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:00:22. > :00:27.Good evening and welcome back to Brighton for a round-up of the
:00:27. > :00:33.final day of the Liberal Democrat conference.
:00:33. > :00:37.Hang in there, when the economy starts recovering, so will the
:00:37. > :00:45.Liberal Democrats. That was Nick Clegg's message to
:00:45. > :00:55.his party faithful in his big speech today.
:00:55. > :00:57.
:00:57. > :01:00.The Coalition would stick to its ecionomic plan, but the Lib Dems
:01:00. > :01:06.were pushing for fairer, greener, government.
:01:06. > :01:12.That was his message to the country. Elsewhere, Nick Clegg's saying
:01:12. > :01:19.he'll lead his party up to the general election and beyond.
:01:19. > :01:25.We test the mood to see if the party's keen to follow him.
:01:25. > :01:29.And, the Conference gives a thumbs down to George Osborne's planning
:01:29. > :01:35.reforms. The stage is being dismanteled, Nick Clegg has had his
:01:35. > :01:42.say, what a bleak message it was. Times are tough. Tough for the
:01:42. > :01:49.economy, tougher still for Liberal Democrats trying it defend the
:01:49. > :01:56.Coalition's economic plan. There was no easy alternative. And, with
:01:56. > :02:02.the polls looking grim it was time for the Lib Dems to show the
:02:02. > :02:08.country they were a responsible party of power. To give the troops
:02:09. > :02:15.the pep talk they needed. Olympians and paralympians have
:02:15. > :02:20.reminded us of is that for most people success doesn't come easy or
:02:20. > :02:24.quick. That's what our culture of instant celebrity object cures, the
:02:25. > :02:26.real achievement in the real world, it takes time, effort, perseverence
:02:26. > :02:28.and resilience. The war veteran, a victim of a roadside bomb in
:02:28. > :02:30.Afghanistan competing at the Paralympics. The businessman, the
:02:30. > :02:33.victim of an arson attack in south London, serving his customers again.
:02:33. > :02:35.The millions of people up-and-down the country who no matter how
:02:35. > :02:37.heroic or mundane their battles keep going, keep trying, keep
:02:37. > :02:39.working, whatever life throws at them. These, these are the
:02:39. > :02:42.qualities that will see our country through these tough times. These
:02:42. > :02:44.are the qualities that will guide our party through tough times too.
:02:44. > :02:46.Let's take our example from the British people as together we
:02:46. > :02:48.embark on the journey ahead. Our party, from the come forts of
:02:48. > :02:50.opposition, to the hard realities of government, and our country,
:02:50. > :02:53.from the sacrifices of austerity to the rewards of shared prosperity.
:02:53. > :02:56.Two journeys linked. The success of each depending on the success of
:02:56. > :03:00.the other. Neither will be easy and neither will be quick. It will be
:03:00. > :03:10.worth it. Be in no doubt, if we secure our country's future, we
:03:10. > :03:15.will secure our own. If we fail to deal with our debts and tackle the
:03:15. > :03:21.weaknesss in our economy, our country will pay a heavy political
:03:21. > :03:25.price. But the human cost would be higher still. Not only would we
:03:25. > :03:33.fall behind internationally, we would leave a trail of victims at
:03:33. > :03:41.home too. To those who ask what we, the Liberal Democrats, are doing
:03:41. > :03:50.cutting public spending, I simply say this. Who suffers most when
:03:50. > :03:54.governments go bust? When they can and pensions? Not the bankers and
:03:55. > :04:02.the hedge fund managers, that is for sure. No, it would be the poor,
:04:02. > :04:09.the old, the infirm, those with the least to fall back on. The truth is
:04:09. > :04:14.this, there is no silver bullet that will instantly solve all our
:04:14. > :04:20.economic problems. Some of our problems are structural, others
:04:20. > :04:26.international. All will take time to overcome. We are dealing with an
:04:26. > :04:30.ongoing surge in globe energy, food and comodity prices. A crisis in
:04:30. > :04:36.the Eurozone and a banking collapse which more than four years on is
:04:36. > :04:40.still blocking the arteries of our entire economic system. Ranged
:04:40. > :04:49.against these forces the idea that if government just deregulated a
:04:49. > :04:52.bit more, as Liam Fox proposess or borrows and spent more as Ed Balls
:04:52. > :04:56.suggests, we would at a stroke get lasting growth is just not credible.
:04:56. > :05:03.In my experience if you are being attacked by Liam Fox from one side
:05:03. > :05:06.and Ed Balls from the other, you're in the right place, by the way.
