Episode 8

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:00:07. > :00:12.That was Saturday, by Sunday Tranmere fans had their wish.

:00:12. > :00:22.Tonight we'll hear from Les Parry's replacement. Welcome to Late Kick

:00:22. > :00:36.

:00:36. > :00:40.Coming up tonight: The Anatomy of a sacking. We are therefore one era

:00:40. > :00:44.of Tranmere and the start of the next. You have to try to get back

:00:44. > :00:50.to playing football and get rid of the fear factor.

:00:50. > :00:59.Drinking in the atmosphere, has the time come to allow this to sip beer

:00:59. > :01:03.in their seats? She said, if you sign it, it would

:01:03. > :01:06.be the best thing that as ever happen to the club.

:01:06. > :01:09.With us in the studio tonight to help us through a packed programme,

:01:09. > :01:15.former Burnley player and Preston coach David Unsworth. Also here the

:01:15. > :01:21.club secretary from Blackpool, Matt Williams.

:01:21. > :01:27.More from the boys in a second, but first, Les Parry's reign as

:01:27. > :01:30.transmit -- Tranmere boss is over. The former physio replaced today by

:01:30. > :01:33.a former Rovers boss, Ronnie Moore. The axe fell after Saturday's trip

:01:33. > :01:40.to Chesterfield, a journey also made by our reporter Sarah

:01:40. > :01:44.Mulkerrins. On Saturday, the manager and team

:01:44. > :01:49.arriving as one. They knew full well the pressure was on. Facing

:01:49. > :01:55.bottom of the League Chesterfield, only a win would do. We spoke to

:01:55. > :02:03.Les Parry before the game and asked was he feeling the heat? Some of

:02:03. > :02:09.the fans have voiced their concern, but it is a small minority. I fully

:02:09. > :02:17.respect that. I don't feel pressure from that. Any pressure I feel his

:02:17. > :02:24.self-imposed. Their blogger distinct sets of fans on the ground.

:02:24. > :02:31.You want Les Parry to stay, why? is very capable as a motivator. He

:02:31. > :02:36.has a very small budget to play with. Although technically he might

:02:36. > :02:46.not be all we want, he has 18 behind him. Matthey, E one Les

:02:46. > :02:47.

:02:47. > :02:51.Parry to go, why? One win in 19, simple as that.

:02:51. > :02:58.With the fans divided on his future, I asked him how stable he felt his

:02:58. > :03:02.job was. It is only him who makes the decision on whether he has had

:03:02. > :03:08.enough. At the end of the day, that is what we are talking about, me

:03:08. > :03:12.losing my job. I'm not going to walk away from it. I believe in

:03:12. > :03:17.what we do and believe in the direction we are going in. It might

:03:17. > :03:22.be tomorrow that he phones me up and it is over. It might be in one

:03:22. > :03:26.year's time. Whenever it is, I will walk away as well as I can.

:03:26. > :03:31.let's not forget the team, it was up to them to do as best as they

:03:31. > :03:35.could on Saturday. This is the Tranmere Rovers players

:03:35. > :03:39.homes -- a home. This is what they experience before they hit the

:03:39. > :03:43.pitch today. But we are with the fans in the

:03:43. > :03:47.away end to see what they feel and experience during the game. But

:03:47. > :03:52.there was a much to experience in the first half. Some attempts up

:03:52. > :03:55.front and some scrambling at the front and some scrambling at the

:03:55. > :04:02.back. The group of fans began to chant for Parry out but they were

:04:02. > :04:07.soon found out by what seemed the majority. As the second half wore

:04:07. > :04:17.on, you could feel the frustration. There was no sign of a breakthrough

:04:17. > :04:18.

:04:18. > :04:24.for Rovers and then Chesterfield scored. The chance grew louder.

