Episode 10

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:00:09. > :00:16.Good evening. Tonight we can live from BBC Broadcasting House. Brian

:00:16. > :00:26.Horton response after the reports and reveals the real state of the

:00:26. > :00:38.

:00:38. > :00:44.Coming up, Karl Oyston on that 11 million. And Blackpool's multi-

:00:44. > :00:49.million-pound bonus scheme. Are they on the same if they go up

:00:49. > :00:54.again? Yes, I've been the highest earner was just about �400,000. He

:00:54. > :00:59.had played nearly all the games. How the Shakers are planning to

:00:59. > :01:07.stop their slide. And is there light at the end of the relegation

:01:07. > :01:11.tunnel for the struggling silk men? With me, the manner in Dickie

:01:11. > :01:16.Macclesfield Town in the Football League, Brian Horton, and then

:01:16. > :01:22.Oldham Athletic legend, Andy Ritchie. First, while Blackpool's

:01:23. > :01:27.play-off push hasn't made many headlines, and �11 million payment

:01:27. > :01:33.to the Oyston family certainly has. One newspaper has accused them of

:01:33. > :01:38.banking money they should have put into the club. Karl Oyston invited

:01:38. > :01:42.me to the family estate in Lancashire to on to the questions.

:01:43. > :01:47.We took a stroll across his land before talking agent, bonuses and

:01:47. > :01:53.first of all, those headlines. But papers have been having a field

:01:53. > :01:57.day, talking about this �11 million payment. Has it been a rough few

:01:57. > :02:05.months? I think it has been a rough time for my father and manager, who

:02:05. > :02:10.should be above and beyond any criticism, the way they have

:02:10. > :02:16.supported club and where Ian has taken the club. I don't look at

:02:16. > :02:23.these things, but I think and just criticism or on the shin of fact is

:02:23. > :02:31.always hard to take, like any injustice. A were you surprised by

:02:31. > :02:37.the venom into of the report? some of the report? In any walk of

:02:37. > :02:47.life, if we had made those profits, we would have been up for a

:02:47. > :02:47.

:02:47. > :02:51.business award. It is the perverse nature of football, sadly. So this

:02:51. > :02:57.11 million quid, is that there if the club needed? It is not being

:02:57. > :03:02.spent? It is there if we needed, just like many has been there

:03:02. > :03:07.during the 25 years of his ownership -- if we need it. He has

:03:07. > :03:13.often funded the club at substantial cost to himself. Do you

:03:13. > :03:17.know how much money your cup has put into Blackpool? I don't, no one

:03:17. > :03:21.really cares how much we put in, although care about is that the

:03:21. > :03:27.results on the pitch and our league status. It is easy to forget where

:03:27. > :03:32.we have come from and how quickly we have gone where we have gone.

:03:32. > :03:36.And how much stronger and solvent... There are very few clubs that own

:03:36. > :03:43.their own ground without a mortgage, we are particularly strong, and

:03:43. > :03:49.will remain strong, that is the main method of staying strong, for

:03:49. > :03:55.me to do what I have always done, not take risks, not Gamble, to make

:03:55. > :03:59.sensible, objective decisions. this 11 million quid part of the

:03:59. > :04:04.scheme to avoid the tax bill? Does your dad see it as the best way

:04:04. > :04:10.forward? It is not the scheme, it is effectively efficient tax

:04:10. > :04:14.planning. The money has not gone to my father, it has gone to a company.

:04:14. > :04:19.And that company has been the one that has lent the good baulk of

:04:19. > :04:23.money over the years, this is a repayment -- lent the Football Club

:04:23. > :04:32.money over the years. That money is available to me, the bigger

:04:32. > :04:38.question that the dirt detractors should have his wife -- is why I

:04:38. > :04:41.would spend the money on players and agents fees. I think the last

:04:41. > :04:45.time I interviewed you have formally was when you were

:04:45. > :04:52.preparing for your first Premier League season, and I were shocked

:04:53. > :04:57.by what you found, the agents, how have you been affected by this?