:05:06. > :05:10.APPLAUSE Of course, so much of this is about
:05:10. > :05:13.perception. People keep telling me we should be doing what Barack
:05:13. > :05:18.Obama did with his fiscal stimulus. What they don't tell you is that
:05:18. > :05:26.much of what the President had to legislate for, we are already doing
:05:26. > :05:33.automatically. So let's not allow the caricature of what we are doing
:05:34. > :05:37.go unchallenged. If Plan A really was as ridgied and dogmattic as our
:05:37. > :05:45.critics claim, I would be demanding a Plan B and getting Danny and
:05:45. > :05:49.Vince to design it. But it isn't. Which is why you were right,
:05:49. > :05:55.earlier this week, to overwhelmingly reject the call for
:05:55. > :06:02.us to change our economic course. We have taken big and bold steps to
:06:02. > :06:07.support, demand and boost growth. We stand ready to do so again and
:06:07. > :06:17.again and again until self- sustaining growth returns.
:06:17. > :06:24.APPLAUSE Now, at the last Budget we made two
:06:24. > :06:29.big announcements. That we were spending �3,000 million increasing
:06:29. > :06:33.the tax free allowance and just �50 million reducing the top rate of
:06:33. > :06:42.tax while recouping five times that amount in additional taxes on the
:06:42. > :06:50.wealthiest. I insisted on the first, I conceded the second, but I stand
:06:50. > :06:56.by the package as a whole. Why? Because as liberals we want to see
:06:56. > :07:00.the tax on work reduced, the tax on unearned wealth increased and the
:07:00. > :07:06.system as a whole tilted in favour of those on low and middle incomes.
:07:06. > :07:12.The Budget delivered all three, but let me make one thing clear. Now,
:07:12. > :07:16.we brought the top rate of tax down to 45p, a level, let's not forget,
:07:16. > :07:20.that is still higher than throughout Labour's 13 years in
:07:20. > :07:30.office, there can be no question of reducing it further in this
:07:30. > :07:35.
:07:35. > :07:41.Parliament. APPLAUSE
:07:41. > :07:46.All future cuts, in personal taxation, must pass one clear test,
:07:46. > :07:54.do they help people on low and middle incomes get by and get on?
:07:54. > :07:58.It's as simple as that. Going green means going forward. So let the
:07:58. > :08:08.Conservatives be in no doubt we will hold them to their promises on
:08:08. > :08:09.
:08:09. > :08:17.the environment. APPLAUSE
:08:17. > :08:22.Of course, there was a time when it looked like they got it. It seems a
:08:22. > :08:27.long time ago now, doesn't it? The Tories were going through their
:08:27. > :08:33.sort of naturalist phase. The windmills gently turning, the sun
:08:33. > :08:37.shining in. As a PR exercise it was actually quite brilliant until, at
:08:37. > :08:42.last year's party conference they went and ruined it all, admitting
:08:42. > :08:47.that you can't in fact vote blue and go green. Well, of course, you
:08:47. > :08:52.can't. To make blue go green, you have to add yellow! That's exactly
:08:52. > :09:00.what we're doing. APPLAUSE
:09:00. > :09:04.What a bad joke! As we plot our path from austerity to prosperity,
:09:04. > :09:10.we need to remember that nothing we do will make a decisive difference
:09:10. > :09:15.if we don't make the most important investment of all, in the education
:09:15. > :09:22.and training of our young people. I can announce, from this year, that
:09:22. > :09:25.we will provide a new catchup premium, an additional �500 for
:09:25. > :09:31.every child who leaves primary school below the expected level in
:09:31. > :09:41.English or maths. If you're a parent...
:09:41. > :09:42.
:09:43. > :09:46.APPLAUSE If you're a parent whose child has
:09:46. > :09:51.fallen behind, who fear that is they might get lost in that
:09:51. > :09:55.daunting leap from primary to secondary school, who is worried
:09:55. > :10:01.about all this talk about making exams tougher, let me reassure you.
