:00:32. > :00:36.Welcome to Match of the Day two Extra. We're discussing the
:00:37. > :00:45.weekend's football on BBC One, Radio 5 live and the BBC Sport website.
:00:46. > :00:51.The title race gets more intriguing with Jose Mourinho sent to the
:00:52. > :00:59.stands as Chelsea lost yesterday. Manchester City got they three
:01:00. > :01:09.points. Man Utd have to do the same this afternoon. With me in the
:01:10. > :01:12.studio, former Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane,
:01:13. > :01:28.MOTD commentator Guy Mowbray and the Telegraph's Henry Winter. We want
:01:29. > :01:36.your thoughts. There are so many stories. You were at Villa Park
:01:37. > :01:40.where Aston Villa's win got lost in all the other shenanigans. It is
:01:41. > :01:45.such a shame because Aston Villa played really well. There is a
:01:46. > :01:49.really good Aston Villa team that does not get out often enough. I
:01:50. > :01:55.think it is hurting too. What a lively finish. We are changing our
:01:56. > :02:00.minds every week as to who is going to win the title. Manchester City
:02:01. > :02:05.laid down a marker yesterday lunchtime. Great performance, going
:02:06. > :02:13.down to ten men so early. I thought they were brilliant. They can be
:02:14. > :02:20.very pleased. We will talk more about that later. If we change our
:02:21. > :02:25.mind about who might win the title, we have to change our mind about who
:02:26. > :02:34.is going to go down. With ROM and Fulham winning yesterday. -- West
:02:35. > :02:46.Brom. Running up and down hills has got them fit. For West Brom, Pepe
:02:47. > :02:53.Mel has had to take a lot of stick. You have to admire him. I cannot
:02:54. > :02:57.remember a season like this. Those other subjects we are going to touch
:02:58. > :03:05.on over the next 45 minutes. Let us know your thoughts. The first game
:03:06. > :03:09.this afternoon is at Old Trafford. One of the biggest if not the
:03:10. > :03:14.biggest game in English football no matter where the sides are in the
:03:15. > :03:19.league. Manchester United at home to Brendan Rodgers and Liverpool.
:03:20. > :03:23.Liverpool going for the title. Manchester United still hoping they
:03:24. > :03:36.can get into fourth. Let us hear from Daniel Sturridge.
:03:37. > :03:40.How do you approach it mentally? Try to enjoy it as much as I can. I am
:03:41. > :03:46.playing my natural game. The game I have always been doing. I have been
:03:47. > :03:52.given the opportunity by the manager to go out and do what I do best. It
:03:53. > :03:58.is good to score goals and to be part of such a great thing that is
:03:59. > :04:03.happening at Liverpool. Heavy Liverpool fan wants to know if their
:04:04. > :04:10.team can win the title. -- every Liverpool fan. Of course. It is
:04:11. > :04:17.every player 's's dream. We are second. Man City have games in hand.
