0:00:05 > 0:00:12It's 1966, 50 years ago, and England are celebrating.
0:00:12 > 0:00:15They're celebrating the first and, as it turns out,
0:00:15 > 0:00:19the only time that they've been on top of the footballing world.
0:00:19 > 0:00:21They've just won the World Cup.
0:00:21 > 0:00:24It's the first time I've actually seen the England manager
0:00:24 > 0:00:25with the World Cup and, my word,
0:00:25 > 0:00:27he well deserves to hold that aloft, doesn't he?
0:00:27 > 0:00:29He certainly does.
0:00:29 > 0:00:31Let's just enjoy those scenes out there on the balcony.
0:00:31 > 0:00:35This is the story of a bunch of working-class lads,
0:00:35 > 0:00:38their unlikely boss and a spirit that conquered the world.
0:00:40 > 0:00:44The World Cup, of course, is the greatest competition in the world.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47Without any consideration at all,
0:00:47 > 0:00:48I said that England would win
0:00:48 > 0:00:50the World Cup competition.
0:00:59 > 0:01:04In terms of what people had, they had nothing or very, very little.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07A dreadful, difficult time.
0:01:07 > 0:01:11I just think maybe, in them days, getting picked for England
0:01:11 > 0:01:14was just the most important thing in their lives.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22It was the age of the pill,
0:01:22 > 0:01:26so sexual freedom came in, not that Bobby and I ever abused that.
0:01:26 > 0:01:27It was revolutionary.
0:01:27 > 0:01:30Everything started from the jaded and tired '50s.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36You were frightened to death, really.
0:01:36 > 0:01:39Honestly, his face, he went berserk.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42He went, "You've what? You've forgotten it?"
0:01:44 > 0:01:46The F word came out quite a few times.
0:01:46 > 0:01:51Geoff Hurst said, "See you next time, Alf." He said, "If selected."
0:01:53 > 0:01:55Everything we did, we all did everything together.
0:01:55 > 0:02:00I mean, there was arguments and cups of tea going across the room.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04He used to turn and look at you, and he'd go, "Come on, come on!"
0:02:05 > 0:02:08A team that won the biggest prize in sport.
0:02:08 > 0:02:11- COMMENTARY:- In goes Hurst, it's an equalizer!
0:02:11 > 0:02:14Some people are on the pitch, they think it's all over.
0:02:14 > 0:02:15It is now.
0:02:16 > 0:02:22And on the Sunday, what do I do? Cut the grass and clean the car.
0:02:24 > 0:02:30Life's all about people, and these people were very special.
0:02:30 > 0:02:35It's about their hopes, their dreams and, in my case, disappointment.
0:02:35 > 0:02:38'66, to me, was a horrible bloody year.
0:02:39 > 0:02:43He said to me, "What about that, kidder? What about that?"
0:02:43 > 0:02:461966 in the World Cup, he was the best player in the world.
0:02:46 > 0:02:50I mean, look what I'm doing now - 50 years later,
0:02:50 > 0:02:52still talking about it
0:02:52 > 0:02:54because it was the greatest moment in football history.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04HE COMMENTATES IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE
0:03:04 > 0:03:09It's looking like about 22,000 out of the 27,000 capacity
0:03:09 > 0:03:11as Zagallo takes the corner.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14There's Garrincha... It's a goal! Brazil have scored.
0:03:16 > 0:03:19Oh, dear!
0:03:19 > 0:03:241962 - England knocked out of yet another World Cup.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27It was embarrassing, really,
0:03:27 > 0:03:31because England had invented the game of football -
0:03:31 > 0:03:33well, as the story goes -
0:03:33 > 0:03:38and yet, as a nation, they'd done absolutely nothing of note.
0:03:38 > 0:03:40Oh, dear!
0:03:40 > 0:03:43- COMMENTARY:- Garrincha now coming to the middle
0:03:43 > 0:03:45and there's Amarildo to Garrincha.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48It's a goal, a beautiful goal by Garrincha!
0:03:48 > 0:03:50Yeah, it drives me mad, it does.
0:03:50 > 0:03:53Frustrating is not the word, really, you know.
0:03:54 > 0:03:56They don't seem to play as fast as us,
0:03:56 > 0:03:59they don't seem to put as much effort in.
0:03:59 > 0:04:00The only thing I can think of
0:04:00 > 0:04:01is that they read the game a lot better.
0:04:01 > 0:04:07Something had to be done...and this is what we had to do it with.
0:04:09 > 0:04:13These were the boys hand-picked to turn it all around.
0:04:17 > 0:04:22Hand-picked by one man, Alf Ramsey, a London lad himself.
0:04:22 > 0:04:26Well, I should say Essex, really, though he didn't sound like it.
0:04:26 > 0:04:30I think there's a beginning to everything whereby it did enable us
0:04:30 > 0:04:34to make up some of the ground that had been lost in previous matches.
0:04:34 > 0:04:36Elocution lessons, by all accounts.
0:04:36 > 0:04:39Anyway, he wasn't lacking in confidence.
0:04:39 > 0:04:40Oh, most certainly.
0:04:40 > 0:04:41I think, with all sincerity,
0:04:41 > 0:04:46that we shall win the World Cup in 1966.
0:04:46 > 0:04:47HE CHUCKLES
0:04:47 > 0:04:51Well, Alf said we'll win the World Cup in '66.
0:04:51 > 0:04:55Yes, it was, "Here is your dose of the truth drug.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58"You will take this and swallow it and believe it."
0:04:58 > 0:05:02And we thought, "Well, that's a good shout but, you know,
0:05:02 > 0:05:06"it's something to say. He's trying to lift our spirits."
0:05:11 > 0:05:15Walter Winterbottom, who'd been the previous England team manager,
0:05:15 > 0:05:17Walter Winterbottom had struggled
0:05:17 > 0:05:19from the time he took over in 1946
0:05:19 > 0:05:23to the time he handed over to Alf in '62
0:05:23 > 0:05:25because the international committee
0:05:25 > 0:05:27had the last word on who played in the team.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33You cannot have a committee choosing a team.
0:05:33 > 0:05:35You must have one man with a vision of his own
0:05:35 > 0:05:41and a philosophy of his own to choose a team to win a game
0:05:41 > 0:05:45and, because of that, we weren't really going anywhere.
0:05:46 > 0:05:51Alf Ramsey said, "I'm the manager. I pick the team. I do this, I do that.
0:05:51 > 0:05:55"Please get out of my way so I can get on with the job."
0:05:55 > 0:05:57That was his attitude right from the word go and, remember,
0:05:57 > 0:06:03he lost his first match 5-2 in France.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06He wasn't the most demonstrative of people.
0:06:06 > 0:06:09The first game we had, we went to France.
0:06:09 > 0:06:15I was the captain at the time... and we lost the game
0:06:15 > 0:06:20and we got back on the bus. He said, "Do we always play like that?"
0:06:20 > 0:06:23So I said, "No, no, not always."
0:06:23 > 0:06:26He said, "Well, that's the first bit of good news I've had all night,"
0:06:26 > 0:06:27that's what he said.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31And I thought to myself, "Right, I know where we are now."
0:06:33 > 0:06:36There's one or two people probably would be regulars
0:06:36 > 0:06:38that would expect to play,
0:06:38 > 0:06:41but a lot of the team, they weren't sure.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44I mean, I was never sure that I was going to play.
0:06:44 > 0:06:49He'd always make a point of coming round and thanking every player.
0:06:49 > 0:06:51And he'd be walking down the line and he came to me
0:06:51 > 0:06:53and I put my hand like that and said, "I'll see you, Alf."
0:06:53 > 0:06:55He went, "Will you?"
0:06:55 > 0:06:59I thought to myself, "Blooming heck!"
0:06:59 > 0:07:04And he didn't want me to go away thinking, like,
0:07:04 > 0:07:06"Oh, he's had a good game.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09"He thinks he's going to get picked for the next match."
0:07:10 > 0:07:14Alf was a control freak, there's no doubt about it,
0:07:14 > 0:07:20but time was running out and some things were beyond his control.
0:07:20 > 0:07:24That was 1962, the World Cup final in South America.
0:07:24 > 0:07:26Four years later, the trophy's here in London
0:07:26 > 0:07:29because this is the year when England, the birthplace of football,
0:07:29 > 0:07:33stages the championship of the world for the first time in history.
0:07:33 > 0:07:37Well, now, in just a few minutes in a London hotel,
0:07:37 > 0:07:41the draw is due to be made for the final stages to be played in July.
0:07:41 > 0:07:46He wanted to make the most of England's home advantage,
0:07:46 > 0:07:49to maximise the amount of friendly supporters.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52That was the host's prerogative.
0:07:52 > 0:07:58And it's already been decided that England should play in London
0:07:58 > 0:08:04and Brazil in Lancashire, in Groups One and Three respectively.
0:08:05 > 0:08:12This is a privilege afforded to the host country and to the holder.
0:08:12 > 0:08:14Whenever I think of the World Cup,
0:08:14 > 0:08:17I go straight back into my grandma's house,
0:08:17 > 0:08:20her big kitchen and the telly stuck up there.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22This is for Group One to play England.
0:08:22 > 0:08:27- The first, Uruguay, in Group One. - So, Uruguay play against England.
0:08:27 > 0:08:30She used to go upstairs and have a wash, put some lipstick on,
0:08:30 > 0:08:33get changed and come and sit with her chair in front of it
0:08:33 > 0:08:35and he'd come on and he'd go, "Good evening,"
0:08:35 > 0:08:36and she'd go, "Good evening."
0:08:36 > 0:08:38SHE LAUGHS
0:08:38 > 0:08:42So, she was still drawn into it.
0:08:42 > 0:08:44And the fourth is Mexico.
0:08:46 > 0:08:50Remember, England must finish first or second out of those four
0:08:50 > 0:08:52to get into the quarterfinal.
0:08:52 > 0:08:54They'd be up against it, all right,
0:08:54 > 0:08:59but these lads were used to a bit of hard work.
0:08:59 > 0:09:04Life as a footballer in the '60s was nothing like it is today.
0:09:07 > 0:09:12It was a different world. We'd just come out of a war.
0:09:12 > 0:09:17In many ways, in the late '40s and early '50s,
0:09:17 > 0:09:20you were worse off because all of the aid had stopped
0:09:20 > 0:09:23and everything, and nobody had anything.
0:09:23 > 0:09:28I mean, first kicking a ball around was an old leather ball
0:09:28 > 0:09:30with the bladder hanging out of it, you know.
0:09:30 > 0:09:34It was hard for families, cos everybody was skint in those days.
0:09:34 > 0:09:35I used to have bread and jam
0:09:35 > 0:09:37when I got home from school, every single night.
0:09:37 > 0:09:40A cup of tea, two big thick slices of bread covered in jam -
0:09:40 > 0:09:42that was it.
0:09:42 > 0:09:45You grew up to be like your mum, you know. You dressed...
0:09:46 > 0:09:52Just twin set and pearls. Yeah, I've put the pearls on!
0:09:52 > 0:09:57All the women all had their hair the same - perms and rollered
0:09:57 > 0:10:02and the same style and so...tired.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07Most of us had done national service.
0:10:07 > 0:10:11I'd been in the King's Own Royal Regiment for two years.
0:10:11 > 0:10:12I'd played in the British Army team.
0:10:12 > 0:10:15Six or seven of them were players who went on
0:10:15 > 0:10:17to play for Young England or England.
0:10:17 > 0:10:22My Army days, 18 to 20, Windsor.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25The Duke of Edinburgh came in one day when I was on guard,
0:10:25 > 0:10:27and I was only just standing next to the gate
0:10:27 > 0:10:31and I had to open the gate for people to go through
0:10:31 > 0:10:36and he was walking up towards me and I said, "Halt! Who goes there?"
0:10:36 > 0:10:41"The King. The King's..." And I said, "Pass, all's well."
0:10:42 > 0:10:44I was born in 1939.
0:10:44 > 0:10:47There was a certain amount of discipline to your life
0:10:47 > 0:10:49after this particular...
0:10:49 > 0:10:52Well, I mean, I never saw a chicken till 1955 or something like that,
0:10:52 > 0:10:56but the fact is, people had to have that discipline.
0:10:56 > 0:10:59A lot of those guys did, you know, but when I came into the game,
0:10:59 > 0:11:05the top wages were just coming up a bit from £8 a week.
0:11:05 > 0:11:09I mean, footballers, when I first met Bobby, I didn't even realise
0:11:09 > 0:11:11that footballers got paid to do something.
0:11:11 > 0:11:13I thought it was a part-time sport.
0:11:13 > 0:11:16I didn't realise that footballers played it and it was a job.
0:11:16 > 0:11:21When I came to Leeds at 15 and a half, 16,
0:11:21 > 0:11:22our job was to do the ground.
0:11:22 > 0:11:26We used to re-seed the pitch, paint the dressing rooms,
0:11:26 > 0:11:29paint outside, and then you got the opportunity,
0:11:29 > 0:11:34when all the jobs were done and the groundsman had finished with you,
0:11:34 > 0:11:36you got a chance to go training.
0:11:36 > 0:11:40My father made me leave school at the age of 15 at Christmas
0:11:40 > 0:11:44and my first job was a local coal round
0:11:44 > 0:11:47and the guy bought a wagonload of coal
0:11:47 > 0:11:51and we'd lift the hundredweight bags and drop them down into the cellar.
0:11:51 > 0:11:55Only because I missed a bus and decided to go
0:11:55 > 0:11:57and watch the local team playing on the rec,
0:11:57 > 0:12:00where we kicked a ball about as boys,
0:12:00 > 0:12:03was I able to get a team to play for,
0:12:03 > 0:12:05because a bloke walks over and says, "Do you want a game?
0:12:05 > 0:12:08"Our goalie's not turned up." "Yeah, I'll play!"
0:12:08 > 0:12:12It wasn't, "I'm a footballer and I've got a flash car,"
0:12:12 > 0:12:14because they didn't.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16They weren't on very good wages.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20When I got married to Bobby, well, I'd stopped working
0:12:20 > 0:12:24when I was 19, I retired to get ready for the wedding,
0:12:24 > 0:12:28but I was earning £11 a week and he was earning £8,
0:12:28 > 0:12:30so I was the breadwinner, and that's a true story.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33He was earning much less than I when I first met him.
