:00:30. > :00:32.Good afternoon, welcome to Match of the Day 2 Extra on BBC Two
:00:33. > :00:39.Joining me are former England and Arsenal defender Martin Keown.
:00:40. > :00:41.Match of the Day commentator Guy Mowbray.
:00:42. > :00:43.who's the Sunday Times Football Correspondent.
:00:44. > :00:45.Get in touch using the hashtag #bbcfootball on social media
:00:46. > :00:53.Coming up, it's advantage Swansea in the relegation battle
:00:54. > :00:56.after Paul Clement's side beat Everton.
:00:57. > :01:03.While Hull lose at home at relegated Sunderland,
:01:04. > :01:05.We'll look ahead to today's two Premier League games, including
:01:06. > :01:07.Arsenal against Manchester United at 4 o'clock.
:01:08. > :01:10.And also discuss the title race after Tottenham's defeat on Friday
:01:11. > :01:17.night leaves Chelsea needing just two wins to be crowned champions.
:01:18. > :01:25.As far as the newspaper headlines are concerned, the Sun claims Jose
:01:26. > :01:30.Mourinho wants to sign Sergio Aguero. The Mirror claims Manchester
:01:31. > :01:40.City wants to sign Alex Sandro. The Telegraph claims Bayern Munich want
:01:41. > :01:46.to sign Alexis Sanchez. Let's ignore all of them and we will just tell
:01:47. > :01:52.you that the final day of the Championship season, so much
:01:53. > :01:58.attention on the bottom. Three clubs could be relegated today. Nottingham
:01:59. > :02:05.Forest, BlackBerry or city. 15 minutes gone in their game at
:02:06. > :02:09.Brentford. Blackburn are 2-0 up so if all the results are to stay as
:02:10. > :02:14.they are, Nottingham Forest and Birmingham are drawing at the
:02:15. > :02:17.moment. Birmingham are taking on Bristol City. As things stand,
:02:18. > :02:25.Nottingham Forest are going down to League 1. We will keep you across
:02:26. > :02:28.all of those in the next 45 minutes. Let's start with a medication battle
:02:29. > :02:37.in the Premier League. Swansea one point. Hull. You were at the Liberty
:02:38. > :02:41.Stadium fall somewhat impressed you most about Swansea? I like the way
:02:42. > :02:46.they dealt with the occasion. There were such intensity going into that
:02:47. > :02:51.game. It was palpable from the fans. It was almost like the Crucible, at
:02:52. > :02:57.times. Ibis particularly impressed with the backs. Britain sits in
:02:58. > :03:04.there. He is a player who understands the game well. He can
:03:05. > :03:11.handle experience. Leroy came on full survey had good energy.
:03:12. > :03:19.Llorente at the top of the game. Lukaku, lazy on the day. They
:03:20. > :03:26.weren't in the right mode at all. Lukaku not moving into the ball.
:03:27. > :03:33.Llorente, that platform, he got the vital goal. A really good
:03:34. > :03:40.performance. Let me come onto the Leon Brittan part. He appears to
:03:41. > :03:42.have given this current Swansea squad, early on we were talking
:03:43. > :03:49.about they could have lost some of their identity. Taylor went in the
:03:50. > :03:53.January transfer window. The stories is his handle every DVD to the
:03:54. > :04:02.players, the documentary, he's reported to be behind the players.
:04:03. > :04:05.How important is he? Every clubs to have someone like that around.
:04:06. > :04:11.They've got to have an identity of way back. They have had a few
:04:12. > :04:19.results. He wasn't in the team in the early stages. It goes back to
:04:20. > :04:24.the argument Antonio Conte had about teams kicking off at different
:04:25. > :04:26.times. I was at Hull yesterday. The mood there was entirely different.
:04:27. > :04:31.The lift Swansea would have had before kick-off, I think it was
:04:32. > :04:38.almost worth a late start. That is just lack of the draw. It is swings
:04:39. > :04:47.and roundabouts. -- lack of the draw. -- luck of the draw. But,
:04:48. > :04:53.yesterday, it was a big factor in her Swansea took to the task. A
:04:54. > :04:58.dreadful first 15 minutes if you are Nottingham Forest fan. Birmingham
:04:59. > :05:05.winning. Nottingham Forest now two points adrift of Blackburn. Four
:05:06. > :05:14.adrift of Nottingham Forest. I thought the big contrast was weird
:05:15. > :05:21.Hull's Crystal Palace game. They are in big trouble. The basics at set
:05:22. > :05:26.pieces, you saw her focused and concentrated Swansea were. In
:05:27. > :05:33.contrast to all of that. They've had their bad spell and come through it.
:05:34. > :05:40.May be just the right time. You were at home. Yesterday. If you were to
:05:41. > :05:48.flip it the other way, and we will play first, we could really put the
:05:49. > :05:52.pressure on Swansea. The tension got to the players yesterday. You could
:05:53. > :05:56.feel it. You could detect it in the body language of the managers. When
:05:57. > :06:02.Chelsea lost to Manchester United a few weeks ago, everybody thought
:06:03. > :06:06.Antonio Conte wasn't himself. You could see that with Marco Silva
:06:07. > :06:12.yesterday. A lot more demonstrative. He stood on the touchline isolated.
