:00:09. > :00:16.Good evening. Tonight we can live from BBC Broadcasting House. Brian
:00:16. > :00:26.Horton response after the reports and reveals the real state of the
:00:26. > :00:38.
:00:38. > :00:44.Coming up, Karl Oyston on that 11 million. And Blackpool's multi-
:00:44. > :00:49.million-pound bonus scheme. Are they on the same if they go up
:00:49. > :00:54.again? Yes, I've been the highest earner was just about �400,000. He
:00:54. > :00:59.had played nearly all the games. How the Shakers are planning to
:00:59. > :01:07.stop their slide. And is there light at the end of the relegation
:01:07. > :01:11.tunnel for the struggling silk men? With me, the manner in Dickie
:01:11. > :01:16.Macclesfield Town in the Football League, Brian Horton, and then
:01:16. > :01:22.Oldham Athletic legend, Andy Ritchie. First, while Blackpool's
:01:23. > :01:27.play-off push hasn't made many headlines, and �11 million payment
:01:27. > :01:33.to the Oyston family certainly has. One newspaper has accused them of
:01:33. > :01:38.banking money they should have put into the club. Karl Oyston invited
:01:38. > :01:42.me to the family estate in Lancashire to on to the questions.
:01:43. > :01:47.We took a stroll across his land before talking agent, bonuses and
:01:47. > :01:53.first of all, those headlines. But papers have been having a field
:01:53. > :01:57.day, talking about this �11 million payment. Has it been a rough few
:01:57. > :02:05.months? I think it has been a rough time for my father and manager, who
:02:05. > :02:10.should be above and beyond any criticism, the way they have
:02:10. > :02:16.supported club and where Ian has taken the club. I don't look at
:02:16. > :02:23.these things, but I think and just criticism or on the shin of fact is
:02:23. > :02:31.always hard to take, like any injustice. A were you surprised by
:02:31. > :02:37.the venom into of the report? some of the report? In any walk of
:02:37. > :02:47.life, if we had made those profits, we would have been up for a
:02:47. > :02:47.
:02:47. > :02:51.business award. It is the perverse nature of football, sadly. So this
:02:51. > :02:57.11 million quid, is that there if the club needed? It is not being
:02:57. > :03:02.spent? It is there if we needed, just like many has been there
:03:02. > :03:07.during the 25 years of his ownership -- if we need it. He has
:03:07. > :03:13.often funded the club at substantial cost to himself. Do you
:03:13. > :03:17.know how much money your cup has put into Blackpool? I don't, no one
:03:17. > :03:21.really cares how much we put in, although care about is that the
:03:21. > :03:27.results on the pitch and our league status. It is easy to forget where
:03:27. > :03:32.we have come from and how quickly we have gone where we have gone.
:03:32. > :03:36.And how much stronger and solvent... There are very few clubs that own
:03:36. > :03:43.their own ground without a mortgage, we are particularly strong, and
:03:43. > :03:49.will remain strong, that is the main method of staying strong, for
:03:49. > :03:55.me to do what I have always done, not take risks, not Gamble, to make
:03:55. > :03:59.sensible, objective decisions. this 11 million quid part of the
:03:59. > :04:04.scheme to avoid the tax bill? Does your dad see it as the best way
:04:04. > :04:10.forward? It is not the scheme, it is effectively efficient tax
:04:10. > :04:14.planning. The money has not gone to my father, it has gone to a company.
:04:14. > :04:19.And that company has been the one that has lent the good baulk of
:04:19. > :04:23.money over the years, this is a repayment -- lent the Football Club
:04:23. > :04:32.money over the years. That money is available to me, the bigger
:04:32. > :04:38.question that the dirt detractors should have his wife -- is why I
:04:38. > :04:41.would spend the money on players and agents fees. I think the last
:04:41. > :04:45.time I interviewed you have formally was when you were
:04:45. > :04:52.preparing for your first Premier League season, and I were shocked
:04:53. > :04:57.by what you found, the agents, how have you been affected by this?
