:00:38. > :00:45.Welcome to the City of Liverpool. Home to one of English football's
:00:46. > :00:51.most alluring fixtures, the Merseyside Derby. On this week's
:00:52. > :00:58.meeting, the 228th, between the reds of Liverpool and the blues of
:00:59. > :01:05.Everton, will this be a special one in the football mad cauldron. To do
:01:06. > :01:13.this, I'm joined by an esteem panel of experts, steeped in local folk
:01:14. > :01:18.leer. Peter Reid, a team player in Everton's successful history. Mark
:01:19. > :01:23.Lawrenson a European Cup winner with the dominant Liverpool side of the
:01:24. > :01:32.1980s, in a spell that included five wins. David Prentice, covering
:01:33. > :01:40.football for 25 years fresh from his win, boxer, Tony Bellew, a
:01:41. > :01:46.cruise you are champ and a die-hard every tonian. The present
:01:47. > :01:51.incarnation is a complex beast, history, tradition, controversy,
:01:52. > :02:00.drama. This fixture has it all. # So ferry cross the Mersey, cos
:02:01. > :02:04.this land's the place I love... Liverpool children, they say, are
:02:05. > :02:11.taught to walk by taking them to football matches. Would you like to
:02:12. > :02:16.play for Liverpool? Yes! Everton, honour no object. There are two
:02:17. > :02:24.teams in the city, Everton and the Everton Reserves.
:02:25. > :02:32.It's a ball for Andy King. Oh, yes, he's got it.
:02:33. > :02:38.Andy King, congratulations. Looking for Sharpe. He's behind
:02:39. > :02:44.Lawrence, and there he is, Sharpe, what a fantastic goal.
:02:45. > :02:50.Oh, a lovely goal. And Rush is on the far side. Is this three? It is!
:02:51. > :02:53.Liverpool have won the double. # They can't have it
:02:54. > :03:01.# You can't have it # I can't have it too.
:03:02. > :03:14.# All together now # All together now
:03:15. > :03:19.All together now... # Oh, lucky you
:03:20. > :03:24.# There's nothing to lose... And McAllister has a fantastic goal!
:03:25. > :03:28.# You will, you won't # You do, you don't
:03:29. > :03:36.# You say you will # But you know you won't... And
:03:37. > :03:43.surely that's the goal that will win the Derby?! So it's one of the most
:03:44. > :03:46.eagerly anticipated derbys in the football calendar. Steeped in
:03:47. > :03:50.history, romance, with wonderful statistics attached to it, such as
:03:51. > :03:55.the most red cards in a Premier League fixture. But is it as
:03:56. > :04:00.relevant, as important to the fans a it ever was? It is as ever, possibly
:04:01. > :04:04.more so as far as the fans are concerned. The atmosphere is
:04:05. > :04:10.different to the ones that I remember. And certainly Reidie and
:04:11. > :04:17.Lawro. You are bringing me in now?! Yes,
:04:18. > :04:21.and I probably say it matters even more so.
:04:22. > :04:26.No. No. Not having that! It is weird. That concept of the friendly
:04:27. > :04:33.Derby in the '80s, it was never friendly. I'll tell you a story. You
:04:34. > :04:38.were not playing, I think it was Gillespie and Andy. For 20 minutes,
:04:39. > :04:43.we were running on the ground. Barnsy had joined. He was nicking
:04:44. > :04:48.it, we coat get a kick. After 20 minutes he missed control. I think I
:04:49. > :04:54.know what is coming. I just about caught him. Any how, I hit him.
:04:55. > :05:02.Barnsy, England team-mate on the dirt. I have come over, the punters
:05:03. > :05:13.are up. You big-eared so-and-so, you this, you that, you horrible. I look
:05:14. > :05:18.in the car, I go "uncle Arthur, sit down" He was a red? He was crackers.
