0:00:33 > 0:00:41A very good afternoon and welcome to Match of the Day 2 Extra on BBC Two,
0:00:41 > 0:00:465Live, the BBC to sports website, the app and the iPlayer. Joining me,
0:00:46 > 0:00:51the Grinch of football, Chris Sutton, Guy Mowbray of Match of the
0:00:51 > 0:00:55Day and Andy Dunne. Get in touch using the hashtag BBC football and
0:00:55 > 0:01:04text us as well. Arsenal victorious in the North London Turvey as Arsene
0:01:04 > 0:01:08Wenger claims Mesut Ozil and Alexis Sanchez want to stay. Pressure on
0:01:08 > 0:01:13Pulis as West Brom are beaten at home by Chelsea, now without a win
0:01:13 > 0:01:17in ten. Man City have won ten league games in a row but can they go the
0:01:17 > 0:01:21season unbeaten? And we will be live at Watford for the latest on head
0:01:21 > 0:01:30coach Marco Silva ahead of Everton's game at West Ham at 4pm. These are
0:01:30 > 0:01:32some of the back pages.
0:01:35 > 0:01:39The Sunday Mirror saying Jose Mourinho will make a £40 million
0:01:39 > 0:01:41move for Danny Rose.
0:01:43 > 0:01:48Thierry Henry a surprise name on the short list to replace Chris Coleman.
0:01:49 > 0:01:53Arsene Wenger admitting love might not be enough to keep Sanchez and
0:01:53 > 0:01:58Mesut Ozil at the emirates. That is where we start because they
0:01:58 > 0:02:02were key to Arsenal's win in the north London derby yesterday. After
0:02:02 > 0:02:08the game this was Arsene Wenger on Ozil.He has shown he is not only a
0:02:08 > 0:02:17great player but can fight, work for the team. He showed his nature today
0:02:17 > 0:02:21and worked very hard defensively as well.Is this important statement,
0:02:21 > 0:02:26top them are the team now, Arsenal are the gone team, people are saying
0:02:26 > 0:02:32-- Spurs are the team now?People want always to go quickly to
0:02:32 > 0:02:38definite conclusions, and I think, let's perform and focus and take the
0:02:38 > 0:02:45positive out of this game today and try to bring it into the next one.
0:02:45 > 0:02:49Andy, who would have thought, Mesut Ozil, applauded off, standing
0:02:49 > 0:02:54ovation at the emirates, have we seen a change in his attitude?No, I
0:02:54 > 0:02:58think it's his form. Personally I have never questioned his attitude.
0:02:58 > 0:03:03I know many have, but I think when he is out of form, when his
0:03:03 > 0:03:07confidence is low, when Arsenal are not playing well, it doesn't look
0:03:07 > 0:03:10great, his manner doesn't look great, but I don't think he doesn't
0:03:10 > 0:03:20put in what you would call a shift. I just think his form is better and
0:03:20 > 0:03:23he enjoys playing in a system of Ozil, Sanchez and Lacazette, he
0:03:23 > 0:03:25loves that three, and you see the three, it seems such a difference
0:03:25 > 0:03:29when the interaction, exchange of movement is between the three, and
0:03:29 > 0:03:33he has options. To my mind it is either him or David Silva, the best
0:03:33 > 0:03:37passers, the best spotters of a pass in the Premier League. They can see
0:03:37 > 0:03:43where others can't, they can see down avenues, behind closed doors.
0:03:43 > 0:03:47Now he has those options and I think he is really enjoying his football.
