17/09/2016 - Live Fourth Session

:00:00. > :00:00.will be participating in thhs next session. Enjoy your tea. We'll see

:00:00. > :00:48.you in 20 minutes. APPLAUSE

:00:49. > :01:02.No pressure then. I just wanted to point this out.

:01:03. > :01:13.I contemplated ace-king for Elton John's song, I'm Still Standing to

:01:14. > :01:21.be played. And then I thought, I Get Knocked Down, I Get Up Again. I am

:01:22. > :01:25.honoured to be here. This is the first opportunity I have had to

:01:26. > :01:30.speak to conference in our historic win in the Welsh assembly elections.

:01:31. > :01:40.Since are even more historic and just most amazing win of thd

:01:41. > :01:45.referendum. Can you hear me now I will just reiterate, this is the

:01:46. > :01:48.first opportunity I have had to speak here at conference since our

:01:49. > :01:55.historic win in the Welsh assembly elections. I appreciate manx of you

:01:56. > :02:04.are aware of a little bit of turmoil that has been going on in the

:02:05. > :02:12.principality, to say the le`st. I was elected as an MEP in 2004. When

:02:13. > :02:19.I knew I'd won, I turned to my wife and I said, I have just been given a

:02:20. > :02:28.front row seat to history. APPLAUSE

:02:29. > :02:37.I didn't realise it was onlx going to take two years. I don't think

:02:38. > :02:39.anybody did. I have had somd amazing experiences, and some absolttely

:02:40. > :02:49.wonderful opportunities over these last few years. I started in the UK

:02:50. > :02:53.12 years ago. I was just a foot soldier, somebody who believed in

:02:54. > :02:58.the cause, went to my branch meetings, sometimes raised ly

:02:59. > :03:13.eyebrows at some of the things being said, but realised that ulthmately,

:03:14. > :03:18.we were all kin and we had the same desire, belief this great n`tion. I

:03:19. > :03:24.gave up my time, skills and my abilities and somehow over the

:03:25. > :03:30.years, I rose within Ukip and found myself in an opportunity to really

:03:31. > :03:41.make a difference for the p`rty in Wales. And I did that utterly

:03:42. > :03:44.because I believed, wholehe`rtedly, that Wales would vote to le`ve the

:03:45. > :03:55.EU. I knew it. APPLAUSE

:03:56. > :04:01.I had much, much better things to be doing with my time, then drhving all

:04:02. > :04:06.over Wales at my own expensd, for the purpose of setting up branches,

:04:07. > :04:12.meeting with and supporting people and giving them 100% vision we were

:04:13. > :04:25.going to do it. I did it because I knew somehow, somehow, we wdre going

:04:26. > :04:30.to do it. Now, in the 2009 Duropean elections, I was given the huge task

:04:31. > :04:34.of being the campaign managdr. I had never done anything like thhs

:04:35. > :04:38.before. I had common sense `nd I realised you had to organisd things

:04:39. > :04:41.and get people motivated. Dtring that campaign we had about 02

:04:42. > :04:49.activists during the whole of Wales. 12 people. We would go and leaflets

:04:50. > :04:54.and campaign in one village, jump in the car and drive 20 miles, do it

:04:55. > :04:59.again. We hopped all over W`les doing these activities. The

:05:00. > :05:05.opposition thought we had this huge army that were going out thdre. It

:05:06. > :05:09.was early days, things were going to improve. I remember watching the

:05:10. > :05:15.television and the Labour MDP, who didn't win the seat, becausd they

:05:16. > :05:19.had two prior to this. She was complaining, and because of the

:05:20. > :05:23.expenses scandal, we couldn't get our activists out there but Ukip

:05:24. > :05:30.could motivate all of their members. I was like, yes, right!

:05:31. > :05:36.APPLAUSE I think back to those wonderful

:05:37. > :05:40.heady days, when certain thhngs happen and you think, wasn't it much

:05:41. > :05:47.easier and happier. But there we are. In the 2014 campaign, we did

:05:48. > :05:52.the most amazing thing, we dither came first or second in every single

:05:53. > :05:58.local region within Wales. Dach of the counties. We came second by only

:05:59. > :06:05.5400 votes to Labour. We did a phenomenal job. By then we did have

:06:06. > :06:10.a big army of helpers. Nigel was on the television all the time and I

:06:11. > :06:19.was able to get quite a lot of television. In the first wedk, I had

:06:20. > :06:25.more television and radio than John button was able to get as hhs few

:06:26. > :06:29.years as an MP. We raised the profile and be changed and

:06:30. > :06:35.challenged what people's perception of Ukip was. We weren't an `rmy of

:06:36. > :06:39.angry old men, we were an army of decent men and women, who jtst

:06:40. > :06:46.believed in our country. Th`t's it. Be all and end all. Nothing more to

:06:47. > :06:48.it. We wanted our children `nd grandchildren to have a fred nation

:06:49. > :07:01.in the same way we had. APPLAUSE

:07:02. > :07:06.In the general election campaign, we actually increased our vote. It was

:07:07. > :07:09.unbelievable, we got more votes in the general election than wd did in

:07:10. > :07:15.the European Union election, which was our election.

:07:16. > :07:20.APPLAUSE And again, it was because hd

:07:21. > :07:25.challenged those perceptions, we let people know and understand, this is

:07:26. > :07:30.who we are, we are just decdnt, regular people. That is what we did,

:07:31. > :07:34.that was our aim, our target and that is what we focused on.

:07:35. > :07:40.Challenging those false perceptions of who we are and what we wdre

:07:41. > :07:48.standing for. Of course, we don t also was promised the referdndum. I

:07:49. > :07:52.could see now, there is a lhght at the end of the tunnel and it's not a

:07:53. > :07:58.train coming towards me, we are going to do this, we are gohng to

:07:59. > :08:04.win. We had the Welsh assembly elections and despite all of the

:08:05. > :08:10.internal wranglings and problems we had, we made history, we were the

:08:11. > :08:13.first party to break into the Welsh assembly. It was a phenomen`l

:08:14. > :08:23.achievement, it really was. APPLAUSE

:08:24. > :08:33.I actually have the humilitx to understand that it wasn't bdcause of

:08:34. > :08:37.me, that I was elected, it was because of Nigel Farage, evdrybody

:08:38. > :08:54.knows who years, but everybody has an opinion of him... Mind the gap.

:08:55. > :09:00.Do I get any extra time for this? LAUGHTER.

:09:01. > :09:06.I think Nigel would say, yot couldn't make it up. There we go. I

:09:07. > :09:13.have forgotten what I was s`ying! In any case, I am humble. I have

:09:14. > :09:19.probably got a lot to be hulble about. I realise I got two votes

:09:20. > :09:23.because of me. My mum and mx wife. Everybody else voted becausd of the

:09:24. > :09:31.party name and because of Nhgel Farage and because of what he did.

:09:32. > :09:38.APPLAUSE I must claim a slight bit of, you

:09:39. > :09:42.know, I did go through the hell of the television debates and `ll of

:09:43. > :09:47.the cameras, cooking in the kitchen and interviews and all of that kind

:09:48. > :09:55.of stuff, it was very surre`l and bizarre, let me tell you. Btt we did

:09:56. > :09:59.it. We did it because we had this voice, we were the only people who

:10:00. > :10:03.could speak to Conservatives and Labour and Plaid Cymru and `ll the

:10:04. > :10:08.rest of them, and they were willing to vote for. We did it becatse we

:10:09. > :10:14.had that presentation to thdm. People would say to me, you know,

:10:15. > :10:18.you're nothing like what we thought Ukip would be like. And isn't that a

:10:19. > :10:25.wonderful thing? I think it is. APPLAUSE

:10:26. > :10:31.Because the only thing they thought we were like, it is because what the

:10:32. > :10:35.media told them we were likd, and of course it is completely untrue.

:10:36. > :10:41.APPLAUSE I truly, truly believe in mx

:10:42. > :10:46.country. I really do. If I didn t, I wouldn't be here right now, I would

:10:47. > :10:51.be in America, my wife is Alerican, I would be over there, the weather

:10:52. > :10:56.is better, you can go skiing in the winter. But there is nowherd better

:10:57. > :11:02.than this land. I have been all over, so I know, hand on he`rt.

:11:03. > :11:07.There is nobody better than the British people. I was in Amdrica for

:11:08. > :11:12.three months and I was visiting my sisters, who are over there. When I

:11:13. > :11:18.came back, the first Flight full of Americans. Second flight, I could

:11:19. > :11:25.hear at the back of the plane, the Scouse accent. Normally I would

:11:26. > :11:29.be... No offence. But it was like an angel singing to me, to hear a

:11:30. > :11:35.British accent after so long. APPLAUSE

:11:36. > :11:41.It was so lovely to be home. And that is why I got up in the morning

:11:42. > :11:45.at four o'clock and got in ly car and drove six hours to do a ten

:11:46. > :11:52.minute radio interview in C`rdiff and then drove the four and a half

:11:53. > :11:56.hours back again. Because wd have got a message to give. We h`ve a

:11:57. > :12:02.story to tell and we have a nation that was worth fighting and

:12:03. > :12:07.sacrificing for. Quite frankly, I cannot tell you how honoured I am to

:12:08. > :12:12.have been given a role and ` part in this. In the referendum campaign, I

:12:13. > :12:17.was campaigning in Llandudno because some of you will know because we had

:12:18. > :12:20.our conference there. I was at the stall and this older gentlelan

:12:21. > :12:30.walked by and he said, you should know better at your age. And I said,

:12:31. > :12:36.you don't know how old I am. He turned around and he came b`ck to

:12:37. > :12:40.have a go. He said, do you know anything at all about Europd? I said

:12:41. > :12:45.yes, I am an MEP. LAUGHTER.

:12:46. > :13:00.APPLAUSE He then said, yes, but when was the

:13:01. > :13:06.last time you went to the Somme I said, I was there yesterday. Then he

:13:07. > :13:13.realised he wasn't going to win First of all, I was ass to, when I

:13:14. > :13:20.voted in the referendum, if the BBC could come and video me and fill me

:13:21. > :13:25.for their news articles. As I was walking in, this lovely, little

:13:26. > :13:30.Welsh couple came up to me, they were coming out. They stoppdd me and

:13:31. > :13:37.the gentleman grabbed hold of my hand and held it like this. He said,

:13:38. > :13:43.I want you to know that I jtst voted to leave the EU.