:04:57. > :05:01.effected particularly, surprised by the level to which agents sometimes
:05:01. > :05:06.put their own interests ahead of their client's interests. I think
:05:06. > :05:10.they should be illegal. What do they do? An agent would take a
:05:10. > :05:15.player to a club when the player would be paid less than we would
:05:15. > :05:23.pay him, saw the based on the fact that the agent was receiving more
:05:23. > :05:27.money, -- solely based. Often, they don't represent the player's best
:05:27. > :05:33.interests, and I think that is wrong. It would be acceptable in
:05:33. > :05:38.any other branch, accountancy or law, say. They have to represent
:05:38. > :05:43.your best interests. I am not saying you have set out to create
:05:43. > :05:48.an image as the scourge of agents, is that the way forward for
:05:48. > :05:52.football, to take them on? In my opinion, and we have done this
:05:52. > :05:59.unilaterally, we have made our opinion stick. You don't have to
:05:59. > :06:04.pay agent to have success in football. I can't understand why my
:06:04. > :06:08.counterparts play vast sums, tens of millions, to agents, went there
:06:09. > :06:18.is no need, there is no benefit, that money just go straight out of
:06:19. > :06:19.
:06:19. > :06:27.the game, never to return. It does but for me. -- but for me. How do
:06:27. > :06:36.you operate? Do you have stand-up rows? We very our tactics. -- we
:06:36. > :06:39.very our tactics, we played good cop, bad cop. We make an offer,
:06:39. > :06:43.which we stand or fall by, and sometimes we get the players, and
:06:43. > :06:47.sometimes we don't, for different reasons. But we have got a very
:06:47. > :06:53.good manager, and that really goes in our favour for attracting
:06:53. > :06:57.players, he has really got a track record for bringing in players from
:06:57. > :07:04.obscurity, or a bad patch in their career, and really taken them on to
:07:04. > :07:07.greater things, giving them a platform. -- of Peking of them.
:07:07. > :07:16.There was a huge bonus pot to get them to the Premier League, was
:07:16. > :07:22.that your idea? It was a joint idea. We implemented that bone structure,
:07:22. > :07:27.it worked very, very well for us. - - that bonus structure. We have
:07:27. > :07:35.always tried to incentive buys it for results, always, on every basis,
:07:35. > :07:39.appearance money, pro rata, at the bonuses are pro rata. Everything is
:07:39. > :07:43.finely tuned to watch what they actually do and what they achieve.
:07:43. > :07:47.There are far too many passengers in football, people who pick the
:07:47. > :07:51.money up and don't care. Our players and our manager do care.
:07:51. > :07:55.Not just because they have a vested interest, but it would be
:07:56. > :08:00.disingenuous to say that about them, we have players who have been with
:08:00. > :08:04.us for a long time, and it seems to work for them, this system, they
:08:04. > :08:10.are rewarded for their efforts. What was the bonus pot when you
:08:10. > :08:14.went up? About 5 million. I think the highest earner last time was
:08:14. > :08:19.about �400,000, the bonus to himself, because he played nearly
:08:19. > :08:24.all the games. So players who haven't played don't get anything
:08:24. > :08:28.unless the other players and Botham the bonus.
:08:28. > :08:34.That was just a portion of the conversation between me and Karl
:08:34. > :08:38.Oyston, you can hear all of it on BBC Radio Lancashire tomorrow night.
:08:38. > :08:45.It was a poor day on the pitch for Blackpool on Saturday. Ian Holloway
:08:45. > :08:54.slammed his team's defending. His side slumped to a 3-1 defeat at
:08:54. > :09:00.promotion rivals Reading. Lomana Lua Lua's goal was the one bright
:09:00. > :09:04.spot. It is Southampton next for Blackpool. Burnley manager Eddie
:09:04. > :09:14.Howe says he will be looking into why his side keep losing leads
:09:14. > :09:15.
:09:15. > :09:19.after a 2-2 draw at home to West Ham. Burnley couldn't hold on to a
:09:19. > :09:29.2-0 lead, as West Ham got more into the game after the break, and turn
:09:29. > :09:43.