:04:24. > :04:30.want Parry at! There is a mix of some people who really want him out

:04:30. > :04:34.and some people think he is a Tranmere man through and through

:04:34. > :04:42.and will stick with him. I don't think anyone thinks he is doing a

:04:42. > :04:46.great job. He has come from being a physio to a manager. It is not too

:04:46. > :04:51.bad, but it is not enough for these guys. It is not good enough, not

:04:51. > :04:56.good enough at all. The chance continued and the scoreline

:04:56. > :05:01.remained. A big loss for Tranmere Rovers. Les Parry left to face the

:05:01. > :05:05.music with a hint of foresight of what was ahead. Whether the

:05:05. > :05:13.chairman will give me enough time to get the first win, only time

:05:13. > :05:17.will tell. By the time this goes out on Monday night, somebody else

:05:17. > :05:24.might be a sitting there and they might be talking about him. There

:05:24. > :05:34.is nothing I can do. As things turned out, this was Les Parry's

:05:34. > :05:38.

:05:38. > :05:42.It is nice to come back to the club. It is a shame that we are in the

:05:42. > :05:45.position that we are. It is great to be back and I can't wait to get

:05:45. > :05:52.going. Tell me how this came about, how

:05:53. > :05:59.did Tranmere Rovers' approach you? It was basically a phone call. I

:05:59. > :06:03.had heard that Les had lost his job on Saturday and I made a phone call

:06:03. > :06:08.to the chairman and we had a discussion and luckily for me, we

:06:09. > :06:13.had a good chat and the outcome was that he wanted me to come back as a

:06:14. > :06:19.manager. The club is in did a fantastic position at the moment.

:06:19. > :06:22.How do you intend to turn that around? The chairman has asked me

:06:22. > :06:26.to come back because of that. I have been in this situation before

:06:26. > :06:33.at other clubs and have survived. That is what we have got to do, get

:06:33. > :06:37.to that 50. Mark as quick as we can. What has Peter Johnson said to you

:06:37. > :06:42.about your long-term prospects here? He has asked me to keep us up.

:06:42. > :06:47.If I do that, we will see what happens at the end of the season

:06:48. > :06:51.for if I do that, I might have a long-term future here.

:06:51. > :06:56.David, you have seen Tranmere recently, did they look like a

:06:56. > :07:01.struggling team? They did. They were struggling in terms of their

:07:01. > :07:06.confidence and you could see that. They huffed and puffed throughout

:07:06. > :07:10.the game. I saw them against Oldham and it was a similar thing. They

:07:10. > :07:15.got into the relegation fight. Let's have a quick look at the

:07:15. > :07:25.table now. Do you think Ronnie Moore can turn this around?

:07:25. > :07:25.

:07:25. > :07:31.Has been their air couple of times Matt, one of the things in that

:07:31. > :07:35.film was that beat France called for Les's head. If you have got a

:07:35. > :07:38.strong board, they are fully focused on the business. Changing

:07:38. > :07:44.the manager doesn't necessarily guarantee a change in the results.

:07:44. > :07:49.Look at Preston, they changed their manager and the results have not

:07:49. > :07:59.improved. It is a big call to make and I feel for Blair's. We all do.

:07:59. > :08:06.

:08:07. > :08:11.When you have not won away since September, you could be forgiven

:08:11. > :08:15.for thinking another miserable journey home was on the cards. But

:08:15. > :08:17.Oldham at fans literally bounced back over the pronouns -- the

:08:17. > :08:21.Pennines after seeing this cracking Pennines after seeing this cracking

:08:21. > :08:31.Pennines after seeing this cracking comeback. This spectacular own goal

:08:31. > :08:40.but the comeback going before this cross a came in. The winner came

:08:40. > :08:50.from a spot in injury-time. Argue amongst yourselves as to whether

:08:50. > :08:52.

