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0:00:20 > 0:00:22- Welcome to the show.
0:00:22 > 0:00:26- The world of sport, just like - everything else, is full of emotion.
0:00:26 > 0:00:29- The good, the bad, the ugly, - all mixed up together.
0:00:30 > 0:00:32- Our show tonight - certainly reflects that.
0:00:32 > 0:00:34- Here's what we have for you.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39- The good. Alex Thomson's incredible - journey in the Vendee Globe.
0:00:43 > 0:00:47- From the high seas to the sheer - mountains and Clwb Mynydda Cymru.
0:00:52 > 0:00:56- A look at the derby match - between Wrexham and Chester.
0:01:01 > 0:01:05- The Hillsborough tragedy. - The never-ending nightmare.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09- A look ahead to that programme - on S4C on Tuesday night.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16- We also have ice hockey, - the Foster's Cup rugby.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20- I'm glad to say that Richard Tudor, - the sailor, is with me today.
0:01:21 > 0:01:25- He's here to help me celebrate - the achievement of Alex Thomson.
0:01:25 > 0:01:27- It was some achievement.
0:01:28 > 0:01:30- Around the world in 74 days!
0:01:31 > 0:01:34- The biggest challenge - you can face in sailing.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37- He's home safely as we watch - the closing stages.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39- More than 70 days on the sea.
0:01:40 > 0:01:43- It all started back - at the beginning of November.
0:01:43 > 0:01:46- It was pretty exciting - until the very end.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51- After 71 days - racing around the world...
0:01:51 > 0:01:56- ..Welshman Alex Thomson makes one - last try to catch Armel Le Cleac'h.
0:01:56 > 0:02:01- He closes the gap substantially - by reaching exceptional speeds.
0:02:01 > 0:02:03- The boat's on fire!
0:02:04 > 0:02:06- We're going fast, currently 26!
0:02:07 > 0:02:08- 25!
0:02:08 > 0:02:10- 26!
0:02:11 > 0:02:12- A new 24 hour record!
0:02:12 > 0:02:14- Whoo!
0:02:15 > 0:02:18- It's about trying to get - as close to Armel as possible.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21- We keep on fighting. - I am struggling with the steering.
0:02:22 > 0:02:24- I've got some play - in the steering system...
0:02:24 > 0:02:28- ..so I have to be quite attentive - over the next 24-48 hours.
0:02:31 > 0:02:33- I'll just have to give it a crack.
0:02:34 > 0:02:37- It's a world record - for a solo yachtsman...
0:02:37 > 0:02:41- ..as Alex Thomson travels - 536.81 miles in 24 hours.
0:02:42 > 0:02:47- At one point, he closed the gap - between him and Armel to 39 miles.
0:02:48 > 0:02:52- But the Welshman's hopes of - catching the Frenchman were fading.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56- There's no real option - for me any more.
0:02:56 > 0:03:00- It doesn't look like there's any - chance of an attack without wind.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- I think my options have run out. - I'm very tired.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07- I don't have any tension - about the finish.
0:03:07 > 0:03:11- I have tension about trying to make - the autopilot work so I can sleep.
0:03:12 > 0:03:15- It hasn't been easy recently - with all the traffic on the sea.
0:03:15 > 0:03:17- You have to be alert.
0:03:21 > 0:03:26- The traffic increased as Le Cleac'h - got closer to Les Sables d'Olonne.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30- Everyone wanted to see the Frenchman - crossing the finish line...
0:03:31 > 0:03:32- ..to win the Vendee Globe.
0:03:33 > 0:03:35- I didn't give an inch.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41- Every metre - was a tough battle.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50- I really wanted this win.
0:03:51 > 0:03:55- Le Cleac'h finished in 74 days, - 3 hours, 35 minutes and 46 seconds.
0:03:56 > 0:03:58- Alex Thomson finished second.
0:03:59 > 0:04:00- It's finished, it's over.
0:04:01 > 0:04:05- The race is as it is, and I'm - very happy to be in second place...
0:04:06 > 0:04:08- ..and maybe next time - it'll be one better.
0:04:09 > 0:04:11- Alex sailed a beautiful race.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16- He was a worthy opponent - with so many virtues.
0:04:18 > 0:04:23- A terrifying and wise opponent.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27- Armel, he's a machine.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31- He's such a great sailor.
0:04:32 > 0:04:34- I think I have to say - the team as well.
0:04:35 > 0:04:38- Everybody views this - as an individual race, but it's not.
0:04:38 > 0:04:43- It's a team race, and Banque - Populaire have done a wonderful job.
0:04:43 > 0:04:47- Full credit to them. - I congratulate them. Fantastic job.
0:04:56 > 0:04:59- Fantastic. He deserves - to celebrate after that race.
0:04:59 > 0:05:02- Great scenes and - so emotional at the end.
0:05:03 > 0:05:04- You get that, Richard.
0:05:06 > 0:05:09- It's starts as pride for finishing.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12- There's sadness because it's over.
0:05:14 > 0:05:17- There's also pleasure at - bringing the boat back safely.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21- Seeing the family and celebrating.
0:05:24 > 0:05:28- Sadness at finishing and - disappointment with second place?
0:05:29 > 0:05:30- Does that come into it?
0:05:31 > 0:05:34- I think a tiny bit of frustration - at finishing second.
0:05:36 > 0:05:40- He's been getting ready for - this effort for a few years.