:10:01. > :10:07.We will do whatever it takes to make sure your child is not left
:10:07. > :10:12.behind. I know there are some in the party, some in this hall even,
:10:12. > :10:17.who faced with several more years of spending restraint would rather
:10:17. > :10:20.turn back than press on. Break our deal with the Conservatives and
:10:20. > :10:24.give unup on the Coalition and present yourselves to the
:10:24. > :10:28.electorate in 2015 as a party unchanged. It's an alluring
:10:28. > :10:32.prospect in some ways. Gone would be the difficult choices and the
:10:32. > :10:36.hard decisions and gone too would be the abuse from right and left as
:10:36. > :10:42.we work every day to keep this government anchored in the centre
:10:42. > :10:49.ground. But Conference, I tell you this, the choice between the party
:10:49. > :10:53.we were and the party we are becoming is a false one. The past
:10:53. > :10:58.is gone. It isn't coming back. If voters want a party of opposition,
:10:58. > :11:02.a "stop the world I want it get off party", they have plenty of options,
:11:02. > :11:12.but we are not one of them. There is a better, more meaningful future
:11:12. > :11:20.
:11:20. > :11:26.waiting for us. There is a better, more meaningful
:11:26. > :11:34.future waiting for us, not as the third party, but as one of three
:11:34. > :11:37.parties of government. APPLAUSE
:11:37. > :11:42.Let's forget all the Westminster gossip and focus on what really
:11:42. > :11:48.matters, not our relationship with other parties, but our relationship
:11:48. > :11:52.with the British people. Imagine your self-, imagine your self-
:11:52. > :12:01.standing on the doorstep in 2015 talking to one who hasn't decided
:12:01. > :12:06.who to vote for. This is what you will be able to say. We cut taxes
:12:06. > :12:10.for ordinary families and made sure the wealthiest pay their fair share.
:12:10. > :12:14.Put more money in schools to give every child a chance.we did
:12:14. > :12:17.everything possible to get people into work. Millions of new jobs and
:12:17. > :12:23.more apprenticeships than ever before. We did the right thing by
:12:23. > :12:26.older people too. The biggest ever cash rise in the state pension.
:12:26. > :12:34.Most importantingly, we brought our economy back from the brink and put
:12:34. > :12:40.it on the right path. Then ask them, are you ready to trust Labour with
:12:40. > :12:44.your money again? Do you really think the Tories will make Britain
:12:44. > :12:49.fairer? Because the truth is only the Liberal Democrats can be
:12:49. > :12:59.trusted on the economy and relied upon to deliver a fairer society
:12:59. > :13:15.
:13:15. > :13:20.too. And to help get that message out
:13:20. > :13:25.there, I can announce today that Paddy Ashdown has agreed to front
:13:25. > :13:35.up our campaign as Chair of the 2015 General Election team.
:13:35. > :13:47.
:13:47. > :13:52.Before we head off on the next stage of our journey, I want you to
:13:52. > :13:57.take one last look in that mirror to see how far we've come. I tell
:13:57. > :14:03.you what I see, I see generations of liberals marching towards the
:14:03. > :14:07.sound of gunfire. And, yes, and, yes, I see them going back to their
:14:07. > :14:17.constituencies to prepare for government. It took us a while, but
:14:17. > :14:23.
:14:23. > :14:28.we got there in the end. These are the people on whose
:14:28. > :14:34.shoulders we stand. They never flinched, and nor should we. We owe
:14:34. > :14:39.it to them to ceas-- seize the opportunity that they gave us, they
:14:39. > :14:43.never had, taking on the interests, refusing to be bullied, refusing to
:14:43. > :14:47.give up, always overturning the odds, fighting for what we believe
:14:47. > :14:52.in because we know that nothing worthwhile can be won without a
:14:52. > :15:02.battle, a fair, free and open society. That's the prize. So let's
:15:02. > :15:03.
:15:03. > :15:06.Nick Clegg addressing the conference earlier this afternoon.
:15:06. > :15:09.Straight after Mr Clegg's speech Andrew tphel interviewed the former
:15:09. > :15:12.leader of the Liberal Democrats, Menzies Campbell on the Daily
:15:12. > :15:20.Politics. What bit of the speech has stuck in
:15:20. > :15:23.your mind? Well, the bit where he was keen to remind us of march to
:15:23. > :15:26.the sound of gunfire, go back to your constituencies and prepare for
:15:26. > :15:31.Government, David Steel saying we should recognise that but we must
:15:31. > :15:34.not be held back by it. When he said, look, three parties now with
:15:34. > :15:39.an interest in Government in the United Kingdom, it seemed to me
:15:39. > :15:42.that he was putting to us a pretty serious test but equally, a pretty
:15:42. > :15:46.serious ambition. That was the bit which leapt out to me from what we
:15:46. > :15:52.heard. Tpwu also seemed that the fate of your party is now tied up
:15:52. > :15:55.with the success or otherwise of the coalition's policies and it
:15:55. > :16:01.doesn't always follow that even if they were to come right, that you
:16:01. > :16:05.would get the credit? Well, let's put that around the other way.