:08:52. > :08:55.that was a better comeback from Bury's. This was the despair -- the

:08:56. > :09:03.second goal with 20 minutes left. They got their goal, their efforts

:09:03. > :09:09.are deserved. Justified points from 21 for Preston, although an offside

:09:09. > :09:17.flag denied them the lead. That was as good as it got as Stephen

:09:17. > :09:24.Gillespie caught -- scored twice. He converted from the spot. Short-

:09:24. > :09:27.term pain for long-term gain. It is certainly painful viewing for

:09:27. > :09:31.Preston fans. They point against Sheffield

:09:31. > :09:35.Wednesday looks OK one day before Rochdale, but in truth, it is a

:09:35. > :09:43.game they should have won, especially after this trip gave

:09:43. > :09:52.them a late penalty. Gary Jones's kick cannoned off the post to

:09:52. > :09:58.Another disappointing result for Preston. Are you disappointed with

:09:58. > :10:05.the way the regime ended? This is the first time this has happened to

:10:05. > :10:08.me. On this side of the fence, it was the first time. You always

:10:08. > :10:13.think he will be given another opportunity hopefully, but it is

:10:13. > :10:18.taken out of your hands. It wasn't to be. With Preston, all the best

:10:18. > :10:24.for them in the future of. What are you looking at now? I had a

:10:24. > :10:27.discussion with Sligo a couple of weeks ago and I felt it was maybe

:10:27. > :10:33.too soon after leaving Preston and I wanted to take a period of time

:10:33. > :10:38.out, what as many games as I can and hopefully get back in soon.

:10:38. > :10:42.wish you well. Let's talk Blackpool and their attempts to sign Robbie

:10:42. > :10:47.Fowler this week. More on that later. Rekindled memories of the

:10:47. > :10:53.year 2000 when Burnley did capture the legendary striker. They signed

:10:53. > :11:03.Ian Wright for three months that 12 years on, it remains a stand-out

:11:03. > :11:09.

:11:09. > :11:14.Ian Wright was a big deal. He is one of the best strikers this

:11:15. > :11:18.country has ever produced. I kept in touch with Ian because I had him

:11:18. > :11:24.at Christmas Palace. At this particular time, he was at Celtic

:11:24. > :11:29.and his best part was him playing for me at Burnley. I was having a

:11:29. > :11:38.conversation on this particular day and he said, I am really happy up

:11:38. > :11:43.there. It was just a throwaway comment. I said if you want to play

:11:43. > :11:48.here, you will more than welcome. Stan had a positive response from

:11:48. > :11:55.the player and the chairman, but it was the backing of Mrs turn meant

:11:55. > :12:02.that proved crucial. I said, I am going to ask you a question. I want

:12:02. > :12:06.to bounce something of you because she was a Burnley goal. If Stanley

:12:06. > :12:10.signs, it will be the best thing that's ever happened to Burnley.

:12:10. > :12:15.deal was done and the news was broken by Radio Lancashire's sports

:12:15. > :12:19.presenter for. I said, if you are a Burnley fan, ring everyone you know

:12:19. > :12:24.who supports them because in two minutes, we will be revealing a

:12:24. > :12:27.huge news. We said, you will want your friends to hear it so we will

:12:28. > :12:32.give you two minutes to ring round. We played an interview and two

:12:32. > :12:42.minutes later, we announced the news that Ian Wright had signed for

:12:42. > :12:43.

:12:43. > :12:47.Burnley. It is still a night I'll I'm very, very privileged that they

:12:47. > :12:54.will meet at the club as well. The least I will give his 100 %, that

:12:54. > :12:58.is what you will get from me. I just want to play football and I

:12:58. > :13:04.wasn't getting that opportunity so I am pleased that Burnley gave me

:13:04. > :13:09.the opportunity to do that. He came up with his Bentley. That was worth

:13:09. > :13:19.more than a row of terraced houses in Burnley! It was just so

:13:19. > :13:25.infectious, being around him. It was Ian Wright to score all the

:13:25. > :13:30.goals for Arsenal and played in England, but at that time he was

:13:30. > :13:35.still quick. If you put him in front of a goal, he will score.