0:12:35 > 0:12:38You were more part of the people, if you like.
0:12:38 > 0:12:40You didn't live away from the people.
0:12:40 > 0:12:42We didn't live in big houses.
0:12:42 > 0:12:47In all honesty, the only player that had a big house was Bobby.
0:12:47 > 0:12:51We all lived in terraced houses or semidetached houses
0:12:51 > 0:12:55and Bobby bought a detached house.
0:12:55 > 0:13:00I remember some of the players at West Ham didn't drive cars
0:13:00 > 0:13:04and they would come to the game on the bus with the fans, you know?
0:13:05 > 0:13:07The bus queue was 20 or 30 yards long
0:13:07 > 0:13:09and no chance of getting on,
0:13:09 > 0:13:11so I used to have to walk the last mile down to the ground
0:13:11 > 0:13:14and, of course, all of the supporters are going down with you.
0:13:14 > 0:13:16"How do you think we'll go today, Ray?"
0:13:16 > 0:13:18"Oh, I think we'll be all right."
0:13:18 > 0:13:21We didn't get paid that well.
0:13:21 > 0:13:26When teams came to play at Elland Road, before a match,
0:13:26 > 0:13:30I would go to the hotel and say to the lads,
0:13:30 > 0:13:35"Listen, I've got some fantastic cloth. Tell us what you want.
0:13:35 > 0:13:41"Two pairs of trousers and a jacket and a suit." It worked, it did.
0:13:41 > 0:13:44I mean, Terry Venables was one.
0:13:44 > 0:13:50Terry, every time he came to Leeds, he used to have a suit.
0:13:50 > 0:13:53No! Jack Charlton used to sell suits
0:13:53 > 0:13:58and get lengths of material out of the back of the cars and used to...
0:13:58 > 0:14:00Not dropped off the lorry,
0:14:00 > 0:14:02but they used to sell them in Leeds,
0:14:02 > 0:14:04I can remember that.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07You had to remember, it was the time as well.
0:14:07 > 0:14:09There was still a bit of stiff upper lip around, you know,
0:14:09 > 0:14:13in Britain, but therein might have been
0:14:13 > 0:14:20the groundwork for a bit of resilience that saw us right in '66.
0:14:21 > 0:14:25And I still think Alf recognised that, too, because, after all,
0:14:25 > 0:14:29he was the same era or before, of course, a very good player himself.
0:14:29 > 0:14:34Alf played for Spurs, of course. He played for Tottenham.
0:14:34 > 0:14:37I used to go and watch him as a kid.
0:14:37 > 0:14:40We'd go to White Hart Lane, Alf would be playing in front
0:14:40 > 0:14:44of Bill Nicholson, who became the manager at Tottenham as well.
0:14:48 > 0:14:51When Ipswich offered him a crack at management,
0:14:51 > 0:14:55he took himself up the A12 and into history.
0:14:56 > 0:14:59Sir Alf Ramsey, at Ipswich Town,
0:14:59 > 0:15:02created this little town team which they now call the Tractor Boys
0:15:02 > 0:15:07to win the First Division with a unique style of play.
0:15:09 > 0:15:13You'd come off the park thinking you'd wiped the floor with them,
0:15:13 > 0:15:15and you'd lost 3-1.
0:15:15 > 0:15:17They seemed to have the ball all the time,
0:15:17 > 0:15:20but nobody could fathom how he was doing it.
0:15:20 > 0:15:24He was very lucky. He had a super chairman, old John Cobbold.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27John said, "The only crisis we have at Ipswich
0:15:27 > 0:15:30"is if we run out of gin in the boardroom," you know.
0:15:30 > 0:15:31Since he's been with us,
0:15:31 > 0:15:34Ipswich Town have met with more success
0:15:34 > 0:15:37than any other football club in the country.
0:15:37 > 0:15:40Mr Mayor, you've been so kind to invite us here again...
0:15:40 > 0:15:43Alf, to me, was the character.
0:15:43 > 0:15:49I think Alf was brilliant and then this posh accent he had.
0:15:49 > 0:15:53"Oh, hello, Norman. How are you? Lovely to see you."
0:15:53 > 0:15:56I like coming here anyway. I don't know whether the players do.
0:15:56 > 0:15:58Normally, they don't drink.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00LAUGHTER
0:16:00 > 0:16:02The funny times that I liked him,
0:16:02 > 0:16:07when he dropped his guard and Alf would have one or two whiskies
0:16:07 > 0:16:12and the F word came out quite a few times,
0:16:12 > 0:16:15which you wouldn't think.
0:16:15 > 0:16:19You mustn't believe all the stories the chairman tells.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23If you had seen me in Hamburg,
0:16:23 > 0:16:27you'd have seen that the ringleader of the party was the chairman.
0:16:27 > 0:16:29LAUGHTER
0:16:29 > 0:16:33Alf was a bit more of a complex character
0:16:33 > 0:16:36than I think he wanted people to know.
0:16:36 > 0:16:40I mean, first and foremost, he took elocution lessons
0:16:40 > 0:16:48cos he used to speak like me cos we come from the same manor, Dagenham.
0:16:48 > 0:16:50- You come from a working-class home...- Good stock.
0:16:50 > 0:16:53Good stock, a working-class home from the east side of London,
0:16:53 > 0:16:55- I'll put it that way. - I'm not ashamed of that.
0:16:55 > 0:16:57- I have got nothing to be ashamed of. - Of course.
0:16:57 > 0:17:01When I knew him, he was a Cockney, but when he was England manager,
0:17:01 > 0:17:04he used to talk like the Duke of Edinburgh.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06I used to say to him, "Didn't you used to be a Cockney?"
0:17:06 > 0:17:09He used to say to me, "..off!" You know?
0:17:09 > 0:17:15When he was with the team, that's when he was at his happiest
0:17:15 > 0:17:17and when he relaxed,
0:17:17 > 0:17:25but he wouldn't be once he had to put the hat on as "I'm the boss".
0:17:26 > 0:17:29When I left the Ipswich Town Football Club
0:17:29 > 0:17:31to become the England team manager,
0:17:31 > 0:17:34I found it a very difficult position to accept.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39Mainly because I was not involved
0:17:39 > 0:17:41and connected with players every day.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44With the England team, you might see them once a month,
0:17:44 > 0:17:46you might see them once every two months,
0:17:46 > 0:17:47and I missed it. I missed it terribly.
0:17:47 > 0:17:54He thought, first and always, that football was a team game
0:17:54 > 0:17:59and he tried to fit round pegs into round holes.
0:17:59 > 0:18:05He did a simple plan with guys that worked extremely hard.
0:18:05 > 0:18:06Jump!
0:18:06 > 0:18:09And very good players, you had excellent players,
0:18:09 > 0:18:11right throughout the squad.
0:18:11 > 0:18:12Right through the squad.
0:18:12 > 0:18:13I know my father felt this,
0:18:13 > 0:18:17that England had five world-class players -
0:18:17 > 0:18:20Gordon Banks, Ray Wilson, Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton
0:18:20 > 0:18:21and Jimmy Greaves.
0:18:21 > 0:18:25And he surrounded those players with the people that
0:18:25 > 0:18:28were going to help them be world-class at that stage.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31There was a story about Sir Alf Ramsey and little Alan Ball
0:18:31 > 0:18:33and Nobby Stiles...
0:18:33 > 0:18:37The story goes, and it is a true story, that Sir Alf Ramsey
0:18:37 > 0:18:38took them out into a park.
0:18:38 > 0:18:43He said... It was after training and he called him and Norbert -
0:18:43 > 0:18:45that's what he called Nobby.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47Sir Alf Ramsey's best mate was there with a dog,
0:18:47 > 0:18:51and the dog had a stick between its teeth
0:18:51 > 0:18:54and Sir Alf took the stick off the dog
0:18:54 > 0:18:57and threw it and the dog chased after it and brought it back.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00"Great," he said. "What does the dog do?"
0:19:00 > 0:19:03He said, "The dog, Alf, runs, gets the ball, brings it back
0:19:03 > 0:19:04"and puts it at me feet."
0:19:04 > 0:19:05He said, "Marvellous,
0:19:05 > 0:19:09"cos that's what I want you to do for Bobby Charlton."
0:19:09 > 0:19:12And him and Nobby said... They looked at each other and went,
0:19:12 > 0:19:13"Easy, no problem."
0:19:13 > 0:19:15"Win the ball back, give it to Bobby Charlton,
0:19:15 > 0:19:18"and we'll win the game," virtually. And that was it.
0:19:18 > 0:19:21People like...Nobby Stiles,
0:19:21 > 0:19:24my brother, Jack, they weren't what you would call
0:19:24 > 0:19:26classical players,
0:19:26 > 0:19:28there was a question mark.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32My selection.. In the team he picked,
0:19:32 > 0:19:33I wasn't a high-profile player
0:19:33 > 0:19:37and I would say the same for maybe Nobby Stiles.
0:19:37 > 0:19:40I would say the same for Jack Charlton.
0:19:40 > 0:19:41Possibly George Cohen.
0:19:41 > 0:19:43Heave! And down!
0:19:43 > 0:19:45Lovely Jack Charlton story, which actually summed us up...
0:19:45 > 0:19:48And Jack was nearly 30, which is quite ancient, I guess,
0:19:48 > 0:19:50to be selected for England for the first time.
0:19:50 > 0:19:52So Jack, being interested in coaching
0:19:52 > 0:19:57and all these sorts of things, asked Alf, "Why are you picking me now?"
0:19:57 > 0:20:01Sir Alf said, "My dear Jack, I am choosing and picking
0:20:01 > 0:20:06"and building a team, so I don't always choose the best players."
0:20:06 > 0:20:09Now, I don't know whether Jack was looking for a pat on the back,
0:20:09 > 0:20:12but he got a slap round the face on that, but...
0:20:12 > 0:20:15We were listening at the side and we could hear this.
0:20:15 > 0:20:18But Jack tells it absolutely beautifully.
0:20:18 > 0:20:20He said, "And you fit the pattern that I have in me mind
0:20:20 > 0:20:22"in the way I want the team to play."
0:20:22 > 0:20:25In other words, he didn't pick the best players,
0:20:25 > 0:20:27and he always admitted he never picked the best players
0:20:27 > 0:20:29at the time, he picked the people to fit
0:20:29 > 0:20:32the pattern of the game that he wanted us to play,
0:20:32 > 0:20:35which I think is a very sensible way of picking a team.
0:20:35 > 0:20:39I believe it was a way of putting Jack down at the same time!
0:20:39 > 0:20:44Cos Jack could be a bit lively and I think that was Alf's way of saying,
0:20:44 > 0:20:48"You're not the greatest footballer in the world, Jack, shut up."
0:20:50 > 0:20:54As much as the South provided the setting for England's cup campaign,
0:20:54 > 0:20:58it was the North and one pit village in particular
0:20:58 > 0:21:00that would provide the spirit of the team.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05I was so proud of Bobby and Jackie Charlton.
0:21:05 > 0:21:07One son who's the star
0:21:07 > 0:21:11and the other one's hard and coming up the hard way,
0:21:11 > 0:21:13you know, like Jackie had to.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16And then you see them walk out of the tunnel playing for England,
0:21:16 > 0:21:18that was the happiest day of me life.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20One had reached the other then.
0:21:22 > 0:21:26It's only when you try to get your head round the adversity
0:21:26 > 0:21:31that the family faced, that you begin to understand their passion.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34Mum, Cissie Milburn,
0:21:34 > 0:21:38well, she came from a famous football family herself.
0:21:38 > 0:21:41She watched as her sons, Jack and Bobby,
0:21:41 > 0:21:44went off to backbreaking work at the pit, or...
0:21:44 > 0:21:46almost to an early grave.
0:21:46 > 0:21:48Here is the news.
0:21:48 > 0:21:51So far, we know there are 23 survivors after
0:21:51 > 0:21:55Manchester United's air crash at Munich this afternoon.
0:21:55 > 0:21:57- I'd like to say a few words to me mother, I hope she's OK.- Yes.
0:21:57 > 0:22:00- And taking it well. - Look at her while you're doing it.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02She hasn't been down to see me, you know,
0:22:02 > 0:22:04- but it's a bit of a long way and I'm all right.- I know.
0:22:04 > 0:22:06I could have been a bit worse off like some of the others.
0:22:06 > 0:22:10Bobby lost eight of his Manchester United team-mates
0:22:10 > 0:22:13in the 1958 Munich air disaster.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16He was all of 20 years old.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19He, like his brother, Jack, were the kind of men
0:22:19 > 0:22:23that Alf wanted to make up his final squad of 22 -
0:22:23 > 0:22:26strong, dependable and loyal.
0:22:27 > 0:22:29'The England players arrived in good mood,
0:22:29 > 0:22:32'roused by the confident words of their manager, Mr Ramsey.
0:22:32 > 0:22:34'On top of the world, they seem,
0:22:34 > 0:22:38'with Bobby Moore ready to lead them to their first success.'
0:22:39 > 0:22:42The biggest thing I think that I felt was that Bobby,
0:22:42 > 0:22:46about 18 months before, in November '64,
0:22:46 > 0:22:49had been diagnosed with testicular cancer.
0:22:49 > 0:22:52We didn't know if he was going to ever play again.
0:22:52 > 0:22:54We didn't know if he was going to live or die, come to that,
0:22:54 > 0:23:00but to see this man fight to get back into the team and get fit
0:23:00 > 0:23:04and overcome the terrible, terrible mental scars that he must have had
0:23:04 > 0:23:07because, I mean, he felt it affected him as a man.
0:23:07 > 0:23:10His living, his whole life was turned upside down...
0:23:10 > 0:23:13And then to see him go out captaining England
0:23:13 > 0:23:15during the World Cup,
0:23:15 > 0:23:16it was like..."Wow."
0:23:16 > 0:23:18It was time to deliver.
0:23:18 > 0:23:23It now gives me great pleasure to declare open the eighth
0:23:23 > 0:23:26World Football Championships.
0:23:26 > 0:23:28TRUMPET FANFARE
0:23:31 > 0:23:34When we played, there was no such thing
0:23:34 > 0:23:36as a friendly.