0:03:47 > 0:03:52He looked to be enjoying playing for Germany in November and he is a
0:03:52 > 0:03:59class player.I think he was unfairly singled out by many pundits
0:03:59 > 0:04:03when Arsenal weren't playing well. He was the one to blame then, but we
0:04:03 > 0:04:08all knew what Mesut Ozil was when he came over, he is a craftsman, a
0:04:08 > 0:04:13technician. He has more assists than anybody since he came to the Premier
0:04:13 > 0:04:18League. You know he will sometimes not do this shift but I think he
0:04:18 > 0:04:22took unfair criticism and I was pleased for him yesterday. There is
0:04:22 > 0:04:26no doubt that Arsenal are more potent attacking course when he is
0:04:26 > 0:04:34in the team.Maybe it is a case of final year of contract, I am going
0:04:34 > 0:04:42to up my game?I think that is unfair. I don't know what you are
0:04:42 > 0:04:47suggesting in terms of...I'm just being cynical, he'll get a club
0:04:47 > 0:04:52anyway.You could argue the other way. He could down tools and wait
0:04:52 > 0:04:57for his move at the end of the season. But I thought his
0:04:57 > 0:04:59performance was absolutely outstanding.You must have played
0:04:59 > 0:05:04with players like that, you cannot read body language, everyone is
0:05:04 > 0:05:08different from time immemorial.But we knew the player he was when he
0:05:08 > 0:05:12came over here. I think when things were going wrong that Arsenal people
0:05:12 > 0:05:19just picked on Mesut Ozil aren't leave other players.He is an
0:05:19 > 0:05:23individual within the club. He is clearly a confident boy, let's put
0:05:23 > 0:05:28it that way. That can come across. Small example, or when Arsenal come
0:05:28 > 0:05:33onto the pitch for the second half, they put miniature cones out and the
0:05:33 > 0:05:38players have to run through them, you know what I mean? They all do
0:05:38 > 0:05:45it, Ozil just walks past. The thing is,, he rates himself as a
0:05:45 > 0:05:48world-class talent and that doesn't come across too well.I think he
0:05:48 > 0:05:56lost confidence.He was taking a hell of a bashing.Is it amazing
0:05:56 > 0:06:01that we are in this situation where they haven't tied down the futures
0:06:01 > 0:06:06of Sanchez and Ozil?What Guy said about, cynics might say that,
0:06:06 > 0:06:10realists might say you look at a performance like that yesterday,
0:06:10 > 0:06:14which is why for Arsenal fans, nothing but sweet, but in the end
0:06:14 > 0:06:18bittersweet because to see them play like that is a reminder to anyone
0:06:18 > 0:06:24who doubted it, both of these players will be able to walk into a
0:06:24 > 0:06:27big club, and even bigger club maybe, at the end of the season.
0:06:27 > 0:06:33What Man United sign him on a free? They would. But they take Sanchez,
0:06:33 > 0:06:37they would. How bitter must you be as an Arsenal fan knowing this
0:06:37 > 0:06:41scenario could happen?Arsene Wenger says, I am convinced they love the
0:06:41 > 0:06:45club and the team but the rest will be decided when, I don't know, I
0:06:45 > 0:06:48believe they love the club and want to stay but other top clubs can
0:06:48 > 0:06:53offer them good contracts. Clearly...They don't love the club
0:06:53 > 0:06:58that much.Money talks, people could offer better deals and it would be
0:06:58 > 0:07:03under threat.The truth is, Arsenal will be at the stage of their
0:07:03 > 0:07:08careers, wanting to win things, and they will think they will have a
0:07:08 > 0:07:11better opportunity elsewhere. I don't think it is for the wages.
0:07:11 > 0:07:18They get paid enough.I read in your column, Andy...Chris Wood like to
0:07:18 > 0:07:18think that!LAUGHTER
0:07:18 > 0:07:21column, Andy...Chris Wood like to think that!LAUGHTER.You know what
0:07:21 > 0:07:26I'm getting at.Yes, when enough is enough, but you also have the
0:07:26 > 0:07:33agents...They'd go to China, wouldn't they?If you are going to a
0:07:33 > 0:07:37club, say for example Manchester City. I hope they stay at Arsenal
0:07:37 > 0:07:41because I think they are a good fit with the club, I see what Wenger
0:07:41 > 0:07:46says. I think they like it fairer and it is a great club, but take
0:07:46 > 0:07:50Manchester City, they will be able to offer them significantly more.
0:07:50 > 0:07:55The best of both worlds.And a significantly better chance of
0:07:55 > 0:08:06winning.You said a top club, would Jose Mourinho take Ozil at Man
0:08:06 > 0:08:09United, Pep Guardiola at City or across Europe? Would he go to an
0:08:09 > 0:08:11equally good club or a better one?A better club.Would he?Absolutely.
0:08:11 > 0:08:17You could get him for nothing. He is a top player and I think he has
0:08:17 > 0:08:21proven he is a player who has frustrated many people over there
0:08:21 > 0:08:25because they perceive his workrate or lack thereof as a weakness, but
0:08:25 > 0:08:30when you look at the flip which people be focusing on, his talent
0:08:30 > 0:08:36and assists, he is up there with anybody.You were saying in your
0:08:36 > 0:08:39column, as a trio, Lacazette, Sanchez and Ozil are up there with
0:08:39 > 0:08:44the best in the Premier League.I thought it was unfathomable that
0:08:44 > 0:08:50Wenger didn't play all three the start against Man City. I know why
0:08:50 > 0:08:54he did it because he did it before at City and got a good result there,
0:08:54 > 0:08:58but when I saw them for the first time, they had only played together
0:08:58 > 0:09:02for the first time at Goodison when they won 5-2, they were excellent,
0:09:02 > 0:09:07and they played again at home, won that game and again yesterday, only
0:09:07 > 0:09:12three times they have played together. When you look at City and
0:09:12 > 0:09:19the trio and United yesterday, Rashford, Martial and Lukaku, hold
0:09:19 > 0:09:21don't play together much but you look at them yesterday and you
0:09:21 > 0:09:26think, this is the way forward, and this is the way forward for Arsenal.
