:00:15. > :00:21.$:/STARTFEED. This is Wandsworth in South London, and in the whrat
:00:21. > :00:25.1960s, there was a young, eight- year-old boy playing on the streets,
:00:25. > :00:31.picking fights, and generally getting into trouble. Until he
:00:31. > :00:36.found this place, the Earlsfield amateur Boxing Club.
:00:36. > :00:41.It was here that that young boy found an outlet for all his pent-up
:00:41. > :00:51.energy. He discovered he had a natural talent for boxing. 25 years
:00:51. > :00:53.
:00:53. > :00:59.later, he was fighting and winning the World Heavyweight title.
:00:59. > :01:05.His name...Frank Bruno. When his hand was raised in victory
:01:05. > :01:12.everybody was in tears and the place went bananas. I feel bliss h
:01:12. > :01:17.blessed and I thank God that he reached that far. He just became a
:01:17. > :01:22.hero overnight. Frank and Henry Cooper are arguably the most famous
:01:22. > :01:30.and well-loved of our British heavyweight champions. How does it
:01:30. > :01:36.feel? Beautiful. But it was Frank's affectionate banter with Harry
:01:36. > :01:42.Carpenter and his pantomimes that make him such a British institution.
:01:42. > :01:52.What's your famous punch line? know what I mean, Harry. I'm not
:01:52. > :01:53.
:01:53. > :01:58.Harry. I mean Ann. Frank had good punch lines. I'm thinking. You're a
:01:58. > :02:03.super star. Am I? Thanks. Since his retirement from boxing, Frank has
:02:03. > :02:08.had to face the toughest battle of his life, the fight with mental
:02:08. > :02:15.illness. I did need the help. I was doing some crazy things and saying
:02:15. > :02:20.stupid things. The kettle was boiling and I was, like....# Many
:02:20. > :02:25.rivers to cross # Frank had a mental breakdown that
:02:25. > :02:30.brought his world crashing down around him. His marriage split up.
:02:30. > :02:36.He was in a very big house on his own. His private life was never far
:02:36. > :02:41.from the front pages. Everything got tonne top of him and he went to
:02:41. > :02:46.pieces. Through it all, frank took strength from his faith. You have
:02:47. > :02:53.to thank your lucky stars and the man above. He's with you all the
:02:53. > :02:58.time? Oh, 24/7. I've come to meet Frank at a country house hotel, a
:02:58. > :03:04.far cry from the house he grew up in Wandsworth. I'm going to talk
:03:04. > :03:12.about the highs and lows of fame and how his enduring faith have
:03:12. > :03:18.helped him through the dark times of life.
:03:18. > :03:21.Frank, wonderful to see you. Nice to see you too. And I'm quite sure
:03:22. > :03:27.lots of people are going to be so pleased to see you and hear from
:03:28. > :03:32.you. Do you find that people think they know you, but do we know you?
:03:32. > :03:37.I'm not too sure if people know me. They should by now because I've
:03:37. > :03:43.been in the business or on the circuit for 30-odd years. Do we
:03:43. > :03:47.know the real you, or have you put on a persona for the public and
:03:48. > :03:52.keep the real you private? What you see is what you get. I've never
:03:52. > :03:58.tried to be something I ain't. I can be good sometimes and bad
:03:58. > :04:06.others. Like a normal human being. Well, I'm a human being, hopefully.
:04:06. > :04:10.Or an alien! You never know. At 6ft 3" tall, with a big heart and sense
:04:10. > :04:15.of humour to match, Frank has always been popular, but that
:04:15. > :04:21.brings with it extra pressure. public live him but he doesn't get
:04:21. > :04:26.left alone very often and it must be very, very hard. He's such a
:04:26. > :04:30.national treasure and people respect him and like him. We were
:04:30. > :04:34.at Broadcasting House and so many people from the cleaner, to
:04:34. > :04:40.somebody in the kitchen to TV radio producers from flooding out of
:04:40. > :04:47.offices to shake his hand and say hello. People relate to him and he
:04:47. > :04:52.relates to people at all levels. you've got little dumplingles, I've
:04:52. > :04:57.got big muscles. Is the reception you receive easy to accept? It can
:04:57. > :05:02.be hard but you go with the flow. As long as no-one wants to beat you
:05:02. > :05:10.up or burn down your house, or that, you just go with the flow. My motto
:05:10. > :05:14.is from the beginning I would keep my feet on the ground. Some people
:05:14. > :05:18.get on television and let themselves go and not realise
:05:18. > :05:26.what's happening and don't check themselves and they run away with
:05:26. > :05:32.the moment. But I kept myself feet on the ground and kept it real.
:05:32. > :05:37.Frank has come a long way from his roots in South London. His parents,
:05:37. > :05:43.Robert and Lynette both came from the Caribbean. They were one of the
:05:43. > :05:49.first black families to move into their road in Wandsworth. Franklin,
:05:49. > :05:56.as he was christened was born in November 19616789 Frank was a large
:05:56. > :05:59.baby, a big baby. He was about nine pounds. If you look at the little
:05:59. > :06:06.baby photographs, you can see his hands, they're ready to box. Ready
:06:06. > :06:13.to go! I had a lot of happiness, you know,
:06:13. > :06:17.because there's six in the family. Nigh sister Joan, and I have two
:06:17. > :06:23.half sisters and two half brothers and I'm the youngest out of six.
:06:23. > :06:27.There was a lot of goodness going in my family and I got looked after
:06:27. > :06:31.very well. I mustn't grumble. single night the children would
:06:31. > :06:36.have to set the table and sit down and eat together and say their
:06:36. > :06:42.grace and sit down and eat together. Because that's the principles of
:06:42. > :06:46.life. You, as parents, have got to put into them that which was
:06:46. > :06:54.instilled in you when you were growing up. And this is what was
:06:54. > :07:02.instilled in us in the West Indies. My mum and dad worked very hard. My
:07:02. > :07:07.mum was a Christian, but my dad wasn't. My dad loved the bookies'
:07:07. > :07:13.shops! But I was always protected. Faith was important in the home.
