Episode 9

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:00:06. > :00:12.Tranmere turn to this man to help turn around their flagging fortunes.

:00:12. > :00:22.Tonight, Ronnie Moore tries his best at Prenton Park. Welcome to

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:00:28. > :00:35.Coming up tonight, then deals uphill battle. Apologies all round,

:00:35. > :00:43.but cannot Rochdale escape from their sorry state? Be got it wrong

:00:43. > :00:46.Gillic in the season. Is it is it the end for or the one major? And

:00:46. > :00:55.when training was poor blacks, a football legend reveals which

:00:55. > :01:05.football club's training regime included hide-and-seek. You had to

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:01:06. > :01:46.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 40 seconds

:01:46. > :01:55.Rochdale are rock bottom of the table after a loss away to Carlisle.

:01:55. > :01:59.Their trip to Huddersfield on Saturday to be even more importance.

:01:59. > :02:07.In a tough loss for Rochdale fans, bottom of the table after a long

:02:07. > :02:14.trip to Carlisle. Party due to? Devastating. You just think, we

:02:14. > :02:20.want those. So badly. A absolutely gutted, especially after Sheffield

:02:20. > :02:24.Wednesday, the penalty miss. I hope it doesn't haunt us. Apologies to

:02:24. > :02:34.the fans after the game have helped to soften the blow. I thought it

:02:34. > :02:38.was very nice of him, it really nice. You don't get managers

:02:38. > :02:43.apologising but he is bigger than that and he is the man for our job.

:02:43. > :02:47.Speed into bitter man, he was confident that John Coleman can

:02:47. > :02:53.keep Rochdale up. Been bottom of Billy, how does that fit with their

:02:53. > :02:57.club? Not very easily, actually, but it was nothing to do with John.

:02:57. > :03:03.We have certainly tighten the defence up and we are a lot better

:03:03. > :03:08.and playing some good football. What we did in the early part of

:03:08. > :03:17.the season is catching up with us. People forget we have been down in

:03:17. > :03:23.a division. We are expecting better this season and we have addressed

:03:23. > :03:27.the problems. It is just whether we have got enough time. I think we

:03:27. > :03:35.have. If you do not have enough time, are their contingency plans?

:03:35. > :03:42.Absolutely. We are going to turn in a good province would the season. -

:03:42. > :03:52.- profit for the season. Should the worst happen, we should be able to

:03:52. > :03:59.build a team. Can they start to flog their way

:03:59. > :04:04.back third of the relegation zone? The odds were not looking too good,

:04:04. > :04:10.when Danny Ward struck Kong for Huddersfield just after the break.

:04:10. > :04:12.How do you answer that? For Rochdale, with this... Tutte

:04:12. > :04:18.Rochdale, with this... Tutte Rochdale, with this... Tutte

:04:18. > :04:28.Rochdale, with this... Tutte levelling things up. Jordan Rhodes

:04:28. > :04:34.gave them the lead. The equaliser was longer, but it did come. And

:04:34. > :04:37.away 0.4 Rochdale for the team 20 away 0.4 Rochdale for the team 20

:04:37. > :04:45.places above them. The believe you can keep them in

:04:45. > :04:48.his sleep. Without a doubt. I would not have come here if I didn't

:04:48. > :04:58.think the players were not good enough. The players have shown that

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:05:08. > :05:11.they are. Well League One is proving to be hard going for all

:05:11. > :05:14.our sides this season, with the rest of the action from the weekend,

:05:14. > :05:19.here's Howard Booth. Tranmere were in front after a

:05:19. > :05:28.corner. A second in first-half injury time proved a killer blow.

:05:28. > :05:34.There was a conversion to help It is for games without a goal for

:05:34. > :05:39.Preston. They find the net against Scunthorpe but it was ruled out for

:05:39. > :05:48.offside. If you want to sum up Oldham's season, look at our last

:05:48. > :05:52.three games. They had to tough luck home defeats. They were on good

:05:52. > :05:59.terms against your will but the visitors had a laugh last -- last

:05:59. > :06:03.laugh. This side simply should not have lost.

