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0:00:37 > 0:00:40A huge day of football.
0:00:40 > 0:00:42Joining me today, former Newcastle and Manchester City
0:00:42 > 0:00:43goalkeeper Shay Given, Andy Cole, who won five
0:00:43 > 0:00:45Premier League titles with Manchester United,
0:00:45 > 0:00:50and the Times' chief football writer, Henry Winter.
0:00:50 > 0:00:59Plenty for you to discuss. Send us a text on 85058. Use the hash tag
0:00:59 > 0:01:04#bbcfootball. This lunchtime we will be discussing derby day.
0:01:04 > 0:01:06We'll discuss the Manchester derby, arguably the biggest game
0:01:06 > 0:01:10of the season so far, which is live on 5 Live at 4.30pm.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12We'll also be at Anfield ahead of the Merseyside derby,
0:01:12 > 0:01:14with Liverpool playing Sam Allardyce's Everton at 2.15pm.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17Updates from Southampton against Arsenal.
0:01:17 > 0:01:23They have had just over 15 minutes and Southampton lead 1-0. Charlie
0:01:23 > 0:01:24Austin with the goal.
0:01:24 > 0:01:26And we'll talk penalties after Christian Benteke insisted
0:01:26 > 0:01:29to take and then missed one in injury time as Palace
0:01:29 > 0:01:34drew with Bournemouth.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37As far as the papers are concerned...
0:01:37 > 0:01:40The Express, "You can Conte us out", with Antonio Conte conceding Chelsea
0:01:40 > 0:01:43won't retain their title after a fourth defeat of the season
0:01:43 > 0:01:47yesterday at West Ham.
0:01:47 > 0:01:49The Mirror, "Cynical City", with Jose Mourinho urging referee
0:01:49 > 0:01:51Michael Oliver to clamp down on the cynical side
0:01:51 > 0:01:58of Pep Guardiola's team and what he calls "tactical fouls".
0:01:58 > 0:02:00The Sun, "Top dogs, dirty dogs", with Vincent Kompany claiming
0:02:00 > 0:02:02City have been top dogs since Sir Alex Ferguson retired,
0:02:02 > 0:02:10whilst also referencing those Jose Mourinho quotes.
0:02:10 > 0:02:17We will come to the Manchester on Merseyside derbies in a moment.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21Details from Southampton. Southampton lead 1-0, played 18
0:02:21 > 0:02:26minutes. A really good start to this game. Charlie Austin got the goal
0:02:26 > 0:02:31within two minutes, 1-2 with recent adage after a mistake by Per
0:02:31 > 0:02:38Mertesacker. Both sides have had chances since. Arsenal a moment ago
0:02:38 > 0:02:43with the ball inside Southampton's penalty area. Flowing counterattack
0:02:43 > 0:02:47from Southampton: ending with a last-minute tackle. Chris Sutton
0:02:47 > 0:02:56alongside me.A really good start. Arsenal did not start the game well,
0:02:56 > 0:03:01Per Mertesacker, Charlie Austin made him pay. Southampton have started
0:03:01 > 0:03:08the brighter, they should have been two up. Charlie Austin missed one.
0:03:08 > 0:03:13Petr Cech made a smart save.Arsenal feeling the way back into it.
0:03:13 > 0:03:22Defensively, concerning so far from the home side. 90 minutes played.
0:03:22 > 0:03:26Saints 1-0 Arsenal.Chris Sutton sounded like he is merely enjoying
0:03:26 > 0:03:32himself! We will have plenty of updates over the next 45 minutes on
0:03:32 > 0:03:38MOTD2 Extra. Manchester United at home to City, the derby. City clear
0:03:38 > 0:03:45of the united by eight points at the moment. If they lose this, United,
0:03:45 > 0:03:50that is the title?It will be very difficult to win it if someone goes
0:03:50 > 0:03:5411 points clear mid-December, very difficult. Manchester United have to
0:03:54 > 0:03:59go into the game thinking they have to win it. Home team, that is what
0:03:59 > 0:04:06you have to do anyway.When it or not lose it?Win it. If they draw,
0:04:06 > 0:04:09eight points adrift. If they play like they did last week, they will
0:04:09 > 0:04:16have a chance.There is therefore a freedom for City but in every game
0:04:16 > 0:04:21there is a freedom for City, does not matter, they do not alter their
0:04:21 > 0:04:30style.That is Pep Guardiola's management style, from Barcelona and
0:04:30 > 0:04:35myBayern Munich. Today will be gone meat no different.They will play
0:04:35 > 0:04:42expansive fantastic football, they have done or season. -- I fancy
0:04:42 > 0:04:49City.What do you make... Loads of the pack pages have gone with it,
0:04:49 > 0:04:58two days ago, City's players go over with a gust of wind, now if they
0:04:58 > 0:05:03lose the ball, they commit tactical fouls?Jose Mourinho said it in the
0:05:03 > 0:05:07past, the match begins in the press conference. This happened in Spain.
0:05:07 > 0:05:13He wants the press conference to be at the same time as Pep Guardiola's.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17Lunchtime in Manchester, the two of them. So that they could not react
0:05:17 > 0:05:22to what the other was saying. What Jose Mourinho did, very clever, the
0:05:22 > 0:05:27live stuff, he talked about the Manchester City players going down,
0:05:27 > 0:05:32if there is a bit of wind around, so he got the point to Michael Oliver
0:05:32 > 0:05:36about Man City players diving which went to the back pages of the
0:05:36 > 0:05:46Saturday, then he talk to the Sunday newspapers, tactical fouling. Jose
0:05:46 > 0:05:53Mourinho has probably got a check list, diving, tactical fouling...
