:00:09. > :00:16.Supporters of Peterborough and Colchester, feel free to rearrange
:00:17. > :00:26.the following words in their right order, time, barn, squeaky. It is
:00:27. > :00:31.
:00:31. > :00:35.definitely that time of the year. - - bum. Tonight, the chase for a new
:00:35. > :00:39.talent. How the controversial new academy system is affecting our
:00:39. > :00:42.clubs. English football needs to progress in catch up with the rest
:00:42. > :00:45.of the world. It is getting livelier in the boardroom as our
:00:45. > :00:50.chairman's share thoughts about the influence of the Premier League on
:00:50. > :00:54.a lowly clubs. Before someone came in and said, vote for this or you
:00:54. > :00:59.will lose all this money. The club whose promotion dream is still
:00:59. > :01:08.alive as they head for the end-of- season play-offs. What a goal! What
:01:08. > :01:13.an absolute peach of a goal! Good evening. It is going to the
:01:13. > :01:18.wire for Colchester. Everything hinges on the final game in this
:01:18. > :01:22.season. The same story for Peterborough. Who better to talk us
:01:22. > :01:27.through the situation is Barry Fry. He is alongside Perry. Have you
:01:27. > :01:33.done the marathon this morning? I had I wouldn't be here now!
:01:33. > :01:36.know you are past when the Pink Panther runs past year. So that is
:01:37. > :01:40.a know them. First, a glimpse into the future. The introduction of new
:01:40. > :01:44.rules governing the recruitment of new players means there are fears
:01:44. > :01:51.that many clubs will lose out the chance to attract promising local
:01:51. > :01:53.talent. EPPP, you might have heard of it, but what is it. The Elite
:01:54. > :02:03.Player Performance Plan. A brand new youth development scheme for
:02:04. > :02:07.
:02:07. > :02:12.the future. They are the future. The Premier League wanted it, the
:02:12. > :02:15.FA backed it, Football League clubs have had to embrace it. You have
:02:15. > :02:18.got to move with the Times, you cannot hold that what is going on.
:02:18. > :02:22.English football needs to progress and catch up with the rest of the
:02:22. > :02:25.world. If you want to be the best, you have to be amongst the best,
:02:25. > :02:30.playing against the best and this is where I think this football club
:02:30. > :02:33.and the youth policy deserves to be. Our club feels that we need to be a
:02:33. > :02:37.category one academy to produce some of the best players in the
:02:37. > :02:40.country, to produce players ready for our first team. I would prefer
:02:40. > :02:45.to continue in the way that we have been doing things in the past
:02:45. > :02:48.because it has been working for us. Controversial, but the former
:02:49. > :02:56.academy and centre of excellence scheme scrapped in favour of a new
:02:56. > :03:01.40th system, guaranteeing more funding for youth football. Ipswich
:03:02. > :03:07.opted for category too. They receive a Premier League grant
:03:07. > :03:10.worth half-a-million. Day-to-day, from 12 months ago there is quite a
:03:10. > :03:14.distance -- different. It has been driven by the bigger clubs. There
:03:14. > :03:18.are a lot of things in there that will benefit them. The smaller
:03:18. > :03:21.clubs can also, there is a lot there for them. There are improved
:03:21. > :03:24.hours and if you are doing the job properly you will still get your
:03:24. > :03:31.players through and that is ultimately what it is all about,
:03:31. > :03:35.producing players that will play in your first team. Under EPPP
:03:35. > :03:39.guidelines it is not just about producing footballers but also
:03:39. > :03:43.providing an education. As well as increasing coaching at was the
:03:43. > :03:48.clubs have to build two classrooms and take on extra staff. The idea
:03:48. > :03:52.is to produce footballers. That is the ultimate aim. You're not here
:03:52. > :03:57.as a training college but you are here to provide footballers. We
:03:57. > :04:00.know not everyone will make it. Statistics nationally mean 15% of
:04:00. > :04:03.those who start an apprenticeship will still be playing
:04:03. > :04:07.professionally at 21. We spend a lot of guys off to university to
:04:07. > :04:12.study sports science or business of physiotherapy, proper courses,
:04:12. > :04:15.proper degrees. It gives them opportunities to make them a
:04:15. > :04:18.rounded citizens as well as a professional footballer. You have
:04:18. > :04:24.been here three years and have just been offered a first professional
:04:24. > :04:28.contract. Yes, I have. It was quite a nice surprise. After Christmas. I
:04:28. > :04:31.have been working hard for about three years so what is good to have
:04:31. > :04:35.an award at the end of it. You're not just here to play football and
:04:35. > :04:39.learn football but you also learning in a classroom as well.
