:00:34. > :00:39.Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra, we live this lunchtime
:00:40. > :00:45.on BBC Two, Radio 5 Live and on the BBC Sport website. There are some
:00:46. > :00:48.huge games in the Premier League across the afternoon, including
:00:49. > :00:52.Manchester United against Arsenal, we will analyse where it could be
:00:53. > :00:56.won and lost at Old Trafford. Spurs against Newcastle is just getting
:00:57. > :01:00.under way, we will have regular updates from White Hart Lane, and we
:01:01. > :01:04.will discuss that late penalty at Stamford Bridge, the fallout from
:01:05. > :01:10.Chelsea against West Brom, and the other major issues from yesterday.
:01:11. > :01:11.With me, former England and Arsenal centre half Martin Keown, Jonathan
:01:12. > :01:32.Pearce, who will be centre half Martin Keown, Jonathan
:01:33. > :01:36.Arsenal go into this game with no pressure on them and all on the
:01:37. > :01:39.hosts? I would not say that, since the start of the season when they
:01:40. > :01:44.lost against Aston Villa, there has been huge pressure on them, and it
:01:45. > :01:47.is no different now. They are growing as a group, and there is a
:01:48. > :01:51.gut feeling around that this could be there yet, but today will tell us
:01:52. > :01:56.a lot about that, because Manchester United will see this as a chance to
:01:57. > :02:01.wipe out all that has gone before, a great opportunity for them, but also
:02:02. > :02:04.for Arsenal to go there and enjoy the occasion. Plenty more on that
:02:05. > :02:10.much to come, you were at Anfield yesterday, Liverpool's success
:02:11. > :02:18.awful's failure? Gerard was exceptional, Suarez was magnificent,
:02:19. > :02:21.but Fulham were dreadful. I felt sorry for people like Scott Parker
:02:22. > :02:22.in midfield, trying to get things going, too many lightweight players,
:02:23. > :02:42.and on the going, too many lightweight players,
:02:43. > :02:45.Ashley Cole, who has missed the last two games, and I cannot rumba the
:02:46. > :02:50.last time that happened when he was fit, and that has implications for
:02:51. > :02:55.England, because there is fierce competition from Leighton Baines,
:02:56. > :03:00.and he played the last two World Cup qualifiers, so it is a big decision
:03:01. > :03:04.for Roy Hodgson. He has backed Joe Hart, no doubt what he will do
:03:05. > :03:11.there, but the Ashley Cole call is a big one. Lots to discuss, the show
:03:12. > :03:16.is going to last an hour on 5 Live and on the sport website, half an
:03:17. > :03:20.hour on BBC Two, then on the red button. It's the red button at half
:03:21. > :03:24.past 12 and you will be able to continue watching. One Premier
:03:25. > :03:28.League game is already under way at White Hart Lane, Spurs against
:03:29. > :03:30.Newcastle. John Southall will be keeping us up to date. Good
:03:31. > :03:52.afternoon, 0-0, two minutes played, keeping us up to date. Good
:03:53. > :03:55.medical staff and he's not ready, it is a precaution, but he is sitting
:03:56. > :03:59.in front of us among the substitutes. He is not involved this
:04:00. > :04:03.afternoon, so it is a difficult situation for Tottenham and for
:04:04. > :04:09.their manager. Early stages here, three minutes gone, a bright start
:04:10. > :04:15.from Tottenham, 0-0. Thank you very much. Focusing on the four o'clock
:04:16. > :04:17.game, you will be able to hear it live on Radio 5 Live, Manchester
:04:18. > :04:21.United against Arsenal, before we delve into it, the thought of the
:04:22. > :04:25.managers, starting with Arsene Wenger, who has responded to Wayne
:04:26. > :04:30.Rooney's comments that Arsenal have faded after Christmas. Usually, I
:04:31. > :04:41.think, after Christmas, we have been very strong every season. And for
:04:42. > :04:42.the rest, the comments are the comments, nobody knows what will
:04:43. > :05:02.happen in the future, comments, nobody knows what will
:05:03. > :05:06.now, at the top of the league, so I think their form at the start of the
:05:07. > :05:11.season has been very good, and they will come here in good spirit. But
:05:12. > :05:16.we have had some growing momentum, and we will look to put up a good
:05:17. > :05:21.show. It is, for us, a very, very important game, because we have come
:05:22. > :05:26.out with two strong results against Liverpool and Tottenham, and of
:05:27. > :05:32.course we want to do well again. We have confidence, that what is at
:05:33. > :05:36.stake is consistency at the top level for us and to be capable to
:05:37. > :05:42.repeat the performances we had in our last two games, that is what is
