:00:09. > :00:14.We've been given new frefdz a charity showing horrific cases of a
:00:14. > :00:20.hate crime against Muslims. But whose to blame? A week when the
:00:20. > :00:30.papers are full of Islamist terrorism, we ask, is the media
:00:30. > :00:42.
:00:42. > :00:45.Good morning. I'm Samira Ahmed. Welcome to Sunday Morning Live. A
:00:45. > :00:50.report from a help line claim Muslims, particularly women, are
:00:50. > :00:54.being attacked and abused on our streets. Is this simple racism or
:00:54. > :00:58.is the media stoking Islamophobia? The Government has announced it's
:00:58. > :01:01.cutting 20,000 troops. Is it time the military shared the pain of the
:01:01. > :01:06.budget cuts? Or is this betraying the men and women who risk their
:01:06. > :01:11.lives for our country? A mother hit the headlines because
:01:11. > :01:15.she bought breast implants for her daughters. Have we become addicted
:01:15. > :01:21.to cosmetic surgery? Later we'll talk to a woman who's had dozens of
:01:21. > :01:24.procedures done. My guests this week are Dame Ann Leslie, she's
:01:24. > :01:29.reported on the Berlin Wall coming down and the release of Nelson man
:01:29. > :01:35.Dell ya. She was proposed to by James May son and flashed at by sal
:01:35. > :01:39.I have dor Dalai. Shafr Shafiq runs a Muslim youth -- Mohammed Shafiq
:01:39. > :01:47.runs a Muslim youth charity. And Symon Hill is the associate
:01:47. > :01:51.director of the Christian think tank Ekklesia. He's been hailed as
:01:51. > :01:56.a hero for his campaigns against the arms trade. Call in now to
:01:56. > :02:06.challenge our guests on Skype. Give views on triter or by phones. --
:02:06. > :02:17.
:02:18. > :02:21.The help line Tell Mama says Muslims are Viscount Nelson lented
:02:21. > :02:26.assaulted because of their face -- are being violented assaulted
:02:26. > :02:29.because of their faith. What is the cause? Is it down to a lack of
:02:29. > :02:33.integration or is the media fuelling hatred?
:02:33. > :02:37.This weekend marks the anniversary of the July 7th terrorist attacks
:02:37. > :02:45.that shook London. They triggered a wave of anti-Muslim feeling around
:02:45. > :02:50.the UK. But seven years on, has anything changed? Figures to be
:02:50. > :02:53.officially released tomorrow by a Government-backed help line suggest
:02:53. > :02:58.regular, violent harassment of Muslims is taking place. The help
:02:58. > :03:02.line recorded 140 serious attacks in the last five months, three
:03:02. > :03:05.quarters against women, ranging from online abuse to physical
:03:05. > :03:10.violence, such as pulling off veils. They say a third of the attacks
:03:10. > :03:13.were carried out by supporters of the BNP or EDL. So what is fuelling
:03:13. > :03:18.these attacks? Many Muslim organisations point the finger at
:03:18. > :03:21.the media. They say Muslims, as a group r, only seen in a negative
:03:21. > :03:25.light, with the papers full of stories about potential terrorist
:03:25. > :03:29.plots. Muslims say this stirs up violence and hatred against them.
:03:29. > :03:34.Most journalists say they are only reporting the facts and they're not
:03:34. > :03:37.responsible for the actions of a few racists. Many politicians are
:03:37. > :03:43.concerned about Muslim segregation in some parts of Britain. Could
:03:43. > :03:46.that be leading to resentment and violence? So is our media to blame
:03:46. > :03:55.for encouraging Islamophobia? Or is that just an excuse for mindless
:03:55. > :03:58.racism? It is just a few mindless racist, isn't it, it's not the
:03:58. > :04:01.media's fault? No, the media has responsibility when it comes to
:04:01. > :04:04.reporting these issues. It's not about facts. If you look at the
:04:05. > :04:08.Mumbai terrorist attacks in 2008, we heard every single newspaper in
:04:08. > :04:12.the aftermath, the day after, reporting that British Muslims were
:04:12. > :04:16.involved. Less than ten hours later, it was the other way. There was no
:04:16. > :04:20.single British Muslim involved. No apologies, no retractions and a
:04:20. > :04:23.whole community demonised. The media have a huge role to play. I
:04:23. > :04:27.think they've got a responsible position on this. That is the
:04:27. > :04:32.question for our vote. Is the media stirring up hatred of Muslims here?
:04:32. > :04:39.If you think it is text the word vote followed by yes or vote
:04:39. > :04:49.followed by no. The number is 81771. This week, you can vote online on
:04:49. > :04:53.We'll show you how you voted at the end of the programme. We know
:04:53. > :04:58.stories like the example of the Mumbai attacks, there is a problem
:04:58. > :05:04.in reporting. There's a problem with the Mumbai attacks were very
:05:04. > :05:08.difficult to get the facts quickly. I agree, newspapers are always
:05:08. > :05:14.making mistakes, but when people say, I blame the media for all of
:05:14. > :05:19.this, it's such an easy excuse. There's a misunderstanding of the
:05:19. > :05:24.nature of newspapers and news stories. They are about what is
:05:24. > :05:32.unusual. What happens most of the time in London, I live in inner
:05:32. > :05:36.London, there are Muslim shop keepers, no problem at all. We
:05:36. > :05:40.don't then report, well, the vast majority of Muslims in this country
:05:40. > :05:46.go about their lives not getting on anybody's nerves. All they're doing
:05:46. > :05:51.is what their non-Muslim friends and neighbours and indeed, you know
:05:51. > :05:56.people go and buy things from their shops. Take that on, specifically
:05:56. > :06:00.that news is the unusual. Yes, it's what is unusual. The moral, ethical
:06:00. > :06:04.question is should journalists be reporting facts. That was a mistake,
:06:04. > :06:07.yes, OK. I wouldn't class that as a mistake. If you look at the
:06:07. > :06:11.headlines today about the 14 arrests we've had over the last few
:06:11. > :06:14.days, we've had three or four different versions in three or four
:06:14. > :06:19.different newspapers. There's a lot of speculation. There's a lot in
:06:19. > :06:23.some cases making it up. That's not good. When you see terrorist
:06:23. > :06:28.suspects who are arrested and then released without charge, there's a
:06:28. > :06:33.huge impact on community relations and all I'm saying is I work as a
:06:33. > :06:38.journalist, I'm involved in the media. Sometimes it's too easy to
:06:38. > :06:42.blame the media. If you read the Mail for example, there seems to be
:06:43. > :06:51.anti-immigrant story pretty much every day in the papers. Let her
:06:51. > :06:57.respond to that. I just feel that - sorry I'm splutering. Muslims have
:06:57. > :07:03.lived here for yonks, no problem at all. The only problem was that a
:07:04. > :07:10.jihadist element started up. So, of course, if you wait until all the
:07:10. > :07:20.facts are there, you don't always get the facts, then people say, oh,
:07:20. > :07:24.you're covering up for this. If you cover up things, gossip and
:07:24. > :07:28.everything actually maibgdz things worse. I want to bring in Simon.