:06:03. > :06:13.This seemed could be said about Berry, who could have felt hard

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:06:14. > :06:19.done by to lose at Carlisle. They did not have the advantage for long.

:06:19. > :06:23.It looked like a light -- a drop until just 10 minutes from time.

:06:23. > :06:33.The skipper was caught out. Carlisle were head and the defence

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:06:39. > :06:42.crumbled. -- ahead. It is now 10 lot healthier for Tranmere than it

:06:42. > :06:45.did this time last week. It's four points from six for Rovers now. But

:06:45. > :06:48.this statistic should send shivers down the spine of North End and

:06:48. > :06:58.Bury fans. From the last 54 points available to those two sides,

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:07:00. > :07:04.they've taken eleven points between What has changed? People would say

:07:05. > :07:13.it is their new manager, and results do change. It is a good set

:07:13. > :07:22.of lads aren't once you get used to losing, they haven't won for 12...

:07:22. > :07:29.What the due find? -- what did you find? It is just as easy to get in

:07:29. > :07:39.the habit when you start losing. Let's get in there and change the

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:07:40. > :07:45.way we are playing. I like to play 4-4-2. The big thing for us is the

:07:45. > :07:54.crowd are behind us. Playing at home, I have said to them, we have

:07:54. > :08:04.been lucky away, it gets the crowd behind us. So you are just having a

:08:04. > :08:08.go? It is no good sitting and playing differently. I think they

:08:08. > :08:15.just need to attack harder and try and win. How has it helped, knowing

:08:15. > :08:20.that Tranmere set up so well? to players. Goodison was one.

:08:20. > :08:28.Taylor was the other one. The wealth -- the rest I do not know.

:08:28. > :08:32.If you have got fear in football, you will not shoot. I just tried to

:08:32. > :08:38.relieve that and try and put farm things into big game. That has

:08:38. > :08:43.probably helped, be clean slate? The biggest thing for me, it is

:08:43. > :08:48.great to be back. It would have been 12 month on 22nd March. It has

:08:48. > :08:53.been a nightmare. I can do all the washing now, I have been hanging

:08:53. > :08:59.out, just to make sure because my missus has been out working. It has

:08:59. > :09:04.been a long time. I am going to make sure that they are on my side

:09:04. > :09:08.and we are fighting like mad to stay in it. Briefly, Preston

:09:08. > :09:14.tomorrow and in the near future, can those to Max I'd be dried into

:09:15. > :09:18.the relegation? If we can beat Preston it puts us a point behind

:09:18. > :09:24.them. Berry is only another two match points. There is Rochdale as

:09:24. > :09:27.well. One to come from the boys shortly.

:09:27. > :09:29.Well hold onto your hats as we get the weekend's League Two action

:09:29. > :09:39.underway. Gillingham-Crewe was a right rollercoaster. Here's BBC

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:09:45. > :09:55.they did it a hard way. Their opening goal at Gillingham was

:09:55. > :09:59.described on Radio... Oh, I cannot believe it but I will Tiley once

:10:00. > :10:05.again, watch out, this is goal of the season!

:10:06. > :10:12.They struck back before the break and Powell inspired his side to a

:10:12. > :10:17.second half leat, setting up Smith before scoring his second. What was

:10:17. > :10:26.arguably the game of the weekend, the other side hit back to equalise.

:10:26. > :10:32.It was a fantastic finish. Moore has it. Enit goes to the penalty!

:10:32. > :10:36.They have won it with a wonderful goal! It was a long but happy trip

:10:36. > :10:41.home for Accrington, who took the lead at Southend. The Essex side

:10:41. > :10:50.are not end the automatic promotion places for nothing. They surged

:10:50. > :10:54.ahead midway through the second half. It looked bleak for the boys,

:10:54. > :11:01.but the boss would be delighted that his side stuck to their task

:11:01. > :11:06.and equalised at the death. A brilliant win against Cheltenham

:11:06. > :11:13.in midweek, a Surrey defeat against Hereford for Morecambe, a reverse

:11:14. > :11:17.that might have ended their play- off hopes.

