:00:13. > :00:17.Good evening and welcome to today at conference. This week, we're in
:00:17. > :00:22.Manchester, with Labour. It might be damp in the North West, but the
:00:22. > :00:26.party faithful are in good spirits, as Labour rides high in the polls.
:00:26. > :00:32.Those same polls suggest the two Eds aren't as popular as their
:00:32. > :00:36.party. Today we heard from the first, Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls,
:00:36. > :00:40.whose typically robust speech called on the party to summon the
:00:40. > :00:45.spirit of 1945 to rebuild Britain. His warning he would not flinch
:00:45. > :00:48.from tough decisions on public spending frustrated trade union
:00:48. > :00:53.leaders. Elsewhere the Shadow Foreign Secretary outlined what he
:00:53. > :00:58.saw as Britain's role in the world an the Shadow Defence Secretary
:00:58. > :01:03.said he wants an in-out referendum on Britain in the EU.
:01:03. > :01:08.All the talk, well, some of the talk here at the Midland Hotel bar
:01:08. > :01:14.is of Ed Balls' speech. The Tory bashing, the napbs napbs loving all
:01:14. > :01:18.went down well in the hall. But there was a harder message for the
:01:18. > :01:22.party to swallow. There was no promise to reverse spending cuts
:01:22. > :01:29.and talk of harder times ahead, even after 2015. Conference, we
:01:29. > :01:35.meet here in Manchester, two years on from our leadership election, a
:01:35. > :01:41.contest held in the shadow of a general election defeat. We all
:01:41. > :01:44.know what's supposed to happen when political parties lose elections -
:01:44. > :01:50.acrimony, division, the party turning in on itself, out of touch
:01:50. > :01:52.with the views of the country. Well, conference, two years on, in this
:01:52. > :02:02.generation, we have bucked that trend.
:02:02. > :02:03.
:02:03. > :02:08.APPLAUSE I can't remember our party ever
:02:08. > :02:13.being so united, so determined to win back the trust of the people
:02:13. > :02:18.again, with our economy in recession and the unfairness of
:02:18. > :02:22.this Tory-led coalition now laid bare, let us show we are the people
:02:22. > :02:30.to rebuild Britain strong and fair for the future.
:02:30. > :02:34.APPLAUSE Conference, making the case for
:02:34. > :02:39.change, setting the agenda on reform of our media, our banks,
:02:39. > :02:43.responsibility in our economy from top to bottom, showing the strength
:02:43. > :02:48.of purpose and moral conviction which won him the job and will get
:02:48. > :02:52.him to Downing Street, let us pay tribute to my friend, our leader,
:02:52. > :03:02.the next Prime Minister of our country, Ed Miliband.
:03:02. > :03:10.
:03:10. > :03:14.You know, I am proud to serve in Ed's Shadow Cabinet. Now with more
:03:14. > :03:20.than 40% women, the first time that has ever happened in British
:03:21. > :03:25.politics. APPLAUSE
:03:25. > :03:31.What a contrast to David Cameron's Cabinet, where the men get the jobs,
:03:31. > :03:35.the women get the sack and only the chaps get the knighthoods. What
:03:35. > :03:40.kind of Prime Minister, what kind of Prime Minister thinks it's fair
:03:40. > :03:47.to sack a 54-year-old woman in his Cabinet because she's too old and
:03:47. > :03:50.then give the job to a 56-year-old man instead?
:03:50. > :03:54.APPLAUSE Let me tell you, a Prime Minister
:03:54. > :04:00.who only appoints five women in the first place, sacks three of them,
:04:00. > :04:10.demoats the other two and then attacks the Labour leadership for
:04:10. > :04:11.
:04:12. > :04:15.not being butch enough. Butch? Butch?? Whatever did he mean? If
:04:15. > :04:22.David Cameron's butch... LAUGHTER
:04:22. > :04:26.If David Cameron's butch where does that leave George Osborne?