:04:57. > :05:01.effected particularly, surprised by the level to which agents sometimes

:05:01. > :05:06.put their own interests ahead of their client's interests. I think

:05:06. > :05:10.they should be illegal. What do they do? An agent would take a

:05:10. > :05:15.player to a club when the player would be paid less than we would

:05:15. > :05:23.pay him, saw the based on the fact that the agent was receiving more

:05:23. > :05:27.money, -- solely based. Often, they don't represent the player's best

:05:27. > :05:33.interests, and I think that is wrong. It would be acceptable in

:05:33. > :05:38.any other branch, accountancy or law, say. They have to represent

:05:38. > :05:43.your best interests. I am not saying you have set out to create

:05:43. > :05:48.an image as the scourge of agents, is that the way forward for

:05:48. > :05:52.football, to take them on? In my opinion, and we have done this

:05:52. > :05:59.unilaterally, we have made our opinion stick. You don't have to

:05:59. > :06:04.pay agent to have success in football. I can't understand why my

:06:04. > :06:08.counterparts play vast sums, tens of millions, to agents, went there

:06:09. > :06:18.is no need, there is no benefit, that money just go straight out of

:06:19. > :06:19.

:06:19. > :06:27.the game, never to return. It does but for me. -- but for me. How do

:06:27. > :06:36.you operate? Do you have stand-up rows? We very our tactics. -- we

:06:36. > :06:39.very our tactics, we played good cop, bad cop. We make an offer,

:06:39. > :06:43.which we stand or fall by, and sometimes we get the players, and

:06:43. > :06:47.sometimes we don't, for different reasons. But we have got a very

:06:47. > :06:53.good manager, and that really goes in our favour for attracting

:06:53. > :06:57.players, he has really got a track record for bringing in players from

:06:57. > :07:04.obscurity, or a bad patch in their career, and really taken them on to

:07:04. > :07:07.greater things, giving them a platform. -- of Peking of them.

:07:07. > :07:16.There was a huge bonus pot to get them to the Premier League, was

:07:16. > :07:22.that your idea? It was a joint idea. We implemented that bone structure,

:07:22. > :07:27.it worked very, very well for us. - - that bonus structure. We have

:07:27. > :07:35.always tried to incentive buys it for results, always, on every basis,

:07:35. > :07:39.appearance money, pro rata, at the bonuses are pro rata. Everything is

:07:39. > :07:43.finely tuned to watch what they actually do and what they achieve.

:07:43. > :07:47.There are far too many passengers in football, people who pick the

:07:47. > :07:51.money up and don't care. Our players and our manager do care.

:07:51. > :07:55.Not just because they have a vested interest, but it would be

:07:56. > :08:00.disingenuous to say that about them, we have players who have been with

:08:00. > :08:04.us for a long time, and it seems to work for them, this system, they

:08:04. > :08:10.are rewarded for their efforts. What was the bonus pot when you

:08:10. > :08:14.went up? About 5 million. I think the highest earner last time was

:08:14. > :08:19.about �400,000, the bonus to himself, because he played nearly

:08:19. > :08:24.all the games. So players who haven't played don't get anything

:08:24. > :08:28.unless the other players and Botham the bonus.

:08:28. > :08:34.That was just a portion of the conversation between me and Karl

:08:34. > :08:38.Oyston, you can hear all of it on BBC Radio Lancashire tomorrow night.

:08:38. > :08:45.It was a poor day on the pitch for Blackpool on Saturday. Ian Holloway

:08:45. > :08:54.slammed his team's defending. His side slumped to a 3-1 defeat at

:08:54. > :09:00.promotion rivals Reading. Lomana Lua Lua's goal was the one bright

:09:00. > :09:04.spot. It is Southampton next for Blackpool. Burnley manager Eddie

:09:04. > :09:14.Howe says he will be looking into why his side keep losing leads

:09:14. > :09:15.

:09:15. > :09:19.after a 2-2 draw at home to West Ham. Burnley couldn't hold on to a

:09:19. > :09:29.2-0 lead, as West Ham got more into the game after the break, and turn

:09:29. > :09:43.