:13:44. > :13:48.APPLAUSE I said, thank you very much, but you

:13:49. > :13:59.didn't do it for me, you did it for the nation, didn't you? He said

:14:00. > :14:05.well, I am a member of playdd Camry, and I want Wales to leave the United

:14:06. > :14:11.Kingdom. So I was like, thank you very much. But at that point, I knew

:14:12. > :14:16.we were going to do it in any case, I had faith we were going to do it.

:14:17. > :14:22.But the faith turn to knowlddge At that point I knew. If played Camry

:14:23. > :14:28.are voting for us to leave the EU, we have got this. I was driving to

:14:29. > :14:32.London, I was invited to be at the hub of everything involving Nigel at

:14:33. > :14:39.the counter. I was driving down and I was analysing myself. And I said,

:14:40. > :14:45.I don't feel nervous. I don't feel anxious. I was listening to the

:14:46. > :14:49.news, thinking about the eldction. I was as calm as a summer's d`y. And I

:14:50. > :14:57.thought, we have definitely got this. As the results were coming in,

:14:58. > :15:01.it was the most surreal and wonderful experience. The vdry first

:15:02. > :15:06.thing I did when I got therd, I was called to do and interview for Irish

:15:07. > :15:09.TV. As I was doing the interview, there was like an explosion of

:15:10. > :15:14.journalists running around `nd pointing to their iPods. Thd

:15:15. > :15:18.journalist interviewing me said Nigel Farage, your leader h`s just

:15:19. > :15:26.conceded defeat. Do you concede defeat?

:15:27. > :15:34.I said Wales will vote to ldave the EU and Britain will vote to leave

:15:35. > :15:39.the EU, wait and see. That hs what happened. It became clear at about

:15:40. > :15:45.three o'clock that we have definitely done it. Then Nigel and a

:15:46. > :15:50.few of us went to a quiet house where he just needed to contemplate

:15:51. > :15:58.and think before he made thhs huge speech before the world medha. I was

:15:59. > :16:04.in a room with him, there w`s just the two of us. I don't think he was

:16:05. > :16:08.praying but he could have bden. I said, Nigel, do you realise that you

:16:09. > :16:19.have just overthrown the Brhtish Government?

:16:20. > :16:45.APPLAUSE And then I said, the - to boot, the EU as well. And hd looked

:16:46. > :16:52.up, and said, yes, I have, haven't I? What a man! The word hero is

:16:53. > :16:59.banded around too liberally in this country. Footballers are not heroes,

:17:00. > :17:10.they get paid too much to bd heroes. I have but one political hero, and

:17:11. > :17:14.that is Nigel Farage, a man who .. APPLAUSE A man who I decided very

:17:15. > :17:20.early on, if I want to be stccessful in politics and get our country

:17:21. > :17:26.back, get behind Nigel, and that's exactly what I did. I chose that I

:17:27. > :17:32.would back Nigel, come what may and I was one of his most loyal

:17:33. > :17:40.lieutenants, certainly in W`les And I now am here to say to you that we

:17:41. > :17:44.have a new leader, Diane Jales, and I'm so grateful that the melbership

:17:45. > :18:00.of this party made the corrdct decision and voted for her. APPLAUSE

:18:01. > :18:04.My message to all of us, at this time in our party's juncturd is very

:18:05. > :18:10.clear. We get behind our leader and we go

:18:11. > :18:16.forward and we become the official opposition or we argue and we split

:18:17. > :18:21.and we think it is about us and we think it is about how much ledia

:18:22. > :18:28.time I get or whatever the silly things are, and we fail and fade

:18:29. > :18:33.away into the party... Do you remember that party? Let's get

:18:34. > :18:41.behind our leader, let's unhte and let's become the official opposition

:18:42. > :20:41.in Great Britain. APPLAUSE

:20:42. > :20:48.Ladies and gentlemen, good `fternoon again. I hope you enjoyed dhnner. If

:20:49. > :21:04.you wouldn't mind taking yotr seats, please.

:21:05. > :21:14.OK, we are now going to movd on our hour-long motions session. Thank you

:21:15. > :21:19.to all of you who submitted motions, I had over 50 in the end so we did

:21:20. > :21:25.what we could to pick out for five that offered variety, and cdrtainly

:21:26. > :21:32.those that were most popular. Not surprisingly we had many submissions

:21:33. > :21:47.about regionalisation our -, of our governing body. Hopefully you all

:21:48. > :21:51.have your meeting cards. Be the jewel is going to take on board what

:21:52. > :21:57.you said and write a report for the NEC.

:21:58. > :22:03.# Peter jewel. I want to make one point if I may and it is spdcific to

:22:04. > :22:08.the motion regarding regionalisation. The NEC met at the

:22:09. > :22:13.start of this month and it was raised that a debate on

:22:14. > :22:18.regionalisation hasn't been tabled at previous conferences. Thd NEC

:22:19. > :22:24.wanted me to give you an assurance that they will take into

:22:25. > :22:28.consideration all votes on `ll motions today, but particul`rly on

:22:29. > :22:35.regionalisation, and if it hs supported today, they themsdlves

:22:36. > :22:42.will set into motion for putting that into place in the future.

:22:43. > :22:58.Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to hand you over to Peter. Thank you,

:22:59. > :23:03.this is quite a complicated process but I will take you through the

:23:04. > :23:14.basic rules. The party chairman has selected the motions. They will be

:23:15. > :23:20.considered at the sole discretion of the chairman who has delegated those

:23:21. > :23:25.powers to me. Because of tile constraints, we will not consider

:23:26. > :23:30.any amendments to the proposals because otherwise one could take all

:23:31. > :23:34.day, but it gives a very good indication to the NEC and the powers

:23:35. > :23:41.that be, your views on thesd different motions. I will rdad each

:23:42. > :23:47.motion, and the rules are qtite simple. If I can find them, and I

:23:48. > :23:55.will read them out to you. The proposal of the motion may speak for

:23:56. > :24:03.three minutes in support of the motion. Two other speakers lay speak

:24:04. > :24:09.two minutes. One speaker max speak in opposition to the motion for up

:24:10. > :24:13.to three minutes, and two other speakers may speak for up to two

:24:14. > :24:24.minutes in opposition to thd motion. Because of time, I will stop you on

:24:25. > :24:27.the time, as it comes, and hf we can have... If you are going to do it

:24:28. > :24:36.from here, which is the best place to do it from so we can herd, I will

:24:37. > :24:40.bring up the proposer and wd will decide on the two people who will

:24:41. > :24:47.speak from the audience if they put their hands up as we come to them. I

:24:48. > :24:54.will start with the first one. Base Ukip branches on district councils/

:24:55. > :25:00.local authorities with posshbilities of Council ward sub branches within

:25:01. > :25:04.the council area instead of branches based on Parliamentary

:25:05. > :25:09.constituencies. To win national elections we must first win local

:25:10. > :25:15.councils. We need and local councillors first before we can hope

:25:16. > :25:19.to win MPs in significant ntmbers. The proposed new Parliament`ry

:25:20. > :25:22.boundaries across different local authority boundaries with no

:25:23. > :25:28.connection to each other and will make fighting local elections

:25:29. > :25:33.difficult. We fight more eldctions locally and nationally. Loc`l

:25:34. > :25:38.branches build-up membership support, local knowledge, and get

:25:39. > :25:41.people elected, which benefht Ukip MP candidates. With branches based

:25:42. > :25:49.on local authorities in orddr to select Parliamentary candid`tes all

:25:50. > :25:54.members shall live in a particularly Parliamentary constituency, would be

:25:55. > :25:58.invited to attend and vote ` one-off special adoption meeting. The

:25:59. > :26:01.Parliamentary candidates wotld work and coordinate with the different

:26:02. > :26:11.branches as they would do if elected MP. The proposer is Christine

:26:12. > :26:18.Forrester. Do we have Christine Forrester? Would you like to come up

:26:19. > :26:23.to there. The second is Bri`n Forrester, if you would likd to be

:26:24. > :26:29.one of the people who speak, or perhaps we can take two people who

:26:30. > :26:36.can speak for the motion, including Brian Forrester. Can I have any

:26:37. > :26:46.hands, please? That gentlem`n there, can you come up. If anybody else

:26:47. > :26:59.wants to speak for the motion? No. Against is Stewart Agni... Where is

:27:00. > :27:07.Stewart? If somebody can just give him a nudge. Three others h`ve also

:27:08. > :27:12.supported that. Can I have two others who would like to spdak

:27:13. > :27:20.against the motion from the floor? Just wait down there. Anybody else

:27:21. > :27:29.against? Right, thank you. Would you like to come and wait there as well.

:27:30. > :27:36.Christine, would you like to start your three minutes, starting from

:27:37. > :27:49.now. I'm not really very professional at this. Hang on. Where

:27:50. > :27:55.do you want me? There? It's a good job you didn't hear that. Rdally, I

:27:56. > :28:00.didn't write this proposal, I merely saw it outside and I thought it was

:28:01. > :28:09.a jolly good idea to second this proposal because while experiencing

:28:10. > :28:14.elections, local and Parlialentary, I have done an awful lot of

:28:15. > :28:18.canvassing and dealt with an awful lot of people in various

:28:19. > :28:30.communities. Branches throughout the South of England. And the bhggest

:28:31. > :28:36.problem with large branches is that elderly people or people who cannot

:28:37. > :28:45.get on buses etc, are not able to attend branch meetings. It hs very

:28:46. > :28:51.difficult for them to assimhlate themselves into a Ukip organisation,

:28:52. > :29:08.so I feel that if we were to divide the branches up, only for sort of

:29:09. > :29:11.canvassing etc and membershhp organisations, to have smaller

:29:12. > :29:20.little branches within branches that were able to speak to the chairman

:29:21. > :29:24.of the whole Parliamentary `rea I have found great difficulty with

:29:25. > :29:29.elderly people who said thex would love to join Ukip and they follow

:29:30. > :29:35.everything we do, but they cannot travel. For example, I have just

:29:36. > :29:42.moved to Wiltshire, and so Wiltshire, it is from local sure all

:29:43. > :29:47.the way to Wiltshire. Travelling time is across the Salisburx Plain,

:29:48. > :29:53.which, if you have got a lot of tanks moving can take quite a while.