0:05:53 > 0:05:56Classic Jose Mourinho, putting pressure on Michael Oliver.
0:05:56 > 0:06:00Therefore, if Michael Oliver got something wrong today, he is partly
0:06:00 > 0:06:05responsible, for piling on the pressure?But he is very clever
0:06:05 > 0:06:10because he just says enough without necessarily stirring the FA
0:06:10 > 0:06:13disciplinary group. Technically, he is not supposed to talk about the
0:06:13 > 0:06:18referee in advance. He is putting the pressure on the referee by
0:06:18 > 0:06:22talking about the Man City players. We all know his players do it as
0:06:22 > 0:06:26well.What I would say, Michael is one of the best referees in the
0:06:26 > 0:06:30league and he will not be fazed by it. You could argue he is stepping
0:06:30 > 0:06:34out of line by making these comments before the game because the game
0:06:34 > 0:06:38does not need building up, biggest of the season, he is maybe trying to
0:06:38 > 0:06:43get away from, I don't know, as Henry says, putting the pressure on
0:06:43 > 0:06:53officials.Players
0:06:54 > 0:06:57will not be bothered by this, will they?Not at all.It is a nonsense.
0:06:57 > 0:07:00Your manager can say what they need to up the press conference, day
0:07:00 > 0:07:03before the game, whatever, once the team's walk-out, the managers,
0:07:03 > 0:07:05irrelevant, the players have to produce the goals, passing
0:07:05 > 0:07:13movements.Going back to... We can go and talk to the tactical side of
0:07:13 > 0:07:20the game, use a must win for Man United, do you expect them to go at
0:07:20 > 0:07:27City from the start? -- you say it is a must win. You expect them to
0:07:27 > 0:07:32sit back and defend and blast them on the break?I could see that
0:07:32 > 0:07:35today, late counterattacking football. They have the pace up
0:07:35 > 0:07:40front. I was saying fair earlier, early goal, it opens up the game,
0:07:40 > 0:07:47just like it did last week. -- I was saying off air earlier. Hopefully,
0:07:47 > 0:07:52we get that, otherwise it will be very tactical. It makes a big
0:07:52 > 0:07:57difference who gets the first goal. Will City be vulnerable to the
0:07:57 > 0:08:02counterattack, given there will be space arguably to exploit behind the
0:08:02 > 0:08:08full-backs, certainly Kyle Walker...?My concern from the City
0:08:08 > 0:08:12point of view would be set plays with the height Man United have the
0:08:12 > 0:08:16advantage over Man City. If they get the right delivery with Romelu
0:08:16 > 0:08:22Lukaku and the likes, Aaron Fulani might come in, don't know the team
0:08:22 > 0:08:32yet, physically, they are stronger in the air -- Maroney Fellini. I do
0:08:32 > 0:08:39not know if the fans would accept that, or, do you think they are
0:08:39 > 0:08:43superior at the minute? I don't know.Big decision. I would be very
0:08:43 > 0:08:49surprised. Old Trafford. You cannot do it at Old Trafford. But I am not
0:08:49 > 0:08:55the manager. It is a lot easier for me to say. When you play at Old
0:08:55 > 0:08:59Trafford you have to go out and win games. Man City plagues well, you
0:08:59 > 0:09:03still have to say, we need to win. Such a massive game is so easy in
0:09:03 > 0:09:10this -- Man City playing so well, you still have to say, we need to
0:09:10 > 0:09:16win, such a massive game so early in the season.There is this whole
0:09:16 > 0:09:22thing about the Manchester City being vulnerable about set pieces,
0:09:22 > 0:09:35they miss John Stones, fantastic season. But it was the West Ham goal
0:09:35 > 0:09:39for Ogbonna.Huddersfield scored from a corner as well.Deflected
0:09:39 > 0:09:48goal. In recent weeks, they have only conceded two this season.That
0:09:48 > 0:09:51is their slight vulnerability. Post-match interview last week after
0:09:51 > 0:09:58the win over West Ham, Pep Guardiola said to the BBC that if they are
0:09:58 > 0:10:01vulnerable at set pieces, the easiest thing is not to concede the
0:10:01 > 0:10:06set pieces which I imagine is maybe easier said than done in the heat of
0:10:06 > 0:10:10a Manchester derby.Man United will have to come and attack and it is
0:10:10 > 0:10:14inevitable they will get corners and free kicks. They have to stand up to
0:10:14 > 0:10:21that, Man City.A couple of things from the papers today, the Mail on
0:10:21 > 0:10:24Sunday, this is the one I have read, a really good interview with Raheem
0:10:24 > 0:10:32Sterling about how he has learnt, how he has developed his game. You
0:10:32 > 0:10:35talk to him on England duty as well, is this the Raheem Sterling you
0:10:35 > 0:10:40recognise?This is the Raheem Sterling I recognise since he has
0:10:40 > 0:10:45been working with Pep Guardiola. You hear the stories from training about
0:10:45 > 0:10:50how Pep Guardiola works with him, almost physically moving him around.