:05:43. > :05:46.at stake, and that will certainly as well be very important for the
:05:47. > :05:51.future for our team. Arsene Wenger and David Moyes there. The back page
:05:52. > :05:53.of the Sun has an interview with Mesut Ozil, where he says,
:05:54. > :06:16.is is boot sponsor, no, well done to the Sun to get that interview. It is
:06:17. > :06:19.11 points between Arsenal and United if Arsenal win, so that would be a
:06:20. > :06:24.monumental effort for United. I think people say it is early days,
:06:25. > :06:29.but I don't think that, we have had a quarter of the season, and I think
:06:30. > :06:32.although United would never give up on the leader, they will try to make
:06:33. > :06:37.sure that they are in the Champions League places. So, yeah, I will
:06:38. > :06:42.stick my neck on the line and say, if Arsenal win today, I do not think
:06:43. > :06:47.United will catch them. If you look at the big teams, they have flunked
:06:48. > :06:50.those tests, Man United. The big tests that Arsenal have had, well,
:06:51. > :06:56.they beat Liverpool and had a big win during the week. If Manchester
:06:57. > :06:59.United lose this game, there will be the biggest gap between them and the
:07:00. > :07:01.top play side at this stage of the season since 2005. I do not think
:07:02. > :07:21.they will season since 2005. I do not think
:07:22. > :07:25.are playing just as much against him as he worked against Manchester
:07:26. > :07:30.United. They have lost some of that or going into that called of 76,000
:07:31. > :07:33.people, it is a difficult environment. -- called run. Arsenal
:07:34. > :07:40.have been a difficult pressure situations, and I think they will
:07:41. > :07:43.cope adequately. Do you think it will be a cauldron this afternoon?
:07:44. > :07:48.You could argue that the Arsenal team you played were a lot easier to
:07:49. > :07:52.aid for Manchester United fans, but in many ways that is what I am
:07:53. > :08:09.saying. It was probably a lot easier to give you abuse than Meta --
:08:10. > :08:12.Mertesacker. There is a newness and a freshness in this Arsenal side,
:08:13. > :08:31.and the Premiership and bet for Manchester United but
:08:32. > :08:37.Koscielny has been intermittent spawn. I cannot see a way through.
:08:38. > :08:41.Rooney does remember those grudge matches, so does Ferdinand, and
:08:42. > :08:45.Arsenal have passed some big tests, but not against Rooney, who has
:08:46. > :08:49.scored 12 goals against them, that great goal against Everton when he
:08:50. > :08:52.was 16, he was involved in the penalty incident that brought the
:08:53. > :08:58.end of the invincible is run. Arsenal have never forgotten him for
:08:59. > :09:01.that one. It is about reading scripts on the day of the game,
:09:02. > :09:05.trying to work out what is going to happen, and someone wants to hone in
:09:06. > :09:09.on Rooney, because he wants to be the Special One. Van Persie needs to
:09:10. > :09:13.prove he made the right decision. The future is looking very good for
:09:14. > :09:19.Arsenal, is it looking good for Man United? How key is Mathieu flower
:09:20. > :09:20.mini? Without him, better teams than Norwich and Crystal Palace might
:09:21. > :09:44.have got something Norwich and Crystal Palace might
:09:45. > :09:47.Arsenal's kids exposed the floors in 30's legacy, talking about how
:09:48. > :09:59.Arsenal signed a lot of kids to five-year deals. -- exposed the
:10:00. > :10:02.flaws in 30's legacy. There was criticism of Arsene Wenger for not
:10:03. > :10:05.making the big marquee signing, but they were signing their British
:10:06. > :10:09.based on long-term contracts, and that has formed the basis, to an
:10:10. > :10:14.extent, of the team they have got at the moment. Where I would disagree
:10:15. > :10:19.with David issue if you take the characters that he say have left
:10:20. > :10:25.United, talking about Morrison, they had huge problems with them, they
:10:26. > :10:29.pinched Gerard Pique from Barcelona and he wanted to go back. He has
:10:30. > :10:32.given the lie to the theory that if you leave Manchester United, it is
:10:33. > :10:51.downhill from there. you leave Manchester United, it is
:10:52. > :10:55.through the system. But what they have done in the last few years is
:10:56. > :10:59.they have bought British players, Aaron Ramsey they pinched from
:11:00. > :11:05.United. United thought they had him, then bang made a big effort, flew
:11:06. > :11:12.him out to Switzerland. -- banger. They are getting the rewards for
:11:13. > :11:16.that. Signing all these new contracts, they can really compete.
