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:00:27. > :00:30.Welcome Back To Earth, a chance to explore some issues, shows some

:00:30. > :00:35.photographs and give a sense of what it is like working on the show.

:00:35. > :00:38.We thought we would make this little film. I am here by the

:00:38. > :00:42.Lovell telescope at Jodrell Bank and at the start of each day before

:00:42. > :00:50.every show, I like to come out here and make sure everything is working

:00:50. > :00:56.like it should be. Yeah, all good. Come with me, as I take you on an

:00:56. > :01:00.exclusive behind-the-scenes tour of Stargazing Live. It is from here

:01:00. > :01:04.that the movements of that amazing dish behind they are precisely

:01:04. > :01:07.monitored. My favourite bit is all these buttons, there's loads of

:01:07. > :01:11.buttons and you want to go like that and press them all, but you

:01:11. > :01:18.are not allowed to do that. You would get done if you were to do

:01:18. > :01:26.that, so I am not doing it. This is a room that is full of tellies, and

:01:26. > :01:30.pretty soon, I'm going to be on all of them. Having that. One of the

:01:30. > :01:35.wonders of lunchtime is when I do some shopping and get some things

:01:36. > :01:41.to recreate the diversity of our solar system. Like Mercury would be

:01:41. > :01:46.a tick tack, just by the sun. You have got Venus and are worth. And

:01:47. > :01:51.next to them, Mars, a Maltese have. Jupiter is this watermelon. You

:01:51. > :01:57.have the asteroid belt, which we are going to recreate with a bag of

:01:57. > :02:03.rivals like that. Some hundreds of thousands, that is the galaxy. And

:02:04. > :02:09.that is why I love lunchtime. Astronomy allows us to contemplate

:02:09. > :02:12.profound and very big things. The depth of the universe will see its

:02:12. > :02:20.gradual dissipation and ultimate demise, but the number of years

:02:20. > :02:28.until this happens is a huge number. So huge, I need help to express it,

:02:28. > :02:35.because it is 10,000 billion, billion. Billion. Billion. Billion.

:02:35. > :02:45.Billion years. That is like loads. Cheers.

:02:45. > :02:46.

:02:46. > :02:51.I said, the only imperfection in his impression is that his hair is

:02:52. > :02:58.not cry enough. He needs to get a Cryer wig. You look like you, and

:02:58. > :03:06.you look like the bass guitar as from a Beatles tribute band. It is

:03:06. > :03:11.not a good look for you. Thank you for joining us. We have our experts,

:03:11. > :03:16.Tim O'Brien is with us, Dr Lucy Green, Dr Andrew Pontzen, we met

:03:16. > :03:21.briefly and did not get rid of you and we said goodbye, apologies.

:03:21. > :03:27.Thank you for coming back, it is very kind. We always give somebody

:03:27. > :03:31.a gift, you deserve it more than anybody. This is meteorite wine. It

:03:32. > :03:41.is Chilean, feel free to pop the cork. During the ageing process,

:03:41. > :03:49.they place a meatier into the cask. As Patrick Moore says, have a drink.

:03:50. > :03:56.How has it been out in the cold? Talk amongst yourselves! They claim

:03:56. > :04:04.it is like tasting the birth of the universe. Are you going to give it

:04:05. > :04:09.a taste? I certainly am. Who is coldest? I am not entirely

:04:09. > :04:14.convinced. You are an added astronomer. As it helped to have a

:04:15. > :04:18.few experts around -- Abid astronomer? It is always a great

:04:18. > :04:26.thing to get a great group of astronomers together and everybody

:04:26. > :04:34.helps each other out. There is quite a nice communal field.

:04:34. > :04:38.seems like a happy group of people. I haven't got wind, somehow. Am I

:04:38. > :04:43.supposed to drink from the bottle? How lousy does this look? It seems

:04:43. > :04:49.like a good time to go to a question from a 12-year-old. Great

:04:49. > :04:58.question, 12-year-old! Sorry. It is from Alex Worthington. The question

:04:58. > :05:03.is, could a black hole one day appear near Earth and suck us in?

