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:00:07. > :00:12.The Labour Party has been in power in Wales since devolution began 17

:00:13. > :00:14.years ago, but what policies do they have to offer for the next five

:00:15. > :00:33.years? Welcome to conference 2016. Good morning and welcome to our

:00:34. > :00:38.second spring conference programme. A fortnight ago, we were with the

:00:39. > :00:42.Lib Dems, the Welsh Conservatives, Ukip in Wales and Plaid Cymru are

:00:43. > :00:46.still to come, but today we are with the Welsh Labour Party who are

:00:47. > :00:51.meeting at Venue Cymru in Llandudno. You can join in the debate, we are

:00:52. > :00:55.on Twitter and it would be great to hear from you. Joining me as usual,

:00:56. > :01:02.the guide through the conference, is Welsh affairs editor Vaughan

:01:03. > :01:05.Roderick. What a political morning, historical, the Cabinet meeting in

:01:06. > :01:09.Downing Street, we can't ignore the bigger picture today. In terms of

:01:10. > :01:13.Europe, big developments this morning. Yes, David Cameron has his

:01:14. > :01:18.deal and the starting gun is about to be fired for the referendum and

:01:19. > :01:20.that sums up, if you like, the problem Welsh Labour is going to

:01:21. > :01:25.have and all the Welsh political parties will have between now and

:01:26. > :01:28.the Assembly election, how to debate Welsh issues in the Shadow of these

:01:29. > :01:34.huge ongoing debate about Europe. We will see them try and juggle things

:01:35. > :01:38.around today, one suspects we will hear references to Europe from the

:01:39. > :01:42.stage while they are still trying to put across key Assembly messages.

:01:43. > :01:47.And will they succeed question mark it will be a huge issue casting a

:01:48. > :01:52.Shadow over the election, but they will be determined to get the Welsh

:01:53. > :01:55.affairs agenda going. They will try their best but all of the Welsh

:01:56. > :01:58.party leaders indicated that they would prefer the referendum to be

:01:59. > :02:02.held in the autumn and the same thing goes for Scotland and Northern

:02:03. > :02:07.Ireland. It is going to be very difficult for them. So they may try

:02:08. > :02:11.and sharpen the messages, hone them down to a simpler message, to try

:02:12. > :02:15.and get through, but it is going to be difficult, particularly this

:02:16. > :02:19.weekend. We will hear from Carwyn Jones in his speech shortly. What

:02:20. > :02:24.will be the main message coming out of the conference, do you think?

:02:25. > :02:27.Well, if the spin coming out of Llandudno is to be believed, they

:02:28. > :02:32.are going to portray this election as a choice of First Ministers,

:02:33. > :02:41.between Carwyn Jones and Andrew Arty Davies. I think if that is the case,

:02:42. > :02:45.I think Labour could be making a huge strategic error -- Andrew RT

:02:46. > :02:49.Davies. If they are trying to polarise it between Labour and

:02:50. > :02:52.Conservative, then I think we will hear a lot of attacks on the

:02:53. > :02:57.Conservatives and not many on Plaid Cymru and Ukip and the Liberal

:02:58. > :03:01.Democrats, but we shall see. What would be the thinking behind that

:03:02. > :03:07.decision? To keep the other part is clean ready for a possible

:03:08. > :03:10.coalition? -- parties. The think it would be they think Carwyn Jones is

:03:11. > :03:14.a credible First Minister and people in the Labour Party don't think

:03:15. > :03:19.Andrew RT Davies is, so if they try and make a presidential, people will

:03:20. > :03:24.choose Carwyn Jones. The problem is quite simply this, Labour polling

:03:25. > :03:29.around 30-35%, you have three parties polling in the high teens

:03:30. > :03:32.and early 20s, Ukip, Conservative and Plaid Cymru, and Labour need to

:03:33. > :03:36.keep those three parties where they are, close together and bunched up,

:03:37. > :03:40.or else they will start to lose constituencies if one of the three

:03:41. > :03:47.opposition parties breaks away from the other two. So elevating the

:03:48. > :03:50.Conservatives, trying to portray it as a two horse race, to me, is an

:03:51. > :03:53.incredibly rash gamble that could backfire on them very badly. The

:03:54. > :03:57.other message coming through seems to be we are only halfway through

:03:58. > :04:01.the job, we need this extra five years to complete delivery, if you

:04:02. > :04:07.like. How is Carwyn Jones going to sell that one beyond the Hall? It is

:04:08. > :04:10.a huge problem. Labour have been in power since devolution but they were

:04:11. > :04:16.in power in Wales two years before that, they have been in power since

:04:17. > :04:21.1997, almost 20 years. All laws political logic would tell you after

:04:22. > :04:25.20 years, you would expect a change in the election, so we need more

:04:26. > :04:30.time, when you have already had 19 years, is a very hard sell. Thank

:04:31. > :04:35.you Vanessa. As we were saying, the First Minister is getting ready to

:04:36. > :04:39.address delegates -- thank you for now. Let's get more reaction on the

:04:40. > :04:43.main story of the day, the deal struck in Brussels. After two days

:04:44. > :04:47.of negotiations with other EU leaders, David Cameron announced he

:04:48. > :04:52.had managed to secure a package of measures giving the UK special

:04:53. > :04:56.status in the EU. He is meeting the Cabinet in Downing Street right now

:04:57. > :04:58.after which he may announce a date for the referendum on whether

:04:59. > :05:02.Britain should stay or leave in the EU. We could get that tomorrow, the

:05:03. > :05:06.thinking at the moment is it is going to be the 23rd of June, we

:05:07. > :05:12.will get confirmation. Before we came on power, our reporter caught

:05:13. > :05:16.up with the MEP Derek Vaughan, who gave us his reaction. The Prime

:05:17. > :05:19.Minister has done his deal, so congratulations to the Prime

:05:20. > :05:24.Minister. When you look at the reforms he has negotiated, it ranges

:05:25. > :05:27.from the trivial to the useful to the slightly concerning, but he has

:05:28. > :05:31.done that deal and I believe in a few weeks' time, we will forget

:05:32. > :05:34.about the deal and the most important question is is Wales

:05:35. > :05:39.better off in the European Union and the answer is of course, yes. Do you

:05:40. > :05:43.think the deal will have any impact on the way people vote? It may sway

:05:44. > :05:47.some people, particularly in the Conservative Party but the majority

:05:48. > :05:50.of people will look at the bigger question, is Wales better than the

:05:51. > :05:54.European Union and we know we are, because of the funding we get, the

:05:55. > :05:59.jobs linked to trade and the workers' writes that come from the

:06:00. > :06:03.EU, so it is strongly in Wales' interest to campaign in -- stay in

:06:04. > :06:09.the EU and we will campaign for that. Wales is a beneficiary when it

:06:10. > :06:11.comes to the EU but the UK is a net contributor. Do you frame the

:06:12. > :06:16.arguments differently when campaigning in Wales? Absolutely.

:06:17. > :06:21.The UK is a net contributor, but when we do do research, Wales is a

:06:22. > :06:25.net beneficiary to the tune of ?838 million and if we left the EU, we

:06:26. > :06:29.would still have do pay in to be a member of the single market and we

:06:30. > :06:33.would move from being a net beneficiary to a net contributor, so

:06:34. > :06:37.that seems to me ridiculous. We are much better off financially and

:06:38. > :06:41.economically being in the European Union. When it comes to the Labour

:06:42. > :06:48.Party, are united on this issue, does everyone feel the same way? The

:06:49. > :06:51.Labour Party is the most United party in this referendum campaign.

:06:52. > :06:54.Our leader Jeremy Corbyn will campaign to stay in, we know almost

:06:55. > :06:59.every single MP will campaign to stay in, we believe every Welsh

:07:00. > :07:02.Labour Assembly member will campaign to stay in so we will be fighting

:07:03. > :07:07.hard to make sure we secure the future of Wales in the European

:07:08. > :07:12.Union. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't always been so pro-Europe, has he? In the

:07:13. > :07:16.past, maybe not, but we were absolutely delighted when he said he

:07:17. > :07:20.believed the UK's interest was in the European Union and he would

:07:21. > :07:24.campaign to stay in. Of course, in the Labour Party, we want a

:07:25. > :07:28.different type of European union, union that is focused on jobs and

:07:29. > :07:32.growth, more of a social Europe, so we will be arguing that case as well

:07:33. > :07:35.but overall, it is much better for the UK to be a member of the

:07:36. > :07:40.European Union. Finally, when it comes to the Welsh is the campaign,

:07:41. > :07:45.do you think this issue will now dominate that campaign, overshadow

:07:46. > :07:49.it, as it were? Well, it is bound to get entangled in some way but there

:07:50. > :07:52.will be overlap as well, so doing a campaign for the Welsh is the

:07:53. > :07:56.elections, I will be saying the Welsh Government has delivered EU

:07:57. > :08:01.funds for Wales, so we have fantastic examples right across the

:08:02. > :08:04.company, whether it is growth jobs Wales, funded by the European Union,

:08:05. > :08:09.the second campus at Swansea University where they are all

:08:10. > :08:12.apprenticeship schemes, all those things are funded by the European

:08:13. > :08:15.Union but backed by the Welsh Government, so we can find some

:08:16. > :08:19.overlap between the Assembly elections and the EU referendum

:08:20. > :08:26.campaign. Derek Vaughan, thank you. Derek Vaughan, MEP, speaking to our

:08:27. > :08:29.reporter in Llandudno. We will catch up with Stefan messenger throughout

:08:30. > :08:34.the programme. In terms of the Labour Party here in Wales, have

:08:35. > :08:38.divided are they on Europe? Historically, there are some big

:08:39. > :08:42.divisions. Historically, there were, if you remember all the way back to

:08:43. > :08:47.1975, the county with the highest proportion of no votes in 1975 in

:08:48. > :08:52.anywhere in England and Wales was mid Glamorgan because Labour, back

:08:53. > :08:55.in 1975 in Wales, pretty solidly against it, because a lot of major

:08:56. > :09:02.figures were against it. Michael foot, Neil Kinnock, at the start of

:09:03. > :09:06.his career. Now things have changed, very few Labour Eurosceptics in

:09:07. > :09:11.Wales. There are a few greybeards around, if I can put that away,

:09:12. > :09:16.people like Denzil Davies, former Treasury Minister, back in those

:09:17. > :09:21.days in the 1970s, but amongst the active membership of the Labour

:09:22. > :09:27.Party, I haven't come across anyone who is planning to be on the No

:09:28. > :09:31.side. So it will be awkward in terms of the Yes Campaign. You will have

:09:32. > :09:36.Labour politicians sharing a platform with conservatives on the

:09:37. > :09:40.referendum front and yet trying to attack them when it comes to the

:09:41. > :09:47.Welsh election. How is that going to work? Let's remember there is a gap,

:09:48. > :09:52.not a huge gap, of about six weeks. Labour learnt a lesson in Scotland

:09:53. > :09:57.about how damaging sharing platforms with the Conservatives could be

:09:58. > :10:01.politically, so I suspect that in at least the early part of the

:10:02. > :10:05.referendum campaign, the campaign that is going on at the same time as

:10:06. > :10:10.the Assembly campaign, that you will see very little cross party

:10:11. > :10:14.activity. I don't think it is in anybody's interests to muddy the

:10:15. > :10:18.waters in Wales. We don't know yet what Andrew RT Davies, whether he

:10:19. > :10:23.will be a leave all remain, I suspect remain, but we will see. But

:10:24. > :10:28.UNC Carwyn Jones, Leanne Wood and Andrew RT Davies and Kirsty Williams

:10:29. > :10:33.standing on the same stage saying remain behind them -- you will not

:10:34. > :10:38.see. But there are difficulties and difficulties for us as broadcasters.

:10:39. > :10:42.How do you balance two sides of an argument where four out of the five

:10:43. > :10:47.main parties are on one side and only one party is on the other and

:10:48. > :10:51.you are meant to be balancing? It will cause all sorts of

:10:52. > :10:55.difficulties. No one really knows how it will play out but I am

:10:56. > :10:59.willing to bet we won't see cross-party activity this side of

:11:00. > :11:02.the Assembly elections. Which is precisely why Carwyn Jones and

:11:03. > :11:07.others had written to David Cameron saying please don't do it in June.

:11:08. > :11:11.If it does, they will be pretty cross, weren't they? Yes, and Carwyn

:11:12. > :11:15.Jones will have do answer questions about how much clout he has within

:11:16. > :11:21.the Labour Party because let's remember, Jeremy Corbyn and the

:11:22. > :11:24.Labour MPs say they favour having a June referendum. Well, that does

:11:25. > :11:27.call into question how much clout Carwyn Jones actually has within his

:11:28. > :11:31.own party and I think he will be asked that question and it may be

:11:32. > :11:34.quite difficult for him to answer it. We will have him on the

:11:35. > :11:39.programme later and we can certainly as Kim. In terms of Jeremy Corbyn,

:11:40. > :11:44.his speech, we heard of this morning and we are about to hear it on this

:11:45. > :11:49.programme. Tricky, coming into Wales? How are things between Jeremy

:11:50. > :11:55.Corbyn and carbon at the Redcar win Wales -- and Carwyn Jones these

:11:56. > :12:01.days? Pretty friendly, no incoming or outgoing fire, he has said things

:12:02. > :12:05.the Welsh Government would want him to say but the problem is there are

:12:06. > :12:09.large numbers of people in Labour in Wales who believe Jeremy Corbyn is

:12:10. > :12:13.not a help for them in the Assembly elections, that he is in fact a

:12:14. > :12:17.hindrance and you can see that every day, we get press releases in the

:12:18. > :12:22.bay from the Conservative Party which always referred to the Labour

:12:23. > :12:26.Party as Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party, even when it is Jeremy

:12:27. > :12:31.Corbyn's Labour Party hasn't moaned the grass... They are trying to

:12:32. > :12:36.attach Jeremy Corbyn's name to the party and Wales Labour Party will be

:12:37. > :12:41.trying to keep a bit of distance, but they cannot ignore him, they

:12:42. > :12:44.cannot say don't come, so how they handle that will be... It is

:12:45. > :12:48.interesting, what does it say about the positioning on the political

:12:49. > :12:50.spectrum about the Labour Party? You would have thought such a left-wing

:12:51. > :12:55.leader would have gone down well in Wales but it is not the case. Let's

:12:56. > :13:00.be clear, Jeremy Corbyn is very popular with a lot of grass roots

:13:01. > :13:03.members in Wales, as he is across the UK and an awful lot of people,

:13:04. > :13:07.even people who are not great fans of him as leader, agree with him on

:13:08. > :13:12.a lot of the issues. The problem is they can see the polling like

:13:13. > :13:18.everyone else can see it and the polls reflect that Jeremy Corbyn

:13:19. > :13:21.hasn't yet, things may change, but he hasn't yet won the trust and the

:13:22. > :13:25.confidence of the bulk of the voters. He is not doing very well in

:13:26. > :13:30.the polls and there is no reason to think that is any different in Wales

:13:31. > :13:33.to the rest of the UK. Let's cut to the chase, Carwyn Jones doesn't want

:13:34. > :13:38.him throughout the campaign to be banging on doors in Wales, does he?

