Episode 10

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:00:12. > :00:22.Listen, could that be the start of squeaky bottom time? Welcome to

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:00:28. > :00:34.late kick-off. There Chesterfield and they have been to Wembley. Lee

:00:34. > :00:39.Clark hits out about managers. Backstage at the home of English

:00:39. > :00:44.football. Good evening, loads and loads to

:00:44. > :00:46.get through as usual tonight. And with me to discuss the action and

:00:46. > :00:48.the issues. They nicknamed him the Ginger

:00:48. > :00:51.Mourinho, it's Sheffield Wednesday's former boss Gary Megson.

:00:51. > :00:55.And alongside him, they've never called him the blond Sir Alex, but

:00:55. > :00:57.maybe we should. John Hendrie. But we can only start with

:00:57. > :01:02.Chesterfield tonight. 20,000 Spireites fans at Wembley tells me

:01:02. > :01:08.that the Johnstones Paint Trophy matters. And we were hardly going

:01:08. > :01:15.to miss out on the party were we? Rob Jones went along for a fan's

:01:15. > :01:20.eye view. As the clocks went forward, the people of this market

:01:20. > :01:26.town could be forgiven for staying in bed, but this all seemed

:01:26. > :01:30.different - the town was on the move. On most Sunday mornings

:01:30. > :01:40.Chesterfield fans had been pretty sad with their team boss mother

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:01:41. > :01:51.League but not today because there on the way to Wembley. -- because

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:01:53. > :02:03.they are bottom of the League. It was an early start and fairly

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:02:04. > :02:13.pedestrian progress but it was all worth it as Wembley emerge. --

:02:13. > :02:17.emerged. Most of these fans are enjoying the new Wembley for the

:02:17. > :02:24.first time but we know a man who has a better knowledge of this home

:02:24. > :02:29.of football. And have been here before - unlike Chesterfield. The

:02:29. > :02:39.excitement is the same every single time. We have three hours to kick-

:02:39. > :02:44.off and people are very happy. will win? Chesterfield! It was

:02:44. > :02:53.incredible. Such a great day for the town and the fans. We're really

:02:53. > :02:56.looking forward to it and we are optimistic. I have been a heat --

:02:56. > :03:06.here few tens to watch England's but this is great to be here for

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:03:06. > :03:12.your own town. If we win here, it will be a better season than last

:03:12. > :03:20.year. First time to the new Wembley, it is pretty impressive. Everyone

:03:20. > :03:24.is excited and cheering. faithful have the chance to enjoy

:03:24. > :03:30.the occasion and soak up the London sunshine has been a thought for

:03:30. > :03:33.those who have to put a shift in. It is beautiful weather, Wembley

:03:33. > :03:39.weather but the real action takes place in the dark recesses of the

:03:39. > :03:48.stadium. This is where cover of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy final is

:03:48. > :03:53.produced. It is not much of their view, especially compared to these

:03:53. > :04:02.two. This is us, ready to do the commentary for the Football League

:04:02. > :04:05.Show tonight. Wembley final! I love the final because it gives you the

:04:05. > :04:11.opportunity to fans who would not otherwise get the opportunity to

:04:11. > :04:15.come to Wembley and they genuinely enjoy it. You can see them coming

:04:15. > :04:20.along and walking along the outside, they are genuinely expected to be

:04:20. > :04:27.here. This is the first time for both these teams to be in the final

:04:27. > :04:34.and no means a lot for the fans. Over 20,000 Chesterfield fans took

:04:34. > :04:38.their seat. Pleasantries exchanged, Chesterfield look to have made the

:04:38. > :04:44.perfect start but the offside flag denied Jack Lester. I am not sure

:04:44. > :04:49.he got that right. I do not understand why he called that off.

:04:49. > :04:57.A debatable decision to say the least. Jack Lester was then forced

:04:57. > :05:03.off with injury. Maybe it wouldn't be Chesterfield day. Alex Mendy has

:05:03. > :05:09.turned it end, it is an own goal. Chesterfield have the leader.

:05:09. > :05:17.Oliver Risser put the ball into his own net. Craig Westcarr should have

:05:17. > :05:21.put the game beyond doubt, but the striker miscued. That could be

:05:21. > :05:24.massive! That might have one Chesterfield the trophy.

