:00:29. > :00:39.The fifth year running that a North East club has won the trophy. Kevin
:00:39. > :00:44.
:00:44. > :00:47.Phillips talks fondly about his Good evening.
:00:47. > :00:49.We have our big three all represented in the studio tonight.
:00:49. > :00:51.Joining Middlesbrough's League Cup winner Danny Mills, former
:00:51. > :00:54.Newcastle defender Steve Howey and ex-Sunderland striker Marco
:00:54. > :00:57.Gabbiadini. First up, it's the Boro. And relief
:00:57. > :01:07.all round that the season is finally over. Matthew Raisbeck
:01:07. > :01:10.
:01:10. > :01:20.describes yesterday's action at A wretched second have meant
:01:20. > :01:24.
:01:24. > :01:29.Middlesbrough have finished closer worse when Leroy Lita doubled
:01:29. > :01:36.Sheffield Wednesday's lead. Christian Burgess headed over from
:01:36. > :01:46.a corner, as Christian Burgess offered more after the break. With
:01:46. > :01:51.
:01:51. > :01:55.no away win in 2013, Tony Mowbury's Where do they go some here? If I
:01:55. > :02:00.was the owner or the chairman I would want to know what plans are
:02:00. > :02:08.and place to stop this happening again. This is the second year
:02:08. > :02:13.running. Last year they died in the second have of the season. You need
:02:13. > :02:19.reasons, or it you need the manager to come and say, to stop this
:02:19. > :02:26.happening again, this is what I need. Half of Teesside will hate me,
:02:26. > :02:33.but does Steve Gibson need to have a serious chat with Tony Mowbury?
:02:33. > :02:39.His position has to be under threat. It is two back-to-back seasons were
:02:39. > :02:45.this has happened. There will be a big debate, there will have to be a
:02:45. > :02:55.lot of reassurances. Danny is involved in a charity match, on
:02:55. > :02:58.18th May. They will be playing some FA elections. Lots of former
:02:59. > :03:03.Middlesbrough players will be involved in that one. Things are
:03:03. > :03:08.not looking much brighter for Newcastle or Sunderland after the
:03:08. > :03:17.last seven days. Here is how the bottom of the Premier League looks,
:03:17. > :03:26.and it is not very attractive. Wigan, 35 games, 35 points.
:03:26. > :03:32.Sunderland have played 35 games, Newcastle 36 played and 38.
:03:33. > :03:38.Sunderland play tomorrow. Yes, a massive game. Playing on a Monday
:03:38. > :03:43.night is a disadvantage. But also a test of character. We have been
:03:43. > :03:48.looking forward to these two fixtures as a way out of this
:03:48. > :03:52.trouble. The Derby victory and the Everton victory were probably a bit
:03:52. > :03:59.unexpected. Looking at how the other fixtures have gone, it is a
:03:59. > :04:03.good job we did when most two games. By Thursday morning, Wigan play
:04:03. > :04:09.Swansea as their extra game, we will know a lot more about where
:04:09. > :04:15.things are going to be. It is just changing, we have all been doing
:04:15. > :04:18.predictors and it takes some working out what is going to happen.
:04:18. > :04:23.Obviously Newcastle managed to pick up a point yesterday, but Sunder
:04:23. > :04:30.land as well, how catastrophic is that when you get a floor wiping
:04:30. > :04:35.out they have both had? Newcastle against Liverpool, the
:04:35. > :04:40.disappointing thing from my point of view was have Newcastle just
:04:40. > :04:48.give up. I think they will take heart from the point they got
:04:48. > :04:52.against West Ham's. It is not an easy place to go. With Andy Carroll
:04:52. > :04:58.and Kevin Nowlan being there, they will definitely want to put one
:04:58. > :05:04.over on them. To get to a point, they will be happy with that.
:05:04. > :05:09.has been lots of stuff raging about, we have had this suggestion of the
:05:09. > :05:15.dressing room split. Is that just a cliche or is there real substance
:05:15. > :05:19.to that? There is talk of language problems with the French influx.
:05:19. > :05:25.There is always a little bit of truth in it because you get finger-
:05:25. > :05:29.pointing, it is not my fault, it is your fault. Those foreign players
:05:29. > :05:35.who can speak in their native language tend to stick together.