:05:03. > :05:08.No, it won't suck us in. Yes, they could appear. There is a theory

:05:08. > :05:13.that there are things called primordial black holes, very small,

:05:13. > :05:16.atomic black holes. It could have been around -- they could have been

:05:16. > :05:20.around since the Big Bang. They could be small black holes around

:05:20. > :05:22.now, floating through this room, and we would not know it. How long

:05:23. > :05:28.would it take for them to develop into something bigger and more

:05:28. > :05:33.dangerous? They won't. Just because it collapses and it is a black hole,

:05:34. > :05:38.if the sun became a black hole... It would be about three kilometres.

:05:38. > :05:42.You could squash it down and you would not notice, the earth would

:05:42. > :05:46.continue to orbit around it. It is a misnomer that they give up

:05:46. > :05:50.everything that is around them. the sun turned into a black hole,

:05:50. > :05:57.it would get dark in eight minutes, we would get very cold and all die,

:05:57. > :06:01.but we would not get sucked into it! So look on the bright side!

:06:01. > :06:04.Tiny black holes also evaporate very quickly, it is faster for the

:06:04. > :06:13.small black holes and the big black holes. By quickly, what do you

:06:13. > :06:18.mean? You're putting me on the spot. Talking about fractions of a second.

:06:18. > :06:23.People are talking about CERN creating black holes. They were mad

:06:23. > :06:28.people! They are already watching ITV, or Big Brother. He drives them

:06:28. > :06:34.a way! It is not mad that it could create black holes, but they would

:06:34. > :06:38.evaporate very quickly. The sun is not going to become a black hole?

:06:38. > :06:42.It is not massive enough, you need to be several times the mass of the

:06:42. > :06:48.Sun to be able to end the days of the start collapsing down, with

:06:48. > :06:58.gravity unable to stop the collapse. It would die in a much calmer, more

:06:58. > :07:00.

:07:00. > :07:04.sedate way. Heather asks, are black holes like wormholes in Star Trek?

:07:04. > :07:09.There is Solutions of Einstein's equations which have that property.

:07:09. > :07:16.I think they have to spin. I think we don't know, is probably the

:07:16. > :07:21.answer. There has been no evidence for them. We are not certain that

:07:21. > :07:27.they really do exist? You hear them a lot in science fiction. They

:07:27. > :07:30.might do. I don't think it is clear. If you have something that is

:07:30. > :07:34.formed in the real universe from a star collapsing. Under those

:07:34. > :07:40.circumstances, it seems unlikely you would end up with a 1 hole. It

:07:40. > :07:47.is more like mathematical solutions which have these wormholes. Can we

:07:47. > :07:57.get to Skype? I think we can get to Henry, he is six, with his mum.

:07:57. > :08:00.

:08:00. > :08:07.Hello. What question have you got? What would happen if the sun went

:08:07. > :08:09.to a black hole, and how do black holes what? Thank you. Nice work.

:08:09. > :08:13.It is a brilliant question. We already spoke about what would

:08:13. > :08:17.happen, nothing would happen, except it would go dark and we

:08:17. > :08:21.would eventually get very cold. But the Earth and the solar system

:08:21. > :08:26.would remain the same. But how do black holes work is a fascinating

:08:26. > :08:32.question. The answer is that we don't know. Do you have anything to

:08:32. > :08:36.add? I think the thing about explaining why we would not get

:08:36. > :08:40.sucked into a black hole is, if you could get a giant pair of hands and

:08:40. > :08:46.crush the Sandown, it would turn into a black hole but it's a mass

:08:46. > :08:51.would not change -- the sound down. Its mass determines how we orbit

:08:51. > :08:57.around it. We would not notice if the sun turned into a black hole, I

:08:57. > :09:01.guess. There was a science-fiction idea that you could use the pull of

:09:01. > :09:10.a black hole and Emmett waste into it, and that would turn the well

:09:10. > :09:15.that it was on. Is there any way of harnessing something like that?

:09:15. > :09:18.is not obvious. Technologically, it seems pretty unlikely. But we see

:09:18. > :09:23.in the universe, black holes are an amazingly efficient way of its

:09:23. > :09:32.generating energy, more efficient than stars. If you chuck some mass

:09:32. > :09:39.into a black hole, something like 10% of E=MC squared comes back.

