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0:00:34 > 0:00:38- At the start of a new year, - we must look to the future...
0:00:38 > 0:00:40- ..and try to regain the ground - lost in 1996.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44- The developments here - at Carmarthen mart...
0:00:44 > 0:00:47- ..lay strong foundations - for the coming years.
0:00:48 > 0:00:52- At the conference in Oxford, farmers - are discussing the way forward...
0:00:53 > 0:00:54- ..to get the best out of 1997.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58- As the industry worries about - the future for young farmers...
0:00:59 > 0:01:01- ..we'll hear from a group - who went to Belgium...
0:01:02 > 0:01:05- ..to find out - what's happening on the Continent.
0:01:05 > 0:01:06- Welcome to Ffermio.
0:01:07 > 0:01:11- Happy new year - and welcome to Ffermio in 2017.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15- Before we embark on a new year - of agricultural stories...
0:01:15 > 0:01:18- ..we go for a trip down memory lane.
0:01:19 > 0:01:23- This programme is celebrating - its 20th birthday this year.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26- In this special programme...
0:01:26 > 0:01:31- ..we'll look back at some of the - agricultural headlines since 1997.
0:01:31 > 0:01:34- Sulwyn Thomas, Gerallt Pennant - and Rachael Garside...
0:01:35 > 0:01:37- ..were the first presenters.
0:01:37 > 0:01:41- On the first programme on Wednesday - night, 8 January, 20 years ago...
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- ..BSE was troubling farmers.
0:01:46 > 0:01:49- A year ago exactly, - Health Minister Stephen Dorrell...
0:01:50 > 0:01:54- ..gave a fateful statement to the - farming industry in Parliament...
0:01:54 > 0:01:55- ..about a possible link...
0:01:56 > 0:02:00- ..between the latest cases of - a new strain of CJD and eating beef.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04- The committee has concluded - that the most likely explanation...
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- I think we were the only - agricultural programme...
0:02:09 > 0:02:12- ..on the television - throughout the UK at that time.
0:02:12 > 0:02:15- That caused problems for some.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17- They didn't like...
0:02:17 > 0:02:22- ..that there were three presenters - without any farming experience.
0:02:22 > 0:02:27- It caused problems for one company.
0:02:27 > 0:02:32- They'd told people not to contribute - as we didn't know anything.
0:02:32 > 0:02:35- But they didn't know what we had.
0:02:35 > 0:02:38- We had consultants and experts.
0:02:38 > 0:02:40- We had a great team.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- But most of all, - we emphasized from the start...
0:02:44 > 0:02:47- ..that Ffermio - was a journalistic programme...
0:02:47 > 0:02:51- ..that would challenge people - involved in farming.
0:02:51 > 0:02:54- To do that, you needed journalists.
0:02:55 > 0:02:57- BSE was under control at last.
0:02:57 > 0:03:02- It was at its worst in 1992, - with almost 4,000 cases in Wales.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05- That figure - went down to 600 last year.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08- This year so far, - there have only been seven cases.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- The most important thing for us - on Ffermio from the start...
0:03:13 > 0:03:15- ..is that we reflect - Welsh farmers' views...
0:03:15 > 0:03:18- ..and we focus - on the events and subjects...
0:03:18 > 0:03:21- ..that matter to agriculture - and the countryside.
0:03:22 > 0:03:25- People certainly had their say - on Ffermio's Forum.
0:03:27 > 0:03:31- Welcome to a special edition - of Ffermio - Ffermio's Forum.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34- We're at Theatr Felinfach.
0:03:34 > 0:03:38- Behind me are 200 farmers - and people involved in farming.
0:03:38 > 0:03:42- In front of them, - Bob Parry, president of the FUW...
0:03:43 > 0:03:45- ..Elinor Keatley from Milk Marque...
0:03:45 > 0:03:48- ..Meuric Rees, - president of the RWAS...
0:03:48 > 0:03:51- ..and John Lloyd Jones, - president of NFU Cymru.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55- For a forum, you need questions.
0:04:03 > 0:04:09- We'll start in Ceredigion with - Lloyd Jones from Llanddewi Brefi.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12- He has the first question.
0:04:13 > 0:04:14- Good evening.
0:04:14 > 0:04:19- The age of rural farmers - goes up every year.
0:04:19 > 0:04:22- Why then can't we take advantage...
0:04:22 > 0:04:25- ..of money offered - through the European Community...
0:04:25 > 0:04:29- ..to farmers - who want to take early retirement?
0:04:29 > 0:04:33- I'm about to retire. - Maybe I should have retired already.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- My mind is starting to go - and a computer is needed these days.
0:04:38 > 0:04:40- It will be hard - to leave the old home.
0:04:40 > 0:04:43- It's important - that young farmers especially...
0:04:44 > 0:04:48- ..get the opportunity to see how - farming is done in other countries.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51- Gerallt got the opportunity - in the very first programme...
0:04:52 > 0:04:55- ..to join a group of young farmers - on a trip to Belgium.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00- It was very interesting - going to Brussels.
0:05:00 > 0:05:03- We mentioned - the history of Brussels...
0:05:03 > 0:05:07- ..but we did that through the eyes - of the young farmers.
0:05:08 > 0:05:12- It's interesting to look back - at those enthusiastic faces.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- They're still involved - in the industry...
0:05:15 > 0:05:18- ..people like Derek Rees - and John Davies.
0:05:18 > 0:05:23- They were starting their careers - in agricultural politics.
0:05:23 > 0:05:26- At the time, - Euros Jones from Llangernyw...
0:05:26 > 0:05:29- ..was working for the NFU - in Brussels.
0:05:29 > 0:05:33- People pronounced his name - more like the currency!
0:05:33 > 0:05:35- He knew on which doors to knock.
0:05:35 > 0:05:39- More importantly, - he knew which doors to open...
0:05:39 > 0:05:43- ..so these people could see how - the organization worked in Europe.
0:05:43 > 0:05:47- It's significant - that the story has changed...
0:05:47 > 0:05:51- ..and that Europe again - is very prominent in farmers' minds.
0:05:51 > 0:05:56- The farmer has a quota of 400,000 - litres and milks 60 cattle.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- A personal look at the situation - for European farmers...
0:06:00 > 0:06:03- ..is an eye-opener - for the Welsh farmers...
0:06:03 > 0:06:05- ..and raises important questions.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08- The first item I did for Ffermio...
0:06:09 > 0:06:13- ..was about scanning rams - at Gelli Aur college near Llandeilo.