:05:19. > :05:24.Honestly. But it was a different generation. But even when I was
:05:25. > :05:26.playing for Everton, two every tonians, they wouldn't go to
:05:27. > :05:31.Anfield. Now, they are doing well. Losing by
:05:32. > :05:35.the odd goal. Could you imagine yourself as a
:05:36. > :05:41.Liverpool supporter? You are asking me to change my religion! This is
:05:42. > :05:45.coming from an Everton perspective but as a neutral, is dislike or the
:05:46. > :05:51.word hate, too strong. I know what it is. I will be honest.
:05:52. > :05:57.I have friends that will try to wind me up, saying that I'm not their
:05:58. > :06:01.Derby. The fact of the matter is, Liverpool and Everton Football Club
:06:02. > :06:06.right now in my opinion are at a very similar level for the first
:06:07. > :06:09.time in a long time. We're trying to achieve the same thing, a top four
:06:10. > :06:15.or top six finish. That's why the game is massive. If
:06:16. > :06:21.Everton win it... They are only three points off.
:06:22. > :06:26.Is it too strong to talk about this rivalry, hatred? No, it's not. There
:06:27. > :06:30.is a respect for both. But when playing it, it does not matter which
:06:31. > :06:35.is at the top or the bottom, you don't think going in, who is at the
:06:36. > :06:43.top or bottom, you just want to win. And they are horrible games to play.
:06:44. > :06:50.Lovely to watch! Tell me your greatest Derby moment, Tony? The
:06:51. > :06:56.fivery rut is probably Andy Johnson scoring the two.
:06:57. > :07:05.No mistake made by Johnson. And Rayner is in all sorts of trouble,
:07:06. > :07:08.allowing Andy Johnson, giving a wonderful afternoon to be an every
:07:09. > :07:12.tonian. That has not happened to me for well
:07:13. > :07:25.over a decade. You are showing your age! I have a dictophone? Really?
:07:26. > :07:31.There was a press conference. We have gone out there, and the fans
:07:32. > :07:37.are on Goodson Road, chanting Andy Johnson. He is trying to give a
:07:38. > :07:41.press conference. And all you can hear is Andy Johnson. David Moyes
:07:42. > :07:48.was loving it. It was a really good display. And
:07:49. > :07:52.the last time I have seen Everton against a real class Liverpool. That
:07:53. > :08:00.is all I'm saying. These two will have different memories. Mine is
:08:01. > :08:05.when we were beaten in the Merseyside cup final.
:08:06. > :08:08.Liverpool have won the double. Back in the old Wembley, the
:08:09. > :08:12.dressing room, we all went to get into the bath. Remember the size of
:08:13. > :08:20.the bath. You had to stand up in the bath. We went to get in the bath and
:08:21. > :08:27.three of our supporters were in there in there suits. Soaking wet.
:08:28. > :08:33.Come, in boys! Not only had they got in the ground, the tunnel, the
:08:34. > :08:41.dressing room but in the bath. My favourite was the goal of the
:08:42. > :08:47.season, Sharpe! There is Sharp. What a fantastic goal.
:08:48. > :08:52.We hadn't won tor 17 year. But he hit this one in, every tonians from
:08:53. > :08:58.Anfield... It was a wonder goal. Offside but it was a wonder goal.
:08:59. > :09:07.Let's bring it back to the present day. Everton's last victory in the
:09:08. > :09:09.dishaway was 2010. But the Toffees have made progress this season under
:09:10. > :09:24.Ronald Koeman. Everton announced Ronald Koeman as
:09:25. > :09:37.their new manager on a three-year deal. I'm the new Everton manager, I
:09:38. > :09:40.play football for winning the game. It's a first victory in the Premier
:09:41. > :09:48.League for Everton under Ronald Koeman.
:09:49. > :09:55.Everton are enjoying the ride under Ronald Koeman. Seven points on their
:09:56. > :09:59.first night. And Romelu Lukaku has a hat-trick
:10:00. > :10:05.and the points are heading back to Merseyside.