:05:24. > :05:34.supporters were living on their nerves before a late crowning

:05:34. > :05:44.moment. Westcarr is true - he has his second opportunity. This time

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:05:46. > :05:56.no mistake. Chesterfield have won the Johnstone's Paint Trophy! It is

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:06:02. > :06:07.Chesterfield FC! A but now the troubles of the league can wait and

:06:07. > :06:13.Chesterfield fans can just enjoy their day in the sun. Four

:06:13. > :06:19.fantastic day out. Again, a well deserved. The team did brilliantly.

:06:19. > :06:24.Swindon came back as by the second half was all us. It has been the

:06:24. > :06:32.best state of my life, apart from getting married and divorced. I

:06:32. > :06:36.really enjoyed it great to see the lads do it. Team organisation.

:06:36. > :06:41.Perform in the league this season but the one today, at good work and

:06:42. > :06:49.a good goal. I nearly bounced down to a halfway line after that second

:06:49. > :06:56.goal. It is so good we're not going back to town to celebrate, we will

:06:56. > :07:01.have a good celebration here. What a fantastic day. A manager John

:07:01. > :07:08.Sheridan it is a second piece of silverware in as many years. -- for

:07:08. > :07:18.manager. It has been a blue day and the best thing is when you walk up,

:07:18. > :07:24.it was not a dream. It really was a wonderful day at Wembley. Do you

:07:24. > :07:27.think just a few deserve to win? depends what you mean by deserve.

:07:27. > :07:31.Swindon had a lot of possession but Chesterfield had the best chances

:07:31. > :07:36.and they took them, so they deserved it. It was a great day for

:07:36. > :07:42.the town. John Sheridan will be enjoying this, he has worked hard

:07:42. > :07:48.for this. Absolutely. He has done well, they got promotion and a new

:07:48. > :07:53.stadium. Now it is back to work. They have a game on Wednesday night

:07:54. > :07:59.against Sheffield Wednesday. For me they are running out of games. They

:07:59. > :08:03.have to get promotion sooner rather than later. There was a key player

:08:03. > :08:09.in the second half of the game - Craig Westcarr, he was involved in

:08:09. > :08:15.everything. If you see the first one, he had it under his feet at

:08:15. > :08:19.the last second. In this one, one of the last block him off and

:08:19. > :08:24.obviously you should not do that obviously you should not do that

:08:24. > :08:31.but he got away with it. This is much more like it. He gets down and

:08:31. > :08:32.finished it with a great deal of style. But really, he should not

:08:33. > :08:42.style. But really, he should not have been on this pitch at that

:08:42. > :08:49.stage. John Sheridan - I tell you what's - the next game he will not

:08:49. > :08:55.be able to celebrate. He will have to be totally focused on the match

:08:55. > :09:01.on Wednesday. We're talking about the league because that is what

:09:01. > :09:07.matters to Chesterfield. Well they get abused from this? -- will they

:09:07. > :09:11.get a boost from this? It is different because there scrapping

:09:11. > :09:21.at the bottom of the table by looking at their fixtures, it is

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:09:23. > :09:33.difficult. It will be a big ask but it is not impossible. I bit better

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:09:33. > :09:39.than their results say? They are. - are the better. They brought the

:09:39. > :09:46.lad clerk in from Swindon, he has gone so it has been a bit Topsy

:09:46. > :09:51.Turvey. They are better team than the position suggests. The stuff

:09:51. > :09:57.they did in the Cup Final is exactly what they need. It should

:09:57. > :10:05.galvanise the club and get them together. That is that this that

:10:05. > :10:08.Chesterfield made. Coming up - all her Football League goals from the

:10:08. > :10:15.weekend. And who was see it BBC Radio Sheffield have their brains

:10:15. > :10:20.tuned in on their head to head. Well, a week ago, Rotherham's Andy

:10:20. > :10:23.Scott received his P45. Just the latest of over a dozen in the last

:10:23. > :10:29.dozen months in our area. And with Gary here tonight, we obviously

:10:29. > :10:37.must talk about the current spate of managerial sackings. Had he come

:10:37. > :10:43.to terms with leaving Hillsborough? Knoll. It has happened in the past,