0:23:36 > 0:23:39You know, internationals, getting beat off another country,
0:23:39 > 0:23:41you're playing for England...
0:23:41 > 0:23:42That was unheard of.
0:23:44 > 0:23:48- COMMENTATOR:- Bobby Charlton... Oh, and the goalkeeper...
0:23:48 > 0:23:50You were proud because of one reason -
0:23:50 > 0:23:53all them boys that you kicked a ball about with
0:23:53 > 0:23:55when you were a little lad,
0:23:55 > 0:23:59you know, they would have LOVED to have been in our position.
0:23:59 > 0:24:03I know with Bobby, he was so unbelievably proud.
0:24:03 > 0:24:06He loved the big occasion, he loved playing for his country.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09He was so thrilled to be captain of England.
0:24:09 > 0:24:12We knew how we were going to win the World Cup, and then,
0:24:12 > 0:24:16when everybody was really, really happy,
0:24:16 > 0:24:19it was a bit of a damp squib - we didn't win the opening match.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21"Oh!"
0:24:22 > 0:24:25- COMMENTATOR: - It's a corner to England...
0:24:25 > 0:24:27- REFEREE BLOWS WHISTLE - Dying seconds...
0:24:27 > 0:24:30And the whistle has gone, it's all over.
0:24:30 > 0:24:32- It is all over. - CROWD BOOS
0:24:32 > 0:24:36Uruguayans are as happy as sandboys with that result.
0:24:36 > 0:24:38They booed because they were
0:24:38 > 0:24:42very disappointed that we finished up with a goalless draw.
0:24:42 > 0:24:45All the headlines were, you know, "England flop."
0:24:45 > 0:24:49'But, oh, how the moods of the moment change in this game of ours.
0:24:49 > 0:24:52'Oh, how quickly the world seems to spin over.'
0:24:54 > 0:24:57With the bad draw and the press being what they are,
0:24:57 > 0:24:59they slaughtered us.
0:24:59 > 0:25:02Do you expect to qualify now?
0:25:02 > 0:25:05- We make England and Uruguay first. - First?
0:25:05 > 0:25:07'So, the mood of the moment favours Uruguay.'
0:25:09 > 0:25:13It was the best thing, probably, that happened to us.
0:25:13 > 0:25:14We got shook up badly,
0:25:14 > 0:25:17we were maybe thinking that we were a little bit better
0:25:17 > 0:25:20than other people thought.
0:25:20 > 0:25:24Others certainly DID have an opinion on what Alf should be doing.
0:25:24 > 0:25:27It led to a difficult relationship with the press.
0:25:27 > 0:25:31- He didn't have a relationship... - HE CHUCKLES
0:25:32 > 0:25:37That's a bit unfair, I guess, but it was a difficult one,
0:25:37 > 0:25:40very difficult one.
0:25:40 > 0:25:44But I think Alf's policy was to keep everybody guessing.
0:25:44 > 0:25:47Are you going to cling to the idea of using a true winger, Mr Ramsey?
0:25:47 > 0:25:50I suggest you wait and see until the next team is selected.
0:25:50 > 0:25:53I mean, he could be bloody-minded, Alf.
0:25:53 > 0:25:54I suppose he might have thought,
0:25:54 > 0:25:57"This is a way of getting back at the press.
0:25:57 > 0:25:59"Sod 'em, let 'em wait." You know?
0:25:59 > 0:26:03We had to try and explain to the foreign journalists that we had
0:26:03 > 0:26:07to live with this, so unfortunately, they'd have to live with it.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09Cos they used to get onto us and say,
0:26:09 > 0:26:14"Can't you have a word with him?" and, "No, we can't, it's...
0:26:15 > 0:26:17"You'll just have to put up with it."
0:26:17 > 0:26:22You couldn't tell if he was angry, happy, upset, emotional,
0:26:22 > 0:26:23miserable, whatever.
0:26:23 > 0:26:26He was just Alf, stone face.
0:26:26 > 0:26:29The trouble was, Alf hadn't even made up his own mind.
0:26:29 > 0:26:30In Jimmy Greaves,
0:26:30 > 0:26:34he had one of the best forwards in the world at his disposal,
0:26:34 > 0:26:38but readily admitted his mind wasn't made up on his striking duo.
0:26:38 > 0:26:41I certainly didn't feel that I'd have a chance of playing,
0:26:41 > 0:26:43absolutely not.
0:26:43 > 0:26:45The team did well, the team got a point.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47We had a lot more to do.
0:26:47 > 0:26:51Against Mexico, the stakes could not have been higher.
0:26:51 > 0:26:55England needed a win, and that meant goals.
0:26:55 > 0:27:00He wanted to play with wide players and it didn't really come off
0:27:00 > 0:27:03to the extent that he had hoped it would, and which is very difficult.
0:27:03 > 0:27:05Now you're thinking to yourself,
0:27:05 > 0:27:07"Well, we're not getting this right."
0:27:07 > 0:27:10Both teams had drawn their previous games and this was England's chance
0:27:10 > 0:27:13to prove they could pierce the Latin Americans'...
0:27:13 > 0:27:16No-one was really coming forward and playing very well.
0:27:16 > 0:27:23And Martin Peters, who certainly would not have expected to
0:27:23 > 0:27:27have been in the line-up, came in as a midfield player.
0:27:28 > 0:27:31And Alan Ball was in and out of the side,
0:27:31 > 0:27:34he played the first game, Alan, and got dropped.
0:27:34 > 0:27:38So, it wasn't a foregone conclusion
0:27:38 > 0:27:42as to how Alf was going to play this.
0:27:42 > 0:27:44I think, to be honest, he winged it.
0:27:44 > 0:27:46CROWD YELLS
0:27:46 > 0:27:48The Mexicans were defending,
0:27:48 > 0:27:51but there was space in between, and I got the ball and I carried it.
0:27:51 > 0:27:54- COMMENTATOR:- Now it's Charlton, Bobby Charlton, Hunt on the right...
0:27:54 > 0:27:56What do you think about Bobby Charlton?
0:27:56 > 0:27:58We all think that he is a great player.
0:27:58 > 0:28:00He is one of the world's greatest players.
0:28:00 > 0:28:03Also, he is a very dangerous player who can win any match with one shot.
0:28:04 > 0:28:06He could switch a game from...
0:28:06 > 0:28:09In fact, sometimes it didn't work out very well
0:28:09 > 0:28:13because you'd be over here and he'd sort of do a dummy and switch the...
0:28:13 > 0:28:17You'd think, "Thanks, Bob." You've got to run all of 40 yards now...
0:28:17 > 0:28:20In my opinion, in 1966, in the World Cup,
0:28:20 > 0:28:22he was the best player in the world.
0:28:22 > 0:28:25So fit, it was very, very difficult to stop him.
0:28:25 > 0:28:27Great finisher, great finisher.
0:28:29 > 0:28:31The ball just was running smoothly.
0:28:31 > 0:28:32Glided over the pitch.
0:28:32 > 0:28:36If they're not careful, I'm going to be close enough to shoot.
0:28:36 > 0:28:38- COMMENTATOR: - Maybe a shot from Charlton...
0:28:38 > 0:28:39And I smashed it.
0:28:39 > 0:28:41- It's worth trying... - CROWD ERUPTS
0:28:41 > 0:28:43Great goal, what a beauty!
0:28:43 > 0:28:4530 yards, top corner!
0:28:47 > 0:28:48And smack!
0:28:51 > 0:28:53# England! #
0:28:53 > 0:28:56Afterwards, people used to tell me they wanted...
0:28:56 > 0:29:00They wanted to back us, but they needed a little bit of something,
0:29:00 > 0:29:05you know, and they said, "This goal just sort of got us on a path."
0:29:05 > 0:29:08Unless you actually went to football,
0:29:08 > 0:29:11and I was very lucky that my dad took me and I knew about it,
0:29:11 > 0:29:15and I so appreciate the fact that he took me, even though I was a girl...
0:29:15 > 0:29:18But they were just a team, they were the English team,
0:29:18 > 0:29:19they were England.
0:29:19 > 0:29:22But I think everybody, once they won, everyone went...
0:29:22 > 0:29:26sat up and thought, "Hello. These must be really good players.
0:29:26 > 0:29:29"Who are they? Let's find out."
0:29:29 > 0:29:32- COMMENTATOR: - Charlton trying to tempt them out.
0:29:32 > 0:29:34And it's Greaves, there's a chance...
0:29:34 > 0:29:37Hunt will put it in... Yes!
0:29:37 > 0:29:40I had an easy job, really, to just side-foot it into the net.
0:29:40 > 0:29:42But Jimmy Greaves had made that goal.
0:29:44 > 0:29:46Good evening.
0:29:46 > 0:29:48Well, that goal by Bobby Charlton against Mexico tonight
0:29:48 > 0:29:50really was perhaps the most important goal
0:29:50 > 0:29:53of the whole of this 1966 World Cup competition.
0:29:53 > 0:29:55Well, let's start with you, Joe. Happy about all this?
0:29:55 > 0:29:57The Charlton goal, of course, was a dream.
0:29:57 > 0:30:00I feel personally that either a Greaves or a Hunt should be
0:30:00 > 0:30:05a taller man, over six feet or six feet, and very good in the air,
0:30:05 > 0:30:07because with packed defences, this is one of the ways
0:30:07 > 0:30:10in which you can get goals against them, even if they do crowd you.
0:30:10 > 0:30:13England's blood was up.
0:30:13 > 0:30:15A good win in the next game
0:30:15 > 0:30:17would see the boys into the quarterfinals,
0:30:17 > 0:30:20and speculation was rife about
0:30:20 > 0:30:24who did or did not deserve to be part of this great adventure.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29Two roommates would become crucial in Alf's struggle for control
0:30:29 > 0:30:31of England's destiny.
0:30:32 > 0:30:34- COMMENTATOR:- Stiles...
0:30:36 > 0:30:39Greaves... In comes Jack Charlton...
0:30:39 > 0:30:40And...
0:30:40 > 0:30:42To Alf, Nobby and young Alan Ball
0:30:42 > 0:30:46were vital organs in the body of his team.
0:30:46 > 0:30:50If Bobby Moore was its head, then they were its heart.
0:30:50 > 0:30:55But Nobby's heart was that of a lion that sometimes roared too loud.
0:30:55 > 0:30:58And that is Simon... He's rolling in agony.
0:31:02 > 0:31:04And I went for the tackle and he was slipping...
0:31:04 > 0:31:06He was a good player and I was committed
0:31:06 > 0:31:09and he had knocked it and I couldn't stop, and I hit him.
0:31:09 > 0:31:11- COMMENTATOR: - Number 20 for England is Callaghan.
0:31:12 > 0:31:16- And Hunt! A goal! - CROWD ROARS
0:31:17 > 0:31:20And the French don't like that
0:31:20 > 0:31:22because they say they had a man injured.
0:31:22 > 0:31:23The referee is quite right.
0:31:25 > 0:31:31And there's...the number 20, Simon...leaving the field.
0:31:31 > 0:31:35Now, this ends all hope for France, one man...
0:31:35 > 0:31:38It would be a card today, it was a nasty tackle,
0:31:38 > 0:31:43and it was suggested by one or two of the FA International Committee
0:31:43 > 0:31:46that Alf might think about or might even be told to drop Nobby.
0:31:46 > 0:31:48A lot of muttering going on about Stiles,
0:31:48 > 0:31:51and whether Stiles is an England player or not. Billy.
0:31:51 > 0:31:54I don't think he's playing well enough to maintain the game...
0:31:54 > 0:31:57You know, his position in the side.
0:31:57 > 0:32:00A player like that is rated on how nice it is to play against him,
0:32:00 > 0:32:03and I don't know of any forward who can look forward
0:32:03 > 0:32:06to playing against Nobby Stiles.
0:32:06 > 0:32:07Oh, he was there for a reason.
0:32:07 > 0:32:10But he doesn't get the credit he deserves, you know.
0:32:10 > 0:32:14Nobby Stiles was a very, very good footballer, you know.
0:32:14 > 0:32:16Everybody thinks Nobby was stuck in there,
0:32:16 > 0:32:20and he was, to win it, because Nobby was very quick.
0:32:20 > 0:32:22Afraid of no man,
0:32:22 > 0:32:25no matter what size they were, he would get into them.
0:32:25 > 0:32:27I mean, I got hammered off the press,
0:32:27 > 0:32:31I got hammered off the first time they had a panel, and...
0:32:31 > 0:32:33on the Thursday, when we were training,
0:32:33 > 0:32:36I was just going through the motions when we were playing a five-a-side
0:32:36 > 0:32:39and whatever, cos it was always great fun with England.
0:32:39 > 0:32:42And...Alf pulled me to one side and said...
0:32:42 > 0:32:44"Nobby, did you mean to do that?"
0:32:44 > 0:32:48- And I said, "No, I didn't mean it." - "That'll do for me. You're playing."
0:32:48 > 0:32:51That was great, those three days. There was no worry,
0:32:51 > 0:32:53there were no pressures on me, and I went...
0:32:53 > 0:32:55Going along that morning...
0:32:55 > 0:32:57Funny enough, I think the British are the same,
0:32:57 > 0:32:58they're always the same.
0:32:58 > 0:33:01When your backs are to the wall, the crowds were brilliant.
0:33:01 > 0:33:04As we're driving along, it was, "Nobby for Prime Minister," you know.
0:33:04 > 0:33:07"You show 'em," and, "Bugger the panel," and all this type of stuff.
0:33:07 > 0:33:08It was great.
0:33:08 > 0:33:11I totally fell in love with Nobby Stiles.
0:33:13 > 0:33:17And he used to take his teeth out when he played!
0:33:17 > 0:33:20And he was such a wonderful, wonderful character.
0:33:20 > 0:33:22I think everybody fell in love with him.
0:33:22 > 0:33:25Do you have any injury problems after tonight's match?
0:33:25 > 0:33:27Yes, Greaves will have to be stitched
0:33:27 > 0:33:30on our return to the hotel...
0:33:30 > 0:33:34Alf had confounded his critics at Ipswich by breaking
0:33:34 > 0:33:37the traditional mould of the English play.
0:33:37 > 0:33:40- COMMENTATOR:- The two backs are coming up to make extra forwards.
