:00:29. > :00:31.Good afternoon, welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two
:00:32. > :00:36.Joining me today are Matthew Upson, Mark Schwarzer and James Ducker.
:00:37. > :00:39.Use the hashtag #bbcfootball on social media, or text 85058
:00:40. > :00:54.Over the next 45 minutes or so we will be discussing the following,
:00:55. > :00:57.hat-trick for Jamie Vardy, Arsenal went top yesterday but Chelsea will
:00:58. > :01:02.replace them if they avoid defeat in the early game today at home to West
:01:03. > :01:07.Brom. We will keep you across that. Second win for Bob Radley's Swansea.
:01:08. > :01:12.And we will be live at Old Trafford as well where it is six against
:01:13. > :01:16.fifth, Manchester United hosting Spurs.
:01:17. > :01:25.Jamie Vardy dominates the back pages. The Sunday people says 'Three
:01:26. > :01:31.Vard trick trumps Pep's jokers'. The Sunday Express says Slaven Bilic has
:01:32. > :01:34.until Christmas to turn around West Ham's fortunes, which if you
:01:35. > :01:40.actually think about it, is not that far away! So, let's start with
:01:41. > :01:44.Leicester's thrashing of Manchester City at the King Power. Before we
:01:45. > :01:50.talk to everybody in the studio, here are the thoughts of Pep
:01:51. > :01:56.Guardiola with Jonathan Pearce. Football is a game of two teams. I
:01:57. > :02:01.think today, I will never complain to my players so I have to look
:02:02. > :02:08.inside myself what I had to do. They have to follow me. We have problems,
:02:09. > :02:12.a lot of problems. How long do you think it will take for the players
:02:13. > :02:18.to really understand the Pep Guardiola way? I don't know. In the
:02:19. > :02:23.beginning it was quickly, now it will be even longer, but I see them
:02:24. > :02:30.every day and to change the mentality, to change what we want,
:02:31. > :02:36.so maybe we need to leave more time. That makes complete sense, doesn't
:02:37. > :02:39.it that they need more time? If we say Bob Bradley of Swansea needs
:02:40. > :02:44.more time there is no reason why it Pep Guardiola should not need more
:02:45. > :02:49.time? I completely agree. He wants to come in and change the way they
:02:50. > :02:53.play. For a lot of players it is a new way to play. They hit the ground
:02:54. > :02:57.running at the beginning but now they have hit a wall. The last
:02:58. > :03:03.weekend 's game against Chelsea they should have had it dead and buried
:03:04. > :03:11.three or four macro nil. Then once they scored the goal Manchester City
:03:12. > :03:16.looked like they were gone. Is there a an argument that things should be
:03:17. > :03:19.kept simple while you tried to make a foothold? Think things would be
:03:20. > :03:22.kept simple more if there was not time that I would assume he has been
:03:23. > :03:26.guaranteed time and rightly so to make the level of changes he is
:03:27. > :03:30.making. Keeping it simple would probably enhance the immediate
:03:31. > :03:34.results they would be getting but he would not be influencing the players
:03:35. > :03:38.with his philosophy as much. The balance for him is a difficult one
:03:39. > :03:45.but it looks like he is very heavily committed to that change. The stats
:03:46. > :03:50.on changes are ridiculous really. They are frightening really. Has
:03:51. > :03:54.been lot said about he made 50 changes to his starting XI in the
:03:55. > :03:57.Premier League. For me, the bigger change is the personnel at the back.
:03:58. > :04:04.There have been 25 personnel changes at the back. As Matthew will know,
:04:05. > :04:08.if you look at the best sides down the years, they have had some
:04:09. > :04:14.constituency in selection at the back. Isn't half pairing who know
:04:15. > :04:19.each other, a goalkeeper who is experienced, -- a centre-half
:04:20. > :04:24.pairing. We were talking of air, I feel sorry for John Stones. Two
:04:25. > :04:30.full-backs playing alongside him in the back three. There is a lot of
:04:31. > :04:35.talk about philosophy but for me, I think it comes down to poor
:04:36. > :04:40.defending, some basics, players out of position, lack of concentration
:04:41. > :04:43.and lack of aggression. But all of that adds up when you talk about
:04:44. > :04:46.players not being focused and understanding what they need. When
:04:47. > :04:52.you change so many things, you cannot focus on the basics. The
:04:53. > :04:55.basics of defending, dealing with crosses, all of those things happen
:04:56. > :04:58.when you are comfortable in your surroundings and environment and I
:04:59. > :05:05.don't think the back four or three are at the moment. They want to play
:05:06. > :05:09.at the back. Very rarely do you see any of their players lob it forward
:05:10. > :05:13.and they do against Leicester when Fernando knocked a really hard ball
:05:14. > :05:18.back to Stones on the goal-line and he had no other option, he had to
:05:19. > :05:23.well it up the pitch. For me, you have to pick and choose when you
:05:24. > :05:27.stay out. Sometimes you have to go right and go down the channel.