:13:39. > :13:41.No, but he can't keep him out either. One would suspect there are

:13:42. > :13:50.probably some constituencies where Jeremy Corbyn might be an asset to

:13:51. > :13:53.the party. Probably not the ones you think. People say he might go down

:13:54. > :13:55.well in the Rhondda, but I don't think that is necessary the case,

:13:56. > :13:59.but constituencies like Cardiff Central, there may be some use for

:14:00. > :14:03.him there. And here we have Ken Skates, the minister, addressing

:14:04. > :14:07.conference at the moment. We are expecting Carwyn Jones very shortly

:14:08. > :14:12.and as soon as he gets to his feet, we will cut back to the conference.

:14:13. > :14:19.In terms of delivery, then, is 17 years in power but we need more

:14:20. > :14:22.time... Can we say, you know, this is Carwyn Jones saying I am only

:14:23. > :14:28.halfway through the job because I have only been in power. Is he

:14:29. > :14:32.disowning the ten years before him, what is going on? I think there is

:14:33. > :14:35.an element of that. If you were to ask me how long does Carwyn Jones

:14:36. > :14:39.intend to remain as First Minister, presuming he is First Minister after

:14:40. > :14:46.the election, I would say he is probably intending to do ten years.

:14:47. > :14:50.And ten years would be about another four years before there was a Labour

:14:51. > :14:54.leadership election, pour out of the five years of the next Assembly

:14:55. > :14:59.term. So for him, it is halfway through and there has been an

:15:00. > :15:02.element of disowning going on. Remember that description of Labour

:15:03. > :15:08.having taken their eye off the ball on education, for instance. And we

:15:09. > :15:10.have seen new measures being introduced, particularly in

:15:11. > :15:14.education and in health and the economy and so on which assured, the

:15:15. > :15:20.Government argues, pay off over the next five years, but it is a very

:15:21. > :15:25.hard sell. The question is to what extent you can run, as they did

:15:26. > :15:29.quite successfully, one has to say, in 2011, against the Government in

:15:30. > :15:32.Westminster. That is a bit more difficult this time, I think they

:15:33. > :15:36.are going to have to do a lot more defending of their own record. Last

:15:37. > :15:40.time, Carwyn Jones was relatively new in post, he could pretend change

:15:41. > :15:52.had happened. Rhodri Morgan had given way. Can't do that this time.

:15:53. > :16:00.Let's go to the conference centre. Stephan messenger, how are they, are

:16:01. > :16:05.they in fine form? Yes, welcome to Llandudno and welcome to Venue

:16:06. > :16:11.Cymru, the largest venue yet, 900 delegates, 200 more than last year.

:16:12. > :16:14.Let me give you a tour, this is the reception, through there is the

:16:15. > :16:21.conference hall itself, where earlier we were hearing from Jeremy

:16:22. > :16:28.Corbyn. Carwyn Jones will take to the stage soon. Hoping to talk to

:16:29. > :16:32.members of the Labour Party and assembly members. Delegates are

:16:33. > :16:36.quite buoyant, they are lively and in an upbeat mood, they say they

:16:37. > :16:42.were impressed by the six key pledges earlier in the week, clear

:16:43. > :16:47.messages that they can sell on the doorstep when it comes to the

:16:48. > :16:53.election. Things like 100,000 more apprenticeships, the most ambitious

:16:54. > :16:57.childcare offer anywhere in the UK. Jeremy Corbyn has just come off the

:16:58. > :17:01.stage and he gave his reaction to the political editor and we will

:17:02. > :17:06.play that interview later. Interestingly he framed his

:17:07. > :17:11.arguments very much as Labour versus Tory, and that is what we are

:17:12. > :17:19.expecting Carwyn Jones to do as well later. Saying, I am the First

:17:20. > :17:23.Minister, do you want me or do you want Andrew Davies? We are expecting

:17:24. > :17:28.him to poke fun at the Tory leader when he takes to the stage any

:17:29. > :17:30.minute. He says that he has an inspiring record of hope and

:17:31. > :17:37.achievement and he was praising members saying that they have a lot

:17:38. > :17:41.to teach the party in the UK and the UK public as well when it comes to

:17:42. > :17:44.an alternative to the Tories. It will be interesting to see how

:17:45. > :17:50.Carwyn Jones reacts when he takes to the stage soon. We will rally round

:17:51. > :17:56.and find delegates to get their reactions as well. In terms of the

:17:57. > :18:00.reaction to Jeremy Corbyn in the hall, is he very, very welcome

:18:01. > :18:04.there? Well, he certainly had a standing ovation when he came in,

:18:05. > :18:12.whooping and cheering at different points. He was very praising Welsh

:18:13. > :18:19.Labour, saying that it is part of the UK that the party can learn

:18:20. > :18:23.from. His speech was well received by delegates. We have not really had

:18:24. > :18:27.much of a chance to speak to them since he came off but we are hoping

:18:28. > :18:32.to get the reaction of Jeremy Corbyn speaking to our political editor

:18:33. > :18:37.very soon. You will have plenty of time. Thanks very much. We will be

:18:38. > :18:42.back with you shortly. As we prepare to hear from Carwyn Jones, we have

:18:43. > :18:47.had the pledges and the line of attack and the spin, what else will

:18:48. > :18:51.we hear from him? Well, it will be interesting to hear how much defence

:18:52. > :19:02.of his record we will get. He is in land at no. It is in North Wales. --

:19:03. > :19:07.he will have to address issues surrounding health because it is a

:19:08. > :19:11.live wire issue in that part of Wales. It is probably the most

:19:12. > :19:15.important part of Wales when it comes to the assembly elections in

:19:16. > :19:20.May. Labour are genuinely worried about what will happen to them in

:19:21. > :19:24.the north of the country. The other opposition parties are very bullish

:19:25. > :19:28.about how they might do, sensing that there are a number of Labour

:19:29. > :19:33.held constituencies that could be vulnerable in the north of the

:19:34. > :19:38.country. I would expect him to have to address that and possibly pitch

:19:39. > :19:43.specifically to voters in the north of the country. Do we translate

:19:44. > :19:51.Labour vulnerability from the general election to this election?

:19:52. > :19:54.You would start with the ones they took in the Westminster election

:19:55. > :20:02.which they don't currently hold in the assembly, like the Vale of

:20:03. > :20:13.Clwyd, the Vale of Glamorgan. There are other seats, like Wrexham and

:20:14. > :20:20.seats across Wales where Labour won last time. With around 35% of the

:20:21. > :20:24.vote. They won because the opposition vote was divided between

:20:25. > :20:29.numerous parties, which is why I say I find this framing of Labour versus

:20:30. > :20:36.Tory to be almost bizarre. In terms of a strategy. They would have

:20:37. > :20:42.thought it through carefully, though. Of course. Is it just down

:20:43. > :20:53.to personalities? They probably see a sharp contrast between Carwyn

:20:54. > :20:59.Jones and Andrew Davies. There is an element in Welsh Labour that loves

:21:00. > :21:03.to rile Plaid Cymru. They will say that if it is us against the Tories

:21:04. > :21:09.it will annoy plaid Cymru. You get it from both sides. There is a quite

:21:10. > :21:15.childish sort of dissing of each other that goes on between them. I

:21:16. > :21:18.would be amazed if Carwyn Jones and the Labour strategists have let that

:21:19. > :21:24.sort of thinking influence their assembly strategy in a way that I

:21:25. > :21:30.think, you know, is very risky for them. It's a big gamble. That's just

:21:31. > :21:36.me, I maybe wrong and they could be right. You are thinking it could be

:21:37. > :21:39.huge Philip for the Tories by raising their profile? Labour is

:21:40. > :21:43.polling in the mid-30s which is good enough for them to remain the

:21:44. > :21:47.largest party in the assembly, comfortably, provided the opposition

:21:48. > :21:53.vote is equally split. If you elevate one party above the others,

:21:54. > :21:58.if you are sending signals to Ukip voters to vote for the Tories, you

:21:59. > :22:02.could get Carwyn Jones out, and they may take that option. This is the

:22:03. > :22:08.wife of Carwyn Jones introducing him, Lisa Jones. No, we are not

:22:09. > :22:14.ready to cross over there yet, but it means he is imminent. He is

:22:15. > :22:18.running late, what does that say? Ten minutes late. Anyway, these

:22:19. > :22:23.things can slip at conferences. This is a tricky election and this speech

:22:24. > :22:28.will really count, the trickiest one for Labour so far since devolution?

:22:29. > :22:32.This is a key speech and one of the reasons it is running late is that

:22:33. > :22:36.they may alter it because of the developments on Europe. He will have

:22:37. > :22:39.to address the European question. It would have been there anyway but I

:22:40. > :22:46.wonder if the section is having to be rewritten and it may explain a

:22:47. > :22:50.bit of the tardiness. This is a difficult speech for Carwyn Jones

:22:51. > :22:59.but then he is good at this stuff, he is an effective platform speaker.

:23:00. > :23:02.Still an Carwyn Jones's wife. He is effective and often seen as a better

:23:03. > :23:09.manager rather than a conviction politician. He has the fight in his

:23:10. > :23:14.belly to go for it, though? Well, yes. When he goes for it he goes for

:23:15. > :23:22.it big time, there are people in the Labour Party who feel that sometimes

:23:23. > :23:29.he can come across as arrogant or even patronising. That's one thing

:23:30. > :23:33.that he has to watch. And in terms of... You think he might be

:23:34. > :23:38.saying... Will we hear from him that this is it and he will have one more

:23:39. > :23:44.term? I don't think a party leader... He will try to avoid

:23:45. > :23:52.saying that. David Cameron has said this. In terms of him carrying on,

:23:53. > :23:58.going on forever, you don't think it's likely? I don't think he will

:23:59. > :24:01.say that, no. Let's make it clear, I have not had private conversations

:24:02. > :24:08.where he has told me his thinking. My guess would be that he would

:24:09. > :24:11.think about doing the same thing that Roger Morgan did, around ten

:24:12. > :24:17.years, that would give a new Labour leader about a year in the run-up to

:24:18. > :24:24.the next assembly election. Let's cross to the conference to hear what

:24:25. > :24:31.Carwyn Jones's wife has to say. Sat in the first assembly in 1999, when

:24:32. > :24:34.he was promoted to Minister of agriculture and finally he was

:24:35. > :24:42.elected in 2009 as First Minister. APPLAUSE

:24:43. > :24:49.It was a very hard time. As you know, it was a difficult time for us

:24:50. > :24:52.is a family because Janice, his mother, my lovely mother-in-law, was

:24:53. > :24:54.seriously ill and died shortly after but he did all of this with

:24:55. > :25:10.unwavering passion and conviction. SPEAKS WELSH. I am very proud to

:25:11. > :25:11.welcome my husband, best friend and inspiration to the platform, Carwyn

:25:12. > :25:19.Jones. APPLAUSE

:25:20. > :25:55.. Wow Full follow that! Thanks for

:25:56. > :26:02.those lovely words. I will remind you of them when you are telling me

:26:03. > :26:03.off for forgetting something. That was quite something. Many thanks.

:26:04. > :26:16.APPLAUSE It is great to be back here in

:26:17. > :26:19.Llandudno. I would like to thank Jeremy for being here today, his

:26:20. > :26:26.inspirational words this morning, and his commitment to the Welsh

:26:27. > :26:30.Labour win. To our Shadow Secretary of State and campaigner

:26:31. > :26:46.extraordinaire, thank you for fighting our corner in Westminster.

:26:47. > :26:49.And to our retiring AMs. I will miss you and Wales will miss you, but I

:26:50. > :26:58.know you will be supporting our team in winning in May. Thanks for your

:26:59. > :27:02.hard work. APPLAUSE It's always of course a great

:27:03. > :27:08.pleasure to be able to speak in Llandudno. I remember before we met

:27:09. > :27:10.in 2011, speaking to the staff at Welsh Labour they said they wanted

:27:11. > :27:14.to do something different with the branding and focused on me. I had

:27:15. > :27:19.not been leader for very long and they wanted to cash in on that

:27:20. > :27:24.freshfaced optimism. I said that was fine but a bit uncomfortable. Do

:27:25. > :27:29.what you think will work as long as it is not too over the top. They

:27:30. > :27:34.said great, don't worry, it will be understated. What did I see on the

:27:35. > :27:49.first morning? A 30 foot banner of me! The BBC nicknamed it

:27:50. > :27:53.Carwynzilla! You don't know what self-doubt is until you have seen

:27:54. > :28:00.your own face five foot wide. I asked Lee says she wanted to keep it

:28:01. > :28:08.and she laughed. -- Lisa. Apparently we have now used it to wrap up the

:28:09. > :28:15.Ed Stone! I'm glad we have more traditional branding on show.

