:00:07. > :00:09.Well, while Lineker and the lads might have done their bit, don't go
:00:09. > :00:12.making the mistake of thinking football has finished for a Monday
:00:12. > :00:22.night. We've got 22 goals, two play-off scraps, a team fighting
:00:22. > :00:41.
:00:41. > :00:48.for their Football League lives and 29 minutes to cram it all in.
:00:48. > :00:52.Coming up, the sad Saturday. Seconds out, why time might be up
:00:52. > :00:59.for reserve team football. cannot motivate yourself, then you
:00:59. > :01:05.should not be in football. shaking them up. Looking back on
:01:05. > :01:08.Bury's best days. Thanks for joining us, with me to break down
:01:08. > :01:11.all the action and everything all our eleven Football League teams
:01:11. > :01:14.have left to play for are former boss of Preston North End Phil
:01:14. > :01:17.Brown and a man well placed to comment on both ends of League Two,
:01:17. > :01:20.manager of mid table Morecambe, Jim Bentley. Thanks for coming, guys.
:01:20. > :01:23.When Late Kick Off came on air in January, Macclesfield Town were a
:01:23. > :01:30.comfortable12th in League Two. None of us could've predicted what was
:01:30. > :01:32.to come. In 2012, Macc haven't won a single match and on Saturday were
:01:32. > :01:35.relegated out of the Football League. They faced Burton knowing
:01:35. > :01:38.their destiny was out of their hands, they had to win, Barnet had
:01:38. > :01:47.to lose, and Hereford mustn't win either. As it turned out, The
:01:48. > :01:51.Silkmen sealed their own fate. We now know how the day finished
:01:51. > :01:55.for Macclesfield. Yet when I arrived at one o'clock, it was
:01:55. > :02:00.decidedly more upbeat around the Moss Rose. We will do it.
:02:00. > :02:06.Absolutely. They are going to do it and we are going to stay up.
:02:06. > :02:10.always stay up, we always get in trouble and stay up. Her results
:02:10. > :02:13.have to go away but that will mean everything. Macc's slide down the
:02:13. > :02:19.League has, of course, been tough for the supporters. Especially
:02:19. > :02:22.tough for a supporter who's also the club's Chairman. I am not
:02:22. > :02:28.particularly nervous because I have been through that and out the other
:02:28. > :02:33.side and I think we are surprised how we are where we are. We are in
:02:33. > :02:43.a difficult situation but I think we are all being positive and we
:02:43. > :02:43.
:02:43. > :02:47.are going to have to get on and sort things out however it goes.
:02:47. > :02:50.And with that, the Chairman promised to speak to us at the end
:02:50. > :02:54.of the match, whatever the outcome. But three points might give them a
:02:54. > :03:00.chance of making it to 16 but they have not won in 2012 but today,
:03:00. > :03:03.they simply have to. Come three o'clock, Macc's moment had arrived.
:03:03. > :03:07.Brian Horton had been here before in his previous spell as Manager in
:03:07. > :03:10.2004 - that time he'd come in and led them to safety. But this was
:03:11. > :03:13.always going to have to be the greatest of great escapes. His team
:03:13. > :03:16.set out in determined style though, set out in determined style though,
:03:16. > :03:18.and hit the bar with a header from the tallest man on the pitch, Ben
:03:18. > :03:23.Futcher. It wasn't neccesarily pretty, but Macc continued to
:03:23. > :03:26.create some decent chances. But all went begging. It was 0-0 at half
:03:26. > :03:36.time, Hereford were drawing but crucially, Barnet were ahead in
:03:36. > :03:38.
:03:38. > :03:44.We have had four headers and not a single goal. They are waiting to go
:03:44. > :03:47.down. We have disappeared. In truth things fell a little flat in the
:03:47. > :03:50.things fell a little flat in the second half. Yes, Macc had their
:03:50. > :03:53.chances and had a shout for a penalty, but never really looked
:03:53. > :03:57.like scoring. The effort was there, the support was there, but the
:03:57. > :04:03.the support was there, but the quality just wasn't quite there.
:04:03. > :04:10.One of the fans has said, come on, 20 minutes left to save our lives.
:04:10. > :04:12.But time is running out and Barnet are still 1-0 up in their match.
:04:12. > :04:15.are still 1-0 up in their match. And it was no real surprise that
:04:15. > :04:18.when the opening goal did come, it went to Burton and Jacques Maghoma.