:07:28. > :07:33.Terrorist is news at the moment. What do you make of the argument
:07:33. > :07:37.terrorist suspects happen to be Muslim, that's a legitimate reason
:07:37. > :07:47.for speculation. Terrorism is news at the moment. Most are aware that
:07:47. > :07:55.only a small minority of Muslims are related to terrorism. As Ann
:07:55. > :08:00.says, few are involved in terrorist. The media have to behave
:08:00. > :08:03.responsibly. We see some papers, not all, but some paipirz turn
:08:03. > :08:08.stories into Muslim stories when they're not about Islam. To give
:08:08. > :08:13.you an example. A couple of years ago, there was a local news story
:08:13. > :08:16.about a swimming pool where because of a lack of frosted glass on the
:08:16. > :08:20.bottom screens a few people had complained, particularly women
:08:20. > :08:24.customers at the pool, that people were standing outside and looking
:08:24. > :08:28.in on them in their bathing costumes. Some of the people who
:08:28. > :08:32.complained, happened to be Muslim, not all of them at all. A couple of
:08:32. > :08:39.newspapers ran this story... don't think the Mail did. I don't
:08:39. > :08:46.think it was. But the papers picked it out as a Muslim complain. It was
:08:46. > :08:50.reported Muslim demands swimming in darkness. It's a convenient
:08:50. > :08:56.scapegoat. Who put Islam in the news. Exactly. It was put into the
:08:56. > :09:00.news by the extremists. This is the problem. There's a slippery slope.
:09:00. > :09:04.Are you not supposed to report arrests because it upsets Muslims?
:09:04. > :09:06.I'm opposed to terrorism. I've been campaigning as have thousands of
:09:06. > :09:12.Muslim organisations against terrorism and extremism. The
:09:12. > :09:17.headlines in your paper for example, the Mail and some of the other
:09:18. > :09:25.right-wing newspapers, has been anti-Muslim story, if it's not hall
:09:25. > :09:33.almeat, it's the way women dress or it's that Muslims want to get rid
:09:33. > :09:36.of Christmas. It's to do with... The latter thing about abolishing
:09:36. > :09:40.Christmas was in one particular newspaper and it was rebutted and
:09:40. > :09:43.the rebuttal was printed. I'm not saying the newspapers are wonderful.
:09:43. > :09:49.It shouldn't have been printed in the first place. There's an issue
:09:49. > :09:57.about how you print apologies. I want to bring in a contributor on
:09:57. > :10:00.the phone, from the Tell Mama help line. This is the charity you did
:10:00. > :10:03.research on nasty attacks on Muslimed, which we mentioned at the
:10:03. > :10:07.top of the programme. You found a significant any more of these
:10:07. > :10:12.attacks are on women and carried out by men who often have connected
:10:12. > :10:17.to the BNP or the EDL, is that right? That's right. Thank you for
:10:17. > :10:23.having me on. Our report has found that of the 170 cases to date, and
:10:23. > :10:26.we've been running since March of this year that the majority of the
:10:26. > :10:36.attacks are against Muslim females, over 70% of the callerers Muslim
:10:36. > :10:36.
:10:36. > :10:44.female. The majority of those numbers wear the hijabs, so they're
:10:44. > :10:47.women. The women who welcome back the niqab and hijab are more likely
:10:47. > :10:52.to have more repeat and aggressive attacks and that the individuals
:10:52. > :10:58.carrying out these attacks are mainly young white males aged
:10:58. > :11:03.between 20 to 50 with an online presence, because we also look at
:11:03. > :11:08.online issues, with an online presence having a large number,
:11:08. > :11:12.disproportionate number of EDL sympathisers who are spouting a
:11:12. > :11:15.great deal of anti-Muslim rhetoric and hate. Do you think there's a
:11:15. > :11:19.direct connection between these kinds of attacks and media
:11:20. > :11:25.reporting? Absolutely. You just look at the Rochdale incident and
:11:25. > :11:30.you look at the online activity of EDL, for example EDL sympathisers.
:11:30. > :11:33.They are saying thipgs like paedophile Muslims and this is
:11:33. > :11:41.constant. It's just, it spike when's there are incidents
:11:41. > :11:48.nationally or internationally. ahead. Simply, all around the world,
:11:48. > :11:54.the main victims of violence are women of whatever sex, whatever age.
:11:54. > :11:58.So in a way this is a problem of men and women. And this happens in
:11:58. > :12:03.Muslim countries. The only time I have nearly been raped was actually
:12:03. > :12:08.in a Muslim country by a so-called devout Muslim. So violence against
:12:08. > :12:13.women is all over the world. It's not always... Your paper doesn't
:12:13. > :12:19.feel the need to print these stories when women are attacked in
:12:19. > :12:22.the streets and verbly abused. Yet they're very quick to print anti-
:12:22. > :12:27.Muslim stories. This is the problem from ethical and a moral point of
:12:27. > :12:30.view that I base my argument on is that we've got to, you know, these
:12:31. > :12:37.women - I've met some of these victims across the country who've
:12:37. > :12:44.been spat at and verbally abused - we'd like to see the same angerened
:12:44. > :12:48.frustration from politicians. you have a terrorist component -
:12:48. > :12:52.hang on. When you have a terrorist component, a small one in any group,
:12:52. > :12:58.I'm old enough to have lived in London through the IRA bombings, a
:12:58. > :13:03.friend of mine was killed in the Harrods bomb. And I live quite near
:13:03. > :13:08.a very Irish area with Irish pubs. Irish people, most of whom have
:13:08. > :13:13.been here for yonks, they're not, you know they just enjoy their
:13:13. > :13:16.Guinness and the rest of it and sing Irish songs. No stereotyping.
:13:16. > :13:21.They found they were terribly discriminated against. They would
:13:21. > :13:26.be spat at, you bombers and things. Now that's all stopped. They don't
:13:26. > :13:32.bother. The fact that something's happened before isn't an excuse.