0:05:41 > 0:05:45- It is a race in the end and winning - is the only thing that counts.
0:05:46 > 0:05:48- So, he'll go again.
0:05:49 > 0:05:53- The winner had finished second - a couple of times previously.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56- Will that inspire - Alex Thomson to go again?
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- After a good long break - and a good rest...
0:06:00 > 0:06:02- ..to work out the way forward.
0:06:03 > 0:06:07- In my case I wanted to get - right back out there on the seas.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13- He'll have the same feelings - and he'll be desperate to win it.
0:06:17 > 0:06:23- I'm sure the sponsors are very happy - with his success this time round.
0:06:26 > 0:06:28- Here are shots of you - racing a few years ago.
0:06:29 > 0:06:31- This was on Hel Straeon on S4C.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36- How much has the - world of sailing changed?
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- The technology has been transformed.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46- It's nearly 25 years since - I did a round the world race.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51- My boat was seven feet - longer than Alex's boat.
0:06:51 > 0:06:53- My boat was also much heavier.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59- His boat was made of - the latest carbon fibre design.
0:07:01 > 0:07:03- The foils make a huge difference.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07- The passage of 25 years - are clear from those pictures.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10- Not at all. Great memories.
0:07:11 > 0:07:16- We know about the physical challenge - but what about the mental one?
0:07:17 > 0:07:20- Alex was out there on his own. - I had a crew with me.
0:07:21 > 0:07:25- There are all kinds of emotions. - What's next, is the boat safe?
0:07:28 > 0:07:31- What will break next? - What do I have to fix next?
0:07:32 > 0:07:34- The weather plays a major role.
0:07:36 > 0:07:39- Alex has also had to deal - with a lack of sleep.
0:07:40 > 0:07:44- All those things combined - do mount up to quite a challenge.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- Some problems can't be fixed - until you are done.
0:07:51 > 0:07:53- It's an amazing experience.
0:07:54 > 0:07:57- Sometimes, you don't - want to be anywhere else.
0:07:57 > 0:07:59- Other times, you hate it.
0:07:59 > 0:08:01- I can well believe that.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04- Alex Thomson's success - will inspire sailing in Wales.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08- We'll talk more about the work - you do in Pwllheli later on.
0:08:09 > 0:08:12- Thank you for that. - These pictures are superb.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16- Those from around the world - and the Hel Straeon ones.
0:08:17 > 0:08:21- We try to avoid going through too - many highs and lows on Clwb 2...
0:08:21 > 0:08:25- ..but it's hard to avoid when you - go from Sailing to Mountaineering.
0:08:25 > 0:08:27- It's time to meet - Clwb Mynydda Cymru.
0:08:27 > 0:08:30- One of Wales' biggest sporting - clubs with over 300 members.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35- We met them as they took their - annual jaunt on the Carneddau.
0:08:46 > 0:08:50- I joined because I did do - some solo mountaineering.
0:08:51 > 0:08:54- By joining the club, I thought - I'd go to different places...
0:08:54 > 0:08:56- ..and learn about my own country...
0:08:57 > 0:09:00- ..by walking in places - I wouldn't usually visit.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04- In the north, - we go out walking every fortnight.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07- There's a monthly walk - in South Wales as well.
0:09:07 > 0:09:10- There are Wednesday walks, - which take place on lower ground.
0:09:10 > 0:09:12- That appeals more to some people.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16- The club also organizes - numerous walking tours abroad.
0:09:18 > 0:09:19- There are over 300 members.
0:09:21 > 0:09:23- The programme is on the website.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27- I usually look at the website - to see what's on.
0:09:28 > 0:09:31- If the walk suits me, - and what the weather's like!
0:09:32 > 0:09:35- It's not always like this. - Sometimes, it's sunny!
0:09:36 > 0:09:38- I'll then decide if I go or not.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42- There's no commitment - for everyone to go every time.
0:09:42 > 0:09:45- You can choose your activities.
0:09:45 > 0:09:49- Nothing beats a good cup of coffee - to keep you warm.
0:09:50 > 0:09:52- We'll start from here, - Ffynnon Llugwy...
0:09:53 > 0:09:55- ..up to Bwlch Eryl Farchog...
0:09:55 > 0:09:59- ..on to Carnedd Llywelyn, - Carnedd Dafydd and Pen yr Ole Wen.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- Then, we'll go down to Ffynnon Lloer - and back to the cars at Glan Dena.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09- We're hoping for a bit more snow - on the peaks.
0:10:09 > 0:10:11- That's what we like in winter.
0:10:12 > 0:10:15- We've had a lot of trips as well.
0:10:15 > 0:10:17- We go to Scotland every year.
0:10:17 > 0:10:22- We're going next month to experience - winter conditions, in a way.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25- Since joining, - I've been to Ireland and Nepal.
0:10:26 > 0:10:30- I've also been to South Wales, - places where I wouldn't usually go.
0:10:30 > 0:10:34- We go to the Alps, the Pyrenees, - all kinds of places.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38- We enjoy meeting new people - from one week to the next.
0:10:42 > 0:10:44- One recent development - for the club...
0:10:44 > 0:10:48- ..in a joint venture - with Gwasg Carreg Gwalch...
0:10:48 > 0:10:51- ..was publishing a book, - Copaon Cymru.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54- It features 48 walks - in all parts of Wales...
0:10:55 > 0:10:58- ..guiding people to the top - of our country's main peaks.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02- It would be nice if the sky was blue - and the sun was out...