:07:13. > :07:16.Frank's mum was a lay preacher and religion played a big part in his
:07:16. > :07:21.early childhood. Everybody would have to go to church and everybody
:07:21. > :07:25.went to Sunday school and there was no problem. My mum was always
:07:26. > :07:29.sending me to church when I was young. I had to go to church every
:07:30. > :07:35.Sunday and prayer meetings and things like that, but I didn't want
:07:35. > :07:41.to go. But she forced me to go. It weren't a bad thing. It was always
:07:41. > :07:44.in me to believe in God and do the right things and try and be holy
:07:44. > :07:50.and whatever. And then you say, growing up on the streets of London
:07:50. > :07:55.with a nice family, but there were moments when you were a naughty
:07:55. > :07:59.boy? Yeah, I weren't naughty that I got locked up in prison or got a
:07:59. > :08:04.criminal record or anything like that. I was just full of beans and
:08:04. > :08:10.fighting a lot on the streetsz and things like that. Frank -- streets
:08:10. > :08:14.and things like that. Frank was naughty. He used to fight and climb
:08:14. > :08:21.and tumble over. He would go out on the street and you'd have to go and
:08:21. > :08:26.look for him. He was one that loved bigger boys' company than himself.
:08:27. > :08:33.I used to tell him "don't get into any trouble and come to my house.
:08:33. > :08:38.If the police come, I am not coming. You don't have a mother." Were your
:08:38. > :08:42.parents strict? Yes, very strict. My dad was very strict on me. He
:08:42. > :08:48.gave me a lot of different things that a lot of people didn't have,
:08:48. > :08:54.but he was very, very strict on me. He dropped some manners on me and I
:08:54. > :09:01.needed that. Did he smack you? he smacked me. He smacked me when I
:09:01. > :09:05.was out of order but he praised me when I was good. I would say he is
:09:06. > :09:13.mostly like his father. His dad was a proud man. He was lovely. He was
:09:13. > :09:23.loving and he loved him. They were friends. I looked up to him. He was
:09:23. > :09:23.
:09:23. > :09:30.my hero, really. He was a good man. He was the person who bought me my
:09:30. > :09:37.first boxing gloves. Was he? Yeah, I think he wanted me to be a boxer.
:09:37. > :09:43.How old were you? I think eight or nine.
:09:43. > :09:48.Frank took his boxing gloves, along with his frustrations, down to the
:09:48. > :09:53.local amateur boxing club. They are still going strong today,
:09:53. > :09:57.training young hopefuls, both boys and girls, to be the champs of
:09:57. > :10:01.tomorrow. The first thing that boxing does to any youngster is
:10:01. > :10:05.teach them discipline, whether you're going to be a champion or
:10:05. > :10:10.not, it teaches you to get to the gym on time and to be able to go
:10:10. > :10:15.into the ring with another lad, take a punch and give a punch and
:10:15. > :10:20.when the final bell sounds, you wrap your arms around each other,
:10:20. > :10:25.have a hug until the next time. tell me about the boxing. As a
:10:25. > :10:29.small boy in the ring, sparring, were you mentally prepared for that
:10:29. > :10:33.because you seem so gentle. How do you fire yourself up? I think if
:10:33. > :10:39.you're a man and you go into a boxing ring and somebody punches
:10:39. > :10:44.you in the mouth, you automatically want to retallate and get them back.
:10:44. > :10:49.But it was a good experience, it got rid of frustration and angerer.
:10:49. > :10:55.Why did you get angry? I don't know. There was a lot going in my head. I
:10:55. > :11:01.was very up and down. I never felt 100% right when I was younger,
:11:01. > :11:05.looking at it. When I mean 100% right, I mean cloudy days and
:11:05. > :11:12.sometimes it was full of beans and done one minute, you know what I
:11:12. > :11:17.mean? It was up and down. These early mood swings led Frank into
:11:17. > :11:21.serious trouble at school. I was a little bit of a bully and I got
:11:21. > :11:29.expelled from my primary school. used to fight everybody there. He
:11:29. > :11:33.used to fight the teachers and his friends. If he saw anybody
:11:34. > :11:41.troubling his friends he would fight them. He's always in a fight.
:11:41. > :11:45.So my mum warned me that if I don't behave myself I would get sent to
:11:45. > :11:50.boarding school. But I didn't - well, I believed her because she's
:11:50. > :11:54.a serious lady. She wanted me to get better and do things she
:11:54. > :12:00.couldn't do, but I didn't respond. Frank's mum felt that what he
:12:00. > :12:05.needed was a radical change. He was sent to Oak Hall Boarding School in
:12:05. > :12:10.Sussex. It specialised in educating children with behavioural problems.
:12:11. > :12:16.So the boarding school gave you structure in life? Yes. Church on
:12:16. > :12:23.Sundays. Were you allowed to box there? I think boxing weren't
:12:23. > :12:27.allowed in the school, but you could train. And canoeing and rugby
:12:27. > :12:31.and camping out. We did all different things, but they wouldn't
:12:31. > :12:39.allow boxing in the school. We had gloves and sometimes the kids, if
:12:39. > :12:44.we had a dispute they would bring us in the gymnasium and let us
:12:44. > :12:48.fight away by doing it properly. But they didn't allow boxing at the
:12:48. > :12:55.time. No, because this is a group of boys who have been naughty and
:12:55. > :13:02.aggressive on the streets. Yeah, testosterone kicking in. How old
:13:02. > :13:06.were you when you were there? 16. So absolutely that testosterone
:13:06. > :13:11.period. Yes, but it was the best thing that happened to me, because
:13:11. > :13:15.it was a good school. It was a nice school, but it had disciplines.
:13:15. > :13:20.Because when he came home at the weekends you could see the
:13:21. > :13:25.difference in him. And studies? Academic studies?
:13:25. > :13:30.Exams? I wasn't too brainy at school. I was a little bit dyslexic
:13:30. > :13:34.and I couldn't get it together. So I didn't pass O-levels or A-levels
:13:34. > :13:41.or anything like that. Did God play a part in your life at that stage?
:13:41. > :13:45.I think he did, in a way. When I was at boarding school I got
:13:45. > :13:50.christened a Catholic. And did faith mean anything to you at that
:13:50. > :13:58.stage? I don't think it meant that much. In the boarding school, every
:13:58. > :14:03.Sunday we had to go to church, but I always had one foot... I always
:14:03. > :14:07.had one foot believing in God and one foot out, you know what I mean?
:14:07. > :14:12.I think those are the ones that God likes, because they're a challenge.