:04:18. > :04:21.Chelsea are seven points clear. We are doing everything in our power to
:04:22. > :04:27.get as high as we can in the Premier League. First place, is it
:04:28. > :04:33.realistic? At the moment, it is not, but we do want to when. I would be
:04:34. > :04:44.lying if I said I did not want to win. Let us go to Old Trafford. Does
:04:45. > :04:47.this feel like going back to the 80s in that Manchester United have to
:04:48. > :04:55.stop Liverpool going for the title? Maybe. You will probably remember in
:04:56. > :05:01.those days when Liverpool were winning lots of trophies and
:05:02. > :05:07.Manchester United were struggling, Man Utd often got good results. If
:05:08. > :05:13.you look at the points difference, it is the 40 point swing since this
:05:14. > :05:18.stage last season. United were 29 points better off than Liverpool
:05:19. > :05:24.last even and go into this 11 points worse off. That is huge over the
:05:25. > :05:29.course of 12 months. United with love to try to throw a spanner into
:05:30. > :05:35.Liverpool's title hopes and the Chelsea game yesterday has upped the
:05:36. > :05:44.ante for Liverpool because if they can win, and they have lost ten of
:05:45. > :05:52.their last 11 year, they are right in for a four weight title race. It
:05:53. > :05:59.would be fascinating if they through a spaniel into the title race! You
:06:00. > :06:05.would have the RSPCA. This United were to win, they close the gap
:06:06. > :06:13.ahead of the Derby to eight points which would give them a little bit
:06:14. > :06:20.of belief about getting warmer. And 8-point gap, Arsenal would be
:06:21. > :06:25.difficult, because they do not play before the end of the season, but if
:06:26. > :06:28.they can get it down to eight points against Liverpool, Liverpool have
:06:29. > :06:36.difficult games against Man City and Chelsea and Tottenham, all at
:06:37. > :06:44.Anfield, if Liverpool were to suddenly do a Devon Loch, could they
:06:45. > :06:49.make up the eight points? They would feel it is possible. There are other
:06:50. > :06:55.teams between Manchester United and the Champions League, Tottenham and
:06:56. > :06:59.Everton, but it would not necessarily be impossible. It would
:07:00. > :07:04.be a big win. The big news is that Luis Suarez will be the first
:07:05. > :07:14.footballer to wear knitted boots. You have seen them. I have. They
:07:15. > :07:19.feel a little bit like the nylon you might get on a deck chair. The
:07:20. > :07:29.overall effect is that they are grown, close-up nylon fibre, quite
:07:30. > :07:41.rough to the touch. We did not know for certain Luis Suarez was going to
:07:42. > :07:46.wear them, but they are here. It looks a little bit like he has put a
:07:47. > :07:55.sack over the boots. Going to the website to see a picture if you are
:07:56. > :08:00.listening on BBC Radio 5 live. Luis Suarez, whatever he is waiting, is a
:08:01. > :08:05.danger. The defence has not a particularly assertive, confident,
:08:06. > :08:10.organised. They have a very good goalkeeper but he has not had the
:08:11. > :08:14.protection, so they have to stop the ball going to Luis Suarez. It is not
:08:15. > :08:20.just about Luis Suarez. He is playing Sturridge which is a message
:08:21. > :08:31.to Roy Hodgson about how effective he can be. We know the sort of
:08:32. > :08:37.passes that Gerard can play. -- Steven Gerrard. It will be
:08:38. > :08:44.interesting to see who the Player of the Year as. Henderson has been
:08:45. > :08:50.outstanding. Jordan Henderson, there is nothing wrong with his runnings
:08:51. > :09:01.while. -- running while. All over the field. United have not been
:09:02. > :09:10.great midfield. Sterling is having a fantastic run. United are the
:09:11. > :09:16.favourites for the bookies. I think it is still one of those games.
:09:17. > :09:27.Where form goes out of the window. It is like a Cup tie. Barry says, I
:09:28. > :09:29.am a Liverpool fan but I know that Manchester United will be fired up
:09:30. > :09:37.and give Liverpool a tough game. Elliott says, more proof that he
:09:38. > :09:41.does not have the mental characteristics for the job because
:09:42. > :09:48.he is downplaying it. Is he playing it down? Is it embarrassing? He is
:09:49. > :09:52.trying to deflect any pressure. That is all. We have seen it from various
:09:53. > :09:58.managers, Jose Mourinho does that every week. We recognise the
:09:59. > :10:03.position that Chelsea are in in relation to winning the Premier