:29:54. > :30:02.We have a lot of soldiers and a lot of military people out that way But

:30:03. > :30:06.elderly people, who really, really are our base for elections, really

:30:07. > :30:11.want to help and really want to become members, but as soon as I

:30:12. > :30:14.say, well, you will have to go to Amesbury, that's our headqu`rters so

:30:15. > :30:29.to speak, no we cannot do that. I cannot join, it is not possible

:30:30. > :30:37.for me. In elections, if we make smaller sections within a branch for

:30:38. > :30:43.people to coordinate with pdople that are just joining and to help

:30:44. > :30:50.them get to know their neighbours. We all here, I cannot do th`t, I

:30:51. > :30:54.cannot go that far. But if xou make it smaller sections, people can

:30:55. > :30:59.either do their street, thex get to know their neighbours, it m`kes it a

:31:00. > :31:04.more personal involvement. H think that's what we need to do, gather

:31:05. > :31:09.more members and memberships would be the ideal work until we have the

:31:10. > :31:19.new elections. Be they locally or Parliamentary. It is a real bu that

:31:20. > :31:29.lots of people are missing out on a wonderful Parliamentary Way of life.

:31:30. > :31:47.Thank you very much. Who is the first proposer, going to spdak? Can

:31:48. > :31:56.I have your name please. Two minutes starting from now. Good aftdrnoon

:31:57. > :32:02.conference. I have had some branches who wrote to me with regards to

:32:03. > :32:06.this. We have many difficulties fighting local elections with

:32:07. > :32:10.boundaries crossing over from Parliamentary boundaries. What can

:32:11. > :32:16.we do about it? Every time there is a local election, and we can all

:32:17. > :32:20.agree, local elections happdn more often than Parliamentary eldctions,

:32:21. > :32:26.branches have to communicatd, speak to different branches as to where

:32:27. > :32:30.the lines will be drawn. We had across branch meeting this week to

:32:31. > :32:39.discuss next year's county divisions which again split branches. If we

:32:40. > :32:41.were to have branches on local council district authority wards, it

:32:42. > :32:45.would be easier. When it coles to the Parliamentary election, all you

:32:46. > :32:48.have to do is attend the Parliamentary adoption husthngs for

:32:49. > :32:53.which ever Parliamentary constituency you live in. It is as

:32:54. > :32:59.simple as it gets. When Ukip decided to change from regional membership

:33:00. > :33:05.areas to Parliamentary boundaries, it was right for the time, but now

:33:06. > :33:08.we have grown as a party, pdrhaps we need to look at the structure. It

:33:09. > :33:12.would be simple for memberships geographically to increase their

:33:13. > :33:18.membership. When the Parlialentary boundaries change, if you h`ve seen

:33:19. > :33:23.the proposals, but many branches are going to cease to be, including

:33:24. > :33:27.deadly, which is one of the biggest branches in Nottinghamshire. It will

:33:28. > :33:32.be torn up between four othdr Parliamentary boundaries. This

:33:33. > :33:37.branch, ladies and John Simon will cease to be and it was one of the

:33:38. > :33:41.very few branches which man`ge to get a full slate of candidates in

:33:42. > :33:47.the local elections. They whll not be able to do that, if they are not

:33:48. > :33:51.here to do it. This is the lotion I would like to put forward to the

:33:52. > :33:56.conference. Thank you for your support. The second supportdr of

:33:57. > :34:14.this motion. No one. Let's love on then. Against the motion... Thanks.

:34:15. > :34:19.Good afternoon Ukip. When I read this, I thought it might work in

:34:20. > :34:23.some areas. However, we havd just heard from the proposer who is

:34:24. > :34:28.concerned about one of the branches will cease to exist when thdir

:34:29. > :34:32.constituency is broken apart and the boundaries are read drawn. What this

:34:33. > :34:40.motion would do is dissolve all existing Ukip branches based on

:34:41. > :34:44.local government districts. This is going to be difficult for l`rge

:34:45. > :34:47.parts of the country becausd Parliamentary constituencies are

:34:48. > :34:51.approximately the same size, or they will be when the outdated boundaries

:34:52. > :34:58.are withdrawn. In my area, ` Metropolitan Borough called Kirklees

:34:59. > :35:05.in West Yorkshire, has a population of over 400,000, an area of 150

:35:06. > :35:11.square miles of steep, ruggdd Pennine train. If he moves to an

:35:12. > :35:18.all-out election it will be difficult for a branch. There is for

:35:19. > :35:25.civil parishes in the distrhct as well. I don't think it is going to

:35:26. > :35:28.work for us and it will cause massive workloads for branch offices

:35:29. > :35:31.in some areas. It will be h`rder to recruit officers. We have more

:35:32. > :35:39.ranchers. In our Parliament`ry constituencies, we have thrde, soon

:35:40. > :35:45.to be four. I would not want to be the chairman of a branch covering

:35:46. > :35:48.the whole of Kirklees. The hdeal of council ward sub branches is

:35:49. > :35:52.interesting, but I think thdy would be too small and would put lore

:35:53. > :35:57.layers between members and the National party. Not only wotld this

:35:58. > :36:05.motion force branches to manage multiple constituencies, but it also

:36:06. > :36:11.means constituency branches... If you don't want to lose officers

:36:12. > :36:15.members and lose votes, ple`se stand up for your branches which xou

:36:16. > :36:24.already have. Vote against this motion. Thank you very much. Thank

:36:25. > :36:30.you, Alex. He will speak in support, to be against the motion? If you

:36:31. > :36:37.just give your name and your branch, it would be helpful. Good afternoon,

:36:38. > :36:44.conference. My name is Peter Baker. I have been a member of Ukip for 16

:36:45. > :36:46.years. I have been on a conference committee, East Midlands colmittee

:36:47. > :36:53.and I am currently treasurer of the Rutland and Melton branch. The

:36:54. > :36:58.constituency association. Wd have only become that recently, because

:36:59. > :37:03.up until this spring, we also incorporated Harborough

:37:04. > :37:07.constituency. We are also involved with annex constituency on the other

:37:08. > :37:12.side, which is Grantham and Stamford. The reason we do this is

:37:13. > :37:18.because by having joint meetings, we get a decent number of people

:37:19. > :37:24.present. There are not enough people in the party to fulfil the hntention

:37:25. > :37:28.of the motion. In my opinion. Because when you move out of

:37:29. > :37:35.conurbations into the country, you will find distances prevail. We are

:37:36. > :37:40.very largely 80 people, not many as old as me, but that is another

:37:41. > :37:47.story. The thing is, getting people to be active is much more e`sier

:37:48. > :37:53.when you have a group to work from. Rutland and Melton has 89 mdmbers.

:37:54. > :38:00.But at our meetings we are very lucky to get two doesn't. It falls

:38:01. > :38:06.upon the younger people. I have been relegated to driving the car now,

:38:07. > :38:14.which is better than the le`fleting. 15 seconds. Thank you. I oppose

:38:15. > :38:19.this, I think this motion would divide the party, and I think we

:38:20. > :38:25.should be delighted, not division. APPLAUSE

:38:26. > :38:35.Do we have a second person to speak against it? Right, thereford the

:38:36. > :38:55.motion is now to the voter. And the conference should decide on firstly,

:38:56. > :39:04.are they for the motion? Right, let's have four read. What colours

:39:05. > :39:15.have you got? Red and yellow. Yellow is for, and red is against. Can we

:39:16. > :39:31.just have the yellow to start with. Can I now have the red. Therefore, I

:39:32. > :39:37.think the people have spoken against it. They will succeed, yes. The

:39:38. > :39:47.motion fails. APPLAUSE

:39:48. > :39:55.Right, the next motion is conference proposes the election of melbers to

:39:56. > :39:59.the party's governing body, currently the NEC, be changdd from

:40:00. > :40:05.the existing national procedure to one based on regional

:40:06. > :40:15.representation. It is proposed by Nigel Challis. It is seconddd by

:40:16. > :40:21.Alan Blumenthal. Against Ms Stuart Agnew and various others, btt it is

:40:22. > :40:27.just against, Stuart Agnew. Speaking first is Nigel Challis. Would you

:40:28. > :40:33.like to come up please? Can I have two people who would like to speak

:40:34. > :40:41.for it? One here, do we havd another one speaking for it? We havd to have

:40:42. > :40:46.two. Right, one. And Stuart Agnew, against. Would you like to come up?

:40:47. > :40:50.Can we have two or the people who would like... Thank you likd to come

:40:51. > :41:10.up? Anybody else like to spdak? Are you ready? You have thrde

:41:11. > :41:19.minutes to speak for this motion. I will, to make it simple, whdn it is

:41:20. > :41:23.15 seconds to go, I will knock like this. Starting from now. Good

:41:24. > :41:27.afternoon, I have a problem this afternoon, I am against Stu`rt

:41:28. > :41:32.Agnew, so please clap all you like through my little three minttes and

:41:33. > :41:36.if I get a yellow card, I whll be very, very happy and I will have a

:41:37. > :41:40.bigger head than Stewart. The proposal is there should be regional

:41:41. > :41:44.representation on the National committee. It is a motion I was

:41:45. > :41:48.asked to put forward to the conference by my regional committee

:41:49. > :41:53.and following pressure from the membership. It is democracy in

:41:54. > :41:58.action. I am aware this subject has been discussed in the past `nd

:41:59. > :42:05.rejected. I don't really know why. I was told by a senior member in my

:42:06. > :42:09.area that it was because Ukhp wanted to go nationally and not regionally.

:42:10. > :42:15.I don't know if it is true. In Cornwall we operate a branch system.

:42:16. > :42:19.It is a very simple branch system. A representative of that branch

:42:20. > :42:22.attends the county branch mdeting, usually the chairman. If thd

:42:23. > :42:28.chairman is not available, someone else is sent. In that way, `ll the

:42:29. > :42:33.views of Cornwall are represented. We have six branches represdnting

:42:34. > :42:44.the six constituencies. Thex are all different. What would the mdmbers

:42:45. > :42:48.think if three or four membdrs on a county committee came from ` certain

:42:49. > :42:53.part of Cornwall. We are all different, some are into fishing,

:42:54. > :42:57.some are more agriculture. Ht is Ronchi NEC, certainly in thd

:42:58. > :43:01.south-west, when we have a south-western meeting, we h`ve no

:43:02. > :43:05.representation at national level. I don't see why we shouldn't have We

:43:06. > :43:12.have good people in Cornwall as any other part. I think we should be

:43:13. > :43:15.represented and I think the West Midlands showed, Scotland, Wales.

:43:16. > :43:29.Everyone is different. We h`ve had speakers today from all parts of the

:43:30. > :43:32.country. Quite right. I urgd stew to make me very happy and vote yellow.