0:11:02 > 0:11:06- ..with hard snow underfoot - and hearing the ice cracking.
0:11:06 > 0:11:10- But this is the weather - and we must enjoy what we get.
0:11:15 > 0:11:17- Lovely to meet them - up in the heights.
0:11:19 > 0:11:22- Back to the seas - with Richard Tudor now.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25- We've been celebrating - Alex Thomson's success.
0:11:25 > 0:11:29- There's no direct connection with - your sailing club in Pwllheli...
0:11:29 > 0:11:33- ..but is it a boost to your club - and to sailing in Wales?
0:11:33 > 0:11:36- Alex Thomson has brought - sailing in Wales to the forefront.
0:11:37 > 0:11:38- That's a good thing.
0:11:38 > 0:11:41- However we can bring youngsters - into our sport...
0:11:42 > 0:11:45- ..whether as racers, sailors - or even as artisans...
0:11:47 > 0:11:51- ..working on making and fixing - the boats, it's a good thing.
0:11:52 > 0:11:53- We had Mari Davies on the show...
0:11:54 > 0:11:56- ..talking about - raising money to buy a boat.
0:11:56 > 0:11:58- She was a member of your academy.
0:11:59 > 0:12:03- Is there a lot of interest - from young people at the moment?
0:12:03 > 0:12:08- The academy in Pwllheli has a - building purpose built for sailing.
0:12:08 > 0:12:10- It's a fantastic place.
0:12:11 > 0:12:13- We hold events - of the very highest quality.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- They come from all over.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20- France, Australia, America, - New Zealand, South Africa.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25- They come to Pwllheli - to race during the summer months.
0:12:26 > 0:12:30- Mari is one of those who has - enjoyed our facilities at Pwllheli.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35- She's now at the very top - of the 420 class of racing boats.
0:12:37 > 0:12:38- It's an Olympic category.
0:12:39 > 0:12:40- We have high hopes for her.
0:12:42 > 0:12:44- A big name for the future, perhaps.
0:12:44 > 0:12:48- As a youngsters growing up in that - area what was the first thing...
0:12:49 > 0:12:52- ..that hooked you into - racing on the waters?
0:12:54 > 0:12:58- It was the big names in the sixties - like Sir Francis Chichester...
0:12:59 > 0:13:02- ..and Knox-Johnson - sailing the southern seas.
0:13:03 > 0:13:05- They were in all the - magazines sailing...
0:13:06 > 0:13:09- ..between the icebergs - on the huge oceans.
0:13:10 > 0:13:13- It occurred to me that one day - I might do something similar.
0:13:14 > 0:13:16- I was very lucky in the end.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20- Thank you for joining us - in the studio.
0:13:21 > 0:13:24- I'm sure we'll hear - a lot more about Alex Thomson.
0:13:24 > 0:13:26- Thank you for joining us.
0:13:27 > 0:13:31- It's a break now but there's - more sport when we return on Clwb 2.
0:13:31 > 0:13:33- It'll include some rugby.
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0:13:46 > 0:13:47- Welcome back for some rugby.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50- Earlier today, the draw was made...
0:13:50 > 0:13:53- ..for the last eight - of the European Challenge Cup.
0:13:54 > 0:13:56- The Blues and Ospreys have avoided - each other.
0:13:56 > 0:13:58- The Blues travel to Gloucester...
0:13:59 > 0:14:01- ..and the Ospreys are home - to Stade Francais.
0:14:02 > 0:14:04- We now turn to the Foster's - Challenge Cup.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07- The final pool matches - were played this week...
0:14:07 > 0:14:09- ..to decide the semi-finalists.
0:14:13 > 0:14:17- It was all up for grabs at Rodney - Parade as Newport welcomed Bedwas.
0:14:17 > 0:14:21- A win would secure a - semi-final spot for either team.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26- Most of the points were scored - in the final ten minutes.
0:14:27 > 0:14:31- The visitors edged it with - this late try for Adam Williams.
0:14:32 > 0:14:37- Bedwas win the pool and - go forward to the semi-finals.
0:14:41 > 0:14:45- Swansea were already eliminated - from semi-final contention...
0:14:45 > 0:14:48- ..but a win for Llandovery would - keep their hopes alive in Pool 2.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52- The visitors had the upper hand - from the beginning...
0:14:52 > 0:14:56- ..showing inventive play and - benefitting from a touch of luck...
0:14:56 > 0:14:59- ..to score a try - through flanker, Richard Rees.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- Swansea battled back - before the end of the first half.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- Rory Gallagher broke - through the visitors' defence.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14- The backs and forwards - worked well together...
0:15:14 > 0:15:17- ..allowing Richard Thomas - to score the try.
0:15:21 > 0:15:24- Llandovery were - too strong in the end.
0:15:24 > 0:15:29- James Davies' slick passing put - Jack Parkinson in for a second try.
0:15:29 > 0:15:31- That secured the win.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34- With Llandovery beating Swansea...
0:15:34 > 0:15:38- ..Quins had to beat Llanelli - to reach the semi-finals.
0:15:39 > 0:15:44- With Llanelli already eliminated - it was fairly easy work in the end.
0:15:44 > 0:15:49- Lawrence Reynolds claimed two of - the five tries scored by the Quins.
0:15:52 > 0:15:56- Despite Llandovery beating Swansea, - the Quins progress from Pool 2.