0:06:13 > 0:06:19- Before I started on Ffermio, - I'd never been on a farm...
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- ..not to mention - being anywhere near a ram.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25- I was a journalist from Cardiff.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28- I turned up in brand-new wellies.
0:06:28 > 0:06:32- A farmer asked me where I came from. - I told him I came from Cardiff.
0:06:32 > 0:06:36- "There aren't many rams in Cardiff," - was his reply.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39- He'd seen through me - but I learned so much.
0:06:39 > 0:06:43- I read the Farmers Weekly - and the Farmers Guardian.
0:06:43 > 0:06:47- Gradually, - I got to know the subject well.
0:06:47 > 0:06:51- For three years - in Gelli Aur near Llandeilo...
0:06:51 > 0:06:56- ..the college has implemented the - strategy using Welsh Mountain rams.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59- There are 150 over the winter - here this year.
0:07:00 > 0:07:01- What strikes me...
0:07:01 > 0:07:05- ..is how many agricultural stories - 20 years ago...
0:07:05 > 0:07:08- ..were at the front - of the news agenda.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10- Various protests...
0:07:10 > 0:07:16- ..and things like British beef being - banned throughout Europe after BSE.
0:07:17 > 0:07:20- However, now, - the same problems persist...
0:07:20 > 0:07:25- ..but they're not given the - same attention and I don't know why.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27- The world feels like it's changed.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32- The end of the 1990s - saw many protests.
0:07:33 > 0:07:36- Farmers were angered - by many government decisions.
0:07:37 > 0:07:42- A quarter of a million went to - London in support of rural rights.
0:07:43 > 0:07:46- As things became heated - during the protests...
0:07:46 > 0:07:51- ..one man came to the fore as the - leader and a voice for common sense.
0:07:54 > 0:07:59- Brynle Williams became known - to most of us in 2000...
0:08:00 > 0:08:04- ..when he led the protest in Stanlow - against the rise in fuel prices.
0:08:04 > 0:08:07- But he'd been protesting - before then.
0:08:07 > 0:08:10- He was a part of the campaign - in Liverpool 40 years ago...
0:08:11 > 0:08:14- ..to try and secure better prices - for farmers for their meat.
0:08:15 > 0:08:19- In 1997, he protested in Holyhead.
0:08:19 > 0:08:22- They come this way, right? - Do you all agree?
0:08:22 > 0:08:24- Right.
0:08:24 > 0:08:27- Five o'clock in the morning, - we're gone.
0:08:28 > 0:08:32- All lorries will be held over there - until five o'clock tomorrow morning.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36- It was three in the morning.
0:08:38 > 0:08:41- I'm not sure how I got in.
0:08:42 > 0:08:46- I remember a policeman - put a hand on my shoulder.
0:08:46 > 0:08:48- "Come with us," he said.
0:08:49 > 0:08:51- We went into the port office.
0:08:53 > 0:08:58- The next thing, I was standing - next to Inspector Gerry Jones.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01- I remember that Gerry Jones - was the Inspector's name.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05- I heard on the radio - that farmers had entered the port.
0:09:06 > 0:09:07- "Go," he said.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11- There was a man - from Stena, I think...
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- ..who denied - that any meat was being imported.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18- When I went into the port, - there were three lorries.
0:09:18 > 0:09:20- One had Silver Burger on its side.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24- It would scare anyone...
0:09:25 > 0:09:29- ..seeing 2,000 farmers - shouting and making noise.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35- He couldn't get to the ferry.
0:09:36 > 0:09:40- It took eight or nine minutes - to remove the meat.
0:09:40 > 0:09:42- The farmers were delighted.
0:09:43 > 0:09:45- The meat was thrown into the sea.
0:09:47 > 0:09:51- I remember going on the Tuesday - to Cheshunt in Hertfordshire...
0:09:52 > 0:09:54- ..to Tesco's head office.
0:09:54 > 0:09:58- Terry Leahy - denied it was their meat.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03- I chucked a box on the table. - I think I still have that box.
0:10:03 > 0:10:08- I told him I'd taken the box - from his lorry on Sunday night.
0:10:11 > 0:10:13- But it wasn't these protests...
0:10:13 > 0:10:17- ..that made the press and - politicians take notice of Brynle.
0:10:18 > 0:10:19- That happened 11 years ago.
0:10:20 > 0:10:24- He'd had enough with - the steep increase in fuel prices.
0:10:24 > 0:10:25- He decided to act.
0:10:26 > 0:10:32- After a stormy meeting, he led - protesters to Stanlow oil refinery.
0:10:32 > 0:10:37- They prevented lorries from entering - or leaving for almost a week.
0:10:37 > 0:10:41- Over the past seven years, I've...
0:10:42 > 0:10:44- My heart...
0:10:45 > 0:10:49- There's something special - about representing people.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53- Talking to people whose voice...
0:10:53 > 0:10:55- My mouth is a lot bigger!
0:10:56 > 0:10:58- You know...
0:10:58 > 0:11:05- ..helping someone - is an honour and a privilege.
0:11:05 > 0:11:06- A big honour.
0:11:07 > 0:11:12- Anyone can stand there ranting, - swearing and being loud.
0:11:14 > 0:11:18- But you have a duty when you stand - in front of 2,000 men.
0:11:18 > 0:11:22- It's no use saying, - "Righto, boys, let's go!"
0:11:24 > 0:11:28- You have to think it through - and think why you're there.
0:11:28 > 0:11:30- What do you want to achieve?
0:11:31 > 0:11:34- What do you expect to get out of it?
0:11:34 > 0:11:35- Not you personally.
0:11:35 > 0:11:38- That's what I saw with the fuel.
0:11:38 > 0:11:41- That's what I saw with the beef.
0:11:41 > 0:11:46- It affected my family, - my neighbours and my rural area.
0:11:47 > 0:11:50- If people - want to call that politics...
0:11:51 > 0:11:53- ..then I'm very proud - to be a part of it.
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0:12:20 > 0:12:22- At the end of the 1990s...
0:12:22 > 0:12:26- ..the Welsh Assembly was responsible - for Welsh agriculture.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29- It's not a question - of how I've handled it...
0:12:29 > 0:12:32- ..it's how the situation - has evolved.
0:12:32 > 0:12:36- Christine Gwyther was - the first Agriculture Secretary.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39- Before long, - Carwyn Jones was appointed.
0:12:40 > 0:12:42- That was in the year 2000.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- He went on to study law - at Aberystwyth University.