:43:33. > :43:40.Thank you very much. APPLAUSE

:43:41. > :43:44.Just give your name and and area. My name is Alan Blumenthal. We have

:43:45. > :43:49.just had leadership elections and the leadership candidates h`d to

:43:50. > :43:53.travel the length and breadth of the UK to meet some, and I stress some

:43:54. > :43:59.of our membership. It is not possible for people wishing to stand

:44:00. > :44:05.for the NEC. We are therefore left with a situation of what do we know?

:44:06. > :44:11.We have an magazine sent out with a picture of the candidates and with a

:44:12. > :44:16.few words. If I was to put ly few words, I would say, I was proud to

:44:17. > :44:20.be British, proud to be a United Kingdom citizen, proud to bd from

:44:21. > :44:23.Birmingham, I have stood for the local council, I have stood the

:44:24. > :44:27.Parliaments, all for Ukip. But that wouldn't be enough for you to

:44:28. > :44:32.decide. I would also like to say and do something which I wouldn't be

:44:33. > :44:38.able to do at a Labour Partx conference. If I did that there I

:44:39. > :44:43.would be heckled, possibly have my windows bricked and I may h`ve death

:44:44. > :44:44.threats. I would like to sax that I am Jewish...

:44:45. > :44:59.APPLAUSE And I am proud to say that H can say

:45:00. > :45:07.that without fear at a Ukip meeting. APPLAUSE.

:45:08. > :45:11.I believe that we should have some form of regional election so that

:45:12. > :45:15.people at least have a chance to have regional meetings so they can

:45:16. > :45:20.meet the candidates and find out something about them. I would like

:45:21. > :45:28.to take the opportunity... Sorry, your time is up. I have got to keep

:45:29. > :45:32.to time... I just wanted to say I wish to support Diane James in

:45:33. > :45:44.making whatever changes she wishes to make as the new leader. @PPLAUSE

:45:45. > :45:51.We don't have a second one speaking in favour, do we?

:45:52. > :46:03.We have selected two to spe`k in favour, and two to speak ag`inst.

:46:04. > :46:09.Whoever is going to do in f`vour. Well, hello again. You have two

:46:10. > :46:15.minutes. Thank you. Another reason for this motion is that it will

:46:16. > :46:19.prevent new members pulling the election papers after only `

:46:20. > :46:25.-year-old two in the party. We recently a choice of up to 40

:46:26. > :46:30.candidates for three vacanches. We know nothing about most of them We

:46:31. > :46:36.can only go on a few words that they have subscribed. They haven't earned

:46:37. > :46:41.their corn in the party, yet they seem to influence how the p`rty

:46:42. > :46:48.conducts itself. By this proposal, we will have to be fed... Motions

:46:49. > :46:55.will have to be fed up the chain because I believe that the NEC

:46:56. > :47:03.should primarily comprise the 1 regional chairman, much as H hate

:47:04. > :47:08.the word regional. That way, fair representation of the whole of the

:47:09. > :47:15.United Kingdom is assured is not dominated by one region due to this

:47:16. > :47:23.multiplicity of candidates. Therefore, I suggest... No, I do

:47:24. > :47:32.more than that, I commend to you this motion to pass through to the

:47:33. > :47:40.NEC. Thank you. To speak ag`inst the motion, Stewart. You have got three

:47:41. > :47:45.minutes, starting from now. 30 years ago there were regions, why have we

:47:46. > :47:53.got them? Because they were forced on us by the EU. Why? Because they

:47:54. > :47:57.wanted MEPs elected on a regional basis and not only do they say we

:47:58. > :48:02.had to have regions, they ddfined the regions. This is a totally EU

:48:03. > :48:10.construct, and they deliber`tely defined them in a way to brdak up

:48:11. > :48:14.the UK so by going this route we are following the example of our

:48:15. > :48:20.colonial masters, you might say The word representation is here. This

:48:21. > :48:23.isn't about representation. Representation is done at rdgional

:48:24. > :48:28.chairman 's meeting, we just heard about that, there is such a thing.

:48:29. > :48:36.That's where the representation is done. The NEC is there to drive the

:48:37. > :48:41.party and we need talent, and we mustn't restrict talent bec`use if

:48:42. > :48:46.you have some highly capabld people in the south-east, and you `re

:48:47. > :48:51.likely to because it is far bigger, only one of that pool of talent can

:48:52. > :48:57.go through. It is anti-democratic. By having one person vote for the

:48:58. > :49:02.NEC across the whole countrx you cannot get pure democracy than that.

:49:03. > :49:07.I think anyone on the NEC should have stood for the party at once and

:49:08. > :49:12.should have been a member for two or three years, I fully believd in

:49:13. > :49:16.that. But in the days of people saying visit my website, yot can

:49:17. > :49:24.find out about the candidatds, you can ring them up, they have a right

:49:25. > :49:29.to do it. The choice is this. What is the NEC? Is it there to drive us

:49:30. > :49:35.nationally forward with a m`ndate and a set of policies, or is it just

:49:36. > :49:39.going to be a collection of squabbling euro regions. I lentioned

:49:40. > :49:46.having to follow our coloni`l masters, which is what the DU is,

:49:47. > :49:50.and there is a precedent for this, Africa. Isn't Africa a wonddrfully

:49:51. > :50:03.wrong continent? Thank you very much. APPLAUSE.

:50:04. > :50:05.Wright, the first person to speak against the motion for two linutes.

:50:06. > :50:21.Just give me your name and branch. Hello, I am from Ashford Kent branch

:50:22. > :50:27.and I would like to ask you to vote against this because I think it is

:50:28. > :50:31.too simplistic. I have been on the national executive of the L`bour

:50:32. > :50:34.Party, I have been on the N`tional Executive of a trade union

:50:35. > :50:40.organisation, and they were both born in totally different w`ys that

:50:41. > :50:45.suit to that organisation. @nd I think if we were allowed to have

:50:46. > :50:50.submitted amendments, I would have had an amendment referring ht back

:50:51. > :50:55.to the NEC asking them to bring a report next year and asking us to

:50:56. > :51:01.vote on the report for the system that best suit Ukip. We are a new

:51:02. > :51:09.party, we are doing politics in a different way let's have our NEC in

:51:10. > :51:14.the way that suits us. I'm sure there are members hitting hdre and I

:51:15. > :51:23.would ask them to bring that report to us next year. Let's make an

:51:24. > :51:29.informed decision, a decision that suits us, that is right for us and

:51:30. > :51:37.that is not modelled on any construct, especially one that comes

:51:38. > :51:41.from the EU - thank you, Stdwart. Thank you, and the second pdrson.

:51:42. > :51:54.That comment about the report of the NEC will be in my report to the NEC.

:51:55. > :52:04.There is a proposer, and thdn two people can speak against it and two

:52:05. > :52:13.people can speak for it. And you are against the motion? And you are the

:52:14. > :52:22.second one. You are speaking for or against it? I'm speaking ag`inst.

:52:23. > :52:47.Yes, that's right. Sorry. I thought there was three in the

:52:48. > :53:04.first one... Please come back. Are we agreed that we have thred people

:53:05. > :53:18.speaking for it? I'm taking notes. And Mr Baker, Peter Baker spoke for

:53:19. > :53:26.it, correct? Right, carry on. You have two minutes starting from now.

:53:27. > :53:35.Afternoon, get through this quickly before you change your mind. I'm

:53:36. > :53:41.from Ukip Northern Ireland. I have stood spectacularly unsuccessfully

:53:42. > :53:47.twice for the NEC. I have a lot of sympathy with the idea it should be

:53:48. > :53:54.regional but there is a problem I come from one of the regions that

:53:55. > :54:02.has about 400 members at thd moment, that is something we have to change,

:54:03. > :54:07.that is up to us. But that would give anyone who was elected from

:54:08. > :54:16.Northern Ireland the same wdight of a vote, in any discussions of the

:54:17. > :54:20.NEC as, they, the south-east. So there has to be some sort of

:54:21. > :54:27.regional representation. I think it is represented by the Germans

:54:28. > :54:32.conference, the regional Germans conference, but we may have to look

:54:33. > :54:35.at other ways of going round this. But Ukip is a national partx,

:54:36. > :54:43.especially if you come from my part of the world where the whold

:54:44. > :54:47.political stage at the moment is occupied by political partids who

:54:48. > :54:53.have no aspiration to govern this country and don't stand outside

:54:54. > :54:58.Northern Ireland while the Labour Party doesn't even allow its members

:54:59. > :55:04.to stand in Northern Ireland. It was important we give a national voice,

:55:05. > :55:10.and I think by splitting it up, I think Ukip Northern Ireland would

:55:11. > :55:16.become known as just a wee `djunct who has got representation `nd I

:55:17. > :55:20.urge you not to the motion. Now we come to the vote. Yellow cards for

:55:21. > :55:45.the motion please. Right, all of those against with red

:55:46. > :55:52.cards. Can you put those down and put the yellow ones up again. Yes, I

:55:53. > :56:01.think without any problem the red cards had it. So it is against the

:56:02. > :56:04.motion succeeds. Right, the next motion is scrapped the Housd of

:56:05. > :56:10.Lords to replace it with a second elected chamber based on

:56:11. > :56:13.proportional representation to carry out the functions that the House of

:56:14. > :56:21.Lords currently manage. It hs proposed by Chris Wood and seconded

:56:22. > :56:37.by Harry Cotham, and against it is Jake Painter and others. Can I have

:56:38. > :56:47.firstly Chris Wood to come tp, and can I look for two people to

:56:48. > :56:54.speak... Put your hands up hf you want to speak. Can you come up,

:56:55. > :57:10.please, just the two of view. Jake Painter? Where is he? Jake Painter?

:57:11. > :57:14.He is not here. Alan Craig, are you here? You have your name down here.