0:10:50 > 0:10:5513 goals this season, the sort of goals, you question his
0:10:55 > 0:10:59decision-making in the past, some of his movement, now, he is pausing
0:10:59 > 0:11:06before shooting, looking...The quote in this on his finishing is
0:11:06 > 0:11:13brilliant. He said, before it was pure excitement. My God, I in front
0:11:13 > 0:11:20of goal! About to score. I have missed. He says, candidly. I always
0:11:20 > 0:11:24looked back at the chances afterwards and asked, why am I
0:11:24 > 0:11:27rushing? Why are my legs moving so quickly? When he scored in the
0:11:27 > 0:11:31Champions League, he said, I had a look to see where the keeper was and
0:11:31 > 0:11:37I knew I had an extra second, I took my time, I relaxed, I looked where I
0:11:37 > 0:11:42could put the ball in the... In the past, I would have just kicked it.
0:11:42 > 0:11:47It sounds like he is teaching himself patients. Which I am
0:11:47 > 0:11:54assuming you found naturally. You were an out and out finisher.When
0:11:54 > 0:11:59you read that earlier on, I was at home having a chuckle. When you are
0:11:59 > 0:12:04there, you have more time than you think. People think, you have a
0:12:04 > 0:12:08split second. If you are relaxed, you have longer. Some of his
0:12:08 > 0:12:12finishing, he is changing his mind. Already celebrating before he kicks
0:12:12 > 0:12:17the ball. You can't. Now he is improving, week in, week out.
0:12:17 > 0:12:22Sometimes he has been made scapegoat, in good positions, not
0:12:22 > 0:12:27taking chances.Did you find at the start of your career, Bristol City
0:12:27 > 0:12:32days, even Arsenal as a kid, where you always relaxed in front of goal?
0:12:32 > 0:12:36Did you get more relaxed more experience?Yeah, of course. But
0:12:36 > 0:12:40once you are in no, you know how much time you have. Ultimately, if
0:12:40 > 0:12:47the defender makes the tackle, otherwise, it is a penalty. You go
0:12:47 > 0:12:51to whatever: you believe it is right. He was shooting as quickly as
0:12:51 > 0:12:56possible.Michael Owen makes the point that school football is really
0:12:56 > 0:13:01important because then you are probably the best player there and
0:13:01 > 0:13:07you will get ten chances. Academy football, you get two, three. He
0:13:07 > 0:13:10says one of the reasons he got all the records was because he had
0:13:10 > 0:13:15chance after chance. As Andy says, he was calm in the box because he
0:13:15 > 0:13:20knew another chance would come soon. In many ways, one of the reasons why
0:13:20 > 0:13:24Raheem Sterling has had to teach himself that or partly be coached
0:13:24 > 0:13:29about that is because finishing is not the natural thing for him when
0:13:29 > 0:13:35he was a winner.Getting in fantastic positions last season,
0:13:35 > 0:13:40fluffing his lines, he even says to himself he was panicking, now like a
0:13:40 > 0:13:44totally different player. One-on-one with the goalkeeper, he says
0:13:44 > 0:13:47himself, he has the calmness to finish and I think a lot comes from
0:13:47 > 0:13:51the manager. Pep Guardiola is saying, I believe in you. You can
0:13:51 > 0:13:55only get better and improve. Raheem Sterling this season has been one of
0:13:55 > 0:13:59the players of the season.The other thing Man City fans probably will
0:13:59 > 0:14:04not like in the article but is kind of refreshing when it comes to
0:14:04 > 0:14:10British football, looking at the bigger picture, him wanting to play
0:14:10 > 0:14:15abroad for his own development. City fans do not want to hear it. But not
0:14:15 > 0:14:18enough British footballers say that. Man City have fantastic players
0:14:18 > 0:14:25coming through. Raheem Sterling is not one of their own. He does not
0:14:25 > 0:14:29have that instinct of loyalty necessarily. I think it is
0:14:29 > 0:14:33fantastic. The more English players who go overseas, the better it will
0:14:33 > 0:14:36be for their development personally and professionally and the better
0:14:36 > 0:14:38for the national team. Very interesting he's doing these
0:14:38 > 0:14:43interviews because he is trying to change his image, not his image, he
0:14:43 > 0:14:47was almost the poster boy for England's failings at the last
0:14:47 > 0:14:50tournament which was unfair because there were so many issues behind the
0:14:50 > 0:14:55scenes and with the manager and other players.Arguably, through how
0:14:55 > 0:14:59certain newspapers treated him...On one side, I would not dispute that.
0:14:59 > 0:15:04Some of the criticism was wrong. When he was getting that criticism
0:15:04 > 0:15:07in the Euros, Pep Guardiola called him up and said, I cannot wait to
0:15:07 > 0:15:15work with you. Shay's point about how important the manager is is very
0:15:15 > 0:15:21important.From Man United's point of view, who is most important for
0:15:21 > 0:15:26them this afternoon, Romelu Lukaku, Anthony Marciano or Jesse Lingard
0:15:26 > 0:15:36assuming that is the three that play together?