:06:13. > :06:19.David Moyes, by contrast, was really relaxed. He was chatting to people.
:06:20. > :06:25.It's a hard thing to describe to explain to people. When you're
:06:26. > :06:30.relegated you are paralysed with fear force of the ball comes into
:06:31. > :06:35.the box, you hope somebody else will take responsibility. You don't do
:06:36. > :06:42.it, they don't do it. You have to almost step above it and say, right,
:06:43. > :06:48.I can make it happen today. I can't accept disaster. It's not going to
:06:49. > :06:52.happen. It's such a long gap. It consumes youthful spits how you
:06:53. > :06:58.handle the pressure. Swansea got that right. The odd thing with Hull
:06:59. > :07:04.is you talk about grabbing it by the scruff of the neck. Their previous
:07:05. > :07:10.home game with their backs against the wall with Watford and they were
:07:11. > :07:18.reduced to ten men... That's it. Everybody in the world. Hull
:07:19. > :07:23.Woodwind comfortable you. Swansea have hunted them down yesterday.
:07:24. > :07:29.They are in pole position. Now Crystal Palace play Hull. That game
:07:30. > :07:35.is absolutely massive. What were you going to say about the Swansea
:07:36. > :07:41.manager? I don't have the luxury of talking to him. You saw the pressure
:07:42. > :07:45.lift off him. You see the pressure these guys are under. He was taking
:07:46. > :07:51.on-board oxygen, looking around, couldn't believe it himself. It was
:07:52. > :07:59.too good to be true. He puffed out at the end. He did get it right. In
:08:00. > :08:05.a way the others didn't. Sam Allardyce was saying yesterday that
:08:06. > :08:14.what Crystal Palace have now got to do is remember the absolute basics.
:08:15. > :08:20.Where Martin Kelly was saying they didn't prepare long enough,... I'd
:08:21. > :08:27.tell you what, before I've read at Martin Kelly's quotes, before we do
:08:28. > :08:33.that, let's hear from Sam Allardyce what he thought of their 5-0 defeat.
:08:34. > :08:39.The lads really didn't apply themselves correctly, making sure
:08:40. > :08:43.they kept it tight. They felt they had to try and get forward and try
:08:44. > :08:50.to get a goal and leave more space is. They did thoroughly in the end.
:08:51. > :08:55.We can't complain about the score. The tactical thing he did yesterday
:08:56. > :09:02.was he didn't actually have a recognised centre-half. The thinking
:09:03. > :09:11.pre-match, what he said, Martin, city are quick and nimble and small
:09:12. > :09:20.and don't have somebody like some votes -- Sam Vogts. Does that sound
:09:21. > :09:27.sensible in theory? Yes but my put my football players have torn which
:09:28. > :09:31.was a very long time ago. I want to be prepared. I want information. I
:09:32. > :09:37.want certainty. I will give you that. I know the roles of people
:09:38. > :09:41.around me so don't send me into the biggest game of my career half an
:09:42. > :09:47.afternoon working on something we've never worked on before. I would have
:09:48. > :09:54.to argue with Kelly's clearance. He does not deliver the ball well.
:09:55. > :10:05.Kelly said afterwards, I don't think we've worked on the formation enough
:10:06. > :10:08.to be honest. When you do practice things on the training pitch, you
:10:09. > :10:14.create pictures for people and put them into situations they will come
:10:15. > :10:17.into on match day, so he's in a centre position instead of a
:10:18. > :10:24.fallback position. I see it both ways. Antonio Conte has done it
:10:25. > :10:31.better than anybody else. Everybody wants to do it. Pep Guardiola is a
:10:32. > :10:35.manager who would exploit you. If you don't know the system well
:10:36. > :10:38.enough, he's rolling sleeves up and taking part, he goes wide with his
:10:39. > :10:43.wide players, punish you and that's what they did yesterday. Sam talked
:10:44. > :10:49.about individual mistakes and that's what they do when they tried to
:10:50. > :10:55.excuse their own managerial performance. I would say this is a
:10:56. > :11:03.pattern. Where Martin Kelly did not play well, at centre-back, he
:11:04. > :11:07.thought winning the title with Leicester was the most surprising
:11:08. > :11:13.thing that happened. I think his pace was the thinking there. He's 1
:11:14. > :11:22.million miles away from being a centre-back. When a manager comes
:11:23. > :11:29.out and says that, you've got to be together. You still lose, whoever
:11:30. > :11:33.you blame, you get together and sort it out. The players are saying this,
:11:34. > :11:39.and Sam should listen. We need to do more work on this. All the focus has
:11:40. > :11:43.been on Crystal Palace because it was their result but city were
:11:44. > :11:47.terrific. When they turn it on like that there aren't many teams who can
:11:48. > :11:53.live with them, quite frankly. They were on their A-game yesterday. They
:11:54. > :11:58.were bang on it yesterday. To give city their credit, they were back to
:11:59. > :12:08.a formation that worked for them earlier on in the season. In
:12:09. > :12:15.particular, with the two attackers. However you want to describe it. I
