :50:54.for a ban after the Dunlop brothers didn't you? The reason I'm here is
:50:55. > :50:59.because at that stage, I didn't know anything about it of the I hadn't
:51:00. > :51:03.raced on the roads. I didn't know anything about it until I saw what
:51:04. > :51:07.measures they have put in place. They have got better over the years.
:51:08. > :51:12.They haven't got enough funding to make it safe enough. There are
:51:13. > :51:19.events at the moment in Northern Ireland that are getting well
:51:20. > :51:22.funded. The Giro d'Italia ?5 million. What a damning comment you
:51:23. > :51:33.have said. They don't have enough fund to go make it safe. If it is
:51:34. > :51:39.not safe. With more funding, they would make it safer? No. It is
:51:40. > :51:46.almost like going back to the days of the Romans and the amphitheatre
:51:47. > :51:49.and people go to see a few bikes and smell petrol and look for the
:51:50. > :51:53.accident. That's what makes it memorable, the memorable accident
:51:54. > :51:56.and the ones they talk about is ones where people died. That's what
:51:57. > :51:59.happens in the crowds. They go to watch the excitement. Some people
:52:00. > :52:04.don't have much excitement in their life and they go to watch it.
:52:05. > :52:09.Excitement is a risk. When you say they go to see the excitement, the
:52:10. > :52:17.excitement is the risk. They go to see the talent, the ability and the
:52:18. > :52:25.skill and... And the possibility And the possibility of dying out there.
:52:26. > :52:30.I am suggesting that part of the spectacle is road racers coming off
:52:31. > :52:35.their bikes? No. It is a tragedy when that happens and there has been
:52:36. > :52:40.one million people who contacted the North West 200 website to send their
:52:41. > :52:45.condolence. It was a freak didn't. It wasn't like he fell off going
:52:46. > :52:49.around a corner. Something went wrong and he crashed o the straight.
:52:50. > :52:55.I pass on the condolences to the family. I have been involved in a
:52:56. > :52:59.number of events in port mush, the -- Portrush with the voluntary
:53:00. > :53:03.Ambulance Service and Coleraine Borough Council have to be
:53:04. > :53:07.congratulated for the big events that they are bringing tourists to
:53:08. > :53:12.Northern Ireland and tourists to them towns. At what cost? Every
:53:13. > :53:15.event that we have in any town throughout Northern Ireland has
:53:16. > :53:18.risk. People enjoy being on their bikes. They enjoy biking on the
:53:19. > :53:23.road. This is a safer environment for people to come together,
:53:24. > :53:28.celebrate a hobby they enjoy in a safer environment. There is a
:53:29. > :53:35.medical team on stand-by for such incidents. Sadly on this occasion,
:53:36. > :53:43.it wasn't successful, but we need to con gratulate that council. Beside
:53:44. > :53:49.you. Go ahead. I'm clerk of the course the week before the North
:53:50. > :53:54.West 200. There was nearly 40 newcomers at the Tandragee. The
:53:55. > :53:58.crowds are getting better and first of all, the North West 200 is only
:53:59. > :54:05.part of the motorcycle union of Ireland that runs this throughout
:54:06. > :54:12.Ireland. What's the attraction? It's the ultimate buzz. I have been o a
:54:13. > :54:17.motorbike racer. I have been a clerk of the course where I have had had
:54:18. > :54:19.to deal with a fatality. Drug addicts talk about the ultimate
:54:20. > :54:23.buzz. They talk about the same type of thing, don't they? As a society
:54:24. > :54:28.we say too much risk. Yes, it might be your own body, but too much risk.
:54:29. > :54:33.Therefore, we don't allow people legally to become drug addicts, do
:54:34. > :54:38.we? That's about buzz and adrenalin and a fix and risk. More and more
:54:39. > :54:44.safety is coming into the sport. You have got health and safety in the
:54:45. > :54:48.workforce. We're working with the councils and we could rp out hedges
:54:49. > :54:53.and get two diggers to clear out the whole thing and shift lamp posts
:54:54. > :54:56.into fields, but we have circuits here like this gentleman said. We
:54:57. > :55:02.have circuits here and they are not supported. We have four circuits
:55:03. > :55:07.here. In England they drive 50 or 70 mile to each circuit, we have
:55:08. > :55:12.circuits 20 miles apart and nobody goes to watch it. They drive to see
:55:13. > :55:18.the road racing and they only get once a year.
:55:19. > :55:23.Let me speak to Michael Larkin, you lost your brother, Stephen? Yes.
