:00:08. > :00:13.Why did England erupt? This is the only programme on British
:00:13. > :00:22.television to give young people their chance to tell you. Welcome
:00:22. > :00:32.to this special edition of Young Voters' Question Time. Good evening.
:00:32. > :00:37.With me tonight, Adam Deacon. Labour's rising star Stella Creasey,
:00:37. > :00:44.who had rioting in her constituency this week. The former gang member
:00:44. > :00:47.turned government adviser Sheldon Thomas. Businesswoman turned TV
:00:47. > :00:57.presenter of Kate Walsh. And the Government's ambassador for the
:00:57. > :00:59.
:00:59. > :01:09."big society" Shaun Bailey. Welcome to this special programme.
:01:09. > :01:10.
:01:10. > :01:15.We're in London, with what I believe is a lively audience. See?
:01:15. > :01:22.Of young people, who I'm sure will want to challenge our panel's views.
:01:22. > :01:30.And you can get involved as well. Details are on screen now. You can
:01:30. > :01:33.go on Twitter. Let's get our first question, from Anastasia Kyriacou.
:01:33. > :01:35.How can people argue these rioters are looting because they arent part
:01:35. > :01:45.of this luxury consumer society, when they plan looting on their
:01:45. > :01:53.
:01:53. > :01:58.BlackBerrys? Shaun Bailey... Lot of it is just pure criminal acts. I
:01:58. > :02:02.used to be a youth worker. I was watching the BlackBerry feed, and
:02:02. > :02:09.people were saying, let's go to Shepherd's Bush market. And
:02:09. > :02:13.somebody was saying, what do you mean, it's called Westfield.
:02:13. > :02:19.Someone was saying, it is quite nice to terrorise the police for
:02:19. > :02:27.once. But I have to say, I don't think it was really a big political
:02:27. > :02:31.statement. Is this about a culture of bling and a culture of greed?
:02:31. > :02:35.think it is a little bit of everything. When I was watching the
:02:35. > :02:40.riots, this thing has been boiling up for a long time. Young people
:02:40. > :02:44.are quite angry at the moment. Not every young person, but there's a
:02:44. > :02:51.lot of angry young people out there at the moment. I saw all types of
:02:51. > :02:59.people. All types of people. What do you mean, it has been building
:02:59. > :03:04.up for a while? I did some of my first interviews in 2006. I met
:03:04. > :03:10.politicians, I met David Cameron. We spoke about these issues deeply,
:03:10. > :03:14.about some kids feeling that they're so out of society, they do
:03:14. > :03:18.not feel part of society. They feel that people do not care for them,
:03:18. > :03:23.people were not watching their back. I was always talking about this,
:03:23. > :03:26.saying, things have got to change, you have got to get into young
:03:26. > :03:30.people's minds. You have got to go to the schools, do something,
:03:30. > :03:35.because there's a lot of people, young people, that are quite lost.
:03:35. > :03:40.I have been saying that since I was six. In 2011, we have riots on the
:03:40. > :03:44.street. I do not think any of that is right. I was shocked, but there
:03:44. > :03:48.was all types of young people. There was angry people, a lot of
:03:48. > :03:53.angry kids, also kids that just went to get free stuff. Let's be
:03:53. > :03:57.honest about it. It was like a game to them. But there was also kids
:03:57. > :04:01.from well-to-do families, that do not need to be there, but it was a
:04:01. > :04:07.fun day out for them. It was young people saying, we can get away with
:04:07. > :04:10.this, let's go and do this. Talking about these underlying causes - so,
:04:10. > :04:14.they have been there for a while, and they have been ignored, and
:04:14. > :04:24.people should have noticed... Does anyone here think the Government
:04:24. > :04:26.
:04:26. > :04:29.should have seen this coming? You're shaking your head. I do not
:04:30. > :04:36.live in London myself, but I have got some friends who live in
:04:36. > :04:45.Croydon and stuff. Some of them were very upset. Their local high
:04:45. > :04:51.street was trashed. No matter how poor you are, robbing shops,
:04:51. > :04:56.ruining restaurants and things like that, it is unjustifiable. It is
:04:56. > :05:02.just wrong. I have got to agree. I come from a working-class
:05:02. > :05:05.background myself, and I may have gotten a little bit of trouble, but
:05:05. > :05:12.down to good parenting, good role models in school, I knew the
:05:12. > :05:15.difference between right and wrong. Watching these riots, I just cannot
:05:15. > :05:20.understand how people can get stuck in and ruin people's livelihoods,
:05:20. > :05:25.their businesses, their homes. They're ruining their own local
:05:25. > :05:29.shops. And ruining their own local communities. We're here talking
:05:29. > :05:34.about looting and shops being burnt down, and no-one's going to support
:05:34. > :05:40.that. Everybody in society would agree that it is not right. But I
:05:40. > :05:44.worked with gangs, I do not work with people who commit anti-social
:05:44. > :05:47.behaviour... And they have been saying that they have had 20
:05:47. > :05:57.murders over the last two years. They do not see anybody jumping up
:05:57. > :05:58.
:05:58. > :06:03.and talking about those murders. We have seen girls being gang-raped,
:06:03. > :06:07.no-one's talking about that. I know people that have raped girls, and
:06:07. > :06:13.they are coming out in less than six years, and that girl is
:06:13. > :06:19.traumatised for a long time. Why is it not talked about? Because this
:06:19. > :06:23.society has become materialistic. It has become so materialistic.
