:00:45. > :00:51.Good afternoon and a warm welcome to Match of the Day to Extra on BBC
:00:52. > :00:56.Two, five live and the BBC sport website. Joining me Hull City
:00:57. > :01:02.defender Curtis Davies and former Norwich, Celtic striker Chris Sutton
:01:03. > :01:10.and Andy Dunn generalist with the daily Mirror. We'd love to hear from
:01:11. > :01:15.you, get in touch with us using our hashtag or send us text. This is
:01:16. > :01:23.what is coming up. Advantage pep as City beat juice's United at Old
:01:24. > :01:28.Trafford, Liverpool but four passed the champions at their new stand,
:01:29. > :01:32.Watford come from behind to beat West Ham and Arsenal leave it late
:01:33. > :01:38.to beat Southampton. The back pages, not surprisingly, focus on the
:01:39. > :01:45.Manchester derby, the Sun says that the united star is bottled it,
:01:46. > :01:48.Andy's paper, the Sunday Mirror, claims that Mourinho raged at the
:01:49. > :02:00.referee after the defeat and that Zlatan is in line for a new contract
:02:01. > :02:04.already. The male on Sunday also concentrates on Mourinho's theory.
:02:05. > :02:08.We'll talk about the Derby in a second, first let's hear from both
:02:09. > :02:11.managers starting with Pep Guardiola. The game was open until
:02:12. > :02:16.the end. The first half we were better, the second half, they pushed
:02:17. > :02:23.a lot, it was so difficult, they opened the game and when you open
:02:24. > :02:28.the game you had many acts of four against three and five against four,
:02:29. > :02:35.we did not finish absolutely, we were not brilliant in that moment,
:02:36. > :02:38.for the last part, but for us, to go to Old Trafford, one of the best
:02:39. > :02:45.stadiums in the world, and to win the game, it's good. To play these
:02:46. > :02:52.matches you have to be completely ready to do it. In terms of the
:02:53. > :02:58.speed of your thinking and decision making. We have had a few players
:02:59. > :03:05.who are not at that level. We lost easy balls. We let them press us and
:03:06. > :03:11.recover the ball is easy circumstances for us, we paid for
:03:12. > :03:15.the mistakes. First, it's great to see a good Manchester derby after
:03:16. > :03:19.what seemed to be a sabbatical. You were there, Andy, in your paper, pep
:03:20. > :03:24.announcing his arrival in the Premier League with a twin.
:03:25. > :03:28.Obviously not his first game here, yet it felt so significant, like he
:03:29. > :03:33.was saying, that's what I'm all about, as if we did not know
:03:34. > :03:37.already, even in a big game in an intimidating venue like Old Trafford
:03:38. > :03:41.with a huge derby match and loads of hype, it's doesn't matter, this is
:03:42. > :03:44.the way I'm going to play, my keeper will be halfway up the pitch and
:03:45. > :03:48.will spread the ball around, mice and a half will take risks and if he
:03:49. > :03:53.makes mistakes, so be it, we will get the ball and we will play. Every
:03:54. > :03:58.single player encouraged to get on the ball and play. It is idealistic.
:03:59. > :04:03.And great to see it, something we haven't seen in the Premier League.
:04:04. > :04:07.If we had any doubt this is what we're going to get from Guardian,
:04:08. > :04:11.this commitment to play in a certain way, if it goes wrong and it almost
:04:12. > :04:15.did yesterday, they deserved to win, they were a shade fortunate but if
:04:16. > :04:19.it goes wrong he will carry on playing that. He won't sacrifices
:04:20. > :04:25.principles. It'll be a fascinating narrative to watch play out. He said
:04:26. > :04:30.just three points afterwards, it was more than that, it was the
:04:31. > :04:34.statement, the manner in which they made the statement, they dominated
:04:35. > :04:42.their biggest rival. Did you see the game at all? I got to see some on
:04:43. > :04:46.the coach, you got to see City keeping the ball. It was so strange
:04:47. > :04:51.to see, however well they played, the way this Court, a big boom up
:04:52. > :04:55.the pitch, simple flick on and he goes on and finishes it. A good
:04:56. > :05:01.player although United will be disappointed with the way they
:05:02. > :05:13.conceded. It was Route one yet the keeper started it by giving the
:05:14. > :05:19.short pass to Kolorov. It was a short pass, although it was under
:05:20. > :05:24.pressure, a short pass and the big ball up. And Kevin De Bruyne is so
:05:25. > :05:32.shop getting up there. Nearly would one! All the talk before the match
:05:33. > :05:34.was about City and their talisman, Sergio Aguero, this disadvantage
:05:35. > :05:39.they had in the battle of height with United having taller players. I
:05:40. > :05:44.think John Stones was their tallest player but that didn't come to
:05:45. > :05:50.fruition. It didn't because Manchester United were played off
:05:51. > :05:53.the park. Mourinho got his selection wrong, Rashford should have started.