:09:43. > :09:47.things around with two goals in two 2012, and not a single win, it is

:09:47. > :09:52.hardly a vintage year for Macclesfield Town. That dismal form

:09:52. > :09:57.left Gary Simpson out of the job last week. In his place, Karl

:09:57. > :10:07.Oyston, who would previously led them to safety in 2004 under

:10:07. > :10:15.

:10:15. > :10:21.similar circumstances. Can history lot for Macclesfield fans to talk

:10:21. > :10:26.about. It has been a tense week here. Gary Simpson's departure has

:10:26. > :10:30.not been easy for the club. Brian Horton takes charge of his first

:10:30. > :10:39.home game tonight. Everyone is working he can work his magic for a

:10:39. > :10:46.He just knows how to dig them out, when they are in trouble. Hopefully

:10:46. > :10:51.he can do it! Do you think he can? Yes! What do you make of Gary

:10:51. > :10:55.Simpson leading? I think it was inevitable, unfortunately. Every

:10:55. > :11:00.respect for the guy, but something had to be done, we have got to try

:11:00. > :11:04.and respect -- save the season. have to keep everything crossed and

:11:04. > :11:08.hope it all works out, type of thing! Do you think Brian can do

:11:08. > :11:13.it? He has done it before. You always say you should never come

:11:13. > :11:17.back, but only time will tell. Speaking to the chairman before the

:11:17. > :11:24.game, he was keen to point out that the club and Gary Simpson parted on

:11:24. > :11:29.good terms. I phoned him and said I was going to try to Sheffield to

:11:29. > :11:35.have a chat with him, so he clearly knew. The sun was shining, and we

:11:35. > :11:42.had a really pleasant 45 minutes chat in the sunshine about why when

:11:42. > :11:46.we were where we were. I think he would accept that he did everything

:11:46. > :11:51.he could, I haven't lost the support of the players and the

:11:51. > :11:59.board. Do you believe the club can stay in League football? Of course

:11:59. > :12:05.I do. As Gary said to me, he said, you are not in the bottom two.

:12:05. > :12:10.happens if time runs out? We will get on with life. It is not a

:12:10. > :12:20.future that I want to contemplate, but it is a future we are having to

:12:20. > :12:24.

:12:24. > :12:29.consider, and it is not the first chance to move away from the

:12:30. > :12:33.relegation zone. Matt Smith went close early on, but the home side

:12:33. > :12:40.had the better of the first half, but they could not find a winner.

:12:40. > :12:44.They took a point, but crept into the bottom two. Only seven games

:12:44. > :12:54.left for them to find some form to keep them in the league for the

:12:54. > :12:59.I found that spirits were not low. Going in on the Monday morning when

:12:59. > :13:04.I told Gary on Sunday afternoon that he was leaving, we spoke later

:13:04. > :13:14.on that evening and made it so that I could go to training on Monday

:13:14. > :13:14.

:13:14. > :13:20.morning. I needed to do that. Lynne Chamberlain, Gary's number two, had

:13:20. > :13:25.to pick his brains about the team. It started off great. A new manager

:13:25. > :13:31.comes in and tends to live people, a different voice. Hit the post,

:13:31. > :13:41.started well, their first attack, they scored and that has been going

:13:41. > :13:42.

:13:42. > :13:46.that way. I changed the system for the Friday 9th game against bonnet.

:13:46. > :13:56.-- Friday night game. Went for a bit more strength and resilience

:13:56. > :14:02.and that worked. We have to be better at attacking. What about the

:14:02. > :14:10.mental challenge? Yacht in the bottom two now. Funnily enough,

:14:10. > :14:16.after that game, after the Rotherham game and one of the

:14:16. > :14:20.players said, we have not then dropped into the bottom two. I said,

:14:20. > :14:24.maybe it will be a wake-up call and that is right. Now they know we

:14:24. > :14:30.have to win games. They are not above it. You have to do it

:14:30. > :14:33.yourselves. Dagenham are going to win, Hereford will win. We had an

:14:33. > :14:41.Ronnie Moore in here last week and he was talking about his deal with

:14:41. > :14:51.Tranmere, keeping them up. Is there something that you're looking at?