:11:17. > :11:20.Mesut Ozil coming in, I think there will be that sort of marquee signing
:11:21. > :11:23.each time. There may be an opportunity in the transfer window
:11:24. > :11:27.to do that, although Arsene Wenger does not like to accept the harmony
:11:28. > :11:31.in the group. He will not want to take anything away from Olivier
:11:32. > :11:34.Giroud. But you can see how one player can... It seemed like
:11:35. > :11:39.everyone wanted to leave Arsenal, but now everybody wants to play,
:11:40. > :11:41.like there is great enjoyment. He is able to create an X Factor when the
:11:42. > :12:00.team is doing well that is second to able to create an X Factor when the
:12:01. > :12:05.managers denied admits out, they will be stronger next season, so
:12:06. > :12:11.will Chelsea. -- because if Manchester United miss out. We are
:12:12. > :12:17.off BBC Two at half 12, so hit the red button to keep watching us, we
:12:18. > :12:21.are also on Radio 5 Live. It is still goalless at White Hart Lane
:12:22. > :12:27.between Spurs and Newcastle. Chelsea 2, West Brom 2, that was banks to a
:12:28. > :12:31.very, very late penalty from Eden Hazard after Steven Reid was
:12:32. > :12:36.adjudged to have fouled Ramirez. We can get reaction from Stamford
:12:37. > :12:45.Bridge, Jose Mourinho in a moment, after we hear from him. My arms were
:12:46. > :12:49.by my side, he was keen to get the penalty. I watched on the screen,
:12:50. > :13:11.two or three times, and it was a clear penalty, the same way it was
:13:12. > :13:15.two or three times, and it was a European football. Well, you are all
:13:16. > :13:23.laughing at his comments there! Let's deal with the penalty, yes or
:13:24. > :13:26.no? No. Let's move on! As far as Chelsea are concerned, some
:13:27. > :13:29.interesting analysis on Match Of The Day last night about how narrow they
:13:30. > :13:34.are, how they are not getting runners around the back of the
:13:35. > :13:38.fences. Yes, he has got Hazard, the same sort of players, getting those
:13:39. > :13:42.talented players to work a lot harder, I think. He has made the
:13:43. > :13:45.team or difficult to beat, the last couple of results have not gone for
:13:46. > :13:48.them in the league, but I do not think they have got any natural
:13:49. > :13:52.width, and I think they missed Torres. I will be battered on
:13:53. > :13:59.Twitter for this, but I think they miss him. There has been a goal at
:14:00. > :14:01.White Hart Lane, John Southall. Tottenham gave the ball away in the
:14:02. > :14:21.centre circle, you want Tottenham gave the ball away in the
:14:22. > :14:27.through by Gouffran, a Newcastle side who are dressed like Brazil at
:14:28. > :14:31.White Hart Lane! Hugo Lloris would have been out on that like lightning
:14:32. > :14:36.with the extra suite at the back. Loic Remy switches from his right
:14:37. > :14:39.foot to his left and exposes Tottenham. It is difficult to read
:14:40. > :14:47.Tottenham, you think they have turned a corner, they lost at West
:14:48. > :14:50.Ham recently. As far as going back to Chelsea, though, would you agree
:14:51. > :14:55.with Jonathan, who might get hammered on Twitter for this, that
:14:56. > :15:01.they miss Fernando Torres? Mourinho is trying to evolve, he plays Damien
:15:02. > :15:05.Duff and Robin as wide players, now you have got Hazard coming off the
:15:06. > :15:10.line, so football has changed and evolved, it is about your midfield
:15:11. > :15:11.players. He is adapting, but talking about Ashley Cole not playing, it is
:15:12. > :15:33.like a political move to say, about Ashley Cole not playing, it is
:15:34. > :15:38.yesterday, that was very lucky. They are asking if Quetta is being turned
:15:39. > :15:42.into a left-back by Mourinho? Are there other factors at play? Add
:15:43. > :15:50.other factors to dropping Ashley Cole? There is an element of
:15:51. > :15:55.control, he has been fined, he tried to get him when he was at Real
:15:56. > :16:03.Madrid, suffer him to drop Ashley Cole for two games is a big deal. --
:16:04. > :16:08.so for him. Quetta is right footed, if he comes on the inside, that is a
:16:09. > :16:14.concern. But he spoke about Toros as well, we always say we miss his
:16:15. > :16:20.physicality, because he is quite a small, light attacking side. He did
:16:21. > :16:40.not want Tara is to start as his first choice, I was with
:16:41. > :16:42.not want Tara is to start as his have to do my best with him. You
:16:43. > :16:47.feel with Mourinho, his attitude is, we only have one chance to do
:16:48. > :16:51.it, he is really focused, Fernando Torres, you have to say, he gets
:16:52. > :16:56.more from them that he ever has, he is playing with real hunger at the
:16:57. > :17:01.moment. He has got difficulties that Chelsea try to be number one again.