:05:54. > :05:58.He made an impact when he came on in the second half. The turning point
:05:59. > :06:03.which got Manchester United back in the game was the error from Claudio
:06:04. > :06:09.Bravo. If they had gone 2-0 down, who knows what the full-time school
:06:10. > :06:13.would have been. Interesting that size issue. Guardiola said
:06:14. > :06:17.afterwards, I said to my defenders, David Silva, Kevin De Bruyne, you
:06:18. > :06:22.will need a chair to defend against this, they were getting so many high
:06:23. > :06:26.balls towards Marouane Fellaini, it was a bit of a sly dig at juice.
:06:27. > :06:34.Great spirit yesterday yet perhaps a sly dig. -- a sly dig at Jose
:06:35. > :06:38.Mourinho. Interesting that you mention Marcus Rashford, given what
:06:39. > :06:44.he did with the England U21s in midweek did you want to seems Dodd?
:06:45. > :06:51.I honestly thought he would. When he came on, he and Mkhitaryan wanted to
:06:52. > :06:54.change the game against us, of positive and running for winners,
:06:55. > :06:59.having scored the winner against us, to go off and play U21 's, and Scott
:07:00. > :07:02.hat-trick, that's confidence. I thought he'd come into the game
:07:03. > :07:09.because he has shown that he isn't scared of big games. Jose protests
:07:10. > :07:14.that he does believe in you. I'm not entirely sure that he does. You
:07:15. > :07:17.always have reservations about starting the young players in games
:07:18. > :07:21.like that. Even after the game that Curtis mentions, I was at the
:07:22. > :07:26.Manchester United game and made that impact, scoring the winner, and in
:07:27. > :07:29.the press Conference afterwards he was pressed if Rashford would play
:07:30. > :07:35.the next game especially considering what he did in the Derby and was
:07:36. > :07:40.told, he's done OK coming off the bench, let's leave it at that, but
:07:41. > :07:49.that must've been a mistake. When someone is in form surely you must
:07:50. > :07:54.play him? His tail is up... It is still a hat-trick. Still hat-trick,
:07:55. > :08:00.still competitive football. You could see the impact he made when he
:08:01. > :08:06.came on because Mourinho got it wrong, Lingard and Mick Tyree and
:08:07. > :08:11.were not at the races. Do you think Jose Mourinho accounts hat-trick for
:08:12. > :08:17.the U21s as valuable currency? I bet he doesn't. Surely he values a
:08:18. > :08:23.player with high confidence? He'd seen the last league game back home
:08:24. > :08:26.and had seen a good performance from his team before Rashford came on. He
:08:27. > :08:31.played well before that and Rashford made a difference when he came on so
:08:32. > :08:35.Mourinho must have thought, we have played well without him, that was
:08:36. > :08:43.his first taste of league action, do I really need a measure to throw him
:08:44. > :08:45.in? I think it did backfire and the selection of Lingard was
:08:46. > :08:51.questionable. Mkhitaryan you could argue made a good impact in his
:08:52. > :08:59.previous league game. Will they still leave him out now? Mkhitaryan,
:09:00. > :09:05.or Rashford? Rashford. I think they probably will. For a game of that
:09:06. > :09:08.size I still think he sees him as a player who could come on against
:09:09. > :09:17.players who are getting tired, last 20 minutes and make a big impact.
:09:18. > :09:22.Did we see Mourinho tactically outdone by Guardiola? You could say
:09:23. > :09:26.that. Sometimes you have to take your hat off. Manchester City were
:09:27. > :09:31.absolutely superb. We talked about how Lingard wasn't at the races,
:09:32. > :09:35.Mkhitaryan... And they were picked off. And this is early days from
:09:36. > :09:39.Guardian. He's just come in. It wasn't just about the three points,
:09:40. > :09:44.it was the manner of their performance, so impressive. What was
:09:45. > :09:47.interesting was the pre-match interview with Mourinho when he
:09:48. > :09:51.talked about making these changes and bringing in Lingard and
:09:52. > :09:54.Mkhitaryan. It made you think that he was focusing more on the
:09:55. > :10:00.opposition than on the strength of his side and I thought that little
:10:01. > :10:05.change, that new ones, told a lot. I think that's always been his trick.
:10:06. > :10:10.But as the manager of a home side in the Derby you would expect him to
:10:11. > :10:15.take the initiative? Possibly. That has not always been the case in the
:10:16. > :10:18.past. You've often seen Mourinho win games without having the majority of
:10:19. > :10:22.possession. I think he knew that would happen yesterday that his team
:10:23. > :10:27.would not have the majority of possession and he picked his team
:10:28. > :10:30.accordingly. He isn't a negative coach as such but his priority is to
:10:31. > :10:34.negate the dangers in front of him first and then win the game
:10:35. > :10:39.afterwards. That is what he's always come across as and very
:10:40. > :10:43.successfully. He was clearly disappointed. He said his players
:10:44. > :10:47.were not at the races, he is demanding more. I think it's early
:10:48. > :10:52.days, a different team, his signings in the main have been exceptional,
:10:53. > :10:59.it is just that sometimes you lose to your biggest rivals. He could not
:11:00. > :11:06.have accounted for how off the pace Mkhitaryan was. I was surprised that
:11:07. > :11:13.some players played when they were injured on international duty. They
:11:14. > :11:16.were just hunted down every time. It wasn't just Mkhitaryan and Lingard
:11:17. > :11:24.caught in possession is a many times, it was Wayne Rooney as well.