:04:18. > :04:25.At which point a minority of fans decided to make clear their
:04:25. > :04:26.decided to make clear their feelings to the chairman. The
:04:26. > :04:28.feelings to the chairman. The animosity only increased when, in
:04:28. > :04:36.injury time, Calvin Zola took advantage of some calamitous
:04:36. > :04:44.defending to make it two nil and defending to make it two nil and
:04:44. > :04:51.truly seal Macc's fate. -- 2-0. Gutted, really. We battled for 15
:04:51. > :04:58.years and it has ended today. have not got enough attendance to
:04:58. > :05:08.pay the player's wages. It has not been good enough. It is pretty
:05:08. > :05:12.
:05:12. > :05:15.bleak. They need a Football League It is sad. It is a horrible day and
:05:15. > :05:22.I feel for the supporters and the players but at the end of the day
:05:22. > :05:31.we have not done enough over 25 days. Not won a game. Unbelievable.
:05:31. > :05:36.I cannot apologise enough. It is just devastating. The chairman is a
:05:36. > :05:41.genuine guy that is 100 % behind the club. A without him, this club
:05:41. > :05:44.would not be here. At this point we were due to speak to Macc Chairman,
:05:44. > :05:47.Mike Rance. In the end, it was General manager Jon Harris who came
:05:47. > :05:53.out to speak to us. There was a small group of supporters that made
:05:53. > :05:57.it quite clear that they wanted to be critical of his ten-year and I
:05:57. > :06:02.felt for the safety of everybody if it was good for him to get away and
:06:02. > :06:07.get a his faults and we will kick, again on Monday. -- gather his
:06:07. > :06:10.thoughts are. The Macclesfield Town flag will continue to fly high,
:06:10. > :06:20.From next season though, there'll be no Football League flag beside
:06:20. > :06:21.
:06:21. > :06:28.It is a harsh game. Brian Horton has left but have you talked to
:06:28. > :06:33.him? What has happened? We have been speaking quite regularly. You
:06:33. > :06:42.have got to get your support regardless of whether it is the
:06:42. > :06:46.ball telephone call. He had a draw against Barnet. He had changed the
:06:46. > :06:52.system, going to a bank three. He got a clean sheet but the problem
:06:52. > :06:55.was scoring goals. If you are not scoring goals it is a recipe for
:06:55. > :07:01.disaster but it is obviously down to the big players that have been
:07:01. > :07:03.sold during the season and have not been replaced. They have been
:07:04. > :07:10.replaced by players not in the league and that is not being
:07:10. > :07:19.disrespectful but in 25 games... They have gone from 12th to bottom
:07:19. > :07:23.and it is been spectacular. Massively. Like we said, they have
:07:23. > :07:27.not done well with the players that we have got in the summer. We had
:07:27. > :07:31.some of the best defending in the middle of the season but they have
:07:32. > :07:35.been hampered by injuries to key players. They have not put the ball
:07:35. > :07:40.in the back of the net, they have struggled and found themselves at
:07:40. > :07:43.the bottom. The chairman said he wanted to get back as soon as
:07:43. > :07:49.possible and that it was a difficult to lead to get out of.
:07:49. > :07:55.Can they do it? It the new manager get a decent and competitive but it,
:07:55. > :08:01.they can do. It is a tough league and I played at that level for a
:08:01. > :08:08.few years myself. They will find it difficult but I am sure that they
:08:08. > :08:11.can get it together. Well, while Macc have been battling at the
:08:11. > :08:14.bottom of the table, another Cheshire side have been making a
:08:14. > :08:23.right old run on the play-offs. With the latest from Crewe and the
:08:23. > :08:27.rest of our League Two teams, fate in their own hands after a
:08:27. > :08:30.dramatic point at Torquay. They went behind through Danny Steven's
:08:30. > :08:34.goal down in Devon but were thrown a lifeline 14 minutes from time
:08:35. > :08:37.when Nick Powell was upended in the box. Harry Davies stepped up for
:08:37. > :08:40.the spot kick but Bobby Olejnik guessed right and pushed the
:08:40. > :08:43.penalty away. But Crewe's loyal and impressive army of away fans would
:08:43. > :08:53.be rewarded at the death. Describing the drama, BBC Radio
:08:53. > :08:55.