:06:23. > :06:27.When you're in a society which is focused on materials, it is OK for
:06:27. > :06:31.Nick Clegg and the rest of them to say, we're not going to tolerate
:06:31. > :06:35.looting. But I'm going to tell you this, there's brothers down in
:06:35. > :06:39.Peckham who will say that their brothers have died, and no Nick
:06:39. > :06:44.Clegg or anyone has stood up and said anything about them. The
:06:44. > :06:48.strongest time I have heard David Cameron speak, ever, and say he is
:06:48. > :06:52.not going to tolerate gang violence any more, was when shops got burnt
:06:52. > :06:58.down. We have had 20 murders. We can sit here and have a debate, I
:06:58. > :07:05.will have that debate, but I am going to stick it raw, I am here
:07:05. > :07:10.for the people that's dead. Because right now, as far as I'm concerned,
:07:10. > :07:14.shops can be rebuilt. You can't rebuild a dead body. And that girl
:07:14. > :07:21.was traumatised because she was gang raped, you cannot put her back
:07:21. > :07:25.together. But is this the reason people are rioting? We do need to
:07:25. > :07:30.talk about these issues, but I think it is opportunism. It is
:07:30. > :07:34.about greed in society. This is a corrupt and immoral society, from
:07:34. > :07:38.the highest level, whether it's MPs' expenses, whether its
:07:38. > :07:44.businessmen avoiding paying tax and taking it overseas, there are many
:07:44. > :07:48.social issues, all from society. you look at the younger generation
:07:48. > :07:51.right now, they are one of the first generations to go through the
:07:51. > :07:56.most materialistic lifestyle we have ever had in this country. When
:07:56. > :08:01.I was growing up, I had four channels. We were not bombarded by
:08:01. > :08:06.images all the time. I speak to young people, they're bombarded by
:08:06. > :08:10.images of i-Pads, sex, money, just a bombardment. Some of these kids
:08:10. > :08:15.cannot get their hands on that. They can't. But for the first time
:08:15. > :08:20.ever, in 2011, that's all the images that they're getting, all
:08:20. > :08:24.the time. If you want to be cool, be like that. If you want to be
:08:24. > :08:28.that kind of person, get those trainers. If you keep doing that to
:08:28. > :08:36.young people all the time, there is going to be a time when they burst.
:08:36. > :08:45.I condemn what I saw, it is wrong. But it is not black kids, it's not
:08:45. > :08:50.Asian kids or white kids, it is a culture of thinking. Stella Creasey,
:08:50. > :08:55.do you agree with what Adam Deacon said, and if it is true, how do you
:08:55. > :08:58.change that culture? There is a kernel of truth is it. I stood with
:08:58. > :09:01.kids in Walthamstow watching looters come to our town centre and
:09:01. > :09:05.attack our shops, and nobody was more scared or more angry than
:09:05. > :09:09.those young people. That's why I think it is right to say there is
:09:09. > :09:13.no excuse for any of this. But trying to deal with some of the
:09:13. > :09:16.reasons is a more complex problem. Sheldon Thomas is right to talk
:09:16. > :09:20.about the issues happening with young people right now, which we
:09:20. > :09:24.have to work with. There was a 17- year-old kid in Walthamstow, a
:09:24. > :09:27.bright kid, living on my road, who was killed by a gang because they
:09:27. > :09:32.were trying to steal his mobile phone. There are lots of young
:09:32. > :09:36.people who are the victims of this, as much as they may be involved.
:09:36. > :09:40.Trying to turn it around is not just about one simple thing. It is
:09:40. > :09:48.not just about what the police do, what the politicians do, it is
:09:48. > :09:58.about what we as a community do. That's what I'm focused on. Can I
:09:58. > :09:59.
:09:59. > :10:06.just find out, who has sympathy for the rioters? OK, let's go to the
:10:06. > :10:13.gentleman on the back row. I'm from Hackney, and basically, you have to
:10:13. > :10:17.think about, we're all young people that are trying to make a living.
:10:17. > :10:20.We're all individuals in different ways. Basically, every young person
:10:20. > :10:24.has their own mind set about what they can do in life. Not every
:10:24. > :10:29.young person always has the dream of making success in life and stuff
:10:29. > :10:32.like that. You have to think about all the influences, like Adam
:10:32. > :10:36.Deacon said, the different things which are coming up in young
:10:36. > :10:40.people's lives, which are bombarding us. Different situations
:10:40. > :10:50.and stuff. It leads us to different things. But we are also human
:10:50. > :10:53.
:10:53. > :10:57.beings, no-one was born a criminal. Who said they had sympathy? I would
:10:57. > :11:02.have us like sympathy, because if you look at it, these young kids do
:11:02. > :11:06.not have the mind sets which politicians may have. When you grow
:11:06. > :11:10.up in a certain part of life, you may not have much encouragement,
:11:10. > :11:16.there's so many different reasons, it is not just one which is the
:11:17. > :11:21.exact reason. When you have to look at the whole situation, chilly so
:11:21. > :11:25.many different reasons, and too many politicians are better at
:11:25. > :11:29.talking and listening. They are leaders, and leaders need to listen.
:11:29. > :11:33.The more they listen to what is being said in places like this and
:11:33. > :11:36.many other places, like I said the Boris Johnson, the better. The
:11:36. > :11:40.Government now, there's too much talking from the politicians. So
:11:41. > :11:44.many people are explaining themselves, and saying, this is the
:11:44. > :11:48.reason. Then they continue on to say their own stuff and not take on
:11:48. > :11:51.board what is being said. It needs to be taken on board, because it is
:11:51. > :11:56.so frustrating. So many young people are trying to express
:11:56. > :11:59.themselves. Some in the wrong way, some in the right way, like myself.
:11:59. > :12:07.You're not listening, take on board and actually listen to what's being
:12:07. > :12:11.said to you. Who has got no sympathy? Let's go the other way...
:12:11. > :12:14.There are explanations, obviously, but there are not any excuses.
:12:14. > :12:18.Horrific things happen to loads of people every single day in this
:12:18. > :12:23.country. Three people died on Monday night in Birmingham, or
:12:23. > :12:28.Tuesday night - did they go and riot? No, they didn't. We have got
:12:28. > :12:38.people who have been unemployed for 10 years - did a riot? No, they
:12:38. > :12:41.
:12:41. > :12:44.didn't. It wasn't just kids rioting. Hang on a moment. Go ahead. You're
:12:44. > :12:51.going on like it was just the youth rioting, it wasn't. There were men
:12:51. > :12:55.and women out there. It was not just young people. We can't be held
:12:55. > :13:00.accountable for what everybody else is doing. You can't just group us
:13:00. > :13:03.and say that we are the bad ones, when everyone else is joining in.