0:15:59 > 0:16:03- The game between Bargoed and Ebbw - was moved to Eugene Cross Park...
0:16:03 > 0:16:05- ..because of floodlight failure.
0:16:06 > 0:16:08- It didn't hinder - the Bargoed performance.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- They ran out comfortable winners.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15- Pontypridd may have - been eliminated...
0:16:15 > 0:16:18- ..but there was still an - exciting match at Sardis Road.
0:16:18 > 0:16:23- The home team scored four tries - including this one for Joe Davies.
0:16:24 > 0:16:28- Merthyr showed why they had - already won Pool 3 by fighting back.
0:16:28 > 0:16:33- They scored five tries - including this one for Adam Hoskins.
0:16:37 > 0:16:43- Merthyr comfortably out in front in - Pool 3 to progress to the last four.
0:16:45 > 0:16:51- Aberavon knew they had to beat - Cardiff to stay alive in the pool.
0:16:53 > 0:16:57- The home team started strongly - with Jakob Williams too quick...
0:16:57 > 0:16:59- ..in thought and deed for Cardiff.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02- He stayed in support - to score the try.
0:17:07 > 0:17:11- Cardiff haven't had much success - in this competition this season...
0:17:12 > 0:17:16- ..but there was a crumb of comfort - in this try scored by Ceri Young.
0:17:21 > 0:17:23- Good play by Corbisiero.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26- The winger has set up the platform.
0:17:26 > 0:17:30- Ryan Thomas continues the move - and sets it up for Josh Guy.
0:17:31 > 0:17:35- Guy out to Morgan Williams. That's - a clean break by the fly half.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39- The support is there from Llewellyn, - who scores the try.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43- He's extended the lead - of the men in black.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47- Morgan breaks away.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- The support is from Gareth Beer - and then Garyn Daniel.
0:17:51 > 0:17:54- The prop is too strong - for the defence and he scores.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00- Pearce claims the loose ball.
0:18:02 > 0:18:05- The kick ahead is easy - for Dan Howells.
0:18:06 > 0:18:10- Mike Powell shows a clean - pair of heels to the defence.
0:18:10 > 0:18:13- Howells is there in support.
0:18:13 > 0:18:17- He's going to close the gap - for Bridgend to just one point.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22- That's a dummy - by the hooker, Merriman.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26- The forwards set up - the platform for Tantum.
0:18:27 > 0:18:32- There are men on the wing waiting - and it goes to the prop, Daniel.
0:18:32 > 0:18:36- Bridgend lead - for the very first time.
0:18:36 > 0:18:39- Murphy feeds the scrum.
0:18:39 > 0:18:43- The scrum turns and - Bridgend have the advantage.
0:18:43 > 0:18:45- O'Driscoll to Murphy.
0:18:47 > 0:18:52- Out to the wing and Matthew Edwards - is chasing down his own kick.
0:18:52 > 0:18:55- Edwards scores - and seals the victory.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02- Only one point separated - the two at the top of Pool 4.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06- Bridgend secure their place - in the semi-finals.
0:19:08 > 0:19:10- They are into the semi-finals.
0:19:10 > 0:19:14- Next Saturday on S4C, there's - live coverage of the National Cup.
0:19:15 > 0:19:16- Llanelli take on Pontypool...
0:19:17 > 0:19:20- ..and we'll have highlights - on Clwb 2 on Sunday night.
0:19:20 > 0:19:24- By the way, Ralio on S4C on - Wednesday features Elfyn Evans...
0:19:25 > 0:19:29- ..who is hitting the heights - in the World Rally Championship.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32- He finished sixth today - in the Monte Carlo Rally.
0:19:32 > 0:19:34- Many congratulations to him.
0:19:35 > 0:19:36- It's ice hockey next.
0:19:36 > 0:19:39- The Cardiff Devils had some - big games this weekend...
0:19:39 > 0:19:42- ..and it all started - in Coventry last night.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49- Hold on tight, you'll need - to concentrate watching this.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52- There were four goals - in the first five minutes.
0:19:52 > 0:19:55- Layne Ulmer got the first - for the Devils.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58- Coventry Blaze responded - almost immediately.
0:19:58 > 0:20:03- TJ Syner took advantage of some - indecisive defending to level it.
0:20:05 > 0:20:10- Only 30 seconds later - the home side were in front.
0:20:10 > 0:20:14- Another untidy goal - with Ashley Tait the scorer.
0:20:16 > 0:20:18- The Devils' second - was much better...
0:20:19 > 0:20:22- ..with the head coach, Andrew Lord, - finishing off a good move...
0:20:23 > 0:20:25- ..after losing three matches - last week.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28- The second period - was even more crazy.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31- Joey Martin made it 3-2 - to the Devils.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36- Everything was going - the way of the Devils.
0:20:37 > 0:20:41- Ulmer took advantage after some good - work from Doucet and Bentivoglio.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49- It soon became 5-2 thanks - to the best move of the match.
0:20:49 > 0:20:53- End to end stuff and a scintillating - pass from Matthew Myers...
0:20:53 > 0:20:55- ..set up Ulmer for his hat-trick.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01- If you thought that was it, - you were mistaken.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05- Every game is a fiery encounter - but this one almost exploded.
0:21:05 > 0:21:06- Arguments, fighting...
0:21:07 > 0:21:10- ..and players being sent off - left, right and centre.
0:21:10 > 0:21:13- A busy period for the officials.