:05:28. > :05:33.Everyone wants to see perfect football. If you look at the average
:05:34. > :05:42.positions of Manchester City players in the first half, and they did say
:05:43. > :05:47.last night, it was difficult to work out for a example where Zabaleta was
:05:48. > :05:55.playing, you can see their, Matthew, that Kolarov is a long way away from
:05:56. > :06:03.John Stones and Bacary Sagna. He is further forward. You can feel sorry
:06:04. > :06:07.for John Stones, you can. He is so isolated. As a young player he will
:06:08. > :06:11.have his own development programme going on as well. Although they have
:06:12. > :06:16.paid 50 million pounds for him here still a young player and learning
:06:17. > :06:20.the game. To be in that situation when you have two possible
:06:21. > :06:25.full-backs playing quite high up at the back, there are three at
:06:26. > :06:30.Leicester who are very direct, very physical, a lot of pace in the team,
:06:31. > :06:36.it is always going to be a difficult afternoon. Can you both talk to me,
:06:37. > :06:43.Guardiola talked about he is not a coach who does tackling. Have you
:06:44. > :06:48.been in squads where tackling is coached. There is an argument to
:06:49. > :06:52.agree with Guardiola, that by the time you are a professional
:06:53. > :06:58.footballer you probably ought to know how to tackle. You should know
:06:59. > :07:04.and do my hole professional career I did think I was ever taught a
:07:05. > :07:08.tackling drill. Obviously, you do one-on-ones where it is part of the
:07:09. > :07:13.drill, but not just tackling. The last time I ever saw it happen was
:07:14. > :07:19.when I was a kid in a local football club. Most managers would talk about
:07:20. > :07:22.tackling as a mentality and as an attitude of the individual or the
:07:23. > :07:26.team and we need to roll our sleeves up today and get stuck into the
:07:27. > :07:31.team, which will mean anticipating second balls, tackling and being
:07:32. > :07:36.physical. It is more a mentality than a technical skill than having
:07:37. > :07:41.to teach a player how to tackle. I sometimes wonder if Guardiola thinks
:07:42. > :07:44.it is a dirty word! Early in the season David Silva was brought into
:07:45. > :07:51.central midfield and was very effective. He was not diving in and
:07:52. > :07:54.lunging recklessly but he was very effective at winning the ball. I
:07:55. > :07:59.think maybe in this country we have a certain view of it. I think for me
:08:00. > :08:04.there is pressure on the ball, there is being sensible, there is not
:08:05. > :08:10.diving in. Nicolas Otamendi was suspended yesterday. He does this a
:08:11. > :08:17.lot. Just to play devils advocate with you. He has had players
:08:18. > :08:25.tackling at Bayern Munich and Barcelona in the past. He has had
:08:26. > :08:29.players who have been very effective at it. He has had players who have
:08:30. > :08:36.allied a silky side with an aggression. Even some of his most
:08:37. > :08:43.creative players had a steely side. It is such a great part of the game.
:08:44. > :08:46.You sit at a football stadium, what gets the biggest cheer, a goal or a
:08:47. > :08:54.tackle? You want to see someone commit to a tackle 100%. The teams
:08:55. > :08:57.he has generally managed don't have to tackle. If they were more precise
:08:58. > :09:04.and effective with their possession they should not have to tackle very
:09:05. > :09:08.much. He is not used to having a group of players where he have to
:09:09. > :09:12.start working on being defensive and tackle a little bit and being more
:09:13. > :09:18.organised. He wants to have the ball. He wants to be organised with
:09:19. > :09:25.the ball. How much of his training in the week will focus on out of
:09:26. > :09:29.position tackling? Zero! We're back to talking about when you change
:09:30. > :09:33.something, you cannot focus on every aspect of the game. He's picking
:09:34. > :09:38.something which is when they are in possession and the other side...
:09:39. > :09:42.That is the difference, coaching out of possession is something that
:09:43. > :09:50.would regularly happen? Shyama Perera. Rather than coaching
:09:51. > :09:56.tackling? Most managers would look at the club and seeing how solid
:09:57. > :09:59.they are. When we were at Chelsea we were talking about playing
:10:00. > :10:03.Manchester United or Spurs and if you come up against certain threats,
:10:04. > :10:12.you'd say this is what we have to do, this is how we have to engage
:10:13. > :10:16.them at certain points. They tuck in really deep and narrow and they
:10:17. > :10:24.switch the ball quickly. They do it at clubs like Chelsea. Obviously,
:10:25. > :10:28.this is your patch, James, Manchester City's hierarchy, the
:10:29. > :10:31.situation in the central defence and full-backs has been a regular
:10:32. > :10:36.discussion with Manchester City for maybe a couple of years is the first
:10:37. > :10:40.point so should they have sorted it out? And secondly, they might have
:10:41. > :10:44.known they were getting Guardiola for a year or 18 months, I don't
:10:45. > :10:48.know, you will have heard different things, could they have put players
:10:49. > :10:53.in place to suit what Guardiola wants to do in advance of him
:10:54. > :10:59.arriving? They thought they were doing that with Mangala who cost ?40
:11:00. > :11:02.million and Nicolas Otamendi who cost ?32 million and they have had
:11:03. > :11:13.sent halves before that who have not come off. They wanted to sign the
:11:14. > :11:17.Athletic Bilbao centre-half. I was surprised he did not bring at least
:11:18. > :11:21.one full-back in. There is a lot of focus on the front half of the team.