:12:16. > :12:19.don't think he was as dynamic as last season. I don't think he
:12:20. > :12:28.contributed like you did last season. The other interesting thing
:12:29. > :12:35.for me, the choice of right back, you have all of them on the bench. I
:12:36. > :12:38.think they could be signing a right back next season. That raised
:12:39. > :12:44.eyebrows. I can't second-guess it. You can't underestimate his great
:12:45. > :12:49.finish. Great to see him back again. Overcoming injuries because of the
:12:50. > :12:54.terrible to see. He didn't know he was going to get injured next season
:12:55. > :12:58.and that's laying down a marker. We talk about pragmatic managers and
:12:59. > :13:05.his very artistic manager, Pep Guardiola. It's taken them a lot of
:13:06. > :13:09.time, longer than he is imagined. He knows how tough it is in the Premier
:13:10. > :13:14.League. Next year he will say this is what we need to do. The way he
:13:15. > :13:19.celebrated son of the crowd, his whole motion with it, I think he was
:13:20. > :13:24.a bit cold, scientific early on but he's at home now and has got his
:13:25. > :13:30.place. And the forward line was so good. Young players up front, so
:13:31. > :13:34.quick, so good together. When you look at the stories of Sergio Aguero
:13:35. > :13:40.today, you wonder whether he will look in the middle of that three and
:13:41. > :13:48.keep him there. There is maybe a door opening for other clubs. That's
:13:49. > :13:57.an interesting decision. It is the Sun newspaper and the Sunday Times
:13:58. > :14:03.who say United or Jose Mourinho want Sergio Aguero. Do you believe it? Do
:14:04. > :14:10.you envisage any way that could happen? I believe they want him and
:14:11. > :14:13.they don't think it could happen. Jose Mourinho was quite happy with
:14:14. > :14:21.it at this that he wants him because he can't lose. Exposes the
:14:22. > :14:31.situation. The Sunday Times article also said Joe Hart. It's almost like
:14:32. > :14:36.he's mischievously going after them. Guy probably knows what his stats
:14:37. > :14:45.are. They are not bad. I just feel he's been working. The strikers he
:14:46. > :14:49.has had at Bayern Munich, he wants more from Sergio Aguero and is not
:14:50. > :14:55.satisfied. Is on trial there. He's more of a Jose Mourinho striker. Are
:14:56. > :15:00.you saying you have a doubt about Sergio Aguero? The manager
:15:01. > :15:05.definitely once more from him. He's not happy with their return. He
:15:06. > :15:11.wants someone who can punish teams more, a marksman in front of goal.
:15:12. > :15:15.It's the big teams, is absolutely brilliant against them. There's no
:15:16. > :15:19.difference between this record against top than the rest and Man
:15:20. > :15:29.City want to win the league, the Champions League, that's invaluable.
:15:30. > :15:34.It's not the only thing. Apart from Messi Andrew Nadeau, there cannot be
:15:35. > :15:39.many with a better record. He has a high percentage and he does need the
:15:40. > :15:46.chances. There was an article for the Daily Mail and I was astounded
:15:47. > :15:53.that the number of chances he needs to score a goal... Like Zlatan
:15:54. > :15:58.Ibrahimovic. This message says, when will Crystal Palace get a decent
:15:59. > :16:02.defenders? It was crazy. One final thing is on the relegation battle,
:16:03. > :16:08.Palace at home to Hull City and Swansea go to Sunderland. Would you
:16:09. > :16:13.care to predict? Don't you raise your eyebrows at me! I cannot do
:16:14. > :16:18.predictions, you have no idea. I would say in the greatest danger,
:16:19. > :16:27.Hull, but I would not put it past them to go and win at Palace. The
:16:28. > :16:32.Palace at home, Middlesbrough and Sunderland have won fewer games at
:16:33. > :16:37.home and Palace had been beaten at home I3 macro and Sunderland and
:16:38. > :16:44.Swansea. If they lose that game, I think they will go down. It is a
:16:45. > :16:48.dangerous situation. We're talking about Tottenham, Hull at home to
:16:49. > :16:56.Tottenham, that is second, that is boxed. The Palace home record... I
:16:57. > :17:03.think Palace it will be fine. That game is huge. I was at the Burnley
:17:04. > :17:08.and Palace gained recently at Selhurst Park and I could not
:17:09. > :17:12.believe how Paul Palace were on the day, Burnley were magnificent and
:17:13. > :17:16.they worked hard. It goes back to the expectation of the home game,
:17:17. > :17:22.with teams around you in a relegation battle and three times
:17:23. > :17:27.Swansea and Burnley and Sunderland have gone up. Swansea are the
:17:28. > :17:34.underdogs, which suits them. We don't know! In the Championship,
:17:35. > :17:40.Blackburn two, Brentford zero. Birmingham City are winning at
:17:41. > :17:45.Bristol City by 1-0 and goalless between Nottingham Forest and
:17:46. > :17:51.Ipswich. So that means Nottingham Forest are going down. Blackburn and
:17:52. > :17:56.Birmingham would be safe. There is an early goal in the Scottish
:17:57. > :18:05.Premiership. Partick Thistle against Rangers. Partick Thistle leading by
:18:06. > :18:14.1-0. Fantastic news! Who's good at? Do one. He has good four goals now.