:10:43. > :10:48.I do not think I have ever been sacked for results. But this one

:10:48. > :10:54.from a personal point of view, it rankles a great deal. The

:10:54. > :11:00.circumstances and the fact that I view Wednesday as my club. I have

:11:00. > :11:04.supported them since I was five. When I was given the job, I was so

:11:04. > :11:12.pleased as it was a dream come true. To lose it when things are going

:11:12. > :11:18.well, sticks in my throat. How it is not just that it is years club

:11:18. > :11:23.but you will position? Yes, we're more than well positioned. We

:11:23. > :11:32.played the second half of the derby game against Sheffield gin painted

:11:32. > :11:38.and I was speaking to Chris Evans afterwards, we will go up now. I

:11:38. > :11:44.stopped something in 45 minutes in terms of drive and desire like that

:11:44. > :11:48.had when I was that Sheffield Wednesday. As seriously thought we

:11:48. > :11:57.will not get beat again this season. Two then lose your job three days

:11:57. > :12:04.afterwards, is harsh. What we just sit there is some of the fans who

:12:04. > :12:11.are saying, we're flying? I am one of them, I am a Wednesday supporter.

:12:11. > :12:18.They have got better but nothing has changed. It is the same players.

:12:18. > :12:23.Nothing has changed. In any walk of life, the sign of a good leader is

:12:23. > :12:29.what you leave behind. I joined the club one of the 16th, I have left

:12:29. > :12:34.under protest when it was third. I am really pleased with the job I'd

:12:34. > :12:40.it at the football club. And even more pleased with the fact that

:12:40. > :12:44.Sheffield Wednesday. It is given the club momentum to go forward.

:12:44. > :12:49.are not unique in our region, Simon Grayson was sacked when the club

:12:49. > :12:54.has done well. We had been speaking to Lee Clark as well this week and

:12:54. > :13:00.he mentioned due. The ironic thing was that not long after I had been

:13:00. > :13:05.relieved of my duties, Gary Megson was one of their manager's eyes

:13:05. > :13:11.spoke to and he was one are the ones to call me up saying he was

:13:11. > :13:16.surprised at the decision. Unfortunately, for Gary it a couple

:13:16. > :13:24.of weeks later the same thing happened to them. I think as well

:13:24. > :13:30.in his case, even though he created -- I created a great relationship

:13:30. > :13:36.at Huddersfield, Sheffield Wednesday was Gary's Club, lots of

:13:36. > :13:42.family history. His father played there. It was very special for him,

:13:42. > :13:51.so I would imagine it was even harder for him to take. Is it the

:13:51. > :13:57.right way to operate, so many clubs changing managers? We took the club

:13:57. > :14:07.forward. We were constantly improving them, we were getting

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:14:10. > :14:17.automatic promotion. It owner has obviously seen something he did not

:14:17. > :14:24.think it was right. He is said in public, I do not know the exact

:14:24. > :14:29.word... He said he could handle the pressure. That must be frustrating

:14:29. > :14:35.to hear someone say that about you when you played at the top level?

:14:35. > :14:42.Possibly because we had lost the one before. I have had pressure

:14:42. > :14:51.since I was 15, captaining the England schoolboys. I played every

:14:51. > :15:00.week in front of 52,000 people. That was pressure enough. That is

:15:00. > :15:05.just a flippant remark in terms of the pressure. All I can say is, he

:15:05. > :15:10.put the current squad up for sale at the end of the season, 6-7 of

:15:10. > :15:14.those will go up and I know already because I had been part of the

:15:14. > :15:20.process when there has been big offers made for three or four of

:15:20. > :15:24.them already. Clubs are watching other ones, so I know you put them

:15:24. > :15:34.on the open market and you sell them. The chairman won't be in

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:15:41. > :15:49.SEAC 8 o'clock will make money and whether they get promoted or not?

:15:49. > :15:57.Come the end of this season, it will be about finances. But can

:15:57. > :16:00.they make the sort of the man's that Simon Grayson's will need. But

:16:00. > :16:08.that most important relationship at a football club is between the

:16:08. > :16:16.chairman and the football manager. He sounded a bit better and with

:16:16. > :16:20.the record he had, you can hardly blame him. From my own point of

:16:20. > :16:30.view, he was saying he needed to spend a bit of money and bring

:16:30. > :16:34.