0:12:46 > 0:12:49- There, he was chairman - of the Labour Club.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52- That sealed an interest - in politics...
0:12:52 > 0:12:56- ..that was started by - the miners' strike in the 1980s.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59- After working as a barrister - in Cardiff and Swansea...
0:13:00 > 0:13:05- ..he became a full-time politician - taking the Assembly's Bridgend seat.
0:13:05 > 0:13:09- He was named Agriculture Secretary - on the eve of the Royal Welsh Show.
0:13:09 > 0:13:13- That was after a period on the - assembly's agriculture committee.
0:13:13 > 0:13:17- At the start, - I read a lot about farming.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21- I had to learn a lot - about all the European schemes.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23- I did that.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- By now, I hope I understand - what is going on.
0:13:28 > 0:13:33- Things can change very quickly - in agriculture.
0:13:33 > 0:13:37- The other thing I do - is read the farming press...
0:13:37 > 0:13:40- ..to keep up - with what the industry thinks.
0:13:41 > 0:13:45- Within six months, Carwyn Jones - would face a huge challenge...
0:13:46 > 0:13:48- ..as Minister for Rural Affairs...
0:13:48 > 0:13:53- ..in one of the darkest periods - for agriculture across the UK.
0:13:55 > 0:13:59- First tonight, the news that - a case of Foot & Mouth disease...
0:13:59 > 0:14:02- ..has been discovered - in Essex, England.
0:14:02 > 0:14:05- David Thomas, the Veterinary Manager - of West Wales...
0:14:05 > 0:14:09- ..for the Agriculture Department - explains more.
0:14:09 > 0:14:12- At the moment, we know the disease - has hit two places in Essex.
0:14:13 > 0:14:17- The first was in an abattoir and - the second in the farm next to it.
0:14:18 > 0:14:20- Without doubt, - the most turbulent time...
0:14:20 > 0:14:24- ..and most interesting - for us as a team...
0:14:24 > 0:14:28- ..was the terrible period - of the Foot & Mouth outbreak.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- We weren't allowed - to even visit farms.
0:14:33 > 0:14:35- We were confined to a studio.
0:14:35 > 0:14:39- That was an unfamiliar experience - for some of us.
0:14:39 > 0:14:43- We were used to wandering and - a little frightened of a studio.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46- It was going to be twice a week - for a long period.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48- I enjoyed it in the end.
0:14:48 > 0:14:53- One of the most important things - about that was that we'd grown...
0:14:53 > 0:14:57- ..to be a programme that provided - a full service to farmers.
0:14:57 > 0:15:00- We gave out advice and information.
0:15:00 > 0:15:05- We were also very fortunate that the - Agriculture Minister spoke Welsh...
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- ..as were the heads of the unions.
0:15:09 > 0:15:12- The Chief Veterinary Officer - also spoke Welsh.
0:15:12 > 0:15:15- These weren't secondary sources.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18- We got information - from the absolute source.
0:15:18 > 0:15:22- We could keep people informed.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26- MAFF's Chief Veterinary Officer, - Jim Scudamore...
0:15:26 > 0:15:30- ..has said the current outbreak - is worse than the one in the 1960s.
0:15:30 > 0:15:33- What is your opinion on how - the disease is being treated?
0:15:33 > 0:15:36- Give us a ring on 01558 823 828.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40- We have a panel of special guests - joining us in the studio.
0:15:40 > 0:15:44- Gerallt is in Tafarn Y Rhos, - Rhostrehwfa on Anglesey.
0:15:45 > 0:15:48- Hearing the words Foot & Mouth - is scary enough.
0:15:48 > 0:15:51- I was in Scotland - and rushed back to Wales.
0:15:51 > 0:15:53- The production team - had to find a way...
0:15:54 > 0:15:56- ..to describe the spread - of the disease.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00- We had to do that without risking - the spread of the disease.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05- Anglesey was one of the first Welsh - counties to suffer a diagnosis.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08- I remember broadcasting - from North Wales...
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- ..with Menai Bridge - in the background.
0:16:11 > 0:16:13- We tried to collect some experts.
0:16:13 > 0:16:15- People were desperate - for information.
0:16:16 > 0:16:20- Vets, farmers, obviously and experts - who could spread the news.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23- The news was very sad - to have to relay and listen to.
0:16:23 > 0:16:25- We had to be responsible.
0:16:25 > 0:16:29- If there was even a suggestion - we were spreading the disease...
0:16:30 > 0:16:31- ..by visiting all of Wales...
0:16:31 > 0:16:35- ..that would be very poor - for an agricultural programme.
0:16:41 > 0:16:44- Unfortunately, this was - the strongest form of the virus.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46- Type O, named Pan-Asian.
0:16:47 > 0:16:50- In no time at all, it threatened - every corner of the country.
0:16:58 > 0:17:01- Two days after discovering - the first case...
0:17:01 > 0:17:03- ..Agriculture Minister Nick Brown...
0:17:03 > 0:17:06- ..announced a ban - on moving any livestock.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09- All the markets closed instantly.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12- Agriculture was in crisis.
0:17:15 > 0:17:18- By 25 February, - fallen stock was being burned...
0:17:19 > 0:17:22- ..with thousands more - waiting to be culled.
0:17:23 > 0:17:28- Government gave local authorities - the right to close public footpaths.
0:17:28 > 0:17:32- Soon after that, - the countryside was all shut down.
0:17:33 > 0:17:37- I have to say, - the Foot & Mouth outbreak...
0:17:37 > 0:17:40- ..back in 2001 lives in my memory.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43- It was a very busy period, - obviously.
0:17:43 > 0:17:47- I think that's the biggest challenge - I've had in my career.
0:17:47 > 0:17:52- As a journalist, it's important - to be neutral and dispassionate.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- You shouldn't get too close - to a subject.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58- It was almost impossible - during that period.
0:17:58 > 0:18:02- I remember interviewing a farmer - during a live programme.
0:18:02 > 0:18:03- It was a phone interview.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- He was explaining - how the animals were killed.
0:18:06 > 0:18:10- The farmer was crying - and I could feel myself welling up.
0:18:10 > 0:18:14- I remember being glad that - I wasn't on camera at that point.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17- On 27 February...
0:18:17 > 0:18:21- ..the first case was confirmed - at an abattoir in Anglesey.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24- 3,000 sheep were culled there.
0:18:28 > 0:18:29- The virus spread quickly.
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- The following day, - two new cases came to light.