:18:15. > :18:24.-- he has scored. He would think you would be such an expert? Nobody
:18:25. > :18:29.knows that back home! This is worrying for Forest fans, which is
:18:30. > :18:33.an understatement. Deeply worrying, the club could be taken over by new
:18:34. > :18:39.ownership, to go down to League One is so difficult to get out of. What
:18:40. > :18:43.a situation! Such a great club, Nottingham Forest, I was brought up
:18:44. > :18:47.watching them play and how they managed to win two European cups.
:18:48. > :18:52.Brian Clough, everything he did for that club. You go into the boardroom
:18:53. > :18:57.and receive trophies, it is remarkable, to see the demise of a
:18:58. > :19:01.club. The same argument for Blackburn and for Birmingham City,
:19:02. > :19:04.you could have. All three of them, they are huge clubs and to go down
:19:05. > :19:09.to the third tier, something has gone badly wrong everywhere. Back to
:19:10. > :19:10.the Premier League. The Premier League's lunchtime
:19:11. > :19:13.kick-off sees Liverpool, Steve Wilson's at Anfield
:19:14. > :19:23.for Match of the Day 2. Thank you at Anfield, the Anfield
:19:24. > :19:27.Road stand behind me which this week Liverpool have reaffirmed their
:19:28. > :19:31.intention to develop, it would take capacity to over 60,000, but today
:19:32. > :19:35.we are talking about Liverpool and Southampton with Jason McAteer.
:19:36. > :19:38.Results have fallen for Liverpool last weekend, back in our hands
:19:39. > :19:45.again, will they kick on and get in the top four? I do not think they
:19:46. > :19:47.will let it slip today against Southampton, they came unstuck
:19:48. > :19:52.against Southampton in the League Cup. They will get its done today,
:19:53. > :19:57.the results last week but pressure on them going to Watford with great
:19:58. > :20:01.performance, real resilience, they got in front and they held out which
:20:02. > :20:04.we have seen Liverpool not to do this season. They have got the
:20:05. > :20:10.opportunity in our hands. I think they will hold onto it and get over
:20:11. > :20:14.the line. Playing first, Manchester United and Arsenal will play later,
:20:15. > :20:18.that is a great incentive for Liverpool to get three points and I
:20:19. > :20:22.think they can get it done. It is strange Liverpool have been wasteful
:20:23. > :20:26.with points at Anfield. They put in strong performances away from home
:20:27. > :20:31.but they have dropped points against teams you wouldn't expect them to
:20:32. > :20:33.drop points to. Yes, you would talk about the Crystal Palace
:20:34. > :20:39.performance, they got in front and it looks great because I do think
:20:40. > :20:44.they came up here for a point and based -- and they made it difficult
:20:45. > :20:48.to break them down. You got the free kick from Philippe Coutinho and you
:20:49. > :20:54.felt the impetus was to score more but they got done with two bad
:20:55. > :20:57.pieces of defending, 2-1. A bit of complacency slipped into their
:20:58. > :21:02.performance that day and the nerves were jangling. And they lost the
:21:03. > :21:07.game. The questions remain about the character and can they do it? I
:21:08. > :21:10.think the performers away to Watford surprised critics and shut people
:21:11. > :21:16.up. Given the opportunity to go on and get the result today, that would
:21:17. > :21:19.secure a top four finish. Southampton have played Liverpool
:21:20. > :21:24.three times this season and have not conceded a goal against Liverpool.
:21:25. > :21:28.If Liverpool did not finish top four, Kloop is very popular and
:21:29. > :21:33.charismatic, but if they miss out, how do we assess the season? I think
:21:34. > :21:37.it would be a failure. We talk about the first half of the season being
:21:38. > :21:44.fantastic and up yet's day when we beat Manchester City. And it was
:21:45. > :21:47.fantastic and we got carried away winning the league. A realistic
:21:48. > :21:54.approach after those disastrous ten games brought us back down to Earth
:21:55. > :21:59.and really levelled out the season. A top four finish is on the cards
:22:00. > :22:03.and we need to finish there, as progression for a club, you want to
:22:04. > :22:06.be attracting different players. The ground, it is the redevelopment, it
:22:07. > :22:11.is geared up for Champions League football and being one of those top
:22:12. > :22:15.four. It is pivotal we finish in the top four and anything other than
:22:16. > :22:21.that would be a disaster. It was a learning curve for Klopp, going out
:22:22. > :22:25.of the FA Cup was a disaster and he will approach that differently next
:22:26. > :22:30.season. We were unfortunate against Southampton that we missed out. It
:22:31. > :22:33.would be a disaster to not get the top four finish. Liverpool against
:22:34. > :22:34.Southampton in the sunshine today. 5 live's Ian Brown can
:22:35. > :22:42.bring us the team news. If Liverpool win our last three
:22:43. > :22:46.games, they will be in the Champions League next season for definite but
:22:47. > :22:50.they need to sort out their stuttering home form against
:22:51. > :22:55.Southampton today, who have won here in the League Cup and after
:22:56. > :23:00.yesterday, they are officially safe from the drop. Liverpool are
:23:01. > :23:05.unchanged from their win over Watford, so the dream is fit after
:23:06. > :23:11.overcoming his dead leg. Adam Alana is on the bench. Southampton make
:23:12. > :23:13.one change from the draw with Hull City. Ward-Prowse replacing Jason