0:21:15 > 0:21:19- Amidst all the confusion, Coventry - managed to get back into the match.
0:21:19 > 0:21:23- A clever pass created the chance - for Shawn Boutin to make it 5-3.
0:21:24 > 0:21:29- With two Cardiff players off - the ice, Marc Cantin made it 5-4.
0:21:33 > 0:21:37- Coventry tried to level the score - in the final period...
0:21:37 > 0:21:42- ..but Bordeleau picked up the puck - and fed Jake Morissette.
0:21:42 > 0:21:43- No problem for him. 6-4.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48- You wouldn't expect that to be that.
0:21:48 > 0:21:51- Cardiff had two players off again - and Blaze scored again...
0:21:52 > 0:21:54- ..this time through Brett Robinson.
0:21:55 > 0:22:00- With Coventry on the attack, the - Devils broke free to win the match.
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- Jake Morissette kept his cool
0:22:06 > 0:22:07- The Devils celebrated - following all the madness.
0:22:10 > 0:22:13- The Devils lost tonight - against Sheffield Steelers...
0:22:13 > 0:22:17- ..which means it's even closer - at the top of the Elite League.
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0:22:32 > 0:22:35- Welcome back as we turn - our attention to football.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39- My guest is very familiar - with the world of football.
0:22:39 > 0:22:40- He has seen most of it!
0:22:40 > 0:22:43- Dylan Llewelyn, - welcome to the programme.
0:22:43 > 0:22:48- Dylan has made a special programme - for S4C about Hillsborough.
0:22:48 > 0:22:49- It airs this week.
0:22:50 > 0:22:53- We'll discuss it later - after we've seen a bit of football.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57- It was quite a weekend as Swansea - City won against Liverpool.
0:22:57 > 0:23:01- Cardiff beat Burton thanks to - Rhys Healey, once of Connah's Quay.
0:23:01 > 0:23:03- Newport won a point - but what about Wrexham?
0:23:04 > 0:23:07- They faced their neighbours - and fiercest enemies, Chester.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21- Elliott Durrell, the former Wrexham - player, takes the Chester free kick.
0:23:21 > 0:23:23- Astles with the touch - and it hits the bar!
0:23:24 > 0:23:26- It falls for the captain, Tom Shaw.
0:23:26 > 0:23:30- He blasted it over.
0:23:31 > 0:23:31- Lloyd.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34- Johnny Hunt is another former - Wrexham man.
0:23:34 > 0:23:36- Carrington steals it.
0:23:39 > 0:23:39- McLeod passes back to Russell Penn.
0:23:39 > 0:23:44- Anthony Barry has time to weigh up - his cross towards Jordan White.
0:23:44 > 0:23:47- He's up with the keeper, Lynch, - and it falls for Rooney!
0:23:48 > 0:23:52- It's a corner kick to Wrexham - from the shot by John Rooney.
0:23:54 > 0:23:57- Durrell with the corner - towards Kane Richards.
0:23:57 > 0:23:59- It's back to Durrell.
0:23:59 > 0:24:01- Alibi puts Chester in front!
0:24:02 > 0:24:03- No, it's offside.
0:24:03 > 0:24:08- Mr Hicks was right on the spot - and Dean Keates is thankful.
0:24:10 > 0:24:14- Theo Vassell is a defender - who loves going forward.
0:24:14 > 0:24:16- He has a powerful left foot!
0:24:17 > 0:24:21- Chris Dunn makes the save - but concedes the corner.
0:24:21 > 0:24:22- SECOND HALF
0:24:23 > 0:24:24- Barry to Paul Rutherford.
0:24:25 > 0:24:29- They combine well down the right - as Barry gets the ball again.
0:24:29 > 0:24:32- Ryan Astles, once of Rhyl, - makes the clearance.
0:24:33 > 0:24:36- Rutherford kept his eyes - on the ball, as did Astles.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40- Penn to Mark Carrington.
0:24:40 > 0:24:42- Carrington to Barry.
0:24:42 > 0:24:46- Just look at the time and space - that Barry has, Rooney!
0:24:47 > 0:24:51- Wrexham take the lead - through John Rooney...
0:24:51 > 0:24:54- ..seven minutes - into the second half.
0:24:54 > 0:24:58- Barry was given the Freedom - of Chester to make that cross.
0:24:59 > 0:25:00- Rooney with the goal.
0:25:03 > 0:25:04- This is Rutherford.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09- Once again, Barry - is in acres of space.
0:25:09 > 0:25:11- Rooney calls for it.
0:25:11 > 0:25:13- Rooney!
0:25:13 > 0:25:16- Astles with the interception - up to Durrell.
0:25:16 > 0:25:19- Durrell goes past Penn.
0:25:19 > 0:25:23- He spreads the play - towards James Alibi.
0:25:23 > 0:25:25- A lovely pass from Elliott Durrell.
0:25:26 > 0:25:28- James Jennings is the defender.
0:25:28 > 0:25:30- Penn is also there.
0:25:30 > 0:25:33- Penn brings down Alibi - and it's a penalty!
0:25:34 > 0:25:38- Once again, Mr Hicks - was in the right place.
0:25:39 > 0:25:43- No doubt in the referee's mind - but how much contact was there?
0:25:44 > 0:25:45- Not much indeed.
0:25:45 > 0:25:46- Alibi.
0:25:47 > 0:25:52- Alibi against Dunn - and Dunn is sent the wrong way.