0:18:34 > 0:18:35- This time, they were in Powys.
0:18:36 > 0:18:39- Farmers called on the government - to extend the cull...
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- ..to include animals - suspected of having the disease...
0:18:43 > 0:18:46- ..and animals on farms - bordering infected farms.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50- As the situation worsened, everyone - was looking for someone to blame.
0:18:51 > 0:18:53- The Assembly - was an obvious target...
0:18:53 > 0:18:57- ..particularly the minister - responsible for rural affairs.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01- The Assembly - doesn't have responsibility...
0:19:01 > 0:19:03- ..for a disease like this one.
0:19:03 > 0:19:07- This is currently the responsibility - of DEFRA in England and Wales.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11- SVS have been speaking - to the local authorities...
0:19:11 > 0:19:13- ..about moving the plan forward.
0:19:13 > 0:19:17- People meet with Assembly staff - every day and then expect...
0:19:17 > 0:19:21- ..that the Assembly and the minister - would have legal power.
0:19:21 > 0:19:26- Having said that, my opinions - were taken into account by DEFRA.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30- There was very little disagreement - between both sides.
0:19:31 > 0:19:34- It was important to go around Wales - and speak to farmers.
0:19:34 > 0:19:38- I've been to Anglesey, Powys - and the grazers on the Beacons.
0:19:39 > 0:19:41- That's very important.
0:19:42 > 0:19:43- The agricultural unions...
0:19:44 > 0:19:48- ..had been in the midst - of the crisis since the start.
0:19:48 > 0:19:52- They had the task of influencing - government policy at every level.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56- We had quite an influence...
0:19:56 > 0:19:59- ..from February - up until the election in June.
0:20:00 > 0:20:02- Since then, none at all.
0:20:02 > 0:20:08- But at the end of March - up until the start of May...
0:20:08 > 0:20:12- ..when they postponed the election.
0:20:13 > 0:20:17- I was in with the Prime Minister - nine times in a three-week period.
0:20:17 > 0:20:20- That was an experience - to begin with.
0:20:20 > 0:20:25- That's how close - to the heart of government I was.
0:20:26 > 0:20:29- On the Ministry of Defence's land - at Sennybridge...
0:20:30 > 0:20:33- ..work began on digging a huge hole - for 200,000 bodies.
0:20:33 > 0:20:35- Due to the size of the hole...
0:20:35 > 0:20:40- ..it was clear bodies from other - areas would be brought to the Epynt.
0:20:40 > 0:20:42- Local people were furious.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47- In the first instance, - the local people were frightened.
0:20:47 > 0:20:50- They were frightened - of catching the disease.
0:20:51 > 0:20:57- We counted up the number of farmers - who have boundaries with the Epynt.
0:20:57 > 0:21:02- We'd counted up - about 500 young farmers...
0:21:02 > 0:21:06- ..who made a living from the Epynt.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09- That was all going to go.
0:21:16 > 0:21:19- On 10 April, another blow landed.
0:21:19 > 0:21:23- Following cases near Llanelwedd, - the Royal Welsh Show was cancelled.
0:21:24 > 0:21:27- The news was a big disappointment - for farmers.
0:21:28 > 0:21:30- It was also a disaster for tourism.
0:21:31 > 0:21:35- The Royal Welsh Show and Showground - bring in 30 million a year...
0:21:36 > 0:21:37- ..for the local economy.
0:21:38 > 0:21:42- The local businesses suffered - from the losses for years to come.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48- It wasn't just rural businesses - that suffered.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- The capital city suffered too...
0:21:51 > 0:21:54- ..after 6 Nations rugby matches - were postponed.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57- Cardiff lost millions of pounds.
0:22:03 > 0:22:07- The Urdd organization - suffered due to the virus.
0:22:07 > 0:22:11- That was during one of - their busiest periods of the year.
0:22:12 > 0:22:16- Another thing I remember following - the Foot & Mouth outbreak...
0:22:16 > 0:22:17- ..as television crews...
0:22:17 > 0:22:21- ..we had to be totally conscientious - about bio security.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24- We always had special wellingtons - in the car.
0:22:24 > 0:22:27- We had buckets - and a huge bottle of disinfectant.
0:22:27 > 0:22:29- We were incredibly careful.
0:22:29 > 0:22:31- Had we not been, - it could be a disaster.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- In addition to the reporting...
0:22:33 > 0:22:36- ..we came face to face - with people in crisis.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38- We had to remember that.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42- People were looking into the abyss.
0:22:42 > 0:22:46- There was a threat - to their livelihood.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49- It was quite a sobering thing - to witness.
0:22:50 > 0:22:54- After two uncertain months, farmers - were under a lot of pressure.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57- Leaving the industry - was the answer for some.
0:22:57 > 0:23:01- The compensation - was a help to take that step.
0:23:01 > 0:23:05- Many farmers were fed up - with working long hours...
0:23:05 > 0:23:08- ..with no holidays - only to face an uncertain future.
0:23:08 > 0:23:11- A survey in the Farmers Weekly...
0:23:11 > 0:23:14- ..showed that 40% of farmers - considered giving up...
0:23:15 > 0:23:17- ..or at the very least cutting back.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21- Stress was the main factor - behind their decision.
0:23:22 > 0:23:23- It was teamwork.
0:23:23 > 0:23:27- As the programme's team, - we were living through it.
0:23:28 > 0:23:30- We were broadcasting live - twice a week.
0:23:30 > 0:23:34- We got a sense of it from hearing - these heart-wrenching stories...
0:23:34 > 0:23:38- ..every day about what - was happening in the countryside.
0:23:39 > 0:23:42- By the end, it felt like - we were offering a service...
0:23:42 > 0:23:46- ..for people who were going through - this terrible thing at that time.
0:23:46 > 0:23:49- The phones were ringing - all through the programme.
0:23:49 > 0:23:53- The crew would answer the phones - and still be talking...
0:23:53 > 0:23:56- ..long after the programme - had finished.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58- People needed to talk.
0:23:58 > 0:24:02- At the time, - we could offer them an ear.
0:24:03 > 0:24:06- The final cases of the disease - in Wales...
0:24:06 > 0:24:08- ..came on 9 August in Brecon...
0:24:09 > 0:24:11- ..and three days later - in Crickhowell.
0:24:11 > 0:24:15- During the crisis, - there were 118 cases in Wales.
0:24:17 > 0:24:21- After eight years - presenting Ffermio...