:11:17. > :11:24.After eight straight defeats, it is five straight draws for

:11:24. > :11:33.Macclesfield but this one probably fell like a win. Two down, they

:11:33. > :11:41.showed spirit to fight back laid on. -- later on. In injury time, they

:11:41. > :11:51.grab the equaliser they deserved. This was a valuable point in the

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:11:53. > :11:57.While points are precious for Macclesfield they will need a

:11:57. > :12:02.couple of wins to ease the pressure. They have a superior goal

:12:02. > :12:06.difference on all the sides below them. Now, he played less than a

:12:06. > :12:11.season for the Shakers but he is still regarded as Bury legend. He

:12:11. > :12:16.went on to win league titles and cups and became his country's most

:12:16. > :12:26.capped players. He was regarded as one of the best in the world at his

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:12:32. > :12:38.position. It all started at Gigg Bury season 1980/81 and the

:12:38. > :12:42.beginning of a brilliant career. Many great players have graced Gigg

:12:42. > :12:47.Lane down the years. But this guy only played 39 games for bur ri,

:12:47. > :12:56.and yet he became one of the world's great lest goalkeepers

:12:56. > :12:59.was given the tip-off, by a lad called Micky Pick Up who was one of

:12:59. > :13:06.the trainers at Bury. The manager said get down and have a look at

:13:06. > :13:10.him. I did do and I thought this lad's looks the part, who, he was

:13:10. > :13:15.ajiel, good with high balls, terrific at low shots, so I thought

:13:15. > :13:20.he is terrific this boy. Windfall McGuinness was a coach there. He

:13:20. > :13:24.recognised something special and snapped up Neville south hall from

:13:24. > :13:32.a non-league side. It was a dream. It was a good chance to take. The

:13:32. > :13:35.people were friendly, and it always rained. That is Bury. It is cloudy,

:13:35. > :13:41.rainy. Neville didn't drive so he used to cycle or get lifts into

:13:41. > :13:45.training. Some of the sessions left him nonplussed. I I remember one of

:13:45. > :13:50.the training session, we stood in the middle of the pitch and he said

:13:50. > :13:54.last one of of sight. So we had to climb over fences and go behind the

:13:54. > :13:58.bushes and hide. I thought this is real football. There was no warm up.

:13:58. > :14:03.It was last one out of sight or you stand in the middle of the pitch

:14:03. > :14:07.and the last one to touch four posts and back. I thought we

:14:07. > :14:14.haven't warmed up, to me it was great, because I had played non-

:14:14. > :14:22.league and been to grounds in the back of trucks. Summer signing

:14:22. > :14:27.where he won cherub league uners up medal. His displays got rave

:14:27. > :14:32.reviews. Neville says he has only one person to thank. Will of was

:14:32. > :14:39.great. It would be me and him. We used to work for an hour, hour-and-

:14:39. > :14:43.a-half, he knew what he was doing, he was not a goalkeeping coach, he

:14:43. > :14:48.taught me sense to me than all the coaches I have had. He wasn't lazy,

:14:48. > :14:52.he was a tremendous trainer, wanted to learn and he did learn and

:14:52. > :14:57.develop. Tremendous. John Forrest had been the number one at Bury for

:14:57. > :15:02.years but there was no jealousy for the rise of the new star. To help

:15:02. > :15:06.him, give him a shove to start him off, makes you feel good and to

:15:06. > :15:12.help a fellow pro-and make the career he did. It was all football

:15:12. > :15:16.for Neville with no time, nor cash, for anything else. By Christmas, by

:15:16. > :15:21.the time we had snow, all the furniture I brought from Wales I

:15:21. > :15:26.sold, because I couldn't afford to pay the electric bill, so I was,

:15:26. > :15:31.that was handy, because I got a house with a massive storage

:15:31. > :15:35.heaters. I took almy furniture and sold it to pay the bill. Local

:15:35. > :15:40.press named man as the club to be following Neville's progress. It

:15:40. > :15:44.wasn't long before the big clubs came knocking. I thought we have

:15:44. > :15:49.one and I rang Manchester United, and told them what a goalkeeper we