:14:12. > :14:16.Yeah, I would say so. One minute I would believe and one minute I
:14:16. > :14:21.wouldn't believe, you know what I mean. For Frank, boarding school
:14:21. > :14:25.was a liberating time, but back home in the holidays, he had to
:14:25. > :14:30.take on family responsibilities. Your father had been very, very ill
:14:30. > :14:35.and you'd looked after him when you were at home. Yeah, I had to give
:14:35. > :14:40.him injections and whatever. He had diabetes and a stroke. And you give
:14:41. > :14:45.him the insulin? Not all the time because my mum was a district nurse,
:14:45. > :14:51.and she was good at that. I didn't like giving injections, but
:14:52. > :14:59.sometimes I'd give him them. But that's how life goes, yeah. It must
:14:59. > :15:06.have been tough to see your hero, as a young lad, your dad bed ridden.
:15:06. > :15:10.But life is tough sometimes, isn't it. Yeah, it is. It's not always
:15:10. > :15:15.Bloomingdales. 15-year-old Frank was back at school when the news of
:15:15. > :15:21.his father's death came through, but Frank believes he had
:15:21. > :15:27.forewashing. When he died, you had some sort of...I Heard him crying.
:15:27. > :15:33.And my teacher called me in the headmaster's office and said, "Your
:15:33. > :15:39.dad has died" and I said, "I know, I heard him screaming with pain,
:15:39. > :15:43.because he had a stroke." Where were you? I was at the back of the
:15:43. > :15:50.shed having a cigarette. We weren't supposed to have a cigarette, we
:15:50. > :15:55.were being naughty, but the teacher came and found me and took me in,
:15:55. > :16:00.and I said, "I know, I know he's gone because I heard him screaming
:16:00. > :16:04.in pain, and he went." extraordinary. Very, very
:16:04. > :16:10.extraordinary. But I loved my dad and that was one of them things
:16:10. > :16:14.that happened. And I was glad he'd got put out of his pain. Despite
:16:14. > :16:18.that apparent premonition, his dad's death was a crushing blow for
:16:18. > :16:25.Frank. I think it's even hitting him now, you know, because they
:16:25. > :16:31.were very close. And I mean, at 15, to lose your dad, somebody that you
:16:31. > :16:37.live so closely with, it's hard. wish he was here and that he could
:16:37. > :16:42.see, you know what I mean, well, I know that he can see what I'm doing,
:16:42. > :16:49.but I'm proud of him and I know that's he's proud of me. Do you
:16:49. > :16:56.feel your father around you? Yeah, sometimes I do, yeah, definitely.
:16:56. > :17:02.He is a very powerful guy, but he said once I've died don't visit my
:17:02. > :17:08.grave or I'll come and haunt you. So I've never visited his grave.
:17:08. > :17:11.Never? That's what he said, he'd haunt me. Shortly after his father
:17:11. > :17:16.died, Frank returned to Wandsworth, bringing with him a dream. Where
:17:16. > :17:21.did you think you would go in life, did you have a plan? Yeah, I had a
:17:21. > :17:25.plan to be a boxer. That's the plan I had. I sussed it out that I
:17:25. > :17:30.didn't have the education to be a lawyer, or solicitor, or teacher
:17:30. > :17:34.and I was too big to be doing athletics, or anything like that. I
:17:34. > :17:39.couldn't play football. I couldn't do nothing, apart from boxing. So I
:17:39. > :17:45.had it all worked out, to make as much money as I could in boxing and
:17:45. > :17:51.not have to work when I'm older. So I had that sussed out. But it was a
:17:51. > :17:55.long road and the hill was very streep, very, very steep. But you
:17:55. > :18:01.made that dream a reality. Yeah, a lot of people think it's a strange
:18:01. > :18:06.thing but I made it a reality. That's all I could do. I don't even
:18:06. > :18:12.like Porscheing. I didn't like getting punched. You didn't? Well,
:18:12. > :18:16.I wasn't that kinky that I wanted to go in the ring and get beaten up,
:18:16. > :18:26.or hit somebody and they would hit me, but it was the only way I knew
:18:26. > :18:26.
:18:26. > :18:32.how to get out of.... Society, I'd either have to be very educational
:18:32. > :18:36.and be a doctor or a scientist, but I didn't have the capabilities up
:18:36. > :18:44.here. But how clever of you to know that's the path I'm taking and
:18:44. > :18:48.become a success. It wasn't clever...You Just knew? Yeah.
:18:48. > :18:56.set about making his dream a reality. But, as an amateur boxer
:18:57. > :19:01.he had to make a living too. I was a metal polisher, I worked in
:19:01. > :19:06.Lonsdale sports shop and I worked on a building site, because I had
:19:06. > :19:11.to pay the bills. My mum said I couldn't leave school and not do
:19:11. > :19:17.something, so I had to find a job. I was part-time doing boxing and I
:19:17. > :19:23.got a chance to fight for London and then England and then I was the
:19:23. > :19:28.youngest one to win the Heavyweight Championship, the ABAs, at 18. And
:19:28. > :19:32.after that, I never looked back from there.
:19:32. > :19:39.The famous boxing manager, Terry Lawless had spotted Frank's
:19:39. > :19:42.potential and signed him up. He set about turning him into a
:19:43. > :19:49.professional fighter. Lawless rang me and said, "He's got
:19:49. > :19:55.his licence and come down and meet Frank" he was then 19. And I went
:19:55. > :20:00.to Lawless's house and I remember when he came in from the garden
:20:01. > :20:06.through the kitchen door and I described it as he blocked out the
:20:06. > :20:10.sun because he was massive. And we had a rapport from that moment on.
:20:10. > :20:13.Frank was now earning his living from boxing and he and his
:20:13. > :20:19.girlfriend, Laura, had moved in together. He'd become a father for
:20:19. > :20:26.the first time and the press attention had started to roll. When
:20:26. > :20:31.did the press start to notice you? Um, Colin Hart from the Sun. He
:20:31. > :20:38.came to my house and he took a photograph of me and my daughter,
:20:38. > :20:42.called Nick lafplt I persuaded Terry Lawless to let me ask Frank
:20:42. > :20:49.if we could do that perfect with Nick lay. Nick lay is about 30 now.
:20:49. > :20:54.It made a delightful picture, but she won't thank me now! And he
:20:54. > :21:02.said" you won't know what will hit you. You're going to be very, very
:21:02. > :21:08.big and popular." Boxing is a big sport and heavyweights are the
:21:08. > :21:14.biggest draw. Let's be brutal about this, people like heavyweights
:21:14. > :21:19.because they like seeing people knocked over. That's why they make
:21:19. > :21:25.any more money than any other weight. I told him then if he ever
:21:25. > :21:31.made it big as a professional, he'd be a national idol in no time.
