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0:00:06 > 0:00:10- Hello and a warm welcome to Ffermio.
0:00:10 > 0:00:11- In this programme...
0:00:11 > 0:00:15- ..we look at the future structure - of agriculture...
0:00:16 > 0:00:21- ..politically, with regards to - young people and environmentally.
0:00:29 > 0:00:33- Brexit is something - that will affect people of all ages.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36- We talk to some - leading industry figures.
0:00:36 > 0:00:41- One story from Cardiff and another - from London does create problems.
0:00:41 > 0:00:45- What Theresa May has said - scares me a little.
0:00:45 > 0:00:48- It's essential that we have - a free market with no tariffs.
0:00:49 > 0:00:51- Alun is in the Brecon Beacons...
0:00:51 > 0:00:54- ..to see how farmers - and the National Park work together.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57- Someone has to take care - of the countryside.
0:00:58 > 0:01:03- I think we can show that we've - accomplished some very good work.
0:01:09 > 0:01:14- The YFC's contribution - to rural communities is important.
0:01:14 > 0:01:18- Every year, - the best members are given awards.
0:01:19 > 0:01:23- Daloni meets this year's - Wales YFC Senior Member.
0:01:28 > 0:01:32- Dafydd Jones lives at Caerberllan - in Llanfihangel-y-Pennant.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34- He works on the farm - with brother Tudor...
0:01:35 > 0:01:37- ..and parents Robert and Ceinwen.
0:01:37 > 0:01:40- With 1,200 Welsh Mountain Sheep...
0:01:40 > 0:01:44- ..as well as a herd of Welsh Black - and Aberdeen Angus cattle...
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- ..there's plenty of work here - to keep him busy.
0:01:48 > 0:01:52- Is the weather always as wonderful - as this, Dafydd?
0:01:52 > 0:01:53- If only it were!
0:01:54 > 0:01:57- Although Caerberllan - is an upland farm...
0:01:57 > 0:02:00- ..there's a huge amount - of lovely flat land.
0:02:00 > 0:02:06- Yes, it's a unique valley. - We're really lucky on this farm.
0:02:06 > 0:02:10- There's not much soil here - - only a few inches.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13- As well as the farming, - you've had a busy year.
0:02:14 > 0:02:18- It has been busier than usual, - there's no doubt about that.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21- I've been a YFC member - since I was 13...
0:02:21 > 0:02:24- ..but this year - has been a unique year.
0:02:24 > 0:02:28- As the Wales YFC Senior Member...
0:02:28 > 0:02:31- ..what have you been doing - during the last year?
0:02:32 > 0:02:35- It has been an enormous privilege.
0:02:36 > 0:02:41- The title also allowed me to sit - on the Wales management committee.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44- It has been quite an eye-opener...
0:02:44 > 0:02:48- ..to learn more about - how the movement works from within.
0:02:48 > 0:02:53- Many members don't realize how much - work goes on behind the scenes.
0:02:53 > 0:02:57- Do you have a job - within your local club and area?
0:02:57 > 0:02:59- This is the Bryncrug club area.
0:02:59 > 0:03:03- I was chairman last year, - but I haven't got a job this year.
0:03:03 > 0:03:06- I'm currently deputy chair - of Meirionnydd YFC...
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- ..and deputy chair of the - Wales YFC rural affairs committee.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16- Although the YFC - takes much of his time...
0:03:16 > 0:03:20- ..Dafydd earns his crust - here on the farm.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22- He loves handling the stock.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- Do you only have Welsh sheep - at Caerberllan?
0:03:27 > 0:03:28- Yes, only Welsh sheep.
0:03:29 > 0:03:30- I keep a few Lleyn sheep.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34- They're in among these - and are treated the same way.
0:03:34 > 0:03:36- And you have 1,200 of them?
0:03:36 > 0:03:39- Yes. The count works for us.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43- We've run the same system - for a number of years.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46- The ewe lambs go onto the mountain.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50- We've never gone into Tir Gofal - or cut flock numbers.
0:03:50 > 0:03:51- We keep it steady.
0:03:51 > 0:03:53- We keep it steady.- - Which ram will you put with these?
0:03:53 > 0:03:56- These have had a Welsh ram.
0:03:56 > 0:03:59- This year, for the first time...