:13:32. > :13:39.course it's not. But the man who recently tore off a woman's niqab
:13:39. > :13:44.and made her feel terrible, A, he was a bloke who had been on
:13:44. > :13:48.cannabis, which is an extremely paranoid inducing thing. B, he was
:13:48. > :13:54.upset and angry because his girlfriend had left him. And C, and
:13:54. > :14:01.to a certain extent I have sympathy, the niqab is in itself, I'm afraid,
:14:01. > :14:06.an aggressive act. It says... Explain why. I want nothing to do
:14:06. > :14:10.with your society. I know in my society is pretty awful in many
:14:10. > :14:15.ways, but it says no... It's extremely difficult to sit next to
:14:15. > :14:20.a very successful woman who tries to criticise the right of women to
:14:20. > :14:27.choose how they dress. Islam is full of that as you know. A gree
:14:27. > :14:30.with you. -- I agree with you. When people are going on the streets and
:14:30. > :14:34.spitting on women who wear the niqab, pulling them off and putting
:14:34. > :14:37.excrement on their faces, that's happening. That's just an excuse by
:14:37. > :14:41.thugs who might be doing other crimes to other women. If you list
:14:41. > :14:51.ton what Ann says on her third point, it tells you it's more than
:14:51. > :14:56.
:14:56. > :15:00.The media is wrong on hate crime. Of course it is wrong. Not just
:15:00. > :15:06.with Islam. The right wing press have had a stream of stories about
:15:06. > :15:12.disabled, so called scroungers, people claiming disability benefit
:15:12. > :15:17.when they are not entitled. Various non-government organisations have
:15:17. > :15:23.said that hate crime, insults in the street, against disabled people
:15:23. > :15:28.has gone up sharply. Is it part of a wider picture of media field
:15:28. > :15:35.intolerance? I just want to bring in another contributor on social
:15:35. > :15:39.media. We have at Robert West from the BNP. We have heard that a lot
:15:39. > :15:44.of these nasty attacks on women are being carried out by men who have
:15:44. > :15:50.sympathies with your party. It sounds like mindless racism to me?
:15:50. > :15:54.Islam is a religion, not a race. If people have issues in this way,
:15:54. > :16:01.behaving in this way with members of the community, we would support
:16:01. > :16:06.that. The British National Party is for educating the public about the
:16:06. > :16:16.true nature of Islam, and organising proper and legitimate
:16:16. > :16:18.
:16:18. > :16:23.political opposition to the Islamification of Britain. Robert
:16:23. > :16:28.has this narrow-minded view about this. The majority of attacks that
:16:28. > :16:34.have been carried out are by sympathisers with his party. It is
:16:34. > :16:41.a fascist ideology that violates human dignity. Robert West is a
:16:41. > :16:48.shining example of that. I believe in freedom of speech and a liberal
:16:48. > :16:54.democracy. We have got to have a good debate. But endorsing the
:16:54. > :16:59.abuse of women is not acceptable. He is not saying that. He is
:16:59. > :17:04.putting a PR spin on it. But actions speak louder than words.
:17:04. > :17:09.have someone who has been a victim of one of these attacks. What
:17:09. > :17:15.happened to you? Thanks for having me on. What happened to me a few
:17:15. > :17:20.years ago is I was walking home one evening, about 5 o'clock, and I
:17:20. > :17:26.noticed a group of young white men, eight or nine of them, and the rush
:17:26. > :17:30.towards me and pushed me onto the floor. While they were doing this,
:17:30. > :17:40.they were screaming and eight Bin Laden scum and other abusive words
:17:40. > :17:43.
:17:43. > :17:47.at me. I fell to the ground and I fell my hijab been torn. I was
:17:47. > :17:55.being kicked and punched for what felt like a lifetime. A few minutes
:17:55. > :18:00.later, I thought something was being poured over me, from various
:18:00. > :18:09.sources, some sort of liquid. I realised later when it splashed
:18:09. > :18:15.into my mouth that I was sexually being urinated on. -- that I was
:18:15. > :18:20.actually. Towards the end of the attack, something was being robbed
:18:20. > :18:30.on my face. Whether or it was by more than one person, I do not
:18:30. > :18:36.recall. For they were rubbing dog faeces in my face. Why did the
:18:36. > :18:43.police say, did they say this was Islamophobia? The classified this
:18:43. > :18:53.as a race attack. Clearly it was not. It was clear it was anti-
:18:53. > :18:54.
:18:54. > :18:58.Muslim prejudice because of the words they were using. I had the
:18:58. > :19:05.same group of men shouting at me and throwing stones at me in the
:19:05. > :19:12.week leading up to the attack. Thank you very much for coming on
:19:12. > :19:21.ensuring that story. It is an appalling tale. -- and telling us
:19:21. > :19:31.that story. This vicious attack is terrible. Why is this not in the
:19:31. > :19:31.
:19:31. > :19:37.media. The hijabs is the headscarf. Were you wearing a burka at the
:19:37. > :19:43.time as well? Does that make a difference? I do not think she was.
:19:43. > :19:50.I have worked in the Middle East a lot, some of it under cover. I was
:19:50. > :19:57.born in a Muslim country, Pakistan, it was not Pakistan then! When I go
:19:57. > :20:05.to Iran, or Saudi Arabia, I have to wear it the full outfit. I am
:20:05. > :20:14.obliged to do that. It seems to me that a few where a bail out, you
:20:14. > :20:20.cannot see any face. -- it seems to me that if you wear a veil, you
:20:20. > :20:26.cannot see any face. Whatever she was wearing, the attack was
:20:26. > :20:32.disgusting, of course it was. I do not think any newspaper would say,
:20:32. > :20:38.wonderful, speak up for white men. We see these stories in the
:20:38. > :20:44.newspapers, we do not see these stories. Out of respect, we do not.
:20:45. > :20:49.If it was an anti- Muslim story, it would be front page news. I want to
:20:49. > :20:57.let Robert West respond to this. What do you say to this woman who
:20:57. > :21:02.had that appalling attack on her. Would you condemn it? Of course we
:21:02. > :21:07.would. There is a problem with Islam that has to be dealt with
:21:07. > :21:11.politically, rather than in the way that certain members of the EDL are
:21:11. > :21:17.people that have at is used to have seen the danger of Islam, but are
:21:17. > :21:24.not reacting to it, not reacting in the appropriate political way that
:21:24. > :21:30.they should. Talk about the danger of Islam only helps to feel these
:21:30. > :21:35.attacks. Viewers will have seemed Robert West in at that picture
:21:35. > :21:43.wearing a dog collar because he claims to be a priest. But no
:21:43. > :21:47.denomination will claim him, no one will say where he was ordained.