:09:39. > :09:45.That is from the radiation that we see. Matt asks, what is the largest

:09:45. > :09:50.black hole that we know of anywhere. There are several billions of times

:09:50. > :09:58.the mass of the Sun. The Super massive black holes that we talk

:09:58. > :10:06.about. There are ones which are like the sun collapsing, are the

:10:06. > :10:11.Super massive black colts much greater than the... Many times

:10:11. > :10:21.greater, you have to happen to have much more material coming in, which

:10:21. > :10:22.

:10:22. > :10:26.is why you see them at the centre of galaxies. Do they begin as a

:10:26. > :10:31.super massive black holes? We have an idea of how they originate but

:10:31. > :10:35.they tend to be relatively small solar mass type black holes, it is

:10:35. > :10:41.pretty hard to see how you get from there to super massive black holes.

:10:41. > :10:46.Once you have the super massive million solar mass because, you can

:10:46. > :10:51.merge those and carry on making bigger ones. But it is hard.

:10:51. > :10:56.heard Event Horizon used. What is that? What is the difference

:10:56. > :11:01.between that and singularity. singularity is the mathematical

:11:01. > :11:07.description of what a black hole is. That is what the equations tell you

:11:07. > :11:12.you get. Considering how close you have to get to be sucked in, coming

:11:12. > :11:16.back to this idea that black holes are cosmic Hoovers, if the sun

:11:16. > :11:20.turned into a black hole, you would not get sucked in. But you would,

:11:20. > :11:24.if you got to the event horizon. That is the distance at which there

:11:24. > :11:29.is the point of no return. As you get closer to an object, the

:11:29. > :11:38.gravitational pull increases. When you get to the event horizon...

:11:38. > :11:42.have to interrupt. We are getting loads of photographs. We are going

:11:42. > :11:50.over to marker. This is a representation not to

:11:50. > :11:57.scale, I hasten to add, of the observable universe you have been

:11:57. > :12:07.sending in fantastic pictures. We have some quite incredible ones. I

:12:07. > :12:13.

:12:13. > :12:23.start with a picture by Robert He took this using a five-inch

:12:23. > :12:34.

:12:34. > :12:40.It is a really superb image. The second image was taken at the role

:12:40. > :12:47.right stones, which we used in our light permission film -- pollution

:12:47. > :12:56.from. The camera is pointed at the sky and allows the stars to trail

:12:56. > :13:04.across the camera. This is my favourite picture, of the sun with

:13:04. > :13:08.a jet aircraft passing just in front. It was taken with a solar

:13:08. > :13:18.telescope, which means you can get a very good clear image of the Sun,

:13:18. > :13:24.

:13:24. > :13:29.Apparently we are getting nothing but the mouse questioning your

:13:29. > :13:36.hardline stance to UFOs. There is something on the Fermi Paradox

:13:36. > :13:42.which his 4th ball and powerful. -- -- which is a thoughtful. The

:13:42. > :13:48.question is, why are they not here? The reason is, the galaxy is sold,

:13:48. > :13:52.there are so many star systems, that is it is difficult to

:13:52. > :13:58.understand why there is not a civilisation somewhere that is more

:13:58. > :14:02.advanced, such as it should have colonise the galaxy. There is

:14:02. > :14:06.nothing in the law of physics that says, give us a million years and

:14:06. > :14:15.we should have been able to explore the galaxy. The question is, why

:14:15. > :14:20.don't we see these alien probes? It is difficult to explain why. My

:14:20. > :14:26.stance... I would not be surprised at all if a UFO landed over there.

:14:26. > :14:30.However... On people having fun and enjoying themselves... I think they

:14:30. > :14:39.are going to appear or they are not. If they want to come and be seen,

:14:39. > :14:43.If they want to hide, they will not mess it up a bit. They were not

:14:43. > :14:49.abduct 150,000 American farmers, failed to wipe the memory and then

:14:49. > :14:59.they write a book and become famous. They would not mess up in that way.

:14:59. > :15:01.