0:24:21 > 0:24:26- ..Sulwyn, Rachael and Gerallt's - period came to an end in 2004.
0:24:26 > 0:24:31- I have to say - that I had a lot of fun on Ffermio.
0:24:31 > 0:24:36- I met so many characters, - here in Wales and abroad.
0:24:36 > 0:24:38- I got so many opportunities.
0:24:38 > 0:24:44- I can be totally honest and say - presenting Ffermio changed my life.
0:24:44 > 0:24:46- I haven't regretted it at all.
0:24:46 > 0:24:49- It was an honour and a pleasure.
0:24:49 > 0:24:52- The wellies are a bit dirtier - by now.
0:24:54 > 0:24:58- For their last item - in their last programme in 2004...
0:24:58 > 0:25:03- ..Sulwyn and Gerallt travelled - to London for the Smithfield Show.
0:25:04 > 0:25:11- Strangely, what I remember most - from my eight years with Ffermio...
0:25:11 > 0:25:16- ..was the final programme we made - as a team of presenters at the time.
0:25:16 > 0:25:20- It was at the Smithfield, - what was the last Smithfield Show.
0:25:20 > 0:25:22- I remember two things.
0:25:22 > 0:25:25- An Irishman coming up to me - and damning me...
0:25:25 > 0:25:27- ..and telling me this and that.
0:25:28 > 0:25:30- I thought, - "There's something wrong here."
0:25:30 > 0:25:33- That Irishman - watched Ffermio every week...
0:25:33 > 0:25:37- ..and something had gone wrong - with the subtitles.
0:25:37 > 0:25:39- He was furious!
0:25:39 > 0:25:41- But he proved a point.
0:25:42 > 0:25:45- Ffermio had an audience - beyond Wales.
0:25:45 > 0:25:47- It was acceptable beyond Wales.
0:25:48 > 0:25:50- It was an important service.
0:25:50 > 0:25:52- The other thing I remember...
0:25:52 > 0:25:56- ..at the last Smithfield - was that there was some drama.
0:25:57 > 0:26:00- Who had gone and bought - the best bullock in the show?
0:26:01 > 0:26:03- Wil Williams from Machynlleth.
0:26:03 > 0:26:05- He was a real character.
0:26:05 > 0:26:08- We had some real fun at the time.
0:26:08 > 0:26:14- That eased the fact that it was our - last programme as a presenting team.
0:26:15 > 0:26:16- Are you glad that you came down?
0:26:16 > 0:26:18- Are you glad that you came down?- - You have to come down.
0:26:18 > 0:26:20- It's his birthday in a week.
0:26:20 > 0:26:22- We've got him a birthday present.
0:26:23 > 0:26:25- What can you buy a man - that's got everything?
0:26:26 > 0:26:28- Merry Christmas.
0:26:28 > 0:26:31- Season of goodwill - and here they are - Wil and Wil!
0:26:34 > 0:26:38- Hammer's up. Any more? 3,000. - We sell away at 3,000.
0:26:39 > 0:26:41- That's it from the Smithfield.
0:26:41 > 0:26:45- It's also it for this series. - Ffermio will be back in February.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47- There will be - a new team of presenters.
0:26:47 > 0:26:49- Before we say goodbye...
0:26:49 > 0:26:53- ..we have to thank you - for your company over the years.
0:26:53 > 0:26:54- On a personal note...
0:26:54 > 0:26:58- ..thank you for the warm welcome - we've had from so many of you.
0:26:59 > 0:27:01- I'd like to second those sentiments.
0:27:01 > 0:27:04- All we have left to do - on behalf of the team...
0:27:04 > 0:27:07- ..is wish you all a merry Christmas - and a happy new year.
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0:27:40 > 0:27:44- A new series, new faces. - Ffermio is back with a new service.
0:27:44 > 0:27:45- This is Welshpool mart.
0:27:46 > 0:27:50- Like all marts, it's a place to meet - and to chat for rural people.
0:27:50 > 0:27:52- On Ffermio, - we'll be showing and analysing...
0:27:53 > 0:27:56- ..what's happening - in farming and the countryside...
0:27:56 > 0:27:59- ..and offering - a more comprehensive service.
0:27:59 > 0:28:00- At the start of 2005...
0:28:01 > 0:28:05- ..Alun, Iola Wyn, Mererid Wigley and - myself started presenting Ffermio.
0:28:05 > 0:28:08- The first item I did - was about fishing.
0:28:08 > 0:28:11- I cast using Nica Prichard's rod.
0:28:12 > 0:28:14- Half of it - disappeared into the River Nevern!
0:28:15 > 0:28:16- But things have improved since then.
0:28:16 > 0:28:17- But things have improved since then.- - A little!
0:28:18 > 0:28:22- One thing's for sure, the weather - is a challenge for many farmers.
0:28:22 > 0:28:25- It was a subject for Iola Wyn - in 2010.
0:28:26 > 0:28:31- It's been a difficult period - across Wales because of the snow.
0:28:32 > 0:28:34- People haven't been able - to go to work.
0:28:34 > 0:28:38- Schools, minor roads - and even shops have been shut.
0:28:38 > 0:28:42- But whatever the weather, - farm work must continue.
0:28:54 > 0:28:58- It looks pretty, but the snow - brings another challenge...
0:28:58 > 0:29:01- ..to those - who work daily on the farm.
0:29:01 > 0:29:06- With minor roads not being gritted, - many farms have been closed off.
0:29:06 > 0:29:09- Vehicles haven't been able - to enter or leave.
0:29:10 > 0:29:14- It's a problem for farmers - who need feed for their animals...
0:29:14 > 0:29:16- ..or who require vets.
0:29:16 > 0:29:20- No-one is more dependent on the - roads being open than dairy farmers.
0:29:20 > 0:29:24- Arwyn Bowen had no choice - but to dispose of his milk...
0:29:24 > 0:29:28- ..when the milk tanker failed - to reach his Treto Uchaf Farm...
0:29:28 > 0:29:30- ..near Carmarthen over the new year.
0:29:31 > 0:29:33- The tanker failed to arrive twice.
0:29:33 > 0:29:36- We've had to throw that milk away.
0:29:36 > 0:29:41- It's not a good feeling to see - the milk go down the slurry pit.
0:29:42 > 0:29:45- Especially when, - like I heard yesterday...
0:29:45 > 0:29:48- ..farmers need to produce - more food cheaply.
0:29:48 > 0:29:51- It doesn't make sense - to get rid of the milk.
