:00:30. > :00:40.Hello. Good afternoon and welcome to Match of the Day 2 Extra on the BBC
:00:41. > :00:46.Two,. Joining us this afternoon, former England and Arsenal defender
:00:47. > :00:51.Martin Keogh, Shay given and the chief sports writer from the mirror.
:00:52. > :00:58.You can use this hashtag to get involved. This is what is coming
:00:59. > :01:02.up... A sixth consecutive win for Spurs who put for past Watford to
:01:03. > :01:07.keep up the pressure on Chelsea. Chelsea responded with victory at
:01:08. > :01:11.Bournemouth, Liverpool beat Stoke City, that was described as a mother
:01:12. > :01:15.by Jurgen Klopp and we will have team news from the Stadium Of Light
:01:16. > :01:22.were Sunderland play Manchester United in the lunchtime kick-off. A
:01:23. > :01:27.real mixed bag in the papers. Jose Mourinho wanting to bring method
:01:28. > :01:33.Ozil to United and as for The Mail on Sunday, they have him staying,
:01:34. > :01:37.but we must buy stars. The Sunday Telegraph, apparently Antonio Conte
:01:38. > :01:43.clubs pressure. We will talk about Chelsea shortly but let's start by
:01:44. > :01:50.talking about Spurs and Barton, for you, or are they the real deal?
:01:51. > :01:54.Without doubt. I like that core strength of players, like Eric Dyer
:01:55. > :01:57.and Dele Alli, taking ownership of their football club. Young players,
:01:58. > :02:02.there is a bit of competition between them, both of them scoring
:02:03. > :02:06.goals yesterday. They are staying in the title race. It is not easy when
:02:07. > :02:09.it is looking like Chelsea will win but they are still competitive. They
:02:10. > :02:13.are much stronger mentally and they will take it to the wire but they
:02:14. > :02:25.have to tough away games coming up against Crystal Palace and Leicester
:02:26. > :02:28.and we will see what they are made of. That will be tough. If Spurs the
:02:29. > :02:30.right place to be for a young footballer? Under the right code.
:02:31. > :02:34.This is a coach he gets a fantastic amount out of his younger players.
:02:35. > :02:36.It is the right place to be and I am sure fans are sick of people saying
:02:37. > :02:40.about keeping the players there. Keeping Dele Alli, his record now is
:02:41. > :02:46.astonishing. It is undoubtedly the right place for him to develop under
:02:47. > :02:50.the manager, develop in a side that is loving it. You see the expression
:02:51. > :02:57.they are putting into the game, they are relishing this run they arrived,
:02:58. > :03:01.but if Dele Alli is as we would all say, a player who is on the radar of
:03:02. > :03:07.Real Madrid at Manchester City and if we are saying he is a ?70 million
:03:08. > :03:11.player, he is thinking and his agent is thinking, I must be worth this
:03:12. > :03:15.amount in wages. Spurs will have that problem of keeping hold of a
:03:16. > :03:19.player and convincing him it is in his best interest to stay under
:03:20. > :03:26.Pocchettino and learn, rather than if he carries on this type of form.
:03:27. > :03:32.How good is Dele Alli? Every week he seems to go up a level, he is a
:03:33. > :03:36.fantastic player. He is so young, just starting off. The thing is,
:03:37. > :03:41.going back to whatever contract he is on, he has to be the top earning
:03:42. > :03:45.player at the club and keeping him there for the long-term future. It
:03:46. > :03:49.is all about the finances for Tottenham, they are building a new
:03:50. > :03:56.stadium, but players like Dele Alli, they have to stay at the club for
:03:57. > :03:59.the future. He looks like a really good kid and all their players, when
:04:00. > :04:02.they talk to the press, there is an intelligence about them. They are
:04:03. > :04:06.striving for excellence, their training ground is out of this
:04:07. > :04:09.world. A brand-new ground they are building, there is so much there,
:04:10. > :04:12.holding onto the manager will be just as important as holding onto
:04:13. > :04:17.this very good group of players. Chelsea, I think they are seven
:04:18. > :04:18.points better off, Tottenham, but Chelsea have raised the bar a little
:04:19. > :04:36.bit but they should not give up on that, these
:04:37. > :04:38.Tottenham players. They should be proud of what they are achieving.