:28:16. > :28:54.on a more serious note it is worth going back to the moment in 2011

:28:55. > :28:59.when we gathered here to reflect on what we said at that time. The

:29:00. > :29:01.Tories had been in power in Westminster for nine months and

:29:02. > :29:07.already set about wrecking the social fabric of Britain. Attack

:29:08. > :29:12.after attack at our communities, laying waste to opportunity and the

:29:13. > :29:18.basic notion of fairness that was sacrificed on the altar of

:29:19. > :29:22.austerity. We in Wales knew that we had a mighty responsibility on our

:29:23. > :29:27.shoulders, we promised to stand up for Wales and we did. When the

:29:28. > :29:31.Tories cut our budget we made tough choices in order to protect the NHS

:29:32. > :29:35.and our schools, spending more on education and health than is the

:29:36. > :29:46.case in England. When the Tories closed down Remploy we stood with

:29:47. > :29:50.disabled workers and save jobs. When the Tories tried to slash pay, we

:29:51. > :29:53.went to the Supreme Court and won a victory for fairness and the right

:29:54. > :30:09.to a decent wage. When the Tories trebled tuition fees

:30:10. > :30:15.for students, we stepped in and said we would pay the difference because

:30:16. > :30:20.we believe in your future. APPLAUSE.

:30:21. > :30:25.And you know what makes me more proud than anything else that we

:30:26. > :30:31.did? When the Tories cut the future jobs fund, when they took away a

:30:32. > :30:35.lifeline to young people in the very teeth of the recession, when people

:30:36. > :30:44.needed a helping hand more than ever before, we didn't stand idly by and

:30:45. > :30:49.pointed the finger of blame. We created Jobs Growth Wales and 1,500

:30:50. > :30:58.people have been given the chance to work. Welsh Labour did that and

:30:59. > :31:02.don't let anyone forget it. And now the Tories are trying to foist on us

:31:03. > :31:07.Wales Bill that will drag us backwards. It will drag power back

:31:08. > :31:11.to Westminster, undermine the devolution settlement and give power

:31:12. > :31:17.to faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall and we will say no to that as well.

:31:18. > :31:24.The constitutional wrangle has gone on for long enough. Even I am bored

:31:25. > :31:30.of it now and I am fond of the constitutional debate, but this the

:31:31. > :31:36.buckle has two stop. The Wales Bill debacle is just another result of

:31:37. > :31:40.Kamrrem's chaos in Westminster -- David Cameron's chaos. This is the

:31:41. > :31:43.Prime Minister that almost lost Scotland and the pantomime we have

:31:44. > :31:48.witnessed in Brussels has done very little to help the In Campaign for

:31:49. > :31:52.the European referendum. He has instigated unprecedented junior

:31:53. > :31:56.doctor strikes in England and his constant undermining of the settled

:31:57. > :31:59.will of the Welsh people is a gift to the otherwise moribund

:32:00. > :32:04.nationalist movement in Wales. It is time to send a message to David

:32:05. > :32:08.Cameron that Wales is not a second-class nation. Wales will not

:32:09. > :32:09.put up with second best and Welsh Labour will fight you every step of

:32:10. > :32:22.the way. The Tories have never been a friend

:32:23. > :32:26.to Wales. And week after week, we have seen them try to use our

:32:27. > :32:31.communities to set the agenda in London. When they lied about our

:32:32. > :32:35.NHS, we called them out and now we have the international evidence to

:32:36. > :32:39.support our case. We stood up for Wales, we still do stand up for

:32:40. > :32:45.Wales and every day, we will fight the corner for our country, but we

:32:46. > :32:49.now know that we need to do more. In 2011, I promised a decade of

:32:50. > :32:55.delivery, a ten year focus on the bread-and-butter issues that matter

:32:56. > :32:59.to peoples everyday lives. There is no question that in the early days

:33:00. > :33:05.of devolution, the young Assembly became an ideas factory of inventive

:33:06. > :33:09.policy, the foundation phase, free bus passes, a cap on care charges,

:33:10. > :33:14.ideas we have kept unrefined and will deliver for young people. Now

:33:15. > :33:18.ours is the task to combine ideas with delivery. That is the mission

:33:19. > :33:23.of my political lifetime, to deliver on that early promise. And that is

:33:24. > :33:27.why we have made some tough decisions and we have taken some

:33:28. > :33:30.flak. School tests, many were sceptical but for the parents and

:33:31. > :33:35.children, it was the right thing to do. Tuition fees policy, some didn't

:33:36. > :33:41.like it, some still don't, but for our students, it was the right thing

:33:42. > :33:45.to do. I health board in special measures, is that we have never

:33:46. > :33:48.taken before but it was the right step for the patients in North

:33:49. > :33:51.Wales. I have never been afraid of the tough decisions in the last five

:33:52. > :33:54.years and I will never be afraid to make more in the next five years,

:33:55. > :34:01.because this is a Government ready to stand up against vested interest.

:34:02. > :34:07.And since 2011 and despite the Tory cuts, we have made enormous

:34:08. > :34:12.progress. Since 2011, people's GCSE results have risen by 78%. Results

:34:13. > :34:16.for people from the most disadvantaged backgrounds have

:34:17. > :34:20.increased faster still. A start results at A-level are the highest

:34:21. > :34:25.they have ever been. The attainment grab bag of the late gap is now

:34:26. > :34:30.closing at every key stage of education. Cancer survival rates are

:34:31. > :34:34.growing faster in Wales than anywhere else in the UK, even as

:34:35. > :34:37.more and more are diagnosed. In Wales, the number of people

:34:38. > :34:41.suffering delayed transfers of care are coming down. In England, they

:34:42. > :34:45.are at record levels. And next year, we will be training more nurses than

:34:46. > :34:58.ever before, the highest since devolution, a 10% increase on this

:34:59. > :35:02.year. In 2011, unemployment was at 9.3%, now it is that by .3%, lower

:35:03. > :35:10.than Scotland, Northern lower than London. Our investment figures are

:35:11. > :35:14.the best for 30 years -- now it is at 5.3%. In this six and a bit years

:35:15. > :35:17.I have been First Minister, I had left no stone unturned in getting

:35:18. > :35:22.out and selling Wales to the world and in the last five years, the

:35:23. > :35:24.world has come to Wales. Our record inward investment figures make a

:35:25. > :35:29.mockery of those who want to return to the days of the Welsh development

:35:30. > :35:34.agency. The biggest tip that Wales ever saw in the GDP happened in the

:35:35. > :35:40.so-called halcyon days of the WDA, in the early 1990s. The jobs that

:35:41. > :35:42.did come in were secured over expensive lunches with promises of a

:35:43. > :35:46.low pay economy. They were here today but gone tomorrow jobs. But my

:35:47. > :35:50.ministers have been out and fought for the best, good jobs, decent

:35:51. > :35:55.wages. We are not interested in waiting for scraps from the table.

:35:56. > :35:59.Wales is on the up. And on every measure that matters and despite a

:36:00. > :36:03.record cut to our budget, we are doing better. And it is because we

:36:04. > :36:06.are getting the basics right. It means that our people and their

:36:07. > :36:12.institutions have more opportunity to shine. Wales is on the up, Wales

:36:13. > :36:16.is on the map. We are halfway through that decade of delivery and

:36:17. > :36:21.making progress every day. The momentum we are seeing in schools,

:36:22. > :36:26.hospitals, the economy, can only know be scuppered by a change in

:36:27. > :36:31.political direction in the Assembly. -- only now be scuppered. Now, you

:36:32. > :36:36.know I am not in the habit of agreeing with Andrew RT Davies. Who

:36:37. > :36:40.is that, somebody said. But those who don't know, and there is no

:36:41. > :36:43.reason you should, he is the Tory leader in the National Assembly. But

:36:44. > :36:49.he said two things in response to some recent polls which I totally

:36:50. > :36:52.agree with. He said that the Tories are the only alternative to Welsh

:36:53. > :36:57.Labour in the Assembly. And he has also said it is a straight fight

:36:58. > :37:02.between me and him for who will be the next First Minister of Wales,

:37:03. > :37:05.and he is dead right on both counts. Sure, there are distractions on the

:37:06. > :37:09.sidelines, not least from Ukip, but we can never lose sight of the fact

:37:10. > :37:14.that this election is a straight fight between us and the Tories. Our

:37:15. > :37:21.vision and values against theirs. And that is not a fight the people

:37:22. > :37:28.of Wales can afford us to lose. APPLAUSE.

:37:29. > :37:35.So together, for Wales, we must make our case more clearly, more

:37:36. > :37:39.passionately and more persuasively than ever before. We have achieved

:37:40. > :37:47.so much, but there is much more to do. So, we have made six new

:37:48. > :37:52.promises to the people of Wales. 30 hours of free childcare for working

:37:53. > :37:58.parents, covering not just 38 weeks of the year, as elsewhere in the UK,

:37:59. > :38:01.but 48 weeks' worth of care for three and four-year-olds. Our

:38:02. > :38:06.commitment doesn't set down what -- Centre on what Government wants to

:38:07. > :38:10.deliver, it centres on what parents need and this will cement the flying

:38:11. > :38:15.start scheme we have placed in the most disadvantaged communities. This

:38:16. > :38:19.is not an investment just in working families, in the children's future,

:38:20. > :38:22.but in the economy too. We know how hard it is for so many working

:38:23. > :38:28.mothers in particular to get back to work and had a's commitment will

:38:29. > :38:33.make family life that much easier. -- and with today's commitment.

:38:34. > :38:34.Wales will have the most comments or childcare offer in the UK. That is

:38:35. > :38:48.something to fight for. Last year, Wales recorded our best

:38:49. > :38:54.ever GCSE results thanks to our schools challenge come reprogram,

:38:55. > :39:00.some of the most challenged schools reported increases of over 10% --

:39:01. > :39:05.schools challenge Cymru. But we can never be too ambitious, so we commit

:39:06. > :39:08.to establishing a ?100 million school standards fund to improve

:39:09. > :39:13.still further on the results our pupils and teachers are achieving

:39:14. > :39:16.together. With Welsh Labour, we can prove that all schools can be good

:39:17. > :39:24.schools and that is something to fight for.

:39:25. > :39:30.And when people finish their education, they have a right to a

:39:31. > :39:34.good job, with excellent training and good prospects. That is why a

:39:35. > :39:37.future Welsh Labour Government will pledge the fund 100,000 extra

:39:38. > :39:44.apprentices by the end of the next Assembly. That scheme will be open

:39:45. > :39:47.to all ages and it means that everyone has the opportunity to

:39:48. > :39:51.fulfil their potential in the workplace. As far as possible, we

:39:52. > :39:55.will meet that challenge of a good job closer to home. With Welsh

:39:56. > :39:57.Labour, good quality work and training, that is something to fight

:39:58. > :40:08.for. We know that small businesses are

:40:09. > :40:14.the lifeblood of our economy, our communities and our high streets

:40:15. > :40:18.too. So we will give a tax break to all small businesses in Wales using

:40:19. > :40:23.our new powers on business rates. This will help three quarters of

:40:24. > :40:25.business premises in Wales and half of all eligible businesses will pay

:40:26. > :40:32.no business rates at all in the future. The message we get from SMEs

:40:33. > :40:36.is for Government to keep it simple and let them get on with it. This

:40:37. > :40:40.level of support will do exactly that, no red tape, no complicated

:40:41. > :40:44.forms, just helping hand in tough times. With Welsh Labour, a business

:40:45. > :40:54.friendly Government on your side. Conference, that is something to

:40:55. > :40:59.fight for. Conference, we will develop a new treatment fund in

:41:00. > :41:01.Wales to ensure that people suffering life-threatening

:41:02. > :41:06.conditions can have access to the latest medicine and treatment. We

:41:07. > :41:10.know that new technology, medicines and treatments represent a serious

:41:11. > :41:15.challenge to NHS budgets, just as they also represent a new lifeline

:41:16. > :41:20.to seriously ill patients. We know these treatments are being developed

:41:21. > :41:24.and tested on an almost weekly basis and this dedicated central fund will

:41:25. > :41:27.enable the most advanced drugs and high cost treatments for

:41:28. > :41:31.life-threatening illnesses to be available in Wales first, not just

:41:32. > :41:37.for cancer but other conditions such as cystic fibrosis and multiple

:41:38. > :41:40.sclerosis. With Welsh Labour, an NHS that will stay free from

:41:41. > :41:41.privatisation but keep pace with modernisation and that is something

:41:42. > :41:56.to fight for. Finally, we believe that people in

:41:57. > :42:00.old age who need extra help, those who have paid fair and paid in, they

:42:01. > :42:04.deserve a fairer deal. So we will double the capital limit they will

:42:05. > :42:09.be able to keep on the sale of their home should they need to go into

:42:10. > :42:12.care. That is ?50,000 people Campas onto their family. They have earned

:42:13. > :42:17.it, they should be allowed to use it. With Labour -- Welsh Labour,

:42:18. > :42:20.responsibility rewarded, that is the Wales I believe it, where those who

:42:21. > :42:23.have put in a decent shift get a fair deal. Those are the six pledges

:42:24. > :42:29.we announced this week that we will take to the people of Wales. But I

:42:30. > :42:32.want to add to that today. I can say with absolute certainty that when

:42:33. > :42:43.income tax powers devolved to Wales, there will be no tax rises under the

:42:44. > :42:46.Welsh Government after May. This again will demonstrate

:42:47. > :42:50.responsibility rewarded. If you work hard, we are going to stand with you

:42:51. > :42:55.and be there in the tough times, working together for Wales. And as

:42:56. > :43:00.we are in the north of Wales, I have one more pledge to share with you

:43:01. > :43:02.today. If we form the next Government, that just as the

:43:03. > :43:07.south-east of the country will get the Metro project, so too we will

:43:08. > :43:12.start planning for the North to get its own integrated transport system.

:43:13. > :43:22.APPLAUSE. Our vision... Our vision is to

:43:23. > :43:25.create a reliable, efficient and quality integrated transport network

:43:26. > :43:29.across the region that will connect people to communities, jobs and

:43:30. > :43:36.services. And when additional powers of rail are devolved, we will have

:43:37. > :43:39.they tools to develop an integrated system, faster and more frequent

:43:40. > :43:44.rail is to employment centres and the north-west of England. Improved

:43:45. > :43:47.train stations, reliable bus networks, combined ticket

:43:48. > :43:50.arrangements and walking and cycling routes that link communities.