:10:04. > :10:12.League. I think the key to the game is the United defence. Liverpool in
:10:13. > :10:18.the transition from defence to attack, it is devastating at times
:10:19. > :10:30.and United push on too match, the way Liverpool counter could cause
:10:31. > :10:37.problems. The Vidic is going in the summer. Do you stick with the newer
:10:38. > :10:44.players and get them to bed in? Perhaps, but you cannot
:10:45. > :10:47.underestimate the experience that Vidic and Ferdinand can bring. That
:10:48. > :10:59.could be key but that looks as if he is going to look to Jones going
:11:00. > :11:03.forward. It is quite a big call because if he does not give them a
:11:04. > :11:08.call he is saying they are not ready but he says he is not in the market
:11:09. > :11:23.to buy a central defender. Does he go with them? Interesting. The other
:11:24. > :11:30.thing in the papers, David Moyes plea to Rooney, talking about them
:11:31. > :11:41.needing to develop a part partnership. A lot of times last
:11:42. > :11:50.season it did not look like a partnership. If he is in his best
:11:51. > :11:57.position, that is fantastic for Rooney. There are little passes for
:11:58. > :12:06.him to run onto. The question is where Juan Mata fits in. Is that
:12:07. > :12:14.selfless attitude a problem? Some people say because he is running
:12:15. > :12:17.everywhere he is not close enough. We recognise that when Rooney has
:12:18. > :12:22.been at his best he has been allowed the freedom of the pitch and I think
:12:23. > :12:33.that is when he is at his restful top -- at his best. David Moyes
:12:34. > :12:37.wants them to change position because Rooney can go on the left
:12:38. > :12:40.and right. This is the sort of position you would want for Rooney,
:12:41. > :12:49.not being restricted, having the freedom to express himself. There is
:12:50. > :12:58.a fluidity and the fluency about Sturridge and Suarez and others.
:12:59. > :13:11.When you think about Juan Mata and away Valencia plays, it is like for
:13:12. > :13:19.like. Rooney and than Percy should be just as effective. How does it
:13:20. > :13:23.change your opinion on the title? Who is in many new is the best
:13:24. > :13:36.manager in the country. -- Jose Mourinho. Liverpool have got the
:13:37. > :13:47.distraction of midweek football. Gerard is driven to win the league
:13:48. > :13:52.with Liverpool. Moving on to yesterday's games, Jose Mourinho was
:13:53. > :14:01.sent to the stands as Chelsea were beaten by Aston Villa. I asked if I
:14:02. > :14:10.could speak five seconds, can I say something five seconds? Was that for
:14:11. > :14:25.walking onto the pitch? I was on the pitch, everybody was on the pitch,
:14:26. > :14:36.Paul Lambert. I was the calm. I think he knew perfectly what he was
:14:37. > :14:42.doing. I do not comment. If I comment, I bring the game into
:14:43. > :14:47.disrepute, and I will be accused. I am not going to give any chance to
:14:48. > :14:56.be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. So no words. Not a
:14:57. > :15:00.single word. The camera is always on the manager, never on the
:15:01. > :15:05.interviewer. RU smiling when you're doing an interview like that or are
:15:06. > :15:11.you trying to keep a straight face? It depends on who it is. Yesterday I
:15:12. > :15:20.was trying to keep a straight face. Yesterday, I was completely baffled.
:15:21. > :15:26.For someone who's not comment -- for someone who not commenting, he was
:15:27. > :15:29.saying and off a lot. He made his point without getting charged. He
:15:30. > :15:37.will not get a phone call from the FA. It is very clever. I still do
:15:38. > :15:41.not know why he was the one to get sent off. It was academic, there
:15:42. > :15:48.were seconds to go. It did not make any difference. He did say that Paul
:15:49. > :15:57.Lambert was on the pitch as well. I am fairly sure, having watched it on
:15:58. > :16:02.MOTD2 Extra, -- MOTD, Paul Lambert went on to the back to pull-back
:16:03. > :16:13.Gabriel Agbonlahor. Do you have any sympathy with Jose Mourinho? The
:16:14. > :16:20.first one, slightly. On Willian's second yellow card? Yes. The second
:16:21. > :16:27.one, Ramires, it is a clear sending off. I think Paul Lambert was
:16:28. > :16:29.seeing, Jose Mourinho is taking it away from Aston Villa, he is
:16:30. > :16:34.deflecting away from our performance. Aston Villa played
:16:35. > :16:47.really well against a top Chelsea team. On the Willian one, it was a