:08:55. > :08:59.Stoke's Graham McGarry. He goes back and they might finish it here!
:08:59. > :09:05.They have done. Crewe Alexandra have got the point. Wonderful,
:09:05. > :09:10.wonderful news! Morecambe rounded off an average home campaign with a
:09:10. > :09:14.draw against Plymouth. The visitors took a fourth minute lead after a
:09:14. > :09:17.fine run from Luke Young which ended in the Shrimps net via a
:09:17. > :09:20.slight deflection. The home side hit back after the break, firstly
:09:20. > :09:25.though Jordan Burrow who headed home an Isaac Reid cross and then
:09:25. > :09:27.through Lewis Alessandra. Reid was again involved, playing a fine
:09:27. > :09:33.through ball which found Alessandra in space and the striker finished
:09:33. > :09:42.in fine style. Accrington came up against a team in tune at Bristol
:09:42. > :09:44.Rovers. Andy Dorman's third was the pick of the home side's five goals,
:09:44. > :09:54.while Stanley's consolation came direct from Kevin McIntyre's corner
:09:54. > :09:54.
:09:54. > :09:59.much to the delight of the fancy His voice went so high he smashed
:09:59. > :10:09.His voice went so high he smashed my glasses! Well let's take a look
:10:09. > :10:09.
:10:09. > :10:12.at where that leaves Crewe with one game to go. Crewe Alexandra face
:10:12. > :10:21.Aldershot and Oxford have a tricky Aldershot and Oxford have a tricky
:10:21. > :10:25.trip to Port Vale. How good are they? They are good, very good. At
:10:25. > :10:28.first win was actually against us. They have got plenty of good young
:10:28. > :10:33.players and they have played football in the right way and they
:10:33. > :10:37.have gone from strength to strength and they are nearly there. And that
:10:37. > :10:42.is a sign that they missed a penalty with 40 minutes and get
:10:42. > :10:46.something in injury-time. Good team spirit. The ball comes to the
:10:46. > :10:51.penalty box and we had seven players in the box and they have
:10:51. > :10:57.thrown the kitchen sink at it and had a fantastic result. How good
:10:57. > :11:03.are they? They are very good. The players are had a good age and
:11:03. > :11:08.scoring goals. I think they will do OK. Another from the Crewe
:11:08. > :11:13.production line. We can have a little stick a preview of next
:11:13. > :11:23.week's programme courtesy of Adam Dugdale and Matt Tootill. What is
:11:23. > :11:25.
:11:25. > :11:35.the name given to a baby Swan? do not presage before you answer.
:11:35. > :11:38.
:11:38. > :11:48.Babies one. -- baby swan. Hang on? General knowledge is not my
:11:48. > :11:55.
:11:55. > :12:03.strength. Dark. That is wrong. Some animal. A sick note. What?
:12:03. > :12:13.We will bring you the very best or should that be worst of the most
:12:13. > :12:13.
:12:13. > :12:17.memorable bits of all the 11 clubs Now, reserve team football has long
:12:17. > :12:19.been at the heart of the game. It gives youngsters a chance to
:12:19. > :12:22.showcase their skills and offers players returning from injury game
:12:22. > :12:25.time. But its future is now under threat. More and more clubs are
:12:25. > :12:32.leaving the League. Sarah Mulkerrins looks into the impact
:12:32. > :12:37.it's having on our clubs. It is 2pm. But it is pouring rain,
:12:37. > :12:43.and there at 10 people watching. Reserve football in all its glory.
:12:43. > :12:47.The Central League was formed in 1911. At its height, they had to 44
:12:47. > :12:51.teams competing. However, these numbers are falling. Blackpool are
:12:51. > :12:58.one of the founding members, but last year, opted out of the
:12:58. > :13:03.competition. The fixtures were not flexible. The standards of fixtures
:13:03. > :13:12.was not beneficial to the club. We had occasions where one week we
:13:12. > :13:19.would be playing against Preston, the next week Accrington's children.
:13:19. > :13:26.We took the decision to play behind closed doors. That is no disrespect
:13:26. > :13:34.to the local clubs we have played against. This here we have played
:13:34. > :13:40.so many teams. Five at our 11 Football League teams in the North
:13:40. > :13:44.West do not play reserves football. Accrington Stanley pulled out of
:13:44. > :13:49.the Central League last season due to the fixture pressures. Now, five
:13:49. > :13:59.years ago, there were 36 teams competing in the Central League.