:13:03. > :13:07.One thing I think is really important is that we understand
:13:07. > :13:16.that not the same things happened on the same nights or in different
:13:16. > :13:20.places. There were a criminal gangs organising people to loot, and also,
:13:20. > :13:23.people got caught up as bystanders, they got caught up in the emotion
:13:23. > :13:26.of the situation. We have to understand all of these different
:13:26. > :13:31.things happening in different places. This is why it is important
:13:31. > :13:40.to talk about what happened. I just want to respond to that gentleman
:13:40. > :13:46.up there. The young people I'm working with feel betrayed and lied
:13:46. > :13:50.to, because the Olympics was supposed to provide this big thing
:13:51. > :13:54.of jobs and apprenticeships in east London. And what they have seen is
:13:54. > :13:58.that they were lied to, because actually, it did not materialise,
:13:58. > :14:05.any of the jobs for the local young people. As for the apprenticeships,
:14:05. > :14:11.that never happened at all.. These guys are saying that if the
:14:11. > :14:14.Olympics cannot provide jobs for young people, which it promised it
:14:14. > :14:18.was going to... Seb Coe promised that it was going to be a legacy,
:14:18. > :14:23.it was going to leave a lasting legacy. And they cannot see it,
:14:23. > :14:28.because they see corporations making all the money, because they
:14:28. > :14:32.are taking up all the industry. You have to understand, young people
:14:32. > :14:39.are not going to continue to sit down and keep being lied to by
:14:39. > :14:43.politicians... This is not a reason to kick in shops. I never said I am
:14:43. > :14:53.supporting anything, I'm saying, I understand some of the madness
:14:53. > :14:56.behind what they were doing. Some of these young people are fractured,
:14:56. > :15:01.they're coming from a serious background where their families are
:15:01. > :15:05.broken, where for a anger and frustration, they have seen things
:15:05. > :15:12.in their life which you're not supposed to see at seven or eight
:15:12. > :15:16.years old. We have got girls that have been raped by step-parents,
:15:16. > :15:20.living and going to school, and no- one understands why they're angry.
:15:20. > :15:30.No-one understands what's going on. Because you only see the anger. But
:15:30. > :15:32.
:15:32. > :15:36.We live in a complex society, where lots of things go wrong for people.
:15:36. > :15:40.I have been with a group of 500 people today and there was pure
:15:40. > :15:44.anger in the room. One young person asked a question about
:15:44. > :15:48.responsibility. They were saying to the room, who do you think is
:15:48. > :15:52.responsible? That is why community is important. If you are talking
:15:52. > :15:57.about community, at what point is the Government responsible for your
:15:57. > :16:05.community? Are they responsible? Are they responsible in your house?
:16:05. > :16:08.You sit there and you say that, but the reason I got involved...
:16:08. > :16:13.are the Big Society spokesperson. So is the government involved in
:16:14. > :16:19.the community or not? You are the spokesperson. It is easy to sit
:16:19. > :16:24.there and be clever about it. youth worker and I work in the
:16:24. > :16:28.community. Hold on. I sat with 500 kids today and a lot of the things
:16:29. > :16:32.they asked for, asked them, do you think the Government could give it
:16:32. > :16:36.to you? They came to the conclusion that a lot of it comes from them.
:16:36. > :16:40.There is plenty that Government can do for you but there is even more
:16:40. > :16:44.that they said they could do for themselves, and that interests me.
:16:44. > :16:48.It is about his sense of belonging and that is what has been lost in
:16:49. > :16:53.our community and our country. Shildon will correct me if I am
:16:53. > :16:57.wrong, but it is about a sense of belonging. Young people join gangs
:16:57. > :17:02.and feel a sense of belonging as part of that. Where is the sense of
:17:02. > :17:10.belonging? Does it come from school, parents? It is not going to come
:17:10. > :17:13.from cutting places where young people can go. That this is what is
:17:13. > :17:18.important to me today, what went on in the room with those young people.
:17:18. > :17:22.They said to me, we need to do this and that. I have been a youth
:17:22. > :17:28.worker for 22 years. The removal of the youth club, I know what that is
:17:28. > :17:32.like. This is the second or third time that has happened. One second.
:17:32. > :17:37.The important thing is that the sense of belonging you are talking
:17:37. > :17:45.about, I ask you, do you think a Government can give that to you?
:17:45. > :17:51.Yes, they can, with funding. They are cutting it by �70,000. It is
:17:51. > :17:58.cutting the funding, end of story. Was the Government right to cut
:17:58. > :18:02.youth services? No. But this is the important thing. I spoke to a group
:18:02. > :18:07.of students who were going off at me about rising tuition fees. One
:18:08. > :18:12.of them said, it is his inalienable right to a free education. I said
:18:12. > :18:21.to him, is it your inalienable right about my Auntie having earned
:18:21. > :18:25.the replaced? There is only so much money. -- having her knee operation.
:18:25. > :18:30.We are talking about the young generation coming through. That is
:18:31. > :18:37.the future, really. The problem is that you cannot underestimate young
:18:37. > :18:41.people. Young people, I talk to them regularly. You cannot
:18:41. > :18:45.underestimate them. They watch the news, they watch TV. They get
:18:45. > :18:48.bombarded with images of Government lying to them. Let's get this
:18:48. > :18:57.straight. Young people did not get us into this whole recession
:18:57. > :19:03.business, it was the bankers. me get the next question. There is
:19:03. > :19:08.criminality in the Government. And one of the News of the World guy's
:19:08. > :19:12.got a job. David Cameron's words were that everyone deserves a
:19:12. > :19:16.second chance. For me, that has got to go back to the young people as
:19:16. > :19:25.well. We are coming to the next question which will cover some of
:19:25. > :19:31.that territory. Justin. Hello. You appear to have a number of fans in
:19:31. > :19:41.the audience. Basically, when the MPs apologised for claiming
:19:41. > :19:41.
:19:41. > :19:48.expenses fraudulently they were forgiven. When bankers broke our
:19:48. > :19:58.economy, they were given bonuses. Why should teenagers be made
:19:58. > :20:02.
:20:02. > :20:09.homeless for stealing a pair of Let's explain the background to
:20:09. > :20:15.that comment. Stella, let's hear from you. In Wandsworth, a family
:20:15. > :20:19.have been evicted from their house because a child was involved in the
:20:19. > :20:23.riots and he or she and his parent, male or female, have been thrown
:20:24. > :20:28.out of their house. What do you make of that? I do not know the
:20:28. > :20:33.circumstances but you are right to say what happened with MPs. I am a
:20:33. > :20:36.new MP and I hate the way that people think... People get into
:20:36. > :20:40.politics because they want to try and change the world. When people
:20:40. > :20:44.act like those other MPs do, it is horrible because people do not see
:20:44. > :20:47.the good will and we lose the goodwill which we need to work in
:20:47. > :20:51.our communities. Equally, think we need to restore the boundaries that
:20:51. > :20:57.say that what happened on Sunday night in Walthamstow and in Hackney
:20:57. > :21:00.on Monday, it is not right. We need to restore that boundaries. Nobody
:21:00. > :21:05.stole trainers because they could not get them. They stole them
:21:05. > :21:14.because they thought they could get away with it. But making them
:21:14. > :21:17.homeless! That is my question. point here is that a young person
:21:17. > :21:22.who was involved in the riots, he and his parents have been thrown
:21:22. > :21:24.out of their house. He has not been convicted, simply charged.