:21:47. > :21:52.there an issue about politicians? Was it right to not taught about
:21:52. > :21:56.crimes and issues of integration? Rochdale is a great example of
:21:56. > :22:02.where people feel a problem was ignored because no one wanted to
:22:02. > :22:09.step up sensitivities? I live in Rochdale. I was born in that town
:22:09. > :22:14.and still live there. There are two issues. I think the Rochdale thing
:22:14. > :22:19.is a completely different debate for another day. But if you look at
:22:19. > :22:23.integration, we have had an opinion poll in the last few days, Muslims
:22:23. > :22:28.are more integrated, more passionate and patriotic than their
:22:29. > :22:34.British counterparts. Celebrating air defences is good, but we have
:22:34. > :22:39.got to be strong in holding values that bind us together. What I
:22:39. > :22:47.really dislike about coming on programmes like this, you always
:22:47. > :22:57.have the nutters from both sides. hope you do not see me as a matter!
:22:57. > :22:57.
:22:57. > :23:02.No no, you are wonderful, because you Foundation is sensible. The EU
:23:02. > :23:08.have some people speaking for Muslims, when they do not. The BNP
:23:08. > :23:16.is no more representative of white people... They are representative
:23:16. > :23:21.of issues at the extreme. We are encouraging them. Briefly, a couple
:23:21. > :23:28.of your comments. The Western media is directly responsible for the
:23:28. > :23:32.rise of the far right by spreading hysteria. Martin says, wadi Muslims
:23:32. > :23:40.feel they are so hard done by by the press? The media exaggerates
:23:40. > :23:45.stories about everyone. Thank you very much. I know it is a very
:23:45. > :23:55.emotive issue. That is our opinion poll question today. Is the media
:23:55. > :23:56.
:23:56. > :24:06.staring up hatred of Muslims? You can get in touch on our website,
:24:06. > :24:08.
:24:08. > :24:11.and you can vote by the number on This week, the Defence Secretary
:24:11. > :24:14.paid tribute to three British soldiers killed in Afghanistan but
:24:14. > :24:20.he also announced he is cutting thousands of jobs for their fellow
:24:20. > :24:25.troops. Is the government betraying our soldiers by reducing numbers on
:24:25. > :24:30.this scale, or when large numbers of social workers and teachers are
:24:30. > :24:34.being made redundant, should the military share the pain? Philip
:24:34. > :24:38.Hammond announced this week that he is cutting the number of soldiers
:24:38. > :24:46.by 20,000 while doubling the number of part-time reserve troops. He
:24:46. > :24:50.claims it will make the army more flexible. The principal focus is
:24:50. > :24:55.the brave men and women currently serving and the units in which they
:24:55. > :25:01.serve. The army that emerges from this process must be a modern
:25:01. > :25:05.fighting machine. Supporters of the plan say we do not need as many
:25:05. > :25:10.troops and the Government says it will not be engaging on the scale
:25:10. > :25:13.of Afghanistan and Iraq again. Supporters say Britain has the
:25:13. > :25:19.fourth-biggest defence budget in the world and at a time of
:25:20. > :25:24.austerity, there is no reason why the military should be spared cuts.
:25:24. > :25:28.But military family say it is a betrayal. Cutting regiments and
:25:28. > :25:32.Italians will damage the morale of those fighting and dying in
:25:32. > :25:37.Afghanistan. They argue that fewer troops and more reservists will
:25:37. > :25:42.lead to a weakened army and there will be a massive social cost in
:25:42. > :25:47.sending 20,000 soldiers out to hunt for work in recession-hit Britain.
:25:47. > :25:52.Is it an insult to soldiers who risk their lives to protect us, or
:25:52. > :25:57.is it a tough but necessary decision at a time of cuts? If you
:25:57. > :26:03.have a webcam you can make your point with us, or you can join the
:26:03. > :26:09.conversation on Twitter. The details are on the screen. We are
:26:09. > :26:15.joined by Patrick Mercer, a colonel who served in Bosnia. This is your
:26:15. > :26:22.Government's policy, is it morally wrong? Any government's moral and
:26:22. > :26:29.physical duty, first and foremost, is the defence of the nation. If we
:26:29. > :26:34.were to see a 20 % cut in teachers, policemen, social workers, doctors,
:26:34. > :26:40.there would be an absolute national outcry. There has been for many a
:26:40. > :26:44.lesser cuts than those of 20 %. But I criticised heavily the military
:26:44. > :26:49.decision, not the political decision, because clearly cuts have
:26:49. > :26:55.to be made in the Ministry of Defence. But the military decision
:26:55. > :26:59.to reduce manpower, particularly combat power rather than equipment.
:26:59. > :27:04.We hear these arguments that our slimmed-down armed forces will be
:27:04. > :27:08.more effective. But what are we going to do, give each Radovan
:27:08. > :27:15.Karadzic rifles? The campaigns of the last couple of decades have
:27:15. > :27:22.shown that we need manpower. It is a serious military misjudgment.
:27:22. > :27:25.This is not like cutting other public sector jobs, is it? It is
:27:25. > :27:31.putting soldiers on the dole just as many other people are
:27:31. > :27:36.experiencing it. I grew up with my father on the dole. I would not
:27:37. > :27:42.wish unemployment on anyone. But as a result of the Government's
:27:42. > :27:46.economic policies, we are seeing a massive rise in unemployment. We
:27:46. > :27:50.are seeing an attack on the poorest in society with government cuts at
:27:50. > :27:57.a time when tax avoidance from the riches just getting lip-service
:27:57. > :28:02.from ministers. You think this is about sharing the pain? I do not
:28:02. > :28:08.think the pain is being shared. It is the working class status
:28:08. > :28:12.suffering. So you do not think the cuts are excessive? I think that
:28:12. > :28:17.everyone who is concerned about the cuts and unemployment should be
:28:17. > :28:22.asking the question we are all asking, is this economic system
:28:22. > :28:28.working, do we need a different system? The Government's answer to
:28:28. > :28:34.that was to carry on with the same system. Are we too sentimental
:28:34. > :28:41.about the army? You have covered many of our campaigns. Bosnia, that
:28:41. > :28:44.was not a pretty sight. I feel that the problem is that the Ministry of
:28:44. > :28:51.Defence is one of the most spendthrift government departments
:28:51. > :28:56.ever. The procurement was through the roof, insane. And the
:28:56. > :29:04.politicians, soldiers do not decide to go to war. The politicians say,
:29:04. > :29:08.you are going to go to war. Tony Blair, I think, started four words
:29:08. > :29:14.which were not defending our territory, which is what the army
:29:14. > :29:19.is for. You send young men about to risk their lives because the
:29:19. > :29:26.politicians have decided and the Ministry of Defence has misspent
:29:26. > :29:32.its money. Lat Patrick answer that. The MoD is spending �300 million a
:29:32. > :29:37.year on its stockpiles of equipment. The budgets of the Ministry of
:29:37. > :29:41.Defence have been out of control for a long time. A few years ago,
:29:41. > :29:45.when British troops were fighting and dying in both Iraq and
:29:45. > :29:51.Afghanistan simultaneously, the Ministry of Defence decided to
:29:51. > :29:57.spend hundreds of millions of pounds refurbishing the curtains,
:29:57. > :30:03.carpets and chairs inside the Ministry of Defence. At the moment
:30:03. > :30:08.we have 102,000 men and women in the army. We can only do ply around
:30:08. > :30:16.about 9,000 fighting soldiers at any one time, yet we have five
:30:16. > :30:20.headquarters, massive headquarters, What's your view on the idea that
:30:20. > :30:24.perhaps with the cuts maybe the military would focus on taking care
:30:24. > :30:28.of remaining troops better if it's not wasting this money on other
:30:28. > :30:31.equipment and things and it has a smaller Army. I ought to make it
:30:31. > :30:38.clear that I'm not serving, I retired a few years ago, about five
:30:38. > :30:46.years ago now. But I am working in the defence arena. I think the
:30:46. > :30:50.short answer to your question is no. This is about taking a slight out
:30:50. > :30:53.of the combat power of defence across the piece. We are
:30:53. > :30:57.concentrating on the Army because of the announcements this week.