:57:15. > :57:20.Will you speak for three minutes against the motion when it hs your

:57:21. > :57:30.turn. And I need two other people to speak against there. Would xou like

:57:31. > :57:43.to come up. So we have thred from each side. Mr Wood, you havd three

:57:44. > :57:50.minutes. The electoral reform Society says the peers are

:57:51. > :57:54.technically on paid, members from House of Lords get to pick how much

:57:55. > :58:01.they get paid in allowances. Just checking in, peers can clail up to

:58:02. > :58:04.?300 tax-free depending on how much they feel they deserve. Thex can

:58:05. > :58:15.also claim expenses for travel costs. Between 2014 and 2014, the

:58:16. > :58:20.average peer received ?25,000 tax-free despite the chamber only

:58:21. > :58:24.sitting for 130 days that ydar. Whilst many lords do put in a full

:58:25. > :58:32.day 's work when they are there there is nothing to stop a peer

:58:33. > :58:37.coming to London for the dax and going to the theatre, and claiming

:58:38. > :58:41.their ?300 and travel at thd same time. As the Lords don't have to

:58:42. > :58:48.justify their claims, it is hard to tell of this is happening, but in

:58:49. > :59:00.the last Parliament ?360 was claimed by peers who didn't cast a single

:59:01. > :59:04.vote. Thousands is also clahmed by peers who even don't speak on the

:59:05. > :59:08.floor. Of course the cost of running the House of Lords isn't just their

:59:09. > :59:15.allowances but with all the other infrastructure costs too. The costs

:59:16. > :59:26.in 2014 was ?93.1 million, equivalent to ?18,000 per pder. This

:59:27. > :59:32.is taxpayers' money. Some of them are allegedly put there to `id other

:59:33. > :59:38.political parties financially. This is 2016, not 1620.

:59:39. > :59:49.That highlights what's wrong with the system now, what we replace it

:59:50. > :59:53.with. Every candidate who fhnishes second in each constituency enter

:59:54. > :59:58.the House of Lords for the same term as office as a member of Parliament.

:59:59. > :00:01.That would ensure around 70$ of voters in each constituency would

:00:02. > :00:04.have voted for someone who represents them. It would ensure

:00:05. > :00:09.each MP has an elected membdr scrutinising their work and offer

:00:10. > :00:13.value for money because you wouldn't require a separate ballot. We would

:00:14. > :00:26.have 120 extra lawmakers from this party. Including me! I do think we

:00:27. > :00:29.should not have an unelected body, it should be proportional

:00:30. > :00:32.representation and I urge you to vote in favour of this motion. Thank

:00:33. > :00:45.you very much. APPLAUSE

:00:46. > :00:50.The next person in favour. Harry Cotham, Redditch. When people say

:00:51. > :00:56.the United Kingdom is a democracy, I say it isn't. It is less th`n half

:00:57. > :01:00.of democracy. The primary and most important half of Parliament makes

:01:01. > :01:04.what laws the EU allows it to make and is unelected. A travestx of

:01:05. > :01:15.democracy. Worse than that, it is now packed full of spivs and cronies

:01:16. > :01:19.of those in government. Not forgetting criminals as Lord Archer.

:01:20. > :01:29.It needs wholesale democrathsation or abolition of the very le`st. We

:01:30. > :01:32.need people are elected by proportional representation, so 4

:01:33. > :01:37.million people currently underrepresented, may achieve

:01:38. > :01:44.democratic representation. The House of Lords cannot be treated... Cannot

:01:45. > :01:48.be trusted to give any voicd to the people. If given the choice, it

:01:49. > :01:54.being full of ardent remainders what assurance can we have ht or

:01:55. > :02:02.give effect to the necessarx legislation to leave the EU. What

:02:03. > :02:07.can only expect frustration from the institution. Unfortunately, we all

:02:08. > :02:10.know that whatever we say today HM government has invested intdrest in

:02:11. > :02:14.keeping this appalling insthtution as it is today. Unelected,

:02:15. > :02:19.unaccountable and far removdd from the concerns of the elector`te. But,

:02:20. > :02:26.that is what they said about having an EU referendum five years ago You

:02:27. > :02:27.have had your two minutes. Thank you.

:02:28. > :02:44.APPLAUSE Good afternoon, we do need

:02:45. > :02:52.proportional representation in this country. With the cronyism that

:02:53. > :02:58.affects the House of Lords, then I think that is the best placd to

:02:59. > :03:01.start with it. We should get rid of all political appointments. Any

:03:02. > :03:13.politically appointed Lord from any party should not be there. Not in

:03:14. > :03:24.the way they are currently. How many failed politicians who are

:03:25. > :03:28.completely inept, such as the Kinnocks, how many have enddd up in

:03:29. > :03:32.the House of Lords through backscratching? There are some

:03:33. > :03:38.people that should be appointed like retired generals, who `ctually

:03:39. > :03:45.have served the country with honour, yes they should have a say. They

:03:46. > :03:48.have expertise. Those who h`ve expertise can be appointed. A lot of

:03:49. > :03:58.our politicians don't have `ny expertise. Usually, they ard a bunch

:03:59. > :04:01.of incompetents. What we should have is proportionate representation so

:04:02. > :04:07.any political member of the House of Lords is made by proportion`l

:04:08. > :04:16.representation, representing the make-up of the political, political

:04:17. > :04:19.make-up of our country. So we have Ukip with a large and

:04:20. > :04:26.ever-increasing number of lords And those fringe groups that re`lly

:04:27. > :04:41.don't have that much support like the SNP. Thank you. Against is Jake

:04:42. > :04:47.Painter. Good afternoon, conference. The first thing we must tackle when

:04:48. > :04:51.it comes to the Lords debatd is democratisation of every public body

:04:52. > :04:55.and institution doesn't automatically make it better. Police

:04:56. > :05:00.crime Commissioners, some m`y be good and some may be awful, but the

:05:01. > :05:03.point is they are not policd. In my opinion it should be trained

:05:04. > :05:09.personnel, police, who know what they are doing you should bd in

:05:10. > :05:15.charge of things. I assume 89% of this conference all our mon`rchists.

:05:16. > :05:18.Does anyone think that an elected president would do better than

:05:19. > :05:24.harmonic? Do any others think an elected president would do `nything

:05:25. > :05:28.to enhance and strengthen otr Constitution? Of course not. Why do

:05:29. > :05:33.we make this exception is for the House of Lords, I don't unddrstand

:05:34. > :05:38.it. The House of Lords is a vital part of our constitutional framework

:05:39. > :05:43.for centuries. It has been ` defender of liberty and this grew to

:05:44. > :05:53.nature of the House for centuries. There needs to be room for reform,

:05:54. > :06:00.we need to possibly limit the number of peers. We need a recall system

:06:01. > :06:05.are people who don't turn up to vote, maybe a system where people

:06:06. > :06:09.have to justify their expenses. But we shouldn't undermine our vital

:06:10. > :06:17.institution as part of our constitutional framework. It is just

:06:18. > :06:22.madness. Now, I see democratisation going two ways. I thought the

:06:23. > :06:26.American way where the upper House is partisan, goes completelx against

:06:27. > :06:32.the lower House and our govdrnment is stagnant and nothing gets done.

:06:33. > :06:37.Or, you have an upper House where the party that dominate the lower

:06:38. > :06:41.House, dominate the upper House and we have a situation where the upper

:06:42. > :06:46.House does not scrutinised. Because it loses the vital thing th`t makes

:06:47. > :06:51.the House of Lords importance, and that is independence. It is

:06:52. > :06:57.independence from the party whips is what makes it so important hn

:06:58. > :07:00.scrutinising the lower Housd. If you democratise the upper House you lose

:07:01. > :07:04.the independence of the uppdr House and lose the ability of the upper

:07:05. > :07:14.House to scrutinise the lowdr House properly. Everyone must recognise

:07:15. > :07:19.that. Example, Tony Blair, hn the first two terms did not facd a

:07:20. > :07:27.single defeat in the House of and is. But he faced 400 defeats in the

:07:28. > :07:30.upper House. It was the House of Lords, if it wasn't for the House of

:07:31. > :07:33.Lords, Tony Blair would havd run roughshod over our Constitution get

:07:34. > :07:39.away with everything they w`nted to do. It is because of the Hotse of

:07:40. > :07:42.Lords, proper opposition th`t ensured Tony Blair did not get his

:07:43. > :07:52.way over everything and we should recognise that. Thank you. Right, at

:07:53. > :07:59.the next person who is going to be speaking against the motion, two

:08:00. > :08:04.minutes please. Just give your name. My name is Alan Creighton, H need to

:08:05. > :08:09.express a personal interest. My work closely with two members of the

:08:10. > :08:13.House of Lords. One of the Tkip peers, Lord Pearson and also with a

:08:14. > :08:22.crossbench member of the Hotse of Lords. When I went there five years

:08:23. > :08:28.ago, most people, I have sedn in the press, it was easy to laugh at the

:08:29. > :08:31.House of Lords. Yes, there `re those there just for the money, there are

:08:32. > :08:35.the failed politicians and the cronies of the Prime Ministdr, but

:08:36. > :08:39.in the House of Lords there are some extremely able people at thd top of

:08:40. > :08:45.their game. They can be top doctors, surgeons, top lawyers, top lilitary

:08:46. > :08:48.people and chief executives of commercial enterprises. Via either

:08:49. > :08:54.at or have been at the top of their game. I have listened to thdir

:08:55. > :08:59.discussions and they are an impressive bunch of people, much to

:09:00. > :09:03.my surprise. Secondly, they are independent. Most of them are not

:09:04. > :09:07.there because they are partx politicians. Almost a quartdr of the

:09:08. > :09:12.House of Lords are crossbenchers, have no party allegiance, so don't

:09:13. > :09:15.bother what their party Masters say. It is true of many of the

:09:16. > :09:19.Conservative peers, Labour peers and so on, they can make up thehr own

:09:20. > :09:23.mind. They don't come up for reselection and they don't come up

:09:24. > :09:25.for election, they are therd for life and it gives them an

:09:26. > :09:31.independent viewpoint, which is valuable in the chamber. Thhrdly,

:09:32. > :09:37.they have influence and not power. They don't have power. At the end of

:09:38. > :09:43.the day, if it is the House of Lords versus the House of Commons, the

:09:44. > :09:46.House of Lords knows it is hts job to back down. They acknowledge that

:09:47. > :09:49.and they are there to infludnce refine and improve legislathon by

:09:50. > :09:53.reason, argument, experiencd and their own wisdom, rather th`n party

:09:54. > :10:01.politics or the tribal politics we see in the House of Lords. Thank

:10:02. > :10:10.you. The last person to spe`k against it? Walter Cairns,

:10:11. > :10:15.Blackpool. When it comes to second lawmaking chambers, there are two

:10:16. > :10:20.issues. How you appoint it, secondly, what powers do yot give to

:10:21. > :10:27.it? It gives rise to several permutations. First of all, if you

:10:28. > :10:30.have it appointed by Democr`tic vote, and proportional

:10:31. > :10:35.representation, as suggested, you are creating a recipe for

:10:36. > :10:40.constitutional paralysis. Bdcause, the House of Commons are eldcted by

:10:41. > :10:43.first past the post and the Senate, elected by proportional

:10:44. > :10:47.representation, are likely to have two different political

:10:48. > :10:52.compositions. If on the othdr hand, you only give a democratically

:10:53. > :10:56.elected second chamber, the same powers the House of Lords h`s, then

:10:57. > :11:03.the electorate will wonder, why did we bother voting in the first place.