:11:25. > :11:27.Not the first time that he's been critical of his players but if you
:11:28. > :11:33.were on the receiving end, how would that have gone down in the dressing
:11:34. > :11:37.room? I think you need to accept it, this is the man who picks the team,
:11:38. > :11:42.who put you in a big, big game and if you let him know he will let you
:11:43. > :11:46.know about it. You would rather that than him saying publicly, the big,
:11:47. > :11:49.my players have done this, done that for me, you would rather know so
:11:50. > :11:53.that you can go and work on it and hopefully be back in his plan.
:11:54. > :11:58.Nothing worse than upsetting the manager! Do you think much thought
:11:59. > :12:01.was given from Mourinho to what he was going to say before he said it,
:12:02. > :12:06.knowing that some players would accept it and others not? From what
:12:07. > :12:10.I saw of the interview he never named anybody, he said, my players
:12:11. > :12:13.know which ones let me down so I'm guessing he told them in the
:12:14. > :12:20.changing room and then he's gone on TV and said it. You will know if you
:12:21. > :12:25.put in a shift or not. What is also interesting is, it is what state she
:12:26. > :12:31.is at in how long he's been at the club and what the club are doing. --
:12:32. > :12:35.what stage he's in at the club. Chelsea, first season, won the
:12:36. > :12:39.title, second season, won title, in the third season which did not last,
:12:40. > :12:43.when he starts criticising the players they will think, hang on a
:12:44. > :12:48.minute, we have done this, we've done that. And now they feel in a
:12:49. > :12:52.stronger position about that. No one at the moment would bridle against
:12:53. > :12:59.him because they feature is in his hands. At that stage, it at Chelsea,
:13:00. > :13:04.it was not. Players are honest, you have to man up a bit, if you have a
:13:05. > :13:09.bad game you have a bad one. It doesn't always work like that,
:13:10. > :13:14.Chris. I think it does. Most of the players I played with more honest,
:13:15. > :13:17.if you have a bad game, you expected. If you take the glory and
:13:18. > :13:23.the pats on the back, if you are poor you have to get around that as
:13:24. > :13:26.well. Sometimes players use it as a smoke screen, you can come to an
:13:27. > :13:35.interview and say, we did not do this, we didn't do that. The
:13:36. > :13:37.elephant in the room is to say, I wasn't good. I remember you're
:13:38. > :13:41.talking about your debut. Wasn't that the Birmingham? Aston Villa.
:13:42. > :13:48.Guardiola is a different type, he just gets rid of your! Blur he
:13:49. > :13:54.claims that Bravo had a fantastic game! Will talk about Claudio Bravo
:13:55. > :13:57.in a minute. Big stage, big game, big players, Paul Paul Pogba, Zlatan
:13:58. > :14:02.Ibrahimovic to both relatively quiet. As it was, Zlatan scored his
:14:03. > :14:06.fifth of the season, it gives an insight, you had the privilege or
:14:07. > :14:11.maybe not the right word to use, of marking a man of his calibre already
:14:12. > :14:15.this season! I think, the way he plays he will never make a massive
:14:16. > :14:20.impact on the game if he doesn't score. And he did score, which was
:14:21. > :14:25.his job. He's a player that leads the line, stays up there, he will
:14:26. > :14:30.only drop off and not get involved when they haven't got the ball, when
:14:31. > :14:33.he gets it in the boxing needs to score because there are so many good
:14:34. > :14:38.players around him, they should feed him and therefore he shouldn't have
:14:39. > :14:41.to do much outside the box. A great finish from Zlatan considering that
:14:42. > :14:49.it emanated from a spill from Claudio Bravo. Heaney 's spirit and
:14:50. > :14:54.the pace off him, he won't run from behind and run channels -- he has
:14:55. > :15:00.spirit and he needs pace. It's hard to get the ball from him but you
:15:01. > :15:05.need people going beyond him. It was an Erik Compton finish. I can't
:15:06. > :15:10.remember who it was against but almost a carbon copy. This ties in
:15:11. > :15:14.with what Chris said, he was a bit static yesterday. Not a great deal
:15:15. > :15:21.of movement. When you are on top, and you have Zlatan Ibrahimovic,
:15:22. > :15:28.Pogba, Fellaini, City of smaller players who were more agile and
:15:29. > :15:35.quick to the ball and to possession. They played all around them. We
:15:36. > :15:39.mentioned the goal by Zlatan, making his debut for Manchester City,
:15:40. > :15:41.Claudio Bravo, we saw both sides of his game yesterday and this is what
:15:42. > :16:40.his manager said. . In the last minutes after we
:16:41. > :16:48.played well in the first half, the second half... That is a real good
:16:49. > :16:51.thing about his personality and one of the reasons why we played well in
:16:52. > :16:53.the first half was because he read really well the build-up. His
:16:54. > :16:56.reaction to the performance and his comments are almost polar opposite
:16:57. > :17:06.to what Mourinho did in his post-match comments. If city had a
:17:07. > :17:17.free kick, they were almost five yards from the away line. View was
:17:18. > :17:24.that far advanced. A lot of people during the game were saying Joe Hart
:17:25. > :17:28.was thinking, it should be made. If Joe Hart was watching that, it was
:17:29. > :17:37.confirmation that he can never played again. He can't, because he
:17:38. > :17:41.cannot play that role. But it wasn't unlucky, it was rubbish goalkeeping.