:04:39. > :04:41.They do not want to just switch off and then they were leapfrogged by
:04:42. > :04:44.Arsenal. They will see the job right the way through. They are making it
:04:45. > :04:46.tight. Dele Alli has been shielded. You hear more from the other young
:04:47. > :04:50.players than you do from Dele Alli. In a way, from our point of view, we
:04:51. > :04:52.would rather he come out and speak more, but he has been shielded from
:04:53. > :04:56.the media glare as such. It is interesting. He is a very
:04:57. > :05:01.experienced kid, he played probably about 100 games for MK Dons and
:05:02. > :05:05.played a lot of games for Spurs. He does his talking on the pitch and he
:05:06. > :05:09.is doing it very well. One of the other starters is of course Eric
:05:10. > :05:13.Dier and he has been talking to Simon Brotherton. There is quite a
:05:14. > :05:17.lot of freedom in the way that you played. That is the only way for us
:05:18. > :05:21.to play, really. Playing that way, we will get the best out of
:05:22. > :05:25.ourselves and play better as a team. I think we have learned a lot from
:05:26. > :05:33.last season and hopefully we can keep going in this way. I think
:05:34. > :05:36.maybe at times last season, we got a bit too tense and worried too much
:05:37. > :05:42.and thought too much about things and I think we are just going game
:05:43. > :05:49.by game and really focusing on the games and playing our football and
:05:50. > :05:54.enjoying it. On shows like this, we often emphasise how good Christian
:05:55. > :05:58.Eriksen has been and Dele Alli but this season, Eric Dier has been
:05:59. > :06:03.magnificent, enjoying the leadership that perhaps Spurs lacked last
:06:04. > :06:06.season. Definitely, he is one of the standout candidates, Martin mention
:06:07. > :06:11.the core of the team and he is at the centre. He sits in front of the
:06:12. > :06:14.back four and he has played exceptionally well. Going back to
:06:15. > :06:15.last year, they will still be hurting from what happened last
:06:16. > :06:34.season. They got pipped, by Arsenal, there are big rivals, for
:06:35. > :06:36.the Champions League, but this year they look stronger and mentally they
:06:37. > :06:39.will be stronger because of what happened last season and they will
:06:40. > :06:42.push Chelsea all the way. The result at Bournemouth is a big win for
:06:43. > :06:44.Chelsea. They are driven by what happened last season? Eric Dier
:06:45. > :06:47.under Roy Hodgson and the England setup, he is seen as a future
:06:48. > :06:49.England captain. He is that much of a strong personality. He has had to
:06:50. > :06:54.fight for his place in the Spurs team. It is competitive. He was
:06:55. > :06:57.brought up in Portugal, playing his football there and he talks about
:06:58. > :07:00.the English football players rushing around and there is an air and a
:07:01. > :07:04.quality about him, he's calm in possession. There is something in
:07:05. > :07:08.that with their young English players that we are trying to
:07:09. > :07:13.nurture it through. He came through with Chambers and John Stones. He
:07:14. > :07:16.has been moved into midfield, we could rescue the England team by
:07:17. > :07:19.doing that, we are not blessed with many midfield players we can call
:07:20. > :07:27.upon and he is someone who is very important. I see him as being a big
:07:28. > :07:32.player there. Going off on a touch with England, it Gareth does play
:07:33. > :07:35.that system of three at the back, you need to strong players in
:07:36. > :07:39.central midfield and at the moment, we are a bit short of them and he
:07:40. > :07:43.could be one of them. When you watch birds at the moment, do you think
:07:44. > :07:46.there is an air of confidence and swagger. If you look at the goal by
:07:47. > :07:52.Dele Alli, it was fantastic, but if you rewind the tape, it comes from
:07:53. > :07:57.Hugo Lloris, under pressure from the Watford strikeforce and he rolls the
:07:58. > :07:59.ball out and they play from the back. The goal comes Rabada ten or
:08:00. > :08:03.11 passes, there is a real confidence in the side. I do not
:08:04. > :08:06.think it is rocket science. Pocchettino is the man behind that,
:08:07. > :08:11.he set up the system and how they play. Hugo Lloris probably was not
:08:12. > :08:16.much good with his feet, but he is a fantastic goalkeeper and he has
:08:17. > :08:19.improved so much in that department. Strikers close him down but he is
:08:20. > :08:25.casual on the ball in a positive way and players at the back, I know they
:08:26. > :08:28.do that, they work every week on the system, how they play, where players
:08:29. > :08:32.want to be and the build-up from the back. It is a big part of their
:08:33. > :08:36.game. We will not know about the mentality or whether Spurs have
:08:37. > :08:42.changed until Spurs actually win a trophy. If they go on to win the FA
:08:43. > :08:46.Cup, for example, if they knock over Chelsea, City and they are suddenly
:08:47. > :08:49.in a different ball game. That is mouthwatering that one. In the
:08:50. > :09:00.Premier League, you cannot do a lot about winning
:09:01. > :09:05.it, you when your game are they win their game, but it is about who is
:09:06. > :09:08.best, let us have it to the finish. That game at the end of last season,
:09:09. > :09:10.finished off Spurs league when Hazard scored a couple of goals.
:09:11. > :09:14.That game imploded, let us hope we do not see that. Let us see a fair
:09:15. > :09:16.fight in the semifinal, but I cannot wait for that game. They are the
:09:17. > :09:21.standout teams. Phil Neville was talking about the best coach team,
:09:22. > :09:25.Tottenham, maybe it is Chelsea. Antonio Conte really stitches in his
:09:26. > :09:29.information, both teams know what they need to do. There is so much
:09:30. > :09:32.riding, both teams might feel they can get a double this year. That is
:09:33. > :09:38.what we have but it looks as though Chelsea will win the league. You
:09:39. > :09:42.mentioned when Spurs beat Chelsea at White Hart Lane. There was almost a
:09:43. > :09:48.feeling they are almost measuring themselves against Chelsea and they
:09:49. > :09:52.feel that they are at their level. All you can ask them Spurs is that
:09:53. > :09:56.they will improve this season, the fact that Chelsea have gone on that
:09:57. > :09:59.remarkable run, winning so many games, Spurs can do nothing about
:10:00. > :10:05.that. They have improved and I think next Saturday, it will just... The
:10:06. > :10:12.strength their squad, I think there is a case for trippy eight being the
:10:13. > :10:19.England number two ahead of Klein. I do not see anyone playing to that
:10:20. > :10:25.level. They both can play. The manager, how he is keeping them
:10:26. > :10:30.happy. Look at the improvement he is getting out of players, looking from
:10:31. > :10:34.the outside, you wonder who has improved. Kyle Walker has improved
:10:35. > :10:42.immensely. There are not many better full-backs in Europe. It comes back
:10:43. > :10:47.to the ambition, can they keep these players in the summer, Manchester
:10:48. > :10:53.City might be looking for a right fullback. There was a story about
:10:54. > :10:56.Danny Rose and Manchester United. If you are Danny Rose, at Tottenham
:10:57. > :11:01.Hotspur, you wonder if you should go and work under Jose Mourinho, seeing
:11:02. > :11:06.how he treated Luke Shaw. It is really a no brain to stay under
:11:07. > :11:12.Pocchettino. We will come onto Jose Mourinho and Luke Shaw surely. Let
:11:13. > :11:16.us hear from Phil Neville. Pocchettino is doing a good job. I
:11:17. > :11:19.love him. They are the best coached team in the Premier League, they are
:11:20. > :11:25.a young team who keeps getting better. People talk about players
:11:26. > :11:28.leaving, they have to keep them. Best coached team in the Premier
:11:29. > :11:31.League. Can I ask you, Martin, when it comes to winning titles and
:11:32. > :11:35.trophies and you have done that with Arsenal, when you win a trophy, what
:11:36. > :11:39.does that do for the whole atmosphere of the football club and
:11:40. > :11:44.is that what Spurs need to do, get that first trophy under their belt
:11:45. > :11:46.under Pocchettino? What it does is it galvanises everyone together and
:11:47. > :11:49.you start to become much more a part of the club. That is for certain. If
:11:50. > :12:14.there is anyone with any ideas to leave, they
:12:15. > :12:17.are not thinking about that. Pretty well if you look at Arsenal last
:12:18. > :12:20.season, if they had won the league, they would not be the situation with
:12:21. > :12:23.Mesut Ozil. Suddenly the grass is greener were you are, life is good.