:23:14. > :23:16.Redmond. Thank you very much. Jonathan, you've interviewed
:23:17. > :23:28.Emre Can this week. After a spectacular goal on Monday
:23:29. > :23:30.night. He has been imported for Liverpool but I have felt
:23:31. > :23:38.frustration at times from the crowd with him. He does divide opinion a
:23:39. > :23:42.bit with some firmly in his camp. There is an element that think he
:23:43. > :23:46.could do more. He said to me, I am only 23 and people don't realise
:23:47. > :23:50.that. Because he has moved around in his career and he looks physically
:23:51. > :23:54.mature, but he is still a young player. I was impressed with his
:23:55. > :24:00.mentality and he has a contract situation he is not focused on. And
:24:01. > :24:03.he was talking about the positivity that Liverpool will try and keep
:24:04. > :24:08.even though they are under pressure to get the top four Place. He
:24:09. > :24:11.sounded carefree and like Liverpool will take that into the game today
:24:12. > :24:17.and forget that record against the smaller teams. It is like a Stephen
:24:18. > :24:22.Gerrard moment when the player picks up the emotion and he plays with
:24:23. > :24:26.inspiration, Watford making it difficult and a piece of brilliance,
:24:27. > :24:31.scoring an unbelievable goal. He is growing into a man I did not know,
:24:32. > :24:36.and did not know he was 23, he is finding them the right position, but
:24:37. > :24:41.he is not going to be in the first 11 will stock is certainly a good
:24:42. > :24:46.position that player and international player and he has come
:24:47. > :24:51.forward when his club needs him. Position is key, he has played
:24:52. > :24:58.full-back for Germany and at buy in Munich, Pep Guardiola thought he was
:24:59. > :25:02.in a different position. He appreciates Klopp has put him in an
:25:03. > :25:06.attacking midfield position and that is where he is best. You do not
:25:07. > :25:11.practised overhead kicks but they have practised that run all week so
:25:12. > :25:14.in a bit of help from the manager. As Steve Wilson said, Liverpool have
:25:15. > :25:19.problems with Selt Southampton this season and I was at the League Cup
:25:20. > :25:24.semifinal and Southampton were very impressive. Yes, but this is a
:25:25. > :25:27.different time of the season and Southampton will have to not have
:25:28. > :25:31.that approach Martin but Everton had at Swansea yesterday,, not on
:25:32. > :25:37.holidays yet. This is a bit different. We were talking about
:25:38. > :25:40.pressure and expectation getting to players and I do not think that will
:25:41. > :25:46.affect Liverpool today. That club and squad, I do not think they have
:25:47. > :25:51.that mentality in this sort of game. I think they will win this album --
:25:52. > :25:55.this afternoon. They need to be careful with Manolo Gabbiadini at
:25:56. > :25:58.the top of this team. Talking about creating chances for that player to
:25:59. > :26:04.score and they will turn up today. He came on with a burst and he has
:26:05. > :26:09.not scored since. The two look at central defenders look suspect and
:26:10. > :26:12.Gabbiadini's movement on the ball is as good as anybody. There was a
:26:13. > :26:19.strange movement at the end of which that Watford game at it and the ball
:26:20. > :26:23.was being crossed on the counterattack into Matip which was
:26:24. > :26:28.crazy. Klopp is brilliant but it does have its drawbacks and that is
:26:29. > :26:34.what we are talking about. But do you agree that that pressure will
:26:35. > :26:39.not be a problem? I think they will play the same, for better or worse.
:26:40. > :26:42.There is no pressure on them with 69 points, they will make it into the
:26:43. > :26:49.Champions League and it is a case of getting the job done. You were
:26:50. > :26:53.talking about the age of Emre Can at 23, George Honeyman is 22 and it is
:26:54. > :26:57.only his second Premier League start. For the first half of the
:26:58. > :27:01.game, he was the best player on the field and David Morris said he
:27:02. > :27:06.thinks players get put into early. The reason he played so well was, he
:27:07. > :27:12.said, because he has been able to ritual and he has grown and this is
:27:13. > :27:18.the right time. Everyone is saying it Young Player of the Year, Michael
:27:19. > :27:23.Keane, he is 24, what is a younger age for a player now? It depends on
:27:24. > :27:30.the individual. A 22-year-old, but we do not think of Emre Can as
:27:31. > :27:34.young. We do not need to rush young players. But last night, we were
:27:35. > :27:40.praising beat anniversary of Michael Owen bursting onto the scene as a
:27:41. > :27:47.17-year-old. And on the subtitles, it said, I am a light loan. But on
:27:48. > :27:54.the subtitles watching Match of the Day! Let's go to the Emirates.
:27:55. > :27:56.At 4 o'clock, on 5 Live, it's commentary on Arsenal
:27:57. > :28:05.Is this one of the most low-key Arsenal and Manchester United games
:28:06. > :28:10.you can remember in a long time? Yes, it certainly is, you go back to
:28:11. > :28:13.1978 and 1979 when both teams finished outside the top four and it
:28:14. > :28:20.has been a long while since they have had their guts and
:28:21. > :28:23.determination of in Martin Keown Arsenal defender against Manchester
:28:24. > :28:28.United and it is a strange affair. Jose Mourinho will rest players for
:28:29. > :28:34.this. A lot has been made of the fact he will play in reserve team.