:15:49. > :15:56.have here at Bury. But I think Everton jumped in first and

:15:56. > :16:00.snaffled him up. I had no intentions of moving anywhere or

:16:00. > :16:08.doing anything. I only new about Everton's interest when I went home

:16:08. > :16:13.for, to say with my mum and dad. is regarded as a legend on the blue

:16:13. > :16:17.half of Merseyside having won honours with Everton but he retains

:16:17. > :16:22.huge affection for his first league sidement They gave me more than I

:16:22. > :16:27.took out of them. They gave me lots more. How do you say thank do you a

:16:27. > :16:31.club like that. There would be no Everton without Bury. Great guy. I

:16:31. > :16:35.think his hide-and-seek days are over though! Imagine you are the

:16:35. > :16:39.manager of a lower league club and you are small squad -- your small

:16:39. > :16:42.squad is decimated by injuries the transfer window is shut so the only

:16:42. > :16:48.thing you can do is take a replacement player on emergency

:16:48. > :16:57.loan. Not for long. FIFA is to outlaw that system and it could

:16:57. > :17:01.have catastrophic effects for our clubs. It was introduced six years

:17:01. > :17:06.ago and the emergency loan system continues to be essential for our

:17:06. > :17:11.Football League clubs. Nowhere more so than at Macclesfield who have

:17:11. > :17:21.made four loan signings since Jan, January, three on an emergency

:17:21. > :17:23.

:17:23. > :17:28.basis. Well, for clubs like, in our position, you know n the lower esh

:17:28. > :17:32.Lens, that can't carry massive squads, it is a godsend for us.

:17:32. > :17:36.have had 12 front line players out, managed to get four in on loan,

:17:36. > :17:40.which has seen us through. As well as having the summer to bring in

:17:40. > :17:44.players clubs have a month in January and it is during the lat er

:17:44. > :17:48.part of the season having a small squad can take it toll. Other

:17:48. > :17:52.options are available. Though the January transfer window closes on

:17:52. > :17:56.the 31st of that month. Emergency loans can be arranged outside of

:17:56. > :17:59.this period. We have tried to get hold of a FIFA spokesperson to come

:17:59. > :18:05.on the programme to talk about the decision to establish the system,

:18:05. > :18:08.instead, we got a statement. # English football has not been

:18:08. > :18:11.observering the guidelines, an emergency loan is not longer an

:18:11. > :18:15.emergency and England must fall in line with the rest of Europe and

:18:15. > :18:19.the rest of the world. When a player moves clubs it is still

:18:19. > :18:26.considered a transfer and there are two transfer windows, the length

:18:26. > :18:31.lish football will have to abide by.". We have had onrations, hernia

:18:31. > :18:37.operations, groins, hamstrings, calfs. An one stage I only had two

:18:37. > :18:42.defenders in the squad. I hadn't got a keeper fit, so obviously, if

:18:42. > :18:47.we lost that facility, we would have been snookered. Macclesfield

:18:47. > :18:51.aren't alone. Rochdale currently have three standard emergency

:18:52. > :18:56.loanees, Bury Accrington and Crewe have two. Oldham and Preston have

:18:56. > :19:00.one. Bringing in players under the separate category of emergency

:19:00. > :19:05.youth loan signings will be restricted, had that been the case

:19:05. > :19:10.now, Bury wouldn't have been able to make a short-term signing like

:19:10. > :19:14.the teenage West Brom strike er. The youth loans are really

:19:14. > :19:18.emergency loans because they came within that window, or outside the

:19:18. > :19:21.ra transfer window. I think in termles of clubs with small

:19:21. > :19:25.financial budget, we can't be taking players on that won't be

:19:25. > :19:30.involved on a regular basis, to get something for a month or two month,

:19:30. > :19:33.which means it is not restricting us financially is a big help.

:19:34. > :19:39.benefits aren't just for small clubs according to the player's

:19:39. > :19:45.union. We have had some 300 to 400 such loans, for the past five or

:19:45. > :19:51.six seasons. Half of those players will be probably young Premier

:19:51. > :19:54.League player, and I think that is good for Erne r When it is

:19:54. > :19:58.established is that not good for some of your members to get a

:19:58. > :20:03.chance to step up to the first team? Yes, it can in fairness. That

:20:03. > :20:07.is the other side of the argument, with regard to windows, when there

:20:07. > :20:12.is no opportunity to get players, they have to give their own

:20:12. > :20:16.youngsters a chance. If you are good enough we will play them.