0:15:36 > 0:15:43The three of them. The way those three played last week, that's what
0:15:43 > 0:15:47you want to see some looking at that, I will say they are all going
0:15:47 > 0:15:53to be very big assets for Manchester United this afternoon.Pogba is a
0:15:53 > 0:16:02massive loss and it's a huge advantage to Man City. He will
0:16:02 > 0:16:07probably be at Old Trafford twiddling his thumbs, thinking why
0:16:07 > 0:16:14aren't I on the pitch.And I agree with you, so why has Graeme Souness
0:16:14 > 0:16:22written, Pogba ban can only help United.I don't know, Graeme Souness
0:16:22 > 0:16:25is an old-fashioned, fantastic midfielder don't get me wrong, but
0:16:25 > 0:16:32the game has changed so much. It's quicker. Graeme Souness is a hard
0:16:32 > 0:16:37tackling midfielder so him and Pogba are totally different players.Every
0:16:37 > 0:16:46time I mention that column, you giggle.I think Graeme has a bee in
0:16:46 > 0:16:51his bonnet about Pogba. He's played really well at the back end of last
0:16:51 > 0:16:57season and for some reason Graeme doesn't see him as a proper player
0:16:57 > 0:17:04midfield. I don't know why.He goes on to say United are defensively
0:17:04 > 0:17:22better without him him. He's all over the place, positionally.I
0:17:22 > 0:17:24think Manchester United are completely different team when they
0:17:24 > 0:17:33have his dynamism. The way he destroyed Koscielny with setting up
0:17:33 > 0:17:40the goal. I think there is a bit of old school, you can't imagine Graeme
0:17:40 > 0:17:47Souness wanting to have an in MotoGP of himself. But that's this
0:17:47 > 0:18:00generation, I think it's fantastic. -- an emoji of himself.That would
0:18:00 > 0:18:10be hilarious, Graeme Souness having his own emoji! Never justified over
0:18:10 > 0:18:18a season his transfer fee. Fill in Northwich, City fans moaning
0:18:18 > 0:18:20a season his transfer fee. Fill in Northwich, City fans moaning, at
0:18:20 > 0:18:27least we have a bus to park and not broken down defence. Get in touch.
0:18:27 > 0:18:33Let's find out if Southampton Arsenal are still entertaining.It
0:18:33 > 0:18:38certainly is. Southampton still leading 1-0. Arsenal have crept back
0:18:38 > 0:18:42into the game in the last five minutes and have their best
0:18:42 > 0:18:46opportunity. Aaron Ramsey, a pull-back to him, driven towards the
0:18:46 > 0:18:57bottom corner. And the keeper got done so sharply to save it.Yes,
0:18:57 > 0:19:03right back in it now, on the edge of the box. They are pinning
0:19:03 > 0:19:07Southampton back. It's all Arsenal at the moment, if you are
0:19:07 > 0:19:18Southampton you just want to get a half-time.Great game, it really is.
0:19:18 > 0:19:24Still 13 minutes to go until half-time.
0:19:24 > 0:19:26There's also the Merseyside derby this afternoon.
0:19:26 > 0:19:27Liverpool versus Everton at 2.15pm.
0:19:27 > 0:19:32Steve Wilson's at Anfield for Match Of The Day 2.
0:19:32 > 0:19:39Here we are at Anfield, with Mark Lawrenson. Local difficulty coming
0:19:39 > 0:19:44up here between Liverpool and Everton, the first of two and the
0:19:44 > 0:19:47Cup draw has added piquancy to this fixture but it never really needs
0:19:47 > 0:19:53it.No, and I think as well the build-up has been interesting when
0:19:53 > 0:19:58you consider that Everton played on the Thursday night but no one who's
0:19:58 > 0:20:03going to play probably played on the Thursday night and Sam didn't go. I
0:20:03 > 0:20:07think he will turn up with a plan whether that's in terms of formation
0:20:07 > 0:20:12or what remains to be seen. What's interesting from Liverpool's point
0:20:12 > 0:20:22of view is the fab four, whether they can maintain the kind of form
0:20:22 > 0:20:26they have shown because they have been brilliant. I would say with
0:20:26 > 0:20:31Liverpool, they are the best team in the league is considering the wave
0:20:31 > 0:20:34Manchester City have just got over the line with some of the games.You
0:20:34 > 0:20:38have played in enough of these games to know sometimes the football game
0:20:38 > 0:20:42doesn't break out in some of these Merseyside derbies and that would
0:20:42 > 0:20:48suit Everton.Yes, but I would say in my day they throw the ball on
0:20:48 > 0:20:52after half an hour, that's obviously no longer. Everton completely
0:20:52 > 0:21:05changed the system and were lucky to get nil. Up they will have to be
0:21:05 > 0:21:09confident. It will be interesting to see whether Liverpool can have the
0:21:09 > 0:21:14time and space to knock the ball about. I suggest probably not.And
0:21:14 > 0:21:19of course Sam Allardyce is the last manager to have come here and won,
0:21:19 > 0:21:25he did that with Crystal Palace in April.Doesn't count.But he will go
0:21:25 > 0:21:31back to that blueprint and tried to recreate the performance if they
0:21:31 > 0:21:36can.Everyone knows what he's about, he's a good manager in these
0:21:36 > 0:21:40situations so I suggest they will probably go along, he will hate me
0:21:40 > 0:21:44for saying that but try to win all the second balls. He will definitely
0:21:44 > 0:21:50have a plan. Before these games we generally get to find out what the
0:21:50 > 0:21:54teams are and the systems, not anything coming out of Goodison Park
0:21:54 > 0:22:03so he's definitely got a plan. Liverpool have scored 40 goals in 11