:12:24. > :12:26.I do not see that with Spurs. I think we can go another season or so
:12:27. > :12:28.but they do need to win a trophy pretty soon. They have the
:12:29. > :12:31.capabilities of doing it. They want to become stars and why not become
:12:32. > :12:33.legends at Tottenham? As an Arsenal fan, it has been difficult for
:12:34. > :12:36.Spurs, they are coming into something now. When you go to White
:12:37. > :12:38.Hart Lane, the fans know, they are in awe of their team and they are
:12:39. > :12:41.right behind them because they see something special every week. Do you
:12:42. > :12:43.think teams are fearing going to White Hart Lane? Definitely, the way
:12:44. > :12:47.they are playing. You know you're in for a tough game. We went there
:12:48. > :13:06.recently, 4-0 down at half-time, or Watford
:13:07. > :13:10.yesterday, it is going to be tough. That is why it is important what
:13:11. > :13:12.happens next year. Phil Neville is right about Pocchettino, he will be
:13:13. > :13:15.in demand and there is no question of him leaving at the moment but we
:13:16. > :13:22.-- when we had that lunch with Fergie, I knew bumped into Barcelona
:13:23. > :13:28.President is, as you do! There was a great code from Pocchettino, who
:13:29. > :13:31.said that these things happen! Let's talk about the papers and Antonio
:13:32. > :13:34.Conte because he seems to be enjoying the challenge presented by
:13:35. > :13:38.Spurs and this is the quote from the newspaper, I love the pressure, I
:13:39. > :13:43.live off the pressure, I don't see pressure, I put pressure on. Five
:13:44. > :13:49.times he has used pressure. I think we know that. Where we sit at
:13:50. > :13:55.Stamford Bridge, we sit directly behind the Chelsea dugout and the
:13:56. > :13:59.pressure he puts on himself, it is incredible. I sometimes wonder how a
:14:00. > :14:04.coach can be that intense for long periods of time in his career. It is
:14:05. > :14:08.incredible. You see players that were angry on the pitch, got into
:14:09. > :14:12.much mode and I think he feels that is what he has to do. He was a
:14:13. > :14:16.serial winner at Juventus, the winter season unbeaten mare, last
:14:17. > :14:20.season, he is capable of big things and he believes that if I do not
:14:21. > :14:24.keep beating that drum on the side of the pitch, then the team will not
:14:25. > :14:30.perform. He gets his players up for it. I have seen him pick up his
:14:31. > :14:40.assistant by the lapels and lead him down the line to say something. He
:14:41. > :14:44.has got incredible enthusiasm. He feels pressure because there is
:14:45. > :14:49.pressure to perform at Chelsea, pressure to win a title. I am sure
:14:50. > :14:54.he is desperate to do that in the way that Carlo Ancelotti did as
:14:55. > :14:59.well. People often forget as well, you talked about Juventus, he has
:15:00. > :15:03.also coached Italy as well, in big games and Martin and I were in
:15:04. > :15:07.Bordeaux for the Italy and Germany game and we were at the side of the
:15:08. > :15:12.pitch and we were talking about the energy that he puts into again
:15:13. > :15:15.himself just been on the touchline. Fascinating. And he came at the
:15:16. > :15:18.start of the season he was not playing three at the back. I do not
:15:19. > :15:23.think he understands four at the back at all but he went with it and
:15:24. > :15:26.he has imposed his beliefs on the team. Kante, they say football is a
:15:27. > :15:31.numbers game, but he just changes the numbers because he offers
:15:32. > :15:35.himself in wide positions, back of the defence, forward positions, they
:15:36. > :15:41.always have that extra player on the pitch and he now complete to
:15:42. > :15:46.midfield players. He likes that two in front and then he can have Hazard
:15:47. > :15:51.and Pedro, that extra inventiveness at the top of the team. Phil is
:15:52. > :15:55.talking about Pocchettino as being the best coach, I do not think
:15:56. > :15:58.Chelsea are behind that and you would have to look at Jose Mourinho
:15:59. > :16:02.who is always well drilled. We have some excellent managers and that is
:16:03. > :16:04.why we are seeing really good coaching and good information and it
:16:05. > :16:08.is the coaches who get that message across the quickest he will win
:16:09. > :16:13.something. I think Pep Guardiola at the top of all of this, he is an
:16:14. > :16:20.artist and I see him next season as conquering all of this.