:43:51. > :43:55.Integrated travel hubs would facilitate travel across the region

:43:56. > :44:01.and we know that the 855 is a key trunk road and we continue to invest

:44:02. > :44:03.in improving its resilience -- the A55. That is what will happen if we

:44:04. > :44:15.form the next Government. We need, of course, to be very clear

:44:16. > :44:19.in our own minds about the challenge ahead of us in May. This will be our

:44:20. > :44:24.toughest ever Assembly election campaign, coming off the back of a

:44:25. > :44:27.difficult General Election, trying to manage the record cut to our

:44:28. > :44:31.budget, fighting a Tory Government doing everything they can to

:44:32. > :44:36.undermine us and for another reason to, the Ukip challenge. It is very

:44:37. > :44:40.real. It isn't going away and the General Election showed us in Wales

:44:41. > :44:45.in particular just how badly it can hit us in seats we hold. So how do

:44:46. > :44:49.we answer this challenge, what will Ukip do to our politics? Well, it

:44:50. > :44:57.can do one of two things, it can challenge us to be better or worse.

:44:58. > :45:02.It could make us change our message, tone down our positive, progressive,

:45:03. > :45:07.internationalist values, to mimic Ukip and offer a red tinge to the

:45:08. > :45:14.answers they give on community cohesion and Europe. We could give

:45:15. > :45:21.into their kind of politics and let them think that there are easy and

:45:22. > :45:27.so is but I think to respond in that way would make our politics worse.

:45:28. > :45:29.They can challenge us to be better and not give anyone in our

:45:30. > :45:36.communities the excuse to turn to Ukip and make sure that the mantra,

:45:37. > :45:41.you are all the same and you break your promises, make sure that is

:45:42. > :45:45.never true. Make sure the NHS is there for people and make sure that

:45:46. > :45:49.towns and villages are a source of pride and make sure there is housing

:45:50. > :45:55.for those who need it. And create good jobs, and accessible to all, as

:45:56. > :46:00.local as they can be at good pay and with these in training. Faced with

:46:01. > :46:05.the Ukip challenge that is the path Labour must take. Listen harder,

:46:06. > :46:10.work harder to earn trust and do better at delivering for them. That

:46:11. > :46:20.is the right response and that is the Welsh Labour response.

:46:21. > :46:28.I can tell you, the answer does not lie in the gutter but in raising our

:46:29. > :46:31.game. Let those people thinking about voting for Ukip hear the

:46:32. > :46:37.message loud and clear, we have heard your complaint and we promise

:46:38. > :46:41.to listen and deliver for you. Other parties will seek to define us in

:46:42. > :46:46.the man's head, attacks will be lazy, you can write them now, we

:46:47. > :46:52.have had long enough and it's time for a change. The last time I

:46:53. > :46:58.checked democratic politics doesn't work on a turn basis. You have to

:46:59. > :47:03.win people over and win the battle of ideas and have a compelling

:47:04. > :47:07.vision for Wales that is ambitious, deliverable and affordable and I

:47:08. > :47:11.make no apology for Welsh Labour wanting to win that contest again

:47:12. > :47:13.and again and I make no apology for saying we are going all out for

:47:14. > :47:28.another win in May. Let me tell you about the Welsh

:47:29. > :47:32.Labour Party that I'm proud to lead. We are a party that knows the true

:47:33. > :47:37.meaning of the word aspiration, it is not a word that belongs to the

:47:38. > :47:42.Home Counties focus groups, it belongs to us all. My mum and dad

:47:43. > :47:47.wanted the best for me and I want the best for my kids as we all do.

:47:48. > :47:52.We need to be proud of our role in helping everyone to realise their

:47:53. > :48:00.ambitions. People aspire to a decent roof over their heads and that is

:48:01. > :48:07.why will end the right to buy in the next assembly. -- we will end. Maybe

:48:08. > :48:10.you are ready to bite your first home and that is why we established

:48:11. > :48:14.and will extend the help to buy scheme. People want the best art for

:48:15. > :48:18.their children but don't have the networks and money to do the classes

:48:19. > :48:23.and coffee mornings that bring others together and that is where

:48:24. > :48:28.our new childcare scheme comes in, making sure that all parents and

:48:29. > :48:32.children have access to the best practice and facilities at that

:48:33. > :48:37.crucial age. Some people aspire to set up and run their own business

:48:38. > :48:43.which is why we have established a new ?50 million entrepreneur fund

:48:44. > :48:47.and will cut business rates. Depending on where you are on wide

:48:48. > :48:49.journey, your ambitions and aspirations will be different but

:48:50. > :48:53.Welsh Labour believes that government has a role in helping

:48:54. > :48:58.people to achieve, we are not and never will be like the Tories, the

:48:59. > :49:02.sink or swim party. Together for Wales is a phrase that really mean

:49:03. > :49:06.something to us in this hall. We need to make sure it means something

:49:07. > :49:10.to everyone in every corner of Wales before this election campaign is

:49:11. > :49:13.done. It feels as though I have or are you been to every town and

:49:14. > :49:20.village in Wales a few times over and I will do so again. This is the

:49:21. > :49:24.bit we got into politics to do, to make our case and make a difference

:49:25. > :49:30.and that's what we need you to do over the coming months, this week I

:49:31. > :49:33.was with our excellent candidate, Lee Walters, brilliant visit to a

:49:34. > :49:40.local nursery to talk about our childcare pledge. A young girl in a

:49:41. > :49:48.tutu took a shine to him and would not let him go. He went about a

:49:49. > :49:53.traditional Labour red! I'm not sure he has ever suffered from being over

:49:54. > :49:57.helped but that's what the campaign Trail is all about com 80s where you

:49:58. > :50:01.experience the fun side of life, I was with Jane who took me on the

:50:02. > :50:07.famous High Street tour of Barry and for a socialist of renowned, I don't

:50:08. > :50:13.think I have seen her on first named terms with so many business owners.

:50:14. > :50:18.It is a fantastic deli in Barry, it has a sideline in novelty party

:50:19. > :50:29.food. Don't eat the custard creams, I have not experienced anything so

:50:30. > :50:36.sour since the last Katie Hopkins:! -- column. That pledge to cut tax

:50:37. > :50:41.for high-street businesses was music to the ears of the people we met

:50:42. > :50:46.because running a small business is a Labour of love. Do you take

:50:47. > :50:50.someone on, take the risk? Our pledge will help businesses say yes

:50:51. > :50:56.to those questions. Yesterday I was with Aaron Jones in real at a

:50:57. > :51:00.nursery and I talked to Michelle who runs the nursery about the

:51:01. > :51:05.difference that Fine Start is making to same and if families in Wales. We

:51:06. > :51:08.know that the childcare pledge will make a massive difference to

:51:09. > :51:13.families the length and breadth of Wales, helping so many people to get

:51:14. > :51:14.back to work. Thanks to what we have done in recent years we know that

:51:15. > :52:12.the job is waiting for them too. we didn't just take Wales through

:52:13. > :52:17.the economic storm, we did not just whether the cuts, we did better, we

:52:18. > :52:22.change Wales for the better and made Wales are global brand and gave the

:52:23. > :52:26.unemployed are helping hand. We saved our airport, and gave everyone

:52:27. > :52:29.in the NHS are guaranteed living wage, no to fracking and yes to

:52:30. > :52:34.clean energy, and we did all of this and much more with a Tory government

:52:35. > :52:39.trying to wreck it all from Westminster. But we need to do more.

:52:40. > :52:45.To do it all again. To do better still. We are halfway through the

:52:46. > :52:51.decade of delivery, and we can't afford to let the momentum going

:52:52. > :52:55.now. The pledges that we have made this week show that we have the

:52:56. > :53:00.ideas, the energy and the passion to win again, and to govern again. I am

:53:01. > :53:03.incredibly proud to be First Minister of Wales, incredibly proud

:53:04. > :53:07.to be Welsh Labour leader and it means more to me than I can tell

:53:08. > :53:13.you. It's something I will never take for granted. I know just how

:53:14. > :53:17.tough this election is going to be, everyone will have to play our part,

:53:18. > :53:25.to pull together, to work together, to campaign together. Our future is

:53:26. > :53:32.bright. Our best days are ahead. Let's get out there, win the

:53:33. > :53:35.arguments, door by door, street by street, and win a better future for

:53:36. > :53:36.our country and we will do that by working and campaigning together for

:53:37. > :53:49.Wales. Thank you. STUDIO: Carwyn Jones taking the

:53:50. > :53:55.applause after that speech where, as predicted, he did set out the fight,

:53:56. > :54:01.a straight fight between Labour and the Conservatives. Halfway through a

:54:02. > :54:07.decade of delivery, that was his big message. And his wife there, Lisa,

:54:08. > :54:10.who introduced him, taking to the stage as well. We were reminded of

:54:11. > :54:17.the six pledges announced earlier in the week and he added two more, no

:54:18. > :54:20.tax rises if and when tax is devolved to Wales, and he also

:54:21. > :54:25.talked about a new integrated transport system for North Wales. He

:54:26. > :54:33.will be joining us shortly on the programme, we hope. Neil Griffith, a

:54:34. > :54:37.member of the Shadow Cabinet, applauding there. As expected, a

:54:38. > :54:44.standing ovation for Carwyn Jones after the speech. Let's get the

:54:45. > :54:48.thoughts of Vaughan Roderick. Setting out that straight fight with

:54:49. > :54:52.the Tories? Yes, that is what they decided to go for and I have orally

:54:53. > :54:58.said what I think about that. There were problems because he said it's a

:54:59. > :55:03.two horse race, me and him, it's between the two of us. Then we have

:55:04. > :55:09.the Ukip threat is real and not going away. Which one is it? We will

:55:10. > :55:15.see how it plays out but I have my doubts. Barry interestingly, as part

:55:16. > :55:19.of the strategy presumably there was no mention Hartley of Plaid Cymru

:55:20. > :55:26.and the Lib Dems. No mention at all of the Lib Dems. -- hardly. It may

:55:27. > :55:29.be because he knows that Labour aren't going to get a majority in

:55:30. > :55:33.the assembly and he will find it difficult and instinctively would

:55:34. > :55:39.not want to do even ad hoc deals with the Conservatives and Ukip.

:55:40. > :55:42.Although a coalition between Labour and Plaid Cymru looks unlikely

:55:43. > :55:46.because there is not much appetite in plaid Cymru for that, but after

:55:47. > :55:49.the election the first thing we will need to do is to get through to the

:55:50. > :55:54.summer and then try to think what we will do for the next five-year is,

:55:55. > :56:02.and to get to the summer I will need some sort of understanding with

:56:03. > :56:08.Plaid Cymru. -- five years. It may also be that Plaid Cymru seats...

:56:09. > :56:12.They are not threatening Labour in any of the constituencies he is

:56:13. > :56:22.really interested in apart from one, Llanelli. It's a long stretch, to be

:56:23. > :56:25.honest. The threat to Labour comes from the Conservatives and that may

:56:26. > :56:30.be part of the reason why he is discussing it. It doesn't really

:56:31. > :56:34.matter to Labour which of the opposition parties picks up the

:56:35. > :56:38.seeds, what matters to them is holding constituencies. In terms of

:56:39. > :56:42.the new pledge, that he unveiled today, we will not raise income tax

:56:43. > :56:49.if and when it is devolved. -- seats. Did we expect that? That is

:56:50. > :56:52.in contrast to what is promised in Scotland where Scottish Labour are

:56:53. > :57:00.going into the election saying we will raising tax in order to reduce

:57:01. > :57:07.cuts. -- raise income tax. It's a fine judgment. If he says I'm not

:57:08. > :57:12.going to raise taxes he has to take ownership of part of those cuts.

:57:13. > :57:16.Because people will be able to say to him, well, you know, if you are

:57:17. > :57:21.blaming Westminster for how the councils have been financed, you

:57:22. > :57:27.could do something about that and you have chosen not to. On the other

:57:28. > :57:32.hand going into the election with the promise of a tax rise or even

:57:33. > :57:35.the possibility of a tax rise, that is a risky strategy. Scottish Labour

:57:36. > :57:43.have to take risks but Welsh Labour doesn't really. In terms of lowering

:57:44. > :57:47.the possibility of lowering taxes, that was not in there but the Lib

:57:48. > :57:50.Dems are promising that? We will expect something similar from the

:57:51. > :57:57.Conservatives. They talk about a low tax economy, but polling is that

:57:58. > :58:02.difficult on the issue. It's not as simple as tax cuts equals votes

:58:03. > :58:06.unless you tell them where the savings are going to come from.

:58:07. > :58:15.Thank you. Let's go back to Llandudno and the delegates have

:58:16. > :58:19.left the hall, and Stephan has grabbed a few of them. It's getting

:58:20. > :58:24.pretty loud and there is a bit of hubbub going on behind me. Jeremy

:58:25. > :58:33.Corbyn is still mingling and Venue Cymru here. I'm joined by Lucy

:58:34. > :58:37.Steele and Councillor Callum Hawkins. Let's talk about the Jeremy

:58:38. > :58:44.Corbyn speech, what did you make of it? -- Higgins. He comes across as

:58:45. > :58:49.authentic and it's great to see him at the Welsh conference addressing

:58:50. > :58:56.Welsh issues and Welsh politics. In the context I'm glad that Carwyn has

:58:57. > :59:01.been addressing policy stuff in his speech. What is his role in the

:59:02. > :59:05.elections, people are arguing he is a distraction? We are a party that

:59:06. > :59:10.covers the whole of the UK and we have a UK leader and a Welsh leader.

:59:11. > :59:14.They have separate jobs which is important to recognise. Lucy, you

:59:15. > :59:18.are a youth delegate, how is it going for you? It's going well and

:59:19. > :59:21.it is my first so it's very exciting and I did not really know what to

:59:22. > :59:28.expect but I'm happy with what I've seen so far. Carwyn Jones speaks

:59:29. > :59:32.about a new momentum, do you think when you are out and about, are

:59:33. > :59:37.people in Wales feeling that momentum? I think so, with the whole

:59:38. > :59:42.Jeremy Corbyn thing, it has shaken things up for the whole of Britain

:59:43. > :59:49.and for Wales as well, I think, with this assembly election I think

:59:50. > :59:54.people asked -- are still hyper about it. Let's talk about the

:59:55. > :00:00.speech of Carwyn Jones. We have just heard from him. What did you make of

:00:01. > :00:01.his... Basically saying, I should be the next First Minister, forget

:00:02. > :00:10.about Andrew Davies. I think he's right to say we are in

:00:11. > :00:14.the middle of a process of changing services in Wales. It is a halfway

:00:15. > :00:17.point, a job half done and he is putting forward policies to carry on

:00:18. > :00:21.without change, hard-hitting policies that will make a difference

:00:22. > :00:25.to people's lives. That is what people want, they want to see things

:00:26. > :00:29.that apply to them in real daylight, rather than political theory talked

:00:30. > :00:37.about in speeches. This was about delivering childcare, business tax

:00:38. > :00:43.cuts, things that really matter to people. Lucy, what about the six key

:00:44. > :00:46.pledges, where you impressed? I was really impressed, being a university

:00:47. > :00:49.that I will be able to afford it and I am really glad we have a grand and

:00:50. > :00:55.I hope it stays that way because young people are the future, so it

:00:56. > :01:00.is important we have university -- ag rant. Even if university isn't

:01:01. > :01:03.the road view, we have 100,000 new apprenticeships by the end of the

:01:04. > :01:09.next Assembly elections, so I hope that will be good for young people.