:13:35. > :13:43.Which he did four times in his four it starts. His impact is well

:13:43. > :13:47.remembered by his team-mates. figure, he was one of the lads and

:13:47. > :13:52.was brilliant in and around the dressing room. He had an up and

:13:52. > :13:55.down time on the pitch, but he was really wants he kicked in. I will

:13:55. > :14:01.never forget the fact that Ian Wright was there. He was a great

:14:01. > :14:06.lad. Very funny. He would always wind people up in that style. I

:14:06. > :14:11.can't even begin to say some of the story so stop he only played a few

:14:11. > :14:18.minutes every game, but he made that difference. I don't think we'd

:14:18. > :14:23.sold as many shirts with his name on, they went so quickly. He has

:14:23. > :14:26.gone down and asked -- in history. We have loads of memories. Having

:14:26. > :14:35.helped Burnley get promoted, Ian Wright confirmed his decision to

:14:35. > :14:39.retire. On the night we went to the town hall, that was the night but I

:14:39. > :14:45.found out that he was not staying. He fulfilled his part of the

:14:45. > :14:55.obligation and he got -- we got a promotion so it was time to call it

:14:55. > :14:58.

:14:59. > :15:06.That signing did transform the horse playing. That is three

:15:06. > :15:09.training sessions he has had with us. Carl has been away and has been

:15:09. > :15:14.in New Zealand and is heading to Argentina. The time difference and

:15:14. > :15:22.the travelling, they had not concluded the discussions. He wants

:15:22. > :15:29.to play? He does. The training has increased 15 or 20%. We had people

:15:29. > :15:33.buying shirts with Fowler on the back. You have played against Tem?

:15:33. > :15:38.Both great players and great goalscorers, but Ian Wright is my

:15:38. > :15:42.choice. It was a shocking afternoon for

:15:43. > :15:47.Burnley at Watford on Saturday with a letter two goal lead slip. Jay

:15:47. > :15:51.Rodriguez put them ahead after a Watford HET error and a Nayron

:15:51. > :15:57.Nosworthy own goal put them two up. But Bernie crumbled at the back

:15:57. > :16:01.after conceding three times in 20 minutes. They are now eight points

:16:01. > :16:06.of the play-offs. The table also sees black hole in the top six will

:16:06. > :16:10.it is a good day to welcome mat. A difficult day yesterday, because

:16:10. > :16:16.there was a newspaper article saying that the owners had taken

:16:16. > :16:22.�11 million out of the club. That is a decision that the German and

:16:22. > :16:28.the Board have made. I do not get involved. I do the administration.

:16:28. > :16:34.I get the players and work closely with Ian. That is not an area that

:16:34. > :16:42.concerns me. It is on the front of the local paper. Some fans have

:16:42. > :16:47.been angry. Is there a chance at the money will get reinvested?

:16:47. > :16:52.chairman's father has been on the board for 25 years. He bought the

:16:52. > :16:57.club when they were on the verge of going extinct. He has been a fan

:16:57. > :17:00.since he was two. He has been there when money was needed. There are

:17:00. > :17:06.plans for a new training ground. They are not moving as quickly as

:17:06. > :17:11.some would like, but there is progress. You will understand how

:17:11. > :17:16.some fans feel. I also look at other clubs and with financial

:17:16. > :17:21.problems, like some in the north- west, and if he asked some of those

:17:21. > :17:27.supporters, would be swapped places with Blackpool, it they would snap

:17:28. > :17:34.your hand off. You have two good kids and what is the mood like for

:17:34. > :17:39.those two? And mate went to Sheffield United to get some

:17:39. > :17:44.confidence and Tom is a great player. He has some pressure on

:17:44. > :17:50.with the success of his father. They are working well and Robbie

:17:50. > :18:00.coming in has given them a lift. We have a tough game at Derby. Play-

:18:00. > :18:05.offs are top two? My heart says top 20. A pie and a pint is pretty much

:18:05. > :18:09.standard for many of us before again, but sat -- but supporters

:18:09. > :18:13.cannot drink in their seats. There is a push to change the law. It

:18:13. > :18:23.could bring in some much needed revenue, but what it also

:18:23. > :18:27.encouraged trouble in the stands? For many fans, having it some

:18:27. > :18:31.drinks before the match is as much a part of the ritual of watching a

:18:31. > :18:34.game as questioning the referee's parentage and banter with away fans.