0:03:59 > 0:04:02- ..we've experimented - with Aberfield rams.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06- It's been a challenge - to sell Welsh ram lambs of late.
0:04:06 > 0:04:11- We're experimenting to see whether - there's a better market for a cross.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15- How do you see things going - with the Welsh Mountain sheep?
0:04:15 > 0:04:18- It's a good sheep, - and it lives cheaply.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20- That's very important to me.
0:04:20 > 0:04:26- I can't stand sheep - that need a lot of attention.
0:04:27 > 0:04:32- But we find it difficult - to sell the ram lambs...
0:04:32 > 0:04:37- ..so we're experimenting - to get a balance of other breeds.
0:04:40 > 0:04:43- It's scanning day - at Caerberllan today...
0:04:43 > 0:04:45- ..and things are auguring well.
0:04:49 > 0:04:50- You're busy, Dafydd.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52- You're busy, Dafydd.- - Plenty to do!
0:04:52 > 0:04:54- Do you want to get through - the 1,200 today?
0:04:55 > 0:04:56- Yes, if we can.
0:04:56 > 0:04:58- Yes, if we can.- - Who's doing the scanning?
0:04:58 > 0:05:00- Mr Emrys Lewis is scanning for us.
0:05:00 > 0:05:01- Mr Emrys Lewis is scanning for us.- - He's an expert!
0:05:01 > 0:05:02- He's very good.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05- How are they scanning today?
0:05:05 > 0:05:07- How are they scanning today?- - Very well, so far.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12- So, a red mark for two lambs.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- Yes, and nothing for a single.
0:05:15 > 0:05:17- And we don't want barren ones.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19- And we don't want barren ones.- - I haven't seen many yet.
0:05:20 > 0:05:20- I don't want to see triplets either.
0:05:20 > 0:05:22- I don't want to see triplets either.- - You don't want to see them.
0:05:23 > 0:05:24- Will these all lamb outside?
0:05:24 > 0:05:26- Will these all lamb outside?- - Yes, all outside.
0:05:26 > 0:05:29- When will you start lambing, Dafydd?
0:05:29 > 0:05:33- The crossbreds start on 15 March, - those that have had a Texel ram.
0:05:33 > 0:05:38- The Welsh sheep, who've had - a Welsh ram, will be a week later.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41- How many crossbreds do you have?
0:05:41 > 0:05:44- About 300 Welsh sheep - go to a crossbred ram.
0:05:46 > 0:05:48- They produce good lambs - for the market.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52- When those lambs are ready, - to which market will they go?
0:05:53 > 0:05:55- We try different ones...
0:05:55 > 0:05:59- ..both the live market - and the slaughterhouse market.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01- They look great, Dafydd.
0:06:01 > 0:06:02- They look great, Dafydd.- - They're alright.
0:06:02 > 0:06:03- Alright?
0:06:03 > 0:06:04- Alright?- - Yes.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08- They look good.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18- There have been Welsh Blacks - at Caerberllan for many a year.
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- These days, the Aberdeen Angus - keep them company.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25- All the cattle are in now, Dafydd.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28- All the cattle are in now, Dafydd.- - Yes, since the start of December.
0:06:28 > 0:06:32- With the weather we've had, - they're lucky to be where they are.
0:06:32 > 0:06:36- All the cattle - are black in colour, at least.
0:06:36 > 0:06:41- Yes, we've tried a lot - of different breeds over the years.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46- But recently, since 2011, - we've gone into the Aberdeen Angus.
0:06:46 > 0:06:49- It's proving to be - a good cow so far.
0:06:49 > 0:06:54- How many Welsh Blacks - and how many Aberdeens do you have?
0:06:54 > 0:06:56- We cross back and forth a bit.
0:06:56 > 0:07:01- Personally, I think the best cow - you'll get is a cross.
0:07:01 > 0:07:06- It's always going to be better - than any pedigree cow you could buy.
0:07:06 > 0:07:11- Regarding the calves, how old - will they be when they're sold?
0:07:12 > 0:07:16- Recently, we've been aiming - for 16 months.
0:07:17 > 0:07:18- About that, really.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22- But looking at the way - the market's going...
0:07:22 > 0:07:24- ..younger will be the way to go.
0:07:24 > 0:07:29- Ten-month-old calves, even eight, - have been selling so well...
0:07:29 > 0:07:31- ..there's no point keeping them.