0:33:40 > 0:33:42With England, it developed into,
0:33:42 > 0:33:46uh, the so-called "Wingless Wonders".
0:33:46 > 0:33:49The first three games he played a natural winger.
0:33:49 > 0:33:51He gave Terry Paine a game, he gave Ian Callaghan a game,
0:33:51 > 0:33:53and he gave John Connelly a game.
0:33:53 > 0:33:56So, it wasn't written in the stars that he was going to play that way
0:33:56 > 0:33:59and then, of course, Greavsie got injured.
0:33:59 > 0:34:03In fact, Greaves has had two stitches in that wound
0:34:03 > 0:34:04and it's too early to say
0:34:04 > 0:34:08whether he will be fit to play on Saturday against Argentina.
0:34:08 > 0:34:09Dad said he was a genius.
0:34:09 > 0:34:11He said he was so far ahead of his time...
0:34:11 > 0:34:13He said when we played against Spain,
0:34:13 > 0:34:16we were going to play this system with the wingers withdrawn.
0:34:16 > 0:34:18He said Spain were a good side, but they won convincingly,
0:34:18 > 0:34:21and Dad said it could have been six or seven.
0:34:21 > 0:34:23And they couldn't understand how they got beat.
0:34:23 > 0:34:24And the next time...
0:34:24 > 0:34:28Dad said the next time Alf used that formation was against Argentina.
0:34:28 > 0:34:31He put it away.
0:34:31 > 0:34:35'Football was introduced to Argentina by Thomas Hogg, an Englishman.
0:34:35 > 0:34:39'So the present squad are looking forward to playing in England.'
0:34:39 > 0:34:43It's tempting to judge the events from half a century ago
0:34:43 > 0:34:47through modern eyes, but the attitudes of players
0:34:47 > 0:34:50and the public alike were very different.
0:34:50 > 0:34:51Hm!
0:34:51 > 0:34:55Especially from countries where the temperaments were...
0:34:55 > 0:34:57difficult to comprehend.
0:34:57 > 0:34:59Oh, even then!
0:34:59 > 0:35:02- COMMENTATOR:- It's an incident and a penalty.
0:35:02 > 0:35:06A very brave decision by the referee on this Buenos Aires ground.
0:35:07 > 0:35:10- CROWD ROARS - There's a rebound, Boca scores.
0:35:10 > 0:35:12There's an appeal by the River Plate team,
0:35:12 > 0:35:13but the referee lets it stand, and...
0:35:13 > 0:35:16onto the pitch come the photographers.
0:35:16 > 0:35:20The linesman in a little bit of trouble with the spectators.
0:35:20 > 0:35:22More policemen than you can imagine...
0:35:22 > 0:35:24I wonder whether we shall see scenes like this
0:35:24 > 0:35:26repeated at Villa Park or Hillsborough?
0:35:28 > 0:35:33It was a bit more of a man's game in those days than it is now.
0:35:35 > 0:35:38You don't get the weeping and wailing.
0:35:38 > 0:35:41- COMMENTATOR:- Antonio Rattin, one of the greatest players in the world...
0:35:41 > 0:35:45The tactics used by Argentina in the quarterfinals were to make
0:35:45 > 0:35:48Nobby's misdemeanours pale in comparison.
0:35:48 > 0:35:50CROWD BOOS
0:35:50 > 0:35:52- COMMENTATOR:- And England appealing for a penalty.
0:35:54 > 0:35:56And that's Rattin.
0:35:56 > 0:35:57In and...
0:35:57 > 0:36:00Could he go off? He might well go off.
0:36:00 > 0:36:02It was the...
0:36:02 > 0:36:05What we called the snidey things that happened.
0:36:05 > 0:36:07You know, if you were... If an attack broke down
0:36:07 > 0:36:09and you were running back to your goal...you probably
0:36:09 > 0:36:13had your Achilles raked or something like that.
0:36:13 > 0:36:15And Rattin's in trouble... He's off!
0:36:15 > 0:36:17Rattin is sent off.
0:36:18 > 0:36:22That is the second Argentinean sent off in the competition.
0:36:22 > 0:36:25And Rattin, the captain, is sent off.
0:36:27 > 0:36:29And somebody wants them all to go off.
0:36:31 > 0:36:34Juan Carlos Lorenzo, the coach, is...
0:36:34 > 0:36:37thinking of approaching the touchline...
0:36:37 > 0:36:39And they're all going to go off, I think.
0:36:39 > 0:36:41If Rattin goes, they'll all go.
0:36:41 > 0:36:43One out, the lot out, I think.
0:36:43 > 0:36:44And...
0:36:44 > 0:36:47They didn't play well, and they didn't behave well,
0:36:47 > 0:36:52but that's the result of the way that the referee yesterday...
0:36:52 > 0:36:56There was a reaction against something that was absurd,
0:36:56 > 0:36:59ten minutes after the match started, our captain,
0:36:59 > 0:37:02one of our best players, has been sent off the field.
0:37:02 > 0:37:06In the dustup that followed Rattin's sending-off,
0:37:06 > 0:37:09the Argentines played on and lost.
0:37:09 > 0:37:13Geoff came in after three games, when Jimmy Greaves got injured.
0:37:13 > 0:37:18In fact, we gave them a West Ham goal, because I knew exactly where
0:37:18 > 0:37:23Geoff would be when I crossed it and Geoff came across and headed it in.
0:37:23 > 0:37:24And there's a goal!
0:37:26 > 0:37:29By number 10, Hurst from Peters.
0:37:29 > 0:37:32There's an appeal by the Argentinians.
0:37:32 > 0:37:35Even Banks is up congratulating Geoff Hurst.
0:37:37 > 0:37:41And the whistle has gone, England have won it.
0:37:41 > 0:37:44England are in the semifinal of the World Cup.
0:37:44 > 0:37:47There is the goal scorer, Geoff Hurst.
0:37:47 > 0:37:51It's the only time I saw him get really annoyed...was when...
0:37:51 > 0:37:53After we beat Argentina, you know,
0:37:53 > 0:37:57people were talking about changing shirts and he was...
0:37:57 > 0:37:59"We're not having that," you know.
0:37:59 > 0:38:01I'm not going to tell you what he said, but he said,
0:38:01 > 0:38:05"You're not changing your shirt with this so-and-so," and, of course...
0:38:05 > 0:38:09I'm trying to get it back, Rodriguez is trying to get it that way,
0:38:09 > 0:38:12and I ended up with a shirt with an arm about four-feet long, you know.
0:38:12 > 0:38:15A chair came through the glass panel window,
0:38:15 > 0:38:18they wanted to fight us in the tunnel, and all he said to us was,
0:38:18 > 0:38:21"Look, I've had a word with the officials," this does not
0:38:21 > 0:38:22go out of this room.
0:38:22 > 0:38:25He says, "All you lads have got to remember is
0:38:25 > 0:38:27"they are on the plane home tomorrow,
0:38:27 > 0:38:29"you're in the semifinal of the World Cup."
0:38:29 > 0:38:30He says, "Just leave it."
0:38:30 > 0:38:33We are afraid of no-one, no matter where we play...
0:38:35 > 0:38:40We have still to produce our best, and this best is not possible
0:38:40 > 0:38:44until we meet the right type of opposition, and that is the team
0:38:44 > 0:38:50that comes out to play football and not act as animals.
0:38:50 > 0:38:53Very strong words in that interview, with Alf Ramsey there,
0:38:53 > 0:38:57about the Argentine team players, calling them animals.
0:38:57 > 0:39:02Well... I believe that Mr Ramsey didn't behave properly.
0:39:02 > 0:39:05So unusual for Alf Ramsey to come out with this, I think
0:39:05 > 0:39:07this is the exceptional thing.
0:39:07 > 0:39:10Alf, you know, doesn't commit himself to these types of outbursts.
0:39:10 > 0:39:14I'm not asking to punish him, but judge him, at least.
0:39:14 > 0:39:15The statement issued tonight
0:39:15 > 0:39:17says that in the opinion of the committee,
0:39:17 > 0:39:19such remarks do not foster goodwill
0:39:19 > 0:39:22and international relations in football.
0:39:22 > 0:39:25The committee desire the Football Association to take
0:39:25 > 0:39:27appropriate disciplinary measures.
0:39:28 > 0:39:31For Alf to have to apologise to any foreigner would be...
0:39:32 > 0:39:35It would be difficult, he was totally...
0:39:35 > 0:39:39I think he went to bed with a Union Jack around him.
0:39:39 > 0:39:41That's how English he was.
0:39:41 > 0:39:45MUSIC: World Cup Willy by Lonnie Donegan
0:39:46 > 0:39:49My main task is to get them together as a team, and probably
0:39:49 > 0:39:53the most important thing - that they are playing for England.
0:39:58 > 0:40:00The '60s were very, very special.
0:40:00 > 0:40:03I mean, it was like the happening era.
0:40:03 > 0:40:07If I were to go back, I would probably plop back there
0:40:07 > 0:40:12and relive the experience because it was so exciting.
0:40:12 > 0:40:19The Beatles and the music scene, and then there was the pill and tights!
0:40:20 > 0:40:22It was a really fun time to be young,
0:40:22 > 0:40:26and, I mean, it was the miniskirt and the crepe boots
0:40:26 > 0:40:29and Vidal Sassoon came out with the geometric haircut.
0:40:29 > 0:40:33I was doing Ready Steady Go! and all that, and things like that,
0:40:33 > 0:40:35Thank Your Lucky Stars, and we were all having a great time.
0:40:35 > 0:40:39And Bobby got me tickets for every game.
0:40:39 > 0:40:41They started to do features on the players and their wives
0:40:41 > 0:40:43and their children, their families,
0:40:43 > 0:40:46and the game of football had become so glamorous.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53And the other thing, of course, which put it on the front pages,
0:40:53 > 0:40:56was not the football, or Alf Ramsey's team selection.
0:40:56 > 0:41:00It was the fact that the trophy had been stolen from
0:41:00 > 0:41:03Westminster Central Hall in an exhibition
0:41:03 > 0:41:06and, "Well, we've lost the World Cup already, we're not even in it yet."
0:41:06 > 0:41:09Well, of course, it was found, as everybody knows,
0:41:09 > 0:41:12in the undergrowth in south-east London by a dog called Pickles,
0:41:12 > 0:41:15who has remained famous ever since.
0:41:15 > 0:41:18It was hilarious. An absolute gem of story, isn't it,
0:41:18 > 0:41:20that they should find it in the back yard of somewhere
0:41:20 > 0:41:22and the dog brings it back?
0:41:25 > 0:41:28The country hadn't gone wild before the World Cup very much,
0:41:28 > 0:41:31nobody knew quite what to expect, we'd never had one before.
0:41:31 > 0:41:33I don't remember there being that many flags out
0:41:33 > 0:41:36until England started to do well.
0:41:36 > 0:41:39People thought, "Oh, the first game, England opening the World Cup."
0:41:39 > 0:41:42You could walk up to Wembley and buy a ticket on the night.
0:41:42 > 0:41:44It wasn't even a sell-out.
0:41:44 > 0:41:45So that's how long it took
0:41:45 > 0:41:48for the World Cup to grip people's imagination.
0:41:50 > 0:41:51But when it did, it did.
0:41:57 > 0:42:02Helped by a massive TV and press campaign, the visiting teams
0:42:02 > 0:42:06and their poster boys found themselves at the centre
0:42:06 > 0:42:09of a phenomenon taking hold of the viewing public
0:42:09 > 0:42:11right across the world.
0:42:11 > 0:42:15Everybody wants to speak to Pele, photographers crowd round him,
0:42:15 > 0:42:17journalists crowd round him.
0:42:17 > 0:42:19He is pushed, he's harried, but still he keeps that
0:42:19 > 0:42:22smile on his face, still he will answer anybody's questions
0:42:22 > 0:42:24HE SPEAKS PORTUGUESE
0:42:24 > 0:42:26He's only seen the goals of the Mexico-France game.
0:42:26 > 0:42:28He hasn't seen anything else, he says.
0:42:28 > 0:42:31- LAUGHTER - Thank you very much.
0:42:31 > 0:42:34The Lymm Hotel, which we considered so posh,
0:42:34 > 0:42:36you'd never dream of walking through the gates,
0:42:36 > 0:42:40people were wandering in just to go to the loo, hoping they might...
0:42:40 > 0:42:42LAUGHTER
0:42:42 > 0:42:44..cop off with a player.
0:42:44 > 0:42:48But it wasn't like now, there weren't Wags, there was
0:42:48 > 0:42:50none of that.
0:42:50 > 0:42:53It was just that they were famous and it was exciting
0:42:53 > 0:42:57because it was so real, it brought it to your doorstep.
0:42:57 > 0:43:01People not used to being in the spotlight found their lives,
0:43:01 > 0:43:06habits, even their meals be examined and broadcast.
0:43:06 > 0:43:09Now, he used to be a drummer in a dance band,
0:43:09 > 0:43:11now he's termed to be a masseur.
0:43:11 > 0:43:13Now, Mario, can you speak any English at all?
0:43:13 > 0:43:16No speaky, more or less...
0:43:16 > 0:43:18LAUGHTER
0:43:18 > 0:43:19Pele, of course,
0:43:19 > 0:43:22had been kicked out of the World Cup by the Portuguese.
0:43:22 > 0:43:25Again fouled... I thought, twice, actually.
0:43:25 > 0:43:27The referee let it go the first time.
0:43:27 > 0:43:29The tackling on Pele was brutal.
0:43:29 > 0:43:32I mean, there would have been red cards all over the place these days.
0:43:32 > 0:43:35The Portuguese got rid of him very quickly.
0:43:35 > 0:43:38Which was one of the worst fouls I've seen in my life.
0:43:38 > 0:43:40I don't even think he got booked, the guy,
0:43:40 > 0:43:43he just crippled him for about eight weeks...
0:43:43 > 0:43:45This, a really sad sight.
0:43:45 > 0:43:47The world's greatest footballer off the pitch.
0:43:47 > 0:43:51The North Koreans found themselves in the middle of a media storm
0:43:51 > 0:43:54after first sending Italy home
0:43:54 > 0:43:56and then going 3-0 up against Portugal.
0:43:58 > 0:44:00He must score, he must score!
0:44:00 > 0:44:02Well, this is ridiculous...