:16:21. > :16:30.There are coaches but you need talented coaches. He will be
:16:31. > :16:34.thinking not long ago I was supposed to be the best manager in the world,
:16:35. > :16:37.why are they not talking about me but I'm sure he will get the
:16:38. > :16:42.investment to go again and Manchester City will be pushing for
:16:43. > :16:49.the final. I will say this about Antonio Conte and his coaching, you
:16:50. > :16:52.are right that you have to have the personnel but would we have
:16:53. > :16:59.envisaged Marcos Alonso and Victor Moses playing such key roles as the
:17:00. > :17:03.wingbacks? You would not have said, you've got the personnel, I would
:17:04. > :17:07.not have had those two down as key factors in Chelsea's season. That's
:17:08. > :17:11.because we could not have believed those two could have done it, Alonso
:17:12. > :17:15.gave a brilliant free kick yesterday, totally underestimated.
:17:16. > :17:18.You never saw him as a full-back but they will come all the way back and
:17:19. > :17:23.they are in a five and that they have the two in front so how would
:17:24. > :17:26.you break them down? They know their roles and responsibility. That's the
:17:27. > :17:32.coach. Let's look at some of the papers. I don't know what this is
:17:33. > :17:37.doing here! Andy Dunn, apparently Britain's best columnist, according
:17:38. > :17:43.to the Minna! An interesting piece, Joe is say hello to a new striker
:17:44. > :17:54.and goodbye to Ibrahimovic- Jose must say hello. Has Ibra had his
:17:55. > :17:59.time at Manchester United? He said he didn't know if he was going to
:18:00. > :18:05.stay, my point of view is that he has been outstanding this season.
:18:06. > :18:09.Had he not made that elbow attack I think he might have been my
:18:10. > :18:14.Footballer of the Year. However he will be 36 and October. If he stays
:18:15. > :18:21.another year he must play. You can't imagine Zlatan saying that he will
:18:22. > :18:25.stay with no guarantee of playing. And then you've got to fit Zlatan in
:18:26. > :18:29.with the other strikers. And that's the younger players, Rashford,
:18:30. > :18:32.Martial, they will go down the pecking order and I don't think he's
:18:33. > :18:38.the future of Manchester United. He's been fantastic this season but
:18:39. > :18:44.going forward, long-term, then he is not the future. To get a relatively
:18:45. > :18:49.young striker in, a top striker like Griezmann and then integrate other
:18:50. > :18:54.players in... Martin, would it be a mistake for Ibra to stay another
:18:55. > :18:57.year? They may win the Europa League and he had a massive hand in that.
:18:58. > :19:04.If he stays another year, perhaps the legend will not be as strong...
:19:05. > :19:09.He has won 11 trophies in 13 seasons. He is a true champion.
:19:10. > :19:14.Today he's talking about us and them. He is still a player, not a
:19:15. > :19:22.coach, and his will have to stay if Dashti change if he stays. He will
:19:23. > :19:27.become Wayne Rooney's, next's Wayne Rooney. Rashford will need to be
:19:28. > :19:30.managed, an interesting young teenager scoring for Mourinho.
:19:31. > :19:37.Mourinho does not necessarily want to work with teenagers. Ibrahimovic
:19:38. > :19:41.is outstanding that he is 36. When you look at the bench, back in the
:19:42. > :19:46.date it was Dwight Yorke and Teddy Sheringham. They need strikers. They
:19:47. > :19:52.are not scaring anyone. That's all gone now. They need to get that
:19:53. > :19:58.back. They need a dearth of strikers. Manchester United need to
:19:59. > :20:06.buy strikers but protect Rashford. And the back page of the Sun, they
:20:07. > :20:10.have leapt it out anyway, Ibra says Jose has every right to blast flops.
:20:11. > :20:16.Martin just said Jose doesn't want to work with teenagers. Ibrahimovic
:20:17. > :20:20.knows what Jose is like, you worked with him at Inter Milan. He knows
:20:21. > :20:27.his style. Does he have a point that United are overachieving? I don't
:20:28. > :20:32.know about overachieving but I think Zlatan can take criticism to his
:20:33. > :20:36.face but there are players like Luke Shaw who this week has come in for a
:20:37. > :20:40.lot of criticism and I think he should say it in the changing room
:20:41. > :20:47.to his face and keep it out of the press. Back him. Don't do it in
:20:48. > :20:53.public. Those players go home to their families. For me, as a
:20:54. > :20:57.manager, if you want to get the best out of a player, saying it to his
:20:58. > :21:03.face and then protecting him on the outside I think is the way forward.
:21:04. > :21:07.How this go in the dressing room? Zlatan has played every Premier
:21:08. > :21:13.League minute he's been available under Jose. He doesn't get
:21:14. > :21:17.substituted. And then he calls out other players publicly, and
:21:18. > :21:24.Ibrahimovic says he has every right to blast the flops. Reading between
:21:25. > :21:29.the lines... Separating himself from the other players a bit? That is and
:21:30. > :21:33.what they want. It would be better if both the manager and the top
:21:34. > :21:37.players said, we are equally to blame in some way. They are now
:21:38. > :21:42.pushing the blame onto the youngsters. How about believing in
:21:43. > :21:46.Luke Shaw and trusting him? How about saying, he came off the bench
:21:47. > :21:50.and it was his strike that led to the penalty at the end of the game
:21:51. > :21:54.against Everton. Instead the manager lays claim to his success by saying
:21:55. > :22:04.that every move he made was because of Jose shouting at him on the
:22:05. > :22:06.sidelines. That is not good management. Let the player grow. He
:22:07. > :22:10.is an outstanding talent. I think sometimes Mourinho says too much.