:16:05. > :16:12.Supposing they come wrong. Then you are finished! We would somehow be
:16:12. > :16:16.successful. You are toast! And the analysis is right, of course, that
:16:16. > :16:19.he has married together the success and progress of the party with the
:16:19. > :16:23.success of the economy. But remember that's what the coalition
:16:23. > :16:26.agreement was about. It's what we signed up to. It's why people like
:16:26. > :16:31.myself agreed that this was a coalition and necessity which we
:16:31. > :16:36.had to enter into. So what he was doing essentially was expressing,
:16:36. > :16:42.frankly, something which has been by implication the position ever
:16:42. > :16:47.since May of 2010. Why did he say nothing about the potential trade-
:16:47. > :16:51.off which everyone has been talking about between the coalition's need,
:16:51. > :16:56.particularly the Conservative desire, to make further cuts or
:16:56. > :17:02.further freezes on benefits and your party's desire for higher
:17:02. > :17:05.taxes on the wealthy, why did he not mention that? Well, I was
:17:05. > :17:09.eavesdropping on Nick Robinson a moment ago when you were talking to
:17:09. > :17:11.him and he was pointing out the fact that Liberal Democrats, not
:17:11. > :17:18.surprisingly perhaps, had been going around this conference saying
:17:18. > :17:21.we are not going to do this and do that, and this and that are not
:17:21. > :17:25.things actually which are under consideration in this parliament
:17:25. > :17:28.and remember the coalition for this parliament, success or otherwise,
:17:28. > :17:34.will be determined by what happens in this parliament. One general
:17:34. > :17:38.point, if I may, this wasn't an occasion for the sunny southern
:17:38. > :17:41.uplands. It was an austere speech for an age of austerity. The
:17:41. > :17:45.serious business afoot and we have to be serious in the way in which
:17:45. > :17:50.we deal with it. But lying behind the speech at every stage was the
:17:50. > :17:54.question of opportunity, not just opportunity for those who are less
:17:54. > :17:58.well-off, but opportunity for our party and in a sense cow argue this
:17:58. > :18:02.was a challenge to the Liberal Democrats. Here's where we are,
:18:02. > :18:05.here's what we have to do, hold hard, get out and do it. When you
:18:05. > :18:09.look at everything that's been demanded and I know some things
:18:09. > :18:13.have been thrown out and there's been a lack of flesh on the bones,
:18:13. > :18:17.but when you look at everything that's been demanded of the - by
:18:17. > :18:21.the Lib Dems at your conference there, surely it's true to say that
:18:21. > :18:27.you are much more likely to get what you want on taxation and
:18:27. > :18:31.redistribution and wealth tax and so on, from a Labour Party than a
:18:31. > :18:34.Conservative Party? Well, I thought one of the interesting parts of the
:18:35. > :18:38.speech was when he pointed out that all talk of what one would do after
:18:38. > :18:42.the next election really is arrogant. In this sense, the people
:18:42. > :18:46.will decide what sort of parliament they want to have. Of course, if
:18:47. > :18:50.the parliament is hung once again, then all parties, Labour, Liberal
:18:50. > :18:53.Democrats, Conservative, will have an obligation to see what's
:18:54. > :18:58.necessary to do in the national interests. I don't think anything
:18:58. > :19:02.is served by anticipating the result of the general election and
:19:02. > :19:07.by attempting to create positions for negotiation in advance of that
:19:07. > :19:11.result. Wouldn't there be widespread anger if the Liberal
:19:11. > :19:14.Democrats were to lose a large number of seats in the next
:19:14. > :19:20.election, but still held the balance of power and still stayed
:19:21. > :19:26.in Government? People would think that's not fair. Well, the British
:19:26. > :19:30.electoral system is not fair F we had a proper proposal system --
:19:30. > :19:35.proportional system. You lost that argument! What you say would not
:19:35. > :19:38.occur. I can hear some heckling from the background, but if we had
:19:38. > :19:46.a fair system then of course coalition is something that we
:19:46. > :19:51.would have to treat with more than once in what, 60, 70, years. What
:19:51. > :19:56.we seek to do here is to build on what's gone before, but realising
:19:56. > :20:01.that our success or failure will depend upon the conditions and the
:20:01. > :20:04.circumstances which encouraged, some might even say forced us, into
:20:04. > :20:07.the coalition. That's the us a ter message which we have -- us a ter
:20:07. > :20:11.message which we have heard and one that seemed to me at least to be
:20:12. > :20:16.very well received. The mood here has been, to some extent, anxious
:20:16. > :20:20.and if Nick Clegg had said look we have turned the corner, all is
:20:20. > :20:24.going to be milk and honey, people like yourselves and indeed the
:20:24. > :20:28.delegates, would have been hiding - smiling behind their hands.