:01:10. > :01:13.Labour has been in Government for 17 years, I guess the real challenge is

:01:14. > :01:16.to cut through the opposition parties, the noise from them, saying

:01:17. > :01:22.you are tired, it is the same old Labour, how'd you do that? I think

:01:23. > :01:25.Carwyn Jones addressed it, it is a lazy argument to say it is our turn

:01:26. > :01:28.because you have been there long enough. You put your policies board

:01:29. > :01:33.and let the public decide. I think the priority was right today, about

:01:34. > :01:37.the policies that matter day today and people can make that choice,

:01:38. > :01:42.whether they think we will carry on delivering. I think we will, I think

:01:43. > :01:45.our policies will help the economy and that future generations,

:01:46. > :01:48.particularly in apprenticeships, as we mentioned. Those are things that

:01:49. > :01:52.matter to people and it is up to the other parties to put their own

:01:53. > :01:55.message forward. I think it is a lazy argument to say we have been

:01:56. > :02:00.here long enough. The Health Service is going to be the real challenge,

:02:01. > :02:03.conveying bad on the doorstep, because that rhetoric, especially

:02:04. > :02:09.from Westminster, has cut through -- conveying that. I think the London

:02:10. > :02:12.media has made it hard to put a positive message board about the

:02:13. > :02:17.Welsh NHS. I think people's experience of it is very good, they

:02:18. > :02:21.value their GP services and hospital services. Record investment in the

:02:22. > :02:25.NHS is a fact in Wales, it can't be disputed and we have do push it on

:02:26. > :02:29.the doorstep. How do you deal with the issue of the long waiting times

:02:30. > :02:34.and the discrepancy between Wales and England, that is fact, isn't it?

:02:35. > :02:38.The report from the OECD says there is not major differences between any

:02:39. > :02:43.of that of old nations, some things are better, some not as good, so you

:02:44. > :02:46.have to improve anywhere -- of the devolved nations. We are putting

:02:47. > :02:51.more money in than ever before and we will carry on doing so. You are

:02:52. > :02:55.both young people, what about a vision for you? We often hear young

:02:56. > :02:59.people don't vote. You are obviously the exception. Do you think Carwyn

:03:00. > :03:05.Jones has done enough to appeal to young voters? I think he has,

:03:06. > :03:09.bringing in lots of pledges for people like me, who are young, and

:03:10. > :03:14.some people do really feel this interested in politics and I think

:03:15. > :03:22.that is something we need to discuss and I think bringing in the grant

:03:23. > :03:30.for university is definitely help and the jobs for 15,000 people,

:03:31. > :03:34.thanks to Jobs Growth Wales. So I think that will push people to think

:03:35. > :03:37.maybe we should vote, because this is something that applies to us,

:03:38. > :03:41.something that is really important to me and I think it will bring

:03:42. > :03:46.other people, who see politics and think it is not the me but it really

:03:47. > :03:49.is and he proved that today. The tuition fees grant, we haven't had a

:03:50. > :03:55.firm commitment in terms of Labour, there have been lots of policy

:03:56. > :03:58.announcements, the Conservatives and Clyde Comrie saying how they would

:03:59. > :04:05.do it differently. What Labour are doing, would you like to see that

:04:06. > :04:08.state? I wouldn't like to see reductions for students to study

:04:09. > :04:12.anywhere, I know different parties are taking different approaches, but

:04:13. > :04:16.I think we have a good and proud record of keeping tuition fees as

:04:17. > :04:21.low as possible for Welsh students wherever they go and I would like to

:04:22. > :04:24.see a concentration on work for graduates in Wales to attract

:04:25. > :04:32.graduates back so they invest in Wales once they have skills. Is it

:04:33. > :04:41.affordable and sustainable? ?22,000 less in debt, we have that much less

:04:42. > :04:45.than England, so it is important that people go out into the jobs

:04:46. > :04:49.world without all of that debt, because it can be disheartening and

:04:50. > :04:54.I would feel terrible if I was in that much debt, so I think the Welsh

:04:55. > :04:59.as a, what they have given to us, is really good. A quick word, it has

:05:00. > :05:03.been a tough time belabour the last couple of years, how'd you feel

:05:04. > :05:08.about the momentum going forward -- tough time for Labour. I am talking

:05:09. > :05:14.about the infighting in Westminster, the row over the leadership UK wide.

:05:15. > :05:18.I think the Assembly is different Westminster and I think people

:05:19. > :05:23.really feel that, they see we are devolved nation and we are in

:05:24. > :05:26.Westminster. We have got some pledges for us and I think the

:05:27. > :05:31.people of Wales and see it as a local thing and that is really

:05:32. > :05:34.connecting to people. I think the election has concentrated minds in

:05:35. > :05:38.Wales, we are getting on with it, we are united in Wales and we are

:05:39. > :05:42.campaigning already and it is a positive step and I hope the whole

:05:43. > :05:46.party nationally looks at these elections as an opportunity to unite

:05:47. > :05:51.and go forward. Both of you, thank you very much, great to hear from

:05:52. > :05:56.you. That is all from us for now. Thank you very much. Going back to

:05:57. > :05:59.Carwyn Jones' speech, where he joked that even he was fed up of the

:06:00. > :06:07.constitution, he was bored by it. We have the Wales Bill in Westminster,

:06:08. > :06:12.that is not going to be an issue is it, in this election? Is the

:06:13. > :06:15.constitution off-limits? Well, the problem we have is there are some

:06:16. > :06:21.deadlines involved here and some of those deadlines come before the

:06:22. > :06:25.election. The Conservatives, the Government and Westminster, want to

:06:26. > :06:30.publish the final draft of the Wales Bill before St David's Day. That is

:06:31. > :06:35.in a couple of weeks' time. We don't know if it is going to be delayed,

:06:36. > :06:39.what concessions there may be. The whole thing is a bit of a mess at

:06:40. > :06:44.the moment and if it becomes enmeshed with the Assembly

:06:45. > :06:51.elections, things could get very, very messy. Do you remember what

:06:52. > :06:55.Carwyn Jones' slogan was back in 2011? "Standing Up for Wales". He

:06:56. > :07:00.would like nothing better than to fight this election by saying Wales

:07:01. > :07:03.voted in a referendum for legislative powers and Westminster,

:07:04. > :07:09.those Tories in Westminster, are trying to take those powers away. So

:07:10. > :07:14.I think it could become enmeshed in the Assembly elections and there is

:07:15. > :07:17.this idea that voters don't understand these constitutional

:07:18. > :07:21.issues, they are not interested in constitutional issues. Well, hello,

:07:22. > :07:26.we are having a referendum on Europe. That is a constitutional

:07:27. > :07:30.issue. If Carwyn Jones can portray Westminster as staging a power grab

:07:31. > :07:34.against Wales, that is a constitutional issue which would

:07:35. > :07:36.engage collectors. This idea that electors are only interested in

:07:37. > :07:42.public services and schools and hospitals, that is not the case. If

:07:43. > :07:46.you can frame a constitutional issue in a way that makes people feel they

:07:47. > :07:50.are being unfairly treated, be devolution or Europe, or whatever,

:07:51. > :07:55.it can work for you as a political issue. One of the main criticisms of

:07:56. > :07:57.the Conservative Government in Westminster is the Welsh Government,

:07:58. > :08:00.Carwyn Jones in particular, likes power but doesn't want the

:08:01. > :08:06.responsibility of raising taxes and so forth. So he likes, lording it,

:08:07. > :08:10.they would argue, but doesn't want to be the one raising the money and

:08:11. > :08:15.be responsible for that. If they go into this election saying they won't

:08:16. > :08:18.raise taxes, can the Conservatives capitalise on that question what

:08:19. > :08:25.even if you get powers, you don't use them? They will try and do that

:08:26. > :08:29.that you have to look at the Welsh taxpayers, and this will be part of

:08:30. > :08:33.Carwyn Jones' calculation. Wales is by most measures the poorest part of

:08:34. > :08:39.the United Kingdom, the tax base is small. There aren't many who pay the

:08:40. > :08:43.40% rate of tax, without talking about the top rate. So any increases

:08:44. > :08:48.in income tax wouldn't actually bring in that much money. That is

:08:49. > :08:54.the first thing. And there is also questions about the mechanism of if

:08:55. > :09:00.you raise taxes, how much of that money would Wales actually keep?

:09:01. > :09:03.Might there be fiscal problems, because we don't know the details of

:09:04. > :09:06.how the settlement will work, whereby Wales raises the money and

:09:07. > :09:09.as a result gets less from when spinster? What is the point of

:09:10. > :09:15.raising taxes it doesn't bring extra money? -- gets less from

:09:16. > :09:21.Westminster. There are huge issues yet to be addressed. Thank you very

:09:22. > :09:24.much an hour, we can cross back to the Shadow Secretary of State for

:09:25. > :09:29.Wales, who is just getting her microphone on. Thank you very much

:09:30. > :09:36.for joining us, rushing out of the hall, and you were on stage there.

:09:37. > :09:42.17 years in power, why do you deserve any more? I think the

:09:43. > :09:45.important thing is we are actually delivering for Wales. We have an

:09:46. > :09:49.excellent delivery record to date, but much more important than that

:09:50. > :09:53.for people now is what we are offering for the future and I think

:09:54. > :09:58.the pledges that car when has announced today are really important

:09:59. > :10:01.for people in Wales. -- that Carwyn Jones. We know how important it is

:10:02. > :10:06.to have really good childcare that is accessible so parents can work.

:10:07. > :10:09.We know how important it is to have apprenticeship opportunities, not

:10:10. > :10:14.just the young people leaving college but for older adults who

:10:15. > :10:18.want to change career. So there is a huge wealth of information in those

:10:19. > :10:21.pledges. Again, the small-business pledge, giving opportunities to

:10:22. > :10:25.small businesses. The opportunity for people to get the treatment they

:10:26. > :10:31.need, the opportunity to raise standards in our schools and of

:10:32. > :10:35.course, the opportunity for older people to retain more of the savings

:10:36. > :10:38.they have if they do have to go into care. These are important things for

:10:39. > :10:44.people in Wales and what really matters now is when people make

:10:45. > :10:47.their choice in May, that they actually think about who do they

:10:48. > :10:52.want to run the country? Do they want Labour, who have got a record

:10:53. > :10:56.of being able to deliver what they promise, have got sensible ideas on

:10:57. > :11:00.how to take things forward? Or a ragbag collection of people who seem

:11:01. > :11:05.to change their ideas every day? You said there would be a huge amount of

:11:06. > :11:09.these pledges, but what about the cost? 30 hours of free childcare for

:11:10. > :11:15.48 weeks? That is not cheap, how much would it cost? The important

:11:16. > :11:18.thing is we have the infrastructure in Wales to provided. We have seen

:11:19. > :11:22.how David Cameron has fallen over himself in England because he tried

:11:23. > :11:26.to impose a childcare pledge on a structure that wasn't there, so this

:11:27. > :11:29.has been growing gradually in the Welsh economy and we have been very

:11:30. > :11:33.clear that it is targeted at those parents who will be in work and it

:11:34. > :11:40.is for three and four-year-olds, so it is very clear how we target it.

:11:41. > :11:43.But how much would it cost? I am not going to go into the figures now

:11:44. > :11:51.because I will not make a mistake... So we don't know. But do we know how

:11:52. > :11:55.much it would cost, the doubling of the 50,000 capital limit for people

:11:56. > :12:00.who go into care? We don't know the cost of that either? Will we know

:12:01. > :12:04.the cost before the election? Yes, of course, in fact the cost on that

:12:05. > :12:09.has been put down as about 10 million. You are never going to be

:12:10. > :12:13.able to absolutely judge when people go into care, but that is a figure

:12:14. > :12:17.we have put down. So if things have been costed, they have been looked

:12:18. > :12:22.at, yes, and we can go into detail if we need to. In terms of the

:12:23. > :12:27.devolution of income tax, we have from Carwyn Jones that income tax

:12:28. > :12:32.would not go up if he were to continue as First Minister. Why not

:12:33. > :12:36.put them up? Wales, as you say over and over again, faces incredible

:12:37. > :12:41.cuts, the budget shrinking from Westminster, that is your mantra

:12:42. > :12:45.always, why not raise taxes? Well, we have been absolutely clear, we

:12:46. > :12:49.have absolutely no plans to make a differentiated tax rate here in

:12:50. > :12:53.Wales from that in England. We know perfectly well that there are

:12:54. > :12:56.perhaps 50% of the population of Wales that live within commuting

:12:57. > :13:01.distance of the border and they know work is being done on what type of

:13:02. > :13:07.effect these changes might have. We think it would be irresponsible to

:13:08. > :13:10.go ahead on that basis. If other parties are talking about cutting

:13:11. > :13:15.taxes, they need to explain which services they are going to cope. But

:13:16. > :13:19.you could put them up, I am saying, get more money into the coppers and

:13:20. > :13:25.say to however many 40% tax payers there are in Wales, not many, but

:13:26. > :13:29.say we will take more from you. As I say, we have made a firm pledge that

:13:30. > :13:33.we will not put taxes up, we will not mess about with people's income

:13:34. > :13:38.tax. We want to be absolutely clear about that to the voters of Wales.