:17:42. > :17:46.He dropped it, he let Manchester United back in the game and he
:17:47. > :17:50.should have been sent off. We talk about City's performance but he was
:17:51. > :17:54.desperately poor. It is OK having a goalkeeper who can play but you also
:17:55. > :18:01.need a goalkeeper who can catch the ball. I think pep had to say what he
:18:02. > :18:05.did because such a big deal has been made of this. You got rid of
:18:06. > :18:10.England's number one, who has been is city's number one for the last
:18:11. > :18:13.seven years or whatever it is, so if he didn't back this keeper that he's
:18:14. > :18:20.paid a lot of money for an made such a big deal out of, obviously... It
:18:21. > :18:24.is a lot of money for a keeper who was 33, 17 million. We know he's
:18:25. > :18:28.going to bring a lot of entertainment because that's the way
:18:29. > :18:33.he's always kept goal. But Guardiola's argument is that if he
:18:34. > :18:43.does make the odd mistake, what he brings in terms of starting attacks,
:18:44. > :18:48.the sweeper keeper and actually being almost a quarterback figure,
:18:49. > :18:57.directing movements from their, he says that's worth more than... That
:18:58. > :19:00.compensates for that mistake. If he keeps dropping crosses are making
:19:01. > :19:11.errors, will he keep him in? Piquant. If he drops crosses every
:19:12. > :19:17.week and make Sarah... Even if he drops a cross, the chances are that
:19:18. > :19:22.City are still going to win that game. You can't have a liability.
:19:23. > :19:27.I'm not saying he is but there comes a time, if he keeps making mistakes,
:19:28. > :19:31.and he must've thought Joe Hart wasn't good enough for a reason. Joe
:19:32. > :19:36.Hart has made mistakes in the last season or so but he's got him in for
:19:37. > :19:41.a reason and he can't back him if he keeps making mistakes. I think he
:19:42. > :19:44.thinks he will gain you more points than he would lose because you
:19:45. > :19:49.shouldn't have to do too much defending or goalkeeping such as a
:19:50. > :19:54.city keeper. They're going to be times when he is going to be to show
:19:55. > :19:59.how good he is but more often they will have 60 present possession. If
:20:00. > :20:07.he can make those few passes that get you on an attack, he will maybe
:20:08. > :20:13.gain more points than he loses. How do centre halves like that sort of
:20:14. > :20:20.keeper? Are you talking about keepers who drop crosses? The way he
:20:21. > :20:25.plays, if this is the way your team plays, as soon as you get the ball,
:20:26. > :20:30.the centre halves will go that way, the centre midfielders, so we should
:20:31. > :20:33.have four or five options on the ball but when you are talking about
:20:34. > :20:36.the Rooney incident, which we will come onto, that is when sometimes
:20:37. > :20:40.the need to be a situation where you say, just get it up the field,
:20:41. > :20:45.because he's got one player closing it down, Ian is chasing his touch
:20:46. > :20:50.and makes a tackle with it. It is under debate whether it is a penalty
:20:51. > :20:57.or not. On the Rooney incident, should he have been sent off? I set
:20:58. > :21:01.myself, I'm a centre-half and if I took that bad touch into centre
:21:02. > :21:06.midfield and leapt like that into a tackle, I think it is a red card for
:21:07. > :21:09.me so I don't see why it would be different for a goalkeeper. What
:21:10. > :21:14.other players told to do in terms of tackling? It is seen as a reckless
:21:15. > :21:19.movement. He doesn't go too footed into the challenge, he gets inside
:21:20. > :21:23.foot and wins the ball, so for me as a centre-half it is a good tackle as
:21:24. > :21:28.such but what the rules say is that that seems a reckless tackle, you're
:21:29. > :21:34.not in control because both feet of the ground. We all know what he was
:21:35. > :21:38.thinking. He thought, oh, no, and went lunging but it was a penalty
:21:39. > :21:44.and a red card. Let's wrap this all because we've already mentioned
:21:45. > :21:47.briefly about your debut. It wasn't the best, neither was it for Henrikh
:21:48. > :21:53.Mkhitaryan but explain what happened at Villa. I have been waiting to get
:21:54. > :21:57.my chance to play and have been there about two months and we played
:21:58. > :22:06.against Leicester in the cup so I didn't have a good game. We lost the
:22:07. > :22:17.game 2-1 and I went on and said it as it was. I call that the pub
:22:18. > :22:22.player. That stuck with me. Talking about Leicester and the reigning
:22:23. > :22:29.defending champions getting stuck at Anfield to Liverpool. It really sent
:22:30. > :22:35.out a message of intent to. These are the thoughts of Claudio Ranieri.