:28:35. > :28:39.He will bring Genk de Gea, Smalling, Marshall, Rooney. But I do think
:28:40. > :28:45.there will be youngsters on the bench like 35 macro, but still a
:28:46. > :28:51.strong but United sides today. The intensity of the old clashes to win
:28:52. > :28:58.a week, they are long gone. And on the evidence of this season, it will
:28:59. > :29:01.be a while before they reappear. Because of their involvement in the
:29:02. > :29:08.Europa league, is it more of a must win for United Guest, he has made it
:29:09. > :29:10.clear that is his priority, Mourinho, winning back the Europa
:29:11. > :29:17.League and getting into the Champions League through that route.
:29:18. > :29:22.He might set a model for that. It is make or break for Arsenal and they
:29:23. > :29:24.need to give this to slip up. On the evidence of 2017, they do not
:29:25. > :29:30.deserve to be in the Champions League. This group of players have
:29:31. > :29:34.gone as far as they can under Arsene Wenger is said he had probably got
:29:35. > :29:40.it wrong when he announced earlier this calendar year he would make an
:29:41. > :29:44.announcement in March, April, we have made that and still no
:29:45. > :29:49.announcement has been made and that lack of clarity has affected Arsenal
:29:50. > :29:51.and I think he would have players back today. Holdings could come into
:29:52. > :29:56.the right side of the centre-back and I would be surprised if Danny
:29:57. > :30:01.Welbeck did not come back and there is speculation about Shkodran
:30:02. > :30:06.Mustafi, he might be on the bench. This is vital for Arsenal, they need
:30:07. > :30:09.that clarity and they need to know where Sanchez will be. They do not
:30:10. > :30:13.think he will be here, it would not be surprised if he went to Bayern
:30:14. > :30:20.Munich and Ithaca Olivier Giroud moves on and if the two does not get
:30:21. > :30:24.any contract. This stadium needs those old Manchester United and
:30:25. > :30:32.Arsenal title winning at the matches back.
:30:33. > :30:38.Thank you, Jonathan. Birmingham and Nottingham Forest and Blackburn are
:30:39. > :30:42.all winning and that means that Blackburn would be relegated which
:30:43. > :30:46.come on their first-half performance would be very harsh, but even though
:30:47. > :30:49.they are winning at Brentford, because Forest in Birmingham are
:30:50. > :30:57.winning, they are back in the bottom three. Jonathan North Croft, if he
:30:58. > :31:01.does play a weakened side here, Jose Mourinho, whilst taking Jonathan's
:31:02. > :31:07.point there's a lot of international talent he can bring in, United
:31:08. > :31:14.aren't in the final yet, is it little dangerous? Playing a weakened
:31:15. > :31:21.side? Putting all your eggs in one basket. I think it's common sense
:31:22. > :31:29.that hard added maybe, when you look at United's position, I think it
:31:30. > :31:33.said Jose Mourinho up for one of his classic performances he has wheeled
:31:34. > :31:36.out against Arsenal quite a lot. I think it will be a fairly grim
:31:37. > :31:42.Manchester United today. Is made his excuse. He's got youngsters and half
:31:43. > :31:49.the team and he will try to nick a 1-0. Are you excited about this
:31:50. > :31:55.game? Not quite as we were. It would have been first and second. I'm
:31:56. > :32:02.interested to know what side Manchester United play. Marcus
:32:03. > :32:08.Rashford has been outstanding. We know Ibrahimovic is injured. I would
:32:09. > :32:17.like to see Danny Welbeck coming in. I'm interested in Ozil and will you
:32:18. > :32:24.work hard today? I know he's talked about his body language, but he's
:32:25. > :32:28.not running, not covering distance, he does not look like he's really
:32:29. > :32:33.there. I think he's demonstrating this is what your going to get from
:32:34. > :32:38.me if you're going to keep me so you may as well get rid of me. If you
:32:39. > :32:43.had a family with two children who overindulged, it's like that with
:32:44. > :32:46.Ozil and Sanchez and they have acted like children and it's become
:32:47. > :32:52.embarrassing. I don't think you can put two players above all else, is
:32:53. > :32:55.much as they are great talents. It affects the rest of the group and
:32:56. > :32:59.they would like to see a reaction from the other players. I think they
:33:00. > :33:01.have been too nice, too accommodating, and today that has to
:33:02. > :33:05.change because there's an outside chance in the Champions League. I
:33:06. > :33:09.don't think it will happen. There was an FA Cup in the distance, but
:33:10. > :33:13.they have got to turn it around and while Ozil is there, he needs to
:33:14. > :33:16.perform until the end of the season because, at the moment, I don't
:33:17. > :33:22.believe he's giving everything to the team. A weakened team, lack of
:33:23. > :33:29.intensity. Daniel Taylor in the Observer newspaper says this morning
:33:30. > :33:33.Jose Mourinho isn't really seeing Arsene Wenger as a threat any more.