0:25:52 > 0:25:53- It's all square.
0:25:54 > 0:25:57- Just look at what it means - to James Alibi.
0:25:57 > 0:25:59- Chester 1-1 Wrexham.
0:26:01 > 0:26:03- Barry to Rutherford.
0:26:03 > 0:26:06- How many times have we mentioned - that partnership.
0:26:07 > 0:26:11- Barry still has it and, once again, - he has the chance to cross the ball.
0:26:12 > 0:26:13- Carrington!
0:26:13 > 0:26:18- A superb save by Alex Lynch - to deny Carrington.
0:26:19 > 0:26:21- Shaw out to Vassell.
0:26:22 > 0:26:25- Luke George demands the ball - and Rutherford is brought down.
0:26:26 > 0:26:29- been shown a yellow card.
0:26:30 > 0:26:31- It's a second yellow...
0:26:32 > 0:26:36- ..and Chester will play - the final 15 minutes with ten men.
0:26:36 > 0:26:39- A red card for Luke George.
0:26:40 > 0:26:44- Tilt to Rutherford and the touch - from Massanka towards Rooney.
0:26:44 > 0:26:47- It comes back to Rutherford!
0:26:49 > 0:26:51- That was a hair's breadth - wide of the post.
0:26:53 > 0:26:56- First impression, - it wasn't a penalty.
0:26:58 > 0:26:58- it wasn't a penalty.
0:26:58 > 0:27:00- I'll look back and see it again.
0:27:00 > 0:27:03- It was given. - Am I surprised? No, not really.
0:27:03 > 0:27:06- Fifty-fifty decisions - didn't go our way.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09- My biggest concern - was that we were on the break.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13- It's ended up going - from their 18-yard box...
0:27:13 > 0:27:15- ..after some decent play by us.
0:27:15 > 0:27:17- Then we give the penalty away.
0:27:17 > 0:27:19- It's something - that needs addressing.
0:27:21 > 0:27:23- A point for Wrexham away from home.
0:27:24 > 0:27:26- Dylan Llewelyn is my guest.
0:27:26 > 0:27:28- Both teams are outside the league...
0:27:29 > 0:27:31- ..but it's still competitive - between them.
0:27:31 > 0:27:35- The highlight of their season - are the two derby games.
0:27:35 > 0:27:39- Especially at this time of year when - all hope of promotion has gone...
0:27:39 > 0:27:42- ..unless you're an eternal optimist.
0:27:43 > 0:27:45- They look forward to this game...
0:27:45 > 0:27:49- ..but they will be disappointed - not to have closed out the match.
0:27:49 > 0:27:51- It was a harsh penalty...
0:27:51 > 0:27:55- ..but an extra two points might - have brought a glimmer of hope.
0:27:56 > 0:28:00- After that draw, they will - look forward to next season.
0:28:00 > 0:28:03- They will be playing Chester - twice again.
0:28:03 > 0:28:06- Let's take a look at the table.
0:28:06 > 0:28:10- I am an optimist and they're closer - to the play-offs than relegation.
0:28:11 > 0:28:13- That hasn't meant much this season.
0:28:13 > 0:28:14- Ten points.
0:28:14 > 0:28:15- Ten points.- - Is there any hope?
0:28:15 > 0:28:19- There next two games are - Boreham Wood and Guiseley at home.
0:28:20 > 0:28:22- They are games - you would expect them to win.
0:28:22 > 0:28:27- Swansea proved this weekend - that no game is a sure thing.
0:28:28 > 0:28:32- They tend to slip up against these - smaller, part-time teams.
0:28:32 > 0:28:36- They seem to lift their game - against Wrexham at the Racecourse.
0:28:37 > 0:28:39- Then they play away at Dover.
0:28:39 > 0:28:42- If they could win those three games, - I might agree with you.
0:28:43 > 0:28:43- It's a tough ask.
0:28:44 > 0:28:47- I'm an eternal optimist. - We have to talk about Swansea.
0:28:48 > 0:28:51- Liverpool fans won't agree - but what a result!
0:28:51 > 0:28:54- You thought they were doomed - with Hull and Sunderland.
0:28:55 > 0:28:57- Has one afternoon changed - it all for Swansea?
0:28:57 > 0:29:00- They didn't concede three, - like they usually do.
0:29:01 > 0:29:04- They conceded two - but showed plenty of character.
0:29:04 > 0:29:06- To be honest, - Liverpool did help them.
0:29:07 > 0:29:11- The first half was an extended - training session for Paul Clement.
0:29:11 > 0:29:13- They made it easy for them.
0:29:14 > 0:29:16- Tactically and with enthusiasm...
0:29:16 > 0:29:20- ..they were definitely - playing for the manager.
0:29:20 > 0:29:22- They haven't done that all season.
0:29:22 > 0:29:26- They deserved it. Three efforts - on goal and three goals.
0:29:26 > 0:29:31- Llorente was on fire - and Sigurdsson scored the winner.
0:29:31 > 0:29:34- There is hope but they have - to beat the teams around them...
0:29:35 > 0:29:37- ..rather than producing - the odd shock result.
0:29:38 > 0:29:42- It was quite an afternoon - and a great weekend for Swansea.
0:29:43 > 0:29:45- There's a big weekend - to come next weekend.
0:29:45 > 0:29:49- Sgorio is live from the Oval - in Caernarfon as they meet Rhyl...