:17:02. > :17:05.It is a difficult dressing room, and he is laying down the law. To come
:17:06. > :17:10.back to Ashley Cole again, if they are looking to get them, the
:17:11. > :17:18.forwards to drifting, so why does he not have him on there? They missed
:17:19. > :17:21.him yesterday, massively, it is a mistake. But it could be about egos,
:17:22. > :17:26.Chelsea is a difficult dressing room. The English lads are
:17:27. > :17:32.completely sidelined, it is more Fernando Torres, and last year, it
:17:33. > :17:49.was Fernando Torres, and last year, it
:17:50. > :17:53.power for some of the others. They are a team with an outstanding
:17:54. > :17:57.manager, both them and Arsenal have the managers that have done it
:17:58. > :18:02.before, and is uncertainty in the Premiership, and those two groups is
:18:03. > :18:09.probably have the best chance of winning. We are about to have an
:18:10. > :18:13.international rate with Chile and India for England, the important
:18:14. > :18:19.thing is looking at Ashley Cole on the Chelsea team. Ashley Cole had a
:18:20. > :18:23.fantastic England career, and he will go to the World Cup if he is
:18:24. > :18:27.fit, but because the games are spread out my things change from one
:18:28. > :18:32.match to the other, and with international careers, they do not
:18:33. > :18:37.end as people would like them to. In England's case, they often do not
:18:38. > :18:42.end with a trophy! But some people think, I've finished now and I will
:18:43. > :19:01.be there at this point, but places, and go quickly.
:19:02. > :19:05.be there at this point, but places, being put in, for instance. He just
:19:06. > :19:10.feels fantastic at the moment. We see it coming out in his game. It is
:19:11. > :19:13.development. It takes the English players longer. Lallana was one,
:19:14. > :19:18.every time you saw him, he made something happen, and stout is
:19:19. > :19:25.really controlling the games. Do you think Ashley Cole could play three
:19:26. > :19:31.games next summer? For England? I do. He is a winner. He will play.
:19:32. > :19:35.The point is, if he gets an injury, do we need Kieran Gibbs to have some
:19:36. > :19:45.runouts to get experience for the future? He doesn't have to play.
:19:46. > :19:50.Rooney, he doesn't have to play, but we feel that he does. Leighton
:19:51. > :20:11.Baines is an adequate replacement. You can
:20:12. > :20:15.Nevin is that the Stadium Of Light. Lots of discussion at the moment on
:20:16. > :20:20.the best strike partnership in the Premier league, I want to know, do
:20:21. > :20:31.you see Negredo and were is our partnership? Or is where to doing
:20:32. > :20:42.more than being a foil for Negredo? They can work together, but Aguero
:20:43. > :20:48.has a lot to work with. You also have the likes of Yaya Toure eight,
:20:49. > :21:00.but Negredo and Aguero work well together. It is less clear cut with
:21:01. > :21:02.Negredo and Aguero. Looking at the teams this season, there were the
:21:03. > :21:22.five teams this season, there were the
:21:23. > :21:30.that? Or other other problems when you look back at the games? Yes, we
:21:31. > :21:35.chatted before Manchester City and Chelsea and the reckons that a is
:21:36. > :21:42.with feedback area, which is fine, but that's not would be the big
:21:43. > :21:46.problem today. But it is not the Negredo, Aguero partnership, but it
:21:47. > :21:50.was a big surprise at Stamford Bridge when Manchester City turned
:21:51. > :21:54.up and Pellegrini did not start those two players. It almost said to
:21:55. > :21:58.me, he was not brave enough on that occasion. If you look at what
:21:59. > :22:02.Manchester City have done in the last few weeks, it is unbelievable
:22:03. > :22:07.that he should be afraid of anyone. You should go for it. If you want to
:22:08. > :22:09.win titles, you have got to go for it, so I hope that's Negredo and
:22:10. > :22:32.Aguero will start today and their it, so I hope that's Negredo and
:22:33. > :22:44.more on Sunderland. Is that important in this one? -- is daddy
:22:45. > :22:54.important in this one? I am a very big fan of silver, and also Aguero.