:21:31. > :21:37.British boxing in the past year has become increasingly excited over
:21:37. > :21:42.heavyweight Frank Bruno. The man has made rapid progress and thumps
:21:42. > :21:49.as hard as any other heavyweight in the world. Frank's professional
:21:49. > :21:57.debut brought him a lot of new fans. The first fight I ever had was at
:21:57. > :22:03.the Royal Albert Hall, a guy called Lupe Guerra. I went into the Hall
:22:03. > :22:08.and I nearly fainted. 5,000 people packed into the ring and all
:22:08. > :22:13.shouting my name. Bruno! Bruno! Yeah, it was scary. I wanted to
:22:13. > :22:17.walk and not get involved, but it was nice. I won the fight in about
:22:17. > :22:23.two rounds, but it was hard mentally. It was a different cup of
:22:23. > :22:28.tea, professional and amateur. For any boxer, whether they win or
:22:28. > :22:33.lose, the job isn't over in the ring. Everyone wants a piece of you.
:22:33. > :22:36.After I had the fight, about Wednesday I started running. That's
:22:36. > :22:40.my business and that's the only thing I know. After a fight,
:22:40. > :22:45.particularly if you're hurt and bruising, you want to do a quick
:22:45. > :22:49.interview that gets the points across and also allows - because,
:22:49. > :22:55.you know, after the fight, it's showbiz again and you've got to say
:22:55. > :23:00.the right things and a lot of boxers don't want to talk to an
:23:00. > :23:04.interviewer. Exclusive! When Frank first started, he was painfully shy
:23:04. > :23:10.and didn't like being interviewed and he learned how to deal with the
:23:10. > :23:15.media. And, of course, what made him a national idol was his rapport
:23:15. > :23:22.with the late, great Harry Carpenter, the BBC commentator.
:23:22. > :23:27.When did you first meet Harry Carpenter? When I was about 19/20 I
:23:27. > :23:32.met him. We hit it off very well. He was very fond of you, wasn't he?
:23:32. > :23:39.I was very fond of him. He was nice. One of the nicest men you could
:23:39. > :23:44.wish to meet. He was very special, jolly. A typical English little
:23:44. > :23:51.gentleman. He was a sweet guy. he inspired the famous Bruno catch
:23:51. > :23:56.phrase. You know what I mean, Harry. Say it again. You know what I mean,
:23:56. > :24:02.Harry. When was the first time you said that? One of the first
:24:02. > :24:10.important fights I had was against a guy called Jumbo Cummings, and I
:24:10. > :24:16.beat him and knocked him out and Harry said, "That was a good punch"
:24:16. > :24:23.and I said, "What punch, Harry" and it watered on from there. And the
:24:23. > :24:30.press picked it up. I just kept saying, "You know what I mean,
:24:30. > :24:35.Harry." Frank, how does it feel to be a champion? It feels beautiful.
:24:35. > :24:41.I didn't think I'd see you. I thought you'd retired. No, no.
:24:41. > :24:46.Harry was able to gauge Frank's moods and temperament and they were
:24:46. > :24:54.very, very funny and television capitalised on that. And it became
:24:54. > :25:00.a catch phrase. You know what I mean, Harry. Hello, Frank, how are
:25:00. > :25:05.you? Very well. Frank became a celebrity in his own right and
:25:05. > :25:11.swapped his boxer shorts for a smart suit. Every time he was
:25:11. > :25:16.invited on to a show, the presenters started to laugh. Many a
:25:16. > :25:22.presenter started laughing because Frank started. It's catching.
:25:22. > :25:27.Weights, sprinction, all sorts of things. What weight are you now?
:25:27. > :25:36.After I finish, I'll be about eight stone.
:25:36. > :25:41.Along with others, I too fell for Frank's infectious humour.
:25:41. > :25:46.But there was no joking around when he was back in the ring. Frank won
:25:46. > :25:53.fight after fight. He seemed unstoppable.
:25:53. > :25:58.Bruno has marked up win number 15 in his professional career. You won
:25:58. > :26:04.so many straight fights in your career. Yes. Did you feel
:26:05. > :26:09.invincible? No, boxing is never a game where you can feel invincible.
:26:09. > :26:18.Did you have your religious faith then? I always prayed. Did you say
:26:18. > :26:23.to God, "Let me win." 24/7. All the time and not to hurt anybody and
:26:23. > :26:28.make sure the cheque doesn't bounce. Even though the other guy on the
:26:28. > :26:34.other side is probably asking God the same thing. That's right.
:26:34. > :26:39.relationship with the all mighty was bound with a pre-match ritual.
:26:40. > :26:44.Every time Franklin is going to box he always puts on his special
:26:44. > :26:49.shorts and down to the church to be prayed for. He never go to box
:26:49. > :26:54.without he asks for prayer. Frank's holy shorts couldn't work every
:26:54. > :27:01.time, though, and after 21 victorious professional fights he
:27:01. > :27:05.met his match. The person who defeated you had the wonderful name,
:27:05. > :27:11.Bonecrusher Smith. Yeah, Bonecrusher Smith, he was the same
:27:11. > :27:18.size as me, but he was a man. I was a boy. I don't think my tools had
:27:18. > :27:24.developed then, I was a late developer. I was leading for eight
:27:24. > :27:31.rounds, but unfortunately he knocked me out in the ninth round.
:27:31. > :27:38.Where did he land the punch? He was like a machinegun. My head, body.
:27:38. > :27:43.Every box that he box, I box with him! Until you become a mother then
:27:43. > :27:48.you'll understand how it feels. do you feel yourself getting
:27:48. > :27:53.weaker? I felt myself going to the ground but I'd never had the
:27:53. > :27:57.experience and in myself to hold him and go on the floor and spit
:27:58. > :28:06.the gum shield out. I was too honest and straight, rather than
:28:06. > :28:11.try to cheat. So with cheating, if you spit your gum shield out.....
:28:11. > :28:18.It's not cheating. It's like you doing an interview, but looking at
:28:18. > :28:24.your, while you talk to me. Little tricks of the trade. So if you've
:28:24. > :28:29.spat it out. It gives you time to recover. The referee stops it and
:28:29. > :28:34.you have to wash if. It's not cheating, it's little tricks of the
:28:34. > :28:40.trade. But you didn't do it? When you were defeated, did you go
:28:40. > :28:45.home thinking, "Oh, somebody did that to me." Yeah, you've let the
:28:45. > :28:50.fans down and yourself down. Yeah, it was a bit rough, to be honest.