0:29:49 > 0:29:50- ..in the Welsh Cup.
0:29:52 > 0:29:52- Earlier this week...
0:29:52 > 0:29:56- ..Malcs went to meet the man who is - inspiring the Cofis, Nathan Craig.
0:29:58 > 0:30:01- Caernarfon can't wait - for the match against Rhyl...
0:30:01 > 0:30:03- ..in the Welsh Cup next Saturday.
0:30:03 > 0:30:06- Caernarfon has always been - a football town.
0:30:06 > 0:30:08- Football and Caernarfon FC...
0:30:08 > 0:30:11- ..have been close to the heart - of one very special Cofi...
0:30:12 > 0:30:13- ..Nathan Craig.
0:30:14 > 0:30:15- Everyone in the town know you...
0:30:16 > 0:30:19- ..but your footballing journey - didn't begin in Caernarfon.
0:30:20 > 0:30:21- It was at Everton.
0:30:21 > 0:30:24- Yes, I signed for Everton - when I was twelve.
0:30:25 > 0:30:27- The following week they told me...
0:30:28 > 0:30:32- ..they were flying out to Boston, - Massachusetts, in America.
0:30:32 > 0:30:35- There was an U12s tournament - out in America.
0:30:36 > 0:30:38- They invited me along.
0:30:38 > 0:30:41- The first thing I had to do - was speak English!
0:30:42 > 0:30:45- I wasn't used to that - coming from Caernarfon!
0:30:45 > 0:30:49- You played at the Everton Academy - and did well.
0:30:49 > 0:30:51- Wales then came knocking.
0:30:51 > 0:30:55- I remember how it felt to wear a - Wales shirt but how did you feel?
0:30:55 > 0:30:57- There's no better feeling.
0:30:57 > 0:31:01- Walking out, wearing the shirt - and singing the National Anthem.
0:31:01 > 0:31:06- From that U21 side, many of the - players have done really well.
0:31:06 > 0:31:08- Yes, indeed.
0:31:09 > 0:31:14- Joe Allen, Neil Taylor, Ashley - 'Jazz' Richards, Wayne Hennessey.
0:31:14 > 0:31:18- You played with those players - in the U21 side.
0:31:18 > 0:31:22- How did it feel watching them - in France last summer?
0:31:22 > 0:31:24- It was a bit odd.
0:31:29 > 0:31:35- I used to room with - Ashley 'Jazz' Richards...
0:31:35 > 0:31:35- ..when we travelled to countries - like Turkey to play in tournaments.
0:31:35 > 0:31:38- It was a bit odd - and I was also a bit gutted.
0:31:39 > 0:31:43- They are the players - that I've come through with...
0:31:44 > 0:31:45- ..in the U17s and U21s.
0:31:45 > 0:31:48- It was good to see them succeed.
0:31:48 > 0:31:51- You did well and got into - the Wales set-up...
0:31:51 > 0:31:55- ..and you must have hoped to - break into the Everton side.
0:31:56 > 0:31:58- It looked like you would - but what went wrong?
0:31:58 > 0:32:02- I didn't feel that confident.
0:32:03 > 0:32:04- When I turned 18...
0:32:05 > 0:32:10- ..Everton signed Bilyaletdinov - for 20 plus million.
0:32:11 > 0:32:13- He didn't get a place - in the first team!
0:32:13 > 0:32:15- I played every week - in the reserves...
0:32:16 > 0:32:18- ..and he was on the bench - for the first team.
0:32:18 > 0:32:22- There is a pecking order - at every football club.
0:32:22 > 0:32:24- It was disappointing.
0:32:24 > 0:32:27- No-one likes to be released - from a football club.
0:32:28 > 0:32:31- I remember the day
0:32:31 > 0:32:33- I left the training ground in shock.
0:32:34 > 0:32:38- I realised that I had tried my best - and had done everything I could.
0:32:39 > 0:32:42- These days, you are Mr Caernarfon.
0:32:42 > 0:32:45- You visit all the local schools.
0:32:45 > 0:32:47- You get to spot - all the young talent.
0:32:48 > 0:32:53- I visit local primary schools - and secondary ones like Syr Hugh.
0:32:54 > 0:32:57- I also run after-school clubs - in the primary schools.
0:32:58 > 0:33:03- We target schools in Caernarfon
0:33:06 > 0:33:08- Now to the big game against Rhyl.
0:33:09 > 0:33:12- Last season, you weren't promoted - despite winning your division.
0:33:13 > 0:33:16- Is there a point to prove - against Rhyl?
0:33:16 > 0:33:18- We're the underdogs - from a lower division.
0:33:19 > 0:33:21- We'll play the game without - pressure.
0:33:21 > 0:33:24- We will enjoy the game - and it's live on the television.
0:33:25 > 0:33:29- Last time we played in front of - the TV cameras was against TNS.
0:33:29 > 0:33:34- of that opening half an hour...
0:33:34 > 0:33:39- ..and carry on against Rhyl with - the crowd behind us, we can win.
0:33:39 > 0:33:42- I don't know about you, but I'm - looking forward to Saturday.
0:33:43 > 0:33:44- Thanks for the cuppa and good luck.
0:33:45 > 0:33:46- Thanks, Malcs.
0:33:51 > 0:33:54- Thanks for the cuppa! - Surely Malcolm paid for the drinks?
0:33:55 > 0:33:58- We're all looking forward to that - game live on Sgorio on Saturday.