:22:55. > :23:01.If you have got the likes of Nasri to bring in, they should be able to
:23:02. > :23:07.cope with it against Sunderland. Thank you. Updates on BBC Radio five
:23:08. > :23:12.Live and Match Of The Day two later. You see silly mistakes, I can
:23:13. > :23:18.understand why Joleon Lescott has not been in that side longer. Garcia
:23:19. > :23:20.is good on that side. Lescott would give more experience. Miller needs
:23:21. > :23:40.to be in certain games when they give more experience. Miller needs
:23:41. > :23:44.invest. I think their problem, Pat is talking about the tactics,
:23:45. > :23:49.against Chelsea, they did not want to play two upfront. I thought that
:23:50. > :23:53.was a good call. They packed the midfield, but Garcia in midfield was
:23:54. > :23:59.not quite at the level. They have had other excellent additions in the
:24:00. > :24:02.squad, but I think Aguero is the standout player. They will play two
:24:03. > :24:09.up front today, there is no reason not to. Is Aguero nigh on importance
:24:10. > :24:14.to market, given the way he moves. Negredo, you can see that, he is at
:24:15. > :24:20.the front of the system, you can deal with him. It is more a case of
:24:21. > :24:24.two up front, if the central defenders are not facing, it is
:24:25. > :24:28.usually one player and one arriving from deep. One going short, one
:24:29. > :24:30.running in from behind, it is difficult to pick up. When Aguero
:24:31. > :24:50.has difficult to pick up. When Aguero
:24:51. > :24:53.few seasons ago. We are joined by Sam Wallace, Martin Keown and
:24:54. > :24:59.Jonathan Pearce. Let's talk to somebody that is heavily involved in
:25:00. > :25:04.the utterly's game, three points for Norwich against West Ham, their
:25:05. > :25:08.crucial second goal was scored by Robert Snodgrass, and he joins us
:25:09. > :25:13.now. Thank you for talking to us. Let's deal with the important thing
:25:14. > :25:19.is, your team-mates are obsessed on Twitter about your beard! I think it
:25:20. > :25:25.is the size of my nose, to be honest! Not my beard! You spoke
:25:26. > :25:28.about the number of meetings that you have had in the last few weeks
:25:29. > :25:34.to try and turn things around, what have you been saying in those
:25:35. > :25:39.meetings as a group of players? I think we're doing the right things.
:25:40. > :25:59.We are playing with a high tempo, we're passing the ball,
:26:00. > :26:02.We are playing with a high tempo, team-mates. Jonathan here, I did the
:26:03. > :26:06.game at Manchester City last week, you were not playing, because you
:26:07. > :26:13.had the head injury, but that was the most unlike Norwich in
:26:14. > :26:20.capitulation, can you speak about what happened? We had a brief
:26:21. > :26:26.meeting on the game, but they took all their chances. I do not speaking
:26:27. > :26:29.about a game when you do not play in it, because you do not want to
:26:30. > :26:34.criticise team-mates, but it was unlike Norwich because we worked
:26:35. > :26:40.very hard, and he had a good team effort. We had great character. That
:26:41. > :26:46.is what we have come up through the lower leagues with. It just wasn't
:26:47. > :26:48.like Norwich. The manager knew that. He put it to bed early doors. It was
:26:49. > :27:10.one of those games. As a footballer, brought in a lot of you to the club,
:27:11. > :27:15.and the fans, certain sections of the fans had been given him a bit of
:27:16. > :27:20.stick. Yes, when you see how hard the boys are working, the staff are
:27:21. > :27:25.working behind-the-scenes, it is hurtful. Even when we play against
:27:26. > :27:29.Cardiff, I thought we were a better side, by far the better side. The
:27:30. > :27:37.goalkeeper got Man of the Match, and the fans are giving stick and
:27:38. > :27:39.booing. I think it comes to added pressure with a bigger budget and a
:27:40. > :27:42.bigger spend this year. That is always the case. You do not get
:27:43. > :27:45.along time in the Premier League if you do not get the results, so the
:27:46. > :27:52.fans were obviously sensing the frustration, and it pays off to have
:27:53. > :27:56.good players, that is when men with character puff their chest out, and
:27:57. > :27:59.that is what we did yesterday. Their play to the boys, we got a good
:28:00. > :28:19.second result and three points. assume? Yes. I cannot really
:28:20. > :28:29.remember much about it! I just member the doctor at me. I had
:28:30. > :28:38.remember much about it! I just coming out of my mouth, I can a much
:28:39. > :28:42.about it. -- foam. The goalkeeper as well, he looked after me. But it is
:28:43. > :28:48.a situation well, he looked after me. But it is
:28:49. > :28:53.to the medical side, they know best. They test you every day to see how
:28:54. > :28:59.you are feeling. Over the next few days after that, you fill out
:29:00. > :29:09.markers to see how you are feeling every day. I believe that is the
:29:10. > :29:11.case with all footballers. Thank you for joining us and for being so