0:07:31 > 0:07:35- There are costs - with TB testing and so on...
0:07:35 > 0:07:37- ..so we may as well - get rid of them earlier.
0:07:40 > 0:07:44- You appear to be - a happy young farmer, Dafydd.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47- I'm very lucky - to have been born here.
0:07:48 > 0:07:52- You take it for granted, - living here every day.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56- The YFC has played - a big part in my life.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59- I'm very lucky - that Bryncrug is my local club.
0:08:00 > 0:08:02- We get on well - and have a lot of fun...
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- ..which is very important - in this industry.
0:08:06 > 0:08:10- It's a lonely industry at times, - especially in Meirionnydd.
0:08:10 > 0:08:13- It's almost - the most rural part of Wales.
0:08:13 > 0:08:18- It's important that young people - get together and enjoy themselves.
0:08:20 > 0:08:25- Six months after the UK decided - to leave the European Union...
0:08:25 > 0:08:30- ..the Prime Minister, Theresa May, - has outlined her objectives...
0:08:30 > 0:08:34- ..on how she sees the country - moving forwards in the future.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36- The big question is...
0:08:36 > 0:08:39- ..what effect will this have - on Welsh agriculture?
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- At this year's annual - FUW breakfast in Cardiff Bay...
0:08:44 > 0:08:48- ..what was the reaction - to Theresa May's announcement...
0:08:48 > 0:08:52- ..that the UK - is leaving the Single Market?
0:08:52 > 0:08:56- What did they make of Carwyn Jones - and Leanne Wood's White Paper...
0:08:56 > 0:08:58- ..on their priorities for Wales?
0:08:58 > 0:09:01- The biggest problem - is the uncertainty.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04- What we need is leadership.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07- One story from Cardiff - and another from London...
0:09:07 > 0:09:09- ..does create problems for us.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13- The Single Market - is so important to Wales.
0:09:13 > 0:09:18- One third of our lambs - from our flocks go to Europe.
0:09:18 > 0:09:22- The worst-case scenario - of going with the WTO...
0:09:22 > 0:09:28- ..is that we'll have to pay - a 40-60% tariff on our lambs.
0:09:28 > 0:09:32- It might be 80% on our beef.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35- We can't live with that.
0:09:39 > 0:09:43- I've heard the First Minister, - Carwyn Jones, say recently...
0:09:44 > 0:09:47- ..that agriculture - is important to Wales.
0:09:47 > 0:09:50- What Theresa May has said - scares me a little.
0:09:51 > 0:09:53- If we can't sell into Europe...
0:09:54 > 0:09:59- ..we have to look at how we can - sustain the Welsh rural economy.
0:10:00 > 0:10:05- It might come from other sources, - but it won't happen overnight.
0:10:05 > 0:10:09- There is a cliff edge looming - two years from Article 50.
0:10:09 > 0:10:14- It's important that we have time - to go from one place to another.
0:10:16 > 0:10:20- It's essential that we have - a free market with no tariffs.
0:10:20 > 0:10:25- If we don't get it, we must look - at the reality of the situation.
0:10:25 > 0:10:30- 90% of exported agricultural - products go to Europe.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34- It's easy enough to say it...
0:10:34 > 0:10:38- ..and I do welcome trade - with any country...
0:10:38 > 0:10:43- ..but if you look at it, - 500 million people live in Europe.
0:10:43 > 0:10:47- That compares to 4.5 million - living in New Zealand.
0:10:47 > 0:10:53- New Zealand represents - just 1% of the European population.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56- We have to look at it - in that context.
0:10:59 > 0:11:04- Euryn Jones is Regional - Agriculture Director with HSBC.
0:11:05 > 0:11:11- How much of an impact has Brexit - had on Welsh agriculture up to now?
0:11:11 > 0:11:17- Market prices strengthened - over the second half of last year.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21- That's especially true - of the milk market.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24- Milk prices - have been very low for two years.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27- Those markets have strengthened.
0:11:27 > 0:11:29- For beef and lamb products...
0:11:29 > 0:11:33- ..the markets have benefitted - from a weaker pound.
0:11:33 > 0:11:36- It makes our exports - more competitive...
0:11:36 > 0:11:39- ..and imports - a little more expensive.
0:11:39 > 0:11:43- The Single Payment has also been - larger than in recent years.