:11:22. > :11:25.It is an issue that they have been trying to address for some time.
:11:26. > :11:29.They have thrown a lot of money at the problem and it is yet to
:11:30. > :11:34.materialise. In the next couple of transfer windows you will see on or
:11:35. > :11:39.to full-backs coming in. There has been a big issue with Vincent
:11:40. > :11:42.Kompany. He offers a level of organisation at the back which they
:11:43. > :11:45.have not had and they are desperately trying to find someone
:11:46. > :11:54.who offers that and who is good enough on the ball. He is
:11:55. > :12:01.desperately searching for players. Cass says Guardiola is a football
:12:02. > :12:06.Guru who is more accessible of style than results. Another person says he
:12:07. > :12:10.achieves milestone is most can only dream of that he must realise he is
:12:11. > :12:16.on a different turf... This is very west side story, something needs to
:12:17. > :12:24.change otherwise things may go horribly wrong. I am well aware
:12:25. > :12:27.Leicester fans we have not given Leicester any credit whatsoever in
:12:28. > :12:32.that ten minutes of the show. Would you like to say something? I would
:12:33. > :12:38.love to. I thought they were fabulous. Could it change their
:12:39. > :12:42.season? At is a difficult question to answer. It potentially could.
:12:43. > :12:50.There are so many positive things from that match. It looked like them
:12:51. > :12:53.on song all season last season. The breakdown of possession on the edge
:12:54. > :13:02.of their own box, one or two passes and all of a sudden Jamie Vardy is
:13:03. > :13:08.scoring. Two goals in five minutes, you will release the shackles and
:13:09. > :13:12.play free football which they did. It is good to see Leicester back to
:13:13. > :13:17.doing what they do best in the Premier League. We will go to old
:13:18. > :13:23.Trafford. One of two games which kick off at two o'clock. All the
:13:24. > :13:29.highlights on Match of the Day to later. Guy Mowbray will be
:13:30. > :13:36.commentating. Good afternoon. Welcome to Old Trafford. I have been
:13:37. > :13:41.joined by Mark Lawrenson. I am sure you follow his predictions on the
:13:42. > :13:46.BBC website. You have gone on - one. That will not suit the home crowd.
:13:47. > :13:49.You can understand why I did. Manchester United have to start
:13:50. > :13:59.winning games. It is nine points from fourth place. Mourinho says he
:14:00. > :14:06.is happy. He does not look happy most of the time. He says he is
:14:07. > :14:10.happy with performances. Is he right to be happy? No, because you have to
:14:11. > :14:17.start winning games. Slowly but surely he might be finding his best
:14:18. > :14:22.team. I would expect results to improve. Performances are key but it
:14:23. > :14:28.is all about results as we know. His best result may be Eric Bailly.
:14:29. > :14:37.Spurs's team and utterly includes Toby Alderweireld. Powell big are
:14:38. > :14:44.both of those sites? Both very important. Old or old is a
:14:45. > :14:52.cornerstone -- older Wirral is a cornerstone of their defence. I
:14:53. > :15:01.would add it looks like to add to Pep Guardiola's worries and it looks
:15:02. > :15:05.like Mark Lawrenson has the same jumper as him! Let's start with Toby
:15:06. > :15:15.Alderweireld. He has an attacking weapon with his deep cross ball.
:15:16. > :15:22.A position in a field. I do not think Eric Dier has been as
:15:23. > :15:25.effective. He's better as a midfielder. Having Alderweireld
:15:26. > :15:29.Bachini squad is going to bring that unity back. It will bring solidity
:15:30. > :15:34.and give you that extra weapon, being able to distribute and change
:15:35. > :15:40.defence to attack quickly. Our Spurs favourites for this game? I think
:15:41. > :15:43.so. I think they will have a good performance today. I love the way
:15:44. > :15:49.the club goes about achieving what it wants. They are very different to
:15:50. > :15:53.United or City or Chelsea. They are developing players, giving younger
:15:54. > :15:56.players an opportunity. They are not spending the same level of money but
:15:57. > :16:05.they are rubbing shoulders with them at the top of the league. That tells
:16:06. > :16:08.me the manager and the club have a good formula. And yet, is Jose
:16:09. > :16:11.Mourinho starting to develop a formula? I think they have played
:16:12. > :16:15.pretty well in the last six weeks. Some performances have been better
:16:16. > :16:20.than others. The big issue is they have been wasteful in front of goal.
:16:21. > :16:26.They are bottom of the table in chance conversion this season.
:16:27. > :16:32.Stoke, Burnley, they should have won handsomely. It has cost them dearly.
:16:33. > :16:37.Arsenal, they were the better side. Everton, they should have seen that
:16:38. > :16:40.out. West Ham was maybe a fair result. Lots of the United fans are
:16:41. > :16:46.cautiously optimistic about what they are seeing. They have to win.