:28:50. > :28:56.But that's how life goes. Boxing is a very special sport. It's not like
:28:56. > :29:02.a team game where you can hide for a bit of the game, you have to have
:29:02. > :29:10.immense character and courage, because it's a one-to-one situation.
:29:10. > :29:15.It's a very chosen profession, but a very hard game. And a fine line
:29:15. > :29:22.between knowing you can knock someone out, and negotiate you
:29:22. > :29:26.could kill them. Yeah, you don't go into boxing to kill someone, or be
:29:26. > :29:32.killed yourself. But it's a fine line. You want to stop them, but
:29:32. > :29:37.let them get up again. Yeah. boxing isn't just about having a
:29:37. > :29:43.winning punch. Frank would need to be mentally tough too, as he
:29:43. > :29:51.prepared to challenge for the World Heavyweight title against the
:29:51. > :29:57.formidable champion, Iron Mike Tyson. I'm so good, I'm great.
:29:57. > :30:02.not here to have a slanging match. People ask me why to boxers get
:30:02. > :30:08.into mind games before a fight. Insulting each other or going to
:30:08. > :30:12.hit each other at the final press conference. Most it's a game. There
:30:12. > :30:17.have been times when it's for real, but 99% of the time it's done in
:30:18. > :30:23.the hope of selling tickets. before a fight there is all that
:30:23. > :30:29.jousting, and ficking out your opponent. All of that. -- psyching
:30:29. > :30:35.out your opponent. Who was the best at it against you? I would say
:30:36. > :30:39.Tyson. What would they say? things, just looking at you and
:30:39. > :30:46.getting you off your guard and getting you unsettled. It's a
:30:46. > :30:53.boxing thing that you do. Give me your psyching out look. Think I'm
:30:53. > :31:00.Mike Tyson, do it to me? No, I couldn't do that to you fern, I
:31:00. > :31:04.couldn't. Give me the look. I don't think that was it at all! I mean,
:31:04. > :31:14.there is battle? Definitely battle. So you look each other in the eye
:31:14. > :31:18.and go for it? Definitely. Ding- ding, round one.
:31:18. > :31:25.Against Tyson, Frank would find The test.
:31:25. > :31:31.Tyson is one of the most formidable fighters. He has upper cuts and
:31:31. > :31:36.every shot in the book. But Frank had a jab that I like a pistol.
:31:36. > :31:42.was that fight particularly when Frank got Mike Tyson and you're
:31:42. > :31:49.thinking, "Is he going to do this?" After a valiant effort, Frank lost
:31:49. > :31:53.in the fifth round. I went in there and tried my best,
:31:53. > :31:59.but my best weren't good enough. Does that hurt your pride when you
:31:59. > :32:04.come out of the ring and you haven't won? Yeah, it does. But
:32:04. > :32:09.everything I've done in boxing I went in there and gave it 110%, so
:32:09. > :32:15.I don't feel bad in myself because I know I went in there and tried my
:32:15. > :32:21.best. He wasn't the only one who thought that. When Frank returned
:32:21. > :32:27.from America, the reception he got was unprecedented. Can you tell us
:32:28. > :32:31.how it feels? It's unbelievable. How many times does a loser get the
:32:31. > :32:37.acclaim that Frank got after that? You'd have thought he'd won,
:32:37. > :32:44.because the public, even the non- boxing public, he just became a
:32:44. > :32:49.hero overnight. He's done us proud. I thought he was fantastic, what
:32:49. > :32:54.he'd done. Good old Frank. He may not have been victorious, but
:32:54. > :32:59.nobody seemed to care and the attention he received was
:32:59. > :33:03.relentless. Even his personal life became headline news. In 1990, when
:33:03. > :33:08.he married his long-term girlfriend, Laura, the cameras were there. And
:33:08. > :33:13.again, a week later, when he received his MBE for his
:33:13. > :33:17.achievements in boxing. Did you get any peace or was your privacy
:33:17. > :33:23.inindividualed all the time? Sometimes it comes with the
:33:23. > :33:28.territory, you know what I mean. Sometimes your privacy is taken
:33:28. > :33:33.away with the press and everything, but you have to take the smooth
:33:33. > :33:37.with the rough. But tough still. Sometimes you must think, "I just
:33:38. > :33:41.want to nip round to the supermarket.". Yeah, but you can't
:33:41. > :33:46.grumble. When you're involved with a sport like that, it's one of them
:33:46. > :33:53.things. It's part of life. When you had that money in the bank and you
:33:53. > :33:58.could think, "I could do some stuff with that, I could get myself some
:33:58. > :34:05.better things." What did you treat yourself to? I got some nice
:34:05. > :34:11.clothes and nice cars, and bought a house in Marbella. I got some nice
:34:11. > :34:16.things overall. Frank didn't let his fame go to his head. His new-
:34:16. > :34:20.found wealth was not going to let him lose sight of his long-term
:34:20. > :34:26.dream. It's a rocky road, the boxing game and anything could
:34:26. > :34:31.happen. He was focused on winning and
:34:31. > :34:35.despite his celebrity status, took his sport very seriously. Frank
:34:35. > :34:40.always looked good before every fight he had because he was a
:34:40. > :34:46.fitness fanatic. Still is. So there was never, ever a time when he
:34:46. > :34:52.didn't look fit and at the time he had a great trainer in the late
:34:52. > :34:57.George Francis. Garage would take him in the depths of winter to
:34:57. > :35:05.Hampstead Heath at six in the morning. That toughens you up.
:35:05. > :35:09.that meant that he was in top form as he prepared for the fight of his
:35:09. > :35:18.life against Oliver McCall, for the world title. When we get in there
:35:18. > :35:21.and he's fired up, but he's going to be knocked out. Frank had tried
:35:21. > :35:28.three times before to become Heavyweight Champion of the world
:35:28. > :35:33.and this was Oliver McCall, the fourth attempt, the "last chance
:35:33. > :35:40.saloon". It was one of the most electrifying environments I've been
:35:40. > :35:45.in. Everyone was rooting for Frank to win. The crowd and the
:35:45. > :35:50.electricity was incredible. Everyone was loving each other and
:35:50. > :35:56.back slapping. Millions tuned in on television. The country had Frank
:35:56. > :36:03.fever. But not everyone was enjoying it. His mum couldn't bear
:36:03. > :36:06.to watch. I didn't go to that. I know what I was doing? Praying.