:09:43. > :09:47.things around with two goals in two 2012, and not a single win, it is
:09:47. > :09:52.hardly a vintage year for Macclesfield Town. That dismal form
:09:52. > :09:57.left Gary Simpson out of the job last week. In his place, Karl
:09:57. > :10:07.Oyston, who would previously led them to safety in 2004 under
:10:07. > :10:15.
:10:15. > :10:21.similar circumstances. Can history lot for Macclesfield fans to talk
:10:21. > :10:26.about. It has been a tense week here. Gary Simpson's departure has
:10:26. > :10:30.not been easy for the club. Brian Horton takes charge of his first
:10:30. > :10:39.home game tonight. Everyone is working he can work his magic for a
:10:39. > :10:46.He just knows how to dig them out, when they are in trouble. Hopefully
:10:46. > :10:51.he can do it! Do you think he can? Yes! What do you make of Gary
:10:51. > :10:55.Simpson leading? I think it was inevitable, unfortunately. Every
:10:55. > :11:00.respect for the guy, but something had to be done, we have got to try
:11:00. > :11:04.and respect -- save the season. have to keep everything crossed and
:11:04. > :11:08.hope it all works out, type of thing! Do you think Brian can do
:11:08. > :11:13.it? He has done it before. You always say you should never come
:11:13. > :11:17.back, but only time will tell. Speaking to the chairman before the
:11:17. > :11:24.game, he was keen to point out that the club and Gary Simpson parted on
:11:24. > :11:29.good terms. I phoned him and said I was going to try to Sheffield to
:11:29. > :11:35.have a chat with him, so he clearly knew. The sun was shining, and we
:11:35. > :11:42.had a really pleasant 45 minutes chat in the sunshine about why when
:11:42. > :11:46.we were where we were. I think he would accept that he did everything
:11:46. > :11:51.he could, I haven't lost the support of the players and the
:11:51. > :11:59.board. Do you believe the club can stay in League football? Of course
:11:59. > :12:05.I do. As Gary said to me, he said, you are not in the bottom two.
:12:05. > :12:10.happens if time runs out? We will get on with life. It is not a
:12:10. > :12:20.future that I want to contemplate, but it is a future we are having to
:12:20. > :12:24.
:12:24. > :12:29.consider, and it is not the first chance to move away from the
:12:30. > :12:33.relegation zone. Matt Smith went close early on, but the home side
:12:33. > :12:40.had the better of the first half, but they could not find a winner.
:12:40. > :12:44.They took a point, but crept into the bottom two. Only seven games
:12:44. > :12:54.left for them to find some form to keep them in the league for the
:12:54. > :12:59.I found that spirits were not low. Going in on the Monday morning when
:12:59. > :13:04.I told Gary on Sunday afternoon that he was leaving, we spoke later
:13:04. > :13:14.on that evening and made it so that I could go to training on Monday
:13:14. > :13:14.
:13:14. > :13:20.morning. I needed to do that. Lynne Chamberlain, Gary's number two, had
:13:20. > :13:25.to pick his brains about the team. It started off great. A new manager
:13:25. > :13:31.comes in and tends to live people, a different voice. Hit the post,
:13:31. > :13:41.started well, their first attack, they scored and that has been going
:13:41. > :13:42.
:13:42. > :13:46.that way. I changed the system for the Friday 9th game against bonnet.
:13:46. > :13:56.-- Friday night game. Went for a bit more strength and resilience
:13:56. > :14:02.and that worked. We have to be better at attacking. What about the
:14:02. > :14:10.mental challenge? Yacht in the bottom two now. Funnily enough,
:14:10. > :14:16.after that game, after the Rotherham game and one of the
:14:16. > :14:20.players said, we have not then dropped into the bottom two. I said,
:14:20. > :14:24.maybe it will be a wake-up call and that is right. Now they know we
:14:24. > :14:30.have to win games. They are not above it. You have to do it
:14:30. > :14:33.yourselves. Dagenham are going to win, Hereford will win. We had an
:14:33. > :14:41.Ronnie Moore in here last week and he was talking about his deal with
:14:41. > :14:51.Tranmere, keeping them up. Is there something that you're looking at?