:16:47. > :16:50.For me, if you look back, they go nine points behind Spurs, and
:16:51. > :16:56.obviously City in fourth and fifth. This could be a real swing moment
:16:57. > :16:59.for them. Scoring goals has been the biggest problem. Know that
:17:00. > :17:03.Ibrahimovic is back to scoring goals, that is massive. Hopefully
:17:04. > :17:09.that will continue, they will need him to lead the line. He is still
:17:10. > :17:15.missing chances. This is one of the big issues. His goal ratio is pretty
:17:16. > :17:18.good but in the game against Liverpool, Chelsea, Stoke, Arsenal,
:17:19. > :17:25.the chances he missed cost them victory. I do not believe Harry
:17:26. > :17:29.Kane, Diego Costa or Sergio Aguero would have missed those chances.
:17:30. > :17:34.Then there is the argument, it is not all down to one person.
:17:35. > :17:39.Liverpool have had 13 different scorers are something like that this
:17:40. > :17:44.season. I cannot remember. It is not down to one man, even if it is
:17:45. > :17:48.Ibrahimovic. He likes playing that role and he is a focal point of the
:17:49. > :17:52.team with his personality and present on the pitch. Everyone
:17:53. > :17:57.around him has to start taking part in contributing to the goals. It
:17:58. > :18:03.would make them such a stronger team, all the way throughout.
:18:04. > :18:08.Including set pieces. Defender scoring that adds to a better team.
:18:09. > :18:12.Arsenal are top after their victory against all back. Chelsea are
:18:13. > :18:16.goalless against West Brom. They will go to the top if they avoid
:18:17. > :18:21.defeat. Ian Wright was not getting carried away on Match Of The Day
:18:22. > :18:24.last night. They probably did not play the best style of football that
:18:25. > :18:30.we used to seeing Arsenal play. In years gone by, this is the period of
:18:31. > :18:34.time when Arsenal tend to drop away. I like the fact they are not playing
:18:35. > :18:41.well but there are still winning game comfortably. It goes to show,
:18:42. > :18:45.they have a different type of mentality this time around. In the
:18:46. > :18:50.past, they have been seen as lightweight, mentally weak. They
:18:51. > :18:57.seem to have overcome that hurdle. I was there yesterday. You talk about
:18:58. > :19:02.the players being a bit weak sometimes, but if they had gone 1-0
:19:03. > :19:06.down to Stoke last season in November, I think I would have
:19:07. > :19:11.sensed panic going around the Emirates. The fans starting to get
:19:12. > :19:15.worried. That did not seem to be the case yesterday, even though they
:19:16. > :19:19.were a goal down. It felt like there was a sense of belief among the fans
:19:20. > :19:22.that they would be all right and turn this around. You can see why
:19:23. > :19:28.Ian Wright is saying I am not getting carried away. I do not think
:19:29. > :19:32.any Arsenal fan, given the last few seasons, can get carried away. They
:19:33. > :19:38.are near the top of the league. They are playing well. Historically, it
:19:39. > :19:42.has not ended well for them even though they always qualify for the
:19:43. > :19:46.Champions League and hit the top four. It is an amazing achievement
:19:47. > :19:52.but they want to see that next step, the title trophy again. Like Mark
:19:53. > :19:55.says, they are not playing great at times but their winning matches.
:19:56. > :20:00.They look like they have that ability to grind out a result, more
:20:01. > :20:05.than in the past, which could lead them to the title. The problem they
:20:06. > :20:14.have got is Mustafi is injured. He has been a big part of them being
:20:15. > :20:20.solid. Having Hector Bellerin back makes a difference. Definitely. From
:20:21. > :20:26.a defensive point of view, the relationship between Koscielny and
:20:27. > :20:33.Mustafi has been excellent. He has looked at home. There has been
:20:34. > :20:38.questions asked about him. Is he ?30 million worth. Will he settle? He
:20:39. > :20:43.has shown he is more than capable. There are lots of new managers at
:20:44. > :20:47.the top clubs. Arsene Wenger has that consistency, they are probably
:20:48. > :20:51.the most stable club of the top five or six. You just wonder, they were
:20:52. > :20:56.the aeroplane, if that will a difference. The attention is away
:20:57. > :21:02.from them, to agree, and away from Arsene Wenger. Quietly going about
:21:03. > :21:08.their business, sneaking along. They could be a team that people did not
:21:09. > :21:12.expect to take it. They have got to keep Sanchez fit, very much like
:21:13. > :21:17.Diego Costa at Chelsea. Were you watching social media last night,
:21:18. > :21:21.and the Arsenal and Stoke fans? Arsenal fans were accusing Charlie
:21:22. > :21:28.Adam of stamping Alexis Sanchez. Did you see this? No. Stoke fans were
:21:29. > :21:31.saying, why were you slowing it down to see what is happening there, you
:21:32. > :21:39.should be celebrating that you are top? I have mentioned this. It just
:21:40. > :21:45.seemed like a very odd incident. There was this battle on social
:21:46. > :21:48.media. If you slow things down, you can find things. It is nice that
:21:49. > :21:52.Arsenal fans are worried about something other than the result.