:36:06. > :36:16.performed fantastically for the first ten rounds, but then in the
:36:16. > :36:23.last two rounds, Oliver McCall came back. Frank was rocking and rolling
:36:23. > :36:32.in the 14th and 15th rounds.. you remember how it was? Oh, yeah,
:36:32. > :36:37.he was a very, very tough, arrogant man. He drove hard rounds. Boxers
:36:37. > :36:44.say nobody knows what we're going through, but we do, as fans,
:36:44. > :36:51.because we go through every punch with him. And what was the best
:36:51. > :36:55.snunch I got several good punches, but I couldn't knock him out.
:36:55. > :37:03.he got there and when his hand was raised in victory everybody was in
:37:03. > :37:08.tears and I must admit I had a lump in my throat. Frank was in tears
:37:08. > :37:14.and the place went bananas. I feel blessed and I thank God that he
:37:14. > :37:21.went that far. But you won. Oh, yes. It was a nice feeling I wanted in
:37:21. > :37:27.my make-up, to have that thing as a title, the former WB C champion.
:37:27. > :37:31.you still have the belt? Yeah, it's in my bedroom and I look at it
:37:31. > :37:36.every day. Frank was a national hero, a true champion and took to
:37:36. > :37:41.the streets to celebrate. Afterwards, it was like the whole
:37:41. > :37:48.country was going to share in his joy. You just went round with a big
:37:48. > :37:53.smile. It's probably like when England won the World Cup in 1966.
:37:53. > :37:59.And he was so proud to fly the flag. Isle' never forget that. But just
:37:59. > :38:06.six months later, Frank had to face Tyson once again. The fight would
:38:06. > :38:12.earn him $6 million, but his title would be seriously at risk.
:38:12. > :38:18.Thousands of fans flew out to Las Vagas with some hope and
:38:18. > :38:23.trepidation. It was almost a call to arms. He's our guy. We have to
:38:23. > :38:33.go. And several thousand Brits were there, and it wasn't just the cigar
:38:33. > :38:34.
:38:34. > :38:39.chompers. The transformation of this stadium has taken the crowd by
:38:39. > :38:46.surprise. I went with the army and we were optimistic. The fans may
:38:46. > :38:50.have been hopeful, but Tyson had shown he was a notoriously
:38:50. > :38:55.ferocious fighter. Frank was taller with a longer reach than his
:38:55. > :38:58.opponent, but on the night, would that be enough? Body language is
:38:58. > :39:05.very important in all sports. The walk from the locker room, to the
:39:05. > :39:09.ring. We were watching, in our press seats on a TV monitor and I
:39:09. > :39:15.counted it, I couldn't believe it, we were amazed. He crossed himself
:39:15. > :39:19.13 times on that walk to the ring. So all his confidence had
:39:19. > :39:24.evaporated in a matter of seconds and he was like a rabbit in front
:39:24. > :39:30.of the headlights in that fight, and Tyson found it the easiest
:39:30. > :39:36.thing in the world to knock him out in three rounds. I think Mike Tyson,
:39:36. > :39:40.at that time, he was an animal at that time. Getting in the ring, let
:39:40. > :39:46.alone fighting him, I cannot imagine how much courage it takes
:39:47. > :39:52.to get in the ring with somebody like Mike Tyson. Frank Bruno
:39:52. > :39:59.arrived back in Britain today after his crushing defeat against Mike
:39:59. > :40:04.Tyson. Froick was battered and bruised and -- Frank was battered
:40:04. > :40:09.and bruised and felt deplated. gutted. I'd like to come back with
:40:09. > :40:15.my belt, but at the end of the day I feel sorry for the British people
:40:15. > :40:18.who went over there and spent all their money. That's Frank. Even in
:40:19. > :40:23.his darkest moment he's always worried about other people. Every
:40:23. > :40:28.sports person gets to a period in their life when they probably feel
:40:28. > :40:32.they can take no more pain, particularly if you've been paid
:40:32. > :40:39.quite nicely for the job you've done. I got the impression with
:40:39. > :40:45.Frank every time he was asked to comment or speak after his fight
:40:45. > :40:50.with Tyson it was, "I've let the fans down" and people don't want to
:40:50. > :40:56.hear that, it's what you want to do, because you've let nobody down.
:40:56. > :41:01.After that second fight with Tyson, you retired gracefully and
:41:01. > :41:05.graciously. And it was partly because of your eye. Yeah, I had a
:41:05. > :41:10.detached retina at the time. it's very important for your
:41:10. > :41:16.licence to be medical fit. Yeah, you've got to be fit all the time.
:41:16. > :41:20.I can see some cuts there. Yeah, I've got the scars. Who did what?
:41:20. > :41:29.don't know. I've got some of these out of boxing, rather than in
:41:29. > :41:37.boxing. But I have some scars there. Is there a Tyson scar there?
:41:37. > :41:43.think here, or from, I'm not too sure. TVs with reluctance you
:41:43. > :41:48.retired? No, I think it was the right time. I was 33 and I was
:41:48. > :41:54.getting hard to push yourself. Once you've achieved your goal it's a
:41:54. > :41:59.nice feeling and the Tyson goal was the last thing that happened to me.
:41:59. > :42:08.And it was nice to finish on a highway note. A world note. Yeah.
:42:08. > :42:15.As one door closed, another opened. Frank became a showbiz favourite..
:42:15. > :42:20.Hello beautiful. Thank, Noel, but I'm only acting. You were still
:42:20. > :42:28."Bruno" to everybody and they all loved you and you move r moved into
:42:28. > :42:35.the life of showbiz. Yeah, panto. It was nice. I had a good manager
:42:35. > :42:39.at the time. Because when you leave boxing, I moved into showbiz and I
:42:39. > :42:44.met some nice people in showbiz and they helped you along the way. It
:42:44. > :42:51.was very, very good. I enjoyed myself. But Frank's personal life
:42:51. > :42:57.was falling apart. His manager, Terry Lawless, retired to Spain and
:42:57. > :43:03.his trainer, George Francis, who had been a father figure, had died.
:43:03. > :43:08.And after 16 years together he and his wife, Laura split up. She and
:43:09. > :43:14.the children left home. He suddenly found himself entirely on his own.
:43:14. > :43:19.Ever since he'd started boxing, there had always been somebody
:43:20. > :43:24.there to rely on to tell him what to do and all those people had left.
:43:24. > :43:31.It was this solitude and the fact that he was on his own, and no-one
:43:31. > :43:34.to turn to, except the wrong people. He started DJing and going up and
:43:34. > :43:39.down the country. Unfortunately some of the characters that latched
:43:39. > :43:46.on to him during that period of time were probably not the right
:43:46. > :43:52.sort of people. I understand you've dabbled with cocaine, skunk. Yeah.