:22:36. > :22:42.Today the pool played so, so well and everything they tried to do was
:22:43. > :22:51.OK. They were very, very spirited and everything was fantastic. Not so
:22:52. > :23:05.good for us. We agreed our chance. Have you learned lessons today? You
:23:06. > :23:11.have to understand that football should be together and suffered
:23:12. > :23:18.together. It has to be more strong. It was almost the perfect afternoon
:23:19. > :23:20.for Liverpool. They witnessed the demolishing of the champions in
:23:21. > :23:26.Leicester and it could have been by a lot more. I am a big fan of Jurgen
:23:27. > :23:33.Klopp, a big fan of his style of play. There is risk in it but they
:23:34. > :23:42.are scintillating going forward. I think they will finish in the top
:23:43. > :23:46.four. Curtis Davies, whole cities central defender, they do but like
:23:47. > :23:51.the most entertaining of the teams but there was almost that sense of
:23:52. > :23:57.unpredictability. I think it showed from their first three games. Win
:23:58. > :24:01.one, draw one, lose one. They had 80 present possession against Burnley
:24:02. > :24:06.and lost 2-0 so it just shows that the way they play is obviously quite
:24:07. > :24:10.entertaining and they're likely to get goals from it if they play
:24:11. > :24:13.against a team that is willing to open up but if they play against a
:24:14. > :24:20.team that is just going to sit there and try and stifle them, it's a bit
:24:21. > :24:26.more difficult. Defensively, they still look a little uncertain. I
:24:27. > :24:34.wouldn't be surprised if he is able to feel the same. He's struggling.
:24:35. > :24:39.He is looking a little bit vulnerable, as was shown by the goal
:24:40. > :24:42.yesterday but I agree with what has been said. Going forward, he has a
:24:43. > :24:51.whole wodge of combinations and it is a question of picking the right
:24:52. > :24:53.one. We saw a different one yesterday and Manny looked
:24:54. > :25:00.absolutely dynamic. It is keeping those players happy and finding the
:25:01. > :25:08.right one and you're right, the consistency. We saw it last season.
:25:09. > :25:14.Eight loss to someone like Watford... That's what we've got to
:25:15. > :25:17.try and eradicate this season. In the Burnley game, they didn't have
:25:18. > :25:21.that option where Burnley were just sitting in and narrowed up. They
:25:22. > :25:24.were saying, through the balls in and we'll deal with that so that's
:25:25. > :25:30.going to be their problem but they're brilliant to watch. They
:25:31. > :25:39.deserved to beat Tottenham. They probably just edged that game. I was
:25:40. > :25:43.at Old Trafford, rather than Anfield yesterday, but from what I
:25:44. > :25:46.understand it was a great atmosphere and we see how Jurgen Klopp
:25:47. > :25:55.generates the atmosphere and milks the atmosphere. It is a great
:25:56. > :26:04.atmosphere background and that can only help them. It is so competitive
:26:05. > :26:11.at the top end this season but I can see them at fourth place. We see so
:26:12. > :26:16.many great attacking players for Liverpool. Daniel Sturridge played
:26:17. > :26:19.particularly well. Adam Lallana, great for him to get amongst the
:26:20. > :26:23.goals because if anything, we know what he can bring to the table, a
:26:24. > :26:28.tireless player, technically very gifted. The only one thing lacking
:26:29. > :26:31.in the locker is the goals. I would agree with that. He's such an
:26:32. > :26:39.intelligent footballer and a tremendous striker. Liverpool didn't
:26:40. > :26:44.bring him in for his goals tally, they brought him into bee that link
:26:45. > :26:51.and that person who that awareness but he will want to score more
:26:52. > :26:54.goals. What is interesting is when Jurgen Klopp first came and Lallana
:26:55. > :26:58.came off after 80 minutes and he looked like he literally fell into
:26:59. > :27:05.Jurgen Klopp's arms, it looked like he had run a marathon. Furlana was
:27:06. > :27:10.so intense and intent on fulfilling this idea of having to press and run
:27:11. > :27:16.for the entire game, what he's also good at, that link play, and he is a
:27:17. > :27:20.decent finish on his day. That almost got put to the site and only
:27:21. > :27:28.now he's confident he is part of clop's plans, we may see him express
:27:29. > :27:35.himself a bit more. How hard is it to defend against a tame like
:27:36. > :27:40.Liverpool -- team? It is difficult but a team like us would set up more
:27:41. > :27:45.solid, like we did against Manchester United because that is
:27:46. > :27:51.how we are good. It would be difficult because when players are
:27:52. > :27:55.moving all over, it is tough but ultimately, it is never easy in the
:27:56. > :28:00.Premier League against any team but I think with Manet this year
:28:01. > :28:06.particularly, he is going to be the one that has stepped it up a notch.