:13:59. > :13:59.
:13:59. > :14:05.Next season, they expect only 15. It was a good, strong competition.
:14:05. > :14:12.The fixtures were a bit inconvenient. We ended up with a
:14:12. > :14:19.backlog of fixtures. It all became a little bit inconvenient.
:14:19. > :14:26.Convenience aside, there is also the cost of competing to consider.
:14:26. > :14:33.The young match officials, we have got a lot of wages to pay out just
:14:33. > :14:40.to open the ground. Every penny counts, and money we save can go
:14:40. > :14:45.into the first team's scored. Bentley got all his coaching
:14:45. > :14:48.experience with their reserves. For bringing young talent through to
:14:49. > :14:55.the first team, he is adamant reserves football is the only
:14:55. > :15:04.option. There has to be some structure in the first team. To cut
:15:04. > :15:11.that out would be a big ask. So, for me, it is a massive part of any
:15:11. > :15:19.football club. Great for bringing down players through, yes, but how
:15:19. > :15:29.do the more seasoned professionals feel? Mark is well versed in all
:15:29. > :15:31.
:15:32. > :15:39.things reserves. Reserved football -- reserves at football... This is
:15:40. > :15:44.where I want to be. You have got to motivate yourself. His manager
:15:44. > :15:49.believes that the reserves are vital, and has stern words for
:15:49. > :15:55.those players who are motivated. you want to get the first team, and
:15:55. > :15:59.you cannot motivate yourself, you should not be in football. If my
:15:59. > :16:09.manager was watching, I would be making sure I would be doing
:16:09. > :16:09.
:16:09. > :16:14.everything they could to make sure, come Saturday, I was very good.
:16:14. > :16:19.Well, clearly the Central League does have a problem. It offers a
:16:19. > :16:24.competitive league. But the falling numbers show it is not working for
:16:24. > :16:34.many. It needs to ask itself if it has a future as a meaningful
:16:34. > :16:38.
:16:38. > :16:48.competition. Visiting his death throes? It seems that way.
:16:48. > :16:50.
:16:50. > :16:53.Something has got to give. Blackpool pulling out, for example.
:16:53. > :17:01.It one Madrid teams pull-out, the whole thing starts to unravel,
:17:01. > :17:10.doesn't it? I is scrapped the reserves at Derby because my budget
:17:10. > :17:20.was based on the first team. It would be too much of a strain. I
:17:20. > :17:27.the -- I thought the key point there was a flexibility. You do not
:17:27. > :17:35.need the stewards. And you can go behind closed doors. How easy is it
:17:35. > :17:41.for more come to get behind closed doors? -- for Morecambe. We do not
:17:41. > :17:50.have our own training ground. We cannot just turn up at his school
:17:50. > :17:55.and play on a pitch. I can understand, but it is difficult.
:17:55. > :17:59.The weather determines what goes on and games can be get -- endgames
:17:59. > :18:02.can get a job at a hat, just like that.
:18:02. > :18:04.Now, when the likes of Phil, Jim and I were lads, Saturday morning
:18:04. > :18:07.wasn't Saturday morning without football comic Roy of The Rovers.
:18:07. > :18:10.Striker Roy Race was the master of the unlikely comeback, world class
:18:10. > :18:13.goal and unimaginable football storyline. It was brilliant. But
:18:13. > :18:15.not even Roy could have come up with what happened at Deepdale on
:18:15. > :18:25.Saturday. With League One action, here's BBC Radio Manchester's
:18:25. > :18:25.
:18:25. > :18:34.Nathan Middleton. 1,000 games over 20 years, but a
:18:34. > :18:41.home clash. A guard of honour and a momento for the occasion. Alexander
:18:41. > :18:44.started on the bench. His side were started on the bench. His side were
:18:44. > :18:54.firmly on the back third. They failed to clear their lines. David
:18:54. > :18:58.
:18:58. > :19:02.Gray fans may want to turn away now. Grey's replacement would spare some
:19:02. > :19:12.of his blushes. But the real heroics could only belong to one
:19:12. > :19:12.
:19:12. > :19:22.man. With time almost up, a final free kick. A such a big thing for
:19:22. > :19:25.