:14:51. > :14:53.
:14:53. > :14:59.Exactly the cent -- the same. It was nine games, go in, hopefully we
:14:59. > :15:05.will stay up. As a neutral observer, we know Brian's skills as a manager,
:15:05. > :15:08.is it easy to turn a team around in this position? If anybody can,
:15:08. > :15:14.Brian cant. I have known him for donkey's years and we go back a
:15:14. > :15:18.long way. I know that he can get the best out of players. He has a
:15:18. > :15:23.difficult start and he is away at Gillingham at the weekend. That is
:15:23. > :15:27.not an easy place to go to, but if he gets the players buying into the
:15:27. > :15:32.system that he wants to play and they feel they are stronger, I'm
:15:32. > :15:41.sure he can do it. Thank you very much before coming in. More later
:15:41. > :15:51.NEWLINE Starting with events at the top, where Crewe's unbeaten run now
:15:51. > :15:52.
:15:52. > :16:02.stands at nine after victory at BBC Radio Stoke's Graham McGarry.
:16:02. > :16:03.
:16:04. > :16:12.Sets it up for Murphy, Murphy goal! What a super skill. Went around the
:16:12. > :16:14.goalkeeper and he is home, his 6th goal of PCs and. While that result
:16:15. > :16:17.did Macclesfield a big favour, this one didn't. Accrington led against
:16:17. > :16:21.another of the Silkmen's relegation rivals thanks to this fine effort
:16:21. > :16:24.from Bobby Grant. Will Hatfield missed a great chance to double the
:16:24. > :16:28.visitors lead on the hour and should have done better from inside
:16:28. > :16:33.the box. It was a costly miss when Brian Woodall headed the Daggers
:16:33. > :16:36.level soon after. Had Stanley held on for just a few minutes more,
:16:36. > :16:40.Dagenham would have been in the bottom two now and not Macc but
:16:40. > :16:43.unfortunately they didn't. Aristote Nsiala was sent off for violent
:16:43. > :16:47.conduct giving the home side a late free kick which found the head of
:16:47. > :16:57.Scott Doe to secure an injury time win for them and a miserable trip
:16:57. > :17:11.
:17:11. > :17:14.Well, if we look at the League Two table, it shows that Crewe's nine-
:17:14. > :17:17.match unbeaten run has put them right on the fringes of the play-
:17:17. > :17:19.off places. Both Oxford and Gillingham play their games in hand
:17:19. > :17:22.tomorrow night, Oxford are at Stanley while Gillingham are at
:17:22. > :17:24.Burton. The bottom half is dominated for us by Macc's slide
:17:24. > :17:27.into the bottom two and the relegation places.
:17:27. > :17:30.In January Bury were sitting pretty just outside of the play-offs but a
:17:30. > :17:33.horrendous run since which coincided with a spate of injuries
:17:33. > :17:35.and suspensions has left them hovering above the drop zone. So
:17:35. > :17:45.going into Saturday's derby against Preston at Deepdale Shakers' boss
:17:45. > :17:54.
:17:54. > :17:59.Richie Barker knew the pressure was Football fans suffer from
:17:59. > :18:04.collective amnesia, they are prone to forget the good times and quick
:18:04. > :18:08.to focus on the back. Things recently have been pretty bad.
:18:08. > :18:14.have been difficult games, but we have pressed ourselves with a
:18:14. > :18:18.couple of mistakes that have cost us. The couple of sendings-off have
:18:18. > :18:22.cost us as well, but the positive aspect is that we have had our
:18:23. > :18:28.sticky spell and hopefully we can come through that and we are still
:18:28. > :18:37.outside the relegation zone. weather has certainly taken a turn
:18:37. > :18:42.for the better, but will bury's fortunes? The last time they lost
:18:42. > :18:49.three games on the bounce was took Swindon Town in 1932. We need a
:18:49. > :18:52.result all we are sliding towards the trapdoor. We have had to take
:18:52. > :18:59.players out on loan at so as soon as we get a few injuries, we
:18:59. > :19:01.struggle. The players stuck together last season and that is
:19:02. > :19:05.what they have to do in the next few games.