:05:35. > :05:41.They will watch each other's backs, it is only natural. It happens, how
:05:41. > :05:45.bad it is, only those inside Newcastle will know. Alan Pardew
:05:45. > :05:49.has been disappointed with the speculation. Then we get a
:05:49. > :05:56.different tone in his post-match interview, he is critical of the
:05:56. > :06:02.media, not really as laid-back as he has been. Does that get to the
:06:02. > :06:09.players as well? They see the manager is tetchy, does that send a
:06:09. > :06:12.different signal to the dressing room? The players will be aware the
:06:12. > :06:19.manager is disappointed and the amount of stick that the players
:06:19. > :06:24.got after the Liverpool game. There will be little groups there, this
:06:24. > :06:28.and that happening in dressing rooms. He will be quick to quash
:06:28. > :06:37.that and also more reserved, and then again more angry with the
:06:37. > :06:45.media because of the fact of them spreading rumours. And then Paulo,
:06:45. > :06:53.he is milking it with those two great wins. Does it do flayed him
:06:53. > :07:03.at all, his aura that he has built? I think the reaction in the Derby
:07:03. > :07:08.was probably understandable and a similar reaction to Alan Pardew. At
:07:08. > :07:15.the Everton match I think he was very controlled, he took his seat
:07:15. > :07:19.quietly. He reacted afterwards. It was a massive victory against one
:07:19. > :07:25.of the top teams. Everton are consistently up there. At the
:07:25. > :07:35.moment there's a little bit of a siege mentality going on. For many
:07:35. > :07:45.
:07:45. > :07:55.years, Mark macro 1 and No. Ten -- Marco Fu and wore the number ten
:07:55. > :08:00.
:08:00. > :08:08.By originally drove to the new stadium to meet Peter Reid and got
:08:08. > :08:15.turned away because the stadium was not even finished. I met him and he
:08:15. > :08:25.drove along the seafront, I could not believe it was near the sea.
:08:25. > :08:25.
:08:25. > :08:29.From the very early days, they scored and had an incredible season.
:08:29. > :08:39.I just wanted to play a league games. Part I believed I could
:08:39. > :08:49.
:08:49. > :08:58.It ended with you scoring 30-odd goals, scoring at Wembley, the
:08:58. > :09:03.play-off final and not being able to take one of the penalties.
:09:03. > :09:10.To break Brian Clough's record of Wembley to get my 35th goal was of
:09:10. > :09:20.great achievement. What are a great place to do it. I dreamt of playing
:09:20. > :09:27.there as a child. That next season, 105 points, must have been one of
:09:27. > :09:32.those seasons you dream about? Yes. It was a big season all round,
:09:32. > :09:40.individually and collectively. The previous season was not really
:09:40. > :09:44.mentioned. Peter Reid made it clear we would forget about it. We kept
:09:44. > :09:53.the bulk of the players and we have a great chance of achieving great
:09:53. > :09:57.things here. Two seventh place finishes. Both times you were even
:09:57. > :10:06.higher and looking like you could get into Europe. Was addictive
:10:06. > :10:15.appointment? Yes, I would say so. At one point, we were playing at
:10:15. > :10:23.Upton Park. If we had one, we would have been Premier League. With
:10:23. > :10:27.hindsight, should you have may be moved earlier? It is a tricky one.
:10:27. > :10:33.I had six fantastic years there, and Sunderland rewarded me very
:10:34. > :10:39.handsomely. I will always be indebted to them. Some people say
:10:39. > :10:44.they should have moved on us. At the end of the day, I loved it in
:10:44. > :10:53.the North East and I believe we would be going places. That is why
:10:53. > :10:57.I committed myself to the club for a long time. I remember going back
:10:57. > :11:03.the first time to play there for Aston Villa. We beat them quite
:11:03. > :11:07.comfortably, but the reception I got brought a lump to my throat.
:11:07. > :11:12.Talking to supporters now, they had never clapped and a way player
:11:12. > :11:17.scoring a goal. I remember they were clapping as I walked back to
:11:17. > :11:23.the centre circle, even though I had scored against them. I will
:11:23. > :11:33.always have a soft spot in my heart for Sunderland. One day I might go
:11:33. > :11:39.
:11:39. > :11:45.back in a coaching capacity. In Well, Marco, from one famous No.
:11:45. > :11:51.Ten to another. If you do the business there, up front, they
:11:51. > :11:56.embrace you. Yes, he is not the first Sunderland player to get
:11:56. > :12:04.bitten by the bulk of the supporters. I was the same one I
:12:04. > :12:11.came to the north. They were in the Third Division when I joined.
:12:11. > :12:17.you know it was by the sea? I did not. It is not known for its beach,
:12:17. > :12:20.but it is really beautiful. There was a lot of stuff I did not know.