:21:24. > :21:31.Traditionally there is a presumption of innocence, and his
:21:31. > :21:36.parent has been thrown out of their house. That is clearly wrong, even
:21:36. > :21:39.if he is convicted, because it is non-proportionate. Of course, that
:21:39. > :21:42.will make the situation worse. If that child has come to the point
:21:42. > :21:46.where the parent cannot supervise them, or did not want to, throwing
:21:46. > :21:50.them out is not going to fix anything. Back to your point about
:21:50. > :21:57.MPs, they should have been treated with that level of to
:21:57. > :22:03.proportionality. If you are young and angry about that, that is
:22:03. > :22:10.completely fine and I accept that. But why the riots were such a
:22:10. > :22:14.problem, for me, was because we attacked our own communities.
:22:15. > :22:18.you leave kids in poverty for so long, right, so long, you don't
:22:18. > :22:22.invest in their estates and their flats, what starts to happen is
:22:22. > :22:30.young people start to think, you know what, I am not proud of this
:22:30. > :22:34.place. Hold on. I am talking. sorry to interrupt. This is the
:22:34. > :22:39.problem. You are talking over me and people want to talk of the
:22:39. > :22:43.young people. Don't talk over me, please. What I am saying is that
:22:43. > :22:52.young people do not feel proud of their community, so they seem to
:22:52. > :22:55.think... That is not true. What are the postcode wars about. They are
:22:55. > :22:59.proud of their road, but I don't think they are really thinking, you
:22:59. > :23:02.know what, attacking McDonald's, attacking the little corner shop on
:23:02. > :23:07.the corner is a different thing. They are looking like they can go
:23:07. > :23:10.and attack all of the shops. My thing is that for most of them it
:23:10. > :23:15.was a fun day. I don't even think most of them realised what they
:23:15. > :23:19.were doing. Everyone was doing it. What it comes down to his education.
:23:19. > :23:24.It comes down to education. Stark educating the young minds, because
:23:24. > :23:28.I don't think they realised what they are doing. -- start educating
:23:28. > :23:32.the young minds. Did it make them feel significant that there was
:23:32. > :23:38.this big event on the news that everyone was talking about?
:23:38. > :23:41.course. This could have got stopped. I saw the riots in my home town of
:23:41. > :23:46.Hackney. I thought, this is going to get stopped. The one in
:23:46. > :23:50.Tottenham hit everyone by surprise a little bit. When it started in
:23:50. > :23:54.Hackney, the police watched that happen. That was sending a message
:23:54. > :24:03.to young people up and down the country, there is three staff, go
:24:03. > :24:07.out and do it. -- it is three. has answered my question because I
:24:07. > :24:11.was saying what is the difference between these youngsters that have
:24:11. > :24:14.got issues and poverty, and they have been through traumatic
:24:14. > :24:20.experiences as has been touched on, what is the difference between
:24:20. > :24:27.those that go and riot and those that do not? It is a number of
:24:27. > :24:30.things. Go-ahead. I am sick and tired of young people being talked
:24:30. > :24:38.about like they are some group of animals that do not have an agency
:24:38. > :24:41.or choice. I am from an inner-city area and everything got mashed up.
:24:42. > :24:46.I am from north-west London, around Harlesden. There was a lot of
:24:46. > :24:51.destruction over there. I was born and raised in that place and a love
:24:51. > :24:55.it to bits. My church is down the road. We are all poor, but we are
:24:55. > :24:58.happy and poor together. We are not stupid. We do not think, the
:24:58. > :25:04.Government is lying to us, so I need to smash the corner shop down
:25:04. > :25:08.the road because I don't have a choice. Why don't you take that
:25:08. > :25:13.route, and others do? What is the reason? I have respect for my
:25:13. > :25:18.community. Why do some people not have respect? That is what I'm
:25:18. > :25:21.saying, they do not. It is possible in life for people to just the
:25:21. > :25:25.wrong. People do not try to understand neo- Nazis because we
:25:25. > :25:32.are united in our position to that. Where does your value system come
:25:32. > :25:39.from? It is an amalgamation of what my mum gave me, what I learned from
:25:39. > :25:42.a community and how I learnt to navigate through life. He has
:25:42. > :25:47.pointed out that the Government cannot help. You have broken
:25:47. > :25:52.families, so your family cannot help. What if your friends are the
:25:52. > :25:56.same way inclined as you? Who do you turn to? Give me an answer.
:25:56. > :26:00.Because we are sitting here saying that this person cannot help and
:26:00. > :26:03.that person cannot help. With people from backgrounds like that
:26:03. > :26:12.who do not have role-models, some still did not get involved in
:26:12. > :26:16.rioting and looting. There were kids from all over involved. There
:26:16. > :26:20.is a majority that do not have that, and where are they going to get it
:26:21. > :26:30.from. Do we need to rebuild the family, rebuild communities? What
:26:31. > :26:31.
:26:31. > :26:35.do we need to do? I would say it is a minority. Far more people did not
:26:36. > :26:41.riot than did. But a lot of people hold the same views. But they did
:26:41. > :26:44.not take the same action and that is the point. No one is saying that
:26:44. > :26:49.the riots were a good thing for the country. That is an irrelevant
:26:49. > :26:53.question. Someone said about MPs and bankers, two of the most
:26:53. > :26:58.powerful groups in any country. They get away with it, they can say
:26:58. > :27:01.we are sorry, and what are you going to do about it? Banks
:27:01. > :27:04.contribute so much to the GDP growth of this country. People on
:27:04. > :27:08.benefits in subsidised housing have no voice, so they look at other
:27:08. > :27:13.people getting away with it and they think, I do not feel like part
:27:13. > :27:17.of this country and it is a nonsense to me. Let me give you a
:27:17. > :27:23.statistic. A student this week with no previous convictions was jailed
:27:23. > :27:29.for six months for stealing bottles of water worth three pounds 50. Jim
:27:29. > :27:34.Devine, ex-Labour MP, got four months in jail for �8,000 of
:27:35. > :27:44.expenses fraud. This is what I was going to save. Does that make
:27:45. > :27:48.