:22:11. > :22:14.You should have a member of staff who cut him short! Five and a half
:22:15. > :22:19.minutes, his interview after the Everton game. He did this at
:22:20. > :22:23.Chelsea. He needs more control. He should apologise sometimes what he
:22:24. > :22:29.says to the players. Briefly that was bizarre. At the same time Jose
:22:30. > :22:33.was in the press Conference saying how he was orchestrating what Luke
:22:34. > :22:39.Shaw did, saying he was the brains, the same time Luke Shaw was giving
:22:40. > :22:44.interview elsewhere, not knowing what his manager was saying. It's a
:22:45. > :22:49.really difficult situation. Batstone our attention to today. It's a
:22:50. > :22:53.massive game for Sunderland. They played Manchester United, Ian Brown
:22:54. > :23:00.has the team is. Sunderland ten points adrift of safety myth David
:23:01. > :23:05.Moyes has minimal scope for change even though he has Victor Anichebe
:23:06. > :23:10.upfront, Borini drops out and Pienaar is on the bench after his
:23:11. > :23:14.problems. Manchester United, a lot to do just, five alterations from
:23:15. > :23:20.the Everton game. You talked about Luke Shaw, he starts today, Paul
:23:21. > :23:28.Pogba returns and Mkhitaryan, plus Romero in goal and Darmian at right
:23:29. > :23:36.back. Those making we are de Gea, Young, Rashford, Zlatan is in and
:23:37. > :23:41.the captain as Marouane Fellaini. Thank you, updates from Ian and
:23:42. > :23:46.Steve throughout the afternoon on radio five Life. Your reaction to de
:23:47. > :23:52.Gea missing out for Manchester United? Five changes and Marouane
:23:53. > :23:54.Fellaini the captain. Marouane Fellaini as captain is strange, some
:23:55. > :23:59.of the fans don't think you should be at the club and now he's captain.
:24:00. > :24:03.And de Gea is one of the best keepers in the world, he has done
:24:04. > :24:09.very well, Romero, though, so I think they will be OK in that
:24:10. > :24:14.department, Sunderland struggling to score. Presumably Luke Shaw will
:24:15. > :24:21.start with Mourinho running along the touchline! Get back here!
:24:22. > :24:25.Interesting that they are making the changes because clearly you are
:24:26. > :24:31.coming to the stage where they've got the Europa League game, they are
:24:32. > :24:37.away at Anderlecht on Thursday, it is one of those, I think, he doesn't
:24:38. > :24:41.say, I will prioritise the Europa League, he just says, we are going
:24:42. > :24:45.for everything but at the back of his mind he probably just has one
:24:46. > :24:52.eye on his Europa League... Will they win the Europa League? It's got
:24:53. > :24:56.to be their best bet. The fixtures are difficult between the end of the
:24:57. > :25:01.season and now, they play Chelsea, City, Spurs, I can't see them
:25:02. > :25:05.finishing... You wouldn't want to put all your eggs in one basket
:25:06. > :25:09.because anything could happen in the final. He does love winning
:25:10. > :25:14.trophies. If he wins the Europa League that's a very good season for
:25:15. > :25:18.Manchester United. Very good. People look at their league position but to
:25:19. > :25:22.win two trophies in one season when there are four or five trophies to
:25:23. > :25:28.play for would be a big success for Mourinho. I think pressure has been
:25:29. > :25:32.put on him by David Moyes in the paper today saying that they need to
:25:33. > :25:37.win trophies. I think that Manchester United will go all out to
:25:38. > :25:42.win today. Let's hear from Jordan Pickford about Sunderland. He's been
:25:43. > :25:48.talking to Football Focus. Eight games without a win, we've got a
:25:49. > :25:52.tough test coming up and as a Sunderland glad it's not ideal,
:25:53. > :25:58.knowing the vibe in the area, that is down to us players and staff, to
:25:59. > :26:04.put things right on the pitch on game day. We need to work as best we
:26:05. > :26:11.can to get those three points. Three years ago I think we were eight
:26:12. > :26:16.points adrift and we needed a miracle is why can't we do it now?
:26:17. > :26:26.Jordan Pickford. I asked you how good Eric Dier and Dele Alli is,
:26:27. > :26:33.Shay, but Manchester United, if they lost de Gea would they go for Jordan
:26:34. > :26:38.Pickford? He's a good keeper. He's 23, he's played all season in
:26:39. > :26:42.Premier League, when he was at Preston they spoke very highly of
:26:43. > :26:45.their keeper, now he has the decision to make because it looks
:26:46. > :26:49.like Sunderland will get relegated, don't beat around the bush. He will
:26:50. > :26:53.probably be one of the main players they could sell in the summer. By
:26:54. > :26:57.all accounts they might want the money for him. As a player, he's a
:26:58. > :27:00.Sunderland boy, maybe he will want to stay in the Championship and get
:27:01. > :27:05.them back in the Premier League. He doesn't want to go to Chelsea, man
:27:06. > :27:09.city or Manchester United answered on the bench. He's had a taste of
:27:10. > :27:20.first-team football and he doesn't want to go back to doing that -- he
:27:21. > :27:22.doesn't want to to Chelsea, Manchester City or Manchester United
:27:23. > :27:25.and simply sit on the bench. I think they will take the decision out of
:27:26. > :27:28.his hands. They want the money. Somebody said that in January they
:27:29. > :27:31.might try to sell him but he was injured so they couldn't sell him. I
:27:32. > :27:37.just wouldn't like him to go to a big club and not play. He's still
:27:38. > :27:41.young as a keeper. I think that's the issue, he's getting game time,
:27:42. > :27:49.he's very young for a goalkeeper. I don't think there's any rush. He
:27:50. > :27:55.gets so much action, doesn't he? He is making so many saves. And when
:27:56. > :28:01.you are at a good club you are only making one or two saves the match.