:30:57. > :31:00.This is about trying to hold the defence budget at a sensible level
:31:00. > :31:05.in the context of a Government trying to cut back on public
:31:05. > :31:08.spending overall. I don't like it much, if I'm honest, because of the
:31:08. > :31:14.background and baggage I carry from the past. I understand what we're
:31:14. > :31:17.trying to do here. The issue for me is about recognising the world is a
:31:17. > :31:22.dangerous place and that we may well be involved in other things in
:31:22. > :31:27.the not too distant future. Who's to say. What do you make of the
:31:27. > :31:31.argument of doubling the number of reservists? I think the doubling
:31:31. > :31:35.the reservists is not bad in principle. It's a timeline issue.
:31:35. > :31:38.It will take quite a long time to recruit and train and prepare the
:31:39. > :31:44.reservists to take up the capabilities that the regular Army
:31:44. > :31:49.is losing as a result of cuts. My own son is a territorial soldier
:31:49. > :31:52.and it's taken him the best part of five years, and he's actually
:31:52. > :31:56.deploying to Afghanistan next year. What's happening now is we're
:31:56. > :32:00.taking a large chunk, 20,000 regulars out and to replace them
:32:00. > :32:04.with TA means we have to double the TA from 15,000 to 30,000. That
:32:04. > :32:07.means we have to recruit to about 40,000. There's a big cultural
:32:07. > :32:11.issue here. A lot of employers are reluctant to have their people as
:32:11. > :32:14.members of the territorials. It's difficult to get them fully trained
:32:14. > :32:18.without putting a lot of resources in and giving them the
:32:18. > :32:23.opportunities to train, which means they're going to be away from work
:32:23. > :32:27.more often. So it's not easy to do. Thank you. Simon, here's the issue
:32:27. > :32:32.- they just put the burden onto different people and expect
:32:32. > :32:37.employers to foot the bill. Indeed. And there's fundamental questions
:32:37. > :32:40.here about what the armed forces are for. Why does Britain need what
:32:40. > :32:46.is effectively one of the biggest armies in the world? We might be
:32:46. > :32:49.going into Syria, you know... God we're not. I hope not. I think
:32:49. > :32:55.more arms and violence... You buy the argument we're not going to be
:32:55. > :32:58.involved in those campaigns again and they know it now? I'm not known
:32:58. > :33:04.for my sympathy with this Government's arguments. What we
:33:04. > :33:10.have seen is British troops, innocent young men and women, as
:33:10. > :33:14.Ann said, being sent, politicians' decisions into wars they weren't
:33:14. > :33:20.prepared for that the people in Britain don't support. The majority
:33:20. > :33:24.opposed Iraq. What do you make of that? I absolutely buy many of the
:33:24. > :33:29.arguments, and points that Simon is making. The fact remains that from
:33:29. > :33:35.any casual glance at history, after Waterloo, after the Crimea, after
:33:35. > :33:38.South African war etc, our forces are always cut. On the faulty
:33:38. > :33:43.premise from politicians and military people that conflict will
:33:43. > :33:47.never arise again in the same way or same shape. Yet we are at war,
:33:47. > :33:50.at the moment we're in a nasty, bloody war at moment and the
:33:50. > :33:56.Foreign Secretary... Which is failing. Jien deed. And the Foreign
:33:56. > :34:02.Secretary is talking is talking of further Military intervention in
:34:02. > :34:07.Libya. He should be locked up. That's the most stupid idea.
:34:07. > :34:13.There's all sorts of other parts of the MoD that we can save on. I want
:34:13. > :34:17.to bring in a parent, Elsie Manning, I think you're a uniform family,
:34:17. > :34:20.you describe yourselves as. You have a number of children who have
:34:20. > :34:23.been in the military. Your daughter was killed in Iraq, is that right?
:34:23. > :34:29.Yes, that's right. What's your feeling about the announcement of
:34:29. > :34:36.these cuts? I think it's immoral. These boys and girls sign on the
:34:36. > :34:41.dotted line to go and be in the Army, well in the forces and
:34:41. > :34:45.they're just being cut back and thrown on the dump really. What's
:34:45. > :34:48.going to happen to them when they all come out, 20,000 soldiers?
:34:48. > :34:53.Where are they going to put them? There's thousands on the streets
:34:53. > :34:58.now. They're out of work, homeless, what are they going to do with
:34:58. > :35:01.them? This is a real concern, that the military already, when people
:35:01. > :35:06.leave, they often can experience problems with employment.
:35:06. > :35:10.Absolutely. I have four prisons in my constituency, which I visit
:35:10. > :35:15.regularly and the proportion of ex- soldiers, sailors and airmen is
:35:15. > :35:19.distressing, deeply. This is a real social cost, why should you be
:35:19. > :35:25.happy about the cuts? I'm not happy. What I'm saying is that this is
:35:25. > :35:29.part of a wider picture of the Government presiding over
:35:29. > :35:35.increasing unemployment, slashing benefits, pricing working class
:35:35. > :35:39.people out of education. There's a massive human cost, including as
:35:39. > :35:42.Elsie says, people thrown out of the armed forced. We need to ask
:35:42. > :35:45.bigger questions about the nature of our economy, about the nature of
:35:45. > :35:50.defence and security. Patrick talks about conflict. The biggest threat
:35:50. > :35:53.to our security, in the broad sense, over coming years, is the threat of
:35:53. > :35:58.runaway climate change and what it will do. We're not going to defeat
:35:58. > :36:03.that... Let's not make it all so global. I mean, of course, we need
:36:03. > :36:08.a huge arm if we own half the world, which at one stage we did.