0:44:02 > 0:44:05The Portuguese are torn apart.
0:44:05 > 0:44:08And no-one could believe it, Portugal were just on the ropes,
0:44:08 > 0:44:10and Eusebio revived them.
0:44:10 > 0:44:12Eusebio... Number three.
0:44:12 > 0:44:16He scored four, I think, in that game, they won 5-3.
0:44:16 > 0:44:19Now, from then on, people were into it.
0:44:21 > 0:44:25The only people not partying were Alf's band of brothers.
0:44:25 > 0:44:27But at least they were all in it together.
0:44:27 > 0:44:30Oh, dear!
0:44:30 > 0:44:32There was no cliques.
0:44:32 > 0:44:37On the odd night out that we had, which wasn't very often...
0:44:37 > 0:44:41If you could sneak a couple of hours somewhere,
0:44:41 > 0:44:42it would be anybody.
0:44:42 > 0:44:45Everybody got on so well, there was nobody who stood out,
0:44:45 > 0:44:48who thought they were better than anybody else or whatever.
0:44:48 > 0:44:51And I think that's one of the reasons Alf Ramsey picked that...
0:44:51 > 0:44:54You know, there was no what I call prima donnas.
0:44:54 > 0:45:00We were all together. You touched one of us, you touched us all.
0:45:00 > 0:45:04Whoever could escape, did. Whoever went over the wall,
0:45:04 > 0:45:07"Come on, over we go, lads."
0:45:07 > 0:45:09It's been most helpful being together for so long.
0:45:09 > 0:45:10In the past England matches,
0:45:10 > 0:45:13we've only had one or two days to prepare for each game,
0:45:13 > 0:45:16but we've had a fortnight's hard training at Lilleshall,
0:45:16 > 0:45:18where we lived, ate and slept together.
0:45:18 > 0:45:21And we've virtually done the same for the last fortnight here.
0:45:21 > 0:45:23It's helped us to get to know one another much closer.
0:45:23 > 0:45:26Oh, Bobby and Jimmy were... Well, Bobby and all the boys...
0:45:26 > 0:45:29Bobby and fun were like one and the same thing.
0:45:29 > 0:45:32He and the boys used to get up to some real games.
0:45:32 > 0:45:34I'm not sure if I know them all, but...
0:45:34 > 0:45:36LAUGHTER
0:45:37 > 0:45:40We went to Pinewood Studios for a television interview.
0:45:40 > 0:45:43It was... James Bond was making this movie.
0:45:45 > 0:45:48That's right, Pinewood Studios, yeah...
0:45:48 > 0:45:52In fact, I've got a nice picture of Bobby, myself, Sean Connery
0:45:52 > 0:45:54and Yul Brynner.
0:45:55 > 0:45:59Again, it was Alf giving us a little change, you know what I mean?
0:45:59 > 0:46:01Rather than just...training
0:46:01 > 0:46:04and, you know, being beaten down and everything.
0:46:04 > 0:46:06Stuck in the hotel when we weren't training.
0:46:06 > 0:46:09He was giving us this little change.
0:46:10 > 0:46:12CHILDREN SHOUT AND CHEER
0:46:12 > 0:46:14They all knew their jobs, there was the foot soldiers
0:46:14 > 0:46:16and there was the generals.
0:46:16 > 0:46:18Bobby Charlton understood his responsibility,
0:46:18 > 0:46:21to create and be that great player he is.
0:46:21 > 0:46:23Bobby Moore knew his responsibility to captain
0:46:23 > 0:46:25and lead.
0:46:25 > 0:46:27And my dad and Nobby knew that they had to run around
0:46:27 > 0:46:31and snort and rat and fight and scrap and occasionally bite,
0:46:31 > 0:46:33as me dad would say about Nobby.
0:46:33 > 0:46:36And if everybody does their role together, then you have success.
0:46:36 > 0:46:38And that's what Alf made them believe.
0:46:38 > 0:46:41You need people round the dressing room who are funny,
0:46:41 > 0:46:43make you laugh...
0:46:43 > 0:46:45But you also need people who've got their feet on the ground,
0:46:45 > 0:46:48rock-solid, you know what I mean?
0:46:48 > 0:46:51And you look round to the right, or you look to the left,
0:46:51 > 0:46:54and you think, "Well, if we get in trouble, he's going to die for us."
0:46:54 > 0:46:58You know what I mean? You need those as well. And I think Alf did that.
0:46:59 > 0:47:03They weren't the only team taking time to bond.
0:47:03 > 0:47:06But really, the boys' opponents in the semifinal
0:47:06 > 0:47:09boiled down to one man and one style.
0:47:09 > 0:47:12Well, I don't think Portugal really know any other way to play
0:47:12 > 0:47:14than attacking-wise,
0:47:14 > 0:47:16with players in their side such as Eusebio,
0:47:16 > 0:47:19who everybody's talking about at the moment.
0:47:19 > 0:47:23Eusebio! Oh, my word!
0:47:23 > 0:47:26Have you ever seen anything like that?
0:47:26 > 0:47:29Eusebio, the European Footballer of the Year,
0:47:29 > 0:47:33and tonight has looked the greatest footballer in the world.
0:47:35 > 0:47:39It was very rarely Alf picked a particular man to mark,
0:47:39 > 0:47:41but that day he said, "Take him out."
0:47:41 > 0:47:44Apparently, me dad said, "Do you mean literally?"
0:47:44 > 0:47:48To which the reply was, "No, no, just take him out of the game."
0:47:48 > 0:47:51What exact orders did you give Nobby Stiles about dealing with Eusebio?
0:47:51 > 0:47:54Dealing with him? This is a bad word.
0:47:54 > 0:47:57You know, I have to watch the words that I use.
0:47:57 > 0:47:59On television and also to the press.
0:47:59 > 0:48:02Dealing with him - Nobby Stiles was instructed to play his normal game.
0:48:02 > 0:48:05About ten minutes in,
0:48:05 > 0:48:08Nobby's hit Eusebio with another absolutely crunching tackle.
0:48:08 > 0:48:11And the little Portuguese players come running over and pushed Nobby
0:48:11 > 0:48:14and said, "Stiles, you kick Eusebio one more time,
0:48:14 > 0:48:15"we kick your teeth in."
0:48:15 > 0:48:17And Nobby said, "You'll have a job, pal.
0:48:17 > 0:48:20"They're in a hanky in the dressing room."
0:48:20 > 0:48:22Yeah, he broke his heart, really, I think.
0:48:22 > 0:48:25The Portuguese players have been reported as saying after,
0:48:25 > 0:48:27they were disappointed, because Eusebio...
0:48:27 > 0:48:30he got disenchanted, he just couldn't get the better of my dad.
0:48:30 > 0:48:33He wouldn't give up, Dad, would he? One thing he'd never do is give up.
0:48:33 > 0:48:35Keep going and going and going.
0:48:35 > 0:48:38Nobby Stiles is a great player.
0:48:38 > 0:48:42And I'm proud that he is an Englishman, and I'm proud
0:48:42 > 0:48:43that he was in the England team.
0:48:46 > 0:48:50The trouble with having stars is that they have to shine.
0:48:50 > 0:48:52Alf didn't really believe in stardom.
0:48:52 > 0:48:54He believed in teamwork.
0:48:54 > 0:48:57And England's second goal in their 2-1 semifinal win
0:48:57 > 0:49:01would prove to be fateful for one of their best players
0:49:01 > 0:49:05and a new boy who didn't need to shine.
0:49:05 > 0:49:07Just to have a hand in the victory would be enough.
0:49:09 > 0:49:10Yes, I had more of a hand.
0:49:10 > 0:49:13I made it for him. What do you mean, I had a hand in it?
0:49:13 > 0:49:15I... Yes...
0:49:15 > 0:49:19I wasn't sure whether to shoot or not, and I saw Bobby coming in,
0:49:19 > 0:49:22and I just rolled it nicely in his path and he did the rest.
0:49:23 > 0:49:26That could be the goal that puts England in the final.
0:49:31 > 0:49:35England are in the final of the World Cup. It is all over.
0:49:35 > 0:49:38A great victory by England.
0:49:40 > 0:49:42Against magnificent opponents.
0:49:44 > 0:49:49So, no final for Eusebio, the tournament's top scorer.
0:49:51 > 0:49:54To have tried and failed to have reached the pinnacle
0:49:54 > 0:49:58must have been, well, crushing enough, but...
0:49:58 > 0:50:03to be denied the opportunity...
0:50:03 > 0:50:05What must that have felt like?
0:50:05 > 0:50:09Jim, things not quite going right for you up to now.
0:50:09 > 0:50:13No... Well... You know... It's not for the want of trying.
0:50:13 > 0:50:14Or preparation.
0:50:14 > 0:50:18It's just that the ball doesn't seem to be running right at the moment.
0:50:18 > 0:50:20But then, I think, looking at the World Cup,
0:50:20 > 0:50:23this is happening to a lot of players.
0:50:23 > 0:50:26- Were you at Wembley on Saturday night?- Yes.
0:50:26 > 0:50:29Did you hear any comments about Jimmy among the crowd?
0:50:29 > 0:50:32Well, they always have a go at Jimmy if doesn't score.
0:50:32 > 0:50:34You know, if he scores, they don't say anything.
0:50:41 > 0:50:43Jimmy Greaves, to me,
0:50:43 > 0:50:47was the best goal scorer that I have ever played against.
0:50:49 > 0:50:51He was a tremendous player.
0:50:51 > 0:50:53I can't tell you what a good player Jimmy Greaves was.
0:50:55 > 0:50:58Hurst... And a beautiful goal by Greaves.
0:50:59 > 0:51:03And probably the best finisher, I think, I have ever seen,
0:51:03 > 0:51:04I would say.
0:51:05 > 0:51:08There's a certain arrogance that is very hard to avoid
0:51:08 > 0:51:10if you are the best.
0:51:10 > 0:51:14I mean, it doesn't make you an easy man to manage. I mean,
0:51:14 > 0:51:18no-one could dislike Jimmy, no, he was too nice a guy, but...
0:51:18 > 0:51:21to Alf, he could be annoying.
0:51:23 > 0:51:28Jimmy was... He didn't really want to train hard.
0:51:28 > 0:51:31Because he didn't think he had to.
0:51:31 > 0:51:35He would jog round and he was... He was a comedian, he was funny.
0:51:37 > 0:51:39But he was a lovely man.
0:51:39 > 0:51:42But he had to learn to live with Alf, it wasn't easy.
0:51:42 > 0:51:46But there was a sort of armed neutrality between those two.
0:51:46 > 0:51:48They understood each other.
0:51:48 > 0:51:51And it may be that they were trying it,
0:51:51 > 0:51:54and Alf would push it a bit, Jimmy would push it a bit...
0:51:54 > 0:51:59Really, I don't think Jimmy's got a bad word to say about Alf.
0:51:59 > 0:52:03If he has, he's kept it to himself all these years.
0:52:03 > 0:52:07Unfortunately, I don't know if Jimmy was fit.
0:52:07 > 0:52:09I would rather like to think that he wasn't fit,
0:52:09 > 0:52:11because Jimmy was a great goal scorer,
0:52:11 > 0:52:13he was a fantastic goal scorer.
0:52:13 > 0:52:15But, unfortunately,
0:52:15 > 0:52:18I don't think he'd scored in the first three games he'd played.
0:52:23 > 0:52:27I knew I wasn't playing, cos...
0:52:27 > 0:52:32Harold Shepherdson, who I got on quite well with, sort of tipped me
0:52:32 > 0:52:37the wink, he didn't say I wasn't, but he more or less, you know...
0:52:37 > 0:52:39Er...
0:52:41 > 0:52:44He found a blend of two players.
0:52:44 > 0:52:47Which was Roger Hunt and Geoff Hurst.
0:52:47 > 0:52:50A different type of player,
0:52:50 > 0:52:53it wouldn't work with Jimmy, and Jimmy was the best goal scorer,
0:52:53 > 0:52:55without a shadow of a doubt.
0:52:55 > 0:52:58Jimmy was the best goal scorer - he was so unlucky.
0:53:00 > 0:53:04Poor old Jimmy, who was such a fantastic player,
0:53:04 > 0:53:06but tactically, Alf Ramsey thought
0:53:06 > 0:53:12we would be stronger if Geoff Hurst was brought into the team
0:53:12 > 0:53:16and he was going to be the target man.
0:53:16 > 0:53:19Alf made a big step.
0:53:19 > 0:53:23It turned to be an even bigger one than maybe he thought.
0:53:25 > 0:53:29You didn't go to Alf and say, "What about Jimmy Greaves?
0:53:29 > 0:53:32"He's the best player." You don't say anything.
0:53:32 > 0:53:35You just stand there, and Alf used to come in and say,
0:53:35 > 0:53:37"This is the team that will play."
0:53:39 > 0:53:42Poor Jimmy couldn't get back into the side.
0:53:42 > 0:53:43And as I said, I couldn't...
0:53:43 > 0:53:46I haven't, to this day, mentioned it to him,
0:53:46 > 0:53:47because I can't bring myself to do it.
0:53:47 > 0:53:51No-one's ever talked about it.
0:53:51 > 0:53:53Nobody has.
0:53:54 > 0:53:56What can you say?
0:53:56 > 0:53:58It's what you feel.
0:53:58 > 0:54:00It's what you feel for each other,
0:54:00 > 0:54:04and I don't know what other players felt. I know what I felt.
0:54:04 > 0:54:06But, I mean, you can't turn round
0:54:06 > 0:54:11and justify the...decision
0:54:11 > 0:54:13of not being picked to play by saying,
0:54:13 > 0:54:16"Oh, well, never mind. Bad luck!"
0:54:16 > 0:54:20It's not on! Not for a World Cup final. So you live through it.
0:54:21 > 0:54:27And, you know, they talk about Geoff, and, of course,
0:54:27 > 0:54:31it was Geoff that came in, and he seized the day, you know?
0:54:31 > 0:54:34- That was it, really. - I know his record.
0:54:34 > 0:54:37I mean, 160 games for Chelsea, 130 goals in four years,
0:54:37 > 0:54:4116 to 20 years of age. 57 games for England, 44 goals.
0:54:41 > 0:54:45Three in four at Tottenham. And you use the word "genius" occasionally.