:11:04. > :11:08.That creates a problem. So the solution, it is a second ch`mber,

:11:09. > :11:16.not elected, but appointed on either on the base of political MPs, or as

:11:17. > :11:19.in France or Germany, on thd basis of local authorities. Two

:11:20. > :11:24.possibilities. Do you give that body the same powers as the Housd of

:11:25. > :11:31.Commons? Again, that creates a democratic deficit, to coin a

:11:32. > :11:35.phrase. You could not give ` second chamber which is not elected, the

:11:36. > :11:41.same powers as the first ch`mber which is democratically elected

:11:42. > :11:49.That leaves the fourth posshbility, that is a second chamber not

:11:50. > :11:52.elected, either political appointees or local authority representatives,

:11:53. > :11:57.but having the same powers of the House of Lords now. I was going to

:11:58. > :12:01.propose an amendment, but that wasn't possible. That is thd reason

:12:02. > :12:09.right, unfortunately I have to oppose this motion. Thank you.

:12:10. > :12:15.Wright, conference it is for you to vote, whether you are for or against

:12:16. > :12:26.the motion, so can we have xellow is first for the motion.

:12:27. > :12:36.I am looking at how many yellows are going up. Yellows, please. Those for

:12:37. > :12:59.the motion. Now, against it. Put your yellows up again. H think

:13:00. > :13:05.the motion fails. I thought I was going to have to have a votd, but

:13:06. > :13:09.the motion fails. Thank you. The next one. Ukip investigate the cost

:13:10. > :13:15.of benefits of substituting the UK foreign aid policy with the disaster

:13:16. > :13:19.relief aid. The new disaster and relief aid to be available both in

:13:20. > :13:31.the UK and abroad, in times of crisis and natural disasters. The

:13:32. > :13:38.proposer is Kevin Higgins. H cannot read the writing. The second is

:13:39. > :13:46.Lizzie Roberts. Kevin, can xou come up please. Are you here? Th`nk you.

:13:47. > :13:55.Can I have two people to spdak for the motion please? Who would like to

:13:56. > :14:00.speak for the motion? Yes, `re you speaking for the motion? Who is the

:14:01. > :14:18.next one? Anybody else like to speak for the motion? Yes, come up then

:14:19. > :14:26.please. Against it is Chris... Yes. And you come up please. Can I have

:14:27. > :14:42.two people against the motion. Two people. Yes please. Anybody else

:14:43. > :14:53.against the motion? That's fine Can we start off with the proposer,

:14:54. > :14:57.Kevin? Good afternoon. It is a good idea before you sign somethhng to

:14:58. > :15:05.read the rules. I did know H was going to have to do this.

:15:06. > :15:27.You cannot hear? Is that better What is up? How's that? OK, right,

:15:28. > :15:33.we are currently spending ?03 billion a year on foreign ahd, and

:15:34. > :15:36.that is rising. It is not rhng fenced, everything else is being

:15:37. > :15:42.shrunk so we now can no longer defend the country, we no longer

:15:43. > :15:46.have enough police officers on the streets to protect us but foreign

:15:47. > :15:54.aid can go up. The proportion that goes to the European Union hs, well,

:15:55. > :16:00.European Union accounting, kind of loose. Some of that money h`s found

:16:01. > :16:09.a way to Hamas, a worthy catse I'm sure you'll agree. We also for an

:16:10. > :16:16.aid to India. India has two aircraft carriers in service with aircraft,

:16:17. > :16:21.we haven't got any. It has two more in build with aircraft waithng to

:16:22. > :16:27.fly on. It has a space programme, and it is a nuclear power whth

:16:28. > :16:40.nuclear weapons, and we are giving them aid? Should be the othdr way

:16:41. > :16:45.round, shouldn't it? But how does this aid gets spent? It is ` huge

:16:46. > :16:56.amount of money. One consultant in London receives 800 million pounds

:16:57. > :17:01.for consultancy. Don't know what they do for it, but presumably for 8

:17:02. > :17:08.million quid they do a bit, which includes a contribution back to the

:17:09. > :17:20.Tory party. Nice if you can get it. I absolutely believe trade not aid.

:17:21. > :17:25.APPLAUSE. We need to facilitate trade with the third World to make

:17:26. > :17:30.it easy for them to even re`ch the starting line, and if you are an

:17:31. > :17:33.African farmer trying to sell into the European Union Common

:17:34. > :17:47.agricultural policy, you have not got a hope in hell. The EU, those of

:17:48. > :17:53.you cast your minds back a bit, a lot of that was sent nice and cheap

:17:54. > :18:00.to Africa which destroyed their indigenous farmers, we run out of

:18:01. > :18:05.beef and they ran out of farmers. That is not helpful. We need to

:18:06. > :18:09.facilitate the ability for these guys to run their own lives and make

:18:10. > :18:22.their own way, rather than siphoning money into palaces and Kalashnikovs.

:18:23. > :18:31.Thank you. The next person for the motion please. You have two minutes.

:18:32. > :18:36.Starting from now. Good aftdrnoon, I am Lizzie Roberts from Cheltenham, I

:18:37. > :18:41.am the membership secretary and I stand for one of the areas hn

:18:42. > :18:45.Cheltenham, Springbank. I would like to second this motion. This

:18:46. > :18:50.Government has been a bad p`rent and in many of you know what bad

:18:51. > :18:54.parenting is, you give monex for nothing back. I have a lot of

:18:55. > :18:59.children and when I give thdm money I expect something in return.

:19:00. > :19:03.Whether it is jobs or responsibilities, and for the

:19:04. > :19:06.Government to send money willy-nilly with absolutely no accounting must

:19:07. > :19:24.be considered disgraceful. APPLAUSE. The sad fact is that when

:19:25. > :19:27.you send aid it is presumably going for one specific purpose. Vdry

:19:28. > :19:33.rarely does it seem to reach the people in need. We were talking

:19:34. > :19:37.about India, I thought they were an independent country, and we send

:19:38. > :19:43.them money every year like sort of pocket money. As it solved their

:19:44. > :19:47.poverty? No, it hasn't. When you look at some of the other h`nd-outs

:19:48. > :20:01.like Indonesia after this an army, did replace the fishing boats that

:20:02. > :20:10.those people needed -- after the tsunami. So where does it go? Too

:20:11. > :20:16.often it goes into the pockdts of those who are just adding to their

:20:17. > :20:20.wealth. I think it is a verx important matter, this. We need to

:20:21. > :20:28.keep money for where it is really needed, and a lot of it at home

:20:29. > :20:39.first. APPLAUSE. Thank you, Lizzie. Thank yot very

:20:40. > :20:47.much. The next person to spdak for the promotion, your two minttes ..

:20:48. > :20:56.Just send them down a bit. Starting from now. Linda Lord, Ukip Lewis,

:20:57. > :21:01.and my appeal to you is an `ppeal for those people at home who have

:21:02. > :21:05.suffered and suffered greatly, and I'm sure you can well remember the

:21:06. > :21:12.flooding this country suffered. I'm sure you can well remember that

:21:13. > :21:19.David Cameron at the time s`id there was no money, but he would find

:21:20. > :21:25.money. If we had relief aid that we could distribute throughout this

:21:26. > :21:31.country in times of crisis, then money could have readily bedn found.

:21:32. > :21:36.Money could have been found for dredging so the flooding didn't

:21:37. > :21:42.happen. Money could have bedn found when, yes I agree, we had the

:21:43. > :21:48.tsunami so it should be spent abroad but also it should be spent at home.

:21:49. > :21:53.When we have had farming problems. We have our different sorts of

:21:54. > :21:58.problems with our farming communities that I'm very wdll aware

:21:59. > :22:07.of. If you speak to any farler, a dairy farmer, he will tell xou he

:22:08. > :22:12.has suffered greatly. If we had relief aid, our farmers could have

:22:13. > :22:17.been easily compensated when they had their problems. Conference, I

:22:18. > :22:27.ask you, please consider thhs motion very carefully. Please vote for it.

:22:28. > :22:39.Thank you. The proposer agahnst it is Chris. Can you keep that up? I

:22:40. > :22:47.expect so, I have no control from here. I am from Poole in Dorset so

:22:48. > :22:53.it took me ?3 to get here this morning. I'm going to speak against

:22:54. > :22:59.the financial benefits of mdrging UK foreign aid policy and callhng it

:23:00. > :23:04.disaster and relief. You've heard the arguments already so I'l not

:23:05. > :23:10.going to go into them too mtch. David Kirton, are you here? No, he

:23:11. > :23:14.will like this because to mx mind we need to be doing something dffective

:23:15. > :23:21.with foreign aid before we think about merging it with disaster

:23:22. > :23:27.relief. There was an imbalance on this planet between wealthy and

:23:28. > :23:31.poor. I have got millionaird footballers living five milds away

:23:32. > :23:43.from me in sandbanks and th`t's what the Government thinks Poole is, and

:23:44. > :23:47.I'm on ?7 27 per hour. The way to increase value is raising the

:23:48. > :23:51.intellectual value of peopld in different countries, and thd way to

:23:52. > :23:56.do that is to do something which this country is brilliant at, and

:23:57. > :24:04.that is educating people. What I propose is that instead of sending

:24:05. > :24:10.money, as quite rightfully said the wearer doesn't arrive, is to send

:24:11. > :24:14.education projects to raise the ability of people in foreign

:24:15. > :24:19.countries so they can educate themselves. I'm talking abott taking

:24:20. > :24:25.be able. If anyone has seen YouTube videos of African people fixing cars

:24:26. > :24:30.in ways you wouldn't understand I'm talking about the able in Africa,

:24:31. > :24:34.and helping them lift themsdlves up. Another thing we have talked a bit

:24:35. > :24:40.about, corruption in foreign countries. A friend of mine did an

:24:41. > :24:50.education project in Zimbabwe and educated 14,000 children working

:24:51. > :24:53.with Mugabe's former wife, `nd this stopped the country going into

:24:54. > :24:59.nothing because a lot of thd people were educated enough to see what was

:25:00. > :25:03.going on. Britain should take the Commonwealth back into its

:25:04. > :25:09.responsibility. Once we got out of the EU. And created into a common

:25:10. > :25:15.wealth. We cannot afford to have pockets of abject poverty, here or

:25:16. > :25:20.abroad, and the way to do is to help bring those countries forward. I say

:25:21. > :25:27.don't merge disaster relief and foreign aid because it just puts two

:25:28. > :25:33.pots together, and I don't just the first part at the moment so to add

:25:34. > :25:41.to it would be a mistake. Thanks for your time. The next one, pldase Can

:25:42. > :25:50.you be as brief as possible because we are running against a TV back-up

:25:51. > :25:55.for our leader. I take a different view to all of our previous

:25:56. > :26:00.speakers. I don't see foreign aid as the responsibility of government. If

:26:01. > :26:05.you think it is so bad, which it is, that Africans are starving `nd Syria

:26:06. > :26:11.is in such a crisis, you can give money to them yourself to a private

:26:12. > :26:14.charity. It is not the responsibility of the state to give

:26:15. > :26:20.your money to other people hn foreign countries. If the ptblic at

:26:21. > :26:26.large think that is so bad, they can do it themselves. So I reject this

:26:27. > :26:34.motion entirely, and be in favour of a purely private foreign aid policy.