:04:39. > :04:43.Definitely. Throughout the two years we have been doing a be
:04:43. > :04:50.taking sports science and an NVQ in sports excellence so that has kept
:04:50. > :04:56.our brains busy throughout the year of. After the scholarship system,
:04:56. > :04:59.the EPPP system actually allows you to further your education even more.
:04:59. > :05:08.They are a Premier League club with world-class facilities. Norwich is
:05:08. > :05:15.a category 1, investing �2.3 million a year. Hello, welcome to
:05:15. > :05:18.Norwich academy, have a look around. We are here to support a football
:05:18. > :05:22.team and serve our supporters. That is the first message sick you see
:05:22. > :05:32.when you come in the reception and underpins our academy in the
:05:32. > :05:33.
:05:33. > :05:36.football club. Cumin. Was this physio room here before? He it was
:05:36. > :05:42.not. This is part of being category one. Some of the requirements we
:05:42. > :05:46.have had to make his there to provide this. Under EPPP we have
:05:46. > :05:49.had to double our workforce. We now have 22 full-time employees and
:05:49. > :05:55.these are all the offices where the new staff were can plan and prepare
:05:55. > :06:01.for the sessions. He cannot go in there until the ball is in there.
:06:01. > :06:07.10 teams from under nines to under 20 ones, 140 hautboys as all -- in
:06:07. > :06:13.all, an annual budget exceeding �2 million and a whopping �775,000
:06:13. > :06:17.worth of grants. One of the big changes under the EPPP is the U21
:06:17. > :06:22.squad falls within the academy department. Their player pathway
:06:22. > :06:26.now is monitored and guided by the Academy's staff. Last week
:06:26. > :06:30.Norwich's under-18s reached the FA Youth Cup final for the first time
:06:30. > :06:36.in 30 years. They beat Nottingham Forest on penalties. It puts our
:06:36. > :06:39.name on the map. It is a national tournament. It is the biggest youth
:06:39. > :06:45.competition in the country and so obviously to tie in with a first
:06:45. > :06:51.year of category One status, it could not be timed any better.
:06:51. > :06:56.is getting the ball into space... This is one of our brand new
:06:56. > :07:01.classrooms. We use it for learning and for match analysis.
:07:01. > :07:05.facilities are state-of-the-art and with at the 90 minute rule now
:07:05. > :07:09.scrapped, category One clubs like this can now sign the best
:07:09. > :07:13.youngsters from anywhere in the country. MK Dons are category three
:07:13. > :07:17.and little has changed but they now line-up against Peterborough and
:07:17. > :07:22.Northampton and Southend and Stevenage. I feel a lot of the EPPP
:07:22. > :07:25.is being changed because of the top clubs and they want to pay low
:07:25. > :07:29.money for our players and they want to be able to get access to them so
:07:29. > :07:32.they can now scout from the undermines all the way through.
:07:32. > :07:37.They can relocate them from Category One clubs. It has not been
:07:37. > :07:42.so good for lowly clubs. Colchester are in category to and have taken
:07:42. > :07:45.on an extra 100 boys through their development centres. The only some
:07:45. > :07:48.will -- the only downside on EPPP for me is that other clubs are
:07:49. > :07:52.doing what we would have been doing anyway. It has been very rewarding
:07:52. > :07:55.and boys who might have chosen to go to other clubs are choosing to
:07:55. > :08:01.come to Colchester. A boy is being approached by other clubs are
:08:01. > :08:09.choosing to stay at Colchester. It has already paid back dividends.
:08:09. > :08:12.is a long-term initiative but EPPP could prove to be a lucrative
:08:12. > :08:15.investment. This EPPP is a controversial scheme.
:08:15. > :08:19.The idea is that they will give the players more coaching hours and in
:08:19. > :08:24.the long term it will benefit the England national team. More home-
:08:24. > :08:27.grown players will come through, do you see that as a benefit? It is
:08:27. > :08:32.all very well having more caging hours if you have quality coaching.
:08:32. > :08:35.If you have bad coaching them the players will not improve. That is a
:08:36. > :08:41.positive. When the Premier League sat down with the Football League
:08:41. > :08:45.clubs it was not a nation, not -- ultimatum, not a negotiation. It is
:08:45. > :08:52.too heavily weighed in front of the Premier clubs. I was at the meeting
:08:52. > :08:55.where it was decided and voted upon and we did not have any choice.