:14:51. > :14:53.

:14:53. > :14:59.Exactly the cent -- the same. It was nine games, go in, hopefully we

:14:59. > :15:05.will stay up. As a neutral observer, we know Brian's skills as a manager,

:15:05. > :15:08.is it easy to turn a team around in this position? If anybody can,

:15:08. > :15:14.Brian cant. I have known him for donkey's years and we go back a

:15:14. > :15:18.long way. I know that he can get the best out of players. He has a

:15:18. > :15:23.difficult start and he is away at Gillingham at the weekend. That is

:15:23. > :15:27.not an easy place to go to, but if he gets the players buying into the

:15:27. > :15:32.system that he wants to play and they feel they are stronger, I'm

:15:32. > :15:41.sure he can do it. Thank you very much before coming in. More later

:15:41. > :15:51.NEWLINE Starting with events at the top, where Crewe's unbeaten run now

:15:51. > :15:52.

:15:52. > :16:02.stands at nine after victory at BBC Radio Stoke's Graham McGarry.

:16:02. > :16:03.

:16:04. > :16:12.Sets it up for Murphy, Murphy goal! What a super skill. Went around the

:16:12. > :16:14.goalkeeper and he is home, his 6th goal of PCs and. While that result

:16:15. > :16:17.did Macclesfield a big favour, this one didn't. Accrington led against

:16:17. > :16:21.another of the Silkmen's relegation rivals thanks to this fine effort

:16:21. > :16:24.from Bobby Grant. Will Hatfield missed a great chance to double the

:16:24. > :16:28.visitors lead on the hour and should have done better from inside

:16:28. > :16:33.the box. It was a costly miss when Brian Woodall headed the Daggers

:16:33. > :16:36.level soon after. Had Stanley held on for just a few minutes more,

:16:36. > :16:40.Dagenham would have been in the bottom two now and not Macc but

:16:40. > :16:43.unfortunately they didn't. Aristote Nsiala was sent off for violent

:16:43. > :16:47.conduct giving the home side a late free kick which found the head of

:16:47. > :16:57.Scott Doe to secure an injury time win for them and a miserable trip

:16:57. > :17:11.

:17:11. > :17:14.Well, if we look at the League Two table, it shows that Crewe's nine-

:17:14. > :17:17.match unbeaten run has put them right on the fringes of the play-

:17:17. > :17:19.off places. Both Oxford and Gillingham play their games in hand

:17:19. > :17:22.tomorrow night, Oxford are at Stanley while Gillingham are at

:17:22. > :17:24.Burton. The bottom half is dominated for us by Macc's slide

:17:24. > :17:27.into the bottom two and the relegation places.

:17:27. > :17:30.In January Bury were sitting pretty just outside of the play-offs but a

:17:30. > :17:33.horrendous run since which coincided with a spate of injuries

:17:33. > :17:35.and suspensions has left them hovering above the drop zone. So

:17:35. > :17:45.going into Saturday's derby against Preston at Deepdale Shakers' boss

:17:45. > :17:54.

:17:54. > :17:59.Richie Barker knew the pressure was Football fans suffer from

:17:59. > :18:04.collective amnesia, they are prone to forget the good times and quick

:18:04. > :18:08.to focus on the back. Things recently have been pretty bad.

:18:08. > :18:14.have been difficult games, but we have pressed ourselves with a

:18:14. > :18:18.couple of mistakes that have cost us. The couple of sendings-off have

:18:18. > :18:22.cost us as well, but the positive aspect is that we have had our

:18:23. > :18:28.sticky spell and hopefully we can come through that and we are still

:18:28. > :18:37.outside the relegation zone. weather has certainly taken a turn

:18:37. > :18:42.for the better, but will bury's fortunes? The last time they lost

:18:42. > :18:49.three games on the bounce was took Swindon Town in 1932. We need a

:18:49. > :18:52.result all we are sliding towards the trapdoor. We have had to take

:18:52. > :18:59.players out on loan at so as soon as we get a few injuries, we

:18:59. > :19:01.struggle. The players stuck together last season and that is

:19:02. > :19:05.what they have to do in the next few games.