:12:20. > :12:26.I was attractive there because my previous manager was at the club
:12:26. > :12:32.and it was a step up for me. But once you have played for them, and
:12:32. > :12:42.the supporters, those away games are really memorable. What was the
:12:42. > :12:45.
:12:45. > :12:50.story about Kevin Keegan bringing Rob Lee appear? I think when he was
:12:50. > :12:56.at Charlton there was a chance of him going to Middlesbrough and
:12:56. > :13:04.Kevin got on the phone and said, come to Newcastle, it is closer to
:13:04. > :13:11.London than Middlesbrough is. could of course just go and get a
:13:11. > :13:16.map out. Kevin Phillips is 40 in July, he is a striker. We're used
:13:16. > :13:23.to a left back surviving him that long. Teddy Sheringham played until
:13:23. > :13:29.41. He adapted his game, and looked after himself. Kevin has really
:13:29. > :13:32.taken care of himself. Does your goal record help, you can get away
:13:32. > :13:39.with sticking around because they know you will put the ball in the
:13:39. > :13:45.net? He is not running the channels any more, he is in and around the
:13:45. > :13:52.box. Also the younger players can learn a lot from him. And he talks
:13:52. > :13:56.about potentially returning to Sunderland as a coach. Just because
:13:56. > :14:05.you played for the club and you love the club does not mean you're
:14:05. > :14:15.going to be a great manager. Congratulations to Spennymoor town.
:14:15. > :14:18.
:14:19. > :14:28.Tunbridge Wells hoping to bring the FA have as back to the North East
:14:29. > :14:29.
:14:29. > :14:32.for a fifth successive year. They got off to the perfect start. The
:14:32. > :14:42.Northern League side dominated without finding a careless second
:14:42. > :14:51.
:14:51. > :15:01.strike of a decisive blow. Andrew Stephenson could not find a way
:15:01. > :15:04.
:15:04. > :15:14.afternoon for Spennymoor who add their name to the FA have as
:15:14. > :15:17.
:15:17. > :15:22.I thought we were the better team by far, but when the chances were
:15:22. > :15:31.going you start to think, it is not going to be a day. We thoroughly
:15:31. > :15:35.deserved to win, but we never make things easy. I was dreaming about
:15:35. > :15:41.that moment last night, when I saw it, there was nothing stopping that
:15:41. > :15:47.ball going in the net. It was literally the best feeling in the
:15:47. > :15:57.world. It is one of those things where you think it is never going
:15:57. > :16:00.
:16:00. > :16:08.to happen. You think, is it going It is becoming a real North East
:16:08. > :16:18.love affair. The fifth here in a row. Staggering. It is fantastic
:16:18. > :16:18.
:16:18. > :18:11.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 112 seconds
:18:11. > :18:17.for the area. It shows you what the It will be very interesting to see
:18:17. > :18:27.what Greg himself actually doors in the summer. I know he is out of
:18:27. > :18:43.
:18:43. > :18:53.We have been talking to Ron Guthrie. The left back who holds a special
:18:53. > :19:33.
:19:33. > :19:43.Back in 1970 it, the flamboyant coach helped to lead them through
:19:43. > :19:55.
:19:55. > :20:05.There was a cracking crowd there for that game. 3,700. The ground
:20:05. > :20:06.
:20:06. > :20:13.was not that big. Chesterfield were managed by Arthur Cox. Yes. I
:20:13. > :20:23.remember playing their game and he kept shouting at me, give me a
:20:23. > :20:25.
:20:25. > :20:31.Spartans were disappointed to draw Enfield, another non-League outfit.
:20:31. > :20:41.But they won through in the snow and took their place in the last 32.
:20:41. > :20:41.
:20:41. > :20:51.They were the best non-League team A bad winter meant postponement
:20:51. > :20:59.school law. -- postponement galore. When the game was finally played,
:20:59. > :21:09.headlines were made. About 60 buses stopped on the M6 just outside
:21:09. > :21:24.
:21:24. > :21:34.Stoke because the police would not In north-east football, they were
:21:34. > :21:36.
:21:36. > :21:41.really trying to win., by the time you played Wrexham, Jackie marks
:21:41. > :21:47.was using the speed oil tactics. I understand that was something to do
:21:47. > :21:54.with you? In Newcastle and Sunderland, there is always a
:21:54. > :22:01.bottle of whisky on the table. Some teetotallers would take a small Nat
:22:01. > :22:08.out of the bottle before they went on the pitch. Everyone had a little
:22:08. > :22:18.drink before they went out., these today are the potential giant-
:22:18. > :22:21.