:04:26. > :04:30.APPLAUSE Perhaps this is why, perhaps this
:04:30. > :04:34.is why George Osborne will never be sacked. A Prime Minister and a
:04:34. > :04:38.Chancellor going down fighting together and this time, let's see
:04:38. > :04:43.them ride off into the sun set butch Cameron and the floot line
:04:43. > :04:48.kid. -- Flat line kid. Remember what
:04:48. > :04:53.David Cameron, George Osborne and Nick Clegg promised - tax rises
:04:54. > :05:00.faster, deeper spending cuts faster, would secure the recovery and make
:05:00. > :05:08.Britain a safe haven. Theirs was the only credible plan to deal with
:05:08. > :05:14.the deficit. And that we were all in this together. Conference, the
:05:14. > :05:17.recovery secured, we are just one of only two G20 countries in
:05:17. > :05:23.recession, the longest double-dip recession since the Second World
:05:23. > :05:28.War. A credible plan to deal with our deficits, because we're in
:05:28. > :05:34.recession, the deficit is not going down, it's going up. Up by 22% so
:05:34. > :05:38.far this year. Rising borrowing, not to invest in the jobs of the
:05:38. > :05:42.future, but to pay for the mounting costs of this Government's economic
:05:42. > :05:46.failure. Conference, there is nothing credible about a plan that
:05:46. > :05:51.leads it a double-dip recession, to thousands of businesses going bust,
:05:51. > :05:56.it a million young people out of work, to billions wasted on a
:05:56. > :06:05.soaring benefits bill, to borrowing going up, not down. That's not
:06:05. > :06:12.credible. That is just plain wrong. APPLAUSE
:06:12. > :06:18.And as for "we're all in this together". We don't hear that line
:06:18. > :06:23.any more. Not from a Chancellor who presented the most unfair and
:06:23. > :06:27.unpopular budget in a generation. A Chancellor who tried to raise taxes
:06:27. > :06:32.on pasties, caravans, churches and charities, but who refused to look
:06:32. > :06:37.seriously at proposal for a mansion tax. A Chancellor, who in six
:06:37. > :06:44.months' time will raise taxes for pensioners on the very same day he
:06:44. > :06:52.cuts the top rate of tax for the very richest, a �3 billion tax cut
:06:52. > :06:57.giving �40,000 a year to a millionaire. �40,000 a year. What
:06:57. > :07:02.kind of Government asks pensioners to pay for a tax cut for
:07:02. > :07:06.millionaires? You know what the worst thing is? For two years,
:07:06. > :07:13.they've told us all this pain will be worth it in the end. That it
:07:13. > :07:18.will be short-term pain for long- term gain. What we are now seeing
:07:18. > :07:22.is short-term pain doing long-term damage in our economy. With Hillary
:07:22. > :07:27.Ben and Jack dromey, this is what we propose, the Government is
:07:27. > :07:33.anticipating a windfall of up to �4 billion from the sale of the 4G
:07:33. > :07:39.mobile phone spectrum. In good times, Labour used every penny of
:07:39. > :07:43.the �22 billion from the sale of the B2 lie -- 3G licenses to repay
:07:43. > :07:48.national debt. In difficult times we urgently need to put something
:07:48. > :07:52.back into our economy. So with this one-off windfall from the sale of
:07:52. > :07:57.the 4G spectrum, let's cut through this Government's dither and
:07:57. > :08:01.rhetoric and actually do something, not more talk, but action now.