0:54:45 > 0:54:47He was a genius at the art of scoring goals.
0:54:47 > 0:54:52And so it was a big decision for Alf to stay with this kid
0:54:52 > 0:54:56that's only played five or six games now against the great Jimmy Greaves.
0:54:56 > 0:54:59In terms of the sympathy, I don't think there was any,
0:54:59 > 0:55:01certainly not from me. It's part and parcel of the game.
0:55:01 > 0:55:03I think I was just ready to take my chance.
0:55:03 > 0:55:06Your chance will come and you've got to take it.
0:55:06 > 0:55:10- ALL:- # ..so gerne anschauen... #
0:55:10 > 0:55:13"Sympathy" was not a word much spoken in any language
0:55:13 > 0:55:16during the days leading up to the final,
0:55:16 > 0:55:18certainly not by the Germans,
0:55:18 > 0:55:22who thought little of Alf's team-building approach to the game.
0:55:22 > 0:55:26Obviously, you do not believe in having your team together
0:55:26 > 0:55:29for a very long time for training sessions,
0:55:29 > 0:55:31as some of the other countries may do.
0:55:31 > 0:55:35Because if we are too long time together,
0:55:35 > 0:55:38it's possible that the players can't see themselves.
0:55:38 > 0:55:42- You feel they may get stale. - Yes. Yes.- Yes.
0:55:42 > 0:55:44Well, he had a point.
0:55:44 > 0:55:48The boys had been together for almost two months without a break.
0:55:48 > 0:55:52The relentlessness was beginning to take its toll.
0:55:52 > 0:55:54It's not like a normal getting to the cup final, for instance.
0:55:54 > 0:55:57I mean, a cup final, you've got three weeks to live it.
0:55:57 > 0:56:00In this game, it's a case of you get over one and you're into the next.
0:56:00 > 0:56:01Very nice.
0:56:01 > 0:56:04- What did your mum have to say about it all?- Delighted.
0:56:04 > 0:56:08- Everybody's delighted. As I say, it's tiring.- Yeah.
0:56:08 > 0:56:10It's been tiring since Tuesday.
0:56:10 > 0:56:12I'll be glad when it's tomorrow and it's all over.
0:56:12 > 0:56:15Here in the studio are three people with very special interest
0:56:15 > 0:56:17in England winning, three of the wives of the English players,
0:56:17 > 0:56:20Mrs Peters, George Cohen's wife, here next to me,
0:56:20 > 0:56:22and Mrs Jimmy Greaves.
0:56:22 > 0:56:25Jimmy, of course, has been away from home for quite a long time.
0:56:25 > 0:56:28Seven weeks. Four days in seven weeks I've seen him.
0:56:28 > 0:56:31- You've only seen him four times in seven weeks?- Yes.
0:56:31 > 0:56:34How's this going down with the children?
0:56:34 > 0:56:37'Alf, I think, was understanding, but he just felt
0:56:37 > 0:56:40'we were two separate worlds and we should be kept apart.'
0:56:40 > 0:56:43Football was their job, they were paid to do their job,
0:56:43 > 0:56:44they should do their job,
0:56:44 > 0:56:47and wives and girlfriends should stay at home.
0:56:47 > 0:56:49And most of us - I think, in fact, all of us -
0:56:49 > 0:56:51actually were in agreement.
0:56:51 > 0:56:54I don't think any of us ever sort of rebelled or said
0:56:54 > 0:56:58that it wasn't right, and I don't think we gave the boys a hard time.
0:56:58 > 0:57:00One of the problems for wives is they watch matches,
0:57:00 > 0:57:03and the spectators around them don't know that they're the wives.
0:57:03 > 0:57:06- No, they don't!- What's it like? What kind of comments do you pick up?
0:57:06 > 0:57:09- All sorts, really. - What kind of things do you pick up?
0:57:09 > 0:57:15Well, I don't think that I should say, really!
0:57:15 > 0:57:16'The era was different.'
0:57:16 > 0:57:18There was no pill, to start off with,
0:57:18 > 0:57:21so everybody was terrified of getting pregnant or whatever.
0:57:21 > 0:57:24There were lots and lots of early marriages.
0:57:24 > 0:57:30There wasn't the glamour before 1966 that is around the football now.
0:57:30 > 0:57:31I mean, it didn't attract big money,
0:57:31 > 0:57:34so therefore it didn't attract all the dollybirds.
0:57:36 > 0:57:39People just never bothered you. We'd go and stay at Hendon Hall,
0:57:39 > 0:57:42and if there were more than two or three kids outside
0:57:42 > 0:57:44looking for autographs, even during the World Cup...
0:57:44 > 0:57:46It only seemed the last day that the locals,
0:57:46 > 0:57:48cos they knew we stayed there,
0:57:48 > 0:57:50and I think they got accustomed to us...
0:57:50 > 0:57:54Well, I think when we set off, there only seemed a handful of them,
0:57:54 > 0:57:56perhaps waving a little flag, waving us off.
0:57:56 > 0:58:00And if you could imagine that two of the lads who were playing
0:58:00 > 0:58:02in the match in the afternoon could go down into Golders Green
0:58:02 > 0:58:06and buy a pair of shoes and actually go on the bus and do it...
0:58:06 > 0:58:08I mean, you just couldn't imagine that today.
0:58:08 > 0:58:12We knew we were going to see the family again after the match.
0:58:12 > 0:58:15We said, "Come on, we'll have to get some proper clothes to wear,"
0:58:15 > 0:58:17you know? And we went down...
0:58:17 > 0:58:21We went down the main street out near Hendon,
0:58:21 > 0:58:24and we walked down,
0:58:24 > 0:58:27and not a lot of people knew us at all.
0:58:29 > 0:58:35We used to go to the cinema before the games, and Alf Ramsey,
0:58:35 > 0:58:39like I say, what he used to do, he'd sidle alongside you...
0:58:40 > 0:58:42"You're playing tomorrow."
0:58:43 > 0:58:44And he said, "Good luck."
0:58:46 > 0:58:48And that was it. And he went away.
0:58:48 > 0:58:51And I thought, "Ohhh!" I couldn't tell anybody!
0:58:51 > 0:58:55This was before we went in the pictures, so, really,
0:58:55 > 0:58:58I don't remember what the picture was.
0:58:58 > 0:59:01All I could think of - "I'm picked in the team."
0:59:01 > 0:59:03The night before, we went to see
0:59:03 > 0:59:05Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines, and
0:59:05 > 0:59:08I left my favourite cardigan inside. I forgot about it, you know?
0:59:08 > 0:59:11So I was a bit worried about that, you know, omens and whatever.
0:59:11 > 0:59:14And the Saturday morning, I got up and went to mass early,
0:59:14 > 0:59:16- at seven o'clock.- I said, "Nobby, where are you going?"
0:59:16 > 0:59:20So he came back and came up to me, about that far away,
0:59:20 > 0:59:24because he's blind...! I don't know what he was doing!
0:59:24 > 0:59:25So I said, "Where are you going?"
0:59:25 > 0:59:28So he said, "Oh, George, I'm going to try
0:59:28 > 0:59:32"and find a Catholic church to pray and confess."
0:59:32 > 0:59:36And I said, "A Catholic church to pray and confess? Where?"
0:59:36 > 0:59:39He said, "Golders Green."
0:59:39 > 0:59:43Now, Golders Green has got more synagogues than the state of Israel.
0:59:43 > 0:59:46And he came back about an hour later
0:59:46 > 0:59:49complaining about this church didn't give change.
0:59:49 > 0:59:52I think he put at least a tenner, you know, trying to
0:59:52 > 0:59:57bribe Him Upstairs to make sure that it worked out all right, you know?
1:00:00 > 1:00:04The actual World Cup day was, like, unbelievable.
1:00:05 > 1:00:10For my dad and my uncles to go to the pub was very exciting.
1:00:11 > 1:00:15You knew it must be a terribly special occasion.
1:00:15 > 1:00:18I remember thinking I wish I could have gone with them!
1:00:18 > 1:00:20I always wanted to be with them.
1:00:20 > 1:00:25Well, I can assure you, on my route from Coventry to London,
1:00:25 > 1:00:26the M1 was empty.
1:00:26 > 1:00:29You wouldn't have seen anybody out mowing the lawn.
1:00:29 > 1:00:30Everybody was glued to it.
1:00:32 > 1:00:35I was walking up Wembley Way, as they called it then,
1:00:35 > 1:00:37up to the ground, to the Twin Towers,
1:00:37 > 1:00:41and on one side was this band of ageing buskers,
1:00:41 > 1:00:44and they were playing There'll Always Be An England.
1:00:44 > 1:00:46CHANTING
1:00:47 > 1:00:50How much money are you going to make on this cup final, do you think?
1:00:50 > 1:00:56Well, at the moment I'm charging about £20 for a £3 15s seat.
1:00:56 > 1:00:58Possibly... Somebody's told me
1:00:58 > 1:01:01that there's thousands of Germans coming over here without tickets.
1:01:01 > 1:01:03It's all a question of supply and demand,
1:01:03 > 1:01:06and outside the ground they'll be fetching £30, £40.
1:01:08 > 1:01:10But one of the things that impressed me
1:01:10 > 1:01:12was the amount of Germans.
1:01:12 > 1:01:16We all intermingled, and it was a wonderful, wonderful atmosphere.
1:01:16 > 1:01:19There was just noise all the time.
1:01:19 > 1:01:21- HE IMITATES CROWD NOISE - That's all you could hear.
1:01:22 > 1:01:27Time for last-minute tactics and last-minute nerves.
1:01:27 > 1:01:32The tension in the players I wouldn't have thought
1:01:32 > 1:01:34has been relieved at all.
1:01:34 > 1:01:37This is the one thing that I failed to overcome.
1:01:37 > 1:01:39I failed to overcome it in myself,
1:01:39 > 1:01:43so how could you overcome it in the players?
1:01:43 > 1:01:45What was bothering Alf more than anything
1:01:45 > 1:01:48was Germany's young wunderkind...
1:01:48 > 1:01:49Inside to Beckenbauer. Seeler...
1:01:49 > 1:01:51And this is the third one!
1:01:51 > 1:01:53Oh, what a goal!
1:01:53 > 1:01:56And what do you think about Beckenbauer, for instance?
1:01:56 > 1:01:59I think he's a good player when he's allowed to run with the ball.
1:01:59 > 1:02:01..so much so that he decided
1:02:01 > 1:02:05to sacrifice his star player to try and stop him.
1:02:05 > 1:02:09'He says, "I want you to mark Franz Beckenbauer, and don't let him
1:02:09 > 1:02:10'"out of your sight."'
1:02:10 > 1:02:15And that was it, really. And I thought, "Well, that's it.
1:02:15 > 1:02:18"I've waited all my whole life to play in a World Cup final
1:02:18 > 1:02:23"and I'm asked to man-mark, which I've never done before."
1:02:25 > 1:02:27Unfortunately for Bobby,
1:02:27 > 1:02:32the Germans had come to exactly the same conclusion.
1:02:32 > 1:02:33I was ordered by our team manager,
1:02:33 > 1:02:36Helmut Schoen, to follow Bobby Charlton,
1:02:36 > 1:02:41because Bobby Charlton, he was the engine of the England game.
1:02:41 > 1:02:43- COMMENTATOR:- Bobby Charlton...
1:02:43 > 1:02:47When the whistle went, Franz Beckenbauer came straight to me.
1:02:47 > 1:02:50He came straight to me and stood next to me.
1:02:50 > 1:02:53He'd been given the same instruction from his own manager.
1:02:53 > 1:02:55So between the two of us,
1:02:55 > 1:02:59we didn't really participate much in the final. We didn't.
1:02:59 > 1:03:00CROWD CHANTS
1:03:02 > 1:03:05So, after all they'd worked for and given up,
1:03:05 > 1:03:09here they were in the spotlight. England expected.
1:03:09 > 1:03:12But, more importantly, Alf expected.
1:03:12 > 1:03:16Time to compose themselves in the sanctuary of the dressing room.
1:03:20 > 1:03:25The place was a-buzz, you know, with photographers, camera crews,
1:03:25 > 1:03:27journalists, throughout the dressing room.
1:03:27 > 1:03:30And, you know, it was just, you know, a big, buzzing mob.
1:03:30 > 1:03:32The dressing room was absolutely solid.
1:03:32 > 1:03:37But it was more the players that weren't playing coming in
1:03:37 > 1:03:41- to wish us good luck. - This is a World Cup final. You know?
1:03:41 > 1:03:47And the dressing room was tense, and even up till that point,
1:03:47 > 1:03:50although we weren't in kit or anything else,
1:03:50 > 1:03:54we still felt part of what was going on that day.
1:03:57 > 1:03:59I can remember saying to Jackie Charlton,
1:03:59 > 1:04:00who was stripping next to me,
1:04:00 > 1:04:02"I can't believe this, Jack,
1:04:02 > 1:04:04"because, you know, it's probably the most
1:04:04 > 1:04:08"important game we're ever going to play in, and the place is chaotic.
1:04:08 > 1:04:10"It's so different to your normal circumstances."
1:04:10 > 1:04:14So he said, "Yeah, but you've got to realise, it's the World Cup final."
1:04:14 > 1:04:18I remember Nobby said to me, "If we win the World Cup,"
1:04:18 > 1:04:21he said, "can you get this to me?"
1:04:21 > 1:04:23And he gave me a bunch of tissues.
1:04:23 > 1:04:26And they were his front teeth.
1:04:26 > 1:04:29But when the team were led out by Bobby, that roar as they came
1:04:29 > 1:04:33out that tunnel and into the light, it was, like, mind-blowing.
1:04:33 > 1:04:35CROWD CHANTS
1:04:40 > 1:04:45- COMMENTATOR:- It's Bobby Moore, England. Cohen, Ball, Banks...
1:04:45 > 1:04:47And here we were, on that day, to walk up that tunnel,
1:04:47 > 1:04:50believe me, my goodness me,
1:04:50 > 1:04:54the old heart was pumping and the nervous system was going!
1:04:54 > 1:04:55Everything was going!
1:05:08 > 1:05:12And the game itself was like a cliff-hanger, wasn't it?
1:05:12 > 1:05:15The Germans scored, and they've scored, and this and that.