:19:05. > :19:08.As a player Richie Barker was a striker so his trade was scoring
:19:08. > :19:14.goals - it's no coincidence that since goal machine Ryan Lowe left
:19:14. > :19:18.Gigg Lane Bury have struggled. will always be difficult against
:19:18. > :19:22.the bigger clubs and that is why we have to try and manage the players
:19:22. > :19:31.in terms of injuries and suspensions to make sure that it
:19:32. > :19:34.does not affect us as bad as it has been forced up -- as it has been.
:19:35. > :19:37.At Deepdale in the spring sunshine, Bury shaded the first half forcing
:19:37. > :19:39.a succession of corners. Again there was no end product despite
:19:39. > :19:43.there was no end product despite David Amoo seeing a lot of the ball
:19:43. > :19:53.out wide. Bury deserved to be ahead forcing a series of fine saves from
:19:53. > :20:02.
:20:02. > :20:05.ice cream, anything but the game. It looked odds on for a 0-0 until.
:20:05. > :20:11.Chuks Aneke, on loan from Arsenal, hit a speculative shot - it took a
:20:11. > :20:14.deflection and PNE were heading for three points. Shakers' fans were
:20:14. > :20:16.ready to hit the bottle, and I don't mean the after-sun, but in
:20:16. > :20:26.the dying moments substitute Lateef Alford Alliyu tapped home after
:20:26. > :20:32.
:20:32. > :20:37.That is 13 without a win for Bury, but this feels like a win. Maybe it
:20:37. > :20:42.could be a point that helps keep them in League One. After half-time,
:20:42. > :20:46.we increased the urgency and tempo and played decent stuff and make
:20:46. > :20:51.good chances. We could easily have gone further ahead, because there
:20:51. > :20:55.were good moments. How are you bearing up? I am hanging in there
:20:56. > :21:00.and doing the best I can. I will give it my best and work as hard as
:21:00. > :21:07.I can sell I expect my players to work hard as well. I will keep
:21:07. > :21:11.putting all my hard work in. We talked about the run recently,
:21:11. > :21:21.Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Carlisle, it would test
:21:21. > :21:24.any team. It is difficult, but I had a game against Exeter for Radio
:21:24. > :21:31.Manchester and we spoke with one of the directors that morning and he
:21:31. > :21:34.said all they want to do is survive in the heat. If they of believing
:21:34. > :21:40.what they say, I think they can do that and they will push on that,
:21:40. > :21:45.but when you lose players who score goals, and the bishop has had a lot
:21:45. > :21:53.of injuries as well, it is difficult for the site to keep that
:21:53. > :21:57.said a form. The young manager has worked tirelessly in. I think that
:21:57. > :22:02.he should be given more backing next season. That might be able to
:22:02. > :22:09.help him depending on what happens. We must talk about Preston as well.
:22:09. > :22:17.Brian, you're former club. They are desperate for wins at the moment.
:22:17. > :22:23.Before we left, we lost our front very, so we were trying to learn
:22:23. > :22:29.people out. The players are coming back now, just about. They all good
:22:29. > :22:34.players. We were five points of the play-off, which is crazy for me, so
:22:34. > :22:40.he has brought his own players in. I know someone who went to the game
:22:40. > :22:50.and said that they were outstanding. They have good players, but he is
:22:50. > :22:54.
:22:54. > :23:01.changing it completely so it is his They might just have enough to be
:23:02. > :23:05.good. The keeper is outstanding. He just brought in in before we left.
:23:05. > :23:11.We had had him pre-season, but he was an outstanding goalkeeper.
:23:11. > :23:16.briefly, Preston and Bury, can they both stay up? Definitely false stop
:23:16. > :23:26.that was brief! Well, rounding up the rest of the
:23:26. > :23:26.
:23:27. > :23:33.weekend's League One action, here's relegation zone, Rochdale are still
:23:33. > :23:35.firmly in it after a disappointing result and performance at Brentford.
:23:36. > :23:45.It's best explained by manager John Coleman's post-match comments to
:23:46. > :23:47.