:43:52. > :43:58.And what led you to that? Why did you think "I'm going to try a bit
:43:58. > :44:05.of this"? I think it's the company that you get yourself in, I don't
:44:05. > :44:09.know, or curiosity. Sometimes, in boxing I never got involved in
:44:09. > :44:16.nothing like that, and the end you always get this curiosity. It may
:44:16. > :44:23.kill the cat, you know what I mean, but I can't really say I'm perfect
:44:23. > :44:28.and I did dabble, and whatever. Added to this, Frank had underlying
:44:28. > :44:32.mental health problems. He'd been diagnosed with bipolar disorder,
:44:32. > :44:39.which was beginning to affect his behaviour. When did you know that
:44:39. > :44:43.the bipolar was creeping up? couldn't really pinpoint the time
:44:43. > :44:49.or whatever. I was doing, I think, buying a lot of things. When you
:44:49. > :44:53.say buying a lot of things, what? Going to the shop and if there were
:44:53. > :44:58.oranges there I'd buy 20 oranges when I only needed five. Or going
:44:58. > :45:03.to a shop and buying five shirts when I only needed one. Doing
:45:03. > :45:10.things like that, and doing odd things. One of the symptoms that
:45:10. > :45:17.came to me was he would phone every minute. And when he is well you
:45:17. > :45:24.hear from him once a day, but when he is not well, he'd phone from six
:45:24. > :45:28.o'clock in the morning until one, two, three or four in the morning.
:45:28. > :45:35.He'd go marching off and you'd find him in the woods and he'd been
:45:35. > :45:39.sleeping out there. The classic signs of bipolar, and you can get
:45:39. > :45:44.it mildly, moderately or extreme. It used to be called manic
:45:44. > :45:49.depression, which probably sums it up more expressively, because it is
:45:49. > :45:54.about having manic highs where you are not sleeping or eating and your
:45:54. > :46:00.patterns of behaviour have changed. Quite often people describe it as
:46:00. > :46:06.feeling superhuman. But coupled with that is often a very severe,
:46:06. > :46:11.deep depressive episode as well. And then when the lows would come?
:46:11. > :46:17.You'd feel really down. You didn't have the energy to get up. You'd
:46:17. > :46:23.lay in bed. I think after I got divorced this really hit me the
:46:23. > :46:27.most. In September 2003, Frank reached rock bottom. His family and
:46:27. > :46:33.friends knew he needed professional psychiatric help. Doctors were
:46:33. > :46:37.called to the house to section him under the Mental Health Act. What a
:46:37. > :46:42.terrifying day that must have been. Yeah. Was there any warning? Did
:46:42. > :46:47.you know they were coming? I didn't know they were coming. All I knew
:46:47. > :46:53.was a knock on the door and there were some people as the door and
:46:53. > :46:57.they were there to section me. I believe I should have been
:46:57. > :47:03.sectioned. I did need it because the kettle was boiling and I let it
:47:03. > :47:11.boil over. He called me and I was 40 miles away and he said, "You've
:47:11. > :47:15.got to come and make sense of it." This was at his big home, Stoney
:47:15. > :47:21.Massey. And I got there as quickly as I could, and the police were
:47:21. > :47:27.there, nurses, and his gardener and his ex-wife. And they'd been there
:47:27. > :47:33.an hour, keeping them at bay. He was very ill and if he didn't get
:47:33. > :47:39.help, we could have lost our World Champion, our much-loved Frank.
:47:39. > :47:45.took a lot of them to get you into the ambulance? It took a lot. But
:47:45. > :47:52.I'm not a violent guy. I've done boxing, but the law is the law. If
:47:52. > :47:56.the police are there, I'm not foolish, I'm not going to start
:47:56. > :48:02.doing stupid things, I just fiddled around and kept them waiting for
:48:02. > :48:07.about four hours. Did you? Yeah, they were getting fed up with me.
:48:07. > :48:14.They'd almost got him in the ambulance and he'd come back out.
:48:14. > :48:21.And it was like, "Here we go." It was like a game of chase. He'd say,
:48:21. > :48:27."I've got to go back in the house" and they said they wouldn't let him
:48:27. > :48:33.and he'd say, "I'm not going without my Bible." Frank was taken
:48:33. > :48:41.to hospital in a glare of publicity and one newspaper landed a punch
:48:41. > :48:47.The belt. Of course, it resulted in a headline "Bonkers Bruno." I'm a
:48:47. > :48:52.sports writer and my copy appears on the sports pages. And this was a
:48:52. > :48:57.headline on the front page win by the news people. It was very
:48:57. > :49:02.insensitive. And they apologised, quite rightly. I found it abhorrent
:49:02. > :49:07.at the time because the man was ill. The Sun had misjudged the public
:49:07. > :49:12.mood. And again, you had overwhelminging support. Oh, the
:49:12. > :49:16.letters I got was unbelievable. Like Father Christmas letters. I
:49:16. > :49:25.didn't realise how many people have a breakdown and mental illnesses,
:49:25. > :49:29.and whatever. I'm not the only one out there. Gosh, no. They supported
:49:29. > :49:34.me with prayers and the church supported him with prayers, so
:49:34. > :49:40.encouraging him. And he would always phone to say, "Pray for me."
:49:40. > :49:45.In hospital, do they encourage faith? Are you able to get to a
:49:45. > :49:53.chapel? I definitely went to the chapel. And it did help you? Yeah,
:49:53. > :49:59.definitely. I had the Bible by my bed all the time. Just to dip into?
:49:59. > :50:07.I don't know what I'm dipping into. But I do. Where it opens up, you
:50:07. > :50:11.have a read? Yeah. When you get a big-hearted guy like that, where is
:50:11. > :50:21.their shoulder to cry on? And I think that's what he ninds the
:50:21. > :50:22.
:50:22. > :50:25.Bible. In his dark -- he finds in the Bible. Frank spent 28 days
:50:25. > :50:30.receiving treatment before he came home. Unfortunately, it's not like
:50:30. > :50:36.when you break a leg or an arm, people can see what you've done.
:50:36. > :50:43.But with mental illness, there's no obvious signs that you're suffering.
:50:43. > :50:49.And Frank did suffer a great deal. The first step of your recovery was
:50:49. > :50:55.admitted to it. Frank has been open about his problems and he and
:50:55. > :51:03.daughter, Rachel, joined the charity Time To Change which tries
:51:04. > :51:11.to help remove the stigma with the illness. People avoid your eye.