1:05:26 > 1:05:29I shouted, "Leave it! Leave it, Ray!"
1:05:29 > 1:05:31because it was going out for a goal kick.
1:05:31 > 1:05:34And Ray - I don't know why - he headed it,
1:05:34 > 1:05:36and it dropped straight for Haller.
1:05:36 > 1:05:39To Haller... A goal!
1:05:39 > 1:05:41West Germany have scored.
1:05:41 > 1:05:43We didn't rollick him or anything of that nature.
1:05:43 > 1:05:47That was the atmosphere within that team. We lifted him.
1:05:47 > 1:05:51"Come on, come on, Ray," to make him play as we know he could play.
1:05:54 > 1:05:56In it goes...
1:06:02 > 1:06:05Oh, that tremendous, stupid, knees-up jump in the air
1:06:05 > 1:06:09was something that was an expression of, you know, "I'm here."
1:06:11 > 1:06:13Now it's England with an offensive that must have
1:06:13 > 1:06:15warmed Alf Ramsey's heart.
1:06:19 > 1:06:22And it's a goal by Peters!
1:06:26 > 1:06:31I've got a fantastic photo of me jumping quite high. Geoff's going...
1:06:32 > 1:06:34..like that.
1:06:37 > 1:06:40And it's a free kick to West Germany.
1:06:40 > 1:06:42One minute to go. Just 60 seconds.
1:06:42 > 1:06:45Alf said to us,
1:06:45 > 1:06:49"Wherever you are, we want you down on the pitch at the final whistle."
1:06:49 > 1:06:52We weren't on the sideline. We were up in the stands.
1:06:52 > 1:06:57There was no substitutes, you see, for the World Cup final in '66.
1:06:57 > 1:07:02I'd looked up in the stand and I'd seen people making their way out,
1:07:02 > 1:07:06going out because they thought that was it, it's all over.
1:07:06 > 1:07:09And I knew then it was close to the end of the match.
1:07:09 > 1:07:12The bounce of the ball suited him, and it came to him.
1:07:12 > 1:07:15It could've gone anywhere, but it came to him.
1:07:15 > 1:07:18And he knocked the ball in the back of the net, and I went,
1:07:18 > 1:07:19"Bloody hell!"
1:07:19 > 1:07:22Weber has scored in the last seconds!
1:07:24 > 1:07:28"Bloody hell!" I couldn't believe it. All this time...
1:07:28 > 1:07:31My grandma got so overexcited, she threw her china cup
1:07:31 > 1:07:36at the telly, which fortunately missed the screen and hit the side!
1:07:37 > 1:07:39For them to get the equaliser, bloomin' heck.
1:07:39 > 1:07:41I was a bit, you know...
1:07:41 > 1:07:44I can always remember it. As I sat down, they equalised.
1:07:44 > 1:07:47And we missed it. I did not...
1:07:47 > 1:07:50Jimmy and I did not see the Germans equalise.
1:07:50 > 1:07:52I've only seen the goal on telly.
1:07:54 > 1:07:57- COMMENTATOR:- What a dramatic end!
1:07:59 > 1:08:02As they got together, they sat down on the floor.
1:08:02 > 1:08:05We're now coming round to Alf, right?
1:08:05 > 1:08:09And half of the lads are sitting down on the turf, you see?
1:08:09 > 1:08:10And we're just coming...
1:08:10 > 1:08:14And as we all now get round Alf, he goes, "'Ey!
1:08:14 > 1:08:17"Come on. Stand up. Stand up."
1:08:17 > 1:08:21He says, "We don't want them to think we're less fit than they are."
1:08:21 > 1:08:22And that was Alf!
1:08:24 > 1:08:27I thought it was important that they inferred to all and sundry,
1:08:27 > 1:08:30you know, that they were ready for the next half an hour.
1:08:30 > 1:08:36It was important that we established some sort of psychological benefit.
1:08:37 > 1:08:42The one guy, to me, that was awesome in extra time, that was Alan Ball.
1:08:42 > 1:08:47He was... He ran and ran and ran.
1:08:47 > 1:08:51Obviously, I felt ever so tired in games, because I'm a human being.
1:08:51 > 1:08:55But in this particular game, I can honestly say I was, you know...
1:08:56 > 1:09:00..crying to everybody to give me the ball, because I knew that
1:09:00 > 1:09:04I had the beating of this chap and I knew I could cause problems.
1:09:04 > 1:09:06Here's Ball, running himself daft.
1:09:06 > 1:09:08Now Hurst. Can he do it?
1:09:09 > 1:09:11What happened next is possibly
1:09:11 > 1:09:16the most debated moment in English football history.
1:09:16 > 1:09:18Geoff hits the ball, it goes there.
1:09:19 > 1:09:21I see the ball when he comes up...
1:09:23 > 1:09:27At an angle, up there. I still say it was over the line.
1:09:27 > 1:09:30..and I took him over the goal.
1:09:30 > 1:09:33Hit the bar, went down, bounced down over the line.
1:09:33 > 1:09:35I was fairly close to it.
1:09:35 > 1:09:41It was not possible that the ball was behind the line.
1:09:41 > 1:09:44- And I went, "Oh, it's over." You know?- I saw it exactly.
1:09:44 > 1:09:47The ball never was behind it!
1:09:47 > 1:09:49Are you seeing a pattern emerging?
1:09:49 > 1:09:52The Swiss referee consulting a Russian linesman.
1:09:52 > 1:09:55Neither spoke the language. God knows what they were talking about.
1:09:55 > 1:09:58So the whole thing was a bit crazy.
1:09:58 > 1:10:01In truth, only one thing mattered...
1:10:01 > 1:10:02- COMMENTATOR:- It's a goal!
1:10:04 > 1:10:06..and one thought counted.
1:10:06 > 1:10:09- TRANSLATION:- I was about seven or eight metres
1:10:09 > 1:10:10towards the halfway line,
1:10:10 > 1:10:14so I saw very clearly that the ball hit the crossbar
1:10:14 > 1:10:17and landed beyond the goal line.
1:10:17 > 1:10:21As the player that hits the shot at 2-2, you want to believe -
1:10:21 > 1:10:23I want to believe more than anything else in my life -
1:10:23 > 1:10:25that ball is over the line.
1:10:27 > 1:10:30It's all over, I think. No...
1:10:30 > 1:10:3415 minutes later, there was another goal...
1:10:34 > 1:10:37along with possibly the most recognised line
1:10:37 > 1:10:40that any sports commentator has ever uttered.
1:10:41 > 1:10:43And here comes Hurst. He's got...
1:10:43 > 1:10:46Some people are on the pitch. They think it's all over.
1:10:46 > 1:10:49It is now! It's four!
1:10:49 > 1:10:54"They think it's all over. It is now!"
1:10:54 > 1:10:58I'll always remember, you know, the pass from Bobby Moore,
1:10:58 > 1:10:59where Geoff got onto it.
1:10:59 > 1:11:02I was yelling and going berserk at the far post,
1:11:02 > 1:11:05because my idea as a Geordie is the safest place is in
1:11:05 > 1:11:07the far corner or over the top of the stand.
1:11:07 > 1:11:09And Bobby took it and he dropped the best pass
1:11:09 > 1:11:11of the game in front of Geoff Hurst for the fourth goal.
1:11:11 > 1:11:14And then I had a call from one of my team-mates on the right wing.
1:11:14 > 1:11:18- IMITATES ALAN BALL:- "Hursty! Hursty! Give me the ball!"
1:11:18 > 1:11:22And that call disturbed the German defence. No doubt. No doubt.
1:11:22 > 1:11:26But I said to myself, "Sod you, Bally, I'm on a hat trick."
1:11:26 > 1:11:29And the little bugger never forgave me for the next 30-odd years,
1:11:29 > 1:11:31because I didn't pass to him.
1:11:31 > 1:11:32Geoff should still have given it to me,
1:11:32 > 1:11:34but his strike on goal was unbelievable.
1:11:34 > 1:11:37It was a typical case of, "Give it to me, give it me! You...
1:11:37 > 1:11:39"Oh, great goal." You know?
1:11:39 > 1:11:43He scores the three goals, gets a knighthood, and Martin Peters,
1:11:43 > 1:11:47who thought he had scored the winning goal, just got an MBE.
1:11:47 > 1:11:50That's it. England have won the World Cup.
1:11:50 > 1:11:52We've won the World Cup. Yeah.
1:11:58 > 1:12:02- COMMENTATOR:- It's only 12 inches high, it's solid gold
1:12:02 > 1:12:06and it means England are the world champions.
1:12:12 > 1:12:15I watched him go up the steps, and I've seen his hand was muddy,
1:12:15 > 1:12:17and he's wiped his hand on the balustrade,
1:12:17 > 1:12:20cos he was going to shake hands with the Queen and he didn't want
1:12:20 > 1:12:23to sully her gloves, and that was so typical Bobby.
1:12:23 > 1:12:28I mean, even after all of that, his thoughts were to be
1:12:28 > 1:12:32respectful to the Queen, and that was very typical Bobby.
1:12:32 > 1:12:37# On days like these when skies are blue
1:12:37 > 1:12:41# And fields are green... #
1:12:41 > 1:12:45I've got a photograph at home of Nobby,
1:12:45 > 1:12:47with the World Cup on his head,
1:12:47 > 1:12:49the biggest smile ever, with no teeth in.
1:12:49 > 1:12:53And they were in my pocket. So, you know,
1:12:53 > 1:12:56that's something you'll treasure for the rest of your life.
1:12:56 > 1:13:02# And then I hear sweet music
1:13:02 > 1:13:07# Float around my head
1:13:07 > 1:13:12# As I recall the many things
1:13:12 > 1:13:15# We left unsaid
1:13:16 > 1:13:21# It's on days like these
1:13:21 > 1:13:26# That I remember
1:13:26 > 1:13:29# Singing songs and drinking wine... #
1:13:29 > 1:13:33It was paradise. Just paradise.
1:13:33 > 1:13:38You know, everybody was hugging one another and talking about it
1:13:38 > 1:13:42and saying what the repercussions would be.
1:13:42 > 1:13:45But, uh, it was just sensational.
1:13:47 > 1:13:50# Maybe today... #
1:13:50 > 1:13:54I remember going on me knees and saying, "Thank God for that."
1:13:55 > 1:13:57You know.
1:14:00 > 1:14:02He said to me, "What about that, kidder?"
1:14:02 > 1:14:04You know, "What about that?"
1:14:04 > 1:14:08And I said, "Well, Jackie, our lives are never going to be the same."
1:14:13 > 1:14:17It still didn't seem as important
1:14:17 > 1:14:21missing out then as it does now.
1:14:22 > 1:14:26And I think that's because people have made it important.
1:14:26 > 1:14:28It's never really...
1:14:28 > 1:14:32I mean, I've never woken up in the morning, saying, "God, I didn't play
1:14:32 > 1:14:37"in the World Cup final," you know, or, "God, I didn't do this," or...
1:14:37 > 1:14:41You know, you look back through your life and, yes,
1:14:41 > 1:14:45it probably was the...without doubt,
1:14:45 > 1:14:51the greatest disappointment I've ever suffered, but it's not
1:14:51 > 1:14:55the hardest knock I've ever suffered, not by many a long chalk.
1:14:57 > 1:14:59When they won, I was gobsmacked.
1:14:59 > 1:15:02I just sat in me seat for about ten minutes.
1:15:05 > 1:15:07"It's not true, we haven't won, we can't possibly have won."
1:15:07 > 1:15:10I kept singing, "Alf was right, Alf was right."
1:15:10 > 1:15:12The whistle goes, they're all jumping up
1:15:12 > 1:15:14and Alfie's still sitting there on the bench.
1:15:14 > 1:15:16I think he said to one or two of them,
1:15:16 > 1:15:18"Sit down, you're drawing attention to yourselves."
1:15:18 > 1:15:19Well, they won the World Cup!
1:15:19 > 1:15:22They're entitled to a bit of a dance. Imagine now!
1:15:22 > 1:15:26He never showed any sort of emotion or anything, Alf, you know.
1:15:26 > 1:15:33And Bobby Moore went, "Alf, come on, here," and he went, "No. No. No."
1:15:33 > 1:15:37He says, "Off you go." He says, "You take it round."
1:15:37 > 1:15:42He wanted us to have all the glory. That's the type of guy he was.
1:15:42 > 1:15:44Absolutely fantastic.
1:15:45 > 1:15:48I remember Bobby Moore coming back into the dressing room after
1:15:48 > 1:15:50being called out after the game and saying,
1:15:50 > 1:15:56"Chaps, the FA are going to give us £22,000."
1:15:57 > 1:16:00A big intake of breath. He said, "Between us."
1:16:00 > 1:16:03HE LAUGHS
1:16:03 > 1:16:06"And this'll be split pro rata to the number of games you played,"
1:16:06 > 1:16:08so therefore Bobby Moore, played every game,
1:16:08 > 1:16:10would receive a lot more money than Norman Hunter,
1:16:10 > 1:16:13his substitute from Leeds who didn't kick a ball all tournament.
1:16:13 > 1:16:16And Bobby Moore stepped in and said, "That's not going to happen."
1:16:16 > 1:16:19He said, "We share between the 22."
1:16:19 > 1:16:24£1,000, I would've settled for nothing, as long as we'd have won
1:16:24 > 1:16:28the World Cup, so it was very good of the lads to share it between us.
1:16:28 > 1:16:32But compared to the Germans, who I understand got five or six times
1:16:32 > 1:16:35more than that, for losing, it wasn't a great deal of money.
1:16:36 > 1:16:40The German team certainly was feted for what they had achieved,
1:16:40 > 1:16:45as were the English by their fans on the way to the celebration dinner.
1:16:45 > 1:16:53But the comparison with their previous encounters was inevitable.
1:16:53 > 1:16:55When we won the war, the Second World War,
1:16:55 > 1:16:58and they were dancing in the fountain in Trafalgar Square...
1:16:58 > 1:17:01They were dancing in the fountain when we won the World Cup!
1:17:01 > 1:17:03And everybody waving.
1:17:03 > 1:17:08We were driving back to Liverpool and everybody was going, "Yeah!"
1:17:08 > 1:17:11And I was... This whole feeling of pride.