:08:01. > :08:06.Let's use the money from the 4G sale and build over the next two
:08:06. > :08:09.years, 100,000 new homes, affordable homes to rent and buy,
:08:09. > :08:15.creating hundreds of thousands of jobs. Let's get our construction
:08:15. > :08:17.industry moving again. The financial crisis exposed deep-
:08:17. > :08:22.rooted problems in our economy. After the global financial crisis
:08:22. > :08:26.it was always going to be difficult to get the deficit down. Even if we
:08:27. > :08:30.do get our economy growing again, even if we do reform the banking
:08:30. > :08:34.system, we are going to face tough choices in the years ahead. The
:08:34. > :08:39.longer this Government staggers on with a failing economic plan, the
:08:39. > :08:43.worse it will be and the harder it will get. Hard times are going to
:08:43. > :08:48.last longer than any of us hoped. We can't promise to put everything
:08:48. > :08:52.right straight away. Which is why however difficult this is, when we
:08:52. > :08:58.don't know what we will inherit, we can't make any commitments now that
:08:58. > :09:01.the Labour Government will be able to reverse particular tax rises or
:09:01. > :09:05.spending cuts. Unlike Nick Clegg we will not make promises we cannot
:09:05. > :09:11.keep. APPLAUSE
:09:11. > :09:16.Of course, we'll make different choices. We'll do things in a
:09:16. > :09:19.fairer way and puts jobs and growth first. As I said to the TUC, we
:09:19. > :09:22.have to be up front with the British people that under Labour
:09:22. > :09:27.there would have been cuts. On spending pay and pensions there
:09:27. > :09:32.will be difficult decisions in the future from which we won't flinch.
:09:32. > :09:36.Where we face long-term challenges, we must seek a consensus that puts
:09:36. > :09:43.short-term politics aside and puts the national interest first, just
:09:43. > :09:47.as we did when we made the Bank of England independent. Nowhere is
:09:47. > :09:52.such consensus is essential than on national infrastructure. That is
:09:52. > :09:56.why we need a comprehensive long- term plan to rebuild Britain's
:09:56. > :10:01.infrastructure for the 21st century and cross-party consensus to
:10:01. > :10:07.deliver it. It's why, too, when Government budgets are tight, we
:10:07. > :10:11.must think innovatively to finance the vital projects, drawing on the
:10:11. > :10:21.private sector and long-term pension savings. Ed Miliband and I
:10:21. > :10:25.have asked the chair of the Olymic Delivery Authority to consider how
:10:25. > :10:30.long-term infrastructure decision making, planning, delivery and
:10:30. > :10:34.finance can be radically improved over the coming decades. I can
:10:34. > :10:38.announce today that Sir John has agreed to lead this work and to
:10:38. > :10:42.draw up plans for a commission or process independent of Government
:10:42. > :10:46.to assess and make proposals on the long-term infrastructure needs of
:10:47. > :10:52.our country, over the coming days, decades, and help build that
:10:52. > :10:56.consensus. APPLAUSE
:10:56. > :11:00.Not repeating the mistakes of the past, but learning from them,
:11:00. > :11:05.building a consensus which crosses party lines without chopping and
:11:05. > :11:13.changing one Parliament to the next. This is what we mean by building a
:11:13. > :11:19.consensus to rebuild Britain for the future. Conference, there is
:11:19. > :11:26.another lesson we must learn from our history - many people have said
:11:26. > :11:33.over recent weeks, this has been Britain's greatest ever summer, but
:11:33. > :11:39.let me remind you of an even greater summer still, the summer of
:11:39. > :11:43.1945, the end of six hard years of war, when our nation welcomed its
:11:43. > :11:47.heroes home from the battlefields of Europe, Asia and America and
:11:47. > :11:52.celebrated together the defeat of fascism. Conference, our
:11:52. > :11:59.predecessors were elected that year to rebuild a country ravaged by
:11:59. > :12:04.conflict. They faced even greater challenges than we face today. An
:12:04. > :12:10.economy feeble by war, national debt double the size of our today
:12:10. > :12:16.and they made tough and unpopular decisions to continue with
:12:16. > :12:21.rationing, to cut defence spending and to introduce prescription
:12:21. > :12:28.charges. When our grandchildren look back at us, what will they
:12:28. > :12:34.say? Will they say we cast a generation of young people on the
:12:34. > :12:38.scrap heap of unemployment? Will they say we as a generation,
:12:38. > :12:43.dismantled the NHS and made it harder to go to university? Will
:12:43. > :12:49.they say we plunged Britain into a decade of economic stagnation while
:12:49. > :12:58.other countries race add head? Will they say, we left Britain less
:12:58. > :13:04.prosperous, more unequal, more unfair? Or will they say - even as
:13:04. > :13:09.we made tough and painful decisions that ours was the generation that
:13:09. > :13:14.got a record number of young people into apprenticeships and university.