0:09:26 > 0:09:31I am surprised. I don't think he will do that again. If they are fit
0:09:31 > 0:09:36they will be the front three for Arsenal now as long as they are
0:09:36 > 0:09:41available.On the flip side, Guy, a significant defeat for Tottenham.It
0:09:41 > 0:09:47is.If Arsenal lost, how toxic that would have been, but significant.
0:09:47 > 0:09:54There were mitigating circumstances, clearly Kane and Dele Alli won't
0:09:54 > 0:09:58fit, so there is that to consider. What does that say, that he didn't
0:09:58 > 0:10:04go with Song and Llorente?In the biggest game probably not.He
0:10:04 > 0:10:09doesn't trust them?That is a good point, Llorente... Chelsea wanted
0:10:09 > 0:10:17him Ntep top and got the nod, and I said at the time, but clearly
0:10:17 > 0:10:24Pocchetino, to play at 80% over Llorente, it is a slap in the face
0:10:24 > 0:10:33Llorente.That's what it is. Llorente has not started one game.
0:10:33 > 0:10:38You would think the less again they might have an opportunity.What does
0:10:38 > 0:10:42that say, is the weight structure hampering them, because they had
0:10:42 > 0:10:53hundred Llorente.It just isn't Mac game a lot about Harry Kane. -- it
0:10:53 > 0:10:57says a lot about Harry Kane. At the moment he will get you a goal out of
0:10:57 > 0:11:05little. He is a different striker to Lorenzo, more of a shoot on sight
0:11:05 > 0:11:09guy, and I think Wenger wants that. I don't think he realised, probably
0:11:09 > 0:11:14once the game started, that Harry Kane wasn't 100%. I think Dele Alli
0:11:14 > 0:11:19might have just had a bad game.In terms of stats, we look at the
0:11:19 > 0:11:25fellow big five teams around Spurs, 17 games, won away from home just
0:11:25 > 0:11:29once at those big five clubs.And honestly I couldn't believe that
0:11:29 > 0:11:35when I heard it. That didn't register. It must be a worry.
0:11:35 > 0:11:41Clearly the stat is correct, but it surprised me. Spurs are a good
0:11:41 > 0:11:43outfit and have done exceptionally well in the last couple of seasons
0:11:43 > 0:11:49but they have to write that.I only saw the highlights yesterday but it
0:11:49 > 0:12:00shows you how big this is their best defender will be.I was going
0:12:00 > 0:12:08through the games...You were the best British columnist at the game!
0:12:08 > 0:12:08LAUGHTER
0:12:08 > 0:12:11best British columnist at the game! LAUGHTER.I thought to myself, that
0:12:11 > 0:12:16is a damning statistic. I would say, some of the managers as well,
0:12:16 > 0:12:20Mourinho for example, hasn't got a good record against the other top
0:12:20 > 0:12:26five teams. You can actually... As long as you are destructive in your
0:12:26 > 0:12:30other games you can get away with it. But we asked Pocchetino about it
0:12:30 > 0:12:36and he was unaware until we brought it up. I just think, yesterday...