:33:34. > :33:37.He has not mellowed his relationship with him but there are bigger
:33:38. > :33:40.battles to pick with other managers. I think that's absolutely spot-on
:33:41. > :33:48.although I think we make far too much because we enjoy it, of these
:33:49. > :33:51.managerial feuds. Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho are OK now, there's
:33:52. > :33:56.nothing going on there particularly. That of a problem that goes back a
:33:57. > :34:00.long time but it's mellowed because Arsene Wenger isn't a threat. On
:34:01. > :34:07.team selection, United will be as strong as you like today. I don't
:34:08. > :34:12.think that will be an issue. These guys are incredible winners of
:34:13. > :34:16.trophies. It is right the relationship is improving. If
:34:17. > :34:19.Richard Bevan has not been on the both of them to change their
:34:20. > :34:23.behaviour, they set an example to all the managers about how to
:34:24. > :34:28.behave. They are behaved very well to do it. It's difficult, emotional,
:34:29. > :34:33.but you have to show class. I think it started with Jose Mourinho having
:34:34. > :34:39.a pop eyed Arsene Wenger for many years. I think there's one manager
:34:40. > :34:46.that Jose Mourinho has a pop at this year and that's Antonio Conte. It's
:34:47. > :34:53.the only time he's done it. It tells you he sees as a threat at the
:34:54. > :34:57.moment. He's won the League Cup, Manchester United not interested in
:34:58. > :35:01.it, but they are operating above that level most of the time, and if
:35:02. > :35:05.they win the Europa League as well and the Champions League, it has to
:35:06. > :35:07.be an unqualified success of a season like you wouldn't have
:35:08. > :35:12.believed at the start of the campaign in his first year. They
:35:13. > :35:18.wouldn't be in the top ten in terms of entertainment, but Manager of the
:35:19. > :35:22.Year, Antonio Conte will get it. I think we all know he's doing a good
:35:23. > :35:30.job. I don't think it is stated in a. He's not an also-ran but his
:35:31. > :35:33.understanding how other managers feel when they don't win games. He
:35:34. > :35:38.maybe understands Arsene Wenger more. If he stopped going on about
:35:39. > :35:44.two games a week, something has gone wrong. You should be playing twice a
:35:45. > :35:49.week. If you stop for that, he would get more praise for what is doing.
:35:50. > :35:54.The whole club, as all of the top clubs, are geared up, surely, to
:35:55. > :36:00.playing twice a week and being in finals and European competitions.
:36:01. > :36:06.It's a bit tiring now, isn't it? He has done well but it reminds me of
:36:07. > :36:09.Liverpool 's plastic season. They are geared to challenge for the
:36:10. > :36:14.title and the Champions League and it's good what he has done but this
:36:15. > :36:25.is what Manchester United's real agenda is. It's a stepping stone to
:36:26. > :36:29.other trophies in the future. They're things he wants to win. It's
:36:30. > :36:35.not his fault he is in the Europa League. He's had a lot of injuries,
:36:36. > :36:43.also. One after another. Serious injuries, as well. Why'd you think
:36:44. > :36:47.United should sign Jermain Defoe? We were talking about Sergio Aguero and
:36:48. > :36:50.finishing chances and the story of United's season in the Premier
:36:51. > :36:56.League has been ten goals at home, failing to put away small teams, and
:36:57. > :37:00.I'm not saying Jermain Defoe would be a starting player, but if you
:37:01. > :37:07.think about Ferguson using him, and Henrik Larsson, an experienced
:37:08. > :37:12.player, it's a job United need to do against small teams. I can't think
:37:13. > :37:16.of anyone better to have somebody to play 15 games a season than Jermain
:37:17. > :37:21.Defoe. The half-time whistle has gone in the Championship games. 12
:37:22. > :37:25.o'clock kick-offs. Three side threatened with relegation at the
:37:26. > :37:32.start of the day. They are all winning for the Birmingham City,
:37:33. > :37:38.Nottingham Forest and lack burn took a 2-0 early lead at Brentford --
:37:39. > :37:45.Blackburn. As things stand, they are being relegated and Nottingham
:37:46. > :37:49.Forest and Birmingham would be safe. Newcastle are winning as well, by
:37:50. > :37:53.the way. They are 1-0 against Barnsley and that would mean, as
:37:54. > :37:59.things stand, Newcastle would be the Championship champions. Lets just
:38:00. > :38:03.touch on the Friday night games. Spurs losing at West Ham which means
:38:04. > :38:07.Chelsea, if they win their next two games tomorrow night and on Friday
:38:08. > :38:12.night, at West Bromwich, they will be the champions. Is the best way to
:38:13. > :38:17.look at this that Spurs have done well to make it last until now?
:38:18. > :38:22.They've won nine games on the bounce. They'd been quite brilliant
:38:23. > :38:27.but just not enough. They are improving, getting better, but it's
:38:28. > :38:30.one of those we talked earlier about the bottom end of the table need him
:38:31. > :38:37.to make sure nothing else matters in your life but being a champion.
:38:38. > :38:41.That's how it has to be. It takes me back to these battles with
:38:42. > :38:44.Manchester United. It's almost like an imaginary tug-of-war and no
:38:45. > :38:47.Chelsea have that rope, they can feel it coming their way and it will
:38:48. > :38:51.be an easy finish for them but, while you're in there, you think
:38:52. > :38:57.it's never going to end and you have got to give it everything you can.