:15:01. > :15:04.I think that aliens might be gently watching us in the same way that

:15:05. > :15:12.David Attenborough observes penguins. I like the assumption

:15:12. > :15:16.that the penguins do not observe David Attenborough. I don't think

:15:16. > :15:21.the penguins stick sticks into David Attenborough. Moving on to

:15:21. > :15:26.celestial matters. You can drink as I am asking. Do you think there

:15:26. > :15:30.will be a time when we can see black holes? Yes, I think this is a

:15:30. > :15:33.really interesting question. I think there may well be. There are

:15:33. > :15:37.lots of simulations done at the moment to give us an understanding

:15:37. > :15:42.of what we need to look for in order to be able to see these

:15:42. > :15:48.invisible object. You can see a mission from hot material that

:15:48. > :15:54.forms the disco around them. But if you seek no hot material, what are

:15:54. > :15:57.you looking for? A black shadow against the starry background. The

:15:57. > :16:00.simulations have shown us the distortions in the distribution of

:16:00. > :16:05.stars because of the effect of the black hole. Even if the black hole

:16:05. > :16:11.is spinning, the black shadow would change its shape and get distorted.

:16:11. > :16:16.Theoretically we understand some of what we should be looking for,

:16:16. > :16:23.should we get telescopes that are good enough. There is a meeting

:16:23. > :16:28.tomorrow in the States that is to discuss the event horizon telescope.

:16:28. > :16:31.They are looking at a network of 50 telescopes spread across the whole

:16:31. > :16:39.planet, working together, the King at the black hole at the centre of

:16:39. > :16:45.the Milky Way that we discussed earlier. -- looking at. We will be

:16:45. > :16:54.looking at light wavelengths of about 1 mm. They hope to see the

:16:54. > :16:58.shadow and directly see the black hole. We think that black holes

:16:58. > :17:08.Bennett something, and if that is true then they can evaporate away.

:17:08. > :17:09.

:17:09. > :17:15.There is a stream of particles. Could we be sense -- sensitive

:17:15. > :17:19.enough to see that? I think the ones that live for very long time

:17:20. > :17:23.scales are very cold. When they get smaller, they emit radiation and

:17:23. > :17:31.they lose mass, they get smaller, and that process accelerated and

:17:31. > :17:34.they get hotter and hotter. I am not sure. It is unlikely that we

:17:34. > :17:36.could detect radiation from anything Astrophysical but

:17:36. > :17:43.something that is really interesting is gravitational wave

:17:43. > :17:46.detection. One way of detecting black holes is that when they are

:17:46. > :17:54.emerging they emit gravitational waves and there are projects to try

:17:54. > :17:59.it and detect them. Yes, we are looking for those ripples that

:17:59. > :18:02.would spread through the university. There would be two masses around it

:18:02. > :18:05.which could collide into one big black hole and that could happen in

:18:05. > :18:10.the next 10 years. Could there be the faintest possibility that if

:18:10. > :18:17.you pass through a black hole, wormhole, is somehow the men

:18:17. > :18:25.yourself into another dimension, another time? -- used somehow e-

:18:25. > :18:28.mailed yourself. If you look at a messy, collapsing star, complicated

:18:28. > :18:32.astrophysics means that these nice, mathematical properties go away and

:18:32. > :18:36.I honestly don't think we know what an astrophysical black hole is

:18:36. > :18:42.really like. On the subject of science fiction and science fact,

:18:42. > :18:47.that is the perfect point to go to Patrick Moore with that question.

:18:47. > :18:56.Science fact or science-fiction? Look at this remarkable picture. It

:18:56. > :19:01.is aerogel. Has aerogel ever been used in space? Science fact or

:19:01. > :19:06.science-fiction? OK, the question he was asking was about aerogel.

:19:06. > :19:10.Are you familiar with that? I am not going to say anything. I am

:19:10. > :19:15.familiar with it. It has been used in space missions, as he said. It

:19:15. > :19:19.can be used as a particle detector to detect radiation, where

:19:19. > :19:29.particles can pass through the aerogel faster than light. What

:19:29. > :19:33.

:19:33. > :19:39.exactly is it? Highly dangerous? Lovely. I have heard it described

:19:39. > :19:49.as liquid smoke. It breaks open very easily. Very expensive. Is it

:19:49. > :19:56.important? That is really cool. That is the other half. Would you

:19:56. > :20:01.like to look? Has it been used in space? You have sort of answered

:20:01. > :20:09.that question. Have I done it again? You have. It is science fact.