:26:35. > :26:45.I urge you to vote against this motion. Thank you very much. Next

:26:46. > :26:55.person? And the last one for against the motion. Mike Parker. I'l

:26:56. > :26:59.speaking against the motion. I can empathise with the concerns of the

:27:00. > :27:05.people proposing it, but I don't think this is the right solttion. I

:27:06. > :27:10.think, although there is definitely a problem, there is a much better

:27:11. > :27:17.and simpler way of solving this We have gift aid at the moment a lot of

:27:18. > :27:22.charitable donations, OK? If we are to give foreign aid, and we are

:27:23. > :27:28.compassionate people, then that should be democratically decided. It

:27:29. > :27:33.is extremely simple. All yot need to do is make our foreign aid divided

:27:34. > :27:41.according to gift aid, so if you give 30 quid, the Government will

:27:42. > :27:45.give an agreed by Parliament percentage of what you give as well.

:27:46. > :27:51.Then you would decide what charities and how much goes, and it would be

:27:52. > :28:05.really simple and you would get rid of a local -- load of pointless

:28:06. > :28:11.quangos to decide where it goes We need a vote please. The yellow cards

:28:12. > :28:26.for the motion. All those against the motion in red. The motion

:28:27. > :28:27.carries. Thank you very much. I m going to hand you over to otr

:28:28. > :28:45.chairman. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very

:28:46. > :28:49.much. Round of applause for Peter, please. I hope you have all had a

:28:50. > :28:54.great conference, all feeling a little bleary I'm sure, but still

:28:55. > :28:59.some excitement left to comd before we head back home. One final time,

:29:00. > :29:08.please raise and show your appreciation for our newly dlected

:29:09. > :29:24.party leader, Diane James. APPLAUSE

:29:25. > :29:36.Ladies and gentlemen, in a few minutes it's going to be my great

:29:37. > :29:41.pleasure to ask a member of the YI to close this conference. I want to

:29:42. > :29:46.send in on the clear messagd to our opposition, that the future of this

:29:47. > :29:51.party is also with young people and if we can appeal to young pdople in

:29:52. > :29:56.terms of the Brexit vote outcome, it is going to be our young

:29:57. > :30:07.independents that will carrx that message and be our ambassadors.

:30:08. > :30:11.APPLAUSE. But as my husband would say, I'm always the one who wants

:30:12. > :30:16.the last word and I'm going to take a few minutes to have that little

:30:17. > :30:21.pleasure. I want to look back, if you don't mind, on a couple of days

:30:22. > :30:27.that will go down in my memory banks for sure. I can say on behalf of my

:30:28. > :30:31.mother and stepfather, they are so proud, and I would like to pay

:30:32. > :30:36.tribute for my family for the support they have given me. But in

:30:37. > :30:43.two days, what have we done? Let's go through what we have achheved. We

:30:44. > :30:48.have proved we are political force. We have reminded everybody out

:30:49. > :30:54.there, people who don't necdssarily support Ukip yet, certainly reminded

:30:55. > :30:58.our opposition, but also entrenched in terms of our membership that we

:30:59. > :31:05.are political force that we have achieved success and that stccess

:31:06. > :31:10.will be again if you lie on our site. You have very kindly `lso

:31:11. > :31:24.elected and welcomed a new leader, and thank you for that. We have also

:31:25. > :31:30.reconfirmed our commitment to Brexit, something no other party in

:31:31. > :31:37.the United Kingdom can clail. When you think the existing government is

:31:38. > :31:40.split still between those that would leaves and those that would remain,

:31:41. > :31:49.we have to keep reminding pdople that the elected government is not

:31:50. > :31:58.committed to Brexit, but we are APPLAUSE. In my national programme

:31:59. > :32:02.of events which was titled leet Diane for leader, I called tpon

:32:03. > :32:07.positivity to become our political DNA and that is going to be just one

:32:08. > :32:12.of my parting messages to you. Remember, let's be positive, let's

:32:13. > :32:15.create positivity around thhs party and let's create and remind

:32:16. > :32:21.everybody of the positivity surrounding Brexit. But what do I

:32:22. > :32:26.want you to take away from this event? The most important mdssage I

:32:27. > :32:32.ask you to use every time you possibly can, we are the opposition

:32:33. > :32:44.in waiting. Remember that, opposition in waiting.

:32:45. > :32:54.APPLAUSE. That requires both three elements.

:32:55. > :33:04.They are support me, work whth me and win with me. May I give my since

:33:05. > :33:09.the thanks for making these last two days so pleasurable, so important

:33:10. > :33:14.for allowing this party to love on in terms of its next era. The

:33:15. > :33:18.opportunity to thank Nigel `nd also Paul Oakton, Peter Joule, the

:33:19. > :33:24.donors, the patrons and to dverybody that contributed to this evdnt. But

:33:25. > :33:35.to you all, every single ond of you, thank you and please, in a few

:33:36. > :33:37.minutes welcome Jamie on behalf of the YI. Have a good journey, travel

:33:38. > :34:04.safe. Ladies and gentlemen, the chairman

:34:05. > :34:10.of YI, Jamie Ross McKenzie. Thank you, and thank you Di`ne. It

:34:11. > :34:18.is an honour, as the chairm`n of Young Independents to be closing

:34:19. > :34:23.this conference and it hasn't dawned on us how important this conference

:34:24. > :34:37.is. But those of you that don't know anything about Young Independent,

:34:38. > :34:42.you should do. Because we are your foot soldiers, delivering your

:34:43. > :34:46.leaflets, canvassing your boaters and winning your by-elections. But

:34:47. > :34:53.we are also the one busy taking your message to young people in schools,

:34:54. > :34:59.colleges, universities via various media up and down the country. Those

:35:00. > :35:05.of you that were awake this morning, I say that because some of xou are

:35:06. > :35:11.looking a bit fragile, will know that Young Independents had a speech

:35:12. > :35:15.competition. I have to say, after hearing the contestants, I `m so

:35:16. > :35:16.proud to lead such a group of talented and intelligent yotng

:35:17. > :35:28.people. APPLAUSE

:35:29. > :35:33.Most importantly, I am so glad to lead a group of young peopld who

:35:34. > :35:41.possess an independent mind. Sometimes, add it to independent! If

:35:42. > :35:47.this competition would take place in youth groups of other partids, we

:35:48. > :35:53.would hear the same speeches several times over. Each of the competitors

:35:54. > :35:57.first googling, how do I get on the candidate's list. But that

:35:58. > :36:02.independence of mind is a r`rity today, as we hear from the House

:36:03. > :36:06.against democracy from the spoiled Remainiac children, who won't accept

:36:07. > :36:14.the decision the British people made on June 23. Indeed, I hear `bout six

:36:15. > :36:20.Lib Dems were hanging around outside today. No matter how many thmes you

:36:21. > :36:28.steal their beret is, they still keep coming back for more.

:36:29. > :36:34.APPLAUSE But quite seriously, how thdse

:36:35. > :36:39.people can, without a hint of irony, and without a full sense of moral

:36:40. > :36:43.superiority, argued they have had their future stolen while they

:36:44. > :36:48.support a project, which has stolen the futures and the dignity of

:36:49. > :36:52.labour from so many of their fellow young people across Europe, will

:36:53. > :37:04.always be beyond me. APPLAUSE

:37:05. > :37:11.And that is what sets young independents apart in British

:37:12. > :37:15.politics. Far from being Middle England is in isolation, we stand

:37:16. > :37:20.with our partners across Europe and across the world who are blhghted by

:37:21. > :37:26.the European project and sililar globalist ideals. Indeed, the words

:37:27. > :37:32.of support I received from other youth wings is most touching. My

:37:33. > :37:37.quote from a letter from two youth wings in European Parliament group

:37:38. > :37:44.that I received in of this xear Please don't give up. You s`ved us

:37:45. > :37:49.from Napoleon and Hitler. I am sure you can save us from Angela Merkel

:37:50. > :37:59.and Jean-Claude Juncker. APPLAUSE

:38:00. > :38:05.Encouraged by our success, they are now engaged in their own battles

:38:06. > :38:11.against the EU and their own establishments that worship at its

:38:12. > :38:15.feet. Make no mistake, ladids and gentlemen, leaving is leading and I

:38:16. > :38:17.have every confidence that this Brexit will be finest hour.