:08:55. > :09:00.Greg Clark said that the Premier League, backed by the FA, have come
:09:00. > :09:05.up with this. You will get the money providing you agree to these
:09:05. > :09:09.new rules. It was blackmail. I stood up then and there and said it
:09:09. > :09:14.was blackmail. How different is it? It is miles different because you
:09:15. > :09:19.can lose your young players and get 12 grand a year, if you ever get it,
:09:19. > :09:23.whereas I have sold players at Peterborough for millions of pounds,
:09:23. > :09:26.millions of pounds as young 16- year-old or 17 year-olds and that
:09:26. > :09:32.takes that away. It just makes it easier for the Premiership to come
:09:32. > :09:37.to your ground, watch every game and nick a player for peanuts.
:09:37. > :09:41.90 minute rule whether player lives within 90 minutes of the Grand can
:09:41. > :09:44.only play for their club, that has gone now. It has gone now and that
:09:44. > :09:47.benefits the Premier League. Consider playing -- pay millions of
:09:47. > :09:50.pounds for young players which is great for the club that they pay
:09:51. > :10:00.that money to and you can reinvested in developing new youth,
:10:00. > :10:04.you get peanuts. Why does -- why do some teams seemed happy and others
:10:04. > :10:08.not? Robbie at Colchester has really not lost any players.
:10:09. > :10:13.Everybody wants to stay with him. I don't agree with that, everybody
:10:13. > :10:18.doesn't want to stay with a club. The get Arsenal, Manchester United,
:10:18. > :10:20.they are all at our games and they make the players. Is unbelievable.
:10:20. > :10:27.We're also seeing a lot of football League clubs abolishing the youth
:10:27. > :10:30.system. This is the trouble. We get to but -- �210,000 from the Premier
:10:30. > :10:35.League and we have to match that with one third of their. We
:10:35. > :10:39.actually spend �250,000 of hours and the chairman puts another
:10:39. > :10:43.�250,000 in. We are very youth- orientated. That has been all
:10:43. > :10:47.throughout your time at the club, it has been about that, selling
:10:47. > :10:50.players. Exactly right. You have got to if you are Peterborough
:10:50. > :10:54.United, you have got to sell players. When I first owned the
:10:54. > :10:58.club, the first thing I did was head hunted Dave Roberts and app,
:10:58. > :11:02.our head of youth and put him in charge to restructure the taller he
:11:02. > :11:07.has done brilliantly. We have had 3 the 16-year-old make their debuts
:11:07. > :11:11.in the championship. We have had seven that of them on the bench.
:11:11. > :11:16.Our club, with Darren in charge, he get those kids and that is what I
:11:16. > :11:19.sell to the young mums and dads. I say, you let your mum -- boy come
:11:19. > :11:23.here and my manager will give them a chance if they are good enough.
:11:23. > :11:28.At the big clubs they will be forgotten about. We could talk all
:11:28. > :11:31.night and we will come back to this. There was another nail-biting
:11:31. > :11:38.finale for Posh. They are not the only team putting their fans
:11:38. > :11:41.through the mail. -- Mill.
:11:41. > :11:45.-- Mill. Not good enough, we have let the
:11:45. > :11:49.fans down. Karl Robinson pulling no punches under the MK Dons play-off
:11:49. > :11:54.hopes were ended with a defeat against Scunthorpe. Karl Hawley had
:11:54. > :11:58.the only goal of the game just before half-time. This was a
:11:58. > :12:02.disappointing result for both MK Dons and also Colchester United, as
:12:02. > :12:06.we will hear in a moment. An improved second half M Paul --
:12:06. > :12:10.performance did little to placate Karl Robinson. After the match she
:12:11. > :12:16.said he was embarrassed and far from happy. There was even talk of
:12:16. > :12:20.a summer clear-out at MK Dons. Robinson not the only one tearing
:12:20. > :12:24.his hair out. Colchester manager Joe Dunne was also angry after the
:12:24. > :12:28.goalless draw against Shrewsbury Wycherley's Colchester just one
:12:28. > :12:32.place above the drop zone and three points ahead of Scunthorpe going
:12:32. > :12:36.into next week's final match of the season against Carlisle. It might
:12:36. > :12:39.have been worse but for the goalkeeper Sam Walker. Colchester
:12:39. > :12:45.have their own chances and they can only hope they don't regret missing
:12:45. > :12:49.them come next Saturday. Stevenage are pretty much already
:12:49. > :12:54.on the beach. Half an eye on next season, League One sees the --
:12:54. > :12:57.state is all but retained before Graham Westley's return. Aden Flint
:12:57. > :13:01.and Gary Roberts steering Swindon towards the play-offs with two
:13:01. > :13:06.first-half goals before Stevenage were reduced to 10 when Dani Lopez
:13:06. > :13:13.saw red. Three-end had his second and Swindon's third. Graham Westley
:13:13. > :13:18.is promising a long season, his players have been warned. They are
:13:18. > :13:28.guaranteed now to be in League One, as are the MK Dons. Not so the
:13:28. > :13:40.