1:17:11 > 1:17:15The best and biggest occasion since VE Day.
1:17:15 > 1:17:18It was that sort of atmosphere. We had won.
1:17:18 > 1:17:23Everybody was so proud. We'd won the World Cup and it was just...
1:17:23 > 1:17:26I think it suddenly dawned on you that that was...
1:17:26 > 1:17:28"Wow, that's quite an achievement."
1:17:28 > 1:17:33All four semifinal teams were invited to the meal,
1:17:33 > 1:17:38but when they sat down to eat, they realised that something was missing.
1:17:38 > 1:17:40500, 600 people in the Royal Garden
1:17:40 > 1:17:45and our wives were not invited to the banquet. Astonishing.
1:17:45 > 1:17:48They were in a little anteroom away from...
1:17:48 > 1:17:50So that still gets mentioned from time to time.
1:17:52 > 1:17:54God, no, we weren't allowed anywhere.
1:17:54 > 1:17:59We were just herded back to the Royal Garden, where we all sort of
1:17:59 > 1:18:02got ourselves tarted up, ready for the night's events,
1:18:02 > 1:18:05and then put into a room on our own. Oh, no,
1:18:05 > 1:18:11we weren't included in any of the aftermath of the World Cup final.
1:18:11 > 1:18:12We were totally and utterly separated.
1:18:12 > 1:18:14A lot of the girls were very upset about that.
1:18:16 > 1:18:18They couldn't get in for all these parliamentarians
1:18:18 > 1:18:24and FA councillors and Football League people and, you know...
1:18:24 > 1:18:26You can imagine what it'd be like if you had a ticket for that.
1:18:28 > 1:18:31Actually, I don't know if you can hear the crowd outside?
1:18:31 > 1:18:34- Can you hear that shouting? - Fabulous.- "We want Nobby."
1:18:36 > 1:18:39John Connelly, he tells a lovely story
1:18:39 > 1:18:43that he went up to see his wife, and she's opened the door,
1:18:43 > 1:18:46he's knocked on the door, and he said, "We've got half an hour."
1:18:46 > 1:18:49He said, "Any chance?" And she went, "Absolutely not."
1:18:49 > 1:18:51She said, "I've spent hours doing my hair.
1:18:51 > 1:18:53"I'm not going to mess that up." And she said,
1:18:53 > 1:18:56"You've waited eight weeks, you can wait another night or so."
1:18:56 > 1:18:58So it was a funny story,
1:18:58 > 1:19:02but I don't remember Bobby propositioning me, but anyway!
1:19:02 > 1:19:04We eventually met up with them on the rooftop.
1:19:07 > 1:19:11And he had hold of the Jules Rimet cup, which he was kissing.
1:19:11 > 1:19:12I mean, I got a kiss,
1:19:12 > 1:19:15but I think the cup got kissed more passionately than me.
1:19:17 > 1:19:20So many people. I mean, they were screaming and they were right down
1:19:20 > 1:19:25the ramps, and when the boys came out, they exploded.
1:19:25 > 1:19:27Gordon Banks.
1:19:27 > 1:19:30It was like sort of royalty coming out there.
1:19:30 > 1:19:33They were royalty that day.
1:19:33 > 1:19:35Bob said, "Well, you know, we're going to the..."
1:19:35 > 1:19:38There were about three or four of us, with wives.
1:19:38 > 1:19:41He said he'd been invited to this Playboy Club
1:19:41 > 1:19:44on Mayfair, I think it was, and we went there.
1:19:46 > 1:19:49Burt Bacharach was there. He was like a kid, meeting Bobby.
1:19:49 > 1:19:52"When I get home and tell my friends I was out with you the night
1:19:52 > 1:19:55"you won the World Cup, it's going to be fantastic."
1:19:55 > 1:19:57He was like a little boy.
1:19:57 > 1:20:01It was a lovely night and, of course, the bunnies were all over him.
1:20:01 > 1:20:04But it was a night for sharing Bobby. That night, I didn't mind.
1:20:04 > 1:20:07I remember going out in the East End.
1:20:07 > 1:20:10We was in the Blind Beggar's in Whitechapel or somewhere,
1:20:10 > 1:20:13you know, having a great party.
1:20:13 > 1:20:15I mean, it was parties everywhere that night.
1:20:15 > 1:20:18You know, in the pubs, outside the pubs, people were enjoying it.
1:20:18 > 1:20:19It was a great night.
1:20:19 > 1:20:22No aggravation, just people having good fun.
1:20:23 > 1:20:26The team soon began to fragment.
1:20:27 > 1:20:29Many achieved instant celebrity
1:20:29 > 1:20:34and went on either to benefit or...suffer from it.
1:20:37 > 1:20:41I don't know what to say, really, because... It was...
1:20:41 > 1:20:44We didn't know what was going to happen.
1:20:44 > 1:20:47We'd never won the World Cup.
1:20:47 > 1:20:50We never knew the responsibilities that it took.
1:20:50 > 1:20:53We knew, though, that we'd done something that will never,
1:20:53 > 1:20:55ever happen again, here...
1:20:55 > 1:20:57in our lives.
1:20:57 > 1:20:59How did you enjoy watching the boy, there, in action?
1:20:59 > 1:21:02Oh, it was great, but, you know...
1:21:02 > 1:21:07For some, it took time to adjust to their new-found status.
1:21:07 > 1:21:10Much to people's surprise, and, in fact, people still can't believe
1:21:10 > 1:21:14today that I went home and cut the grass and cleaned the car,
1:21:14 > 1:21:16but they're the things you did.
1:21:16 > 1:21:18They're the things you did.
1:21:18 > 1:21:21Jack Charlton woke up in somebody else's garden, I remember.
1:21:21 > 1:21:24A woman popped her head over the fence and she said,
1:21:24 > 1:21:27"Why, it's Jackie Charlton, what are you doing here, pet?"
1:21:27 > 1:21:31So he said, he went, "Oh, Mrs Moorson,"
1:21:31 > 1:21:35he said, "I'm with some of Jimmy's friends," he said.
1:21:35 > 1:21:38So that was that. Honest, she was from Ashington.
1:21:38 > 1:21:41She'd been in Jack's brother's house, like, the week before.
1:21:41 > 1:21:43Nobby and me dad, driving back after the World Cup,
1:21:43 > 1:21:47stopped at the services on the M6 and had egg and chips.
1:21:47 > 1:21:50And no-one bothered 'em. No-one asked for an autograph.
1:21:50 > 1:21:51Left them alone.
1:21:51 > 1:21:54Others tried to forget it.
1:21:54 > 1:21:57I went away, I went on holiday that night.
1:21:58 > 1:22:01Because I thought, "I'll get out of the way."
1:22:01 > 1:22:04That was it, I just wanted to get out of the way.
1:22:05 > 1:22:08And a couple had their achievement put into perspective.
1:22:08 > 1:22:13I had two days at home and then I reported back for training,
1:22:13 > 1:22:14to Liverpool.
1:22:14 > 1:22:16And Bill Shankly's walking down the corridor
1:22:16 > 1:22:19and he's the first bloke I saw.
1:22:19 > 1:22:21"Oh, congratulations, Roger.
1:22:21 > 1:22:23"Congratulations on winning the World Cup," he said.
1:22:23 > 1:22:27And then, just as I'm just going, he says, "Go and get training.
1:22:27 > 1:22:29"We've got more important things to do this season."
1:22:31 > 1:22:32And you think to yourself,
1:22:32 > 1:22:34"What's more important than winning the World Cup?"
1:22:34 > 1:22:37But that was the way Bill Shankly was as well.
1:22:37 > 1:22:40"There are more important things this season."
1:22:40 > 1:22:42- Than winning the World Cup! - HE CHUCKLES
1:22:42 > 1:22:44Yeah, great(!)
1:22:44 > 1:22:47Alf had only one thing on his mind.
1:22:47 > 1:22:51I think it was on the Sunday or the Monday after the final,
1:22:51 > 1:22:53the press went to his home to get some more quotes,
1:22:53 > 1:22:55what does he feel a day or two later?
1:22:55 > 1:22:57They went and knocked on the door and Alf said,
1:22:57 > 1:23:00"Sorry, gentlemen, this is my day off."
1:23:03 > 1:23:06Heroes Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst and Martin Peters preceded
1:23:06 > 1:23:09their West Ham team-mates onto the Upton Park ground for the fans
1:23:09 > 1:23:12to give them the cheers they richly deserve.
1:23:12 > 1:23:16The same grit and determination that made the lads World Cup winners
1:23:16 > 1:23:23in 1966 would help them cope with life's adversities and triumphs.
1:23:24 > 1:23:26However, in later years,
1:23:26 > 1:23:30they'd always be known as "a World Cup winner"...
1:23:30 > 1:23:34for better...or worse.
1:23:34 > 1:23:37We'd be invited to weddings or bar mitzvahs or engagement parties
1:23:37 > 1:23:39and when we got there, Bobby would be pulled to one side,
1:23:39 > 1:23:42like a prize exhibit and, you know,
1:23:42 > 1:23:45the bride or whoever would be photographed with him.
1:23:45 > 1:23:47Which was a bit of a pain, but Bobby had a thing,
1:23:47 > 1:23:50if anything got too much, he would look at me
1:23:50 > 1:23:53and I would make some excuse and we would leave.
1:23:53 > 1:23:57So that was the downside but, really, all in all, we had...
1:23:57 > 1:24:00We were both, I think, very grounded.
1:24:00 > 1:24:05Alf went to the next World Cup, in Mexico, as Sir Alf.
1:24:05 > 1:24:10But he and his team would not repeat the heroics of '66.
1:24:14 > 1:24:17With very few exceptions, Sir Alf's men were left
1:24:17 > 1:24:21to fend for themselves after their football careers.
1:24:21 > 1:24:25No fortunes amassed, nor favours given.
1:24:26 > 1:24:29By and large, they didn't complain,
1:24:29 > 1:24:33but they did ponder the wisdom of ignoring a pool of talent
1:24:33 > 1:24:38and experience that might have benefited future generations.
1:24:39 > 1:24:43We just had to think about getting a job somewhere, you know.
1:24:43 > 1:24:46And what hurt me more than anything, I'm thinking,
1:24:46 > 1:24:50"All these guys, with all the experience they've got,
1:24:50 > 1:24:54"and they're not asking them to pass it on."
1:24:54 > 1:24:57I thought, "This is stupid, this is crazy," you know.
1:24:57 > 1:25:01They'd have the joy of doing what they loved, which is
1:25:01 > 1:25:05playing football, and then they'd go back to their other life.
1:25:05 > 1:25:09- They didn't make enough money to see them through.- What a forward line.
1:25:09 > 1:25:13And I think that's what gave them their dignity.
1:25:13 > 1:25:15And you can't buy that, can you?
1:25:17 > 1:25:20There's no arrogance about them. None of them.
1:25:22 > 1:25:26It was a unique time and he was a unique manager...
1:25:26 > 1:25:28And it was a unique win.
1:25:28 > 1:25:30But if we want to talk about the future,
1:25:30 > 1:25:32you've got to know where we came from.
1:25:32 > 1:25:35I think we would do well to look at some of the things that Alf Ramsey
1:25:35 > 1:25:39did around the psychology, the mental aspect of the game.
1:25:39 > 1:25:41- How do you feel about the game? - Fabulous.
1:25:41 > 1:25:44- I hope that they're not forgotten. - Any worrying moments?
1:25:44 > 1:25:47I thought I was invincible until they scored the first goal
1:25:47 > 1:25:48and they proved me wrong.
1:25:48 > 1:25:50They certainly won't be in my household.
1:25:56 > 1:25:57Many years later,
1:25:57 > 1:26:03Alfie's boys played the same German team again. A reunion of friends,
1:26:03 > 1:26:08and every year, the boys get together to talk about old times...
1:26:08 > 1:26:13wonder about the future and thank Alf.
1:26:13 > 1:26:16It was Alf, in my opinion, that made that.
1:26:16 > 1:26:19He was the one that got us all together.
1:26:20 > 1:26:23I still use him to this day.
1:26:23 > 1:26:27"1966, yeah, I did play in it, yeah, with Alf, yes."
1:26:28 > 1:26:30To be involved with the World Cup
1:26:30 > 1:26:34and to be involved with the World Cup final, I mean,
1:26:34 > 1:26:36it's just an experience of a lifetime.
1:26:36 > 1:26:37Wish I could do it again.
1:26:39 > 1:26:44It'll be there until the next time somebody wins it.
1:26:44 > 1:26:49And I keep saying to myself... I've been saying it now for 50 years.
1:26:51 > 1:26:54I mean, I suppose we should have a sweepstake now
1:26:54 > 1:26:57to see who's going to be the last man standing!
1:26:58 > 1:27:00Be an interesting one, that!
1:27:01 > 1:27:04Time and tide wait for no man, Jimmy.
1:27:06 > 1:27:09Bobby Moore, Alan Ball, Sir Alf himself
1:27:09 > 1:27:12and some of the other boys are no longer with us.
1:27:14 > 1:27:18But, you know, when all is said and done, they'll always be with us.
1:27:19 > 1:27:22As heroes, in our hearts and in our minds.
1:27:24 > 1:27:29Working-class heroes in an era when England really needed them.
1:27:31 > 1:27:35And now we wait for a new generation of heroes,
1:27:35 > 1:27:39heroes with the same spirit as Alfie's boys.
1:27:41 > 1:27:46The British bulldog spirit. Come on, England.
1:27:49 > 1:27:55# Time it was and what a time it was, it was
1:27:56 > 1:28:03# A time of innocence A time of confidences
1:28:04 > 1:28:07# Long ago, it must be
1:28:08 > 1:28:11# I have a photograph
1:28:11 > 1:28:15# Preserve your memories
1:28:15 > 1:28:18# They're all that's left you. #
1:28:20 > 1:28:25# What's it all about, Alfie?
1:28:25 > 1:28:32# Is it just for the moment we live?
1:28:32 > 1:28:38# What's it all about when you sort it out, Alfie?
1:28:39 > 1:28:45# Are we meant to take more than we give
1:28:45 > 1:28:50# Or are we meant to be kind?
1:28:50 > 1:28:57# And if only fools are kind
1:28:57 > 1:29:00# Alfie... #