:55:24. > :55:32.What happened? He had an accident at a road race and it was an accident.
:55:33. > :55:36.He loved racing and I was standing in the grid the next day and if my
:55:37. > :55:39.bike was there, I would have been racing. I love the racing. The
:55:40. > :55:49.safety is unbelievable. Everything is put in place for us. I wouldn't
:55:50. > :55:53.ride a road bike on the public road. My brother had an accident. He could
:55:54. > :55:57.have went out on a road bike and hit a car and had an accident. It was an
:55:58. > :56:02.accident. Public roads aren't safe. Road racing is safe. You can ban
:56:03. > :56:07.every sport if you want to. You can ban sailing. There is mower
:56:08. > :56:13.yachtsmen lost in the Atlantic. Who are you to tell the likes of Michael
:56:14. > :56:18.what not to do and what his brother should have done and what he
:56:19. > :56:23.shouldn't have done? I wouldn't dare tell that to you. That's what you
:56:24. > :56:27.are telling me. The one that you love should be banned. It is a
:56:28. > :56:32.collective madness. What you should be doing is push to go create in the
:56:33. > :56:38.North West 200 of Northern Ireland where the infrastructure is there
:56:39. > :56:44.and the hotels and the catering, you could create a world-class
:56:45. > :56:48.motorcycle racetrack there. And it could become, world champions could
:56:49. > :56:53.come there. I don't want to ride around a circuit, I want to ride on
:56:54. > :56:56.the road. That's dangerous. It is not dangerous of the it is safe. I
:56:57. > :56:59.do it in a safe and controlled environment. It is not a safe and
:57:00. > :57:05.controlled environment. I go as fast as I can go. It is not a totally
:57:06. > :57:09.controlled environment. I'm in control of the bike. I go as fast as
:57:10. > :57:14.I want to go. You are in control and everything is set in place to keep
:57:15. > :57:22.you safe. The guy with the beard. Have you ever rode a motorcycle? Say
:57:23. > :57:27.it again out loud. Have you ever rode a motorcycle? I haven't. How
:57:28. > :57:30.can you tell the majority of people that have and they are for this
:57:31. > :57:34.debate. There is a lot of people getting wound up for people like
:57:35. > :57:38.yourself that never rode a motorcycle saying this should be
:57:39. > :57:43.banned. Go and try it. I don't have to drive a motorcycle to understand
:57:44. > :57:48.the pain and the anguish that's caused by people dying. It can be
:57:49. > :57:55.made much safer and I believe that road racing is a total disaster.
:57:56. > :57:59.Mark, you are a former racing team owner. What do you think from what
:58:00. > :58:07.Bill is saying tonight? Realistically, I'm divided. With my
:58:08. > :58:15.team, I would have been controlling several riders who if they would
:58:16. > :58:19.have come to me and asked to do the North West 200 or the island, I
:58:20. > :58:22.would have made sure they were committed and serious and then I
:58:23. > :58:26.would have taken the decision of taking the team colours off the
:58:27. > :58:30.bike, shaken their hand and wished them well and having nothing to do
:58:31. > :58:37.with their entry of whatever rode race. Why? Simply because so many of
:58:38. > :58:46.my pals have either been fatally injured or killed. Fatally injured
:58:47. > :58:53.is kill. Or seriously injured. And I love racing. I miss it so much. I'm
:58:54. > :58:58.unable to ride because of my sight loss. Are you saying the North West
:58:59. > :59:03.200 is simply too dangerous? No. Absolutely not. It is what the
:59:04. > :59:08.riders make it. And it is what the organisers do their best to make it.
:59:09. > :59:12.Nothing more and nothing less. It is a wonderful spectacle for all the
:59:13. > :59:18.competitors and for all the spectators that come in their droves
:59:19. > :59:22.every single year. It is only spoiled by the weather. We're going
:59:23. > :59:28.to have to leave it there. We will continue talking about this. That's
:59:29. > :59:34.our hour up. It goes like that. We will talk together on the radio
:59:35. > :59:35.tomorrow morning at 9am. Night-night everybody.
:59:36. > :59:58.APPLAUSE Throughout history, Armagh has
:59:59. > :00:02.always been a spiritual sanctuary. It gives me purpose.
:00:03. > :00:09.It is everything that I am. the be-all and the end-all
:00:10. > :00:14.of everything. If this is how God answers prayer,
:00:15. > :00:20.bring it on! Do you believe in miracles?
:00:21. > :00:24.I am one.