0:12:36 > 0:12:41They were half a yard off it. Unusually, Arsenal were caught by
0:12:41 > 0:12:48surprise, pushing very high and pressing.Dele Alli is a worry and I
0:12:48 > 0:12:52know how well he performed against Madrid, and I take that, but this
0:12:52 > 0:12:56season he hasn't shown the consistency of level he was last
0:12:56 > 0:13:03season. He has been off it. Talk about Harry Kane, but I think Dele
0:13:03 > 0:13:07Alli would be the one who would be the real worry for me, he needs to
0:13:07 > 0:13:12hit the heights of last season. Let's talk about West Brom. No win
0:13:12 > 0:13:17in ten for West Brom after a 4-0 defeat against Chelsea yesterday.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21Here is there under fire manager Tony Pulis.The board will decide
0:13:21 > 0:13:28what they have to do. We will keep going and keep working, and I have
0:13:28 > 0:13:33been in this position before, I am experienced enough. It is up to
0:13:33 > 0:13:38them. I feel for the players, they have still worked very hard today.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42It has just been basic mistakes that have cost us. When you play the top
0:13:42 > 0:13:46teams you have to be bang on it, you can't allow the goals we have
0:13:46 > 0:13:50allowed today.The owner was watching, a rare visit, do you feel
0:13:50 > 0:13:59in your heart of hearts you retain his confidence marked
0:13:59 > 0:14:01in your heart of hearts you retain his confidence marked.I spoke to
0:14:01 > 0:14:06them yesterday and I believe they are good people. It is not about the
0:14:06 > 0:14:09chairman or directors, it is about the football club. That is more
0:14:09 > 0:14:16important than anybody.The Sunday Times says Pulis is on the brink, we
0:14:16 > 0:14:19will talk about his future in a minute but get in touch especially
0:14:19 > 0:14:22if you are a West Brom band. Dave says West Brom should be careful
0:14:22 > 0:14:30what they wish for, remember Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine. Steve says they
0:14:30 > 0:14:33would always lose to Chelsea, the owners need to invest more in
0:14:33 > 0:14:40players. Philip says the issue is who can bring the best out of the
0:14:40 > 0:14:50team. Chuck says... We don't want to go there! Chuck says it was sad
0:14:50 > 0:14:53hearing West Brom fans during the match, I am a Chelsea supporter but
0:14:53 > 0:14:57hearing, you'll be sacked in the morning and get out of our club was
0:14:57 > 0:15:01horrible. Does Pulis seem resigned? He seemed resigned before the game
0:15:01 > 0:15:06saying he wasn't bothered if they sacked him.That is probably what
0:15:06 > 0:15:11roused West Brom plans the most. They feel he has been stubborn in
0:15:11 > 0:15:16this sense, that they are flooding social media to complain about, not
0:15:16 > 0:15:20just losing games but the style of football and how grim it is to
0:15:20 > 0:15:25watch, and it is almost as though he is saying, I will not change, I will
0:15:25 > 0:15:29not change the way I play. In fact, I will be even more Tony Pulis than
0:15:29 > 0:15:37the original. I think that has brought the situation to a crisis
0:15:37 > 0:15:44point. It has to be resolved.
0:15:44 > 0:15:48Why should he change? He has never been relegated. West Brom Frans
0:15:48 > 0:15:53Steyn to be careful for what they wish for to an extent but they are
0:15:53 > 0:15:58brittle and boring to watch. They have brought in the players during
0:15:58 > 0:16:01the summer and the West Brom fans wanted to see a different brand of
0:16:01 > 0:16:08football. Why are they so boring? Because of the way that the play.
0:16:08 > 0:16:14They are directing goal long. They are well organised.The full-backs
0:16:14 > 0:16:20are really go across the halfway line.We have to get results. If
0:16:20 > 0:16:25they are getting results are not in a nice position, it is all Greek to
0:16:25 > 0:16:29play like that. When you are languishing in the bottom, it is
0:16:29 > 0:16:34going to cause a problem. They have got Tottenham next away. Then the
0:16:34 > 0:16:43Newcastle at home. And then it is Crystal Palace at home. Newcastle at
0:16:43 > 0:16:47home and Crystal Palace at home, he needs to get results in those games
0:16:47 > 0:16:54the pressure is on.I believe it is the best league in the world to
0:16:54 > 0:17:00watch. This is where the model falls down. I totally understand the club
0:17:00 > 0:17:04and Tony Pulis. He is doing his best to keep the club in the Premier
0:17:04 > 0:17:08League, it is the be all and end all. He has done it all his career.