:20:09. > :20:15.Is that right? Yes, this time you are right. Aerogel has been used in

:20:15. > :20:20.space to cap to cosmic dust. It is so incredibly low density that it

:20:20. > :20:30.picks it up. There is nothing else quite like it.

:20:30. > :20:30.

:20:30. > :20:34.Aero gel is an incredibly low density foam and its shares for one

:20:34. > :20:44.trait with my hand. It is hydrophobic so that because water

:20:44. > :20:46.

:20:47. > :20:56.and your hand should not get wet. - - repels water. That is bizarre. It

:20:56. > :21:04.is absolutely dry. Do It again! This is amazing. It is completely

:21:04. > :21:08.impossible to wash off or remove. My hand goes into water. You cannot

:21:08. > :21:18.feel any water. You can feel the temperature but not the winners.

:21:18. > :21:19.

:21:19. > :21:23.And it comes out completely dry. That is how James Bond does it!

:21:23. > :21:28.had does feel very weird. I have a feeling this stuff will be on me

:21:28. > :21:34.forever in some shape or form. I must make a mental note not to go

:21:34. > :21:37.to the toilet immediately after the show. If large matters are drawn to

:21:37. > :21:41.one another, does that mean that black holes will eventually swallow

:21:41. > :21:44.everything up? I suppose theoretically if things got close

:21:44. > :21:49.enough to a black hole, then they could. But they don't keep on

:21:49. > :21:55.expanding. Over time do they get larger or smaller? Event Horizon

:21:55. > :21:59.will get larger if you have more material going into it. In the very

:21:59. > :22:03.long term, but the evolution of the universe will be overtaken by dark

:22:03. > :22:08.energy, or at least we think so. We don't really understand it. That

:22:08. > :22:16.will push all of the Delic is in the universe further apart. If for

:22:16. > :22:21.of the material can fall into the black holes, then they will be

:22:21. > :22:26.further and further apart and there will be lots of time to radiate

:22:26. > :22:29.radiation and evaporate. If they stop eating, they evaporate?

:22:29. > :22:33.Presumably the scales between different galaxies are sufficient

:22:33. > :22:40.that they will not heat up? Andrew is right. Things are not close

:22:40. > :22:44.enough in the universe to come together but the erratic laid... --

:22:44. > :22:48.theoretically... You have heard the boundaries of physics expressed

:22:48. > :22:52.beautifully. We have no idea what dark energy is, it is fair to say.

:22:52. > :22:57.It looks like 70% of the universe is taken up making the universe

:22:57. > :23:01.expand more quickly, accelerating its expansion. It is an absolute

:23:01. > :23:05.mystery. Black holes are a mystery. We are talking about this radiation

:23:05. > :23:12.as though it is the fat. It is well established theoretically but we do

:23:12. > :23:16.not know if black holes will evaporate. Do we know how we can

:23:16. > :23:19.interact with black holes? I will pass dark energy on to the

:23:19. > :23:23.cosmologists, but dark matter is potentially in the realm of

:23:23. > :23:28.particle physics. The Large Hadron Collider might make super separate

:23:28. > :23:31.particles, a whole new set, like a mirror world if you like, but

:23:31. > :23:35.heavier than these particles. The light is one of those is predicted

:23:35. > :23:39.to be stable and it is a candidate for dark matter. It could be that

:23:39. > :23:44.the universe is full of super symmetric particles. We may

:23:44. > :23:48.discover those in the coming years. Dark energy? It only behaves like

:23:48. > :23:52.anti-gravity. It was a complete shock when it was discovered in

:23:52. > :23:55.1998. We have been looking at the universe expanding and what we were

:23:55. > :23:59.expecting was these galaxies being pulled back together by their

:23:59. > :24:03.gravity. Then the expansion would be slowing down. We found that

:24:03. > :24:11.expansion was speeding up. We did not know what that was causing that

:24:11. > :24:18.and already we did not know what dark matter was, so we coined the

:24:18. > :24:21.expression dark energy. Can black holes hold the dark matter?

:24:21. > :24:26.There have been experiments to check for this with macro lenses.