:28:07. > :28:09.If you can keep storage fit, he is the best English striker for me. He
:28:10. > :28:17.has got something different to the rest it up he can open up again but
:28:18. > :28:23.they are going to be very difficult to play against. For Leicester, it
:28:24. > :28:29.is two defeats from their four games. What has happened to them
:28:30. > :28:35.defensively? Is it more than just N'Golo Kante leaving? I think that
:28:36. > :28:40.played a big part but what did we really expect? I don't think any of
:28:41. > :28:43.us, in our heart of hearts, really thought Leicester could do what they
:28:44. > :28:47.did last season this season and are they suffering a bit of a hangover?
:28:48. > :28:53.Yes, they are. I think they will be top half and that will be a
:28:54. > :28:55.successful season. They were just outplayed. I wouldn't say they
:28:56. > :29:04.showed naivete but they were far too open. I agree when Chris says a
:29:05. > :29:06.hangover. We put so much emphasis on the psychological aspect sometimes
:29:07. > :29:11.but I think dealing with being the champions has probably been not a
:29:12. > :29:16.shock but they've had to get used to it. I've said this before, I don't
:29:17. > :29:22.think they are the best pre-season. They went away to Thailand to
:29:23. > :29:26.celebrate. It was a big programme abroad. They then played PSG and
:29:27. > :29:33.Barcelona pre-season, where last year they played Manchester City and
:29:34. > :29:39.one these games at home. They may be made a few of the players think this
:29:40. > :29:42.was the field in which the art expected to operate it they are only
:29:43. > :29:48.minor things but I think mentally coming to terms with the fact that
:29:49. > :29:53.you are champions when you clearly are expected to be takes its toll. I
:29:54. > :29:58.wonder how much of a bird in the Champions League will be. They've
:29:59. > :30:06.got a group, we all think they could go through with that but that may
:30:07. > :30:13.bring its own difficulties. They've had to add players but it is how
:30:14. > :30:17.they fit into the way that Leicester has always played. If they sign a
:30:18. > :30:22.player that doesn't quite fit into the way they've played all along,
:30:23. > :30:26.ultimately it is a mini failure as such because you want to have the
:30:27. > :30:30.same way you've played to win a championship and the same ethos on
:30:31. > :30:35.the plate again success and I think they've try change the way they go.
:30:36. > :30:41.Considering the sticky start Leicester have had, with their next
:30:42. > :30:44.picture, it is that the kind of thing you would welcome, despite
:30:45. > :30:48.what has happened? I think with the group they've got they will welcome
:30:49. > :30:53.mat and they will see it as a massive lift if they can do well
:30:54. > :30:59.because they've not started in the way they would have liked to but I'm
:31:00. > :31:04.sure they will be up in the top half and pushing but it is tough for any
:31:05. > :31:10.team to retain the title, sofa Leicester it is going to be even
:31:11. > :31:12.more difficult if they can have a good run in the Champions League and
:31:13. > :31:18.show the confidence I'd will help them.
:31:19. > :31:25.Leicester play their Champions League game away to club bridge on
:31:26. > :31:29.Wednesday night. In case you are just joining us on MOTD Extra we
:31:30. > :31:36.have Chris Sutton, Curtis Davies and Andy Dunn of the Daily Mirror. Let's
:31:37. > :31:41.focus on your club, last time out, two weeks ago you considered in the
:31:42. > :31:46.94th minute against Manchester United. You did it this time as a
:31:47. > :31:53.team to salvage a great point away to Burnley yesterday. 30 time was in
:31:54. > :31:57.our favour this time! Make you feel that is what is called now. The
:31:58. > :32:17.United game is disappointing when you
:32:18. > :32:22.stick it out so long against a team like that who are knocking on the
:32:23. > :32:25.door, to concede in the 93rd minute was horrible. This week it went in
:32:26. > :32:28.our favour, we kept going to the end and it took a moment of magic from
:32:29. > :32:31.Robert Snodgrass to get us to it. I think we deserved it, on the balance
:32:32. > :32:34.of play and the chances we had we deserved at least a draw but Burnley
:32:35. > :32:37.has been our bogey ground at Turf Moor so one point is a good point.
:32:38. > :32:39.Robert Snodgrass has had a good start to the season. A player I rate
:32:40. > :32:42.highly. I played against him many moons ago! He's always been an
:32:43. > :32:45.intelligent player. I think if he had another half a yard he be
:32:46. > :32:50.playing for one of the big boys. A brilliant hat-trick for Scotland in
:32:51. > :32:54.midweek. A really intelligent player and a stunning free kick. You look
:32:55. > :33:01.at what he's done, clearly coming back from that injury, you must be
:33:02. > :33:05.delighted with the way his comeback. We had a joke with him. We said
:33:06. > :33:09.great kick and he said I was a good player before I got injured! We know
:33:10. > :33:13.how good he is and we were disappointed to lose him for that
:33:14. > :33:17.time, but it does seem that now he's at the top level and fully fit he is
:33:18. > :33:23.getting to grips with it again and showing how good he is. Hat-trick
:33:24. > :33:27.for Scotland in midweek, all respect to Malta but hat-trick at any level
:33:28. > :33:32.is good and it's good to see him striving for more. There's been a
:33:33. > :33:38.resilience about Hull this season, which is why Mickey Phelan will win
:33:39. > :33:42.Manager of the Month award. We know what the situation was going into
:33:43. > :33:46.the season. When you go there you feel this resilience. I was there
:33:47. > :33:53.when United scored, in the dying seconds of the game, that Hull's
:33:54. > :33:57.resilience was fantastic because Manchester United played very well
:33:58. > :34:01.that day. They change things around, they tried everything. They only got
:34:02. > :34:08.that goal late because defensively Hull were magnificent. The man on my
:34:09. > :34:15.right, a brilliant start to the season from Curtis and from the
:34:16. > :34:24.whole defence. I dug up this statistic today, the most
:34:25. > :34:32.competitive team were Hull City, eclipsing the likes of United and
:34:33. > :34:37.City. You don't believe me? I can see from the look on your face!