:13:14. > :13:18.Ours was the generation that safe guarded the NHS and started the
:13:18. > :13:22.rebuilding of our national infrastructure. Ours was the
:13:22. > :13:26.generation that tackled our debts by growing and reforming our
:13:26. > :13:31.economy and making sure the banking crisis could never happen again,
:13:31. > :13:36.that ours was the generation that broke from the cycle of political
:13:36. > :13:39.short-termism and started to rebuild Britain anew in the long-
:13:39. > :13:42.term interest. Let us go forward not flinching from tough decisions,
:13:42. > :13:47.giving young people hope, rebuilding Britain for the future,
:13:47. > :13:54.that is our challenge. That is our mission. Let us go forward and do
:13:54. > :13:58.it together. Thank you. Elsewhere there was dissent over
:13:58. > :14:03.the course of the day. Two trade union General Secretaries expressed
:14:03. > :14:11.their frustration with the leadership. Dave prepb sis for
:14:11. > :14:15.Unison and first Len McCluskey from Unite. -- Dave Prentice. Out there,
:14:15. > :14:21.beyond this conference millions of people, our people, are hurting. No
:14:21. > :14:26.jobs, no prospects, falling living standards, public services
:14:26. > :14:33.crumbling under the cuts, struggling with the worst slump in
:14:34. > :14:37.living memory. Our party needs to offer them just one thing this week
:14:37. > :14:41.- hope. Real hope. We can tell the country that the next Labour
:14:41. > :14:46.Government, the one that all the polls are telling us that people
:14:46. > :14:50.desperately want, that we will act. That it will be different from the
:14:50. > :14:57.present class war Conservative-led coalition which is leading our
:14:57. > :15:02.nations on a path to poverty. And that it will be different from the
:15:02. > :15:10.last Labour Government which put too much faith in an unregulated
:15:10. > :15:15.City and allowed inequality to worsen. APPLAUSE. This is no time,
:15:15. > :15:21.comrades, for timidity. Our party must be bold and determined, a
:15:21. > :15:24.faint heart never won a fair election. We must not get
:15:24. > :15:31.outflanked by the Liberals. Nick Clegg and Vince Cable are being
:15:31. > :15:37.given the space to pose as champions of the wealth tax and
:15:37. > :15:42.state-run investment bank. What a joke. So I say respectfully to our
:15:42. > :15:46.shadow cabinet, you need to come out of the shadows, to be heard
:15:47. > :15:53.louder and clearer on these questions and to fight harder.
:15:53. > :15:59.APPLAUSE. Conference, asking the poorest for further sacrifices, for
:15:59. > :16:04.a crisis that they did not cause, is the road to political ruin and
:16:04. > :16:10.to defeat at the next general election. It's time for Labour to
:16:10. > :16:15.once and for all turn its back on the neo-liberalism of the past,
:16:15. > :16:20.reject the siren voices heard from those whose policies and philosophy
:16:20. > :16:24.have been discredited and embrace the radical alternative the country
:16:24. > :16:34.wants and which is the only way, the only way conference, Labour
:16:34. > :16:35.