:38:18. > :38:33.APPLAUSE But the problem we face is one of

:38:34. > :38:37.confidence. Young people in Britain today simply don't know any more

:38:38. > :38:42.what it is to be British. They literally don't know who thdy are

:38:43. > :38:48.and the immense power they can unleash. Those that do are taught to

:38:49. > :38:54.be ashamed of it or hide it under a bushel, instead of pride in a nation

:38:55. > :38:57.with an extraordinary command of the written world, parliaments, the

:38:58. > :39:04.Magna Carta, the many inventions, the way in which we consistdntly by

:39:05. > :39:13.Grits, determination and hard work and sacrifice punch well above our

:39:14. > :39:21.weight. Except, the intangible place in the mind that demands love, of

:39:22. > :39:27.valour and quiet resolve whhle other countries speak of wine, wolen and

:39:28. > :39:32.song. It is perhaps the gre`test of paradoxes that the new culttre of

:39:33. > :39:37.education which teaches you to love yourself, to be yourself and to be

:39:38. > :39:41.proud of your achievements, we have been taught to lack confidence in

:39:42. > :39:46.identifying with the very things that matter most. As a youth wing,

:39:47. > :39:54.we seek to restore the confhdence. And we ought to be confident. This

:39:55. > :39:59.is our era. The spirit of independence is the very sphrit of

:40:00. > :40:05.youth. A time when we, for the first time, are genuine masters of our own

:40:06. > :40:10.destiny. That confidence must start with us as a party. I am looking

:40:11. > :40:15.forward to working with our new leader, Diane and her team, in the

:40:16. > :40:20.months ahead in probably thd most interesting time we have evdr

:40:21. > :40:25.experienced in British politics We must never forget what a be`con of

:40:26. > :40:30.freedom and democracy Britahn is to the rest of the world. People are

:40:31. > :40:39.placing their hopes on us and we have a duty not to abandon them If

:40:40. > :40:44.we do this right, together, united as a party and youth wing, this

:40:45. > :40:54.will, once again, be our finest hour.

:40:55. > :41:03.APPLAUSE Let's make YI the opposition youth

:41:04. > :41:16.wing in waiting. Thank you. APPLAUSE

:41:17. > :41:28.Thank you very much, Jamie. I don't know about you, but I have `lways

:41:29. > :41:34.had a slight hatred the YI when they changed the age range and m`de me

:41:35. > :41:38.too old to apply for them. H felt that this morning that after only

:41:39. > :41:44.two our sleep, I looked better than they do after the night I h`d. Never

:41:45. > :41:49.used to be that way. Thank xou for that and the great work thex do the

:41:50. > :41:51.YI group have been resource full and incredible throughout this. I want

:41:52. > :41:57.to thank Jake Painter who h`s been acting as my speaker liaison making

:41:58. > :42:03.sure speakers were in the rhght place at the right times. C`n you

:42:04. > :42:05.show your appreciation for Jake Payne to please.

:42:06. > :42:10.APPLAUSE I would like to thank the conference

:42:11. > :42:15.centre itself. Their staff have been incredibly helpful.

:42:16. > :42:20.APPLAUSE Nothing has been too much trouble. I

:42:21. > :42:24.want to thank you for taking the time to come down here, in what had

:42:25. > :42:29.been advertised beforehand, as an incredibly difficult time for Ukip!

:42:30. > :42:34.It doesn't feel that way, I have to say. I am not going away fedling

:42:35. > :42:40.that way, I am going away thinking this is the most exciting thme in

:42:41. > :42:46.Ukip we have had for an awftlly long time. Before I hand over to the

:42:47. > :42:52.choir, which I know is the reason you are all still here, I jtst want

:42:53. > :42:57.to give some special thanks to a few members of the team of the party,

:42:58. > :43:01.that very few of you may know or speak to regularly. Mainly Lizzie,

:43:02. > :43:03.our events manager and Hasbro Dominic put this conference together

:43:04. > :43:08.and Damian Wilson are creathve director, without whom this sets,

:43:09. > :43:15.the AV, the sound on the videos none of it would work. Can H give

:43:16. > :43:23.them a big round of applausd please? APPLAUSE

:43:24. > :43:28.To the two press officers, often times the measure of a good press

:43:29. > :43:33.office of the stories you ndver read about. I'm just based on thd last

:43:34. > :43:37.two days, you would be amazdd the work they have done. Big rotnd of

:43:38. > :43:40.applause for them, for the wonderful work they do.

:43:41. > :43:46.APPLAUSE To Melanie Hall first and grain

:43:47. > :43:51.young who have been liaising and helping everybody and Kirstx Harriet

:43:52. > :43:56.who has been a source of evdrybody to go to. Peter Julian, who has

:43:57. > :43:59.helped me chair some of these sessions admirably. And also to the

:44:00. > :44:04.stressed looking young man, you wouldn't think he was young, in a

:44:05. > :44:09.grey suit that has been at ly side for most of the weekend, thd general

:44:10. > :44:13.secretary. When I was given the delight of being the party chairman

:44:14. > :44:18.for a brief period of time, it was on that reside so I had Adal at my

:44:19. > :44:22.side doing it. He is one of the people nobody knows that well or

:44:23. > :44:26.understands what he does, btt the party would collapse within about

:44:27. > :44:30.ten minutes if it wasn't for the work he does do. So a big round of

:44:31. > :44:33.applause please, for Adam Richardson.

:44:34. > :44:38.APPLAUSE And now, I will simply closd by

:44:39. > :44:43.saying there will be Donacidn buckets to pay for my well `nd

:44:44. > :44:47.drinks afterwards. It is at the back of the hall. Enjoy the choir. I am

:44:48. > :44:53.actually delighted this conference is bringing to a close, almost, my

:44:54. > :44:57.chairmanship of the party. We will get over these next few weeks, carry

:44:58. > :45:01.on the unity and excitement that have been generated over thdse last

:45:02. > :45:06.few days. Thank you for your good humour, hospitality and thotghts,

:45:07. > :45:07.and enjoy our singalong. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very mtch.

:45:08. > :45:50.APPLAUSE A special thank you at the start of

:45:51. > :45:55.a new era for our chairman, Paul Oakden, for leading the teal through

:45:56. > :46:06.such a successful conferencd. Thanks for what he has done for thd party.

:46:07. > :46:43.APPLAUSE. And now he is going to sing.

:46:44. > :46:50.Can I just say a few words, while we are waiting for a few of thd members

:46:51. > :46:57.to come on. It has been gre`t to watch the choir growing frol just a

:46:58. > :47:02.dozen from our London rehearsal We even made it onto Newsnight

:47:03. > :47:08.yesterday. Although this party is just only a score all, we h`ve got

:47:09. > :47:16.there first. The other major parties are over 100 years old and they

:47:17. > :47:21.haven't got the choir. We m`y be small and perfectly formed `t the

:47:22. > :47:28.moment, but we lead, they follow, let's make sure we stay ahe`d, so if

:47:29. > :47:39.any of you would like to john us on future occasions, please go to the

:47:40. > :47:47.website www.postiemate.com, where you can contact me directly, in

:47:48. > :47:53.which case then you will contact -- contacted by me next time wd form

:47:54. > :47:57.the choir. Obviously we will have the national anthem first, but as we

:47:58. > :48:01.are known as the people Armx, I thought the second piece we are

:48:02. > :48:21.going to do on our own hard to be on the Dad's theme tune. -- thd Dad's

:48:22. > :48:25.Army theme tune. # God save our gracious Quedn, long

:48:26. > :48:34.live our naval Queen # God Save The Queen

:48:35. > :48:38.# Sent her victorious # Happy and glorious

:48:39. > :48:49.# Along the rain -- long to reign over us

:48:50. > :49:12.# God Save The Queen. # Who do you think you're khdding,

:49:13. > :49:24.Mr Cameron? # We knew you were full of lies

:49:25. > :49:27.# First you took the vote and then you changed your mind, then you said

:49:28. > :49:32.it was fair and square, then you changed your mind

:49:33. > :49:42.# Who do you think you're khdding, Mr Cameron?

:49:43. > :49:47.# In 2015 you repeated promhses to bring down net migration to less

:49:48. > :50:16.than 100 K # But as it is over that evdry year

:50:17. > :50:33.# Who did you think you werd kidding, Mr Cameron?

:50:34. > :50:48.# Knowing we are not thick nor plebs.

:50:49. > :51:13.# In desperation you said you would make UK law supreme...

:51:14. > :51:25.# Who did you think you werd kidding, Mr Cameron?

:51:26. > :51:37.# You even chickened out of facing Farage in debate because yot know he

:51:38. > :51:41.would rush you like he did to Clegg. # You said it would be world War

:51:42. > :51:48.three if we dared to vote to leave. # When it was suggested we light

:51:49. > :51:57.import loads of Turks # You said they wouldn't john until

:51:58. > :52:04.the year 2000, then we heard the opposite was starting.

:52:05. > :52:12.# Only you could make it up. # Your Chancellor George Osborne

:52:13. > :52:25.taxed us as punishment # So onward we march to the 23rd of

:52:26. > :53:46.June, #. # And did those feet in anchent time

:53:47. > :53:53.walk upon England's mountains green # And was the holy Lamb of God on

:53:54. > :54:01.England's pleasant pastures seen! # And did the countenance Dhvine

:54:02. > :54:04.shine forth upon our clouded hills? # And was Jerusalem built hdre among

:54:05. > :54:18.these dark Satanic mills? # Bring me my Spear:

:54:19. > :54:47.O clouds unfold! # Bring me my chariot of fire!

:54:48. > :55:01.# I will not cease from mental fight # Till we have built Jerusalem, in

:55:02. > :55:49.England's green and pleasant land #. You are in very good voice today,

:55:50. > :55:54.aren't you? The next one, wd are going to do it the way they do it in

:55:55. > :55:59.the Proms. The first time the land of Hope and Glory tune comes, we are

:56:00. > :56:00.just going to have it, the next time we want you to raise the roof.

:56:01. > :58:17.Enjoy. # Land of hope and glory,

:58:18. > :59:09.mother of the free # How shall we extol thee,

:59:10. > :59:20.who are born of thee? # Wider still and wider

:59:21. > :59:32.shall thy bounds be set # God, who made thee mighty,

:59:33. > :01:03.make thee mightier yet # Land of hope and glory,

:01:04. > :01:26.mother of the free # How shall we extol thee,

:01:27. > :01:33.who are born of thee? # Wider still and wider

:01:34. > :01:43.shall thy bounds be set # God, who made thee mighty,

:01:44. > :02:45.make thee mightier yet CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

:02:46. > :02:54.Your appreciation pleas for Ukip's choir.

:02:55. > :03:03.APPLAUSE I love the idea somebody might have

:03:04. > :03:07.come early for the Daniel O'Donnell concert and stumbled in wondering

:03:08. > :03:12.what the hell was going on. I forgot to mention earlier there is a

:03:13. > :03:16.business meeting that will happen now at the sweets upstairs with

:03:17. > :03:21.myself and the party treasurer. It will start in about 15 minutes. For

:03:22. > :03:26.those of you want to, you c`n join if you want to, for the rest of you,

:03:27. > :03:34.have a very journey home.