0:17:08 > 0:17:15I understand that the fans as well. What is the point, I not going to be
0:17:15 > 0:17:20entertained by Chelsea, I want to watch my team beat Chelsea.Let us
0:17:20 > 0:17:23listen to Alan Shearer last night on Match of the Day about what West
0:17:23 > 0:17:32Brom should do.The crowd has turned. It doesn't look good. I
0:17:32 > 0:17:38would not find him, never relegated. Three years, 13th, 14th and 10th. If
0:17:38 > 0:17:42there was a club who were struggling and he was out of a job, they were
0:17:42 > 0:17:47turned to him to keep them in the Premier League.Perhaps they should
0:17:47 > 0:17:53sack and then hire him back, stroke of genius, not time to make fun of
0:17:53 > 0:17:58the tough situation.They are three points of 12 position. I would give
0:17:58 > 0:18:03them a pupil games.Is it the nature of football, some of the West Brom
0:18:03 > 0:18:08fans.It is understandable but he is good at keeping teams up. He has
0:18:08 > 0:18:12never been relegated so that is a reason I would not get rid of him
0:18:12 > 0:18:16just yet.This message heard from Christophe
0:18:23 > 0:18:29he should go for the Wales job when it is available. Routers that
0:18:29 > 0:18:33situation is that? Ryan Giggs has been mentioned but Tony Pulis made
0:18:33 > 0:18:38no secret he was to manage his country one day.No one would ever
0:18:38 > 0:18:44suggest that he is manufacturing this situation. That would be an
0:18:44 > 0:18:50option. Whether or not that would be if he has the reputation now, that
0:18:50 > 0:18:53West Brom fans are stating that it is terrible football, would welsh
0:18:53 > 0:19:00fans be happy watching that? If that follows you around, that'll be the
0:19:00 > 0:19:07issue whatever you go.West Brom fans have to be realistic as well. I
0:19:07 > 0:19:12think West Brom have to stick with him. In terms of will he keep them
0:19:12 > 0:19:17up, guess he will at the end of the season. That they want to change the
0:19:17 > 0:19:20way they want to play, they have to invest a lot of money and change
0:19:20 > 0:19:28managers. At the time he is the best man for that job.The owners well
0:19:28 > 0:19:32there yesterday. You could cut back atmosphere with a knife.It is all
0:19:32 > 0:19:36about staying in the Premier League. That is what the owners must be
0:19:36 > 0:19:43thinking about, not the brand of football. They would like to have a
0:19:43 > 0:19:47scintillating, open brand of football with lots of goals but it
0:19:47 > 0:19:51is about imperialism.We are in trouble, let us stay up. If we built
0:19:51 > 0:19:56a full name and the hat, Michael O'Neill.He has been linked
0:19:56 > 0:19:59everywhere and I thought he was about to take the national team job
0:19:59 > 0:20:08of Scotland.If you are by Colonial, what is a better job for him, West
0:20:08 > 0:20:15Brom or Scotland?It depends whether Michael wants to go in to club
0:20:15 > 0:20:20management. That he had a choice, I think he would take West Brom over
0:20:20 > 0:20:30Scotland.Etihad a few more quid.I don't know this, I am guessing. I
0:20:30 > 0:20:35think you would like a job in the Premier League at some stage.West
0:20:35 > 0:20:41Brom over Scotland. Will that affect the linking of the owner?If they do
0:20:41 > 0:20:47have someone as a choice in mind, if you have someone in mind to replace
0:20:47 > 0:20:51your manager should you sack him at results continue to be poor, if that
0:20:51 > 0:20:57guy says to you, listen, I have another offer, then it does give you
0:20:57 > 0:21:00a decision to make, a choice to make if you think he is the man going
0:21:00 > 0:21:07forward. I am not sure that West Brom are thinking that we can lose
0:21:07 > 0:21:12the chance of getting Michael O'Neill.I go back to the point I
0:21:12 > 0:21:16made earlier and if you are West Brom, running that club, making sure
0:21:16 > 0:21:21they stay in the league, you keep the man you have got who will
0:21:21 > 0:21:25presumably, given his track record, we'll do that. But you have to think
0:21:25 > 0:21:30about your customers, your supporters.They know they are going
0:21:30 > 0:21:38to sell season tickets you in and year out.On the subject of managers
0:21:38 > 0:21:42under pressure, Paul Clement lost six out of the last seven games.
0:21:42 > 0:21:48They played Bournemouth at home on Saturday. Bull that proved decisive?