:16:48. > :16:53.game changer. It was a soft booking. But we'd Chris Foy have booked
:16:54. > :16:59.Willian had he not been on a yellow card, and I think that he might have
:17:00. > :17:05.done. It is all about the game and how it is progressing. The game was
:17:06. > :17:07.getting feisty. So often we castigate referees for not producing
:17:08. > :17:16.a yellow card when maybe they should. Is this going to fire the
:17:17. > :17:26.other way? I think we have got to be careful. Jose Mourinho is a baby,
:17:27. > :17:29.says one viewer. Every time Chelsea get beaten, he throws his dummy out
:17:30. > :17:35.of his pram. At least have some dignity and defeat. Fabian Delph was
:17:36. > :17:42.superb yesterday. I felt a bit sorry for Jose Mourinho. He did not
:17:43. > :17:46.deserve to be sent to the stands. From an Aston Villa point of view,
:17:47. > :17:54.it is about doing that more often at Villa Park? Yes, and they have very
:17:55. > :17:59.demanding fans. Paul Lambert understands the European cup. He
:18:00. > :18:05.achieved great things as a player. He is having to manage under latest
:18:06. > :18:13.-- under pretty stringent conditions. That is coming from the
:18:14. > :18:21.chairman. He is shocked that the levels of extravagance in English
:18:22. > :18:26.fruit bowl. -- English football. I have some sympathy for Paul Lambert.
:18:27. > :18:33.But when the attack really gets going, it is fantastic. Fabian Delph
:18:34. > :18:38.was fabulous. I agree with you completely. They were deserved
:18:39. > :18:43.winners. You are touching on Fabian Delph. He seems to get better and
:18:44. > :18:50.better. He had a serious injury when he signed from Leeds United. But he
:18:51. > :18:56.looks like he has real potential. He has never got Neil England. That is
:18:57. > :19:07.another one we can bring into the mix. I am willing to concede now, he
:19:08. > :19:16.definitely did meet that. -- did mean that. It is great to see him
:19:17. > :19:21.blossom. He was well liked at Leeds United. When he left, there were
:19:22. > :19:28.staff in tears. He could have a golden period, for five, six years.
:19:29. > :19:32.I had messages last night from people at Leeds United. They wanted
:19:33. > :19:39.to know how he was playing. They hold them in such high regard. I was
:19:40. > :19:44.at Villa Park when Aston Villa won a lead in the season. It was bouncing,
:19:45. > :19:50.but at other times in the season, it has been very flat. At the risk of
:19:51. > :19:55.encouraging the anger of Villa fans, do they have a responsibility to
:19:56. > :20:00.their team? No, because they are Aston Villa fans. Until yesterday,
:20:01. > :20:06.Paul Lambert had won as many games away from home as he had at home.
:20:07. > :20:12.With the young team that he has got, I wondered if the crowd brings
:20:13. > :20:15.its own pressures. I think you can go to lots of fruit bowl grounds
:20:16. > :20:21.throughout the Premier League and you will get the same reaction if
:20:22. > :20:33.Chelsea come to play. -- football grounds. It takes something special
:20:34. > :20:38.to lift the crowd. It is probably the same for Aston Villa. Does the
:20:39. > :20:44.defeat for Chelsea proved Jose Mourinho rate, when he said that the
:20:45. > :20:51.gap against Manchester City was not large enough? I think it proves what
:20:52. > :21:04.he has been saying since the start of the season. They need a centre
:21:05. > :21:09.forward. Yesterday, it looked like Chelsea had upped their game. But
:21:10. > :21:15.when it did not happen, that was it. Now let's move on to Manchester
:21:16. > :21:21.City. They are the title favourites. Here is Manuel Pellegrini on their
:21:22. > :21:28.victory at home yesterday. It was a very difficult week for our team.
:21:29. > :21:34.Especially today, after two defeats. We were playing 80 minutes with one
:21:35. > :21:42.player less. It was a very difficult game. We had a great response. We
:21:43. > :21:48.started playing in the same way that we were with 11 players. We scored a
:21:49. > :21:59.goal that was very important. We had the clear chances to score another
:22:00. > :22:07.one. I do not remember any clear chances for Hull City. You covered
:22:08. > :22:11.this game yesterday. At the final whistle, we discussed, this was so
:22:12. > :22:18.much more for Manchester City than a routine 2-0 victory. Yes. There was
:22:19. > :22:24.very little time for the players to recover from their midweek game.