:21:53. > :21:57.Normally they are moaning about the result and performance. Now they
:21:58. > :22:00.will have another go. I was at the game when they got knocked out in
:22:01. > :22:06.the EFL Cup against Southampton. They were not very good. There was
:22:07. > :22:09.brewing around the stadium. Is this the tipping point? Are they going to
:22:10. > :22:14.go on a run of defeats, dropping points at this time of year. They
:22:15. > :22:18.have not, they have bounced back. Finishing top of their group in the
:22:19. > :22:24.Champions League was a massive boost. That psychological boost
:22:25. > :22:27.going forward into this period. Did Charlie Adam stamp on someone? In
:22:28. > :22:32.the build-up to the third goal, Sanchez was felled. The referee
:22:33. > :22:40.played on, the kind of play on that make Dean would have celebrated when
:22:41. > :22:45.the goal went in. Lee Mason. If you slow it down, it looked like the
:22:46. > :22:52.foot of Charlie Adam went on to Sanchez's like, before it went to
:22:53. > :22:57.Alex Iwobi. So it is not stamping? I am not a pundit. What are you
:22:58. > :23:03.saying? In trying to appease both Arsenal and Stoke fans by bringing
:23:04. > :23:07.it up, I have made it worse. I will stay off Twitter this afternoon.
:23:08. > :23:15.Let's talk about Swansea and Sunderland. 3-0 four Swansea. The
:23:16. > :23:24.interesting thing with that game yesterday, afterwards, Bob Bradley
:23:25. > :23:31.talked about the identity of the club, Leon Brittan, Angel Rangel,
:23:32. > :23:37.Gylfi Sigurdsson. One of the accusations about Swansea is they
:23:38. > :23:41.have lost their identity? It was a massive result of them. People who
:23:42. > :23:45.looked at the 5-4 victory against Palace thought it was a possible
:23:46. > :23:49.turning point. I looked at the did -- I looked at the defence and
:23:50. > :23:53.thought, there are more questions than answers. There are people who
:23:54. > :23:59.have been a long time, who understand club. Sigurdsson has been
:24:00. > :24:05.key for them. Everything they do well goes through him. Maybe David
:24:06. > :24:11.Moyes would argue that Sunderland do not have that as much. It is an
:24:12. > :24:17.issue. You need those players, particularly when it is difficult.
:24:18. > :24:21.You can turn to them. Angel Rangel is one of them. Sigurdsson is the
:24:22. > :24:26.talisman. He will have to be consistent if they are going to stay
:24:27. > :24:31.up. I was chatting to a Southampton fan who was upset about the way they
:24:32. > :24:35.are club was being run. You look at Southampton and think it is this
:24:36. > :24:40.great model of Premier League success, the way they have recruited
:24:41. > :24:44.players and managers and sold them for a profit. He was upset that the
:24:45. > :24:46.fans had no permanent players to latch onto and develop relationships
:24:47. > :24:52.with. They were being successful and moving on. What the supporters want
:24:53. > :24:57.from their club, to be successful to have the same group of players to
:24:58. > :25:03.connect with, that is an interesting question. You want both, really.
:25:04. > :25:08.Ideally, that is what you want. You certainly do. Like Bob Bradley said,
:25:09. > :25:11.it is key for Swansea. There has been a period of time where there
:25:12. > :25:17.have been unhappy people at the club. It is key that he gets those
:25:18. > :25:22.players on board. Almost putting more pressure on them, saying, you
:25:23. > :25:27.are the club, what the fans associate with. The pressure is on
:25:28. > :25:30.you. I will give you the responsibility. Not just Leon
:25:31. > :25:36.Brittan, because he is winning the armband. It is Sigurdsson and Lucas
:25:37. > :25:39.Fabianski, to a degree. These players have more of an affiliation
:25:40. > :25:49.with the club, and they can drag the other players with them. It was a
:25:50. > :25:52.vital victory for them. Early on, Sunderland had some chances,
:25:53. > :25:57.particularly with Jermain Defoe. If one of goes -- if one of those goes
:25:58. > :26:02.in, you wondered what you would see from Swansea. They wrote that out.