:20:16. > :20:22.Certainly, I'm conscious of the fact that sometimes you can play

:20:22. > :20:27.them too early, play them too often, and the young boy Hewitt we have

:20:27. > :20:31.got is a terrific prospect. But he has played a lot of football for a

:20:31. > :20:36.17-year-old. We give him his debut when he was 16. So you have to be

:20:36. > :20:40.careful how you handle the young lads. As our lower league clubs

:20:40. > :20:45.await the implication of change, FIFA has announced a consultation

:20:45. > :20:50.period to consider the whole transfer window structure.

:20:50. > :20:53.Scrapping emergency loans may just be the start. It's a real problem

:20:53. > :20:58.for clubs in genuine need? It is massive. It will be a nightmare for

:20:58. > :21:03.Football League clubs, I mean we have had loanees in from the

:21:03. > :21:07.premier, it stops them, it is a learning curve for the kids and we

:21:07. > :21:11.can't afford to be carrying 2530 professional footballers, so it

:21:11. > :21:15.will affect everybody. Do you buy into the fact it is good for the

:21:15. > :21:19.youth team player, they will get a chance instead of someone being

:21:19. > :21:23.brought in. I think the fact it is important that players can get out

:21:23. > :21:29.to other club, because reserve team football, it is not real football

:21:29. > :21:35.as good as it is. When the players go on loan it is an opportunity for

:21:35. > :21:39.them to learn... Football is five a side at this present time. No

:21:39. > :21:44.contact. It is going to help them under pressure. They need to win

:21:44. > :21:47.games, there is points at stake. See who wins the battle. FIFA no

:21:47. > :21:51.doubt. We with were looking at the possibility of Burnley and

:21:51. > :21:59.Blackpool scrapping for a play off place. With the Championship action

:21:59. > :22:06.here is Stewart. A week to forget for the Seasiders off the field

:22:06. > :22:13.awkward reports about the club's finance, now on it a drubbing at

:22:14. > :22:17.Peterborough. Matt Gilkes was the only one to escape criticism. Paul

:22:17. > :22:22.Taylor's drive before the break was the killer blow from which

:22:22. > :22:29.Blackpool never recovered. They pulled one back with ten minutes

:22:29. > :22:32.remains but any lingers hopes of a point were extinguished when Boyd

:22:32. > :22:38.point were extinguished when Boyd converted his soid's third.

:22:38. > :22:43.Burnley's play off push has faltered. This was their first

:22:43. > :22:49.point in 12. Rodriguez's spot kick was the perfect start but missed

:22:49. > :22:52.chances cost them deer and Palace snatched a penalty of their own.

:22:52. > :22:58.snatched a penalty of their own. Darren Ambrose converting. Burnley

:22:58. > :23:04.have slipped out of of the top half. The top half shows Blackpool

:23:04. > :23:09.sliding out of the play off places, the Clarets are nine points off the

:23:09. > :23:13.play-offs now. Michael, we must start off, first by offering

:23:13. > :23:18.commiserations to Eddie How whose mother died on Saturday before the

:23:18. > :23:24.game. That must have shocked the game. It was a huge shock. We were

:23:24. > :23:28.aware his mum wasn't very well. But, you know, none of the players found

:23:28. > :23:33.out until we came out into the dressing room. We found ot the news

:23:33. > :23:40.the Gaffer wasn't at the game. He was with his family. Our thoughts

:23:40. > :23:45.go out to him. That goes for the rest of us. Burnley, a season of

:23:45. > :23:49.two halves, one six, drawn six, that isn't good enough. What is

:23:49. > :23:52.happen something There has been a lots of changes in the past year,

:23:52. > :23:56.before we couldn't win, couldn't win away and always won at home so

:23:56. > :23:59.it is turned on its head. Think we have struggled when teams have come