:22:25. > :22:30.That result will be so satisfying for Manuel Pellegrini. The manner in
:22:31. > :22:38.which they went about it. Demichelis was brilliant. He organised his
:22:39. > :22:43.defence. They were playing a high line, a dangerous game. Certainly
:22:44. > :22:47.when the ball was being moved forwards by Hull City, they moved up
:22:48. > :22:55.in a line. They had really good shape and it was good to watch.
:22:56. > :23:04.After Vincent Kompany got sent off, Garcia went into the back four.
:23:05. > :23:10.Fernandinho was outstanding. Was it an ideal blueprint of how to play
:23:11. > :23:16.with ten men? Yes. Edin Dzeko was isolated upfront. What he did a good
:23:17. > :23:24.job. But the three behind them, the way that the interchange, -- the way
:23:25. > :23:28.that they interchange, it was brilliant. Pellegrini is right in
:23:29. > :23:36.saying that they had the better chances. Hull City did not create a
:23:37. > :23:39.lot. One of the good elements of this job is parking your car before
:23:40. > :23:50.Manchester City match and healing that David Silva is going to start.
:23:51. > :23:54.-- and hearing. When he came off the pitch the other night, all the
:23:55. > :23:59.Barcelona fans applauded him. They could see what a special players
:24:00. > :24:08.years. I agree with you about Fernandinho. Everyone thought he was
:24:09. > :24:13.a holding midfielder when he came from Spain. But he was going from
:24:14. > :24:22.box to box. Yes, I think we are seeing a player, apple -- at player
:24:23. > :24:27.for your getting more interchange. He is very disciplined. He can
:24:28. > :24:30.interchange with Yaya Toure. The papers this morning are
:24:31. > :24:38.concentrating on the argument between George Boyd and Joe Hart.
:24:39. > :24:43.Joe Hart said in the mirror this morning, George Boyd did not spit at
:24:44. > :24:47.me. It certainly looked that way, and Joe Hart put his head into
:24:48. > :24:58.George Boyd after George Boyd had died. -- had dived. High-definition
:24:59. > :25:02.and slow motion can make things look worse than they are. It did look
:25:03. > :25:06.intentional, but maybe it was something that came out when they
:25:07. > :25:12.were having a go at each other. We have to be very careful in terms of
:25:13. > :25:17.throwing the book at George Boyd. Is it easier to throw the book at him
:25:18. > :25:22.for the way that he went down? Definitely. You can see the anger
:25:23. > :25:26.from Joe Hart. He has had to reconsider his career over the last
:25:27. > :25:32.few months. The mistake against Fernando Torres at Chelsea. He was
:25:33. > :25:35.dropped. But Joe Hart has been fantastic since he has come back.
:25:36. > :25:41.The goalkeeping coach has worked with him. He is such a focused
:25:42. > :25:46.individual that when he saw player cheating against him, as George Boyd
:25:47. > :25:52.did, he reacted like that. Does he have to worry. If he reacted to
:25:53. > :25:58.something like that in Brazil, at the World Cup, he would have to go?