:27:48. > :27:53.sense? No, it does not. There was no justice in that. Jumping back to
:27:53. > :27:58.what we were talking about before, talking about belonging. Adam
:27:58. > :28:02.Deacon was talking about community, and Shaun was talking about the Big
:28:02. > :28:05.Society. The problem is that the Government are on to something with
:28:06. > :28:10.the Big Society. The problem is that they do not know how to
:28:10. > :28:14.articulate it. You are the ambassador. It seems like we are
:28:14. > :28:17.all talking about community and family. The way that I see it is
:28:17. > :28:21.that if young people feel a part of their community, like this
:28:21. > :28:25.gentleman, have respect for their community, have a stake in their
:28:25. > :28:31.community, have active involvement and an active voice... How do you
:28:31. > :28:35.make someone feel they have respect? I think the Government on
:28:35. > :28:41.to something with the Big Society. Shaun is an example of the
:28:41. > :28:45.Government not... At the end of the day, the problem is sitting in
:28:46. > :28:50.front of us. This is not a personal point, but this whole society thing
:28:50. > :28:54.is great. Talk about it. If you are going to talk about the Big Society,
:28:54. > :29:00.it is down to the Government to give the Big Society but you have
:29:00. > :29:03.to put it out. You know what the Big Society means to me,
:29:03. > :29:10.Responsibility. You are not communicating that to the country,
:29:10. > :29:20.that is the problem. I am not saying it has been communicated
:29:20. > :29:22.
:29:22. > :29:27.I really want to answer that question. What is the Big Society
:29:27. > :29:34.and what does it mean? Responsibility. Firstly, I believe
:29:34. > :29:39.it is a minority of people who do not have that support. No. I am
:29:39. > :29:44.entitled to my view. I am just telling you what I believe. This
:29:44. > :29:50.has been a boiling pot. How can you say it is a minority? It has been
:29:50. > :29:54.growing for years. The connection between us, what a gentleman was
:29:54. > :29:56.saying at the back, the people who helped the police keep the peace in
:29:56. > :30:01.Walthamstow have been the youth workers and outreach workers who
:30:01. > :30:06.have been out every night. They have been trying to get them to
:30:06. > :30:10.come off the street. The outreach workers from organisations, all
:30:10. > :30:15.this year they have had funding cut and yet they were out there when
:30:15. > :30:25.the community needed them. The Big Society is also about us in the
:30:25. > :30:26.
:30:26. > :30:31.Government taking responsibility. We don't get a police service, we
:30:31. > :30:38.get a police force. This is or about a class system. It is a
:30:38. > :30:43.biased class system. It is about economic slavery, social exclusion,
:30:43. > :30:47.poor representation, stereotypes... We basically have not got to say.
:30:47. > :30:51.We are not part of the old boys' network, we never went to Eton. A
:30:51. > :30:55.lot of people, on ground level, there's a lot of young people that
:30:55. > :31:00.are doing a lot to help their community, but the Government are
:31:00. > :31:05.basically cutting all of the funding for youth services,
:31:05. > :31:11.children's services, basically, we have nothing. They're not cutting
:31:11. > :31:15.all of them. Do you know who's getting the funding? Middle-class
:31:15. > :31:19.people who come from other boroughs and apply for the funding. People
:31:19. > :31:26.in the community that want to actually run projects within the
:31:26. > :31:31.community are finding it hard. Please explain to me why that is.
:31:31. > :31:37.I'm going to read some comments from Twitter. Thomas has tweeted,
:31:37. > :31:44.he says, I'm 18, the riots were the only way to get heard. The
:31:44. > :31:48.Government has no outlet for our generation. It is his opinion. This
:31:48. > :31:54.one says, the riots in London are nothing more than mindful violence,
:31:54. > :32:04.no excuses. The youth in the UK would not know what it is to have
:32:04. > :32:05.
:32:05. > :32:10.nothing. It brings us on to parenting. This question comes from
:32:10. > :32:13.Emily Herrlinger. When you see some of the parents bringing their
:32:13. > :32:15.children to court, it is clear to see why the kids do not feel they
:32:16. > :32:25.have a chance. Is it the Government's role to tackle poor
:32:26. > :32:28.
:32:28. > :32:32.parenting? I will answer that. That's the point I was going to get
:32:32. > :32:35.on to, concerning the "big society". You cannot have a "big society"
:32:35. > :32:39.picture when families are so fractured. For me, we have to
:32:39. > :32:42.address certain things in our community. One of those things we
:32:43. > :32:47.have to address is teenage pregnancy, which is the highest in
:32:47. > :32:54.Europe, and has been for 10 years. This is not an attack on young
:32:54. > :32:58.women, but the fact is, a 14-year- old girl and 16-year-old boy are
:32:58. > :33:02.not in the right frame of mind to raise a child, because they
:33:02. > :33:06.themselves are learning to be adults. They're still growing up.
:33:06. > :33:12.This is not an attack. I want you to hear me out. Over the last 10-15
:33:12. > :33:17.years, under both governments, none of them have actually had any clue
:33:17. > :33:23.about how to address teenage pregnancy. In fact, we have, in
:33:23. > :33:27.this society, a government which allows young girls to get the Pill
:33:27. > :33:31.at 13 without their parents' consent. 30 years ago, that would
:33:31. > :33:36.never have happened. I am not attacking young women, I'm trying
:33:36. > :33:40.to build a picture. A "big society" can only be built when you have
:33:40. > :33:45.strong families. If you have no strong families which have morals
:33:45. > :33:50.and discipline and values, you cannot then feel that you are pot
:33:50. > :33:54.of something. Part of the problem we have in this society is that,
:33:54. > :33:57.unlike what my brother is saying, and I respect what you're saying,
:33:57. > :34:00.but unfortunately, I've lived a bit longer than you, and there are a
:34:01. > :34:07.lot of young people who do not feel the same way as you do. Let me
:34:07. > :34:11.finish. That is not to say that young people cannot get to where
:34:11. > :34:16.you're at. What I'm trying to say, it takes people in the community,
:34:16. > :34:22.like myself and the people on this panel, unfortunately, there are not
:34:22. > :34:28.enough men, as in adult men, responsible men, to take that role
:34:28. > :34:33.to help the community to get where it needs to get to. What does the
:34:33. > :34:43.Government do about that? Simple - the Government needs to address
:34:43. > :34:49.teenage pregnancy first. How? have to change the education system.