:28:02. > :28:04.Perhaps it is lucky that Joe Hart did not go there in the summer
:28:05. > :28:09.because this lad has had an opportunity to play. Andy, what is
:28:10. > :28:14.your view on David Moyes, under pressure for many reasons. I am a
:28:15. > :28:27.little bit surprised, basically that the club did not take more action
:28:28. > :28:30.for the incident... The interview with Vicki Sparks. I am surprised
:28:31. > :28:34.they did not take stock action about that. And in terms of the way that
:28:35. > :28:41.the season has gone, I look at him and I don't think he has transformed
:28:42. > :28:46.them in any way shape or form, apart from the first goals which have now
:28:47. > :28:49.dried up. Basically it's been a huge disappointment for him, this season.
:28:50. > :28:53.I think that by the sound of it he will be given the chance to bring
:28:54. > :28:57.them back up because they are going down. It has been coming. If you
:28:58. > :29:02.look at Aston Villa, for many years near the bottom of the table,
:29:03. > :29:06.Sunderland hanging on, Sam Allardyce getting them out of trouble,
:29:07. > :29:11.somehow, it has almost been inevitable, sitting there with 20
:29:12. > :29:15.points, it is almost pitiful. And the finances as well, I don't know
:29:16. > :29:19.how much money they've got to bring in new players, I don't know if they
:29:20. > :29:27.will promise in a certain amount and then pull the rug from under his
:29:28. > :29:32.feet. And to sell them to one of their rivals seems to be quite the
:29:33. > :29:37.wrong message. A look at the back page of the Sunday Muhuddin Mire.
:29:38. > :29:45.Mesut Ozil on his way to Manchester United, says the paper. - the Sunday
:29:46. > :29:57.Mirror. I am sure that Jose would like him. He's not a Jose type of
:29:58. > :30:03.player but I talked to Jose and he said that he used to watch training,
:30:04. > :30:06.and Jose would turn his back on Real Madrid training, and you're the
:30:07. > :30:10.kerfuffle going on behind but whenever Mesut Ozil was on the ball
:30:11. > :30:16.it made a different sound. Like a golfer when he hits a pure shot.
:30:17. > :30:20.Whether Jose might be saying this for effect, he claimed that he could
:30:21. > :30:24.listen and he knew when Maslow 's and was kicking. And he loves him,
:30:25. > :30:28.he thinks he is great. He looked great when Jose rejoined Chelsea, he
:30:29. > :30:37.didn't think that Mesut Ozil would be suitable for the type of game he
:30:38. > :30:40.wanted to play. The type with everyone pressing, working as hard
:30:41. > :30:47.without the ball as they do with the ball. But now with the United set up
:30:48. > :30:53.I think he could. Mourinho called him a cry as well. That is in his
:30:54. > :30:57.book, he says, at half-time, you've got to go and prove me wrong, and he
:30:58. > :31:04.didn't come he stayed in the dressing room. But Jose did write
:31:05. > :31:07.the foreword for his autobiography. Speaking of books, the Mail on
:31:08. > :31:14.Sunday have an interview with Mesut Ozil. This is Rob Draper. They've
:31:15. > :31:20.obviously got the rights to serialise his new book, Gunning For
:31:21. > :31:24.Greatness. He says, I get criticism but I don't care, and success on the
:31:25. > :31:25.pitch. Do you understand why so many fans get frustrated that he drifts
:31:26. > :31:38.in and out of matches? Without doubt. David Rocastle ticked
:31:39. > :31:42.and off a lot of boxes, he was a physical player and technically
:31:43. > :31:47.gifted. This fellow has one of those but not both. He leaves the Arsenal
:31:48. > :31:51.fans frustrated. Manchester City, he was running through on goal and he
:31:52. > :31:55.was favourite and suddenly he was not favourite, it took like he was
:31:56. > :31:58.running away from the ball. There are body language issues, you he is
:31:59. > :32:03.a success story, but when you're in a team that is not having a good
:32:04. > :32:06.time, you have to work hard. Dennis Bergkamp for me have the complete
:32:07. > :32:09.package, he was a better player only because he worked hard out of
:32:10. > :32:13.possession. They are both brilliant in possession but you have to do
:32:14. > :32:15.both. Arsenal cannot carry someone and they are looking to the top
:32:16. > :32:33.player to get them out of trouble. He has been ill
:32:34. > :32:35.or not available or not ready for selection and that has left a huge
:32:36. > :32:38.question mark. If he stays, everything has to be rosy in his
:32:39. > :32:41.garden for him to play well and that is not the case at the moment. He
:32:42. > :32:44.does not give many interviews, but there is a book coming out and you
:32:45. > :32:46.can understand why he is doing this. He says he has a connection with
:32:47. > :32:49.Arsenal, I love London, but I cannot say what will happen in the future.