0:29:51 > 0:29:55- There should be a way these days - of taking the milk.
0:29:55 > 0:29:58- Ffermio - is firmly rooted in rural Wales.
0:29:58 > 0:30:02- But, sometimes, you have to travel - to follow a story.
0:30:02 > 0:30:06- When Meat Promotion Wales - went to market Welsh lamb...
0:30:06 > 0:30:10- ..in the Middle East, - Mererid went too.
0:30:11 > 0:30:13- Hello and welcome to Ffermio.
0:30:13 > 0:30:16- I'm the other side of the world - in Dubai...
0:30:16 > 0:30:19- ..one of the most important - trade centres in the Middle East.
0:30:20 > 0:30:23- It's also becoming - increasingly important to Wales.
0:30:24 > 0:30:27- Dubai is one of the seven states...
0:30:27 > 0:30:29- ..that make up - the United Arab Emirates.
0:30:30 > 0:30:34- They were created when Britain - withdrew from the Gulf in 1971.
0:30:34 > 0:30:38- Its long, sandy beaches and - numerous shops are world renowned.
0:30:38 > 0:30:43- Of its million inhabitants, - three quarters of them are expats.
0:30:51 > 0:30:53- The Gulfood Exhibition...
0:30:53 > 0:30:57- ..is one of the world's most - important food and drink festivals.
0:30:57 > 0:30:59- It's held every two years...
0:30:59 > 0:31:03- ..and offers the best access to - the Middle East's huge food market.
0:31:04 > 0:31:08- With over 30,000 visitors - from 150 different countries...
0:31:08 > 0:31:10- ..this festival has huge potential.
0:31:10 > 0:31:14- Over 2,200 companies - from 70 countries...
0:31:14 > 0:31:18- ..are exhibiting their produce - at this year's Gulfood.
0:31:18 > 0:31:21- Many of the countries - are new to the festival...
0:31:22 > 0:31:25- ..each one wanting - to take advantage of the market.
0:31:25 > 0:31:27- Wales has made sure - it doesn't miss out.
0:31:28 > 0:31:30- Meat Promotion Wales - has already succeeded...
0:31:30 > 0:31:33- ..in introducing Welsh lamb - to this market...
0:31:33 > 0:31:36- ..and considers it - an important exhibition.
0:31:36 > 0:31:38- We're lucky on Ffermio.
0:31:38 > 0:31:42- We get to meet interesting - characters all year round...
0:31:42 > 0:31:45- ..as well as seeing - some beautiful scenery.
0:31:45 > 0:31:48- In the next item, - there's a bit of both.
0:31:50 > 0:31:54- It's four miles from Porth Meudwy - to the gully on Bardsey Island.
0:31:55 > 0:31:59- Today, it's wilder than usual. - The wind is coming from the north.
0:32:00 > 0:32:02- The sea's salty taste is good.
0:32:08 > 0:32:11- There are eight people - living on the island.
0:32:11 > 0:32:14- In the summer months, - Colin and Gareth are neighbours...
0:32:15 > 0:32:18- ..away from the world's problems.
0:32:19 > 0:32:25- To a great degree, you are both - dependent on each other.
0:32:25 > 0:32:27- You have to work together.
0:32:28 > 0:32:29- It works very well.
0:32:29 > 0:32:34- Everyone has to work together - in the countryside, to a degree.
0:32:34 > 0:32:35- Maybe more so here...
0:32:36 > 0:32:40- ..since the sea impedes - the movement of people and machines.
0:32:40 > 0:32:43- It makes things more complicated.
0:32:44 > 0:32:50- You must both be a special breed - to live on the island.
0:32:51 > 0:32:54- It helps - to have a good sense of humour!
0:32:56 > 0:33:02- Both of us must have a sentiment - for the place. That must help.
0:33:02 > 0:33:07- We have a desire to be here - - to be a part of the place.
0:33:07 > 0:33:11- That helps the situation.
0:33:12 > 0:33:15- We don't have to be here, - but we want to be here.
0:33:26 > 0:33:30- One story that's remained - since Ffermio started...
0:33:30 > 0:33:31- ..is tuberculosis, TB.
0:33:32 > 0:33:34- The disease - has spread in recent years...
0:33:34 > 0:33:37- ..especially - in some areas in the south...
0:33:37 > 0:33:41- ..which has led to the culling - of thousands of cattle...
0:33:41 > 0:33:44- ..and distress - for farmers and their families.
0:33:44 > 0:33:48- But back in 2003, when Sulwyn - interviewed Carwyn Jones...
0:33:48 > 0:33:52- ..he believed the situation - could be dealt with fairly swiftly.
0:33:52 > 0:33:54- The situation is frightening.
0:33:54 > 0:33:57- There are 50 affected farms - in Powys...
0:33:57 > 0:34:01- ..not to mention Carmarthenshire, - Pembrokeshire and other areas.
0:34:01 > 0:34:03- The way to deal with that...
0:34:03 > 0:34:06- ..is to arrange with SVS vets, - as we have done...
0:34:07 > 0:34:09- ..to ramp up on the testing.
0:34:09 > 0:34:14- We hope this will be quashed - in a month or two.
0:34:14 > 0:34:18- When Elin Jones took the reins - as Minister for Rural Affairs...
0:34:18 > 0:34:20- ..there was hope for farmers...
0:34:21 > 0:34:24- ..that there would be a badger cull - in some areas.
0:34:25 > 0:34:29- Did it take you a year to choose - north Pembrokeshire as the site?
0:34:29 > 0:34:31- It wasn't a shock - that this area was chosen.
0:34:32 > 0:34:36- This wasn't the only decision - I had to make.
0:34:36 > 0:34:41- The area, the method - and who would undertake the work...
0:34:41 > 0:34:45- ..were all decisions - I had to make.
0:34:45 > 0:34:48- I'm sure - that many of your viewers...
0:34:48 > 0:34:52- ..think they could have made - those decisions sat on their sofas.
0:34:52 > 0:34:54- A year is a long time.
0:34:54 > 0:34:57- Yes, - but I had to commission research...
0:34:58 > 0:35:04- ..that gave me the scientific basis - to make a firm decision...
0:35:04 > 0:35:07- ..and the ability - to defend my decision...
0:35:08 > 0:35:11- ..in the face - of opposition in the Assembly...
0:35:11 > 0:35:14- ..and potentially in a court case.
0:35:14 > 0:35:18- However, despite all the hope, - there was a change of government...
0:35:19 > 0:35:21- ..and with that, - another new minister.