:36:08. > :36:12.thankfully we don't. We don't. I feel it's this whole thing about we
:36:12. > :36:16.have to punch above our weight, which both governments have gone
:36:16. > :36:22.into, you know, you must really... We're paying for a Trident
:36:22. > :36:25.replacement. Don't get me going on the nuclear deterrent please.
:36:25. > :36:28.Luckily the only defence I can mounts for that is that it doesn't
:36:29. > :36:36.come strictly from the defence budget. Let's not get into that
:36:36. > :36:41.debate. It is not a big Army. It's in the a big navy or Air Force.
:36:41. > :36:46.now. But we are still a great nation. In my view. We have got...
:36:46. > :36:50.How do you define great. We have to influence foreign affairs. We have
:36:50. > :36:53.a moral duty to those people upon whose lives we have affected.
:36:53. > :36:56.you worry lives will be put at risk if you have a lower number of
:36:57. > :36:59.fulltime troops and a greater reliance on reservists. I believe
:36:59. > :37:03.the military decision, not the Government's decision to make cuts,
:37:03. > :37:07.because I recognise they need to be made, not to this level, but that's
:37:07. > :37:11.a different arguection, the -- argument, the military decision to
:37:11. > :37:16.cut man power now, when we are facing all the threats, and that
:37:16. > :37:20.the armed forces are used not just for fighting, but also for the
:37:20. > :37:24.Olympic Games, this is a crass decision. Morally wrong? Morally
:37:25. > :37:28.wrong, I find it difficult to defend or understand. I want to end
:37:28. > :37:33.with contributions from viewers. The Government's prime
:37:33. > :37:36.responsibility is to protect people. Cutting the Army is counter to this.
:37:36. > :37:39.It's immoral. Why pump billions in defence if the
:37:39. > :37:43.country can't afford decent living conditions for the elderly,
:37:43. > :37:46.children and unemployed. Less troops means less wars we can
:37:46. > :37:51.get involved in. That means less people killed. That sounds all good
:37:51. > :37:56.to me. I would like to thank particularly Elsie Manning who lost
:37:56. > :38:00.her daughter in Iraq. Thank you. Later, have you ever thought about
:38:00. > :38:04.plastic surgery? Have you fancied botox or thought about a tummy
:38:04. > :38:07.tuck? If so, you're not alone. Increasing numbers of women and men
:38:07. > :38:17.are paying for cosmetic surgery every year. Is it wrong to change
:38:17. > :38:18.
:38:18. > :38:22.what nature has given you? Tell us Remember to keep voting in our poll
:38:22. > :38:32.question. The question is: Is the media stirring up hatred of
:38:32. > :38:35.
:38:35. > :38:43.There's five minutes before the polls close or vote online by
:38:43. > :38:46.visiting our website. It's time for our moral moments of
:38:46. > :38:51.the week. We find the stories that you've been thinking about.
:38:51. > :38:55.Actually I'm trying to remember who was going to talk first. Was it you,
:38:56. > :39:00.Simon? Church of England. That's right. It's voted to ban clergy
:39:00. > :39:10.from joining the BNP Indeed. It's voted to ban clergy from joining
:39:10. > :39:18.the BNP. They said racist and discriminatory parties. The BNP has
:39:18. > :39:22.changed their line and say they're not racist. This was almost
:39:22. > :39:28.unanimous. Most people will accept that Christianity is incompatible
:39:28. > :39:32.with racist, however, they talk about discriminatory parties. In a
:39:32. > :39:37.few days, we'll see them voting on whether to allow women bishops.
:39:37. > :39:42.Parts of the Church of England colluding with groups that refuse
:39:42. > :39:47.to condemn attacks, physical attacks on gay and bisexual pex.
:39:47. > :39:52.Yeah I support this -- people. Yeah I support this decision but they
:39:52. > :39:56.need to be living up to it in their own inclusivity, in their support
:39:56. > :40:00.for progressive courses and their attitudes to gender and sexuality
:40:00. > :40:07.as well as race. Of course, their treatment of disabled people in
:40:07. > :40:11.terms of access to their buildings. You assumed this would be Cannon
:40:11. > :40:16.law already. There is an issue of where the church positions itself
:40:16. > :40:21.in terms of social attitudes. brought up as Roman Catholic. I
:40:21. > :40:27.used to be called a child of Mary. We used to have little ceremonies.
:40:28. > :40:33.Luckily when I went to university I saw sense. The C of E seems so
:40:33. > :40:36.hopelessly what Marxists call prey to his own internal contradictions.
:40:36. > :40:41.It's incredible. One of the examples they give is well Jesus
:40:41. > :40:46.only had men as disciples. Of course in the context of the time,
:40:46. > :40:50.not too easy to have women. And also, most most of them were
:40:50. > :40:57.fishermen and he was a carpenter, why not insist that the only
:40:57. > :41:01.bishops could be... Working-class people. Fishermen. You have chosen
:41:01. > :41:07.a survey of employees which suggest that they like a sense of humour in
:41:07. > :41:11.their boss, over honesty aparentsly. The poll apparently says that a bit
:41:11. > :41:15.like the Office that the most important boss is someone that can
:41:15. > :41:19.mix in, entertain his employees and generally goof around with the
:41:19. > :41:23.people with whom he works. I find that bizarre. Who knows how big the
:41:23. > :41:28.sample size of the survey. It was in a national newspaper. Better
:41:28. > :41:32.than a boss who bullies you. I would say surely am successful
:41:32. > :41:38.blend of leadership is someone who can include a sense of humour.
:41:38. > :41:43.the military you wouldn't be Joshing, would you? Absolutely,
:41:43. > :41:47.completely and totally all the time. The one abiding thing that went on
:41:47. > :41:51.inside my battalion was laughter, above and beyond everything else
:41:51. > :41:56.and a complete informality despite the fact that people wore badges
:41:56. > :41:59.and rank and called each other Sir And saluted, yeah sort of. Off to
:41:59. > :42:04.one side, humour, humility and humanity are the most important
:42:04. > :42:09.words of leadership. Three words I imagine you never got in a Fleet
:42:09. > :42:14.Street editor in the old days. first news editor, who loathed
:42:14. > :42:24.women, loathed southerners, because this was Manchester, loathed people
:42:24. > :42:29.with la deda accents, hairy nukled thugs and he bullied unbearably and
:42:29. > :42:36.in fact, because he bullied me so much on my first day he said,
:42:36. > :42:40.you're keeping a good man out of a job, I thought right. He is
:42:40. > :42:46.actually responsible for the reason that I'm now a dame because I
:42:46. > :42:50.thought, right, I'm going to have Sweet Revenge. Did he have a sense
:42:50. > :42:57.of humour, of the kind that nobody likes, particularly not women - oh,
:42:57. > :43:01.yes. It must have been a very small sample. Nobody likes a bully. But
:43:01. > :43:08.the idea that you'd have to be terribly jolly. Now the thing is
:43:08. > :43:13.you're a jolly soldier, ex-soldier, but you knew there were lines that
:43:13. > :43:17.red lines you wouldn't go further than that. Because of the military
:43:18. > :43:21.structure. Yes, but put the military to one side, any
:43:22. > :43:26.organisation must run upon people being decent to each other and
:43:26. > :43:32.cooperating. And of course a sense of humour is fundamental to that.