:19:05. > :19:08.As a player Richie Barker was a striker so his trade was scoring

:19:08. > :19:14.goals - it's no coincidence that since goal machine Ryan Lowe left

:19:14. > :19:18.Gigg Lane Bury have struggled. will always be difficult against

:19:18. > :19:22.the bigger clubs and that is why we have to try and manage the players

:19:22. > :19:31.in terms of injuries and suspensions to make sure that it

:19:32. > :19:34.does not affect us as bad as it has been forced up -- as it has been.

:19:35. > :19:37.At Deepdale in the spring sunshine, Bury shaded the first half forcing

:19:37. > :19:39.a succession of corners. Again there was no end product despite

:19:39. > :19:43.there was no end product despite David Amoo seeing a lot of the ball

:19:43. > :19:53.out wide. Bury deserved to be ahead forcing a series of fine saves from

:19:53. > :20:02.

:20:02. > :20:05.ice cream, anything but the game. It looked odds on for a 0-0 until.

:20:05. > :20:11.Chuks Aneke, on loan from Arsenal, hit a speculative shot - it took a

:20:11. > :20:14.deflection and PNE were heading for three points. Shakers' fans were

:20:14. > :20:16.ready to hit the bottle, and I don't mean the after-sun, but in

:20:16. > :20:26.the dying moments substitute Lateef Alford Alliyu tapped home after

:20:26. > :20:32.

:20:32. > :20:37.That is 13 without a win for Bury, but this feels like a win. Maybe it

:20:37. > :20:42.could be a point that helps keep them in League One. After half-time,

:20:42. > :20:46.we increased the urgency and tempo and played decent stuff and make

:20:46. > :20:51.good chances. We could easily have gone further ahead, because there

:20:51. > :20:55.were good moments. How are you bearing up? I am hanging in there

:20:56. > :21:00.and doing the best I can. I will give it my best and work as hard as

:21:00. > :21:07.I can sell I expect my players to work hard as well. I will keep

:21:07. > :21:11.putting all my hard work in. We talked about the run recently,

:21:11. > :21:21.Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Carlisle, it would test

:21:21. > :21:24.any team. It is difficult, but I had a game against Exeter for Radio

:21:24. > :21:31.Manchester and we spoke with one of the directors that morning and he

:21:31. > :21:34.said all they want to do is survive in the heat. If they of believing

:21:34. > :21:40.what they say, I think they can do that and they will push on that,

:21:40. > :21:45.but when you lose players who score goals, and the bishop has had a lot

:21:45. > :21:53.of injuries as well, it is difficult for the site to keep that

:21:53. > :21:57.said a form. The young manager has worked tirelessly in. I think that

:21:57. > :22:02.he should be given more backing next season. That might be able to

:22:02. > :22:09.help him depending on what happens. We must talk about Preston as well.

:22:09. > :22:17.Brian, you're former club. They are desperate for wins at the moment.

:22:17. > :22:23.Before we left, we lost our front very, so we were trying to learn

:22:23. > :22:29.people out. The players are coming back now, just about. They all good

:22:29. > :22:34.players. We were five points of the play-off, which is crazy for me, so

:22:34. > :22:40.he has brought his own players in. I know someone who went to the game

:22:40. > :22:50.and said that they were outstanding. They have good players, but he is

:22:50. > :22:54.

:22:54. > :23:01.changing it completely so it is his They might just have enough to be

:23:02. > :23:05.good. The keeper is outstanding. He just brought in in before we left.

:23:05. > :23:11.We had had him pre-season, but he was an outstanding goalkeeper.

:23:11. > :23:16.briefly, Preston and Bury, can they both stay up? Definitely false stop

:23:16. > :23:26.that was brief! Well, rounding up the rest of the

:23:26. > :23:26.

:23:27. > :23:33.weekend's League One action, here's relegation zone, Rochdale are still

:23:33. > :23:35.firmly in it after a disappointing result and performance at Brentford.

:23:36. > :23:45.It's best explained by manager John Coleman's post-match comments to

:23:46. > :23:47.