:16:34. > :16:44.players in. He spent a �500,000 on Jordan Rhodes and he would be worth

:16:44. > :16:44.

:16:44. > :16:52.a lot more now. I brought and 14 loan players in seven months, but

:16:52. > :16:59.you still need to bring in some quality. As he was saying, if they

:16:59. > :17:05.try and sell these players they will get a lot more for them.

:17:05. > :17:14.all these managerial sackings when clubs are doing well, is the world

:17:14. > :17:18.going upside down? Yes, invariably, it may be happens that there is a

:17:18. > :17:25.split between the chairman and manager and it is not really about

:17:25. > :17:30.results. It hurts to see the league position and it seems to be

:17:30. > :17:34.something that is creeping into football of late. Right, time for

:17:34. > :17:44.some action. If they had not made the final, Chesterfield would have

:17:44. > :17:54.

:17:54. > :18:04.it Sheffield Wednesday knew that a win would put it there city rivals

:18:04. > :18:05.

:18:05. > :18:13.under pressure. Huddersfield kept up the pressure with a one-goal

:18:13. > :18:23.victory over Charlton, courtesy of Jordan Rhodes. Scunthorpe and Notts

:18:23. > :18:27.

:18:27. > :18:36.County played out a goalless draw. The League One table add nothing

:18:36. > :18:41.between the teams at the top. Charlton's defeat to Huddersfield

:18:41. > :18:51.means that they could still be caught. At the bottom, Chesterfield

:18:51. > :18:53.

:18:53. > :19:03.now have work to do despite their We will talk firstly about

:19:03. > :19:06.

:19:06. > :19:12.Sheffield Wednesday. The goalscorer Reda Johnson. Yes, he came to the

:19:12. > :19:17.club as a left-sided centre-half, but since he moved to left-back, he

:19:18. > :19:26.has scored seven goals, most of them through set-pieces. We worked

:19:26. > :19:31.very hard done that and he is very brave and attacks at the ball.

:19:31. > :19:38.defender Matt gets goals is a very nice, but you need a striker to get

:19:38. > :19:48.the goals and, once again, Jordan Rhodes did it again. 35 goals this

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:19:51. > :19:59.season. Amazing. His dad was mad as a brush and if he is anything like

:19:59. > :20:05.that M he will be nuts. But he also get a cap for Scotland this year.

:20:05. > :20:14.There will of the cab a lot of talk about them. There has been one for

:20:14. > :20:24.West Ham may be an forum that in the summer. Let us see what happens

:20:24. > :20:36.

:20:36. > :20:39.if Huddersfield get up. Back into the championship. - Saturday was a

:20:39. > :20:49.chance to repair some damage. Two did, two didn't. Neil Morrow takes

:20:49. > :20:56.

:20:56. > :21:00.recovered from the midweek week hammering by Nottingham Forest.

:21:00. > :21:10.Ross McCormack got the one goal which earned them a victory at

:21:10. > :21:16.

:21:16. > :21:25.Millwall. There was an air of inevitability about the Southampton

:21:25. > :21:33.against Doncaster match. Billy Sharp should put them ahead after

:21:33. > :21:43.the hour and this same player scored a second. There was a

:21:43. > :21:44.

:21:44. > :21:50.reunited between Hull city and they're all manager. Matty Fryatt

:21:50. > :22:00.at Holyhead, but goals from Lloyd Dyer and Ben Marshall air not less

:22:00. > :22:03.

:22:03. > :22:10.than the win. Hugs at the end, but this was a painful defeat for Hull

:22:10. > :22:14.city the top of the championship table. Hull city and Leeds united

:22:14. > :22:24.are or two and see places respectively away from the play-

:22:24. > :22:30.

:22:30. > :22:39.One win in 84 Doncaster is their current run. The loss again by two

:22:39. > :22:48.goals to Billy Sharp. Yes, that was pretty predictable. It was always

:22:48. > :22:53.going to be a very hard game up and down at Southampton. Now, Leeds

:22:53. > :23:00.united appear to have been doing all the right things and then the

:23:00. > :23:06.wet and shipped seven goals against not enough for us! But they

:23:06. > :23:10.actually write in the play-off hunt. Down to Millwall on Saturday and

:23:10. > :23:20.they have what Ford this weekend. After the Nottingham Forest game,

:23:20. > :23:23.