:26:03. > :26:07.In many ways, it is admired a ball that they rode out that early
:26:08. > :26:10.period. We often flagged up the six pointers and the home side are often
:26:11. > :26:15.under more pressure, particularly of the home side get off to a good
:26:16. > :26:22.start. The home fans are expecting to win. You wonder if the Crystal
:26:23. > :26:25.Palace game had some sort of bidding on their defensive concerns. It
:26:26. > :26:30.looked like a game that could go either way. Even though it was 3-0
:26:31. > :26:37.in the end, for a period, it could have gone either way. Sunderland,
:26:38. > :26:41.the lapses that they are having defensively, it is really costing
:26:42. > :26:46.them. That was the difference yesterday. You'll get that game
:26:47. > :26:51.against Palace. 4-3, you have conceded lots of goals. In that
:26:52. > :26:55.position, it is about getting three points to begin with. Get the three
:26:56. > :26:59.points on the board and build from there. You gain confidence from the
:27:00. > :27:02.victory and move on. They were beaten convincingly at Spurs but
:27:03. > :27:15.they have picked themselves up. There will be game where they get
:27:16. > :27:18.beat. Is how they react afterwards. This is the best response. The game
:27:19. > :27:20.could have gone either way but it did not. It shows they have
:27:21. > :27:25.character. Lots of clubs down there will have to accept they will lose
:27:26. > :27:29.games this season. If you change it back to Sunderland and David Moyes,
:27:30. > :27:33.they have been on an oche run, three victories out of four, before this
:27:34. > :27:39.game. You do not overreact to this defeat. No. I think there will be a
:27:40. > :27:43.massive rotation of positions at the bottom over the course of the
:27:44. > :27:49.season. We are always keen to discuss who is going down. These are
:27:50. > :27:52.definitely going down. If you look at the last five years, there has
:27:53. > :27:57.been a lot of change in the bottom position. No one will get too
:27:58. > :28:02.concerned. Not long ago, Sunderland looked completely bereft. Three
:28:03. > :28:06.victories from four changes things. They are still bottom but the
:28:07. > :28:11.situation is not as bleak. Whenever I talk about Sunderland, I think
:28:12. > :28:17.about Jermain Defoe. The impact he has is massive. His form as some of
:28:18. > :28:23.the best I have seen in his career. He looks like a threat every week.
:28:24. > :28:27.For them, it is priceless. Hull were 3-2 going up into the last minute
:28:28. > :28:32.when Fraizer Campbell scored his equaliser. Lots of attention on
:28:33. > :28:38.Robert Snodgrass for the penalty that he won. He then conceded a
:28:39. > :28:49.penalty. In his radio interview last night, Alan Pardew said that Robert
:28:50. > :28:57.Snodgrass had cheated. OK. After the stamping comment, I am playing at
:28:58. > :29:03.right back to you. I do not look at social media, but he came out and
:29:04. > :29:09.apologised. He said, I was anticipating getting a touch.
:29:10. > :29:18.Therefore, I went down. That classic. I said sorry. If you look
:29:19. > :29:24.at the replies, why did you not tell the referee that, or why did you not
:29:25. > :29:29.miss the penalty? He put his hand up. You can understand the replies
:29:30. > :29:35.as well. Yes. As a spectator and someone playing the game, for me,
:29:36. > :29:40.you do not want to see it. Not on any level, shape or form. You do not
:29:41. > :29:45.want to see people pretending or diving. It is not nice to play
:29:46. > :29:49.against our watch. It is horrible. There is no rule for it. The only
:29:50. > :29:54.way you can look at it, it is the desperation they have to get a
:29:55. > :29:57.result. Maybe it clouds your moral judgment and you do whatever it
:29:58. > :30:03.takes to win the match. I think we've got to to a point where
:30:04. > :30:07.reaction -- where action is taken against diving. All the changes that
:30:08. > :30:10.has been brought into the game, I do not know how we're in a situation
:30:11. > :30:17.where if a player has not been booked for a clear dive, then the FA
:30:18. > :30:20.cannot punish them. If heavier punishments are meted out over time,
:30:21. > :30:24.it will gradually, maybe not immediately, but it will slowly
:30:25. > :30:29.eradicate the problem. You watch things every week on slow motion, at
:30:30. > :30:33.different angles. You see all sorts of things and sometimes you cannot
:30:34. > :30:37.tell if it was a dive or if there was a touch. In clear instances, I
:30:38. > :30:42.think they should. Watching things in slow motion is one of the biggest
:30:43. > :30:46.problems in sport, not just football. Rugby union have been
:30:47. > :30:50.saying, start playing replays in slow motion on big screens because
:30:51. > :30:57.tackles look worse. They should not show it on a big screen. There
:30:58. > :31:00.should be a couple of referees in a room in the stadium watching. They
:31:01. > :31:06.should say to the referee, that was a dive. I think we should use
:31:07. > :31:10.technology as much as possible. Look at Leicester against Manchester City
:31:11. > :31:15.last night. The Jamie Vardy third goal probably would not have been
:31:16. > :31:19.given. The referee would have had to make a decision. The linesman would
:31:20. > :31:25.not have seen it from his angle. With the referee have made the right
:31:26. > :31:29.decision, who knows? Snodgrass is in a great area. He has drawn a
:31:30. > :31:36.defender to ground in the box and missed the ball.