:23:47. > :23:51.BBC Radio Manchester. There is no disguising the fact that we played
:23:51. > :23:55.for the fans. Tranmere continue to march on under
:23:55. > :24:00.Ronnie Moore, it's now 14 points from 18 since he took charge from
:24:00. > :24:06.Les Parry. Joss Labadie gave them a second half lead against lowly
:24:06. > :24:09.Exeter with a crisply struck effort from outside the box. The only real
:24:09. > :24:12.surprise was that it took Rovers until injury time to make the game
:24:12. > :24:19.safe, Jake Cassidy with another neat finish that helped his side
:24:19. > :24:22.back into the top half of the table. The only thing keeping Oldham out
:24:22. > :24:25.of it is goal difference after their deserved home win over
:24:26. > :24:28.Bournemouth. Chris Taylor got the only goal, converting Kieran Lee's
:24:28. > :24:38.well-placed pass from close range as The Latics made it back-to-back
:24:38. > :24:41.Well, as Bill mentioned in his round up, there's something for us
:24:41. > :24:44.to celebrate in League One tonight, we've got a team back in the top
:24:44. > :24:48.half of the table! Tranmere are going great guns under Ronnie Moore
:24:48. > :24:51.and they go to Bury next Saturday in a key game for The Shakers. Dale
:24:51. > :24:55.will be looking for reaction to that Brentford defeat in a real
:24:55. > :25:01.six-pointer at home to Walsall. In life, we all pick up knowledge
:25:01. > :25:04.every single day. Every twist and turn teaches us something different
:25:04. > :25:08.or new. So how much does a footballer, during a 16- year
:25:08. > :25:11.playing career that has taken in no less than nine clubs, pick up in
:25:11. > :25:14.that time? Well, let's find out as that very player, Blackpool's Brett
:25:14. > :25:24.Ormerod, takes on team mate Neil Eardley in this week's One on One.
:25:24. > :25:26.
:25:26. > :25:36.Posing the questions, Dianne What is the capital city of Brazil?
:25:36. > :25:38.
:25:38. > :25:46.Procedure. Getting! What does Tarik stand for? The only way is Essex.
:25:46. > :25:54.Who played their home international matches at Livy the stadium? Where
:25:54. > :25:59.do the winners from Take Me Out go on a date? Island of Fernando us.
:25:59. > :26:05.It is all trash TV, what chance have I got? You are currently in
:26:05. > :26:15.third place in a razor. What place we be in if you pass the person in
:26:15. > :26:19.
:26:20. > :26:27.second place? Second. First. Second, thank you, why are you laughing?!
:26:27. > :26:37.Put my knowledge to the test. Dumb and Dumber, this lot. What is 72
:26:37. > :26:53.
:26:53. > :27:01.divided by 12? You haven't a clue? Is it well? 72 divided by 12?
:27:01. > :27:08.Six, Yes! This question is the tie- breaker. Which country does Ludo
:27:09. > :27:16.Sylvester come from? France. He is French! You have to be specific. Is
:27:16. > :27:26.he French or not? Technically, I'm right. Half a point. I know what it
:27:26. > :27:58.
:27:58. > :28:03.Give me a double you. Nice. A country? Guadeloupe. Yes! Are in a
:28:03. > :28:07.subway down as well now. What kind of a place is that?!
:28:07. > :28:10.It was like Inspector Crusoe trying to read a road map.
:28:10. > :28:12.With the Easter weekend and two games approaching, there's not much
:28:12. > :28:15.action for our teams this midweek. Oldham host Orient and it's
:28:15. > :28:18.Preston-Brentford in League One while Stanley could do Crewe a
:28:18. > :28:22.favour with a win over their play- off rivals Oxford. All the action
:28:22. > :28:32.and all the news from your club every day on your BBC local radio
:28:32. > :28:35.station. I don't fancy bred on the Who wants
:28:35. > :28:38.To Be A Millionaire, he would have Chris Tarrant by the throat. I
:28:38. > :28:41.think we are done now. Well, that's it for tonight. Thanks
:28:41. > :28:45.very much to Brian and to Andy, and good luck, Brian, for the remainder