0:21:48 > 0:21:57The next 2-3 James Wilby decisive. What he has to do is find a way to
0:21:57 > 0:22:06stop conceding goals. And to get tighter. I'd hate to use a phrase
0:22:06 > 0:22:12but back to basics. They are not be minded to make a change but 2-3
0:22:12 > 0:22:20games down line...Going back to the Hawthorns, Chris, you don't club,
0:22:20 > 0:22:25Chelsea, some appreciation of how Morata and Eden Hazard are linking
0:22:25 > 0:22:34up.The linkup was incredible. The touch by Morata for the goal for
0:22:34 > 0:22:41Eden Hazard. He looks back to his best. Good Morata replace Diego
0:22:41 > 0:22:47Costa? Different player, intelligent with good movement. Chelsea have to
0:22:47 > 0:22:54keep those two that if they want to push.That is the voice of Chris
0:22:54 > 0:22:58Sutton, Guy Mowbray and Andy Dunn as well. We will hear from Paul Pogba
0:22:58 > 0:23:02and be live at the key road ahead of David Moyes with his first game in
0:23:02 > 0:23:07charge of West Ham. Let us talk about Manchester City. Garth crooks,
0:23:07 > 0:23:13Martin Keown and Phil Neville, they all think Manchester City will be
0:23:13 > 0:23:15unbeaten. Garth crooks says Manchester City are playing the
0:23:15 > 0:23:20greatest football in Premier League history. You that the King Power
0:23:20 > 0:23:26Stadium, do you agree with that?I agree wholeheartedly. This is the
0:23:26 > 0:23:30best football I have seen consistently, week after week. It is
0:23:30 > 0:23:33bang on every single match. One person who does not think that will
0:23:33 > 0:23:43happen is Pep Guardiola. We do not need to call it now. If it happens,
0:23:43 > 0:23:50it happens. Let us just enjoy the brand of football they are playing.
0:23:50 > 0:23:53The brand of football is scintillating to watch whoever you
0:23:53 > 0:24:00support. Long may it continue, long may the entertainers. I think they
0:24:00 > 0:24:02have played better this season but they broke up against Leicester City
0:24:02 > 0:24:11say to have had a revival. They were down to ten men early on possibly.
0:24:11 > 0:24:19They would still have won the game. We should not call it now. It is
0:24:19 > 0:24:26good fun. They will not go unbeaten in the season. I think they are
0:24:26 > 0:24:32fantastic and unbelievable to watch. In one game, defensively,
0:24:32 > 0:24:37particularly in the central area of defence, I think they be vulnerable.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40I think they looked vulnerable yesterday. They will vulnerable
0:24:40 > 0:24:45against Arsenal when it got back at 2-1.Liverpool for the first few
0:24:45 > 0:25:01minutes.I think they have lost John Stones now for six weeks.12 games.
0:25:01 > 0:25:07I don't think they will go unbeaten. It is some of the best football we
0:25:07 > 0:25:14have seen in the Premier League.We have seen teams play like that spot
0:25:14 > 0:25:26consistently? It is every game.What are you laughing at? He is on a
0:25:26 > 0:25:31downer.That is usually your job. John Stones and Vincent Kompany,
0:25:31 > 0:25:40that partnership was divided.Some interesting comments from Pep
0:25:40 > 0:25:44Guardiola after the game. In terms of international duty. He has played
0:25:44 > 0:25:51180 minutes in friendlies.That is following on from Jose Mourinho,
0:25:51 > 0:25:55Phil Jones getting injections and had to miss the Manchester United
0:25:55 > 0:26:02game. He thinks it is a factor behind the hamstring injury.If John
0:26:02 > 0:26:06Stones declares himself that, he plays for England, that is fine. The
0:26:06 > 0:26:13Phil Jones matter was scandalous. Six injections. Jose Mourinho should
0:26:13 > 0:26:22be furious.Talking about Manchester City going to Leicester City. They
0:26:22 > 0:26:30were battered glasses and 4-2.Let me tell you about that game. I was
0:26:30 > 0:26:34at that game. Manchester City if memory serves me had a 79% per
0:26:34 > 0:26:42session. Perhaps 80%. Manchester City scored two goals late on, if
0:26:42 > 0:26:48the game lasted another five minutes it would have been 4-4. That
0:26:48 > 0:26:54formation that day was essentially 1-10. He had John Stones. And they
0:26:54 > 0:27:04were just running forward. Kolarov and a Zabaleta as well.Was there
0:27:04 > 0:27:09some arrogance? It was like Pep Guardiola had not watched Leicester
0:27:09 > 0:27:14City player and had not Donal Vaughan beer hole.I think he has
0:27:14 > 0:27:24got his day now.-- he had not done his homework.Six of the team that
0:27:24 > 0:27:27started at Leicester City last season have left altogether. Only
0:27:27 > 0:27:35two started yesterday which was David Silva and Kevin de Bruyne. He
0:27:35 > 0:27:43was only three or four months in at Manchester City.I thought the
0:27:43 > 0:27:47Chelsea game when they beat Chelsea 1-0, I felt this was a sight that
0:27:47 > 0:27:54would go on this season. Last season the problem was defensively. You
0:27:54 > 0:27:59would be worried about the loss of John Stones. Last season they had
0:27:59 > 0:28:06Claudio Bravo in goal. Ederson yesterday did not have a lot to do.