:18:34. > :18:40.Would it be better if supporters could drink in their seats during

:18:40. > :18:45.the game? Up I do not see anything wrong with that. People take their

:18:45. > :18:54.children, but children under 18 will not be there without a parent.

:18:54. > :18:59.I think it is all right. You get the right steward's with Annette --

:18:59. > :19:04.the right mentality, there will be no problem. You go to a rugby match,

:19:04. > :19:14.you can watch the match and sit with a beer. Come to the football,

:19:14. > :19:14.

:19:14. > :19:18.you cannot do that. It would be a good thing. As the law stands,

:19:18. > :19:21.football fans cannot drink in view of the pitch. A legacy of changes

:19:21. > :19:26.that were introduced in the aftermath of the Taylor report into

:19:26. > :19:31.safety at football grounds. The magazine FC Business is running a

:19:31. > :19:35.campaign to get those laws changed. Or on average most fans get into

:19:35. > :19:39.the ground around 15 minutes before the game and then the leave the

:19:39. > :19:45.ground immediately afterwards. Football has to realise that in

:19:45. > :19:48.other sports that is not the case. In rugby, people get their longer

:19:49. > :19:54.before the kick-off and stay for an average of one hour afterwards.

:19:54. > :19:58.During that time, them money that is been spent anyway is been spent

:19:58. > :20:03.in the football club and that is what we want. We want clubs to

:20:03. > :20:07.compete with the local bars and restaurants. Last week, the

:20:07. > :20:10.Football Supporters' Federation held a meeting at Etihad Stadium

:20:10. > :20:16.under the banner Watching Football Is Not A Crime. So what do they

:20:16. > :20:23.think? We would like this lot macro to be removed and leave it to clubs

:20:24. > :20:29.to work out what is the best arrangement for their local ground.

:20:29. > :20:35.If if they don't serve alcohol, do they allow people up to the seeds?

:20:35. > :20:44.It has to be a local determine Mason. If your team are playing in

:20:44. > :20:51.a black --... Fans can continue drinking in Rochdale within sight

:20:51. > :20:56.of the pitch. It illustrates the absurdity of the law. If the

:20:56. > :21:00.curtains are closed, it is legal, but how ridiculous can you get?

:21:00. > :21:02.of the guests on the panel has researched the ball out on

:21:02. > :21:08.regulations and believes the law as it stands makes football grounds

:21:08. > :21:13.more dangerous. It is not reducing how drunk people are, but creating

:21:13. > :21:18.other risk factors. We are seeing crashes because people are not

:21:19. > :21:25.allowed their drinks in their seats. There are pushes at turn stands as

:21:25. > :21:32.fans binge drink before the match. There are a number of risk factors

:21:32. > :21:36.that are caused by this legislation. At Bury, they reintroduce the sale

:21:36. > :21:41.of alcohol in the ground two years ago. With every club looking at any

:21:41. > :21:47.way to increase revenue, changing the law with potentially bring in

:21:47. > :21:51.much-needed clap -- cash. The it will increase revenue. We have to

:21:51. > :21:57.weigh up whether the money you would generate would cover the cost

:21:57. > :22:02.of any potential trouble. If it proves to be a problem, then you

:22:02. > :22:05.stop it. Canvassing opinion amongst our Football League clubs, not one

:22:05. > :22:10.was against a change in the law. Mike Rance, chairman of

:22:10. > :22:13.Macclesfield Town, said the laws were archaic and Rob Heys of

:22:13. > :22:18.Accrington Stanley said that people can drink watching cricket and

:22:18. > :22:23.rugby, why not football? We also asked Greater Manchester Police for

:22:23. > :22:29.an interview but were refused. The Government have to look on this

:22:29. > :22:36.legislation as a restraint of trade, that has no justification any more.

:22:36. > :22:42.It is absurd and archaic, would Blackpool supported? It is tough.