:51:11. > :51:16.That's where people need to change their attitude.
:51:16. > :51:19.We approached Frank and he agreed. And I thought one of the things he
:51:20. > :51:23.had experience of was stigma and discrimination. But he is very much
:51:23. > :51:29.a hero and a gem, a national treasure and we thought that having
:51:29. > :51:35.him on board would help us reach a male audience in particular.
:51:35. > :51:40.If your teeth hurt you go to the dentist, if your eyes hurt you go
:51:40. > :51:46.to the opticians. If your head hurts, go to mental health. It's
:51:46. > :51:51.nice to let it out, because the more you keep it in you explode.
:51:51. > :51:56.You going to the hospital and taking time out has helped us kids
:51:56. > :52:00.have your dad back and have a relationship. I think Rachel
:52:00. > :52:07.brought it to life for everybody, because it is something that family
:52:07. > :52:11.and friends are affected by, as well as Frank talking about it.
:52:11. > :52:19.Frank's is an ongoing battle with medges illness. Earlier this year,
:52:19. > :52:24.he was sectioned again for treatment. It's fair to say that
:52:24. > :52:30.bipolar never goes away. It needs to be controlled. Frank uses his
:52:30. > :52:34.health and good food and exercise as part of his medicine. How do you
:52:34. > :52:38.think attitudes should be change to people going through emotional
:52:38. > :52:42.disturbance? There's a lot of things that need to be change the,
:52:42. > :52:46.but we haven't got long enough to talk about it. It's how they come
:52:46. > :52:52.to your house with the police and ambulance that should be changed.
:52:52. > :52:55.You need time to let somebody look after your house. They just take
:52:55. > :52:59.you away for six months without anybody looking after your house,
:52:59. > :53:04.it's a terrible thing. You're prepared to put yourself out there
:53:04. > :53:14.as a public voice? Yeah, because it's terrible what they do. It
:53:14. > :53:16.
:53:16. > :53:20.ain't nice at all. Frightening. Scary. It's not spifing at all.
:53:20. > :53:24.There will be people watching who are feeling really low at the
:53:24. > :53:28.moment or confused about why they're not feeling themselves.
:53:28. > :53:32.What message would you have for them? While you're breathing and
:53:32. > :53:37.while you've got life there, there's always someone worse off
:53:37. > :53:42.than yourself and you've just got to accept it some days and go with
:53:43. > :53:47.the flow instead of trying to fight it. I always think about me, but I
:53:47. > :53:52.realise there's so many people worse off than me, and you've got
:53:52. > :54:00.to count your lucky stars, and the man above. He's with you all the
:54:00. > :54:06.time? Oh, 24/7. What is your day- to-day life like now? I go to the
:54:06. > :54:12.gym. I try to look after myself. I've got a girlfriend and I'm just
:54:12. > :54:17.enjoying life and taking things day-to-day. And the money you
:54:17. > :54:22.certainty Yes, I've still got money, I mustn't grumble, but peace of
:54:22. > :54:27.mind and happiness and health is more than wealth. Just try and be
:54:27. > :54:32.happy and if you make some other people happy, it all goes on the
:54:32. > :54:37.score sheet. Frank is back in the public eye, attending charity
:54:37. > :54:44.events and inspiring young people and taking strength from his faith.
:54:44. > :54:50.Who is your best friend? Myself. That's it? Yeah. Do you have other
:54:50. > :54:55.friends? I don't have too many friends, no. I'm my best friend and
:54:55. > :54:59.God is my best friend. You still feel him very much with you?
:54:59. > :55:05.Definitely. I've got my Bible. You've got to have someone to talk
:55:05. > :55:11.to. And what is God to you? Is he a man? What does he look like? Is it
:55:11. > :55:16.just a sneelg I think it's a feeling more -- just a feeling? I
:55:16. > :55:22.think it's a feeling more than anything, because it's a faith that
:55:22. > :55:32.you believe in and you strongly believe in and get a good buzz off
:55:32. > :55:34.
:55:34. > :55:40.it. And do you feel loved by him or anybody? I feel loved my -- by my
:55:40. > :55:45.mum. I'm lucky she's still alive. I'm not a mummy's boy, but she
:55:45. > :55:51.still gives me a lot of strength and guidance in life. And your
:55:51. > :55:57.children? Oh, yeah, they give me strength. They still give me
:55:57. > :56:07.problems. They give you problems? No, I give them more problems!
:56:07. > :56:14.you have four of them now? Yeah, Freya is seven. Franklin will be 13
:56:14. > :56:20.in March. Nick lay is in her 30s, and Rachel. And have any of them
:56:20. > :56:24.got children? No, I'm not a granddad yet. How important is
:56:24. > :56:31.Christmas to you? Very important. It's a nice time to have Christmas,
:56:31. > :56:34.a very special day. What will you be doing? I'll be at home. The kids
:56:34. > :56:40.will probably come round and get their presents and whatever and
:56:40. > :56:44.just have a quiet one. Do you go to church? Sometimes I go to church.
:56:44. > :56:50.This year, I'll make a special effort and go to church. And what
:56:50. > :56:55.presents would you like to sneev I've got all the presents I need.
:56:55. > :57:01.I'll have a little bit more happiness and go somewhere and
:57:01. > :57:11.think about nothing and have peace and happiness. Frank Bruno, happy
:57:11. > :57:17.
:57:17. > :57:22.Christmas. Thank you very much, and all the listeners as well - viewers.
:57:22. > :57:26.Well, Frank has just left and what an extraordinary man he is. How
:57:26. > :57:31.honest he was about everything in his life. But particularly his
:57:31. > :57:35.battle with mental illness and it just goes to show, doesn't it, that
:57:35. > :57:42.you cannot tell from looking at someone whether they are affected
:57:42. > :57:47.by mental illness or not. It hits anybody at any time and he's been a
:57:47. > :57:53.very courageous and brave man, not just in his career, but speaking
:57:53. > :57:57.out about it now to help others. And I love his faith, very simple
:57:57. > :58:07.and very strong, and clearly very secure.
:58:07. > :58:08.
:58:08. > :58:13.It's the European champion, and now he's made his path in the world.
:58:13. > :58:19.Next week, I meet Daniel O'Donnell, the Irish singer with an army of
:58:19. > :58:26.fans. He talks about his special bond with those fans and talks
:58:26. > :58:31.about how you nearly gave up the love of his life for his faith.
:58:31. > :58:35.thought about this thing of being married and children and all and I