:16:35. > :16:39.will return to power. We live in a divided Britain of rich and poor
:16:39. > :16:46.where inflation and this vicious pay freeze is wrecking lives. A new
:16:46. > :16:52.class of working poor, our people hit the hardest and they look to
:16:52. > :16:56.Labour, our party, for hope and our fight for fair pay should be with
:16:56. > :17:01.nobody in this room. No one in this room is the enemy and no one in the
:17:01. > :17:07.leadership of our party gains by undermining our efforts to defend
:17:07. > :17:12.our members and their families. APPLAUSE. To those who believe that
:17:12. > :17:19.driving down further the pay of public service workers will save
:17:19. > :17:24.jobs, I say you are downright wrong. Wrong morally, and wrong
:17:24. > :17:28.economically. In the real world, where our members overwhelmingly
:17:28. > :17:32.low paid women are struggling, they look to Labour in opposition to
:17:32. > :17:38.understand what they're going through. More than anything they
:17:38. > :17:43.want hope from our leaders, not lectures, which simply justify a
:17:43. > :17:47.Tory agenda. They want Labour in opposition to be in touch. Labour
:17:47. > :17:52.leaders to show that they're on the side of those harmed by the
:17:52. > :17:56.coalition. They want Labour in opposition to fashion an economic
:17:56. > :18:01.alternative that leaves ordinary people in no doubt that Labour
:18:01. > :18:06.speaks and acts for them. If our members, the people we rely on to
:18:06. > :18:11.provide our public services, if they decide to fight this pay
:18:11. > :18:21.freeze as they will, then both they and their union expect our
:18:21. > :18:25.
:18:25. > :18:31.political party to stand with them and support them. It wasn't all
:18:31. > :18:39.about the economy. Here is the shadow Foreign Secretary, Douglas
:18:39. > :18:42.Alex and letter -- Alexander. fundamental flaw of the
:18:42. > :18:48.Conservatives' approach to foreign policy is two years into office
:18:48. > :18:53.they remain damagingly unreconciled to that modern truth. Let's take
:18:53. > :18:58.the most pressing, the most urgent example, of course, it's Europe.
:18:58. > :19:03.Does it matter to Britain? Absolutely. Does it require
:19:03. > :19:06.fundamental reform? Certainly. Does this Conservative Government have a
:19:06. > :19:12.clue how to effect that reform in Britain's national interests?
:19:12. > :19:18.Absolutely not. Now, we all know that change is coming to Europe and
:19:18. > :19:25.that is why under Ed Miliband's leadership Labour will argue for
:19:25. > :19:31.reform in Europe, not exit from Europe. Why will we make that case
:19:32. > :19:38.for Britain? We make that case because British jobs, British
:19:38. > :19:44.exports, and yes, British influence in the wider world benefits from
:19:44. > :19:49.Britain's continued membership of the European Union. Now, of course
:19:49. > :19:55.next week we will no doubt hear some boasts and pwhrusers from
:19:55. > :19:58.David Cameron about Europe as he tries to asaupblg his ever restive
:19:58. > :20:06.backbenchers. But let's be honest about why that is happening. It's
:20:06. > :20:10.happening because if you start with a bunch of bur Burleys on your
:20:10. > :20:14.backbenchers you end up with the non-veto where the front bench
:20:14. > :20:20.managed to unite the whole of Europe. The only problem is they
:20:20. > :20:24.managed to unite them against the the United Kingdom. When David
:20:24. > :20:29.Cameron became Prime Minister he said this, this is a direct
:20:29. > :20:34.quotation: Afghanistan will be my Government's number one foreign
:20:34. > :20:39.policy priority. Conference, that is as it should be. With thousands
:20:39. > :20:45.of young British men and women still in harm's way in Afghanistan,
:20:45. > :20:50.they deserved nothing less. Now we have heard again from some members
:20:50. > :20:54.of the British Armed Forces on this platform in this debate. They are
:20:54. > :21:04.quite simply the best of British and they deserve once again our
:21:04. > :21:05.
:21:05. > :21:11.thanks and appreciation. APPLAUSE. Conference, the young men and women
:21:11. > :21:16.in harm's way in Afghanistan deserve something more than our
:21:16. > :21:21.public applause. They deserve from the British Government a political
:21:21. > :21:27.strategy worthy of their military heroism and their military efforts.