:13:39. > :13:42.Can I ask you about the main news development this morning and

:13:43. > :13:46.overnight, the negotiations in Brussels and the Cabinet meeting in

:13:47. > :13:51.Downing Street. We expect the date for the referendum now and it looks

:13:52. > :13:56.as if it could be June the 23rd. Jeremy Corbyn is happy with June,

:13:57. > :14:02.Carwyn Jones is very unhappy. Who is right? I think the important thing

:14:03. > :14:07.is, look, we have had David Cameron in Brussels, what it really tells us

:14:08. > :14:10.is that if you want reform in the EU, you can go and get to the

:14:11. > :14:13.negotiating table and you can negotiate reform and when we go into

:14:14. > :14:17.the referendum now, what we need to remember is the number of jobs in

:14:18. > :14:22.Wales that depend on that referendum and that is what the argument needs

:14:23. > :14:28.to be about, not what date it is. Carwyn Jones is very concerned,

:14:29. > :14:30.isn't he, that it could overshadow the Assembly elections? He has

:14:31. > :14:34.written to the Prime Minister, he wasn't backed by Jeremy Corbyn on

:14:35. > :14:40.that. You sit in Jeremy Corbyn's Cabinet. Who do you back? Do you

:14:41. > :14:44.want a referendum in June? I don't want a referendum at all, but as we

:14:45. > :14:47.are having a referendum, obviously it will have an affect on the Welsh

:14:48. > :14:51.elections and I think it will have an affect whether it is sooner or

:14:52. > :14:56.later, because there seems to be an obsession in the media with the

:14:57. > :15:00.referendum -- have an effect. Thank you very much for joining us. Now,

:15:01. > :15:03.before we came on air this morning, as we have been hearing, the leader

:15:04. > :15:06.of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn addressed the Welsh conference for

:15:07. > :15:17.the first time and here is what he had to say.

:15:18. > :15:23.SPEAKS WELSH. Thank you very much for inviting me

:15:24. > :15:28.here today. It is an absolute pleasure to be back in Llandudno in

:15:29. > :15:32.Labour Wales, where our party has been making a massive difference for

:15:33. > :15:36.the past 17 years. Let me just run through some of the things that have

:15:37. > :15:42.been achieved what Labour in Wales has achieved. A Health Service is

:15:43. > :15:45.free from unnecessary top-down reorganisation and privatisation.

:15:46. > :15:49.Where's your hospitals are not struggling with record deficit due

:15:50. > :15:53.to the legacy of Private finance initiative. You in Wales funded

:15:54. > :15:59.investment on the books and this is delivering. The Tories are desperate

:16:00. > :16:06.to run down the NHS in Wales, but the record tells a very different

:16:07. > :16:11.story. The NHS in Wales is treating more people than ever before and 90%

:16:12. > :16:16.say they received good treatment. Free prescriptions for all, and a

:16:17. > :16:21.new treatment fund being set up for life-threatening illnesses. On

:16:22. > :16:24.cancer waiting times Wales is doing better than England and is a viable

:16:25. > :16:30.rates are improving faster than anywhere in Britain. -- survival

:16:31. > :16:34.rates. You have protected the social care budget which was slashed in

:16:35. > :16:37.England putting an increased burden on the NHS in England and is

:16:38. > :16:43.terrible for people affected and a false economy as well. In Wales you

:16:44. > :16:48.did not pick a fight with hard-working, dedicated junior

:16:49. > :16:58.doctors. There are good industrial relations in Wales. APPLAUSE

:16:59. > :17:01.No strikes provoked and no operations cancelled unnecessarily.

:17:02. > :17:06.We strongly support the doctors and don't want to put patient safety at

:17:07. > :17:10.risk. Last week I had the privilege of spending a couple of hours with a

:17:11. > :17:16.group of junior doctors. Let's be clear, they are not junior, they are

:17:17. > :17:22.dedicated, highly qualified people on whom we all depend. They are

:17:23. > :17:26.alarmed that the direction that our NHS is taking. As a parting gift to

:17:27. > :17:35.them at the end of the meeting they gave me this book by a GP. Don't get

:17:36. > :17:40.me wrong, he does not want to dismantle the NHS, his agenda is

:17:41. > :17:46.very much the opposite. What he describes is how it starts with an

:17:47. > :17:49.internal market. And ends up going through a whole process of

:17:50. > :17:54.privatisation, and contracting out and ends up with the introduction of

:17:55. > :18:00.universal private health-insurance. Quite bluntly, our NHS is ours for

:18:01. > :18:14.ever to keep, free at the point of use for everybody. APPLAUSE

:18:15. > :18:22.Labour cares and invests in care. The founder of the National Health

:18:23. > :18:26.Service said, and there are many things he said that our brilliant

:18:27. > :18:34.but I will quote this one, illness is a misfortune, the cost of which

:18:35. > :18:37.should be shared by the community as a whole. That is surely a watchword

:18:38. > :18:43.and principle that possibly many Tories simply do not understand. We

:18:44. > :18:49.understand it, we get it and we will defend the NHS.

:18:50. > :18:55.I want to say a big thank you to Welsh Labour for their work on the

:18:56. > :19:01.NHS, in particular to the health Minister Mark Drakeford for the work

:19:02. > :19:05.he has done, it is fantastic that we have achieved so much. In Wales you

:19:06. > :19:10.have built an education system that has delivered the best ever GCSE

:19:11. > :19:16.results. When new schools are built and primary school pupils get free

:19:17. > :19:18.breakfasts, and the poorest college students will get the education

:19:19. > :19:25.maintenance allowance that was cruelly scrapped by the Tories. In

:19:26. > :19:29.my constituency in London there is no EMA, apart from that that my

:19:30. > :19:33.council can deliver that young people are losing out on educational

:19:34. > :19:39.opportunities and it does not happen in Wales. Welsh students are not

:19:40. > :19:42.shackled by mountainous debts and grants are maintained, and it is

:19:43. > :19:47.shocking that English judo and is leave university with an average of

:19:48. > :19:51.?22,000 more in debt and Welsh students. This is a shocking burden

:19:52. > :19:55.that shackles young people as they start out in life and it is known as

:19:56. > :20:02.a prize they have such difficulty in getting housing as they move on. --

:20:03. > :20:07.it is no surprise. Then there is jobs growth in Wales which has

:20:08. > :20:12.helped 15,000 young people into work and the Young entrepreneurs bursary

:20:13. > :20:17.that helps young people set up 400 businesses in Wales. And your plans

:20:18. > :20:21.to deliver 100,000 quality apprenticeships. We have invested in

:20:22. > :20:29.young people and their education and skills, by doing so we are investing

:20:30. > :20:32.in our future, for all of us. I'd visit colleges and universities all

:20:33. > :20:36.over Britain when I travel around and I have to say I was really

:20:37. > :20:39.impressed with the new campus of Swansea University on the day, and

:20:40. > :20:47.the support given by the Welsh government. -- on the Bay. Looking

:20:48. > :20:52.at the high-tech work they are doing, we had a good day, and it is

:20:53. > :20:56.paying dividends, it is developing the periphery of the university

:20:57. > :21:00.because of the investment that was put into the campus in the first

:21:01. > :21:04.place. The Tories are not investing in young people but cutting down

:21:05. > :21:09.their opportunities. Weighing them down with debt, limiting their life

:21:10. > :21:13.choices. We all know this is not fair. Labour in Wales proves there

:21:14. > :21:15.is an alternative, the rest of Britain needs to listen to what

:21:16. > :21:29.Wales is doing. There is so much that the Labour

:21:30. > :21:33.Party across Britain can learn from Wales and we will. I want to pay

:21:34. > :21:36.tribute to Carwyn Jones, the First Minister and thank him for all that

:21:37. > :21:40.has been achieved for the Welsh Labour Party and the people of

:21:41. > :21:44.Wales. I want to thank the assembly members for the work they do and the

:21:45. > :21:48.party members and activists which ensured we got a Welsh Labour

:21:49. > :21:52.government in the first place. Thank you to all of them and to our party

:21:53. > :21:53.staff for the work they do and will be doing in these crucial couple of

:21:54. > :22:06.months ahead. I also want to thank the Shadow

:22:07. > :22:11.Secretary of State for Wales, I was delighted when she accepted the job.

:22:12. > :22:16.She makes a fantastic contribution in the Shadow Cabinet. She makes

:22:17. > :22:23.sure that the voice of Wales is heard and respected in Westminster.

:22:24. > :22:27.She brought in a couple of party members -- a couple of hundred party

:22:28. > :22:30.members to an event which was a fantastic evening and showed the

:22:31. > :22:38.vibrancy of the Labour Party in Wales. In an age when politics is

:22:39. > :22:44.treated with cynicism, what an inspiring record of hope and

:22:45. > :22:48.achievement that has been here. Delivering despite the fact the

:22:49. > :22:51.Tories have got your budget by more than ?1 billion. Perhaps the

:22:52. > :22:57.greatest achievement would bear fruit until the summer, the football

:22:58. > :23:01.team. -- will not bear fruit until the summer. In international

:23:02. > :23:04.competition for the first time since 1958 when I was nine. It is a

:23:05. > :23:11.problem for me because I'm an Arsenal fan, but it's all right,

:23:12. > :23:20.when you watch Power Mac and it is in Aaron Ramsey in the red shirt, --

:23:21. > :23:26.our magnificent Aaron Ramsey. Our loyalties will not be split at all.

:23:27. > :23:30.Go Aaron Ramsey. APPLAUSE All eyes will be on Europe this

:23:31. > :23:36.summer, not just for football but for political reasons as well. EU

:23:37. > :23:40.referendum is now likely to take place in June and Labour will be

:23:41. > :23:44.campaigning for Britain to stay in. In Wales you know the benefits of EU

:23:45. > :23:49.membership delivering jobs, growth and investment in Wales as much as

:23:50. > :23:54.any part of the UK. It is the role that Labour has played in Europe to

:23:55. > :24:00.deliver rights to minimum paid leave, writes for agency workers,

:24:01. > :24:03.paid maternity and paternity leave, equal pay and discrimination laws

:24:04. > :24:10.and protection for the workforce when companies change ownership. It

:24:11. > :24:14.was Labour and are excellent MEPs in partnership with trade unions that

:24:15. > :24:21.made sure that Cameron's attempts to dilute workers rights were kept off

:24:22. > :24:25.the negotiation agenda this time. We will be running in campaign because

:24:26. > :24:29.the case for being in Europe is about delivering a better Britain

:24:30. > :24:34.for workers and consumers. Despite the fanfare, the deal that Cameron

:24:35. > :24:38.has made in Brussels on Britain's relationship with the U is a

:24:39. > :24:43.sideshow, and the changes he has negotiated are largely irrelevant to

:24:44. > :24:50.the problems most British people face and the decisions we must now

:24:51. > :24:54.made. -- with the EU. His priorities have been appeasing his opponents in

:24:55. > :24:59.the Conservative Party but he has done nothing to promote secure jobs,

:25:00. > :25:04.protect our steel industry, or stop the spread of low pay and the

:25:05. > :25:09.undercutting of wages in Britain. Labour's priorities are for reform

:25:10. > :25:13.in the EU and it would be different, and David Cameron's deal is a missed

:25:14. > :25:17.opportunity to make the real changes that we need. We will campaign to

:25:18. > :25:22.keep Britain in Europe in the coming referendum regardless of the

:25:23. > :25:26.tinkering of David Cameron because it brings investment, jobs and

:25:27. > :25:30.protection for workers and consumers. Labour believes that the

:25:31. > :25:35.EU is a vital framework for European trade and cooperation in the

:25:36. > :25:40.21st-century and voting to remain in is in the best interests of our

:25:41. > :25:45.people. We want to be progressive to make the EU work for working people

:25:46. > :25:51.including strengthening workers rights, putting jobs and sustainable

:25:52. > :25:55.growth at the heart of EU economic policy, democratisation and greater

:25:56. > :25:59.accountability of EU institutions and an absolute halt to the pressure

:26:00. > :26:11.to privatise public services by some elements in the European Union.

:26:12. > :26:16.Cameron will do nothing... APPLAUSE He will do nothing against these

:26:17. > :26:22.issues, his emergency brake on migrant benefits is largely

:26:23. > :26:28.irrelevant, there is no evidence that taking benefits from low-paid

:26:29. > :26:32.migrants will put a penny in the pockets of low-paid workers in

:26:33. > :26:40.Britain and stop the exploitation of migrant workers by unscrupulous

:26:41. > :26:48.employers. APPLAUSE The issue that the Tories don't

:26:49. > :26:51.address is the low wages and the way employers are systematically

:26:52. > :26:56.undercut by undercutting industry agreements. We will stand up to the

:26:57. > :27:02.xenophobia of Ukip. Attacking Europe or deeper nice thing immigrants does

:27:03. > :27:07.not increase anyone's pay, it does not build a single home or provide a

:27:08. > :27:11.single child with a free breakfast. -- demonising immigrants. It does

:27:12. > :27:20.not deliver for anyone who needs help. APPLAUSE

:27:21. > :27:29.Theirs is a vision of despair. A mantra of hate and fear. Labour will

:27:30. > :27:42.never pander to the xenophobia or any kind of racism whatsoever within

:27:43. > :27:47.our society. The NHS in Wales and the NHS in England both know the

:27:48. > :27:52.value of thousands of doctors dedicated to our NHS and anyone who

:27:53. > :27:57.has been treated by any of our magnificent staff knows how strong

:27:58. > :28:01.the commitment is. But while Labour in Wales is working together with

:28:02. > :28:07.people to improve lives but the actions of the Tories in Westminster

:28:08. > :28:09.act against that at every turn. The Institute for Fiscal Studies says

:28:10. > :28:15.that tax and benefit changes in the past five years have left left the

:28:16. > :28:20.average household in Wales 506 the pounds worse off. When the Tories

:28:21. > :28:26.get in power, this is what they do, tax cuts for the few, the super-rich

:28:27. > :28:29.and big business, public service cuts and welfare cuts for the many.