:10:06. > :10:13.Oh! Nicely done. Everton's best return from the opening five games
:10:14. > :10:22.in a Premier League season. Stanislav. A corker! Ronald Koeman
:10:23. > :10:27.says he dropped Ross Barkley to the bench against Manchester City to
:10:28. > :10:35.give him a wake-up call. Pedro made it five.
:10:36. > :10:47.A big win for Southampton! We're in the middle of a tricky one. A couple
:10:48. > :10:59.of disappointing results. And it's headed in! Everton can
:11:00. > :11:07.celebrate. A quite dramatic victory. And they've scored. If you're an
:11:08. > :11:13.Everton fan, football days don't get much better than this. Bardley
:11:14. > :11:18.celebrates and scores. Romelu Lukaku with yet another goal! I think
:11:19. > :11:23.Romelu Lukaku is a good place to start, actually. In many ways he is
:11:24. > :11:28.symbolic of where Everton are at the moment. The ability to keep a player
:11:29. > :11:34.like him shows great intent and great ambition for the club. A
:11:35. > :11:38.player who has scored more goals than anyone since Gary Lineker in
:11:39. > :11:42.86. It is important that Everton sorts
:11:43. > :11:47.his future out. He is difficult to replace. A centre forward for four
:11:48. > :11:52.or five seasons in the Premier League. He is improving all the time
:11:53. > :11:58.and he is 23. Your statistics are spot on. 21 goals and Gary Lineker
:11:59. > :12:05.was the last person to do that. They need cleared off. Gary Lineker!
:12:06. > :12:09.I know that they won the league in the following season, it was said
:12:10. > :12:13.that they relied too much on Gary Lineker. By selling him, that they
:12:14. > :12:20.could win the league. But you can't sell a player of that quality and
:12:21. > :12:25.expect to progress for years. But Everton would be the same now.
:12:26. > :12:30.But you can't hold on to a player like that at his age, breaking into
:12:31. > :12:34.the top six or four is tough. With all due respect, he is
:12:35. > :12:39.impossible to replace. Let's be honest, a player of Romelu Lukaku's
:12:40. > :12:46.age is scoring 20-plus league goals a season, he is not looking to join
:12:47. > :12:50.Everton. So if he goes, which every player in the world if you are not
:12:51. > :12:55.playing for Real IRA or Barcelona, there is a place.
:12:56. > :13:00.Are you resigned to losing him? It is not am I, it is win -- Real
:13:01. > :13:05.Madrid. What if you get millions for him and
:13:06. > :13:11.then strengthen the squad? As with Liverpool, they have the weak squad
:13:12. > :13:14.at the top six. So Everton have a lot of signings to make to have a
:13:15. > :13:20.possibility of breaking into the top four. Think it's the only way. With
:13:21. > :13:24.top players, people always bite. So you have to get the recruitment
:13:25. > :13:34.right. He must have a list ready to go. That is if Romelu Lukaku goes.
:13:35. > :13:40.I'm for him staying. Listen, no one man is bigger than the club.
:13:41. > :13:45.I agree. There was experience at Southampton,
:13:46. > :13:50.Ronald Koeman lost a lot of key players. He had to sell them. You
:13:51. > :13:56.get a sense that he is a man with.pigs. And hopefully, Everton
:13:57. > :14:01.benefit from it. A successful Ronald Koeman is a successful Everton.
:14:02. > :14:07.Romelu Lukaku, Everton were in the same position when they sold Wayne
:14:08. > :14:17.Rooney in 2004. Finishing fourth without him. Didn't invest the
:14:18. > :14:22.money, they didn't have it. Spent it eventually but became a better unit.
:14:23. > :14:26.. This they are in top position. But you are going to get the money. The
:14:27. > :14:32.marketplace. Then it is what you do with it. You
:14:33. > :14:37.know how much money they will get. Everton are not a club to sell
:14:38. > :14:42.cheap. You may have the money but can you get the players into a club
:14:43. > :14:45.that is knocking on your door. How do you get Champions League
:14:46. > :14:50.players that aren't in the Champions League? It's a clever buy. It didn't
:14:51. > :14:53.happen for Manchester United but I tell you what, he is a top throw
:14:54. > :14:57.player. Can they attract. We have attracted
:14:58. > :15:04.one there, without a doubt. That is what they must aim for. That quality
:15:05. > :15:09.of football. Allied with trying to get the young ones looked after.