:32:50. > :32:52.In the summer we will talk. What does that mean? When you listen to
:32:53. > :33:03.that, do you think he likes living in London, but... Chelsea are in
:33:04. > :33:06.London as well of course. And Spurs. Sanchez and Mesut Ozil are the main
:33:07. > :33:10.players at Arsenal and neither of them have signed a main contract. It
:33:11. > :33:14.is not a money issue, I don't think they're holding out for money, I
:33:15. > :33:18.think it is more the ambition of the club, what is happening with Arsene
:33:19. > :33:21.Wenger, highly going to invest in the squad in the summer and these
:33:22. > :33:25.two could play in any top European team and that is the big question
:33:26. > :33:30.mark. It is quite a revealing interview and also shifting it onto
:33:31. > :33:34.Arsene Wenger, unequivocal support for Mesut Ozil today. It would be,
:33:35. > :33:40.because he has had that support from Arsene Wenger. When he has had bad
:33:41. > :33:44.games and certainly in big games he has had bad games, so I am not
:33:45. > :33:47.surprised he has the support of the manager because he never criticises
:33:48. > :33:52.players publicly in the way that Jose Mourinho might do and also, he
:33:53. > :33:58.allows Mesut Ozil his freedom to express himself. Arsene Wenger is
:33:59. > :34:05.happy for him to do what he does. He does not want his artist painting
:34:06. > :34:08.fences. He will, I am afraid, but he will not say publicly. That is the
:34:09. > :34:13.difference between him and Jose Mourinho. He only says, he talks
:34:14. > :34:17.about the good things that people do, but not the things they cannot
:34:18. > :34:22.do. I does feel there are question marks. He has been ill, mystery
:34:23. > :34:27.illnesses, hamstring injuries, at least Sanchez has come out and said
:34:28. > :34:30.something. He has got a bit of balls about him, he has become an angry
:34:31. > :34:34.man and difficult to work with but he is showing passion. They beat
:34:35. > :34:37.West Ham, they have a difficult game on Monday night against Crystal
:34:38. > :34:54.Palace but Arsenal are still in there with a shout and they can
:34:55. > :34:57.turn around their season. If they finish in the top four, it is
:34:58. > :35:00.certain that Arsene Wenger will stay. I think these guys contract
:35:01. > :35:03.will run out and Arsenal will say, you will have to stay here for
:35:04. > :35:05.another season. They are key to the success of Arsenal. Let's talk about
:35:06. > :35:07.Liverpool, masterstroke by Jurgen Klopp at half-time yesterday? When
:35:08. > :35:10.they saw the team sheet, we talked about it, young lads upfront, we
:35:11. > :35:13.thought it was a good chance to beat Liverpool today and we did play well
:35:14. > :35:15.in the first half, maybe had a couple more chances we could have
:35:16. > :35:19.taken. At half-time, Firmino and Catania came on and they definitely
:35:20. > :35:23.changed the game. They both scored as well and you all the goals last
:35:24. > :35:29.night, both fantastic finishes, but at the same time, as the goalkeeper
:35:30. > :35:33.I will stick up for Simon Mignolet. He made two great saves and on
:35:34. > :35:42.another day we could have four the game 3-2. They concede Jurgen Klopp
:35:43. > :35:45.probably running to him now, to hug him, because especially the second
:35:46. > :35:51.save was one of the saves of the season. We watch the game in the
:35:52. > :35:55.studio, he was not laughing at half-time. He is the manager that we
:35:56. > :36:01.look at and would love to play for him. He looks great, he is enjoying
:36:02. > :36:05.every moment of every player's career. I love his interviews
:36:06. > :36:09.afterwards. That was massive for them to get back and win that match.
:36:10. > :36:12.It really would have opened the door for Arsenal to get back in. We are
:36:13. > :36:17.just showing pictures of those wonderful scenes at the end were
:36:18. > :36:20.Jurgen Klopp ran onto the pitch. We were scratching our heads when they
:36:21. > :36:24.saw that Ben Woodburn was starting as well. Is that because Coutinho
:36:25. > :36:30.had only passed a fitness test to get onto the bench. Presumably so,
:36:31. > :36:34.because Coutinho came back one month ago hands has been, started to come
:36:35. > :36:40.into form but were struggling to recapture his form. Maybe that was
:36:41. > :36:43.an element to do with that. I don't understand it otherwise, because
:36:44. > :36:47.they have no more commitments, they have just got to get the best they
:36:48. > :36:54.can out of the remaining fixtures. I am not entirely sure... It worked
:36:55. > :37:00.and they were IMPAC players. As a defender, where they see players
:37:01. > :37:04.like back coming off the bench at half-time, it is like, let's have
:37:05. > :37:07.it. I see them coming off the bench and it is like, the game can change
:37:08. > :37:13.and they have turned it around for them. Imagine that he looked at you
:37:14. > :37:21.and said, OK, let's have it! Imagine. What about Stoke City? Is
:37:22. > :37:26.it a case of the season petering out? Definitely not, we have had a
:37:27. > :37:31.bad run of recent form. We have wanted to finish in the top half, we
:37:32. > :37:37.have had four defeats in a row and that is not good enough from ours.
:37:38. > :37:41.On another day, yesterday, we would have at least got a draw out of the
:37:42. > :37:45.game or perhaps won. Little things are not going right for us. Next
:37:46. > :37:49.Saturday we have whole city at home and it is a huge game for us. We
:37:50. > :37:53.really need a victory. We vowed not to mention the corner from Charlie
:37:54. > :37:57.Adams, because ultimately it was a free kick. If you were watching
:37:58. > :38:03.midway, has he recovered? Mark Hughes or the funny side. He must
:38:04. > :38:09.have got a lot of stick. He hands it out. To be fair. If there is one
:38:10. > :38:15.player I can imagine giving out stick, it is him. It was a free for
:38:16. > :38:21.us to give him abuse the next day. What do think is happening at Stoke
:38:22. > :38:25.City? They have had a good season, mid-table, players are just starting
:38:26. > :38:30.to take their foot from the gas. I think there is an element of that
:38:31. > :38:33.with all clubs. When we decide, everyone says how important it is to
:38:34. > :38:38.stay in the Premier League and when teams become safe and are not going
:38:39. > :38:42.to threaten, we have now got a big sex, I think in the past, we could
:38:43. > :38:49.have said every year it is a big three or a big four but now it is a
:38:50. > :38:52.big six, so the need them, there is that wedge of teams in the middle
:38:53. > :38:57.and once you are safe, I can understand it mentally, you do take
:38:58. > :39:03.your eye from the ball. West Brom are feeling the same. Exactly, they
:39:04. > :39:08.are in a familiar position, so maybe, it is that. I am not sure.