:31:37. > :31:44.You are at leaving yourself open to be exploited. But then he pulled his
:31:45. > :31:50.foot away. I know that seeing that in real time is difficult for a
:31:51. > :31:54.referee or a linesman. That is why they should use technology. The
:31:55. > :32:00.referee's job is the hardest in the world. Who wants to do it? No one
:32:01. > :32:04.wants to do it. In Alan Pardew's interview he said I feel sorry for
:32:05. > :32:10.the referee in that situation but there are a couple of other cases
:32:11. > :32:16.where we should have had a penalty. Given that games now virtually every
:32:17. > :32:21.team will have a player who has dived at some point, it makes it
:32:22. > :32:26.nigh on impossible for the referee to judge. And watching video replays
:32:27. > :32:33.as well makes it difficult to see if it was or was not a dive. We have
:32:34. > :32:37.got to find a balance. In rugby, they have got the system in place
:32:38. > :32:43.and at times they can still get it wrong. It is something we need to
:32:44. > :32:48.evolve. To is hard to know what is the most important thing to focus
:32:49. > :32:51.our attention on. Maybe because it was easier we focused on whether the
:32:52. > :32:56.ball was over the line or not over the line and I know that is the
:32:57. > :33:00.difference between a goal and not a goal and it is easy to do because
:33:01. > :33:06.you can fix a camera to the goalpost. But this is an important
:33:07. > :33:10.issue that we maintain. Unless a referee is dead certain it is a
:33:11. > :33:14.penalty and he blows for a penalty, in that moment of time when play is
:33:15. > :33:18.stopped anyway they could be reviewing the footage. If he is not
:33:19. > :33:27.sure, someone could be checking it when the game continues to flow and
:33:28. > :33:31.say it is a penalty. I don't like criticism of referees because of the
:33:32. > :33:34.things that are discussed that I think if you speak to them in their
:33:35. > :33:38.private moments, they say it is getting to the point where we do
:33:39. > :33:42.need a lot more help in the game. There have been so many marginal
:33:43. > :33:46.calls this season but there have also been some blatant ones that if
:33:47. > :33:50.you look at maybe the position of the referee at the time wasn't so
:33:51. > :33:57.bad, but it is very, very difficult to judge it. I don't think
:33:58. > :34:02.refereeing standards are bad at all. It is a very difficult sort of
:34:03. > :34:08.period. I think refereeing standards are very, very good. I have played
:34:09. > :34:12.all over the world. Some are very substandard. In the Premier League
:34:13. > :34:16.we have some of the best referees. Even to bring it in as a deterrent.
:34:17. > :34:20.I know we are talking about how much it could disrupt the flow of the
:34:21. > :34:25.game but once people can see there is that edge on them and they can go
:34:26. > :34:29.back and check if it is a dive or not you would cut the people
:34:30. > :34:32.simulating by 50% said they would not be that much interruption. Let
:34:33. > :34:54.me give you a stat. The attacking is good and the
:34:55. > :35:02.defending is poor. There have been some thrill a minute games. There
:35:03. > :35:07.seemed to have been so many 3-3 and 3-2 at the moment. It is certainly
:35:08. > :35:13.entertaining. Yesterday, it we looked at the Sunderland defending,
:35:14. > :35:18.we have talked about Manchester City, the standard, some of the poor
:35:19. > :35:23.decision-making, the lack of concentration and effort has been
:35:24. > :35:27.the concern. A large number of individual errors. More goals per
:35:28. > :35:36.game than any other season in the Premier League. What is the score at
:35:37. > :35:41.half-time at Stamford Bridge? 0-0. Chelsea have kept this well oiled
:35:42. > :35:47.machine under control. Ben Foster has not had much to do in the West
:35:48. > :35:53.Brom goal. There was a David Luiz free kick. At the moment, West Brom
:35:54. > :35:58.are halfway to ending Chelsea's winning wrong at eight Premier
:35:59. > :36:04.League games that Tony Pulis will no concentration will be paramount
:36:05. > :36:11.throughout. Cave says there needs to be a panel form so action can be
:36:12. > :36:17.taken. Your first instinct as a player should be to stay on your
:36:18. > :36:24.feet and not go to ground. We'll says you have given Guardiola and
:36:25. > :36:29.easy ride. 85058 and #bbcfootball if you want to get in touch with us.
:36:30. > :36:34.One man not getting an easy ride at the moment is Ronald Koeman. Beaten
:36:35. > :36:40.at Watford three goals to two. One win in ten for the club. I think we
:36:41. > :36:46.can hear from him. I did not expect an easy job in Everton. I know the
:36:47. > :36:50.expectation. I know the critics about the last few seasons and when
:36:51. > :36:57.I signed this contract, I did not expect an easy job. I expect a
:36:58. > :37:00.difficult job because of the history of the club, the expectations for
:37:01. > :37:05.the club, but you need time for this. You cannot change everything
:37:06. > :37:10.that we need to change to improve and what we need to change in a
:37:11. > :37:17.better team will stop a more competitive team and to make
:37:18. > :37:23.everybody happy in six months. -- than six months. You were there
:37:24. > :37:28.yesterday doing that game for BBC Radio 5 Live. What did you think? I
:37:29. > :37:34.think Everton did OK. There was a great ball from Gareth Barry. Lukaku
:37:35. > :37:40.got on the end of it. From that point onwards, they were pretty much
:37:41. > :37:44.second-best to everything. They got bullied all over the pitch. They
:37:45. > :37:51.lacked leadership, they lacked organisation. It was interesting to
:37:52. > :37:54.see them. They looked flat as well. I was really surprised. Normally you
:37:55. > :38:00.are used to the team who are unbeaten. They did not seem
:38:01. > :38:04.competitive yesterday. He mentioned a lot of change as two reasons why
:38:05. > :38:12.they are underperforming but what kind of changes is he making? I do
:38:13. > :38:15.not see drastic changes. He's alluding that he wants to make
:38:16. > :38:20.changes and has not made the changes that he wants to make. He played
:38:21. > :38:27.till a few yesterday who I thought played well he played this season.