:23:47. > :23:51.BBC Radio Manchester. There is no disguising the fact that we played

:23:51. > :23:55.for the fans. Tranmere continue to march on under

:23:55. > :24:00.Ronnie Moore, it's now 14 points from 18 since he took charge from

:24:00. > :24:06.Les Parry. Joss Labadie gave them a second half lead against lowly

:24:06. > :24:09.Exeter with a crisply struck effort from outside the box. The only real

:24:09. > :24:12.surprise was that it took Rovers until injury time to make the game

:24:12. > :24:19.safe, Jake Cassidy with another neat finish that helped his side

:24:19. > :24:22.back into the top half of the table. The only thing keeping Oldham out

:24:22. > :24:25.of it is goal difference after their deserved home win over

:24:26. > :24:28.Bournemouth. Chris Taylor got the only goal, converting Kieran Lee's

:24:28. > :24:38.well-placed pass from close range as The Latics made it back-to-back

:24:38. > :24:41.Well, as Bill mentioned in his round up, there's something for us

:24:41. > :24:44.to celebrate in League One tonight, we've got a team back in the top

:24:44. > :24:48.half of the table! Tranmere are going great guns under Ronnie Moore

:24:48. > :24:51.and they go to Bury next Saturday in a key game for The Shakers. Dale

:24:51. > :24:55.will be looking for reaction to that Brentford defeat in a real

:24:55. > :25:01.six-pointer at home to Walsall. In life, we all pick up knowledge

:25:01. > :25:04.every single day. Every twist and turn teaches us something different

:25:04. > :25:08.or new. So how much does a footballer, during a 16- year

:25:08. > :25:11.playing career that has taken in no less than nine clubs, pick up in

:25:11. > :25:14.that time? Well, let's find out as that very player, Blackpool's Brett

:25:14. > :25:24.Ormerod, takes on team mate Neil Eardley in this week's One on One.

:25:24. > :25:26.

:25:26. > :25:36.Posing the questions, Dianne What is the capital city of Brazil?

:25:36. > :25:38.

:25:38. > :25:46.Procedure. Getting! What does Tarik stand for? The only way is Essex.

:25:46. > :25:54.Who played their home international matches at Livy the stadium? Where

:25:54. > :25:59.do the winners from Take Me Out go on a date? Island of Fernando us.

:25:59. > :26:05.It is all trash TV, what chance have I got? You are currently in

:26:05. > :26:15.third place in a razor. What place we be in if you pass the person in

:26:15. > :26:19.

:26:20. > :26:27.second place? Second. First. Second, thank you, why are you laughing?!

:26:27. > :26:37.Put my knowledge to the test. Dumb and Dumber, this lot. What is 72

:26:37. > :26:53.

:26:53. > :27:01.divided by 12? You haven't a clue? Is it well? 72 divided by 12?

:27:01. > :27:08.Six, Yes! This question is the tie- breaker. Which country does Ludo

:27:09. > :27:16.Sylvester come from? France. He is French! You have to be specific. Is

:27:16. > :27:26.he French or not? Technically, I'm right. Half a point. I know what it

:27:26. > :27:58.

:27:58. > :28:03.Give me a double you. Nice. A country? Guadeloupe. Yes! Are in a

:28:03. > :28:07.subway down as well now. What kind of a place is that?!

:28:07. > :28:10.It was like Inspector Crusoe trying to read a road map.

:28:10. > :28:12.With the Easter weekend and two games approaching, there's not much

:28:12. > :28:15.action for our teams this midweek. Oldham host Orient and it's

:28:15. > :28:18.Preston-Brentford in League One while Stanley could do Crewe a

:28:18. > :28:22.favour with a win over their play- off rivals Oxford. All the action

:28:22. > :28:32.and all the news from your club every day on your BBC local radio

:28:32. > :28:35.station. I don't fancy bred on the Who wants

:28:35. > :28:38.To Be A Millionaire, he would have Chris Tarrant by the throat. I

:28:38. > :28:41.think we are done now. Well, that's it for tonight. Thanks

:28:41. > :28:45.very much to Brian and to Andy, and good luck, Brian, for the remainder