0:22:03 > 0:22:08games, Manchester City have scored 23 goals in their last 11 games so
0:22:08 > 0:22:14Liverpool have scored 17 more games than rampaging Manchester City.It
0:22:14 > 0:22:17is now rampaging Liverpool. Liverpool are the best team in the
0:22:17 > 0:22:21league in terms of football they play and I would suggest they are
0:22:21 > 0:22:27every neutral supporter's favourite team.But they are not going to
0:22:27 > 0:22:35catch Manchester City.They're not. Every time Mark Lawrenson said
0:22:35 > 0:22:39Liverpool were the best team in the league, you looked like you are
0:22:39 > 0:22:46going to punch me! It's not me saying it.I can understand it but
0:22:46 > 0:22:53they are 14 points behind Manchester City. It's wrong! If Liverpool are
0:22:53 > 0:22:5914 points clear then yes, it's a no-brainer. If Manchester City win
0:22:59 > 0:23:03today, for me they will probably win the league. Liverpool are long way
0:23:03 > 0:23:13off.She didn't like the fab four journalism, but what are we going to
0:23:13 > 0:23:25call them? The awesome foursome. They are fantastic going forward, I
0:23:25 > 0:23:30still think you would pick the majority of Manchester City's
0:23:30 > 0:23:35defence ahead of Liverpool's. I think there's a Manchester City's
0:23:35 > 0:23:40team which Liverpool have still got to do. There is still a debate about
0:23:40 > 0:23:45whether Henderson should be starting in midfield.Why do you think there
0:23:45 > 0:23:52is that? He's Liverpool captain, why is there a debate around it?If you
0:23:52 > 0:23:56talk to Liverpool fans, some of them feel that when you have this
0:23:56 > 0:23:59attacking potential, let rip quickly and he can sometimes take extra
0:23:59 > 0:24:10time. Actually he's pretty good, certainly a developing player.So if
0:24:10 > 0:24:17you have the pace up front, Andrew, I want the ball quickly?Definitely.
0:24:17 > 0:24:27As a centre forward, wide, all the boys want it quickly because they
0:24:27 > 0:24:32want to punish the defence quickly. You take the extra run, straightaway
0:24:32 > 0:24:36you are getting down about it. I know what you're saying about
0:24:36 > 0:24:40Henderson because sometimes he gets the extra touch, he's not the Steven
0:24:40 > 0:24:47Gerrard who can get it at his feet and go.At the risk of angering you
0:24:47 > 0:24:50again, Shay, since Liverpool were thumped by Spurs at the end of
0:24:50 > 0:24:55September they have conceded just three in the league since then, won
0:24:55 > 0:25:00seven out of nine and drew the other two so they have four. The defensive
0:25:00 > 0:25:07statistic might surprise people. Yes, because when they concede a
0:25:07 > 0:25:16goal, they were 3-0 in Europe against Seville, then came back to
0:25:16 > 0:25:233-3, when you say that three goals in the last number of games that's
0:25:23 > 0:25:27very good defensive work by the whole team so maybe Klopp has worked
0:25:27 > 0:25:34on it and improved on it. Maybe three months ago they would have won
0:25:34 > 0:25:397-3, they have tightened things up. It's whether he plays a right back
0:25:39 > 0:25:46and Clement has been decent in recent games.Let's talk Everton. We
0:25:46 > 0:25:53can hear from Gini Wijnaldum. Back-to-back home wins, scoring
0:25:53 > 0:25:58plenty of goals, is this the best place you have felt in Everton this
0:25:58 > 0:26:03season?I think so, we were up to a very slow start but hopefully things
0:26:03 > 0:26:07are turning round now. There's more confidence in the team, more
0:26:07 > 0:26:11passivity around the players so it's on the right track.Sam Allardyce
0:26:11 > 0:26:14got an incredibly good reception when he walked out just before
0:26:14 > 0:26:20kick-off, what's it been like with him?It's been good, he knows what
0:26:20 > 0:26:32he wants.18 years since Everton won at Anfield, that's far too long,
0:26:32 > 0:26:36isn't it?You are speaking to someone from Iceland where you are
0:26:36 > 0:26:43probably the underdog in all of the games. I know anything is possible
0:26:43 > 0:26:46in football and if he can carry on what we've been doing in the last
0:26:46 > 0:26:52couple of games, we will have a good chance of getting a good result.He
0:26:52 > 0:26:58talks about the underdog, should Everton be the underdog?What, in
0:26:58 > 0:27:03this fixture? Yes. In terms of what's happened this season, in
0:27:03 > 0:27:09terms of the uncertainty of the manager.This season, fair enough.
0:27:09 > 0:27:16The bigger picture? Should be still be underdogs?Yes, absolutely. I
0:27:16 > 0:27:20think so. Looking at it historically they have fantastic periods in their
0:27:20 > 0:27:25history, Liverpool over the last 40 years have had fantastic periods and
0:27:25 > 0:27:31maybe it suits Sam Allardyce to play up the underdog thing. It's
0:27:31 > 0:27:35interesting to see how quickly they have responded. It's going to be
0:27:35 > 0:27:43interesting to see how Pickford plays today, because Joe Hart
0:27:43 > 0:27:46missing at the weekend, he will still be England's number one but
0:27:46 > 0:27:54it's a big game for Pickford.How can Joe Hart continue to be
0:27:54 > 0:27:58England's number one if he isn't playing for West Ham when Gareth
0:27:58 > 0:28:03Southgate has said he needs his players to be playing club football?