:25:59. > :26:04.I think he has to go to the World Cup now he is playing so well. I
:26:05. > :26:10.think it was infuriating that the referee did not bid George Boyd. His
:26:11. > :26:15.manager has tried to defend him. He said he was anticipating the
:26:16. > :26:18.contact. Sometimes it is done quickly. You can never tell from
:26:19. > :26:24.your position if there has been contact. But it did look like he was
:26:25. > :26:29.looking for a penalty. He did not make much of it, and that is what
:26:30. > :26:35.infuriated Joe Hart. Last week in the Bundesliga, a Werder Bremen
:26:36. > :26:41.player went down anticipating contact. And the referee give a
:26:42. > :26:48.penalty. He got up and said, that was not a penalty. They were 2-0 up
:26:49. > :26:55.at the time. I think we often see that quite often. We see players get
:26:56. > :27:01.up and make out they were not appealing for anything. Is this the
:27:02. > :27:08.ones that go down and appeal. -- it is the ones. He probably had a good
:27:09. > :27:14.penalty claim from Fernandinho later, when he was barged in the
:27:15. > :27:20.back, and he did not get that one. I hope that referees clamp down on
:27:21. > :27:26.this, and managers as well. John Terry had a word with Didier Drogba
:27:27. > :27:31.once, when he did that. Managers need to say, if you're going to
:27:32. > :27:45.dive, I am not going to play you. Tony Pulis has done that in recent
:27:46. > :27:49.weeks. It is happening more. Let's get back to Old Trafford. Alistair
:27:50. > :27:56.Bruce-Ball is doing this game for radio. He can give us the team news.
:27:57. > :27:59.There is one change for each side. Nemanja Vidic returns for Manchester
:28:00. > :28:05.United. He comes in for Chris Smalling. Raheem Sterling starts for
:28:06. > :28:13.Liverpool. Philippe Coutinho drops to the bench. The teams are on the
:28:14. > :28:34.screen. Two attacking line-ups.
:28:35. > :28:44.You build a rather odd face their? No. I am not surprised that he has
:28:45. > :28:52.picked the man you Vidic. -- that he has picked Vidic. It is for his
:28:53. > :28:56.experience. I think David Moyes is saying that he is going to be a key
:28:57. > :29:00.player for us until the end of the season. We need to get ourselves
:29:01. > :29:08.back in the frame for the Champions League. Chris Smalling may be
:29:09. > :29:16.injured. Perhaps that is why he is not on the bench. Liverpool are
:29:17. > :29:21.going to play Raheem Sterling against Patrice Evra. You could
:29:22. > :29:28.imagine that Raheem Sterling will enjoy running at him. The commentary
:29:29. > :29:35.from four o'clock on five live is the North London derby. Let's hear
:29:36. > :29:39.from the managers. It has always been difficult at White Hart Lane,
:29:40. > :29:48.but we are in a position where we want to win the game. After Stoke
:29:49. > :29:52.City, it is very important that we had the good result against Everton.
:29:53. > :29:59.We had a good result against Bayern Munich, but we need to continue and
:30:00. > :30:05.have no weak moments until the end of the season. I always thought it
:30:06. > :30:12.was a good time to play Arsenal. It is the nature of the game. It is ups
:30:13. > :30:17.and downs. You have to soldier on. We are in a difficult period at the
:30:18. > :30:25.moment. After two defeats, we need to go out there and be counted, and
:30:26. > :30:32.I am sure that we will. Tim Sherwood has had a tough week. The Benfica
:30:33. > :30:36.game they were quite poor. I think they played quite well against
:30:37. > :30:44.Chelsea, certainly for 55-60 minutes. I think they were holding
:30:45. > :30:52.their own, playing quite well, and that was compounded by the result
:30:53. > :30:56.against Benfica. Slate realism. -- it is like. It was a massive
:30:57. > :31:03.change. He is having a tough time. That is management. He has been a
:31:04. > :31:11.breath of fresh air because he has freshened up the squad. He went on a
:31:12. > :31:17.good run. I have one or two tactical issues. A lot of better teams would
:31:18. > :31:26.have lost to Benfica the other night. I love his honesty. It may be
:31:27. > :31:31.upsetting a few players. I preferred it when a manager comes out and
:31:32. > :31:38.criticises you. That sort of thing does not bother me. He would have
:31:39. > :31:41.said it to their faithfuls top -- to their face. It is a different
:31:42. > :31:51.mentality because of the way players are brought to through. The
:31:52. > :32:03.professionals have a responsibility to help Sherwood out. Dawson has
:32:04. > :32:09.been injured. If you look around the team, you think, where are the