:20:28. > :20:33.Entirely realistic speech. Realism and commitment, not rhetoric.
:20:33. > :20:37.you seem to want now to be in a position, Mr Cable alluded to this
:20:37. > :20:44.in his speech, where had it been a party never in power, you want to
:20:44. > :20:47.see election results which mean you will always be in power? Well, you
:20:47. > :20:57.would hardly be surprised about that! But without winning an
:20:57. > :20:58.
:20:58. > :21:01.election. And it's very is he seductive. I joined the Liberal
:21:01. > :21:04.Democrats when there were six MPs. When I same an MP there were 18 of
:21:04. > :21:07.us and the notion of Government, of the kind of influence we have
:21:07. > :21:11.enjoyed and the kind of responsibility we have had to
:21:11. > :21:15.undertake seemed entirely remote. As Nick Clegg has quite properly
:21:15. > :21:19.said, a different party for different times. And if power and
:21:19. > :21:23.responsibility goes along with that, then he won't find any objection
:21:23. > :21:26.from any of the delegates here in Brighton. It's probably fair to say
:21:26. > :21:31.there was more muttering about Nick Clegg's leadership in the press
:21:31. > :21:36.than here in brighten to -- Brighton among the rank-and-file.
:21:36. > :21:41.But how secure will he be if the Lib Dems can't pull out of their
:21:41. > :21:45.slump in popularity? Adam Fleming took his moodbox out and tried to
:21:45. > :21:50.find out. We are asking delegates in 2015, do
:21:50. > :21:54.you want to be led by Nick or not? I am still for Nick. He's taken a
:21:54. > :22:00.lot of flack, the kind that would have crushed a normal politician
:22:01. > :22:07.like Ed or Cameron. Go on then, in there for the moment. Oh, no, it
:22:07. > :22:14.didn't go in! Is that a metaphor? A coded signal? Let's see if I can
:22:14. > :22:22.get it in. I missed again! Very loyal. Are you Pondering for
:22:22. > :22:26.dramatic effect? I don't have a viable alternative in mind. I
:22:26. > :22:30.admire Nick, I think he is very good. But I am not sure how much
:22:30. > :22:35.good it's going to do us in 2015. Any of you see yourself being
:22:36. > :22:40.leaders of the party in 20 years? want to be, you got to dream big...
:22:40. > :22:44.Is this you launching a leadership challenge? No. I am in the old
:22:44. > :22:49.enough. I wouldn't want to be leader of the party. Wye rather be
:22:49. > :22:53.Chief Whip. Straight away not, why not? The apology was the right
:22:53. > :22:58.thing to do, but it was two and a half years too late. I think we
:22:58. > :23:03.have lost many councillors, including me, and we lost seats at
:23:03. > :23:07.the last general election. We didn't gain seats. We need a fresh
:23:07. > :23:13.start now. It's the wrong Nick! Have you seen what we are doing
:23:13. > :23:22.today? Oh, Nick, well I have to put in... This is not who should stay
:23:22. > :23:27.as political editor. And that would look like a political judgment!
:23:27. > :23:36.Nick. What if he bailed out and went to work in in Brussels in 2014,
:23:36. > :23:39.would you be upset. I think I would be yes. I would vote for Tim Farron.
:23:39. > :23:42.Undoubtedly, he has a difficult job and he deserves three balls,
:23:42. > :23:50.definitely. You have ruined the science bit. You are ruling
:23:50. > :23:56.yourself out for leadership in 2015? Nick Clegg is the leader. Why
:23:56. > :24:00.would we dump him. Now I have to take out two of the balls. I just
:24:00. > :24:05.saw you very sheepishly voting for not, why is that? I was hoping no
:24:05. > :24:15.one would notice. Busted! I am on telly now. I think it's going to be
:24:15. > :24:16.