:34:38. > :34:39.Wattage is, I suppose is the type of football might Phelan has
:34:40. > :34:46.implemented in his time there -- what it shows. We won't be silly and
:34:47. > :34:50.play from the back every time but we want to keep the ball because
:34:51. > :34:54.ultimately you give it to the other team, you would have a chance of
:34:55. > :35:01.scoring. And he wants us to win every game. He wanted us to win the
:35:02. > :35:06.United game. A big ask but he tries to put positive energy into us.
:35:07. > :35:11.Don't settle for a draw. Let's go for it and try to win and if we come
:35:12. > :35:19.up with one point that is good. That has helped us this season. How many
:35:20. > :35:27.1-2s did you play with the QB yesterday? Just to get the stats up!
:35:28. > :35:30.Talking about might Phelan, who as Andy says is the August Manager of
:35:31. > :35:34.the Month which is terrific considering what he inherited in the
:35:35. > :35:40.summer, still no news of any long-term appointment with him and
:35:41. > :35:43.that has been going on since July. I expected it to go on past the
:35:44. > :35:47.transfer window and see if we got the players in that maybe Mick
:35:48. > :35:54.wanted. We've got them in. And I was hoping that would be done. It's
:35:55. > :35:57.between the club and his representatives, whatever. I hope it
:35:58. > :36:01.all gets done because he has been a breath of fresh air and as players
:36:02. > :36:06.we all want him to stay and sign because his record hasn't been too
:36:07. > :36:10.bad so far and we want to keep him. Is there a fear among the players
:36:11. > :36:14.that, should that be a managerial change further down the line with
:36:15. > :36:20.one Premier League club, they might come looking for his services? The
:36:21. > :36:24.longer he hasn't got a contract, yes! Because ultimately he's done
:36:25. > :36:29.well so far and I am sure people would want his services but for us,
:36:30. > :36:34.as Hull players we would be more worried if somebody came in and took
:36:35. > :36:39.our job. Don't get me wrong, there are good managers and their but the
:36:40. > :36:44.way we play, the squad, Mick is used to our players, so if someone else
:36:45. > :36:46.came in and had to get used to us from now until the end of the season
:36:47. > :37:03.it might be more difficult.
:37:04. > :37:06.Embarrassing. What more does he need to do to get the job! Nothing.
:37:07. > :37:08.Manager of the Month, next month? Isn't it Arsenal next Saturday?
:37:09. > :37:12.Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea. Seven points out of 12, a fantastic return
:37:13. > :37:16.considering what people predicted in the summer, how are you enjoying
:37:17. > :37:22.your football? Really enjoying it, after the gloom of the summer we
:37:23. > :37:25.were all worried, and injuries to our players that we've already got,
:37:26. > :37:30.it's proved difficult. The main thing is that we stuck together as a
:37:31. > :37:33.group, we knew that if we could field and 11 we've had have a chance
:37:34. > :37:39.of those forced few games and we've done that. Now that we've made this
:37:40. > :37:44.start and got this call and there is a bit more needed from us because
:37:45. > :37:48.people will be looking at us as a team that should win a few games
:37:49. > :37:54.rather than going to places and expecting to be beaten. Long may it
:37:55. > :37:59.continue! There was a remarkable game in east London, at the London
:38:00. > :38:05.Stadium, West Ham, from leading 2-0, contrived to lose the match to
:38:06. > :38:09.Watford, 4-2. The thoughts of Watford captain Troy Deeney, one of
:38:10. > :38:14.the scorers. We just felt confident going into the second half, I don't
:38:15. > :38:18.know if it was the two late goals in the first half that put us back
:38:19. > :38:21.level, we could see they were enjoying themselves before that. We
:38:22. > :38:26.dug in and got back in the game and we have the mentality that we would
:38:27. > :38:30.win. A bit of a siege mentality but we need to be more ruthless scoring
:38:31. > :38:34.more goals. On another day we could have got five or six. What an
:38:35. > :38:41.incredible game, Watford perspective. It was unbelievable.