:32:10. > :32:14.natural leaders? They have brought in some good young players but they
:32:15. > :32:21.do not have the leaders. As far as Arsenal are concerned, Neal says,
:32:22. > :32:26.four usual certainties missing in the most important month, we have
:32:27. > :32:34.been talking about strikers but as the move looking like a
:32:35. > :32:42.masterstroke? If he is fit. He is never going to play, is he? It looks
:32:43. > :32:48.as if his back problem is going to keep him out for good. That leads us
:32:49. > :32:58.on to the article in the Telegraph this morning, with him saying he is
:32:59. > :33:06.going to a new level. How did you find him? I do not mean what route
:33:07. > :33:13.did you take! He is intelligent, eloquent, there is a high contact,
:33:14. > :33:19.he debates tactical issues with eloquence. Watching him against AC
:33:20. > :33:27.Milan two years ago, he was then passed it playing centrally --
:33:28. > :33:35.fantastic. I really like him. Everyone hopes that he will come
:33:36. > :33:40.back to full fitness, but he gives England that option because he can
:33:41. > :33:43.win the ball. That runs he had after half an hour against Bayern Munich,
:33:44. > :33:52.look at the players he was going past. This was not a Championship
:33:53. > :34:06.side. They have one European cups, World Cup winners -- players who
:34:07. > :34:10.have won the World Cup. This is a player who likes the big stages but
:34:11. > :34:17.he has to be played centrally. I think he showed his best form when
:34:18. > :34:25.he played centrally. He can run with the ball. He can also pick out a
:34:26. > :34:29.pass and tackle will stop he knows to put his foot in and tackle and
:34:30. > :34:36.have the responsibility to cover his defence. His all-round game is
:34:37. > :34:41.coming on. That is where I see him, playing centrally. He has had a
:34:42. > :34:46.football education from an early age. They would have watched matches
:34:47. > :34:56.together and he would have educated him. He has had a head start
:34:57. > :35:05.anyway. -- in a way. Could you see him at the World Cup? Yes. Thinking
:35:06. > :35:14.of Gerrard and Henderson together, it goes so well. We do not know how
:35:15. > :35:20.fit he will be by the summer. Is he next? He might be. I do not see a
:35:21. > :35:24.problem with that if he is playing that well for Arsenal and playing
:35:25. > :35:34.against players he would be playing against in the World Cup. He said, I
:35:35. > :35:49.am not fond of riders and snakes. -- spiders. Who could miss out?
:35:50. > :35:54.Lampard? Possibly. Whether or not it is in Roy Hodgson's maned to take
:35:55. > :36:04.him because of his experience, there is a debate. I think the experience
:36:05. > :36:19.holds. You know the game. It is what the likes of Chamberlain, Henderson,
:36:20. > :36:25.give you, energy wise, like -- legs. Two intelligent players who do not
:36:26. > :36:37.give the ball away. I do not think there is a debate about them. I am a
:36:38. > :36:49.huge Berkeley fun. I am not sure if he makes the cut. You are throwing
:36:50. > :36:55.names in. They did it with strikers last night. You start to think about
:36:56. > :36:59.which good players are not going to make the England squad. We know we
:37:00. > :37:07.are not going to win the World Cup, but used art to think, this is not
:37:08. > :37:18.half bad. I am getting excited. You are right. Try to pick 23. It is
:37:19. > :37:25.hard. It is more exciting than we thought it would be. We are playing
:37:26. > :37:35.Italy. England are playing against Uruguay and Suarez is useful. That
:37:36. > :37:46.has brought the mood down. Phil on and with from getting the first --
:37:47. > :37:52.film Fulham and West Brom getting their first wins for their
:37:53. > :38:04.managers. The players worked very hard. The fans were very kind with
:38:05. > :38:17.me. Congratulations. How does it feel? Very glad. Very proud of my
:38:18. > :38:24.team because it was hard work today. I think we have realised that we are
:38:25. > :38:36.able to stay in the league. Pepe Mel and Felix Magath. We can talk to the
:38:37. > :38:42.wingback. What are you laughing at? I spoke with Robbie earlier and it
:38:43. > :38:48.probably was not my finest first half I have ever played. I was
:38:49. > :38:54.rolling back the years a little bit going wingback, may be right back
:38:55. > :39:00.would be more me. We will come back to your personal performance and
:39:01. > :39:05.what Robbie Savage did you last night, but was the overriding
:39:06. > :39:13.feeling in the dressing room late relief? Yes. It was a massive win.