:24:16. > :24:20.like a Gordon Brown effect. Well, Nick, it's true, some of your
:24:20. > :24:25.party members don't want to you hang around until 2015. Look at the
:24:25. > :24:29.massive majority who do. I say stick that in your ball box,
:24:29. > :24:34.media, that's the real story, not the story that the media want to
:24:34. > :24:37.tell. Adam Fleming reporting. Here the
:24:37. > :24:40.conference took another sphaoeup at coalition -- swipe at coalition
:24:40. > :24:46.policy when they turned against proposals to strip away planning
:24:46. > :24:52.controls on home extensions. It, frankly, beggars belief that a
:24:52. > :24:55.surge in large extension building will do much to stimulate the local
:24:55. > :25:01.economy. Although it may do a huge amount to ruin relationships
:25:01. > :25:07.between neighbours and indeed further impoverish underfunded
:25:07. > :25:12.planning departments. This is no way to make policy.
:25:12. > :25:16.communication between central and local Government is one way, top
:25:16. > :25:22.down only. As a result, we councillors have been forced to
:25:22. > :25:25.implement poorly thought out policies, make ruthless cuts and
:25:25. > :25:30.defend regulations that can't be defended. Councillors are at the
:25:30. > :25:35.coal face of the changes Government want to implement. We are the ones
:25:35. > :25:39.charged with delivering change and implementing policy. So it would be
:25:39. > :25:45.nice if Government consulted with local councils for once, because we
:25:45. > :25:51.have a huge amount of experience and expertise. Conference, relaxing
:25:52. > :25:56.the planning laws is not a good idea. Most people who want an
:25:56. > :25:59.extension are not put off by the need to get planning consent. If
:25:59. > :26:04.they don't go ahead, it's because they haven't got the money to pay
:26:04. > :26:09.for the building work and this won't fix that. The people who are
:26:09. > :26:13.put off by the need to get planning consent are the ones who want to
:26:13. > :26:18.build monstrosities which wouldn't be allowed. Once the rules are
:26:18. > :26:22.relaxed, councils will not be able to protect people from overbearing,
:26:22. > :26:26.overlooking, ugly, inappropriate buildings next door to them.
:26:26. > :26:32.Not only did Labour leave us an appalling economic legacy, they
:26:32. > :26:36.left us an appalling building legacy, an unworkable centralised
:26:36. > :26:44.planning system, house-building at its lowest level since the 40s and
:26:44. > :26:47.a staggering 421,000 fewer social houses after 13 years in office. We
:26:47. > :26:52.can and should be proud of the role that Liberal Democrats have played
:26:52. > :26:57.in beginning to tackle these problems. I especially, however,
:26:57. > :27:03.understand your concerns in this motion. I am listening and I will
:27:03. > :27:07.feed them back to Government colleagues. It is not a done deal.
:27:07. > :27:11.There will be full consultation. I will share your views, but I hope
:27:11. > :27:16.you will make your views known, as well. Colleagues, there are many
:27:16. > :27:21.things in this package we can welcome. It does need to be
:27:21. > :27:27.improved. The glass is more than half-full, not half-empty. There
:27:27. > :27:31.was an architect and a politician. They were arguing about which was
:27:31. > :27:40.the oldest profession in the world. The architect said, it's obvious,
:27:40. > :27:44.it's in the Bible. Out of the chaos God created the world. Creation,
:27:44. > :27:50.it's construction, it's a building project. That's the oldest
:27:50. > :27:55.profession in the world. The politician said, read your bible.
:27:55. > :28:01.It says out of the chaos, God created the world. Who do you think
:28:01. > :28:07.created the chaos? LAUGHTER.
:28:07. > :28:12.The planning bill that's proposed, we have to decide whether it is
:28:12. > :28:16.chaos or construction. I am going to put to thu morning that what is
:28:16. > :28:20.being proposed, not by Nick Clegg, but by the Conservatives, is
:28:20. > :28:23.actually chaos. That's it for tonight and from the
:28:23. > :28:29.Lib Dem conference for another year. Things could have gone worse for
:28:29. > :28:32.the party hierarchy, there was no real mute mutiny against Nick Clegg
:28:32. > :28:35.and no real uprising against the trerbaries economic plan --
:28:35. > :28:38.Treasury's economic plan. Tpwu the Lib Dems fortunes are are tide to
:28:38. > :28:41.the economy they can't even hope for a political recovery for
:28:41. > :28:45.sometime yet. There's no guarantee they'll get the credit when that
:28:45. > :28:48.recovery comes. Power's better than opposition as Nick Clegg said t
:28:48. > :28:50.just doesn't feel like it. The conference roadshow moves on to