:22:43. > :22:48.When you look at the amount of arrests. You have to take that into

:22:48. > :22:53.consideration. They are still drinking in the concourse? You can

:22:53. > :22:59.police it better there. We have to be careful because of the black

:22:59. > :23:03.hole factor. We work hard with the council to make it safe and you do

:23:03. > :23:09.not want the police and stewarding costs to spiral out of control and

:23:09. > :23:15.n n top losing money. The law dos need reviewing. They are saying it

:23:15. > :23:23.is about the fan experience. Would you enjoy a pint while watching the

:23:23. > :23:30.game? Is it is tough. There are pros and cons. I would prefer to

:23:30. > :23:35.leave the way it is. Perhaps our question compiler had a

:23:35. > :23:39.drink last week. This week we realise we were not that clever.

:23:39. > :23:43.Thank you to those who pointed out that Johannesburg is not the

:23:43. > :23:53.capital of South Africa. But I wonder if Chris Taylor and Matt

:23:53. > :24:02.

:24:02. > :24:11.Smith got on with their questions. What is 48 divided by 12? Four.

:24:11. > :24:17.which country to do that Club Bruges played? Belgium. If a plane

:24:17. > :24:27.crashes on the border of France and Spain, where Duberry the survivors?

:24:27. > :24:33.

:24:33. > :24:43.Luxembourg. It is in the middle. it is a tiny country. Is it Andorra.

:24:43. > :24:51.

:24:51. > :24:57.You do not bury survivors! He has a degree! Name one actor, apart from

:24:57. > :25:07.Daniel Craig, who played James Bond? Pierce Brosnan. What is the

:25:07. > :25:13.

:25:13. > :25:23.name of a baby goat? A no! I don't know. Do you know? I have an

:25:23. > :25:30.

:25:30. > :25:40.inkling. Say something. It is a cow. I do not know. How. They kid. Which

:25:40. > :25:43.

:25:43. > :25:53.player turned up for training at 9:59am every day. Chris Taylor.

:25:53. > :25:56.

:25:56. > :26:06.What is the club's website address? Oldham Athletic .com. Oldham

:26:06. > :26:08.

:26:08. > :26:18.Athletic .co.uk. Well Burnley, Blackpool and Preston

:26:18. > :26:25.

:26:25. > :26:32.One on One still to come. Mic two especially after this howler give

:26:32. > :26:34.it Shrewsbury the lead. This level things up. Another lapse in

:26:34. > :26:38.concentration and helped the visitors again. The keeper did

:26:38. > :26:43.enough to avoid further embarrassment. Three draws in three

:26:43. > :26:49.games now. At last a point on the board for Paul Cook when Accrington

:26:50. > :26:53.Stanley came behind to draw with. Fail. This led to the first goal.

:26:53. > :27:01.The home side were back on terms just before the half-time whistle.

:27:01. > :27:06.Chris shirker headed home from the box. A Paul Cook substitution paid

:27:06. > :27:11.dividends before it full-time. Will have filled showed composure and an

:27:11. > :27:18.excellent finish to end his side's losing run. Morecambe made the long

:27:18. > :27:25.trip home from Aldershot. Despite having most of the ball, they had

:27:25. > :27:28.few chances, apart from this header. The equalising after, but the

:27:29. > :27:34.referee failed to spot that the shop was handled on the line and

:27:34. > :27:38.then the follow-up was thwarted. The keeper was the start of

:27:38. > :27:48.Macclesfield verses Bristol Rovers. He helped his side to a hard-fought

:27:48. > :27:53.

:27:53. > :27:57.At the bottom, Macclesfield need to do the same to get away from the

:27:57. > :28:00.relegation zone. Macclesfield can start that hunt for points quickly.

:28:00. > :28:07.If we look at the highlights, their game against Hereford is massive

:28:07. > :28:16.tomorrow night and other games are not are running a's first game of

:28:16. > :28:21.Chamier and... Davids, briefly, Macclesfield can they escape?

:28:21. > :28:25.I think they can. They have been decimated by injuries. They have

:28:25. > :28:31.first-team regulars out, so the manager needs to get those players

:28:31. > :28:36.back quickly and when he doors they will be OK. Thank you. That is the