0:28:03 > 0:28:09I think Gareth Southgate is probably hoping reporters are not checking
0:28:09 > 0:28:14back. Exactly that, he's going to be accused of inconsistency. He's also
0:28:14 > 0:28:22said he will go into the World Cup the most experienced player, with
0:28:22 > 0:28:33the most caps, as captain.But slightly off the subject, just on
0:28:33 > 0:28:37that, Joe Hart can't be England's goalkeeper in the World Cup if he
0:28:37 > 0:28:47isn't playing for West Ham when Pickford, Butland... There are
0:28:47 > 0:28:53English keepers playing week in week out.I think Jordan would struggle
0:28:53 > 0:28:57starting the World Cup but it's only one game so if you drop one game, it
0:28:57 > 0:29:02is still seven months to the World Cup. Nearer the time would be the
0:29:02 > 0:29:07time to make the decision, not mid December. Joe Hart is an experienced
0:29:07 > 0:29:12goalkeeper. In tournament football as well. Pickford and the others
0:29:12 > 0:29:17have never played in tournament football before. Joe Hart will know
0:29:17 > 0:29:20himself, if he's not playing for West Ham for the rest of the season,
0:29:20 > 0:29:25not saying he wouldn't, but if he didn't he would struggle in the
0:29:25 > 0:29:30World Cup.When Everton beat West Ham in the midweek game a couple of
0:29:30 > 0:29:35weeks ago when Rooney was deeper, do you think you will be deeper for
0:29:35 > 0:29:39Everton this season now?I would imagine so. After that performance
0:29:39 > 0:29:43as well, after some performances early on this season, I think that
0:29:43 > 0:29:47his strongest position. He can virtually dictate the game from that
0:29:47 > 0:29:53area. Some of its finishing, Wayne Rooney of old, he's still quality
0:29:53 > 0:30:08player. Everton, the problem is for me, Lukaku. You have got to play a
0:30:08 > 0:30:15centre forward if you buy him.If you play Rooney even deeper, you can
0:30:15 > 0:30:19get Sigurdsson.The positive I suppose is he probably wouldn't be
0:30:19 > 0:30:24playing through the middle. A player who did well at the end of last
0:30:24 > 0:30:27season for Everton, then seemed to fall out of favour with Ronald
0:30:27 > 0:30:31Koeman for whatever reason.
0:30:31 > 0:30:40It seemed Ronald Koeman said, I don't like you. Cumani cars. Maybe
0:30:40 > 0:30:45he could have got a hat-trick. Keeper made a couple of good saves
0:30:45 > 0:30:53as well -- Niasse. Pace on the counterattack, that might be a
0:30:53 > 0:30:57weapon Ronald Koeman might look out for.Can you see them getting
0:30:57 > 0:31:07anything out of it?They might, it might be tough.Always a dangerous
0:31:07 > 0:31:15position to be in when you start agreeing with Lawro!It is going to
0:31:15 > 0:31:23be difficult.I cannot see it. I hate to mention the fab four.
0:31:23 > 0:31:29Nothing for Everton for you?He has improved the defence, you can see it
0:31:29 > 0:31:32with Ashley Williams and's performances, but Liverpool are
0:31:32 > 0:31:39frightening going forward.Christian Benteke was influential that day, he
0:31:39 > 0:31:44was also influential yesterday, but for the wrong reasons, we will talk
0:31:44 > 0:31:49about his performance for Palace after a half-time update at St
0:31:49 > 0:31:53Mary's.Classy goal from Charlie Austin is the difference.
0:31:53 > 0:32:00Southampton leading 1-0. Charlie Austin's goal was a combination with
0:32:00 > 0:32:04Tadic and a good finish from the front man. His fifth of the season.
0:32:04 > 0:32:11He could have had a second soon after. Arsenal's best chance was a
0:32:11 > 0:32:15shot from Chris Ramsey wonderfully saved by Fraser Forster. Both sides
0:32:15 > 0:32:21looked vulnerable to the other side's counterattacks.Sloppy start
0:32:21 > 0:32:25by Arsenal. Well taken goal by Charlie Austin. They should have
0:32:25 > 0:32:31been 2-0 up. Arsenal have come back into it, smart save from Fraser
0:32:31 > 0:32:35Forster, Arsenal finished the stronger, but Southampton look a
0:32:35 > 0:32:40threat on the break.Arsenal missing the chance to go back into the top
0:32:40 > 0:32:43four this lunchtime.Plenty of updates on the second half through
0:32:43 > 0:32:50the course of the afternoon. Goalless in the Scottish Premiership
0:32:50 > 0:32:56lunchtime game. Text from a Roy in Peterborough, when Royal Palace get
0:32:56 > 0:33:02a real striker? Christian Benteke has been a waste of money. -- when
0:33:02 > 0:33:06will Palace. Roy Hodgson admitted afterwards he was not supposed to
0:33:06 > 0:33:10take the penalty.It is fairly obvious, my thoughts. The management
0:33:10 > 0:33:14decide who the penalty takers are and we do not expect players in the
0:33:14 > 0:33:18course of the game to change those decisions. But we are not on the
0:33:18 > 0:33:21pitch. Had it been a training session, we could have done
0:33:21 > 0:33:28something. It was a Premier League game and although we tried to shout
0:33:28 > 0:33:32out our instructions, they did not get as far as the penalty spot.Is
0:33:32 > 0:33:36there an argument he should have shouted louder?No argument at all
0:33:36 > 0:33:44from me. The penalty taker is your penalty taker. You need those three
0:33:44 > 0:33:50points. I am not sure why Christian Benteke thought he could take it.Is
0:33:50 > 0:33:54the responsibility from all of the players to stand up to Benteke and
0:33:54 > 0:33:59say, you are not the penalty taker, you are not taking this?There
0:33:59 > 0:34:04should be no confusion, I agree with Andrew. They have lost two points,
0:34:04 > 0:34:08they could be crucial at the end of the season, they could get relegated
0:34:08 > 0:34:12or stay up on the back of it. Roy Hodgson is fuming. Bubbling
0:34:12 > 0:34:18underneath. He has given the penalty taker... Benteke should not be
0:34:18 > 0:34:24anywhere near the penalty spot. I played with Christian at Aston
0:34:24 > 0:34:30Villa, I know he will be gutted.So he should be. Centre forward
0:34:30 > 0:34:34sometimes they feel like they should be taking penalties.Me personally,
0:34:34 > 0:34:38I did not take penalties for a reason. If my team is in that
0:34:38 > 0:34:43position, I know we need the three points, my ego is put aside.