0:11:43 > 0:11:48- A year ago, Huw Davies - of Trefaes Fawr, Newcastle Emlyn...
0:11:48 > 0:11:50- ..held an open day on his farm...
0:11:50 > 0:11:55- ..to highlight the wider importance - of agriculture to rural Wales.
0:11:55 > 0:11:59- What were his impressions of what - the Prime Minister had to say?
0:11:59 > 0:12:02- What would be the best deal for you?
0:12:03 > 0:12:07- Personally, I'd like to keep - the deal that we have now.
0:12:08 > 0:12:11- If we know what we have, - we can keep going.
0:12:11 > 0:12:15- I would be happy if we found - new markets for our produce...
0:12:15 > 0:12:18- ..in addition to what we have now.
0:12:18 > 0:12:21- But the worry is - that Theresa May said...
0:12:22 > 0:12:25- .."Out of Europe - means out of the Single Market".
0:12:26 > 0:12:27- It's easy to come out...
0:12:27 > 0:12:31- ..but she hasn't said what other - markets will take our products.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34- That is a big worry.
0:12:34 > 0:12:37- I'm not happy - to lose what we have now.
0:12:37 > 0:12:39- Do you think that agriculture...
0:12:39 > 0:12:43- ..is getting a fair hearing - in the Brexit negotiations?
0:12:43 > 0:12:45- No, not at all.
0:12:45 > 0:12:49- There's plenty of talk - and plenty of promises...
0:12:49 > 0:12:52- ..but I'm worried - about the end result.
0:12:53 > 0:12:58- I don't believe they think - that we are very important...
0:12:58 > 0:13:01- ..in the grand scheme of things.
0:13:02 > 0:13:05- I'm not sure they take enough notice - of rural affairs.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08- It's a huge worry.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11- You can't change things - within a year.
0:13:11 > 0:13:15- It takes time - to change from one market...
0:13:16 > 0:13:19- ..to one with other countries.
0:13:19 > 0:13:25- We know how long it has taken - to get our beef into America.
0:13:28 > 0:13:32- We asked one expert - whether there are answers.
0:13:32 > 0:13:37- Wyn Morris is a lecturer - at Aberystwyth University.
0:13:39 > 0:13:43- When we lost that market during - the Foot and Mouth outbreak...
0:13:43 > 0:13:46- ..we saw the effect - it had on the industry.
0:13:47 > 0:13:49- In the short term...
0:13:49 > 0:13:54- ..I foresee a lack of investment - in the industry.
0:13:54 > 0:13:58- The opening of new markets - will be a slow process.
0:13:59 > 0:14:02- The big question is, - what will all this cost?
0:14:03 > 0:14:04- When we make treaties...
0:14:05 > 0:14:08- ..it will favour some industries - and not others.
0:14:08 > 0:14:14- As we look to the future, - what can Welsh farmers expect?
0:14:14 > 0:14:16- We have to be positive.
0:14:16 > 0:14:17- We have great produce.
0:14:18 > 0:14:20- The industry has to work together...
0:14:21 > 0:14:24- ..and farmers - need to look at production costs.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- Our produce - is recognized across the world.
0:14:27 > 0:14:32- That produce - can demand higher prices.
0:14:32 > 0:14:34- We have to make it work.
0:14:34 > 0:14:38- As far as farms are concerned, - we have to look at resources.
0:14:39 > 0:14:43- Maybe we should look more - towards tourism...
0:14:43 > 0:14:47- ..environmental projects - and diversification...
0:14:47 > 0:14:51- ..in order for us - to work efficiently...
0:14:51 > 0:14:56- ..and so that the resources - are used to their full potential.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03- That's all for part one, - but after the break...
0:15:03 > 0:15:08- ..Alun finds out how farmers - are working with a National Park.
0:15:08 > 0:15:10- We'll see you in a few minutes.
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0:15:21 > 0:15:22- Welcome back.
0:15:22 > 0:15:28- A scheme to protect common land in - the Brecon Beacons National Park...
0:15:28 > 0:15:33- ..has come to fruition - after co-operation between partners.
0:15:33 > 0:15:38- Alun went to see how much of - a difference this scheme has made.
0:15:48 > 0:15:52- Centuries of agriculture have - created the special landscape here.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57- In order to protect these fragile - habitats for future generations...