:38:42. > :38:45.West Ham were in reasonable control at 2-0 but Watford deserved to win
:38:46. > :38:53.the game. Troy 's got a brilliant goal. The really poor defensive
:38:54. > :38:59.error, but he had so much to do and... Going into half-time at 2-2,
:39:00. > :39:04.I don't know what Slaven Bilic said at half-time to them but Watford
:39:05. > :39:11.came back out of the traps and it could have been more than four. The
:39:12. > :39:16.telling thing that, Troy Deeney says, they were really enjoying
:39:17. > :39:22.themselves, West Ham. I don't think he meant it as a compliment. He
:39:23. > :39:25.looked as if they believed that they were coasting, there was a certain
:39:26. > :39:31.arrogance about them when they were leading by two goals. Sort of old
:39:32. > :39:37.school against professional players, if you think somebody looking a bit
:39:38. > :39:41.cocky, you react. Some stronger quotes given by Troy in his
:39:42. > :39:47.post-match comments. He said there was a point in the game when they
:39:48. > :39:52.were doing fancy dans and he said he thought they were trying to make
:39:53. > :39:57.them off a bit. I don't think he was referring to the move from dementia
:39:58. > :40:03.Payet, sent up on a plate, but Curtis can you relate to what Troy
:40:04. > :40:07.said? Yes, if it's early in the first half and people are taking the
:40:08. > :40:09.Mickey you get frustrated but sometimes that works against you
:40:10. > :40:15.because you start kicking everyone and giving away free kicks and they
:40:16. > :40:20.get what they want. I'm guessing that, what Watford did, was get in
:40:21. > :40:24.their faces a bit more, more energy and stuff like that, and I think the
:40:25. > :40:30.key to it is getting the goal. Get a goal back and suddenly those flicks
:40:31. > :40:35.don't happen. Try also said, this was interesting that, as a player,
:40:36. > :40:41.he said, we made sure we put our hand on them. I had not heard that
:40:42. > :40:45.phrase before. You basically laid your glove on them to stop them the
:40:46. > :40:52.next time they want to do that flick, maybe they get a little
:40:53. > :40:56.around their ankles! The fact that they got two goals before half-time
:40:57. > :41:00.and the momentum then shifted, that's the biggest thing regardless
:41:01. > :41:04.of them flicking and doing everything, there was only one team
:41:05. > :41:09.that came back in the second-half confidently. That brings up an
:41:10. > :41:13.argument, is there a fine line between a team wanting to entertain
:41:14. > :41:18.the crowd and not taking the Mick out of the opposition? Are you
:41:19. > :41:26.talking about West Ham? Any team, really. I liked what Troy Deeney. He
:41:27. > :41:29.galvanised Watford yesterday, I like him as a character, they did get
:41:30. > :41:34.more aggressive and they took the game from West Ham. West Ham
:41:35. > :41:40.capitulated. There is a balance, though, if you are too- zero ahead
:41:41. > :41:46.in a match, it's all about the next goal. And Watford got one goal back
:41:47. > :41:50.and then they want from strength to strength. Having said that, if West
:41:51. > :41:58.Ham had got three... But they didn't. Watford deserved to win. Is
:41:59. > :42:03.there an unwritten rule on showboating amongst professionals?
:42:04. > :42:10.Absolutely. Totally. You don't like people taking the Mickey. Having
:42:11. > :42:16.said that, what do to Payet did, was it showboating, yes, was brilliant?
:42:17. > :42:20.Yes. But you are professional players. Of course you try to get
:42:21. > :42:25.even. It's just that you have to do it within the rules. Just moving on
:42:26. > :42:29.to West Ham, three defeats in four in the Premier League and damaging
:42:30. > :42:35.defeat in Europe. Any pressure on Slaven Bilic at this point? Not at
:42:36. > :42:41.this point but they will be. They were not in great form towards the
:42:42. > :42:46.end of season. They had just won four of their 13 Premier League
:42:47. > :42:49.games, moving to a new stadium, lots of expectation, that will bring
:42:50. > :42:54.problems on and off the pitch. Teething issues. When you move into
:42:55. > :43:00.that sort of stadium with that sort of expectation, if you keep losing
:43:01. > :43:03.you will be under pressure. And they have lost their record signing and
:43:04. > :43:08.Andy Carroll isn't available so they don't have that second route with
:43:09. > :43:12.Andy Carroll and I am sure a player like their new signing would have
:43:13. > :43:21.helped them yesterday. They've got to get Adrian rid of him. Get
:43:22. > :43:26.Bhavane goal! He was poor yesterday! Swansea versus Chelsea, intriguing
:43:27. > :43:31.for David Luiz, should he start? I don't think he will. I imagine they
:43:32. > :43:36.will stay with the same team because they've done so well lately. I'm not
:43:37. > :43:43.sure it will change their formation if he does. Am sure it would. Going
:43:44. > :43:46.forward, Antonio Conte probably believes he can change him into a
:43:47. > :43:51.centre-back, they want change the team today and he looks a perfect
:43:52. > :43:55.fit, Antonio Conte. We have to leave it there, thank you, all of you, for
:43:56. > :44:02.your company, remember Chelsea versus Swansea at the Liberty
:44:03. > :44:03.Stadium is on later, from all of us, goodbye