:13:40. > :13:50.pressure. The Colchester United supporters have been superb stop -
:13:50. > :13:55.
:13:55. > :14:05.-. You would rather be in Colchester's shoes. If they get a
:14:05. > :14:05.
:14:05. > :14:11.point then Scunthorpe could win 8-0 and it would make no difference.
:14:11. > :14:16.Colchester it is their senior players now. It is the experienced
:14:16. > :14:24.players who needs to make the difference. Which way do you see it
:14:24. > :14:33.going? To the finish.Plenty still to come. As the Cobblers begin to
:14:33. > :14:43.wonder who they would get in the play-offs, and posh affair - - posh
:14:43. > :14:45.
:14:45. > :14:54.repair for. There are teams going in and out. The relationship with the
:14:54. > :15:04.football league is important. will have some fascinating thoughts
:15:04. > :15:08.
:15:08. > :15:12.will have some fascinating thoughts on our earlier topic - EPPP. They
:15:12. > :15:22.have to and packed but Northampton field to blow down the promotion
:15:22. > :15:32.door. Clarke Carlisle gave the Cobblers the lead. Liam Chilvers
:15:32. > :15:35.
:15:35. > :15:45.with the equaliser. And this cracker from Roy O'Donovan. This late own
:15:45. > :16:00.
:16:00. > :16:10.goal virtually guarantees all feel The first goal inside a minute.
:16:10. > :16:26.
:16:26. > :16:32.Southend fought back. They were Final score 2-1.
:16:32. > :16:42.Southend guaranteed in week two. is important that they win that
:16:42. > :16:46.
:16:46. > :16:56.game. Guaranteed in the play-offs. They could play Bradford, urchin, or
:16:56. > :16:57.
:16:57. > :17:07.Cheltenham. They have done brilliantly. Last year they would
:17:07. > :17:13.
:17:13. > :17:22.have been relegated. 35,000 Northampton fans at Wembley.
:17:22. > :17:29.I hope Northampton go up, but I hope Barnet beat them. Next the latest
:17:29. > :17:39.instalment of our roundtable ramblings. Starring Darragh
:17:39. > :17:40.
:17:40. > :17:50.MacAnthony, David Cardoza. This week the subject is the Premier league.
:17:50. > :17:51.
:17:51. > :17:58.Is it a force for good or bad? League Two it is a positive. Money
:17:58. > :18:08.flows down to the clubs. Going back to the splits that we have talked
:18:08. > :18:11.
:18:11. > :18:20.about, it is not their decision. brings interest to football. They
:18:20. > :18:25.throw as a few bones here and there. They work with as on certain things.
:18:25. > :18:35.It is up to our chairman to negotiate. It is not up to the
:18:35. > :18:37.
:18:37. > :18:41.Premier League. We have got to say that we need this. There are 18
:18:41. > :18:51.clubs in the Championship which are former Premier league clubs. That is
:18:51. > :18:52.
:18:52. > :18:59.a massive proportion. The Premier League is not a fixed item. Members
:19:00. > :19:05.of the football league keep going in and out. We can all be proud of what
:19:05. > :19:09.the Premier League has been able to do to stop it is better than all the
:19:09. > :19:12.other leagues and we want that to continue, but we wanted to be done
:19:12. > :19:17.in a way that its joins up with everything else that is happening
:19:18. > :19:27.because you cannot avoid that. If you talk - - if you took the motion
:19:28. > :19:32.
:19:33. > :19:42.and relegation away... The football league, the history over the years,
:19:43. > :19:44.
:19:44. > :19:54.if you shut up the relegation and promotion shop... You may as well go
:19:54. > :19:56.
:19:56. > :20:06.home. There has to be continual communication. What about Wigan ten
:20:06. > :20:09.
:20:09. > :20:13.years ago? What about Swansea? You guys have got the stadium, I don't
:20:13. > :20:20.when you are in the Championship you bought a lottery tickets for
:20:20. > :20:28.potential entry into the Premier League. The academies are
:20:28. > :20:35.developing. In Milton and because we have been successful we now have all
:20:35. > :20:42.of the big football clubs such as Chelsea starting to open development
:20:42. > :20:52.centres in Milton Keynes. And EPPP rules they can go anywhere in the
:20:52. > :20:52.