:39:09. > :39:13.Maybe Mark Hughes at the moment... Treading water is the wrong word,
:39:14. > :39:20.but every season trying to better ninth position or get higher than
:39:21. > :39:25.ninth position. 36 points. I think they are. If they are not, then half
:39:26. > :39:28.the table is in trouble. It is so close right in the middle of the
:39:29. > :39:32.league, if we can get a couple of victories together, then I think we
:39:33. > :39:36.are up to ninth place, eighth place or ninth place. It is so close in
:39:37. > :39:42.that middle half and can change quickly. The running, the remaining
:39:43. > :39:47.games for Stoke, but they are not overly difficult. Only one out of
:39:48. > :39:52.the top six left. I think teams in that area have to be stronger
:39:53. > :39:55.somehow. They have to go through periods of losing game after game
:39:56. > :39:58.after game and then suddenly turn it around and feel comfortable and
:39:59. > :40:09.happy with the season. Let's talk about Manchester City, you were
:40:10. > :40:13.there, they beat Hull. Our certain individuals playing for their
:40:14. > :40:19.futures? 100%. No doubt about that. It is like the headmaster is out
:40:20. > :40:24.there, Pep Guardiola is magnificent. He has seen the players who came
:40:25. > :40:29.off, the ones he is happy with, you will be here next season. He is very
:40:30. > :40:32.demanding. They were 2-0 up, he was screaming instructions, he wants the
:40:33. > :40:37.back four up and wants them to pay the complete game, I think the
:40:38. > :40:45.second goal, I think it was a record number of passes. Every player in
:40:46. > :40:48.the team had a touch. Incredible. It was a perfect gold from the point of
:40:49. > :40:54.view of the manager but I feel the goalkeeper needs to be changed for
:40:55. > :41:00.next season. You cannot go with him. It was not the greatest finishes. I
:41:01. > :41:02.know John Stone should come to the ball, but the goalkeeper should have
:41:03. > :41:06.saved it. There is lots of surgery to be done to that team but have
:41:07. > :41:14.some outstanding talent, the likes of sterling and Sergio Aguero and
:41:15. > :41:17.Sane. Yaya Toure is a mystery, I still feel he has something to offer
:41:18. > :41:22.and there might be a club going after him, and I wonder if Arsenal
:41:23. > :41:27.would go after him if he becomes available. Tax coming in about Kyle
:41:28. > :41:34.Neill Bravo. Surely Pep Guardiola understands that the goalkeeper as
:41:35. > :41:41.to stop the ball coming in rather than have good feet. Morton was at
:41:42. > :41:47.the game. I was not there, but Claudio Bravo is fantastic with his
:41:48. > :41:51.feet. Is he though? I don't know how good he is. The manager says he is.
:41:52. > :41:58.He has conceded seven goals from the past seven shots. Can you stop the
:41:59. > :42:02.ball going that way? And he has struggled in the last number of
:42:03. > :42:07.games. You save the amount of shots he has conceded and the amount of
:42:08. > :42:09.goals, it is simply not good enough. I think that department will
:42:10. > :42:15.definitely be lived at in the summer. There is definitely a boy
:42:16. > :42:21.there a goalkeeper. You were talking earlier about how Hugo Lloris has
:42:22. > :42:27.developed his skills, is that becoming more and more apparent. He
:42:28. > :42:33.makes great saves. Yes, he does. Bravo does not. Hugo Lloris was a
:42:34. > :42:37.great goalkeeper but now he has gone the next up with his feet. If you're
:42:38. > :42:41.playing for Pep Guardiola, you have to be good with your feet but you
:42:42. > :42:48.have to make great saves. Could Joe Hart not have done this, developed
:42:49. > :42:53.really well in this position? Whatever Pep Guardiola sees does not
:42:54. > :42:57.see in Jill Hart... It had to be the Euros. He just did not want him at
:42:58. > :43:00.the club, it did not give him a chance or an opportunity and reading
:43:01. > :43:06.the papers the last couple of days, is that one of his biggest mistakes,
:43:07. > :43:09.not keeping Joe Hart? Just a quick word on that massive three points
:43:10. > :43:14.yesterday for West Ham and Slaven Bilic. Huge pressure. You can see
:43:15. > :43:17.that pressure building up, huge three points for the owners as well
:43:18. > :43:22.because they were getting to the situation where they had to come out
:43:23. > :43:27.and back the manager and it did not look great. The vibes from Slaven
:43:28. > :43:32.Bilic are not great. Amazing, three points and we are saying they're OK.
:43:33. > :43:36.Swansea City in deep trouble. Yes. They had a really good period and
:43:37. > :43:41.now they have struggled in the last five or six games. Yesterday, their
:43:42. > :43:45.confidence looks pretty low as well. I saw them a few weeks ago and they
:43:46. > :43:52.had a problem at right back. Tactically, and he could not cope.
:43:53. > :43:55.Good to see you. Everton against Leicester City live on BBC Radio
:43:56. > :44:01.five live, Marden and I back with much of the day to later because
:44:02. > :44:04.Mark Chapman is at the Masters. Have a great day. Goodbye.