:38:58. > :39:02.It's suddenly gone for Tottenham but they got to hang onto the players
:39:03. > :39:07.that got them where they are. I think they need a winner in the camp
:39:08. > :39:12.and need to go and buy somebody, big-name, someone who can say, we
:39:13. > :39:16.can keep doing it, trust me, one more game, Chelsea will break next
:39:17. > :39:19.time. They need that type of player, someone they can turn to in the
:39:20. > :39:23.group who's been a serial winner of trophies. There's no real winners in
:39:24. > :39:27.there who's got experience and I think that lets them down at vital
:39:28. > :39:32.times. I think we can discount as little notion they may have bottled
:39:33. > :39:37.it. That's nonsense. They are better than last season. The two big
:39:38. > :39:41.signings in the summer didn't work. But they are still better than they
:39:42. > :39:45.were. My worry for Tottenham is was this their best shot at it because
:39:46. > :39:49.Wembley next season, you never know, it might work for them. They may
:39:50. > :39:55.have overcome their demons but I'm not sure. I think it could be a
:39:56. > :40:00.drop-off. They don't like the bigger picture. London stadiums seem to
:40:01. > :40:04.be... Ericsson surprised me the most. He was very wasteful and
:40:05. > :40:09.heeded this last season. They were brilliant until now. You've got to
:40:10. > :40:13.hang in there for some even when things are going badly. They could
:40:14. > :40:17.have won that game against West Ham but it's fallen away. There was an
:40:18. > :40:20.outside chance, but they shouldn't be down on what they have done for
:40:21. > :40:27.that they need to do something better next season. Rather than do
:40:28. > :40:31.the age old who can they keep hold of this summer and who might they
:40:32. > :40:39.lose? Flip it around, and look at how they strengthen this summer? The
:40:40. > :40:44.club all around them are likely to spend more money than Spurs, and
:40:45. > :40:50.they've got to think about moving into the new ground. That's a
:40:51. > :40:55.financial concern as well. Last summer didn't necessarily work and
:40:56. > :41:01.it's about finding the right players who will enhance the squad but may
:41:02. > :41:05.not necessarily... Surely the starting XI... I think they can go
:41:06. > :41:11.and level up from Vincent Jansen. Maybe he was they could attract that
:41:12. > :41:15.type of player last summer. Playing it Wembley could be a big carrot,
:41:16. > :41:21.every week, the biggest stage in England. I think Martin is dead
:41:22. > :41:24.right, it's bringing in that mentality but experienced players
:41:25. > :41:33.cost money. That will be the big issue. And are their heads turned in
:41:34. > :41:37.difficult situations? We had this with Arsenal, the Wembley situation
:41:38. > :41:40.and then not winning trophies on the players want to go everywhere else
:41:41. > :41:44.because the grass looks greener. Keep them believing in what they're
:41:45. > :41:48.doing. They have a fantastic manager, keep him there, but he has
:41:49. > :41:50.got to be seen to be pushing that football club. They've got an
:41:51. > :41:54.excellent training ground and the stadium looks amazing but spend the
:41:55. > :41:59.money on the football side, something Arsenal didn't do, by the
:42:00. > :42:06.way. They did not want to go into debt. Speculate to Achaemenid and it
:42:07. > :42:11.could pay full stop Jansen and Sissoko, the club could be in
:42:12. > :42:18.trouble again. Nigel says Spurs are growing up to finish, it's amazing.
:42:19. > :42:22.Sean said the simple fact Spurs finish second and Arsenal win the FA
:42:23. > :42:28.Cup, I'd rather be an Arsenal fan because nobody remembers the team
:42:29. > :42:33.that finishes second. Get in touch. Do you see Chelsea winning the title
:42:34. > :42:41.on Friday? I think they will beat Middlesbrough. West Bromwich, I
:42:42. > :42:47.wouldn't go high stakes on it. It would be like Tony Pulis to make his
:42:48. > :42:52.way to make us wait a week longer. Making sure it'll be the hardest
:42:53. > :42:57.night of the season but they will do it, I think. Antonio Conte is
:42:58. > :43:04.ferocious in his intensity. Will they have a similarly big summer
:43:05. > :43:16.like Spurs well? Not as big brother Champions League new horizon for
:43:17. > :43:20.them and the thing is departures. Lukaku, does he fit in with the
:43:21. > :43:24.Antonio Conte approach? I think it will make it work. He's a player you
:43:25. > :43:27.have to challenge. He is now the top goal-scorer in the Premier League
:43:28. > :43:32.with Harry Kane might have got two or three on Friday night, maybe
:43:33. > :43:37.worked a bit harder yesterday, I think is that sort of player. You
:43:38. > :43:41.got to set goals for him. Chelsea and Middlesbrough is tomorrow night
:43:42. > :43:46.so you'll be able to listen to that game on Radio 5 Live and there's a
:43:47. > :43:49.special Match of the Day tomorrow for the Arsenal and Manchester
:43:50. > :43:52.United is on later. They will keep you across the Championship at the
:43:53. > :43:57.moment and you can find out who goes down. Me and Martin are off to play
:43:58. > :44:01.tug-of-war. See you next week.