0:15:57 > 0:16:00- ..a unique partnership - has been established...
0:16:00 > 0:16:04- ..between the Brecon Beacons - National Park Authority...
0:16:04 > 0:16:07- ..the Welsh Government, - through Glastir...
0:16:07 > 0:16:09- ..and local grazing associations.
0:16:10 > 0:16:14- Wyn Morgan has worked hard - to nurture the relationship...
0:16:14 > 0:16:18- ..between landowners and grazers - as a park warden.
0:16:20 > 0:16:25- The grazers - lost their Tir Mynydd payments.
0:16:26 > 0:16:29- Then they saw that they could go - into Glastir on the mountain.
0:16:30 > 0:16:33- It was important then - that they had some support.
0:16:33 > 0:16:37- We saw an opportunity for us - to come in as a National Park...
0:16:38 > 0:16:40- ..to do something on the mountain.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42- We can't get money - to do much up here...
0:16:43 > 0:16:47- ..but there's an opportunity now - to work with these associations...
0:16:48 > 0:16:50- ..to put some projects together.
0:16:51 > 0:16:54- Looking back, one of the problems - was overgrazing.
0:16:55 > 0:16:57- Is that true these days?
0:16:57 > 0:17:01- No, it isn't. As you can see, - it's going the other way now.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04- We're on Carreg Goch common.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06- There are only four grazers now.
0:17:07 > 0:17:11- We've fenced off some areas of - the Black Mountain for conservation.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14- If you go there today, - you wouldn't be able to walk there.
0:17:15 > 0:17:19- If all the mountain gets like that, - it'll be no good to anybody.
0:17:19 > 0:17:23- What's the outlook on persuading - farmers to put more sheep out?
0:17:23 > 0:17:26- Why has that change happened?
0:17:26 > 0:17:30- There are no young people - coming in to farm the mountain.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33- You have to be raised - on the mountain.
0:17:33 > 0:17:38- I imagine one of the challenges - in the days of modern agriculture...
0:17:38 > 0:17:43- ..is getting people to put any sort - of livestock up on a mountain.
0:17:43 > 0:17:47- Yes, there aren't many people - who keep cattle.
0:17:47 > 0:17:50- There's a huge cost - to feed them during winter.
0:17:51 > 0:17:53- People used to turn them - onto the mountain...
0:17:53 > 0:17:56- ..but the cattle - aren't available now.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58- The same is true of sheep.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01- They're too big - to survive here over winter.
0:18:01 > 0:18:05- Even the mountain farmers - send them down over the winter.
0:18:05 > 0:18:07- It's very costly.
0:18:07 > 0:18:11- It makes you wonder whether - they'll go back to smaller sheep...
0:18:12 > 0:18:14- ..and use the mountain a bit more.
0:18:14 > 0:18:15- It would be very nice to see that.
0:18:15 > 0:18:16- It would be very nice to see that.- - That would be good.
0:18:16 > 0:18:21- In the end, what we need - is a market for the lambs.
0:18:21 > 0:18:25- That's it. The supermarkets - have made things the way they are.
0:18:25 > 0:18:29- They wanted bigger lamb joints.
0:18:29 > 0:18:33- Anything under 40 kilos - is a much cheaper price.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- Over 40 kilos always sells best now.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40- Getting the mountain lambs - up to that is quite an achievement.
0:18:40 > 0:18:44- With the Park extending - for over 520 square miles...
0:18:44 > 0:18:47- ..there's quite an area - to look after.
0:18:47 > 0:18:51- One completed scheme - is the restoration of a sheepfold...
0:18:51 > 0:18:54- ..near Craig-y-Nos - in the Swansea Valley.
0:18:54 > 0:18:56- At its heart is one large circle.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- It's a very interesting design.
0:18:59 > 0:19:04- You're right. - The whole fold is in a circle.
0:19:04 > 0:19:10- The large circle is inside and the - small ones go off from the middle.
0:19:10 > 0:19:13- As you can see, - all the holes go into each fold.
0:19:13 > 0:19:18- And those holes lead - to a special fold for each farm.
0:19:18 > 0:19:19- Yes.
0:19:19 > 0:19:25- I've had a piece of paper - from the chairman of Carreg Goch...
0:19:25 > 0:19:28- ..and the name of every farm - is on every fold.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32- I think those farms - are under forestry now.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35- They were small farms at that time.