:21:27. > :21:31.And yet, David Cameron, the self- same Prime Minister who told us in
:21:31. > :21:36.May 2010 that Afghanistan would be his number one foreign policy
:21:36. > :21:44.priority, has now not made a single speech on Afghanistan to the House
:21:44. > :21:51.of Commons in 14 months. Conference, that is shameful. APPLAUSE.
:21:51. > :21:55.Conference, from this platform I say today to David Cameron, break
:21:55. > :22:05.your silence on Afghanistan. Take the risks for a sustainable
:22:05. > :22:08.settlement and we in the Labour Party will support you. Douglas
:22:08. > :22:12.Alexander speaking earlier. The Prime Minister is toying with the
:22:12. > :22:16.idea of a referendum on Europe. What should Labour do? Adam took
:22:16. > :22:19.out his moodbox to find out what party members think. There's no
:22:19. > :22:28.point asking the question about backing out of Europe. I am happy
:22:28. > :22:32.to be European. Yes. Why is that? Well, I think it's a waste of time
:22:32. > :22:40.at the moment. There are far more pressing issues that we should be
:22:40. > :22:43.spending our time on. OK. Why do you say yes? Well, I think the
:22:43. > :22:47.legitimacy has come under a great deal of questioning from the right
:22:47. > :22:50.and left and it's about time that people from a new generation should
:22:50. > :22:55.have the opportunity to say whether or not they want to support it.
:22:56. > :23:00.It's my favourite subject. Good. will vote no and I would happily
:23:00. > :23:05.take 1,000 of those balls and put them in the no. A kind person has
:23:05. > :23:09.given me this, a booklet called Five Reasons Why The EU is Better
:23:09. > :23:13.for Britain. I think this is situation at the moment is good and
:23:13. > :23:18.I worry about... The situation is good? Yeah. In the EU? Europe works
:23:18. > :23:22.for us but I wonder whether people would understand issues properly,
:23:22. > :23:26.whether the campaign would be run properly. Never answer the question
:23:26. > :23:30.that's been asked. They vote on other reasons whether they hate
:23:30. > :23:34.Nick Clegg, for example. Hitler favoured referendums. Here is a
:23:34. > :23:43.former Europe Minister, he should know. No, I have to answer a phone
:23:43. > :23:48.call. Bye. Boring! No, definitely not. Why not?
:23:48. > :23:52.Because we have had one. We decided to become members. That referendum
:23:52. > :23:59.was passed by more than two thirds majority. I wasn't even born then.
:23:59. > :24:06.I know, well, I was. Why indeed have a referendum on EU
:24:06. > :24:11.membership and not UN membership, United Nations, OECD? The person in
:24:11. > :24:15.the street would be saying how come these guys in prison are getting a
:24:15. > :24:21.vote and how come these are getting human rights and they might have
:24:21. > :24:25.murdered somebody, you know, when they've done an inhuman act, why
:24:25. > :24:30.should they... Because of Europe. Yeah. Do you always wear shoes that
:24:30. > :24:34.match our balls? Yes. Is it party policy to support the idea of a
:24:34. > :24:38.referendum? I think people like the idea of referendums but we are
:24:38. > :24:43.having a referendum in Scotland in two years on independence, we just
:24:43. > :24:46.had one on AV, I don't think we want to be a country where we have
:24:46. > :24:50.referendums every five minutes but at some point we need to have that
:24:50. > :24:55.debate, I think. The last few weeks we have been celebrating the
:24:55. > :24:57.Olympic Games when we applauded the other competitors from other
:24:57. > :25:02.countries and recognised there was good from other countries even if
:25:02. > :25:06.we didn't win everything. That's pretty clear, a big majority
:25:06. > :25:11.going for no. Looks like the only referendum that's happening around
:25:11. > :25:17.here on the EU is this one. So the rank-and-file don't want a
:25:17. > :25:21.referendum. Pwhau do frontbenchers want? Andrew Neil spoke to the
:25:21. > :25:23.shadow Defence Secretary, Jim Murphy. Under what circumstances,
:25:24. > :25:28.if any, would Labour give the British people a referendum on