:34:49. > :34:53.It is up to us. Let me finish. I am not suggesting that is not a family
:34:53. > :34:57.problem. It is a family problem, but the question is, what does the
:34:57. > :35:00.Government do about it? First, they need to reverse the fact about
:35:00. > :35:09.getting the Pill without your parents' consent, that has to be
:35:09. > :35:14.reversed. Let's hear from some of the rest of the panel. I wish I had
:35:14. > :35:18.the answers. The area I am from, Cannock, in Staffordshire, has got
:35:18. > :35:25.one of the highest youth unemployment rates in the whole of
:35:25. > :35:29.the UK. I managed to improve my opportunities to education, through
:35:29. > :35:32.strong parenting, and had fantastic parents, I had really good role
:35:32. > :35:37.models in school. I don't know how you can create these role-models
:35:37. > :35:43.for people that are lacking them within their life. I do not have
:35:43. > :35:51.the answers. But the role models kept you on the straight and narrow.
:35:51. > :35:55.Absolutely. Parenting, I will be honest, as much as we say this
:35:55. > :35:59.about young parents, I have got to be honest, I think parents get a
:35:59. > :36:05.bit of a hard time. I say that because governments, they keep
:36:05. > :36:08.making laws. When I used to mess around, clip around the ear, and
:36:08. > :36:14.sometimes, that has got to be necessary. I'm not talking about
:36:14. > :36:17.massive violence in the household. I'm talking about just common sense.
:36:17. > :36:27.I believe that in this country we have gone so far the other way, so
:36:27. > :36:30.PC... On the way down here, my mate was telling a story about how the
:36:30. > :36:34.police came to his house after these riots, it was an African
:36:34. > :36:39.family, and they couldn't control the son. So the dad came and
:36:39. > :36:43.slapped his son round the head. Apparently, I do not know if this
:36:43. > :36:47.is 100% true, but the guy got arrested. If that is true, the dad
:36:47. > :36:51.got arrested for doing that to his son. There would seem to be not a
:36:51. > :36:58.lot of common sense in that. There is kids going up to their parents,
:36:58. > :37:05.and I have seen this - you can't do nothing, Mum. It has come to a
:37:05. > :37:15.point where young people feel they cannot be told by anyone. Somebody
:37:15. > :37:16.
:37:16. > :37:20.from the audience. My friend said something very astute, he said, if
:37:20. > :37:29.you don't fear your parents, you're not going to fear the police. If
:37:29. > :37:33.you're from Tottenham... It is not just fear, it is respect. I
:37:33. > :37:37.completely agree. At the end of the day, the commissioner, David
:37:37. > :37:41.Cameron, everybody is on the TV saying, parents, where are your
:37:41. > :37:44.children? If you're going to take away power from them, how do you
:37:44. > :37:48.expect them to have that level of control? It goes back to what you
:37:48. > :37:51.said about fear. I'm sure nobody thinks you have to tremble in your
:37:51. > :37:55.boots with your parents, it's respect. If the Government are
:37:55. > :38:01.taking the power away from the parent, how do they expect children
:38:01. > :38:06.to respect their parents? This lady here, you have been waiting for a
:38:06. > :38:11.while. I would like to say, can everyone stop putting emphasis on
:38:11. > :38:16.teenage parents? This is not the reason it's happening. Why would
:38:16. > :38:21.that not be a part of the picture? Maybe some of these rioters are the
:38:21. > :38:24.kids of teenage parents who have grown up without a role model?
:38:24. > :38:29.people turn around and say you should not give pills to 13-year-
:38:29. > :38:35.olds, if teenagers want to have sex, they're going to have sex. But does
:38:35. > :38:40.it make it right? I'm asking you, you have to back up your statement
:38:40. > :38:50.- are you telling me it's OK for a 13-year-old girl or boy to have sex,
:38:50. > :38:51.
:38:51. > :38:58.yes or no? I'm not justifying when is the right time to have sex, that
:38:58. > :39:01.is a personal choice. When you don't have morals... Come on, sex
:39:01. > :39:06.education and the Pill is not the only way teenagers find out about
:39:06. > :39:08.sex. If teenagers are going to have sex, we need to make sure our
:39:08. > :39:14.government and schools are providing the right facilities to
:39:14. > :39:17.teach them how to do it safely, and the right to say no. If you're
:39:17. > :39:20.telling 13-year-olds, you have to get parental consent to get the
:39:20. > :39:25.Pill, that 13-year-old is going to get pregnant nine months down the
:39:25. > :39:34.line. I feel that offering the pill to a 13-year-old is encouraging
:39:34. > :39:40.them. Not offering, but at the same time, you're saying, the auction is
:39:40. > :39:45.there. Also to be having secrets from your parents. Once again,
:39:45. > :39:49.you're alienating the parents from the child. That is one reason which
:39:49. > :39:59.has led up to these riots, the fact that you're alienating parents from
:39:59. > :40:03.
:40:03. > :40:08.the children. This is all very interesting, but it has very little
:40:08. > :40:14.to do with what happened over the weekend. You want to talk to me
:40:14. > :40:23.about parenting, how dare David Cameron blame parents when, under
:40:23. > :40:27.him, parents are working longer hours for less money... David
:40:27. > :40:35.Cameron is expecting parents to work longer for less pay, never see
:40:35. > :40:43.their families, and then blame them. I would like to know about Michael
:40:43. > :40:47.Gove's parents, when he looted �7,000... I will tell you why
:40:47. > :40:51.you're wrong. It has got a lot to do with what happened at the
:40:51. > :40:57.weekend, because communities are based on family. Benitez you
:40:57. > :41:05.something, I have got two little children, and I am the law in my
:41:05. > :41:10.yard. I don't care where Michael Gove went, what David Cameron said,
:41:10. > :41:14.I'm the law, because I have taken that responsibility. I hope that I
:41:14. > :41:17.will have a relationship with my daughter, and if somebody is
:41:17. > :41:27.offering her the Pill at 13, I will tell her, you need have nothing to
:41:27. > :41:31.
:41:31. > :41:41.do with that bill. Go on. We have moved so far away from the issue.
:41:41. > :41:45.
:41:45. > :41:55.Wait, let me finish. Why did this thing begin? Because the police
:41:55. > :42:02.
:42:02. > :42:07.killed a man dead, in Tottenham. Wait, wait. Of course, we need
:42:07. > :42:11.justice for the families of the people who died. There's a lot of
:42:11. > :42:21.things which need to be addressed. But that's not necessarily the root
:42:21. > :42:24.
:42:24. > :42:33.cause. We are going to move on to another question. This is the final
:42:33. > :42:36.question this evening, and it comes from Joanne Thibeault. When we
:42:36. > :42:38.rebuild our store, what does the panel think the Government should
:42:38. > :42:48.do to reassure us business owners and the community that this wont
:42:48. > :42:49.