0:33:59 > 0:34:00- Caernarfon taking on Rhyl.
0:34:01 > 0:34:04- Looking forward might not be - the most fitting words...
0:34:04 > 0:34:08- ..for mentioning the football - documentary on Tuesday on S4C.
0:34:08 > 0:34:10- Dylan Llewelyn has produced it.
0:34:10 > 0:34:14- It's called Hillsborough, - Yr Hunllef Hir. (The Long Nightmare)
0:34:14 > 0:34:15- Here's a clip.
0:34:16 > 0:34:18- I can't see or hear - the name Hillsborough...
0:34:19 > 0:34:21- ..without it taking me back to 1989.
0:34:21 > 0:34:24- It sends a shiver down my spine.
0:34:25 > 0:34:29- A real shiver like pins and needles.
0:34:29 > 0:34:31- A physical sensation.
0:34:33 > 0:34:35- The happiest day of your life, - a semi-final.
0:34:36 > 0:34:38- This shouldn't happen - at a football match.
0:34:42 > 0:34:45- The fear that loved ones - weren't coming home...
0:34:46 > 0:34:49- ..was just something - I wouldn't wish on anybody.
0:34:49 > 0:34:51- It was absolutely dreadful.
0:34:51 > 0:34:53- The disaster is people dying.
0:34:53 > 0:34:58- The tragedy was how the families and - survivors were treated afterwards.
0:34:58 > 0:35:01- Never pick on people from Liverpool - because they'll come back.
0:35:02 > 0:35:05- They did pick on the wrong people - because they are unbelievable.
0:35:06 > 0:35:08- I feel guilty to this day.
0:35:08 > 0:35:10- I froze on the spot - and didn't help anyone.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14- I must live with that.
0:35:15 > 0:35:17- It's something I try to forget.
0:35:18 > 0:35:19- It's hard.
0:35:20 > 0:35:21- Yes, it's hard.
0:35:23 > 0:35:24- Aye.
0:35:27 > 0:35:29- That programme is - on S4C on Tuesday night.
0:35:30 > 0:35:31- Dylan Llewelyn produced it.
0:35:32 > 0:35:35- Was it as hard to make - as it is to watch?
0:35:36 > 0:35:39- The whole process has been so hard.
0:35:40 > 0:35:41- It was a real challenge.
0:35:42 > 0:35:46- Pleasure isn't the word - but there is a satisfaction.
0:35:46 > 0:35:50- It was an honour to speak to and - meet them and share experiences.
0:35:51 > 0:35:56- It's also important to remind people - that this is still on-going.
0:35:56 > 0:36:00- People may assume it's - all over after so many years...
0:36:00 > 0:36:02- ..but we haven't got there yet.
0:36:03 > 0:36:05- Difficult but an honour.
0:36:05 > 0:36:09- Closure is the big term.
0:36:09 > 0:36:13- Is what happened afterwards the - thing that drives them onwards?
0:36:13 > 0:36:18- One of the campaigners, Phil - Scraton, appears on the programme.
0:36:18 > 0:36:22- He has some interesting thoughts on - closure and disclosure.
0:36:22 > 0:36:26- I think we are getting closer - to the end of the campaign.
0:36:27 > 0:36:30- Programmes like the one coming up - show it is important...
0:36:31 > 0:36:34- ..to talk openly about - feelings and pain and the grief.
0:36:34 > 0:36:38- Anything that helps people - get to that point is useful.
0:36:38 > 0:36:40- I'm glad I've had - the chance to contribute.
0:36:41 > 0:36:45- There's still the tendency to - use terms like disaster lightly.
0:36:45 > 0:36:48- There were people on the radio - using it to describe...
0:36:48 > 0:36:51- ..Liverpool's - defeat to Swansea yesterday.
0:36:51 > 0:36:52- Context is everything.
0:36:53 > 0:36:56- Even some Liverpool fans need - reminding what happened...
0:36:56 > 0:37:00- ..and that a disaster is something - that stays with you forever.
0:37:00 > 0:37:02- It is one of those JFK moments.
0:37:02 > 0:37:05- I remember going to Hillsborough - for the first time.
0:37:05 > 0:37:08- You suddenly remember - and it takes your breath away.
0:37:09 > 0:37:12- Had you been back there - before you made this programme?
0:37:12 > 0:37:15- I had never been back.
0:37:15 > 0:37:19- Going back there gives you a chill.
0:37:19 > 0:37:21- Everyone knows the name.
0:37:22 > 0:37:25- Hillsborough is indelibly connected - with that disaster.
0:37:25 > 0:37:28- I heard someone memorably say - in Sheffield...
0:37:28 > 0:37:30- ..that it's another city's disaster.
0:37:31 > 0:37:34- Some things will never be - forgotten.
0:37:34 > 0:37:40- The stadium, the Leppings Lane End, - carries a very dark connotation.
0:37:41 > 0:37:43- Thank you for joining us.
0:37:44 > 0:37:47- Everyone should watch - your programme.
0:37:47 > 0:37:50- Thank you for joining us on Clwb 2.
0:37:51 > 0:37:54- We're back next Sunday but there's - lots of sport on S4C this week.
0:37:55 > 0:37:58- It includes the - Hillsborough programme on Tuesday.
0:37:59 > 0:38:02- Sgorio tomorrow, Ralio and - rugby and football on Saturday.
0:38:03 > 0:38:06- Plenty for all. - See you next week. Goodnight.