:28:30. > :28:38.You know which side the Tories are on. We have gratuitous inequality in

:28:39. > :28:43.this country, the average pay of top Chief Executive is compared with the

:28:44. > :28:49.average worker is risen from 47 Times in 1998 to 183 times last

:28:50. > :28:55.year. For too many people in the UK who are not the super-rich elite,

:28:56. > :28:59.and there are quite a few, life is racked by insecurity at work and at

:29:00. > :29:05.home and the Tories are making it worse. Labour believes that we only

:29:06. > :29:13.succeed if we all succeed, together. The impact of this insecurity on

:29:14. > :29:18.people's lives can be huge. It affects physical and mental health

:29:19. > :29:23.and I want to pay tribute to Luciano Berger, the Shadow Minister for

:29:24. > :29:29.health, who has campaigned relentlessly that it is matched by

:29:30. > :29:33.reality and are Labour Party is determined that mental health should

:29:34. > :29:44.not be treated as a pariah but a central part of our caring role in

:29:45. > :29:51.society. The Tories have no plan for the economy, no strategy in industry

:29:52. > :29:54.and no wish to make the economy work for everyone, they stood by as the

:29:55. > :29:59.steel industry got into trouble and jobs were lost and communities

:30:00. > :30:04.suffered like import Tolbert. Across Europe other countries took action

:30:05. > :30:08.and the Tories stood by and let those jobs go.

:30:09. > :30:15.We have met with our European counterparts with this and raised it

:30:16. > :30:19.and I raised it with the Chinese president when I met him and

:30:20. > :30:24.delegations from China. We can, even in opposition, do our best to take

:30:25. > :30:28.action to protect our industry. The Tories have failed to invest in

:30:29. > :30:32.modernising the economy. We are way behind other countries on our

:30:33. > :30:38.digital infrastructure, our transport, energy system and our

:30:39. > :30:42.housing. Just this week, the OECD has downgraded its UK growth

:30:43. > :30:47.forecasts and told George Osborne it is time to stop the austerity and

:30:48. > :30:55.invest in our country's future. Austerity is a political choice.

:30:56. > :31:01.APPLAUSE. This OECD reverence confirms what

:31:02. > :31:06.our Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell and I have been saying since

:31:07. > :31:12.September, the Tories' austerity is a political choice, not an economic

:31:13. > :31:17.necessity. Their cuts both and unnecessary. In 2010, they said

:31:18. > :31:24.their long-term economic plan would sort all this out and the deficit

:31:25. > :31:29.would be abrogated by now. Last time I looked, it is 2016. Their

:31:30. > :31:36.long-term plan has taken much longer than they said, but that matter the

:31:37. > :31:42.lid they turn to short-term plan time and time again, it is to shrink

:31:43. > :31:48.the state, shrink stability and opportunity. Low pay, job

:31:49. > :31:51.insecurity, holding people back. Meaning too many families are

:31:52. > :31:55.struggling to make ends meet, to pay the rent and pay the mortgage. A

:31:56. > :32:01.good job, a good home, should be the source of security. For too many

:32:02. > :32:07.people, their job and their home are a source not of security but of

:32:08. > :32:12.anxiety. 6 million workers in Britain are now paid less than the

:32:13. > :32:17.living wage in low pay Tory Britain. And what is the Tory response to

:32:18. > :32:22.this crisis? To weaken trade unions, the most effective way in which

:32:23. > :32:25.people stand up for better pay. And instead of backing the real living

:32:26. > :32:33.wage, they are bringing in a pony living wage, lower, of course, and

:32:34. > :32:38.younger workers are blocked out from this modest increase -- a phoney

:32:39. > :32:42.living wage. There is a housing crisis across Britain. Under David

:32:43. > :32:47.Cameron, homeownership is then, rent is up, eviction is up and

:32:48. > :32:51.homelessness is up. And what is the response crush model lowest rate of

:32:52. > :32:55.house building across Britain since the 1920s and forcing councils to

:32:56. > :32:59.sell off council housing at a time when it has never been more vital. I

:33:00. > :33:04.know Labour in Wales is consulting on whether to scrap the right to

:33:05. > :33:06.buy, because we need more, not fewer council homes to deal with the

:33:07. > :33:19.housing shortage. When Labour's Therese appears, our

:33:20. > :33:27.trees appears, put an amendment to the housing bill before the House of

:33:28. > :33:32.commons, to ensure that homes for rent in the housing sector must be

:33:33. > :33:36.fit for human habitation, the Tories voted it down. They don't believe

:33:37. > :33:43.that of the private rented sector believes matter than it needs to be

:33:44. > :33:48.regulated. I do, you do and we will regulated Macca delete regulate it.

:33:49. > :33:53.Whether it is the crisis of low pay for the housing crisis, it is Labour

:33:54. > :33:55.offering solutions. Labour councils like a real difference in

:33:56. > :33:59.communities and the Labour Government make a difference here in

:34:00. > :34:03.Wales. It was a great Labour politician that described what

:34:04. > :34:09.Labour does. We build security, we build the institutions of fairness

:34:10. > :34:15.and we build them in place of fear. We offer hope, collective

:34:16. > :34:21.opportunity and, of course, we are the party of social justice and

:34:22. > :34:25.environmental justice. When it comes to rip off energy bills, it is

:34:26. > :34:29.Labour councils that are setting up energy companies, such as in

:34:30. > :34:33.Nottingham, the Robin Hood energy company, to get a better deal for

:34:34. > :34:37.residents and to tackle climate change. We can reduce bills the

:34:38. > :34:42.people and we can tackle climate change, there is no contradiction.

:34:43. > :34:47.That is why 70 Labour councils are committed to eliminate all carbon

:34:48. > :34:51.emissions by 2050, including major cities like Edinburgh, Newcastle,

:34:52. > :34:58.Manchester and Liverpool and here in Wales, Swansea and carefully. And

:34:59. > :35:04.Labour Wales are set out a clear policy -- Kyo Philly. A low carbon

:35:05. > :35:08.transition and supporting transition the twin energy services. And what

:35:09. > :35:18.have the Tories done? They continue to fail to invest in low carbon

:35:19. > :35:23.energy, cut solar energy but increase them for fracking and

:35:24. > :35:27.diesel generators. That is the Tory choice. On pay, housing and the

:35:28. > :35:31.environment, the Tory stand-by. Labour is standing up. The message

:35:32. > :35:36.for the election in May is very clear. Labour is the best protection

:35:37. > :35:40.for your community against the onslaught of Tory cuts. We must

:35:41. > :35:45.expose all the Tory failures. Class sizes up, hospital waiting lists up,

:35:46. > :35:51.homelessness up, eviction is up, queues at food banks up, child

:35:52. > :35:54.poverty up, while services like social care, on which communities

:35:55. > :35:58.absolutely rely, are being cut. They failed to rebuild and rebalance the

:35:59. > :36:01.economy. They are hoping that rising household debt would somehow or

:36:02. > :36:07.other keep the economy afloat. We know what happened last time they

:36:08. > :36:12.did this. Having Labour on your side is the best protection for your

:36:13. > :36:17.community. Where there is a Labour mayor or cancel or Government such

:36:18. > :36:22.as we have here in Wales. Communities are paying the price.

:36:23. > :36:26.Cutting corners in public service funding, as the winter floods show.

:36:27. > :36:29.If the Tories had continued our investment in flood defences,

:36:30. > :36:34.particularly the north of England, had kept on the very skilled senior

:36:35. > :36:40.staff in the Environment Agency, employed to make these decisions in

:36:41. > :36:43.emergencies, and had protected the emergency services who responded so

:36:44. > :36:46.magnificently to try and save lives and homes during those very

:36:47. > :36:50.difficult days and weeks, we would not have seen that level of

:36:51. > :36:55.destruction and flood damage that caused so much anguish to so many

:36:56. > :36:59.people, as their homes were damaged and their belongings ruined. A flood

:37:00. > :37:02.is a disaster for individuals. Well done in Wales. Then up to protect

:37:03. > :37:11.the flood defence programme here. APPLAUSE.

:37:12. > :37:15.Now, transport infrastructure is absolutely crucial to industrial

:37:16. > :37:19.development and growth and I praise the Welsh Government's support for

:37:20. > :37:22.the reopening an improvement of the Valley railway lines. Plans to

:37:23. > :37:25.improve links in the south-east of Wales and the crucial need to

:37:26. > :37:29.improve the North Wales line and the road links that go with it. One of

:37:30. > :37:34.the most beautiful railway lines in the world has to be the mid Wales

:37:35. > :37:40.line. Growing up in Shropshire, I love travelling on it and my heart

:37:41. > :37:44.truly sang when I went on to the coastal railway route. We have some

:37:45. > :37:46.fantastic railways in Wales and I look forward to the renaissance of

:37:47. > :37:54.them with a continuing Labour Government in Wales. Now, I am going

:37:55. > :37:58.to be back in Wales many times over the next few weeks, but I will be

:37:59. > :38:04.back next month delivering the Kia Harding Memorial address. A man who

:38:05. > :38:09.represented a Welsh constituency, founder and first leader of the

:38:10. > :38:14.Labour Party and did so much to inspire us. We learn from the past

:38:15. > :38:18.in order to guide us in the future -- Kier Harding. Labour offers a

:38:19. > :38:22.much-needed alternative to the falls economy the Tories are offering. We

:38:23. > :38:27.have already challenged them in Parliament and outside and one on a

:38:28. > :38:32.number of quite important issues. We forced them into a U-turn on cutting

:38:33. > :38:38.working tax credits, meaning that 3 million families will no longer be

:38:39. > :38:48.hit this April with a ?1000 cut to their family income. That was a

:38:49. > :38:52.Labour victory over the Tories. We made them backtracked on plans to

:38:53. > :38:56.further cut police numbers in the Autumn Statement and thus protected

:38:57. > :39:01.the community policing budget, which is so important across the whole of

:39:02. > :39:08.the UK. And we stood up for human rights against the proposal that the

:39:09. > :39:11.UK Justice Ministry would run the Saudi Arabian Prison Service on

:39:12. > :39:15.behalf of the Saudi Arabian Government. How outrageous is that?

:39:16. > :39:28.We forced them to backtracked on that as well. -- backtrack. Because

:39:29. > :39:34.our party, Labour... Your mints for later. Labour is standing up, not

:39:35. > :39:38.standing by. We let people down last May. We lost the election. All the

:39:39. > :39:42.horrors that the Tories are inflicting and doing now is because

:39:43. > :39:46.Labour didn't win. But since then, the membership of our party has

:39:47. > :39:50.doubled also I was very proud to be elected leader of our party and I

:39:51. > :39:54.want to see a new kind of politics. Honest, straightforward,

:39:55. > :40:00.straightforward thinking and straight talking. Because our party

:40:01. > :40:07.is one of social justice. Every child deserves a good education.

:40:08. > :40:14.Every student, the option to study at college or university. Everyone

:40:15. > :40:21.deserves a decent and secure home to live in. Nobody should ever be left

:40:22. > :40:26.destitute. The grotesque levels of inequality are run justifiable and

:40:27. > :40:32.they must go. We are living through an area of the most grotesque and

:40:33. > :40:38.deepening inequality, in Britain and in the West. In the USA, the issue

:40:39. > :40:42.has come full circle. That debate is now, at last, dominating much of the

:40:43. > :40:48.politics and the primary campaign. We must ensure that it also

:40:49. > :40:52.dominates the political debate in this country. Inequality is

:40:53. > :40:55.unnecessary and wrong. We can, will and must do something about it.

:40:56. > :41:07.APPLAUSE. The cynics say there is something

:41:08. > :41:13.inevitable that the next generation will be worse off than this one. You

:41:14. > :41:17.know, your children won't get the same services you get from your

:41:18. > :41:24.grandchildren and so on, it gets worse and worse. I say this, it is

:41:25. > :41:30.not inevitable and not necessary. It is our socialist duty to expand

:41:31. > :41:33.wealth, but crucially to share it, so the next generation is better off

:41:34. > :41:38.than this one and our grandchildren are better off than our children in

:41:39. > :41:43.a sustainable, productive world. These things are possible. They are

:41:44. > :41:45.delivered by the collective endeavour of people and the

:41:46. > :41:52.collective inspiration of our communities and of our party. We are

:41:53. > :41:55.united in our determination to take on the Tories and to fight for the

:41:56. > :42:01.better country that Labour can deliver, as you have delivered in

:42:02. > :42:05.Wales. You have got a great record here in Wales and a great plan to

:42:06. > :42:08.deliver for a better future. Together, we will deliver it and

:42:09. > :42:20.continue delivering for the people of Wales.

:42:21. > :42:26.Jeremy Corbyn addressing the conference earlier this morning.

:42:27. > :42:30.Well, breaking news now, in the past few minutes, the Prime Minister has

:42:31. > :42:34.announced a date for a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU.

:42:35. > :42:37.Speaking outside Downing Street, he said Britain would be safer and

:42:38. > :42:44.stronger in a reformed European Union. On Monday, I will commence

:42:45. > :42:51.the process set out under our referendum act and I will go to

:42:52. > :42:56.Parliament and proposed that the British people decide our future in

:42:57. > :42:59.Europe via an in-out referendum on Thursday the 23rd of June. The

:43:00. > :43:07.choice is in your hands, but my recommendation is clear. I believe

:43:08. > :43:13.that Britain will be safer, stronger and better off in a reformed

:43:14. > :43:18.European Union. Thank you very much. David Cameron speaking earlier.

:43:19. > :43:22.Joining me from conference in Llandudno, the Shadow leader of the

:43:23. > :43:28.Commons, Chris Bryant. Good morning and also of course, a former

:43:29. > :43:32.European minister. I am the last Europe minister. It is David

:43:33. > :43:38.Livingstone now and I was the last one! You did it so well, no one

:43:39. > :43:44.could succeed you. Three people took over my job. Sorry, I think you are

:43:45. > :43:48.asking me what I think about the referendum on the 23rd of June and

:43:49. > :43:52.you will be shocked to hear I am for staying in. My membership card says

:43:53. > :43:55.that the Labour Party fundamentally believes we can achieve far more

:43:56. > :44:00.when we work together, when we cooperate, than we do when we try to

:44:01. > :44:05.go it alone and in the end, that is my view about Europe as well. I

:44:06. > :44:10.think we, as Europeans, as British people, are able to achieve far more

:44:11. > :44:14.for Britain when we cooperate. If you think about people trafficking,

:44:15. > :44:17.that goes cross-country, doesn't it? Of course you have to cooperate if

:44:18. > :44:21.you are to tackle bad and some of the horrible scenes we have seen in

:44:22. > :44:24.this country where people have been trafficked through seven different

:44:25. > :44:28.countries in the European Union, we need to use the European Union

:44:29. > :44:32.better to tackle that. Likewise, we are not hermetically sealed when it

:44:33. > :44:36.comes to the climate and if you are going to tackle climate deregulation

:44:37. > :44:42.and change, you have to do that jointly, so I am passionately for

:44:43. > :44:50.in. And what about the deal? Did Mr Cameron get a good deal for the UK?