0:34:43 > 0:34:48Christian's penalty record is not that great.Awful. He has scored two
0:34:48 > 0:34:55in five for Palace. He has missed three including yesterday. Scored
0:34:55 > 0:35:00nine in 14 overall. Missed nearly a third of his penalties.I was
0:35:00 > 0:35:04wanting to ask Andrew, the whole idea of penalties, do you think they
0:35:04 > 0:35:12should count totals? You one, Fulham, they do count, but do you
0:35:12 > 0:35:20think it this value is the totals? If I say yes people say...Is that
0:35:20 > 0:35:35yes?Alan Shearer is doing Match of the Day 2! Tried telling Alan
0:35:35 > 0:35:40Shearer penalties don't count! From the goalkeeper's point of view,
0:35:40 > 0:35:44would you have any advantage if there are two penalties in the same
0:35:44 > 0:35:48game taken by the same player? If the same player had taken the second
0:35:48 > 0:35:53penalty after scoring the first, would you feel like you had any
0:35:53 > 0:35:57advantage?I don't think so, it comes down to mind games, game of
0:35:57 > 0:36:03poker, will he go the same way? Alan Shearer, one the best. The
0:36:03 > 0:36:05goalkeeper up against Alan Shearer, they would still be fearing the
0:36:05 > 0:36:11outcome would be in the back of the net. His penalty was top-quality
0:36:11 > 0:36:14yesterday, unbelievable. Was not like it was lucky.Let him take it
0:36:14 > 0:36:19again. I do not know if these of Palace fans texting in, there are
0:36:19 > 0:36:26not impressed either way. Benteke should be dropped. Gary, fine him
0:36:26 > 0:36:32four weeks of wages, might remember next time. Another, every point is
0:36:32 > 0:36:37crucial. Benteke put his ego above the team's best interests. In the
0:36:37 > 0:36:42dressing room after, would you be having a pop at him?Yeah. But then
0:36:42 > 0:36:48we go back to leaders in the team. We need the three points. Why is he
0:36:48 > 0:36:51taking it? When he picked the ball up, I would have said, excuse me,
0:36:51 > 0:36:57not today. We need these three points. The boy has scored a very
0:36:57 > 0:37:01good penalty, let him take it. Obviously going against the manager.
0:37:01 > 0:37:05You have a designated penalty taker. They must have been able to get the
0:37:05 > 0:37:11message onto pitch.That is done to the players.I appreciate it is
0:37:11 > 0:37:14noisy and the technical area is miles away. There was a Man United
0:37:14 > 0:37:18penalty earlier this season when Romelu Lukaku wanted it and it went
0:37:18 > 0:37:23to someone else and Jose Mourinho wanted someone else to take it and
0:37:23 > 0:37:26he managed to get that message on eventually. You would have thought
0:37:26 > 0:37:34managerial staff...They are going, he needs to take it. 3-0 up, Crystal
0:37:34 > 0:37:38Palace, does not matter. Injury time, predicament they are in: huge
0:37:38 > 0:37:47movement in the season.Does he have an ego?No, he backs himself, he
0:37:47 > 0:37:55scores, but there is a penalty taker , and we are green he should take
0:37:55 > 0:37:59it, nobody.Newcastle yesterday, they have taken one point from their
0:37:59 > 0:38:07last seven games, they are in 16th, could you feel at St James's Park
0:38:07 > 0:38:12yesterday concerned and worried?You could. Newcastle got their nose in
0:38:12 > 0:38:16front so the crowd was up. Leicester started coming back. You could feel
0:38:16 > 0:38:20the nerves. That is the moment at Newcastle, such a big club commie
0:38:20 > 0:38:25want players to get on the ball and express themselves. You could see
0:38:25 > 0:38:29them not hiding but they did not want the ball, playing into
0:38:29 > 0:38:33Leicester's hands, looking over their shoulder, above the relegation
0:38:33 > 0:38:38zone, takeover chat, a lot of stuff going on and off the pitch as well,
0:38:38 > 0:38:40a worrying time.I do not particularly want to mention him
0:38:40 > 0:38:45again but I am going to. Alan Shearer tweeted, nowhere near good
0:38:45 > 0:38:49enough, Newcastle. Sell our club to someone who wants to be here before
0:38:49 > 0:38:55it is too late. Do you agree with him? You cannot blame Mike Ashley
0:38:55 > 0:38:58necessarily for what is going on on the pitch but you could blame him if
0:38:58 > 0:39:03the money is not there to strengthen in January.I can blame him because
0:39:03 > 0:39:09ultimately he says Rafa Benitez, get us up, I will give it to you. I
0:39:09 > 0:39:13don't think he has given him a beam. How do you stay in the Premier
0:39:13 > 0:39:18League if you do not back your manager financially? Half the
0:39:18 > 0:39:22problem does stem from him.The nightmare scenario is it drags on,
0:39:22 > 0:39:27they ruin the possibility of bringing in new recruits in the
0:39:27 > 0:39:31transfer window and Rafa Benitez who is widely admired in this country
0:39:31 > 0:39:36and abroad, he might leave, because of this slowing down of Mike Ashley.