0:35:21 > 0:35:27- Elin Jones left and John Griffiths - was appointed to do her work.
0:35:30 > 0:35:32- After a long consultation process...
0:35:33 > 0:35:37- ..the government has decided - not to continue the badger cull...
0:35:37 > 0:35:40- ..in the pilot area - in north Pembrokeshire.
0:35:41 > 0:35:44- Instead, they'll embark on - a five-year vaccination programme...
0:35:45 > 0:35:47- ..to begin in the next few months.
0:35:47 > 0:35:50- The legal obstacles - to the culling scheme...
0:35:50 > 0:35:53- ..were an important consideration - according to the minister.
0:35:54 > 0:35:56- Those legal hurdles are still there.
0:35:56 > 0:36:00- We've had the science review - which shows levels of uncertainty...
0:36:00 > 0:36:03- ..in terms - of any course of action.
0:36:03 > 0:36:07- We have to balance against - the expected benefit of a cull...
0:36:07 > 0:36:11- ..the likely benefits - from badger vaccination.
0:36:11 > 0:36:15- Despite all the discussion at the - Assembly, not much had changed...
0:36:15 > 0:36:19- ..when I visited Gethin Havard - in the Sennybridge are.
0:36:19 > 0:36:22- The latest plans - by John Griffiths AM...
0:36:22 > 0:36:26- ..didn't fill him with much hope - for a quick solution.
0:36:27 > 0:36:30- At the start of the year, - Gethin Havard and his family...
0:36:31 > 0:36:33- ..received news - that no farmer wants to hear.
0:36:33 > 0:36:37- Eleven of their cattle - were infected with tuberculosis.
0:36:37 > 0:36:40- Since then, the farm, - like many others across Wales...
0:36:40 > 0:36:44- ..has been banned - from selling and moving stock.
0:36:44 > 0:36:47- It has been a very difficult - experience for them.
0:36:48 > 0:36:51- If we can't eradicate this disease - in the coming months...
0:36:51 > 0:36:54- ..we may have to change - the system...
0:36:54 > 0:36:58- ..and go from selling suckler calves - to fattening cattle.
0:36:58 > 0:37:01- We don't have the hay - or the buildings, so we can't do it.
0:37:01 > 0:37:05- We might - have to get rid of all our cattle.
0:37:05 > 0:37:08- That's what I worry about - more than anything.
0:37:08 > 0:37:11- I hope the cattle don't disappear - before the disease does.
0:37:12 > 0:37:13- That's quite a statement.
0:37:13 > 0:37:14- That's quite a statement.- - Yes, it's very serious.
0:37:15 > 0:37:17- We've heard all the stories.
0:37:17 > 0:37:21- I have to say, our spirits - were raised a few years ago...
0:37:21 > 0:37:23- ..when Elin Jones announced...
0:37:23 > 0:37:26- ..that something would be done - about bovine TB...
0:37:27 > 0:37:30- ..and that badgers would be culled - in areas of West Wales.
0:37:31 > 0:37:35- An announcement has recently - been made by John Griffiths AM...
0:37:35 > 0:37:37- ..about vaccinating badgers.
0:37:38 > 0:37:40- Does that give you any hope - for the future?
0:37:40 > 0:37:43- We're disappointed - but not surprised.
0:37:44 > 0:37:46- This is the Labour Party, after all.
0:37:47 > 0:37:51- We had some experience with them - during the Foot & Mouth outbreak.
0:37:51 > 0:37:54- We're still - paying the price today...
0:37:54 > 0:37:57- ..for the way - they failed to respond then.
0:37:58 > 0:38:00- It looks like the same thing - will happen with TB.
0:38:01 > 0:38:05- Money is being spent - but we're not getting anywhere.
0:38:08 > 0:38:11- Is that a confirmed reactor, Neil?
0:38:11 > 0:38:14- It's close, it's only just, - but it is a reactor.
0:38:14 > 0:38:17- She was clear the last time - and the time before that.
0:38:18 > 0:38:20- They've been in the sheds - all winter...
0:38:21 > 0:38:24- ..so I don't know what's happened.
0:38:24 > 0:38:25- There was a pattern.
0:38:25 > 0:38:28- I could understand - exactly where it had come from.
0:38:29 > 0:38:32- I'm not sure what's happened now. - This is terrible news.
0:38:34 > 0:38:36- The bull is OK, thank goodness.
0:38:37 > 0:38:39- The future - is very bleak at the moment.
0:38:39 > 0:38:43- I hope someone in Cardiff - is re-evaluating the situation...
0:38:44 > 0:38:46- ..and realizing what's going on...
0:38:46 > 0:38:49- ..or there's no hope - for these young kids.
0:38:49 > 0:38:53- I hope they never have - to put up with the nonsense...
0:38:54 > 0:38:58- ..that we're faced with, if they get - an opportunity to keep cattle.
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0:39:14 > 0:39:18- At the start of 2011, - Ffermio got a new team member.
0:39:19 > 0:39:22- Maesteilo is a 450 acre farm.
0:39:22 > 0:39:25- I live here with my parents - and brother, Eirian.
0:39:26 > 0:39:29- We keep around 150 cattle - and 800 sheep.
0:39:30 > 0:39:33- We have a variety - of other creatures...
0:39:34 > 0:39:38- ..including horses, goats, pigs, - donkeys and all kinds of poultry.
0:39:39 > 0:39:41- At the start of 2012...
0:39:41 > 0:39:44- ..my brother went - to shear sheep in New Zealand.
0:39:45 > 0:39:47- A great experience for him.
0:39:47 > 0:39:50- As a result, the rest of the family - had more work.
0:39:51 > 0:39:54- In addition to the variety - of sheep on the farm...
0:39:54 > 0:39:56- ..I have my own flock - of Balwen sheep.
0:39:57 > 0:40:00- Over the year, I'm hoping - to exhibit them at shows...
0:40:00 > 0:40:03- ..and sell a few - at the autumn sales.
0:40:05 > 0:40:10- My journey on Ffermio started - as a runner and then a researcher.
0:40:10 > 0:40:13- I directed a little and produced.
0:40:13 > 0:40:16- The highlight for me, - without a doubt...
0:40:16 > 0:40:19- ..was joining the presentation team.
0:40:19 > 0:40:21- It was my favourite programme - as a child.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24- It's been great to have a chance...
0:40:24 > 0:40:26- ..to meet characters - all over the country...
0:40:27 > 0:40:29- ..and learning something - at every new place.