:42:49. > :42:54.happen again? Let me explain, you worked at the furniture store in
:42:54. > :43:02.Croydon which was burnt down, and which has become symbolic of what
:43:02. > :43:08.has happened. And we have some of the family. Thank you very much for
:43:08. > :43:12.coming down tonight. Your shop survived the Blitz. It has been
:43:12. > :43:18.there for 144 years, five generations of our family. I
:43:18. > :43:22.appreciate Everybody's points. Everyone has mention some valuable
:43:22. > :43:28.things, but what do we do? I appreciate the complex issues. I
:43:28. > :43:34.know it is a shop, you're right, we can rebuild it. But we're just
:43:34. > :43:41.trying to run our business. We watched our shop getting scraped
:43:41. > :43:51.off the road today. I do appreciate that there are horrible problems
:43:51. > :43:54.
:43:55. > :44:02.about there. But for us, the riots are horrendous. I'm very sorry
:44:02. > :44:08.about what happened to your business. The point - what can the
:44:08. > :44:15.Government do? First and foremost, can I say how sorry and shocked all
:44:15. > :44:20.of us were. I think it was your dad on TV, holding back the tears. I
:44:20. > :44:23.think there is some practical stuff we can do, I was pleased to see the
:44:23. > :44:26.Government saying they would back up people who did not have
:44:26. > :44:31.insurance. I have got some shopkeepers in Walthamstow who do
:44:31. > :44:34.not have insurance. But for you to want to be built, you have got to
:44:34. > :44:38.have confidence that the streets will be saved, and that there will
:44:38. > :44:42.be a community of people who will want to buy your goods. In the next
:44:42. > :44:46.couple of days, we have got to get London calm again. We have got to
:44:46. > :44:50.get order back on the streets. After that, it is the coming months
:44:50. > :44:57.and years. Rebuilding the community will take time. It is not a choice
:44:57. > :45:00.between family or community, it is both. It is about supporting
:45:00. > :45:04.businesses and young people, the two things together. Because then
:45:04. > :45:09.the young people will be able to make good choices in life, they
:45:09. > :45:13.will be able to get good jobs and come and buy your furniture. What
:45:13. > :45:16.frustrates me, when people talk about young people, is, they only
:45:16. > :45:20.talk about the riots, they do not see that we have got to make sure
:45:20. > :45:24.young people can make good choices because of all have the talent and
:45:24. > :45:31.potential they have. My area has lots of bright, talent people, and
:45:31. > :45:41.they deserve opportunities. That's what we have got to get this
:45:41. > :45:43.
:45:43. > :45:50.Part of her question was that she would like to know this will not
:45:50. > :45:56.happen again. The only way you can really get that is if you think the
:45:56. > :46:01.Government, really, think of some radical ideas of changing things up.
:46:01. > :46:05.Like what? I will go back to education again because the one-
:46:05. > :46:09.size-fits-all education system does not work. Myself, I strongly
:46:09. > :46:14.believe that young people, let's be real, it was madness the other
:46:14. > :46:21.night. It was madness. And I just think it is wrong. I am telling all
:46:21. > :46:26.the people out there, calm down. Because setting fire to shops and
:46:26. > :46:31.people in there, that is madness. Let me finish. I come from Hackney.
:46:31. > :46:35.I was in a hostel at 15. I had nothing but I had this thing of, I
:46:35. > :46:39.want to become an actor. I strongly believe young people can do a lot
:46:39. > :46:42.more than they think. We live in England and there is opportunity.
:46:42. > :46:47.Let's be real. There is more opportunity than young people might
:46:47. > :46:52.think, but you have to have a certain head. You have to be very
:46:52. > :46:55.focused. How we stop this happening is we go back to education and
:46:55. > :46:59.start giving young people opportunity. If I was to listen to
:46:59. > :47:03.my school, I would not be acting now because I would be in a college
:47:03. > :47:10.in Hackney doing media studies or English that would not have helped
:47:10. > :47:17.me, personally. I want to hear some more voices. There is no point
:47:17. > :47:20.shouting. Education is part of it. There are a lot of hands up, so I
:47:20. > :47:28.am going to come to you but I need short answers because we have nine
:47:28. > :47:31.minutes left. Short answers. The lady there. The Government need to
:47:31. > :47:34.understand the language of the youth. You are calling us angry but
:47:34. > :47:40.we are passionate. We need to translate that passion into
:47:40. > :47:44.something else. The same way they research everything else, they
:47:44. > :47:50.should research us as youth, because we want to talk to them. We
:47:50. > :47:54.can improve everything, we can. about giving them a stake in
:47:54. > :47:58.society? If you have something to lose, you do not want to lose it.
:47:59. > :48:04.Give them jobs, education, training, apprenticeships. Most of these kids
:48:04. > :48:14.cannot read properly, cannot do basic numeracy. It comes back to
:48:14. > :48:15.
:48:15. > :48:23.education. Adam, Adam... You have to let some other people speak. Let
:48:23. > :48:28.some other people speak. Fine, I did have my hand up for a while.
:48:28. > :48:31.Everyone is giving an people a bad name and everyone is Gissing the
:48:31. > :48:40.Big Society. In Clapham, Croydon, Manchester, there were young people
:48:40. > :48:45.helping to clean up after the riots. Was anyone here involved in the
:48:45. > :48:53.clean-up? You were involved. We did the Brixton clean-up and peas in
:48:53. > :48:56.the streets. -- piece. This morning we were sending out leaflets,
:48:56. > :49:00.trying to calm things down, saying we need to condemn the criminals
:49:00. > :49:04.but we need to confront the social issues. You need to distinguish
:49:04. > :49:09.between an excuse and a cause. David Cameron is blending them and
:49:09. > :49:13.saying it is just criminals. If he says that, he vindicates his
:49:13. > :49:19.policies, because he knows that if we link it to his cuts, it is all
:49:20. > :49:23.over for him. The riots were to do with greed and boredom. People do
:49:23. > :49:32.not have anything to do because they do not have jobs. There is
:49:32. > :49:40.high youth unemployment. OK, you are saying these people are poor.