:15:10. > :15:15.And then the excitement around the new stadium, at last. This is it.
:15:16. > :15:17.There have been a few almost moments but the Liverpool Water's
:15:18. > :15:21.development. There have been milestones in the
:15:22. > :15:25.past but this is as close as they have come to getting a new stadium.
:15:26. > :15:31.There is excitement about it. This is part of a bigger project for
:15:32. > :15:33.Liverpool but it means saying goodbye to Goodison. How do you feel
:15:34. > :15:41.about that as a fan? For me it's like saying goodbye to a
:15:42. > :15:46.relative who is about to pass away. The relative may be sick and going
:15:47. > :15:50.onto a better place, but you're going to miss them. You have to come
:15:51. > :15:58.to terms, it's for the best, that's the best way of saying it. I will
:15:59. > :16:02.miss Goodison Park, I've many years there, season tickets... But we're
:16:03. > :16:06.in a different era, in a different game, in a different business. If we
:16:07. > :16:12.get this new stadium, we go to a whole new stratosphere. What we can
:16:13. > :16:16.achieve and do. As much as I love Goodison Park, I played when I was
:16:17. > :16:23.15 there, an iconic stadium. The atmosphere... You can't guarantee
:16:24. > :16:28.anything in football, but I think it will be like a breath of fresh air.
:16:29. > :16:34.And also adds revenue streams. I Goodison you can't make any money on
:16:35. > :16:38.the day, and the match. That would be a massive thing. In a clever way,
:16:39. > :16:42.what Liverpool have done with their newsstand, for me, call me
:16:43. > :16:47.old-fashioned, but I think the best football grounds are the ones among
:16:48. > :16:53.the chimney pots. To be fair, you've done well with our old ground!
:16:54. > :16:56.Couldn't resist it. Liverpool are unbeaten against the
:16:57. > :17:01.rest of the top six in the Premier League this season but has struggled
:17:02. > :17:04.against a lesser likes. Despite their derby dominance Jurgen Klopp's
:17:05. > :17:15.Reds remain a dominant proposition. # See the rivers filled with rain
:17:16. > :17:27.# I wish it could be blue again # Hazy petrol lights... #.
:17:28. > :17:35.Pushes Chambers aside and scores Liverpool's fourth! What a
:17:36. > :17:43.performance from Liverpool! A superb end to a perfect day for Liverpool!
:17:44. > :17:56.What a beauty from Jordan Henderson! And his team have secured a big
:17:57. > :18:02.three points here tonight. Georginio Wijnaldum! Liverpool, six. The smile
:18:03. > :18:09.says it all. Liverpool go to the top of the
:18:10. > :18:15.Premier League. We are good, that's what we know, but we need to be good
:18:16. > :18:27.in all the games. Oh, it's unbelievable. We gave it away.
:18:28. > :18:39.The margin for error decreasing by the week. Llorente! Goodness me.
:18:40. > :18:48.Firmino. And they've got it back to 2-2. Swansea back in front. You
:18:49. > :18:50.can't just turn up and expect because you turn up that you're
:18:51. > :19:00.going to win. Liverpool back on terms. We are
:19:01. > :19:12.still there, we still can play football. Mane. Two in just Rennes
:19:13. > :19:20.minutes. -- in just two minutes. Liverpool three, Arsenal one. And
:19:21. > :19:24.Willie Caballero is Peter mistimed. It's a success to get a point when
:19:25. > :19:28.you play like this. I kind of don't want to but I feel
:19:29. > :19:32.like I have to start with Jurgen Klopp when we talk about Liverpool.