0:40:29 > 0:40:34- I remember that first item - as clear as a bell.
0:40:34 > 0:40:37- An item with Wyn Davies - at Dinefwr Park.
0:40:37 > 0:40:40- He was so good - because I was so nervous.
0:40:40 > 0:40:44- I then had Emrys Lewis, - the sheep scanner.
0:40:44 > 0:40:49- I'll never forget the lamb with two - legs. Two legs and two shoulders.
0:40:50 > 0:40:54- And then an opportunity - to present a diary from my home.
0:40:54 > 0:40:57- We got to show what - was going on in Maesteilo...
0:40:57 > 0:40:59- ..and the variety of animals there.
0:40:59 > 0:41:03- That included my mother's favourite - animals, George and Mildred.
0:41:06 > 0:41:08- I've got an important job to do.
0:41:09 > 0:41:12- I have to tame - Mam's Christmas present.
0:41:12 > 0:41:16- I'm going to need quite a lot - of strength to complete this task!
0:41:21 > 0:41:22- Off we go!
0:41:31 > 0:41:34- Despite being small, - they're quite a handful!
0:41:34 > 0:41:37- They're lovely animals, - but very stubborn.
0:41:38 > 0:41:42- Something to raise a smile - after quite a difficult day.
0:41:49 > 0:41:53- We cover deep and serious subjects - on Ffermio.
0:41:53 > 0:41:55- We also get a chance to laugh.
0:41:55 > 0:41:58- Humour is always important - in the countryside.
0:41:58 > 0:42:00- Here's what happened...
0:42:00 > 0:42:04- ..when Alun went to search - for the farmer's best friend.
0:42:05 > 0:42:11- The plain truth is, if your feet - are wet and cold on a farm...
0:42:11 > 0:42:15- ..life just isn't worth living.
0:42:15 > 0:42:18- Wellingtons!
0:42:18 > 0:42:23- You may have your own name for them, - but whatever it is...
0:42:23 > 0:42:29- ..these waterproof objects - are a farmer's best friend.
0:42:49 > 0:42:53- A farmer puts on his wellies first, - then his pants!
0:42:53 > 0:42:55- I've worn them for 60 years.
0:42:56 > 0:42:58- Wellies are more important - than pants!
0:43:11 > 0:43:15- It's the last Thursday of the month. - Llanybydder mart is buzzing.
0:43:15 > 0:43:19- This place is full of horses - and colourful characters.
0:43:19 > 0:43:24- All this is great material - for this gentleman.
0:43:35 > 0:43:37- Are you drawing anything special?
0:43:38 > 0:43:40- I've done quite a few.
0:43:40 > 0:43:42- Some of these people are here now.
0:43:43 > 0:43:46- It shows them - talking about their business.
0:43:46 > 0:43:48- You can see them - discussing the horses.
0:43:48 > 0:43:53- I used to come here as a child - with my father.
0:43:54 > 0:43:58- I've come occasionally since then.
0:43:58 > 0:44:00- I've been coming here - for sixty years.
0:44:01 > 0:44:07- I've never seen any agricultural - machines in your drawings.
0:44:07 > 0:44:10- You always draw people and animals.
0:44:10 > 0:44:12- Yes, that's right.
0:44:12 > 0:44:16- I wouldn't even cross the road - to look at a tractor.
0:44:17 > 0:44:20- I'd be willing to walk a few miles - to look at a horse.
0:44:21 > 0:44:24- Why are you so fond of horses?
0:44:24 > 0:44:28- Because of the way - I was brought up on the farm.
0:44:28 > 0:44:30- My father had a great interest - in horses.
0:44:30 > 0:44:33- He liked Cobs and mountain ponies.
0:44:33 > 0:44:36- It goes back a few generations.
0:44:37 > 0:44:41- The dog and the horse - are my favourites.
0:44:41 > 0:44:43- A working dog, that is.
0:44:44 > 0:44:47- Yes, the dogs - in which I take most interest...
0:44:47 > 0:44:50- ..are those in sheepdog trials.
0:44:51 > 0:44:57- I have many friends who have - specialized in sheepdog trials.
0:45:04 > 0:45:06- You're in your element.
0:45:06 > 0:45:09- Without a doubt. - It gives me great pleasure.
0:45:09 > 0:45:11- Does drawing ever feel like a chore?
0:45:12 > 0:45:15- Do you feel - that you have to paint every day?
0:45:16 > 0:45:21- There's a phrase in English - - "the driving force".
0:45:21 > 0:45:24- I can tell you - there is such a thing.
0:45:24 > 0:45:25- It may sound odd...
0:45:26 > 0:45:30- ..but I almost feel guilty - if I go a day without drawing.
0:45:31 > 0:45:35- It's not because I feel I'm making - a contribution to mankind.
0:45:35 > 0:45:39- It's something I do for myself.
0:45:39 > 0:45:44- I'd go as far as saying it's the - purpose of my existence these days.
0:45:59 > 0:46:03- I used to go to fairs - to see the horses when I was young.
0:46:03 > 0:46:07- We'd see a dozen different - characters at the fair.
0:46:07 > 0:46:12- They were a picture - ready to be framed.
0:46:12 > 0:46:15- There aren't many characters - around any more.
0:46:16 > 0:46:19- Country people, - people of the land.
0:46:19 > 0:46:21- They've grown from the land.
0:46:21 > 0:46:25- Their posture makes you think - they've almost turned into trees.
0:46:25 > 0:46:27- They've all grown in one place.
0:46:30 > 0:46:33- We've celebrated - 20 years of Ffermio.
0:46:34 > 0:46:38- We hope you've enjoyed the journey - over some of the highlights...
0:46:38 > 0:46:39- ..of the last 20 years.
0:46:41 > 0:46:46- Indeed. The new series of Ffermio - will begin on 16 January.
0:46:46 > 0:46:48- We hope to have your company then.
0:46:49 > 0:46:53- Before we go, we have - to thank all who have given us...
0:46:53 > 0:46:57- ..such a warm welcome - over the last 20 years.
0:46:57 > 0:47:01- Thanks too for joining us here - on Ffermio every Monday night.
0:47:01 > 0:47:04- We really appreciate your support.
0:47:05 > 0:47:09- That's it, all we have to do - is wish you all a happy new year.
0:47:10 > 0:47:11- Indeed.
0:47:11 > 0:47:12- Indeed.- - Happy new year!
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0:47:38 > 0:47:41- # Ai dyma dy gartref?
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