:24:26. > :24:30.If the galaxy was full of little holes, we would be able to see that

:24:30. > :24:35.by staring at stars and seeing the twinkles. In a similar way to

:24:35. > :24:39.seeing what the planet hunters were doing. There would be a difference

:24:39. > :24:44.signal when you get a planet. They would twinkle because the black

:24:44. > :24:48.hole would pass in front of the star and Paul the light around it.

:24:48. > :24:53.That would actually make the star brighter for the moment. How are

:24:53. > :25:03.you doing, Jon? Dark matter and dark energy sound very sinister.

:25:03. > :25:06.is like a James Bond villain. Happy matter? Happy energy? As we saw,

:25:06. > :25:10.far from being dangerous, dark matter is probably the reason that

:25:10. > :25:15.we are here. Without the simulations that we have at the

:25:15. > :25:20.moment, there would not be any energy. Given that there are so

:25:20. > :25:26.many stars in the universe, is somebody watching, stargazing, and

:25:26. > :25:30.looking at us? If the universe is infinite, then yes. We can only see

:25:30. > :25:34.a little bit of the universe, which we call the observable universe. If

:25:34. > :25:37.you imagine as here, then there is a sphere around us from which

:25:38. > :25:41.lights have had time to reach us from the Big Bang. That is the edge

:25:41. > :25:46.of the observable universe. Beyond that we know there is more universe

:25:46. > :25:53.but we do not know if it goes on forever or not. If it did, there

:25:53. > :25:58.would be more Brian Coxs. There are already two and if they stand too

:25:58. > :26:03.close then they evaporate! We want you to go out and see what is in

:26:03. > :26:06.the sky above you and to help you, we have made this.

:26:06. > :26:12.Look South straight after the show tonight and hunt for the three

:26:13. > :26:16.stars in a row that make-up Orion's belt. A little closer to the

:26:16. > :26:21.horizon, you may be able to make out some brighter objects close

:26:21. > :26:25.together pointing down. These make- up Orion's sword. If the sky is

:26:25. > :26:30.dark and clear enough, in the middle of the sort you can see what

:26:30. > :26:36.looks like a fuzzy star. This is actually the Orion nebula, an area

:26:37. > :26:41.where new stars are forming. Still in the constellation of Orion, you

:26:41. > :26:48.can see a star at the other end of its life cycle. In the top left

:26:48. > :26:53.corner, the red super-giant. If you can get a good few of this star,

:26:53. > :26:59.you can see that it does look slightly red coloured. It is in the

:26:59. > :27:05.process of dying and one day it will explode and go supernova. If

:27:05. > :27:09.you look back up beyond Orion, there is more to find. At the very

:27:09. > :27:13.top of the constellation of Taurus, there is a tiny, closely packed

:27:13. > :27:19.group of stars. It is a star cluster of known as the seven

:27:19. > :27:23.sisters. The reason they are so close is that they all formed from

:27:23. > :27:29.the same gas cloud. On a much larger scale, looked to the West

:27:29. > :27:33.and you will be looking towards our nearest galaxy, Andromeda. It is

:27:33. > :27:40.above the tops dark in the Square of Pegasus. To the naked eye, it

:27:40. > :27:47.will look like a hazy smudge. It is actually bigger than our galaxy. If

:27:47. > :27:52.you are lucky enough to live in a very dark area, before the moon

:27:52. > :27:57.rises at 3am, try spotting our galaxy, the Milky Way. It is a

:27:57. > :28:07.dense fog of stars moving North West to South East, and passing

:28:07. > :28:10.

:28:10. > :28:14.through Casio and serious, the brightest star in this sky.

:28:14. > :28:18.Mark has also recorded audio guides which you can download from the

:28:18. > :28:22.website. There is so much information. How are we doing on

:28:22. > :28:27.the planet hunting? We have had half a million analyses done, which

:28:27. > :28:31.is unbelievable. We will keep doing it and I think we will find planets.

:28:31. > :28:36.Half-a-million? Let's make it 1 million by the end of the show.

:28:36. > :28:41.Have you enjoyed it? At salute you wonderful. Thank you to the

:28:41. > :28:51.Liverpool and Macclesfield astronomy club. -- absolutely

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