:38:28. > :38:31.He seemed up for it and got great crosses over the goal. But Lukaku is
:38:32. > :38:39.not one who wants to get on the end of it too often. The one was Ross
:38:40. > :38:45.Barkley leaving him out. There was an incident before the game that
:38:46. > :38:50.Koeman said Ross needs to work hard and learn and become a better player
:38:51. > :38:54.on the training field. He alluded to the fact that he was not doing that
:38:55. > :39:00.at the moment. He was pretty blunt with his comments and he came on
:39:01. > :39:06.late in the game. They are chasing the game and he didn't really have a
:39:07. > :39:10.chance to affect it either. The lack of leadership is an interesting
:39:11. > :39:17.point because you think there are a lot of leaders in there, Baines,
:39:18. > :39:24.Jagielka, Gareth Barry. I think flat is very much the word. I look at
:39:25. > :39:29.someone like Lukaku is someone who has scored goals but you look at his
:39:30. > :39:34.skill set and he is so aggressive. He has certainly got the ability to
:39:35. > :39:38.be that at times he looked a little bit too nice. Are you willing to
:39:39. > :39:43.believe that centre-half? I think they have other issues on the pitch.
:39:44. > :39:49.If you look at your Southampton side, very nimble front six, he has
:39:50. > :39:54.gone a different way with Everton. He likes to play with wide players.
:39:55. > :40:00.Bolasie wasn't yesterday. I think he has struggled to begin with. He
:40:01. > :40:05.seems to be scratching around really to find a form at the moment. I
:40:06. > :40:14.think one of the problems is their Sony players in that side -- so many
:40:15. > :40:19.players in that side. They were so poor on defending yesterday. All
:40:20. > :40:23.three goals came from wide areas. Two set pieces. And physically being
:40:24. > :40:30.dominant and getting up against people and marking them in the box,
:40:31. > :40:33.it was nonexistent against Everton. Watford to their credit, you have to
:40:34. > :40:51.say they really got at it. The one person who really got them going was
:40:52. > :41:02.Okaka. He was buoying up the players it is kind of what you expect from
:41:03. > :41:11.Troy Deeney. He lifted the whole stadium and the whole team. Arsenal
:41:12. > :41:16.have... There is the Merseyside derby next Monday night. Liverpool
:41:17. > :41:19.play West Ham. But is at 4:30pm kick-off. Graeme Souness has written
:41:20. > :41:25.if Liverpool set out to entertainers, they will end up
:41:26. > :41:29.winning nothing. That is probably a fair comment. You look at Pep
:41:30. > :41:35.Guardiola as well. Do they want to entertain us? Their first priority
:41:36. > :41:40.is to play entertaining football. With Liverpool there is that element
:41:41. > :41:47.of concern as well. The biggest miss is Coutinho. He is the one who makes
:41:48. > :41:53.them tick and he is missed. And also Sturridge. He has had injuries and
:41:54. > :41:59.has not been in the side that often and that has probably affected his
:42:00. > :42:04.confidence and his relationship with Jurgen Klopp. Do they set out to be
:42:05. > :42:12.entertainers? His way of playing is fast, front foot football. Which it
:42:13. > :42:19.is. It happens to be very entertaining. I think Liverpool, if
:42:20. > :42:23.they have an Achilles heel this season which will cost them the
:42:24. > :42:28.title, it may well be the defences and the goalkeeper. I still think
:42:29. > :42:33.he's trying to put the building blocks in place. Matic started
:42:34. > :42:39.really well. James Milner has been a revelation at left-back and Klein
:42:40. > :42:44.has been affected at right back. I think it is just the way they play.
:42:45. > :42:48.He wants to play on the front foot. They are the most entertaining team
:42:49. > :42:52.out of possession and that may be a reason why people look at them and
:42:53. > :42:56.say the intensity that they harass and press the ball is great to
:42:57. > :43:01.watch. It is nice to see that side of the game executed really well. I
:43:02. > :43:09.think that is the biggest change that Klopp has brought to Liverpool.
:43:10. > :43:16.Do you give West Ham a hope this afternoon? Not the way they are
:43:17. > :43:20.playing. Going back to Liverpool and Jurgen Klopp, I think it is part of
:43:21. > :43:25.the DNA. He wants them to be entertaining by virtue of the way
:43:26. > :43:29.they play, it gets the fans up and the manager the way he carries on on
:43:30. > :43:33.the sideline as well. He wants everyone to be engaged and fully
:43:34. > :43:39.involved in the team. As usual when we discussed diving there are views
:43:40. > :43:46.on both sides. PJ says Snodgrass's team are in a relegation battle.
:43:47. > :43:51.Yes, he dived, he's not going to say no to a penalty when some points are
:43:52. > :43:55.desperately needed. Thank you to all your points this afternoon. The
:43:56. > :43:59.second half of Chelsea West Brom is on 5 Live now and we will see you
:44:00. > :44:04.for Match of the Day two later. Goodbye.