0:28:06 > 0:28:10He exudes presence. Let us talk about their Bibles, Manchester
0:28:10 > 0:28:14United. Paul Pogba scored against Manchester United last night and he
0:28:14 > 0:28:18spoke to Steve Wilson after beginning.From the manager's point
0:28:18 > 0:28:24of view, he has got you back and you scored, Lukaku is scoring again, and
0:28:24 > 0:28:26Zlatan Ibrahimovic got some minutes on the pitch, everything he wanted
0:28:26 > 0:28:39happens.It feels good. When you come back and score. I like that. We
0:28:39 > 0:28:43were defective and have got good players, talented players, we need
0:28:43 > 0:28:49to trust each other. Lukaku is the best writer in the Premier League
0:28:49 > 0:28:58and rebuild his quality. We do not worry about him.Can you still win
0:28:58 > 0:29:03the league, if you think?This season is long. If I don't believe
0:29:03 > 0:29:07that, stop playing. If I don't believe we can still win the league,
0:29:07 > 0:29:13I leave my boots and stop playing football. I am a believer that we
0:29:13 > 0:29:17keep fighting. Remember that United won the league after they wed a few
0:29:17 > 0:29:24points behind. I was at Juventus. We were two points behind at the start
0:29:24 > 0:29:29of the season. And then we went ahead of everyone.Of course I
0:29:29 > 0:29:34believe. That was Paul Pogba. I was at Old Trafford. It was not the
0:29:34 > 0:29:37horses running freely like they did at the start of the season but it
0:29:37 > 0:29:42was back to where they wear. How important is Paul Pogba to
0:29:42 > 0:29:47Manchester United?FTR to push Manchester City, absolutely crucial.
0:29:47 > 0:29:55I do not think we saw the best of Paul Paul Barber last season. --
0:29:55 > 0:30:00Paul Pogba. He is just coming back from an injury but very talented.
0:30:00 > 0:30:05And Zlatan Ibrahimovic who came off the bench after being out with a
0:30:05 > 0:30:12knee injury. And acrobatic effort. What is it about Paul Pogba, why do
0:30:12 > 0:30:16you feel in that team, he can give Manchester City a run for the money?
0:30:16 > 0:30:23Talking about Ederson exuding confidence. He is infectious. One of
0:30:23 > 0:30:27the best all-round midfielder is in world football. That will make
0:30:27 > 0:30:32Manchester United playing differently. He has got Red Rum and
0:30:32 > 0:30:35Shergar Backworth. The horses running freely. A warhorse and a
0:30:35 > 0:30:43real thoroughbred.Paul Pogba is the best talent, box to box. He can turn
0:30:43 > 0:30:46a defensive situation into an attacking situation very quickly.
0:30:52 > 0:30:56There was a moment yesterday when he walked down the sideline limping and
0:30:56 > 0:31:01before he got to the tunnel United scored the goal and he was
0:31:01 > 0:31:04celebrating with everyone. It is the camaraderie. It is something
0:31:04 > 0:31:10everyone has been missing when he has not been on the team.If United
0:31:10 > 0:31:14and City keep winning, we have had so many games hyped to high heaven,
0:31:14 > 0:31:20can you imagine the build-up to December ten? It starts now.You
0:31:20 > 0:31:26have Liverpool- Everton before that as well. It will start now. It will
0:31:26 > 0:31:32not decide the title obviously but when we were speaking earlier about
0:31:32 > 0:31:41whether City... Will they be beep them -- beat them or not? At Old
0:31:41 > 0:31:43Trafford you can't say Manchester United have a small chance of
0:31:43 > 0:31:48beating City. They haven't. I would suggest that isn't even money game.
0:31:48 > 0:31:54Odds wise I think it is one or the other. In terms of... I wouldn't say
0:31:54 > 0:31:59one or the other is favourites.I don't see City going the season
0:31:59 > 0:32:06unbeaten.Would they go to Old Trafford is favourites now?
0:32:06 > 0:32:09Absolutely not, and the gemstones -- Johnstons factor, how important he
0:32:09 > 0:32:16is. I don't think Kompany is as important as John Stones.The best
0:32:16 > 0:32:22columnist on the couch has been to see Mourinho this week! LAUGHTER Not
0:32:22 > 0:32:30you, Chris.He's a columnist as well. Not the best.He's all right.