0:19:36 > 0:19:40- You can see the size of the folds - and they're not very big.
0:19:40 > 0:19:43- This is key to understanding...
0:19:44 > 0:19:46- ..the history of land use - in this area.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48- You're right.
0:19:48 > 0:19:52- There are folds everywhere, - but nobody uses them now...
0:19:53 > 0:19:56- ..because everyone - gathers at the farm now.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58- They're all deteriorating.
0:19:58 > 0:20:03- The folds that haven't been used for - years have a lot of growth in them.
0:20:03 > 0:20:06- The sheep that are on the mountain - in the summer...
0:20:06 > 0:20:09- ..are starting - to travel through them now.
0:20:09 > 0:20:13- They're in and out - seeking a bit of shade, probably.
0:20:14 > 0:20:19- Garry Williams from Blaencennen - Farm, Gwynfe, Llangadog...
0:20:19 > 0:20:23- ..has been a key part - of the grazing partnership.
0:20:25 > 0:20:29- The grazers we have now - on the Black Mountain here...
0:20:29 > 0:20:31- ..include Carreg Goch and Palleg.
0:20:32 > 0:20:38- Two we have here on the Black - Mountain have gone into Glastir.
0:20:39 > 0:20:44- You have Glanaman and Pedol y Twrch - and Mynydd Myddfai.
0:20:44 > 0:20:46- Five of us have gone in.
0:20:47 > 0:20:49- We have land around the farm...
0:20:49 > 0:20:53- ..but also, - we're what you call commoners.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57- We have rights to graze sheep, - cattle and horses.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00- Those rights - go back years and years.
0:21:00 > 0:21:02- Usually, if you buy a farm...
0:21:03 > 0:21:07- ..you get the rights to put stock - out on the mountain with the farm.
0:21:07 > 0:21:11- It's not easy to make a living - on an upland farm.
0:21:11 > 0:21:16- Lots of schemes have been lost.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20- Is that what drove you - towards Glastir, mainly?
0:21:20 > 0:21:22- Through modulation...
0:21:23 > 0:21:27- ..we've lost close to 20% - of the Single Payment.
0:21:28 > 0:21:34- Also, the HLCA and Tir Mynydd - have come to an end.
0:21:34 > 0:21:40- So we had to look at the - Glastir scheme on the mountain...
0:21:40 > 0:21:45- ..to try to get some money - back into the area.
0:21:46 > 0:21:47- At first glance...
0:21:47 > 0:21:51- ..the Brecon Beacons and the - Black Mountain area look wonderful.
0:21:51 > 0:21:55- But there are problems - which need to be resolved...
0:21:55 > 0:21:58- ..to ensure a thriving future - for the National Park.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02- The co-operation between - the Black Mountain grazers...
0:22:03 > 0:22:06- ..and the Park Authority - is obviously paying off here.
0:22:06 > 0:22:11- The National Park and the grazers...
0:22:11 > 0:22:15- ..definitely work much more closely - than we used to.
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- Fair play to the Park, they - wanted us to go into the scheme...
0:22:21 > 0:22:24- ..and they helped us to go into it.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- At the end of the day, - they own the mountain...
0:22:28 > 0:22:32- ..but they need us too as grazers...
0:22:32 > 0:22:36- ..to help them to manage - and look after the mountain.
0:22:37 > 0:22:41- I think the Government - and the Assembly...
0:22:41 > 0:22:44- ..will be quite happy with that.
0:22:44 > 0:22:48- These schemes last five years - at the moment.
0:22:49 > 0:22:50- What's next?
0:22:51 > 0:22:56- We've heard that this scheme - will go on until 2019.
0:22:56 > 0:22:58- We don't know what's happening - after that.
0:22:59 > 0:23:02- We don't know what's happening - with every scheme.
0:23:03 > 0:23:07- I hope that we've shown - the Government and the Assembly...
0:23:08 > 0:23:09- ..the work is going on here.
0:23:10 > 0:23:13- Someone has to look after - the countryside.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16- Someone has to do it.
0:23:16 > 0:23:21- I think we can show that we've - accomplished some very good work.
0:23:30 > 0:23:32- That's it for this week.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34- We'll be back - at the same time next week.
0:23:35 > 0:23:37- Until then, thanks for your company.
0:23:38 > 0:23:39- Goodbye.
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