:19:33. > :19:36.I don't know any Liverpool fans who don't love the man. They can't see
:19:37. > :19:41.anything negative about him. I don't know many football fans who don't
:19:42. > :19:48.love Jurgen Klopp. Outside of football. Yes, and when he was
:19:49. > :19:52.appointed, correct me if I'm wrong, even Reidy said, what a good
:19:53. > :19:59.appointment. I do like the way his team plays, I do. The next transfer
:20:00. > :20:03.window is, for me, the crossroads moment for Jurgen Klopp. Depending
:20:04. > :20:07.on where they finish this year, in terms of the Champions League... I
:20:08. > :20:10.still think they finish fourth, which if you do, you attract a
:20:11. > :20:16.different class of players and push on. He'll have done it with the
:20:17. > :20:22.weaker squad out of the top six. But I worry a little bit about the team.
:20:23. > :20:27.They are all nice. There's no Pete Reed, no Graeme Souness. I know it's
:20:28. > :20:31.difficult to get them, but you'd take them all home to meet your mum
:20:32. > :20:34.and I don't want that. I want a little bit of this... They're all
:20:35. > :20:40.nice boys. They are probably tonight. Do those players still
:20:41. > :20:53.exist? The players like you, Reidy? Since Roy Keane left, I haven't seen
:20:54. > :20:57.a player like that. Idrissa Gueye... Not someone that make a challenge on
:20:58. > :21:03.you go... The games are officiated in such a way, is there any point in
:21:04. > :21:07.having too many of those players? I would be happy with one. Liverpool
:21:08. > :21:11.don't have one, to be fair. And I don't think, with all due respect,
:21:12. > :21:14.as another Tony and, I don't think Henderson is that the ideal captain
:21:15. > :21:20.for that club because he doesn't carry them. I watched Steven Gerrard
:21:21. > :21:24.carry that club for over a decade, single-handedly he carried that
:21:25. > :21:30.team. That's what I'm saying... There's nobody else. In terms of the
:21:31. > :21:35.perception of Jurgen Klopp and the reality, you look at the stats very
:21:36. > :21:44.interesting, incredibly similar record to Brendan Rodgers. He has.
:21:45. > :21:47.Statistics. On the pitch, the record looks similar, but the style of
:21:48. > :21:52.football the Brendan Rodgers team played an Jurgen Klopp played are
:21:53. > :21:57.miles apart. He's only been there five minutes, Europa League cup
:21:58. > :22:02.final, cup final, and doing it with that squad... It's pretty light at
:22:03. > :22:07.the moment, not much depth to it. Do you think he's a success? Made
:22:08. > :22:17.progress. Brendan Rodgers got second. Suarez. He was embarrassed,
:22:18. > :22:21.was he? As close as any of the managers have come and yet he is
:22:22. > :22:26.perceived as a failure, in the shadow of Jurgen Klopp. I don't know
:22:27. > :22:32.if he is perceived as a failure. I'd say it's a kick on from what he
:22:33. > :22:35.achieved. Second place, is that an achievement? Yes, Champions League
:22:36. > :22:40.qualification but it fell apart very quickly. The perception is Jurgen
:22:41. > :22:43.Klopp has the team playing in his philosophy, need to add to it now,
:22:44. > :22:48.add to the squad. That's why this summer is pivotal in his career.
:22:49. > :22:52.You ask any Liverpudlian out there and I think 99.99% of them will be
:22:53. > :22:57.absolutely delighted with Jurgen Klopp. What goes on after the summer
:22:58. > :23:07.may alter that fact but for the time being... He fits the show a few
:23:08. > :23:09.weeks ago, Liverpool above every other club need a manager that's
:23:10. > :23:14.more than just a football manager. They have to be a character, almost
:23:15. > :23:18.could do five minutes of stand up if they had to. They have that
:23:19. > :23:22.charisma, personality and effervescence. I think that's
:23:23. > :23:28.probably in the mould of Bill Shankly. You hate comparing people,
:23:29. > :23:34.because Jurgen Klopp is Jurgen Klopp, but there is a bit of Shanks.