0:39:36 > 0:39:42I understand he wants to get as much as he can, he has built his business
0:39:42 > 0:39:46on shrewd business decisions, but this is damaging the club long term.
0:39:46 > 0:39:51It is devaluing it. The closer they get to the relegation zone, the new
0:39:51 > 0:39:58takeover... They will pay 20, 30 million less. There is no guarantee
0:39:58 > 0:40:02they will be in the Premier League next season.Andrew saying, Rafa
0:40:02 > 0:40:07Benitez doing the job of a lifetime, top manager, got them promoted, he
0:40:07 > 0:40:14deserves better. Matthew, I am a Newcastle fan and we are gone
0:40:14 > 0:40:17without investment. In your experience of covering these kinds
0:40:17 > 0:40:25of things. It seems like... I have never tried to buy a football club,
0:40:25 > 0:40:29but it seems like quite a short period of time to get a deal done to
0:40:29 > 0:40:34release funds to help them in January?They are very experienced
0:40:34 > 0:40:38in business and football, maybe there is an element of brinkmanship.
0:40:38 > 0:40:44Frustrating the Newcastle fans because they have seen games, they
0:40:44 > 0:40:49know how financial resources could be brought in... So much is in
0:40:49 > 0:40:54place, the stadium, the manager, OK, they need more players, but it is
0:40:54 > 0:40:58the proverbial cliche, hotbed, there are good young players coming
0:40:58 > 0:41:01through, they should be developing them, they should not... You
0:41:01 > 0:41:06mentioned Alan Shearer, Michael Carrick, individuals like that, they
0:41:06 > 0:41:10should be starting their careers at Newcastle United and not heading
0:41:10 > 0:41:15south. So much is right about that club, but it just needs a stronger
0:41:15 > 0:41:20owner who is going to invest financially. Mike Ashley has done
0:41:20 > 0:41:24good things behind the scenes, but really, they need more money under
0:41:24 > 0:41:28new outlook.Moving on to a couple of other things very quickly.
0:41:28 > 0:41:34Another former club of yours, what is going on at Stoke? I don't know.
0:41:34 > 0:41:40You have only got two minutes!I feel a little bit for Mark Hughes,
0:41:40 > 0:41:47getting a lot of stick. I feel like he does not get enough support in
0:41:47 > 0:41:54the transfer window. Seven Man City, five yesterday.They have brought in
0:41:54 > 0:42:02a fair few players.You have to use the money when you sell. Jack Walker
0:42:02 > 0:42:09had an ambition for Blackburn and you would think they would want to
0:42:09 > 0:42:14give them more to have a go at getting back into Europe. He is
0:42:14 > 0:42:18getting a lot of stick, Mark Hughes. I suppose the goals they are
0:42:18 > 0:42:22conceding is worrying.He is a victim of the expectations he
0:42:22 > 0:42:26himself has raised in recent seasons by having decent league finishes.
0:42:26 > 0:42:30Maybe there is a question about the quality of the football at times,
0:42:30 > 0:42:33but I think it is a little bit unfair to have a manager of his
0:42:33 > 0:42:38quality under pressure now.But they are so inconsistent, you can
0:42:38 > 0:42:43understand the frustration of the fans.Of course I can. When you keep
0:42:43 > 0:42:46finishing top half of the Premier League, the fans are thinking, we
0:42:46 > 0:42:51can get into Europe. Like Shay touched on, selling best players
0:42:51 > 0:42:56commie have to buy the players to try to move to the next level --
0:42:56 > 0:43:02selling best players. Top manager, Mark Hughes. He has done well at
0:43:02 > 0:43:07every club.Predictions from all three of you, maybe because that
0:43:07 > 0:43:10means you get loads of stick on social media for the rest of the
0:43:10 > 0:43:18afternoon! Merseyside and Manchester derby.3-0 Liverpool and Manchester
0:43:18 > 0:43:25United united 1-2 Man City.3-1 Liverpool. 2-1 Manchester United.
0:43:25 > 0:43:342-1 for the Fab four.Are you just on a mission to annoy Mark?And 1-1
0:43:34 > 0:43:41Manchester derby.Thank you very much to all three of you. The games
0:43:41 > 0:43:45are covered across five Live this afternoon, full commentary of the
0:43:45 > 0:43:49Manchester derby from 4:30pm from Old Trafford and all three games
0:43:49 > 0:43:55will be on match of their day to 2 later with the angry Alan Shearer
0:43:55 > 0:44:03and Danny Murphy. -- Match of the Day 2. Goodbye.