:22:21. > :22:30.killers., it comes to Johnson and he touches it in! Johnson turns to
:22:30. > :22:35.the delight -- turns to be delighted applied supporters.,
:22:35. > :22:40.after 88 minutes, you must have thought you were there. That is one
:22:40. > :22:45.of my best memories and one of my worst memories. We got a corner
:22:46. > :22:51.kick that was in the corner kick. They go take a corner and we didn't
:22:51. > :22:59.realise it at the time. The corner flag wouldn't stay because the
:22:59. > :23:04.ground was frozen and they ticketed. They said, you'll have to take it
:23:04. > :23:10.again. And then they scored from a corner kick. The word heartbreaking
:23:10. > :23:20.comes to mind. I will say again, it is one of my best and worst
:23:20. > :23:21.
:23:21. > :23:26.memories., life had been cruelly denied a place. But they were still
:23:26. > :23:29.in the competition. With cup fever sweeping the north-east and are
:23:29. > :23:35.still waiting for the winners of the last eight, it was decided that
:23:35. > :23:38.the fifth round replay could not be staged at the park, so they hosted
:23:38. > :23:45.Wrexham at St James' Park in front of the biggest crowd of their
:23:45. > :23:49.history. 42,157. Sadly, two first- half goals for the Welsh team
:23:49. > :23:58.proved too much. Despite Terry Johnson's fourth try of the
:23:58. > :24:08.competition later on. The cup was everything to people in those days.
:24:08. > :24:12.
:24:12. > :24:16.It became folklore. Well, Marco, you were in their ten
:24:16. > :24:21.years later. Get that actually happen? Was there whisky in the
:24:21. > :24:27.changing room? I think that most clubs in that he that dead, we
:24:27. > :24:31.called it team spirit at York City. It was an old Lucozade bottle. Most
:24:31. > :24:37.of the lads did not have that but the apprentices would finish it off.
:24:37. > :24:41.Have you come across this as well, it's the? I have. When I was an
:24:41. > :24:51.apprentice. The lad would come back with the cat and there would be a
:24:51. > :25:00.
:25:00. > :25:04.bottle of whisky. You, of course, totally puritanical full support.
:25:04. > :25:08.It was 40 years to the day since Sunderland won the FA Cup. Do these
:25:09. > :25:13.things again more and more momentum the longer that the years go past?
:25:13. > :25:20.They take on an even bigger credence at hand over clubs, do you
:25:20. > :25:23.think? I think as far as Newcastle fans are concerned, as it was that
:25:23. > :25:29.long ago if it comes that is great and we have had a few opportunities
:25:29. > :25:33.to get silverware. In the 1970s we had an opportunity to win the
:25:33. > :25:41.league and we didn't. And also, two cup finals. In both cases we lost
:25:41. > :25:49.out. I think Bob said it, he wished that Newcastle would win something
:25:49. > :25:53.because he is sick of getting reminded. At the moment, Newcastle
:25:53. > :25:59.can pick up any silverware. It is going on longer. At the same time,
:25:59. > :26:04.it would be nice to get that kind of money in the back in the future.
:26:04. > :26:08.Was the 73 thing died when you're at Sunderland? It was one of those
:26:08. > :26:11.things that when you look back, it was only 15 or 16 years a since
:26:11. > :26:18.they won the Cup. It is not something that they shut down your
:26:18. > :26:24.throat when you went to the club. You begun to eat legend that had
:26:24. > :26:30.won the Cup. It does go in scale, I think. It was great to celebrate
:26:30. > :26:39.that. It was also special because so many of the lads were from
:26:39. > :26:42.Sunderland and still all left in the area. It was special. Is it
:26:42. > :26:52.time for the North East to surrender this hotbed of football
:26:52. > :26:54.
:26:54. > :26:58.pack? The non-League clubs are doing very well. The youth systems
:26:58. > :27:04.will always produce players. I'm talking tough upend, winning player
:27:04. > :27:09.has and winning the Cup. Endorsed terms, yes, but we will always need
:27:09. > :27:15.players and they will always be fantastic fans. Thank you, guys. It
:27:15. > :27:22.is indeed a 40 years ago to the day since the League Cup was
:27:22. > :27:29.sensationally won at Wembley. Goodnight. The mood among the lads
:27:29. > :27:35.seemed very relaxed. Is that a fair indication? Very relaxed indeed.
:27:35. > :27:38.When you come edged to see the fans, the atmosphere is fantastic.