:49:40. > :49:45.They are on Blackberry phones. This is poverty! I want to hear what
:49:45. > :49:49.everybody is saying so you need to talk one at a time. You cannot
:49:49. > :49:53.generalise it as boredom. These kids were jumping into fires,
:49:53. > :49:57.taking what they could. Do you think that is just boredom, to risk
:49:57. > :50:02.their lives? With high youth unemployment, people do not have
:50:02. > :50:04.anything to do, no way to make money. They cannot go out and do
:50:05. > :50:11.activities because it costs money. There is nothing to do and they are
:50:11. > :50:20.bored. It is more than boredom, but I am saying that is an aspect of it,
:50:20. > :50:23.do you not think? Yes, we have not heard from you. I heard the young
:50:23. > :50:27.lady at the front speaking about reassurance for business owners. I
:50:27. > :50:33.think the whole public needs reassurance. We all need to be
:50:33. > :50:37.equal under the law. We talked about MPs' expenses and their soft
:50:37. > :50:45.sentences. Since 1999 we have had hundreds of deaths in police
:50:45. > :50:49.custody and not one conviction of a police officer. It is a disgrace.
:50:50. > :50:52.It is a question of self value and valuing those around you. If you
:50:52. > :50:56.are taught to value yourself and think that you have something to
:50:56. > :51:01.give to society, you can be giving back as well as taking. There needs
:51:01. > :51:05.to be more emphasis on, you know, believing in yourself, and I don't
:51:05. > :51:09.think there is. Especially when young people, this whole audience
:51:09. > :51:18.is being referred to as young people, and being tied up in
:51:18. > :51:23.violence. Yes, the gentleman in front there. I am a Diana award
:51:23. > :51:26.Holder. I want to know when we are going to shine the light on the
:51:27. > :51:34.millions of positive role models, young people, in this country,
:51:34. > :51:40.because we have got to do that. only have about five minutes. Back
:51:40. > :51:45.to the panel. Closing thoughts. Stella, have you learnt anything
:51:45. > :51:49.tonight? Of course. I always learn because there is so much talent and
:51:49. > :51:53.so many ideas in our young people. That is why I want to make sure we
:51:53. > :51:57.have the support that you need. We need our police, which is why they
:51:57. > :52:02.should not be cut, and to support and invest in youth services.
:52:02. > :52:06.Listening to you, all of the energy that you have got tonight... There
:52:06. > :52:11.are 50,000 unemployed young people in London and we need to get a
:52:11. > :52:16.system in place to get jobs for you so you can make good choices. If
:52:16. > :52:19.you make those choices, we can do something. Basically, I believe
:52:19. > :52:23.young people, going back to your thing about role-models and
:52:23. > :52:28.positivity, there are so many young people doing positive stuff. But
:52:28. > :52:32.the media have a lot to answer for as well. We get called feral youth.
:52:32. > :52:37.We are getting caught these names. No other class really guess that as
:52:37. > :52:41.much as the young people. Hoodies, hooligans. But we never actually
:52:41. > :52:48.dwell on the positive stuff. There's a lot of positive kids out
:52:48. > :52:51.there. Shaw, what have you learnt tonight? Sitting here reminds me
:52:51. > :52:55.that young people are alive and they see what is going on. Unlike
:52:55. > :52:59.the point about millions of active, positive young people, and you are
:52:59. > :53:03.right to bring up Mark Duggan. If you want to rebuild community, the
:53:03. > :53:12.issue, and I do not just mean that individual but the issue, needs to
:53:12. > :53:17.be looked at again. I accept that. Listen, I don't think, cutting the
:53:17. > :53:27.police for me, I am not... Listen, the riots that we have had, the
:53:27. > :53:34.
:53:34. > :53:37.police could not have stopped. For me, I have realised that a lot
:53:37. > :53:42.of young people still have that passion, they still have the fire,
:53:42. > :53:49.the creativity, the ideas. But what is really my concern is that we are
:53:49. > :53:54.all in this room today, for the last two years there have been over
:53:54. > :53:57.20 murders of young people, yet we do not hear that same fire and
:53:57. > :54:03.passion in trying to find answers for why the killings are going on
:54:03. > :54:07.in our community. So I think, for me, no disrespect, my prayers go
:54:07. > :54:11.out to you, Sister, that your shot has been burnt down. I am totally
:54:11. > :54:17.against that, but what I do not understand is how we think killing
:54:17. > :54:21.each other is OK, but when a shop gets burnt down - no disrespect -
:54:21. > :54:26.we want to sit and hold a national inquiry about shops being burnt
:54:26. > :54:30.down, when a couple of months ago they 14-year-old was chased on his
:54:30. > :54:38.bike, stabbed 17 times, six months previous to that a girl was gang-
:54:38. > :54:42.raped. My question is, isn't society twisted? I think there does
:54:42. > :54:46.need to be an inquiry about why this happened to try to get to the
:54:46. > :54:50.root causes of the problems. There are lots of unanswered questions
:54:50. > :54:55.today. Do not cut the police. I think there have been great ideas
:54:55. > :55:00.about community issues and role models. They need to listen to the
:55:01. > :55:05.young people. Just a minute. The panel have listened to you. We
:55:05. > :55:09.cannot hear from every person several times. Let me go back to
:55:09. > :55:12.the House of Reeve's family. Tell me your thoughts. You have heard
:55:12. > :55:17.what the people have said and you wanted some reassurance. Have you
:55:18. > :55:22.heard anything that has reassured you? I think it is so complicated
:55:22. > :55:25.and I know that this is going to take a long time to sort out. But
:55:25. > :55:28.perhaps today the thoughts that everyone has put forward will help
:55:28. > :55:32.to make some headway and make sure this will not happen again, not
:55:32. > :55:36.just for businesses but for communities and families and young
:55:36. > :55:46.people. But all communities, for everyone. How are the rest of your
:55:46. > :55:51.
:55:51. > :56:01.family? They are OK. It is horrible. How about Mark Duggan's family?
:56:01. > :56:02.
:56:03. > :56:11.Look... Leave it there. It is not disrespect. I'm not disrespecting
:56:11. > :56:14.anybody, I am merely asking why a... Who said she did? It is a question
:56:14. > :56:19.we addressed earlier. Thank you. That was pretty much as rowdy as we
:56:19. > :56:24.imagined it would be, but thank you. Thank you very much, and I hope
:56:24. > :56:31.that you feel it presented tonight. I got as many of you on air as was
:56:31. > :56:35.feasible. Thank you. That is it for this special edition of Young
:56:35. > :56:40.Voters' Question Time. Thank you to the audience, thank you to you if
:56:40. > :56:48.you joined in on Twitter, and thank you to you for watching. From all