:23:23. > :23:28.they were written off by a lot of people. You like Ross McCormack?

:23:28. > :23:31.Yes, not just because he is Scottish. He is the good player and

:23:31. > :23:36.will always get in in front of players at the near post and his

:23:36. > :23:40.goalscoring record this season is very good.

:23:40. > :23:43.That is the Championship. League Two in a moment, after we turn the

:23:43. > :23:52.tables on two of our own. BBC Radio Sheffield's Paul Walker and Andy

:23:52. > :24:02.Giddings are used to asking the questions. Let's have some answers.

:24:02. > :24:05.

:24:05. > :24:15.Andy, 31, sports journalist, Paul, 35, sports journalist. What you did

:24:15. > :24:20.

:24:20. > :24:27.BBC Radio Sheffield first cornea? He had their 1861. 1967. Bramall

:24:27. > :24:37.Lane is one of two grounds to host international football in its

:24:37. > :24:47.Yorkshire, name the other. Who is the older club, United on

:24:47. > :24:51.

:24:51. > :25:01.Wednesday? United. And note, a Wednesday. But movie starring Sean

:25:01. > :25:03.

:25:03. > :25:13.Bean feature Sheffield United. Saturday comes. Which club was

:25:13. > :25:19.

:25:19. > :25:23.formed first, Doncaster Rochester The result is 7-2. I just want to

:25:23. > :25:26.find out who forgot the tambourines!

:25:26. > :25:29.We finish tonight with League Two then, as Rotherham's caretaker boss

:25:29. > :25:32.Darren Patterson took the team to Crawley, looking to make it two

:25:32. > :25:42.wins out of two. With that, and the action from Bradford versus

:25:42. > :25:52.

:25:52. > :25:57.well beaten at Crawley Town. Billy Clarke opened the scoring, Gary

:25:57. > :26:07.Alexander added a second shortly afterwards and the No 17 mmac

:26:07. > :26:10.

:26:10. > :26:16.finished the scoring. Gillingham pushed into a two-goal lead at

:26:16. > :26:26.Bradford, with goals from Lewis Montrose and name 14 mmac own goal.

:26:26. > :26:28.

:26:28. > :26:38.But the fight fight back began with Nahki Wells. After much discussion,

:26:38. > :26:38.

:26:38. > :26:48.at Jamie Hanson effort was allowed to stand. One point each. Bradford

:26:48. > :26:52.

:26:52. > :27:02.now at four points away from the Do you think Andy Scott was harshly

:27:02. > :27:03.

:27:03. > :27:07.treated? Yes, I think so. When he was there, they had a top striker

:27:08. > :27:17.there and that was the difference between them be any good side at

:27:17. > :27:22.the struggling side. I think it is really unfortunate. Now, to valet

:27:22. > :27:30.parade and Bradford. You were at their game at the weekend. Where

:27:30. > :27:39.they unlucky or were lucky? He is, it was a lucky goal, but they were

:27:39. > :27:43.unlucky to have the gold chopped off before that. I must admit,

:27:43. > :27:51.there are not many referees that would have allowed a goal to stand.

:27:51. > :27:55.But they do deserve it. At the end, Gillingham were hanging on.

:27:55. > :27:58.Before the cocoa, time for a quick look at what is on this week.

:27:58. > :28:01.On Tuesday, Doncaster go to Crystal Palace and they will have an ear on

:28:01. > :28:04.what is happening with Hull's trip to Portsmouth.

:28:04. > :28:06.Also on Tuesday, Bradford host Crawley for the very first time.

:28:06. > :28:10.And on Wednesday evening, the rearranged game between Sheffield

:28:10. > :28:13.United and Chesterfield. Huge for both, for very different reasons.

:28:13. > :28:17.If you are not travelling, or just otherwise engaged, follow the lot

:28:17. > :28:20.on your BBC Local Radio Station. And follow us too on that Twitter

:28:20. > :28:23.thing that Gary and John love so much @guymowbray or @bbclkoyl.

:28:23. > :28:29.And the final weekly notice is the BBC iPlayer, upon which this very