:44:51. > :44:54.It's better than it was but to be honest we would be cutting off our

:44:55. > :45:01.nose to spite our face if we left the European Union. How many jobs in

:45:02. > :45:04.Wales rely expressly and solely on our membership? Think of Airbus and

:45:05. > :45:09.so many different parts of the aeronautical industry in Wales are

:45:10. > :45:12.here because of that joint effort with other countries within the

:45:13. > :45:17.European Union. On top of that we know that we have had structural

:45:18. > :45:22.support in the valleys, which has been invaluable to keeping the

:45:23. > :45:25.economy going in tough times, money that would not have come from a

:45:26. > :45:33.Westminster government especially a Tory government. For my voters in

:45:34. > :45:37.the Rhondda I would be letting us down if I weren't going to devote

:45:38. > :45:41.every drop of my blood, energy, passion, and sweat and my

:45:42. > :45:45.intellectual energy and whatever I've got to trying to make sure that

:45:46. > :45:50.every single person in Wales votes to stay in the European Union on the

:45:51. > :45:57.23rd of June. Forget about David Cameron. That's interesting, that is

:45:58. > :46:00.your focus, but what about the elections, you have to maintain

:46:01. > :46:06.energy for those? If you are channelling everything into the

:46:07. > :46:14.referendum it will overshadow the assembly campaign? My comrades in

:46:15. > :46:22.the Rhondda, we will be knocking on doors for as many days as we can.

:46:23. > :46:27.And talking about Europe? Yes, because that will also be something

:46:28. > :46:31.people are concerned about. Then we have to focus on the 23rd of June

:46:32. > :46:38.because that is about the future. This is exactly why Cameron Jones --

:46:39. > :46:46.Carwyn Jones did not want it in June. He did not want it in June, in

:46:47. > :46:49.September if at all. The fact that Jeremy Corbyn back to June

:46:50. > :46:53.referendum, it is going to overshadow that and there will be

:46:54. > :46:58.lots of people in your party very cross that that is presumably

:46:59. > :47:02.inevitable? It's not our decision when the referendum is, it will be

:47:03. > :47:05.on the 23rd of June and we have elections in May and I'm determined

:47:06. > :47:10.to make sure that Labour returns a victory if it can, a majority in the

:47:11. > :47:14.National Assembly for Wales because it is in the interests of my

:47:15. > :47:20.constituents and incidentally, we saw today this morning from Cam Ranh

:47:21. > :47:29.and absolutely cracking speech. -- from car -- from Carwyn Jones.

:47:30. > :47:36.Making sure businesses have a chance to prosper and have lower business

:47:37. > :47:40.rates. Pledges around having to go into residential care and being able

:47:41. > :47:45.to keep more of the capital costs. These things that appeal to people

:47:46. > :47:51.in my constituency as well as in other special funds for dealing with

:47:52. > :47:55.cancer. When you look at the successes we have had, nothing is

:47:56. > :47:58.perfect, but people will want to go coming yes, we want Labour back in

:47:59. > :48:05.the assembly and back in the driving seat in May. Is that how it will

:48:06. > :48:09.Devi up? Assembly members focus on the elections and MPs for Labour

:48:10. > :48:16.focus on the referendum? Is that the divide? I will be knocking on doors

:48:17. > :48:21.in the Rhondda and we do all the time, we do. I know everyone always

:48:22. > :48:25.goes, we never see you, and there was a man last week who told me that

:48:26. > :48:30.I'd never knocked on his door but I reminded him that I did last year

:48:31. > :48:37.and he told me I never did! He said, oh yes. We do it all the time in the

:48:38. > :48:40.Rhondda. We are the Labour team and we will do it right the way through

:48:41. > :48:49.to the elections and then we will fight for a Yes vote in the

:48:50. > :48:54.referendum. The campaign has begun. Thank you very much. After his

:48:55. > :48:58.speech this morning Jeremy Corbyn spoke to our political editor and

:48:59. > :49:04.top of the agenda, no prizes for guessing, was the deal. Jeremy

:49:05. > :49:10.Corbyn, you have been very critical of David Cameron's deal on the EU

:49:11. > :49:14.but the trouble is that you have to sell it on the doorstep? The problem

:49:15. > :49:18.is that Cameron has actually done nothing to help ordinary people in

:49:19. > :49:20.Britain and he has done nothing about wages and jobs and nothing

:49:21. > :49:29.about longer-term investment that is a missed opportunity. We are

:49:30. > :49:36.talking about a Europe that is not promoting austerity and is promoting

:49:37. > :49:39.investment in people. We are where we are, isn't this old-fashioned

:49:40. > :49:46.tribal politics coming in and actually it could endanger the

:49:47. > :49:50.attempt to remain in the EU which is something that you support? Not at

:49:51. > :49:54.all, this is not tribal politics, this is about the Labour Party

:49:55. > :49:58.representing people and their needs and desires and pointing out what

:49:59. > :50:03.Cameron has done is not actually helping anyone, it is not helping

:50:04. > :50:06.wages and jobs and investment and it does nothing for the steel industry.

:50:07. > :50:13.All of these things he could and should have been doing but instead

:50:14. > :50:16.it is a war within the Tory party that has been played out across a

:50:17. > :50:22.whole continent. What about protecting the sovereignty of the

:50:23. > :50:26.UK, presumably that is something... Sovereignty in the UK has never been

:50:27. > :50:30.at risk, no one's sovereignty is at risk in the European Union, it is a

:50:31. > :50:35.union of states with a common agenda. He has decided to turn it

:50:36. > :50:39.into something else and it was never on the agenda anyway and he knows

:50:40. > :50:44.that. It's all about the Tory party and not about this country. It is

:50:45. > :50:50.about a dispute in the Tory party between xenophobes who want to leave

:50:51. > :50:52.anyway and Cameron who once essentially a sort of market

:50:53. > :50:59.orientated Europe. We want the social Justice Europe. It will

:51:00. > :51:03.involve the entire country. Indeed it will come at the referendum will

:51:04. > :51:09.come and I guess it will be in June. We are looking forward to it. What

:51:10. > :51:14.about the issue of the Kurds to benefits for migrants? Will you

:51:15. > :51:18.support that? The Kurds to migrant benefits is something that is going

:51:19. > :51:20.to have to be debated by the commission and the European

:51:21. > :51:25.Parliament and it is not a done deal by any means and it won't be a done

:51:26. > :51:31.deal until well after the election. My view is that we should instead

:51:32. > :51:35.address the issue of in work benefits because their wages are too

:51:36. > :51:41.low. When you speak to the Labour ranks, presumably we will get a date

:51:42. > :51:46.confirmed any time now, what will you tell them, because mines will be

:51:47. > :51:50.focused on the referendum? A Labour government in 2020 will be about

:51:51. > :51:54.extending workers rights and social protection and extending

:51:55. > :52:00.environmental protection in Europe and questioning the whole world is a

:52:01. > :52:06.transatlantic trade partnership and the protection that goes with it

:52:07. > :52:09.because of the danger that it presents to public services,

:52:10. > :52:12.particularly the National health and other services. We will say that

:52:13. > :52:19.it's a lay-by agenda you can vote for and we will deliver in 2020. We

:52:20. > :52:24.have not seen much of you. You will be seeing plenty of me, every

:52:25. > :52:29.railway line in Wales will be visited by me. Thanks very much.

:52:30. > :52:37.That was Jeremy Corbyn earlier. He likes the railways. Yes, I picture

:52:38. > :52:42.him campaigning... We have a pledge. In terms of the timing of the

:52:43. > :52:45.referendum, I can speak to you about it, the 23rd of June as predicted

:52:46. > :52:53.but it's going to have an impact on the assembly elections? You know, it

:52:54. > :52:58.will. We will have a flurry around Europe over the next few days, I

:52:59. > :53:04.suspect it is still a long way away and it may die back a bit and I

:53:05. > :53:07.think all of the parties will attempt to put the elections front

:53:08. > :53:14.and centre as we get closer to make, because we don't just have the Welsh

:53:15. > :53:19.ones, there is the Scottish and London mail elections as well. It

:53:20. > :53:27.will be there in the background. -- mayoral elections. Let's ask the

:53:28. > :53:31.leader of Welsh Labour, Carwyn Jones, who joins us from the

:53:32. > :53:36.conference. In terms of the date, the 23rd of June, that is what you

:53:37. > :53:43.did not want. How disappointed you? It's a great shame because for those

:53:44. > :53:46.who want to campaign for the UK to remain in the EU will be in a

:53:47. > :53:50.position where all of the parties will be on their knees in terms of

:53:51. > :53:53.energy and finances and then we will have six weeks to effectively have

:53:54. > :53:59.an active campaign on it hugely important issue. I don't think it is

:54:00. > :54:01.helpful. It wasn't helpful that Jeremy Corbyn didn't back you are

:54:02. > :54:08.either in terms of lobbying the Prime Minister for a different date?

:54:09. > :54:12.I see it from a Welsh perspective, today at the conference we have been

:54:13. > :54:16.putting forward our six pledges that the people of Wales, we kept our

:54:17. > :54:21.pledges from 2011 and we will do the same in 2016. This will be running

:54:22. > :54:25.in the background. What's important is that people take their decision

:54:26. > :54:31.on the 5th of May on who runs Wales in terms of health, education and

:54:32. > :54:35.the economy and makes sure Wales is on the right track. What is your

:54:36. > :54:37.target in terms of keeping the assembly campaign on track and not

:54:38. > :54:43.diverted into Europe. How will you manage that? By simply saying to

:54:44. > :54:48.people, there is an election on the 5th of May that will determine

:54:49. > :54:52.health, education, the economy and the environment and our children's

:54:53. > :54:56.future. The future of older people and the services we want to see

:54:57. > :55:00.developing. There is a referendum the month after and those are

:55:01. > :55:06.different issues. We won't run a surrogate campaign is part of the

:55:07. > :55:09.election campaign. They are too important for that. Will you share a

:55:10. > :55:16.platform with conservatives saying yes in terms of the remain campaign

:55:17. > :55:23.or are you going to say no, this is just Labour. It's very difficult to

:55:24. > :55:26.share a platform with other parties close to an election. If you do it

:55:27. > :55:31.at the same time you stand the risk of sharing a platform with other

:55:32. > :55:36.parties one day and the next day you are trying to knock holes in other's

:55:37. > :55:40.policies and it confuses the public. I have got no problem with it in

:55:41. > :55:43.principle, sharing platforms with other parties and I have done in the

:55:44. > :55:47.past but the problem is that you can't do it with an election

:55:48. > :55:51.campaign nearby. Personally in your speech this morning you have made it

:55:52. > :55:56.a straight fight between you and Andrew RT Davies. It is you or the

:55:57. > :56:04.Conservatives. That strategy is risky and it could seriously

:56:05. > :56:09.backfire? From our point of view of course, we have an election on the

:56:10. > :56:13.5th of May, and people expect us to test each other's policies as

:56:14. > :56:18.parties and I have no doubt that the other parties have their conferences

:56:19. > :56:22.and they won't fail to mention me and my party. You did not mention

:56:23. > :56:26.Plaid Cymru or the Lib Dems. You are turning this into a head-to-head

:56:27. > :56:31.between you and Andrew RT Davies. It could be that the Welsh people say,

:56:32. > :56:37.you know what, weak Mike Bamsey the Tories this time? We will take our

:56:38. > :56:43.chances on that. -- we quite fancy the Tories. There are many more

:56:44. > :56:47.marginal seats between us and the Tories. If you don't want to see

:56:48. > :56:52.Cameron's chaos coming to Wales then Welsh Labour is your choice. In

:56:53. > :56:58.terms of tax rises you have said this morning you will not raise

:56:59. > :57:03.them, why? If Wales is so strapped for cash, why not raise them? I'm

:57:04. > :57:07.sure people don't want the extra burden, lots of people are still

:57:08. > :57:10.struggling, they are still not confident about their family

:57:11. > :57:13.finances and the last thing we should do as a government is

:57:14. > :57:19.increasing the burden on them. You have been in power is up party for

:57:20. > :57:24.17 years, you are brushing out the first decade and talking about your

:57:25. > :57:32.five years and wanting another five. Are you embarrassed about the decade

:57:33. > :57:36.previous? People have supported us in every election but we take

:57:37. > :57:40.nothing for granted, we never think we are somehow destined to win and

:57:41. > :57:43.of course not, we will fight hard which is why we have six exciting

:57:44. > :57:48.pledges and a good manifesto which is invigorating and has got really

:57:49. > :57:52.good new ideas and the last thing we are is a party that's in a position

:57:53. > :57:57.where we have run out of steam, far it. The six pledges I have come up

:57:58. > :58:01.with today, I challenge the other parties in Wales to come up with

:58:02. > :58:07.something as appealing. Thank you very much. A quick final word, it's

:58:08. > :58:11.going to be tricky in terms of balancing the referendum, but on the

:58:12. > :58:16.pledges does he have a point? Will people come up with similar? I think

:58:17. > :58:20.we will see similar pledges from the other parties, we have started

:58:21. > :58:23.seeing some of them already. Labour have chosen to publish all of their

:58:24. > :58:29.pledges in one go although Carwyn Jones did have an extra couple do at

:58:30. > :58:33.this morning. The pledge card is now an excepted part of any election, we

:58:34. > :58:38.will see equally eye-catching pledges from the other parties as

:58:39. > :58:42.the day approaches. Thank you very much. Vaughan Roderick. That's it

:58:43. > :58:47.for now but there will be more, another programme from the

:58:48. > :58:52.conference on S4 see starting at 2pm and you can follow the latest on

:58:53. > :58:59.Twitter. From the Welsh Labour spring conference, thank you for

:59:00. > :59:00.joining us and goodbye.