:43:32. > :43:34.Whether you wear uniforms or have strict discipline, irrelevant.
:43:34. > :43:39.Successful leadership rests upon humour, above and beyond everything
:43:39. > :43:42.else, but of a practical kind. Thank you all for your moral
:43:42. > :43:48.moments. You have been voting in the poll this morning. Is the media
:43:48. > :43:52.stirring up hatred of Muslims. The poll is closing. Please don't text
:43:52. > :43:58.as your count won't count and you may be charged. We will bring you
:43:58. > :44:02.the result at the end of the show. Now MPs debated cosmetic surgery
:44:02. > :44:06.this week, after thousands of women discovered they'd been given
:44:06. > :44:10.substandard PIP breast implants. Is it worth risks of surgery just to
:44:10. > :44:15.improve your looks? Or does cosmetic surgery just feed our
:44:15. > :44:18.insecurities? When we look in the mirror most of
:44:18. > :44:24.us find something we'd like to change if we could, and for a price,
:44:24. > :44:28.increasing numbers of us are. gently close your eyes. How far is
:44:28. > :44:34.it acceptable to go? The odd bit of botox at a party? Buying your
:44:34. > :44:38.daughter a boob job? When does pride and appearance turn into pure
:44:38. > :44:41.vanity? Opponents say it's unnatural and sends out a message
:44:41. > :44:45.that looks should be valued above all else in society. They say that
:44:45. > :44:50.people should learn to love themselves the way they are and
:44:50. > :44:53.some cosmetic surgery carries major risks and much is unregulated. Only
:44:53. > :44:58.this week, the Government revealed it will cover the cost of any
:44:58. > :45:02.treatment needed by the 1500 women who've had the potentially faulty
:45:03. > :45:06.PIP breast implants. Many people who have cosmetic surgery say it's
:45:06. > :45:09.empowering and gives them confidence. They feel it's
:45:09. > :45:14.hypocritical that in a society obsessed with image and celebrity
:45:15. > :45:19.they should be judged for wanting to enhance the way they look. So
:45:19. > :45:29.does cosmetic surgery symbolise our vanity and is it damaging society?
:45:29. > :45:37.
:45:37. > :45:44.Or is a nip and tuck just a simple, We are joined for this discussion
:45:44. > :45:52.by Terry Prone, the offer of a book about the confessions of a plastic
:45:52. > :45:56.surgery at -- addict. You have also been very successful in your career
:45:57. > :46:03.as well. Tell me what made you decide to have all these
:46:03. > :46:09.procedures? How many have you had? I had a really spectacular car
:46:10. > :46:17.crash, 50 mph. The other car was so much bigger than mine, it reduced
:46:17. > :46:24.my car to 160 quid's worth of scrap metal. Everything was broken apart
:46:24. > :46:28.from my right arm. My face what crashed. The I was in a wheelchair,
:46:28. > :46:37.and afterwards, I saw my face in the mirror, and what looked back at
:46:37. > :46:41.me was not my face. It was lopsided, and it was scarred and damaged.
:46:41. > :46:49.Much later, I began to look at the possibility of restructuring my
:46:49. > :46:59.face. There was a modified facelift. And also, at brow lift to remove a
:46:59. > :46:59.
:46:59. > :47:03.scar on my forehead. But then I thought, this has spin-offs. The
:47:03. > :47:11.brow lift removed it the fact that my forehead looked like a ploughed
:47:11. > :47:16.field. I always thought that plastic surgery was something that
:47:16. > :47:21.pampered American women did to please their menfolk. But it is
:47:21. > :47:28.much like going to the dentist. You do not take pride in the fact that
:47:28. > :47:35.your teeth are rotting from age, you get them fixed. So when
:47:35. > :47:39.something started to bother me, I had Botox injections. So you did
:47:39. > :47:47.not feel the need to age gracefully? Plot is ageing
:47:47. > :47:50.gracefully? Leaning happily into wrinkles? In 20 years' time, you
:47:50. > :47:57.will not be complimented when someone comes up to you and says,
:47:57. > :48:04.Samira, you wrinkles are fantastic! It just does not happen. The thing
:48:04. > :48:09.about the Botox was, I thought, I will try this. And then the most
:48:09. > :48:14.magical thing happened, my recurring migraine headaches I had
:48:14. > :48:21.after the car crash went away. Cooney, plastic surgery with caviar
:48:21. > :48:26.at says a great thing. Her story is slightly different to most cases
:48:26. > :48:31.because of the car crash. There is a legitimate argument on moral
:48:31. > :48:36.grounds that you have plastic surgery. What worries me is that we
:48:36. > :48:41.live in a society that is over sexualised. We have padded bras
:48:41. > :48:46.from a very young age, and teenage magazines that talk about these
:48:46. > :48:51.things. Young people are choosing the path of plastic surgery and I
:48:51. > :49:00.think that is dangerous. As a Muslim, you should be grateful for
:49:00. > :49:06.your health and be happy with the way that God has created gear.
:49:06. > :49:10.not happy. I look like a Galapagos tortoise. You look like a woman of
:49:10. > :49:18.experience. That is a nice way of saying that I am covered in
:49:18. > :49:23.wrinkles. I have never consider plastic surgery because of my job.
:49:23. > :49:28.I was a foreign correspondent. Admittedly I did not lead a healthy
:49:28. > :49:32.life, smoking and drinking in between avoiding the mortar bombs,
:49:33. > :49:41.but when I thought about it, I realised that I would need to take
:49:41. > :49:47.a lot of time off work. What about Botox? I thought about it 10 years
:49:47. > :49:53.ago. But I found a responsible surgeon who it would not give me it.