:23:59. > :24:03.to our place and sat in a bit. We have had to break them down. Away

:24:03. > :24:07.from home we can play on the counter attack and it seems to suit

:24:07. > :24:11.the way we play. A lot has been said about Burnley being a team in

:24:11. > :24:15.transition. Do you get that feeling? It is all about next

:24:15. > :24:19.season and it is gelling? I don't think it similar possible we can

:24:19. > :24:24.get into the play-offs. Whilst we still can, there, we have to fight

:24:24. > :24:27.tooth and nail to try and get into the top six, but, you know, like I

:24:27. > :24:30.said there has been a lot of changes, and hopefully, if it

:24:30. > :24:35.doesn't work this year, then the foundations will be there for me,

:24:35. > :24:41.year. What to you say to each other after each home game when you may

:24:41. > :24:44.have failed to notch a win? Does it become frustrating? Is it the

:24:44. > :24:49.atmosphere? It just frustration, there have been a lot of games

:24:49. > :24:52.where we have played well enough to win. That is the frustrating thing.

:24:52. > :24:56.We haven't maybe taken opportunity whence they have come about.

:24:56. > :25:01.Sometimes when teams have sat in, we've not maybe created enough

:25:01. > :25:06.chances at times. You are one of the veterans at the club, if not

:25:06. > :25:11.the oldest. Are you helping the youngsters through it? I don't know

:25:11. > :25:16.whether I am educating, most of them are better than me I try and

:25:16. > :25:20.organise as much to help me as much to help anybody else. Thank you for

:25:20. > :25:25.that. Clarets fans this should cheer you up. It is Burnley's turn

:25:25. > :25:31.at the quiz. Everyone wants to play. Representing the Clarets at One on

:25:31. > :25:36.One is Charlie Austin who chose the Ceres birz and Marvin Bartley who

:25:36. > :25:44.didn't just choose the azure birz he caressed it. Here is Dianne

:25:44. > :25:54.Oxberry with the questions. -- buzzer. Who is the manager of

:25:54. > :25:56.

:25:56. > :26:03.Birmingham City? What is the capital city of Finland? Helsinki.

:26:03. > :26:13.Finish this Paddy McGuinness catchphrase, no likey? Wait, wait.

:26:13. > :26:16.

:26:16. > :26:22.Rerun that was me. No likey. What do cows drink. Milk. Water. If the

:26:22. > :26:32.square root of nine is three, and an on tag natural object has eight

:26:32. > :26:34.

:26:34. > :26:44.sides, what is seven times six? Name two members of one direction?

:26:44. > :26:51.

:26:51. > :27:01.Harry and Zane, is that right? my God. Who is the Mayor of London?

:27:01. > :27:02.

:27:02. > :27:09.Boris Johnson. Name the two Burnley managers before Eddie? Ioane coil

:27:09. > :27:15.and Brian Love. You recall right with that buzzer. You can let go.

:27:15. > :27:25.Which current Championship striker was born on July 5th. Me. What's

:27:25. > :27:26.

:27:26. > :27:36.that about? Which claret's player has the middle name Clement? Martin

:27:36. > :27:38.

:27:38. > :27:47.-- Marvin. Which member of the Royal Family declared themselves a

:27:47. > :27:55.Burnley fan? Harry. Prince William. Prarls. Hang on he didn't press his

:27:55. > :28:03.thing. Rerun the tape. In which country do Boca Juniors play.

:28:03. > :28:07.Brazil. Argentina. Who won? You did Marvin, easily. With the hectic

:28:07. > :28:12.Easter period looming there are a couple of games this week. Ronnie

:28:12. > :28:16.will try and make it three when Preston are hosted while Oldham

:28:16. > :28:21.make the trip to Stevenage, coverage of those games all week on

:28:21. > :28:25.your BBC local radio station. Well, that is not only it for tonight,

:28:25. > :28:31.that is it from Late Kick Off for two week, we have fallen victim to

:28:31. > :28:35.the BBC's rotation system. So until Monday March 26th keep in touch via

:28:35. > :28:39.Facebook and Twitter. Thank you to Ronnie and might bele for being us