:20:53. > :20:58.country. They have multi-million pound budgets. Health, education.
:20:58. > :21:07.They say to the school that they can pay for their facility and ran a
:21:07. > :21:15.development centre. The schools are bit. It does not just undermine it
:21:15. > :21:22.for the players, it undermines everything. They Premier League got
:21:22. > :21:30.what they wanted with the youth thing. They said they would take
:21:30. > :21:33.this away if we did not say yes. of the big clubs have enough money
:21:33. > :21:43.that if they spot somebody they want they can buy them and we can get
:21:43. > :21:44.
:21:44. > :21:51.money to be more sustainable. Kind of how it used to work. Before
:21:51. > :21:58.someone came in and said, vote for this or you will lose money.
:21:58. > :22:06.mess with something? What is the biggest thing supporters love?
:22:07. > :22:14.Watching a home-grown player do well on the pitch. That is what English
:22:14. > :22:24.football is about. That should be the future. That has got to be the
:22:24. > :22:24.
:22:24. > :22:34.pen a goal. Strong views there from the chairman. The Premier League has
:22:34. > :22:35.
:22:35. > :22:39.ruined the football league. 23 million new one, 18 million year
:22:39. > :22:43.two, nine million new three. There will be 12 clubs in the Championship
:22:43. > :22:52.next year. How do you compete with that? How is it a level playing
:22:52. > :23:00.field? It is not football. Premier League needs the football league.
:23:00. > :23:10.There has to be that gene. - - that dream. The money needs to be spread
:23:10. > :23:16.out more evenly. Can that still happen? It is very difficult. A team
:23:16. > :23:19.coming down from the Premier League has a budget of 23 million. At such,
:23:19. > :23:29.12 years in the Championship, and it looks like they will stay in the
:23:29. > :23:32.
:23:32. > :23:42.championships. - - Ipswich town. He has tightened the ship. He is a
:23:42. > :23:50.
:23:50. > :24:00.proper manager. That was his first goal since 2008. Tommy Smith has
:24:00. > :24:05.
:24:05. > :24:15.been the key. A future captain. 51 points. You play this team next
:24:15. > :24:18.
:24:18. > :24:27.week, Barry Fry? Sheffield Wednesday were down the bottom with others.
:24:27. > :24:37.Next Saturday is massive for us. They have sold 5000 tickets already.
:24:37. > :24:40.
:24:40. > :24:48.So get to London Road. Raw on the lads. I can't argue with that.
:24:48. > :24:52.could still do a job. It was not so good yesterday stop it was a
:24:52. > :24:59.disaster yesterday, but we had gone ten games unbeaten which is
:24:59. > :25:07.fantastic. Derby County played us off the park from start to finish.
:25:07. > :25:12.13 corners in the first half hour unbelievable. You can't criticise
:25:12. > :25:21.our players. They have done marvels to get where we are. He lost eight
:25:21. > :25:31.of our first ten home games. Well done to my chairman for keeping
:25:31. > :25:36.Darren went 50% of other managers got the elbow. He has kept that
:25:36. > :25:46.belief in the players. Hopefully that will play dividends. He has
:25:46. > :25:47.
:25:47. > :25:57.known since day one that he would be manager. But Darren said he wanted
:25:57. > :26:06.
:26:06. > :26:13.to stay in the Championship. All the top clubs are looking at this
:26:13. > :26:23.player. He has a great right foot will stop he jumps like John
:26:23. > :26:26.
:26:26. > :26:36.Charles. Do you get money from other clubs? There is a big amount of
:26:36. > :26:36.
:26:36. > :26:46.money if Halle gets promotion. We have got drugs and drugs in League
:26:46. > :26:46.
:26:47. > :26:54.One and League Two secured - - we have got bits and pieces in League
:26:54. > :27:00.One and League Two secured. We have got to win against Sheffield
:27:00. > :27:10.Wednesday. Darren Ferguson said that they need to win the last two
:27:10. > :27:11.
:27:11. > :27:20.matches. Why was to mark just in case all the others when. Darren is
:27:20. > :27:23.saying it is in our own hands. The start we had up until January, if
:27:24. > :27:33.they had seen this with two games to go, they would have snatched your
:27:34. > :27:56.
:27:56. > :28:06.relegated? By million stop a massive difference. - - �5 million. Darren
:28:06. > :28:07.
:28:08. > :28:14.has done brilliantly. Are you going to get down London Road? Tricky
:28:14. > :28:22.winger, I'm your man. You need goalscorers to get yourself out of
:28:22. > :28:32.that trouble they went ten unbeaten. Setback at the weekend that it is in
:28:32. > :28:32.