:49:53. > :49:57.He knew I was a journalist, which may have made him nervous. I would
:49:57. > :50:01.rather my wrinkles were not there, but I find it really depressing
:50:01. > :50:08.that young women who do not need either Botox or any kind of
:50:08. > :50:11.facelift, and have not been in a car crash like you, they feel that
:50:11. > :50:17.unless they look like these airbrush creatures, they have no
:50:17. > :50:23.self-esteem. I want to take the argument that way because joining
:50:23. > :50:29.us on wet Cam we have someone from the London feminists Network. A lot
:50:29. > :50:33.of young women are interested in this. Is it not just like waxing or
:50:33. > :50:37.other painful beauty procedures women have done through history?
:50:37. > :50:42.Waxing is another completely unnecessary procedures so I would
:50:42. > :50:47.not use that as a benchmark. We have to recognise that what we are
:50:47. > :50:53.speaking about with cosmetic surgery is really serious surgical
:50:53. > :51:01.intervention in women's bodies. It encourages cutting the skin, and
:51:01. > :51:07.spilling blood. -- it involves. We are not talking about some sort of
:51:07. > :51:10.innocuous thing, it is a form of violence against women. We have to
:51:11. > :51:17.see who's profiting from making women feel so miserable about their
:51:17. > :51:22.bodies that they would consider this in the first place. There is a
:51:22. > :51:27.massive fashion, beauty and diet industry. The people profiting are
:51:27. > :51:35.the cosmetic surgery is charging three Grand for breast implants. We
:51:35. > :51:42.have to ask why is it that so many women, how many women was it?
:51:42. > :51:52.47,000 women in this country, who had at the breast implants from PIP
:51:52. > :51:55.
:51:55. > :52:02.industries. Why are women doing this in their thousands? For thank
:52:02. > :52:07.you. We have the chair man of it is emetic company joining us through a
:52:07. > :52:11.webcam as well. There is the challenge. People like you are
:52:11. > :52:17.making a lot of money out of encouraging women that there is
:52:17. > :52:23.something wrong with them? I do not think that is true. It is not just
:52:23. > :52:29.women, of course. Plenty of men have this treatment as well. People
:52:29. > :52:35.do it for themselves. But it is not a vanity thing, it is something
:52:35. > :52:42.that they feel will make their lives better. But it is violent and
:52:42. > :52:47.it carries risks and you make a lot of money from it? It is not violent.
:52:47. > :52:54.We make normal profit from it, this is a normal industry.
:52:54. > :53:00.It is slightly unfair to blame him. He is the end process. There are
:53:00. > :53:06.magazines and shops and society before you get to him. Males have
:53:06. > :53:14.got to have a six pack and have muscles and feel lean. Do you feel
:53:14. > :53:17.pressured? No, I keep as fit as I possibly can. But if you look at
:53:17. > :53:24.teenage magazines, I was reading one in a newsagents while waiting
:53:24. > :53:28.for a train. It is ridiculous at how we have sexualised our children.
:53:28. > :53:33.I think that is a contributing factor to cases of sexual violence
:53:33. > :53:40.against women. Is it getting more extreme with young women, that they
:53:40. > :53:44.do not just want a breast implant, but a massive one? There are two
:53:44. > :53:49.problems with cosmetic surgery at the moment, one is the lack of
:53:49. > :53:54.regulation. That is dangerous for everyone. The second thing is the
:53:54. > :53:59.lack of parental control because the notion that a teenager would be
:54:00. > :54:03.given abreast implant as a present by her mother is astonishing.
:54:03. > :54:09.Teenagers have not fully formed, and not just physically, but
:54:09. > :54:15.mentally, intellectually. The idea that a mother would say, you're not
:54:15. > :54:20.going to be perfect unless you have false breasts implanted is shocking.
:54:20. > :54:25.There is a difference between cosmetic surgery, and I deeply
:54:25. > :54:30.disagree with the standpoint of the other contributor, that it is
:54:30. > :54:36.violence against women. It is a chosen procedure and it is not
:54:36. > :54:40.violent. Clearly profit is made by cosmetics companies, but that is
:54:40. > :54:44.like saying, we should not take pharmaceutical preparations that
:54:44. > :54:51.will save our lives because the pharmaceutical companies make
:54:51. > :54:57.profits. The PIP scandal was kept secret from women after a long time
:54:57. > :55:04.after questions were raised? That was a completely criminal thing.
:55:04. > :55:09.That was terrible behaviour. It was also deceiving the regulators. The
:55:09. > :55:19.only thing I would say, and obviously aware enormous amounts of
:55:19. > :55:20.
:55:20. > :55:29.make-up, but the beauty industry is not a brand new thing. Everybody
:55:29. > :55:38.has said, at beautiful women has a greater chance in life. -- and
:55:38. > :55:43.beautiful woman. You are a success in your own right? I am hugely
:55:43. > :55:53.successful in my own right, and one of the areas I am successful in his
:55:53. > :55:53.
:55:53. > :55:57.writing books. I have written 27 books. So it is about confidence?
:55:57. > :56:04.It is about continuing to look like yourself, no more and no less.
:56:04. > :56:10.have to leave it there, but thank you. You're online opinion poll
:56:10. > :56:18.votes are in. We asked if the media is stirring up hatred of Muslims?
:56:18. > :56:24.37 % if you said yes, it is, and 63 % said no. What do you make of
:56:24. > :56:28.that? I do not think I have ever been on a programme where the
:56:28. > :56:32.opinion poll is on the side of Muslims. That is the challenge we
:56:32. > :56:39.have and we have got to visualise the crimes that have been committed
:56:39. > :56:45.against young Muslims across the country. The language that has been
:56:45. > :56:55.used by people like Ann Leslie is irresponsible. Been back, it is
:56:55. > :56:58.
:56:58. > :57:04.quite offensive to women. -- bin bag. For women who choose to wear
:57:04. > :57:07.their hijab to be described that way is offensive. I am questioning
:57:07. > :57:13.how much is free choice. I am not saying they're men are making them
:57:13. > :57:18.do it, but because they want to announce their religion, I do not
:57:18. > :57:24.like anyone announcing their religion. Do you think it is about
:57:24. > :57:28.integration and being part of British society? Yes. I found it
:57:28. > :57:34.upsetting to go to a Muslim primary school and see little girls in
:57:34. > :57:38.veils. They will grow up thinking they have to wear them. It is
:57:38. > :57:43.upsetting for young women who choose to wear the headscarf and
:57:43. > :57:47.your language, I think that is contributing to that atmosphere.
:57:47. > :57:52.With the utmost respect to you, you have got to be more responsible in
:57:52. > :57:58.the language that you choose. are issues, there are terrorism
:57:58. > :58:03.cases Butt that is not about wearing a particular garment.
:58:03. > :58:08.are many people in our society who are deeply offended to see young
:58:08. > :58:14.women going around with naked midriffs. We have to learn
:58:14. > :58:20.tolerance. Thank you to everyone who has taken part. Dame Ann Leslie,