:19:25. > :19:32.me to stop playing football. Povey, I have repaid everyone. Bury and
:19:32. > :19:36.Oldham played out a golf. David Worrall seemed to put it on a plate
:19:36. > :19:46.for the striker, who fell to get any touch whatsoever. Other chances
:19:46. > :19:57.
:19:58. > :20:03.keeper might have done better with the home side's second goal,
:20:03. > :20:07.failing to cut a to a cross. James Wallace halved the deficit seven
:20:07. > :20:12.minutes after the break, but Colchester would restore the
:20:12. > :20:20.advantage. It was just one of those days for Rovers. They made it 3
:20:20. > :20:28.have and to. Finally, at Rochdale, who lost their last home game to MK
:20:28. > :20:38.Dons, they were 2-0 down. They Dons, they were 2-0 down. They
:20:38. > :20:44.
:20:44. > :20:51.travel to Leyton Orient next week. I brought him back to the club. He
:20:51. > :20:57.was the frontrunner. As they 40- year-old, you think, you are taking
:20:57. > :21:03.a chance. He wanted to come back and played the football club. It is
:21:03. > :21:08.testimony to the lad. To come on and get the equaliser is fabulous.
:21:08. > :21:13.I heard him talking the other day. He wants to go into coaching. Does
:21:14. > :21:18.he have the ability? I believe so. He talks very sensitively and
:21:18. > :21:24.passionately about football. You meet him eye to eye, and you get a
:21:24. > :21:33.sense that there is greatness end it there. There is a possibility he
:21:33. > :21:37.will be a manager in the future. went -- he has played 1023 games.
:21:37. > :21:40.The normal stuff. Well, Preston fans have a chance to
:21:40. > :21:42.quiz manager Graham Westley when he's a live guest on BBC Radio
:21:42. > :21:45.Lancashire on Wednesday evening. He'll be in conversation with
:21:45. > :21:48.sports editor Gary Hickson and taking calls from fans between six
:21:48. > :21:50.and seven o'clock. That should be a fantastic listen, Wednesday night,
:21:50. > :21:54.six o'clock, on BBC Radio Lancashire.
:21:54. > :21:57.We might still have a week of the regular season to go in Leagues One
:21:57. > :21:59.and Two, but it was game 46 of 46 in the Championship on Saturday.
:21:59. > :22:09.With Burnley's swansong and Blackpool's play-off warm-up,
:22:09. > :22:11.here's BBC Radio Lancashire's Andy So, it's Blackpool-Birmingham in
:22:11. > :22:15.the play-off semi-finals after The Seasiders drew their final match at
:22:15. > :22:18.Seasiders drew their final match at in-form Millwall. Andy Keogh put
:22:18. > :22:22.the home side ahead but Ian Evatt headed them level midway through
:22:22. > :22:25.the first half. Nouha Dicko edged Ian Holloway's side ahead after the
:22:25. > :22:29.break but they couldn't hold on for the win which would have earned
:22:29. > :22:35.them a home second leg in the play- offs. Harry Kane with The Lions'
:22:35. > :22:38.equaliser. Burnley finshed the season doing what they've done
:22:38. > :22:41.throughout its entirety - losing leads and dropping points at home.
:22:41. > :22:43.They went ahead through Dany Ings who worked space for the shot
:22:43. > :22:47.nicely before beating substitute goalkeeper Liam Fontaine in fine
:22:47. > :22:57.style. Typically, though, The Clarets couldn't hold on and
:22:57. > :22:59.
:22:59. > :23:02.succumbed to another sweetly-struck Well, after 46 games, it's a 13th
:23:02. > :23:05.place finish for Burnley who will hope for much better next season
:23:05. > :23:07.and a fifth place for Blackpool. The Seasiders will take on
:23:07. > :23:11.Birmingham City in the play-offs with the first leg at Bloomfield
:23:11. > :23:14.Road on Friday and the return at St Andrew's a week on Wednesday. All
:23:14. > :23:17.the build-up, coverage and reaction to both legs will be on BBC Radio
:23:17. > :23:20.Lancashire, while all of the North West's BBC local stations will
:23:20. > :23:30.carry the news from all of our clubs in the run-up to next
:23:30. > :23:37.weekend's final League games. Birmingham in the first leg. Can
:23:37. > :23:41.they do it? I hope so. I think they were great for the Premiership. It
:23:41. > :23:47.would be nice to see them get back- up. It is another remarkable
:23:47. > :23:51.achievement. Both managers must be applauded. Ian for coming down,
:23:51. > :23:56.because it was tough at the start and he has managed to get his team
:23:56. > :24:04.into the play-offs. But Chris as well. He has done a fantastic job,
:24:04. > :24:06.in the face of adversity. We do wish Blackpool or the best.