:23:35. > :23:41.I met him on numerous occasions, charismatic, I loved him. Do you
:23:42. > :23:46.love Klopp? No. He's all right, like. I always remember when he drew
:23:47. > :23:51.with West Brom ended a lap of honour in front of the Klopp. That will do
:23:52. > :23:56.for me. He's the only Liverpool manager I've ever liked. What he did
:23:57. > :23:59.with that Borussia Dortmund side, and I haven't seen a Liverpool team
:24:00. > :24:04.in all my years of watching football, play with the ferocious
:24:05. > :24:08.pace they play with now. I think they tire out this. Equalled out in
:24:09. > :24:13.January. It will throughout the season, but when they are on it,
:24:14. > :24:16.they are hard to beat. They are a frightening opposition. Being a
:24:17. > :24:22.former player, you look at him and think, I could pray for him. I was
:24:23. > :24:27.going to say that. You don't know say that about many managers.
:24:28. > :24:39.Predictions, Tony? I will happily take the draw I'm sorry. Reidy? 1-0
:24:40. > :24:44.to Everton. 2-0, Liverpool. Liverpool have been outstanding
:24:45. > :24:53.against the top six was even I think it will finish as a draw. Two
:24:54. > :24:56.drawers and two wins. What is your prediction? That's it, that's all we
:24:57. > :25:00.have time for. Gentlemen, I think we could debate this all day but time
:25:01. > :25:05.to wrap things up. Before we go, let's see what else lies in store in
:25:06. > :25:09.the Premier League this weekend. # I get knocked down, but I get up
:25:10. > :25:22.again... #. Sensational goal!
:25:23. > :25:30.# Error-free woman, every man, join a Caravan of Love
:25:31. > :25:34.# Stand up, stand up #. Fantastic strike! And that is
:25:35. > :25:52.brilliant! # I'm still standing... #.
:25:53. > :25:55.Great reactions from Troy Deeney. # Meta- goal on Monday, took her for
:25:56. > :26:17.a drink on Tuesday... #. Olivier Giroud! What a goal.
:26:18. > :26:22.Brilliant. Subplots galore and whilst the guys continue to chew the
:26:23. > :26:26.fat downstairs, that's all from us in Liverpool. Midweek games means
:26:27. > :26:32.there's no show next week, so join us in two weeks' time. We leave you
:26:33. > :26:42.this week with this take on a crazy season so far...
:26:43. > :26:52.I'm a prime MC, before music I had dreams of being a footballer, even
:26:53. > :26:57.Tottenham Hotspur. Now I spit bars for a living.
:26:58. > :27:03.Now I see all these Premier League stars trying to get on this MC thing
:27:04. > :27:07.from Yannick Bolasie to Paul Pogba. After all these years in England...
:27:08. > :27:11.See what you've been missing... It's time I showed a thing or two. First
:27:12. > :27:16.things first, you have to make sure you pick the right beat. Crime is
:27:17. > :27:24.like football, fast paced, very energetic. Let's try one. -- Grime's
:27:25. > :27:30.like football. The next thing is your concept. Today I'm going to
:27:31. > :27:34.spit bars about the Premier League, the managers, the goals, the
:27:35. > :27:41.players. Let's look at this season's highlights. Benik Afobe, nicely
:27:42. > :27:51.done. Theo Walcott! Sensational Arsenal goal.
:27:52. > :27:55.I've written my bars, now it's time to write things down.
:27:56. > :28:32.Harry Kane is a force, Patrick 's # Liverpool the strangest
:28:33. > :28:42.# Everton will be gone next year, you won't remember them
:28:43. > :28:55.# N'Golo Kante, his pedigree # Leicester City won the late last
:28:56. > :28:58.year but sacked their manager that's a wrap, one take.
:28:59. > :29:03.That's my tip for any of you Premier League players who want to be a
:29:04. > :29:06.grime MC. Next time I might even show you some skills!