:39:14. > :39:19.We find ourselves in a difficult position, but the overriding feeling
:39:20. > :39:27.was relief. It has been difficult to see where our next win is coming
:39:28. > :39:35.from, but hopefully that will kick-start the next run of games.
:39:36. > :39:38.What goes on at half-time? Second half performances are very different
:39:39. > :39:44.from first-half since Pepe Mel took over. That has been the difference.
:39:45. > :39:49.I do not know if it has been a better realisation at half-time that
:39:50. > :39:53.we are in it. Sometimes it takes us to go a goal down to get going. We
:39:54. > :39:58.could not have got off to a worst possible start yesterday. I put
:39:59. > :40:03.myself at fault for the goal. Half-time came at every good time
:40:04. > :40:07.for us yesterday to give us a chance to regroup and the coaches came into
:40:08. > :40:15.their own at half-time. We went out with the lots more aggression,
:40:16. > :40:23.desire to get up to the ball at the second half was a completely
:40:24. > :40:31.different side. Did he apologise? We had a bit of banter. Friendships go
:40:32. > :40:39.out the window and you have to be honest! You have to get on with it.
:40:40. > :40:44.It has been the story of our season. We have had a lot of adversity. We
:40:45. > :40:49.have had a lot of criticism individually and as a team, as
:40:50. > :40:53.players and other club. You have to get on with these things. From the
:40:54. > :41:04.second half performance that showed that we can dig in when it counts.
:41:05. > :41:12.Leave Robbie to us. Sort him out! That will give them massive belief.
:41:13. > :41:18.I am surprised because I thought he could play up front on his own, with
:41:19. > :41:26.another striker, have they got the cutting edge? They have experienced
:41:27. > :41:30.defenders, very good goalkeeper. You would think they will pull out of it
:41:31. > :41:37.but I am pleased for Pepe Mel because he has taken a lot of
:41:38. > :41:47.criticism. No surprise Fulham win, says Andrew. Fulham will have come
:41:48. > :41:52.back in and seen a lot of other results probably not go the way they
:41:53. > :42:00.wanted. Probably looking at Newcastle, Newcastle are safe, a lot
:42:01. > :42:04.of people will target those games. It is a massive win. You have to get
:42:05. > :42:10.that out of the way. There is so much talk about it. So much talk
:42:11. > :42:17.about Felix Magath and his training and his hill runs. I think he has a
:42:18. > :42:23.lot of experience and he has brought success to Bayern Munich and other
:42:24. > :42:26.club. He is a top class manager with little experience in the Premier
:42:27. > :42:37.League but it might take time to adjust. He has made big calls early.
:42:38. > :42:43.He dropped the World Cup keeper or four years ago, not surprisingly,
:42:44. > :42:50.because he has been making mistakes. He is not afraid to make the big
:42:51. > :43:04.calls. You cannot take your eye off it. It was only a month and a bit
:43:05. > :43:16.ago that people wanted some alibis out -- Sam Allardyce. Cardiff
:43:17. > :43:24.probably had the most damaging defeat. Probably saying, we are hurt
:43:25. > :43:30.by this because we played well, but Everton are a good side. Andy, I
:43:31. > :43:35.predict Norwich for relegation, woeful despite being gifted two
:43:36. > :43:40.goals. Patrick, the relegation battle will go to the latter three
:43:41. > :43:47.games, for the bottom eight or nine it is going to go to the wire. Thank
:43:48. > :43:54.you for your company. Manchester United against Liverpool, updates on
:43:55. > :44:01.Radio 5 live and you will be able to watch both of today's games later.