:24:06. > :24:09.Now, establishing themselves in the third tier of English football
:24:09. > :24:12.means a successful season for Bury, but there was a time when
:24:12. > :24:22.expectations were far greater at Gigg Lane. So great, in fact, that
:24:22. > :24:23.
:24:23. > :24:28.winning the FA Cup was seen as anything but a surprise.
:24:28. > :24:33.Home to Bury since 1885, a look around Gigg Lane tells you
:24:33. > :24:38.everything they need to know how they viewed their heritage. It was
:24:38. > :24:43.a group of players at the turn of the 18th century who gave the club
:24:43. > :24:48.its greatest success. These were the men whose achievements will
:24:48. > :24:55.never be forgotten, symbolised by two stars on the crest. It is
:24:55. > :25:02.important we do display at and it does not get forgotten in time.
:25:02. > :25:04.Even though we are in League One, not a lot of clubs can boast that.
:25:04. > :25:14.Strangely enough, it is a Sunderland supporter that is
:25:14. > :25:21.helping keep the memories alive with his book, All Shook Up. They
:25:21. > :25:28.were this area's best side, at the end of the Victorian and start of
:25:28. > :25:33.the Edwardian period. Not that things were exactly glamourous for
:25:33. > :25:38.the players. To try and save money, the directors took the players by
:25:38. > :25:43.the latest available train, that so they just arrived for two minutes
:25:43. > :25:48.before the semi-final was due to start. Still, a winner sent The
:25:48. > :25:54.Shakers through to meet Southampton. Newspaper reports are stored at
:25:54. > :25:59.Bury library. This was a big deal. It was decided to play the same
:25:59. > :26:06.team... A large number of spectators assembled, it where the
:26:06. > :26:09.men were given a hearty send-off. The gates in the period before that
:26:09. > :26:14.collapsed at Gigg Lane because people were saving frantically to
:26:14. > :26:20.go to the match. They were outnumbered by the number of
:26:20. > :26:25.Southampton supporters, and on that day, Bury played exceptionally well.
:26:25. > :26:30.At the first win was good, the nothing was -- the second was
:26:30. > :26:34.nothing short of amazing. They created a record that will probably
:26:34. > :26:42.never be Brett -- broken. We went through the whole tournament
:26:42. > :26:48.without conceding a goal. They won in the final 670. The best player
:26:48. > :26:53.was undoubtedly George Ross. He is the finest footballer to play for
:26:53. > :26:58.Bury. The significance was depicted by artists in the local newspapers,
:26:58. > :27:02.but emphasises the amount of supporters. The write-up tells of
:27:02. > :27:09.the post-match celebrations and gentlemanly sportsmanship from the
:27:09. > :27:14.opposition. Congratulations from Derby. A generous appreciation.
:27:14. > :27:18.Your great and overwhelming victory... It was a happy company
:27:18. > :27:28.which assembled in Piccadilly Circus, and as one couldn't expect,
:27:28. > :27:33.
:27:33. > :27:43.it was an enjoyable evening. Long time ago, but we still won it.
:27:43. > :27:44.
:27:44. > :27:48.might never get nearer to gain. But it is there in history. What
:27:48. > :27:52.Richard Barker is achieving now is not comparable to winning the FA
:27:52. > :28:02.Cup, but he's doing a wonderful thing with The Shakers. He is doing
:28:02. > :28:10.a great job. They have got a good mid-table Finnis is the season.
:28:10. > :28:18.They were threatened with relegation. Briefly, it puts it
:28:18. > :28:23.into context, doesn't it? Finished top half and above Preston, which
:28:23. > :28:27.is no mean feat. You would say prison was the bigger club, but
:28:27. > :28:29.they have had a great season. thank you very much indeed full
:28:29. > :28:33.stop Well, that's it for this week. My
:28:33. > :28:36.thanks to Phil and to Jim. The show will be on the BBC iPlayer all week