:25:28. > :25:33.Europe? I think think at some point there will have to be a referendum
:25:33. > :25:36.on a European Union. In Scotland, we have tussled with the issue of
:25:36. > :25:40.the Scotland's relationship within the United Kingdom and I think that
:25:40. > :25:43.will finally be settled and the argument will be settled once we
:25:43. > :25:46.have a referendum on Scotland's membership of the union of the
:25:46. > :25:50.United Kingdom. I think that a relationship with the European
:25:50. > :25:54.Union will be settled once we have a referendum on that union of
:25:54. > :25:57.Europe. It won't stop the argument. My gosh, the day after a referendum
:25:57. > :26:02.in Scotland the Scottish National Party will continue to argue for
:26:02. > :26:07.independence and eurosceptics after the referendum of course if the
:26:07. > :26:11.campaign wins will continue to be kind of fixated by Europe. But it
:26:11. > :26:14.is important and I - in terms of a timeline it's not for me to
:26:14. > :26:19.announce but it's important at some point we have that referendum. I
:26:19. > :26:22.don't think it's today, at some point it should happen. You say at
:26:22. > :26:26.some point there should be a referendum, can you give us any
:26:26. > :26:31.indication of what some point means and also can you indicate what kind
:26:31. > :26:36.of referendum will it be? Will it be, for example, an in-out
:26:36. > :26:39.referendum? David Cameron is toying with the idea because he has to go
:26:39. > :26:43.to this conference next week in a party that's really split down the
:26:43. > :26:47.middle. I am asking about you, Mr Murphy. Of course but we are really
:26:47. > :26:50.not under that sense of pressure here within our party. We have a
:26:50. > :26:54.settled view in the Labour Party, which is that it's good for the
:26:54. > :26:58.United Kingdom to be engaged in Europe, not in the euro but engaged
:26:58. > :27:03.in Europe. So in terms of a time- scale, we will work through that
:27:03. > :27:06.but I I know it shouldn't be in the midst of the financial crisis
:27:06. > :27:09.that's affecting the globe, affecting Europe. We have to get
:27:09. > :27:13.through this recession. We got to get through the euro crisis before
:27:14. > :27:20.we do that. There's a big change coming to Europe, the 17 nations of
:27:20. > :27:23.the euro in themselves are going to have a closer union. Now at the end
:27:23. > :27:27.of that Europe will look differently and as we come through
:27:27. > :27:31.that and the financial crisis after that the time for referendum would
:27:31. > :27:38.be upon stkpwhrus you can't give me any. You can't tell me whether it
:27:38. > :27:44.be in an in-out referendum? Can you? That doesn't sound like any
:27:44. > :27:49.policy to me. That's a fair heckle, Andrew. I didn't give you - it
:27:49. > :27:55.should be. My preference would be an in or out referendum when that
:27:55. > :27:59.time comes in the same way Scotland will have an in-out referendum.
:27:59. > :28:03.It's a sensible way to do it. I don't today have a calendar with a
:28:03. > :28:07.date circled. We will do it when the time's right which means
:28:07. > :28:10.getting through the financial crisis, then having a proper debate
:28:10. > :28:20.and referendum conversation based upon the Europe that we want.
:28:20. > :28:21.
:28:21. > :28:24.That's all from Manchester tonight. Labour members are washing down Ed
:28:24. > :28:27.Balls speech and looking ahead to the next big moment of this week.
:28:27. > :28:31.Tomorrow on the conference floor, we'll hear from newly enobled Dame
:28:31. > :28:33.Tessa Jowell on the Olympics, and - the main event - the Leader of the
:28:33. > :28:36.Opposition, Ed Miliband. This conference will only be judged a
:28:36. > :28:40.success if Labour can give a clearer picture of who Ed Miliband
:28:40. > :28:43.is and what a Labour Government would do for the country. And the
:28:43. > :28:46.leader's speech is the party's best opportunity to do just that. The
:28:46. > :28:49.Daily Politics will be back tomorrow at midday and have live