0:32:30 > 0:32:34When you interviewed him what did you make of him? I noticed
0:32:34 > 0:32:43yesterday, all four goals, he only celebrated one, Lukaku's. It was a
0:32:43 > 0:32:47motionless the whole time, uniting fans getting on his back and he is a
0:32:47 > 0:32:51motionless and winning against -- United fans.He wasn't celebrating
0:32:51 > 0:32:58with me either, it has to be said. It is very matter-of-fact. He has
0:32:58 > 0:33:04been like this before. It is as though he has a point to prove, yes,
0:33:04 > 0:33:09it is as though basically all the criticism of the style of play, he
0:33:09 > 0:33:14is adamant that will not change, so he is quite surly in his outlook. He
0:33:14 > 0:33:17thinks he is unfairly criticised, no doubt about that, committee always
0:33:17 > 0:33:24as from the moment he came in. In his Chelsea days, early then, when
0:33:24 > 0:33:31he was winning trophies with Chelsea in his first spell, you asked
0:33:31 > 0:33:33journalists generally, they wanted to know why Arsene Wenger who wasn't
0:33:33 > 0:33:39winning anything was getting all the praise and why Chelsea... Why he and
0:33:39 > 0:33:46Chelsea were not. Then it was because, again, Arsene Wenger and
0:33:46 > 0:33:49Arsenal play nice attractive football and Chelsea were playing
0:33:49 > 0:33:53winning football but not necessarily attractive.Do you think he deserves
0:33:53 > 0:33:59criticism for the way United at Liverpool... It was split, was it
0:33:59 > 0:34:04the right way to setup? Then they lost to Huddersfield next week. So
0:34:04 > 0:34:09it was the wrong decision.That is constructive criticism, I think you
0:34:09 > 0:34:14are entitled to criticise that. I do understand why he thinks he is
0:34:14 > 0:34:20unfairly criticised. Firstly his record is fantastic, as he tells us
0:34:20 > 0:34:26quite often! 24 trophies, is it? So I do think that has to be taken into
0:34:26 > 0:34:31account. Plus with United, he said in the interview I did with him
0:34:31 > 0:34:36earlier in the week, why is it, he says... I asked him about moving on
0:34:36 > 0:34:39the season, challenging for the title having won trophies last
0:34:39 > 0:34:45season, and he said yes, that's the aim, but why are we judged
0:34:45 > 0:34:48differently from other teams in the big six? So if Liverpool don't win
0:34:48 > 0:34:53the title will people say it has been a failure? If Arsenal don't win
0:34:53 > 0:35:05will it be a failure? No, if Mourinho and United don't win it
0:35:05 > 0:35:07will be viewed as a failure.Its Premier League history.The size of
0:35:07 > 0:35:10the club and the money spent but I take his point, these teams have the
0:35:10 > 0:35:13same qualities.Let's move on. One game in the Premier League today,
0:35:13 > 0:35:16Watford taking on West Ham. Match of the Day 2 coming from there this
0:35:16 > 0:35:20evening with Jason Mohammad and you can listen to it on 5Live, kick-off
0:35:20 > 0:35:25at 4pm and Steve Wilson will commentate tonight. There he is,
0:35:25 > 0:35:31nice and early. A lot of speculation about Marco Silva becoming the next
0:35:31 > 0:35:35Everton manager. Have you had your into the ground this morning? What
0:35:35 > 0:35:42is the chap? Do you see Silva ending up at Goodison Park?Well, Watford
0:35:42 > 0:35:46are keen to ensure that doesn't happen and have rebuffed all
0:35:46 > 0:35:50approaches from Everton and reported this morning that they fully intend
0:35:50 > 0:35:54to rebuff any future approaches from Everton, but that doesn't end the
0:35:54 > 0:35:59story but just throws the ball into Marco Silva's court. He is 40 years
0:35:59 > 0:36:07old, a young man who has been at a few clubs, 22 games Hull City, one
0:36:07 > 0:36:12set Olympiakos, not once sacked by Portuguese club Sporting for not
0:36:12 > 0:36:17wearing a club suit so he knows how easily you can be sacked, and also
0:36:17 > 0:36:20how easily managers can be sacked by this club. The owners of Watford
0:36:20 > 0:36:27took over in 2012. Nine managers have worked here since. So Watford
0:36:27 > 0:36:31season-ticket historically over the course of that time lasts longer
0:36:31 > 0:36:37than a Watford manager. Marco Silva is aware of that. So he could stay
0:36:37 > 0:36:41now and do quite well and get sacked in the summer because it happened to
0:36:41 > 0:36:46Quique Sanchez Flores here, of course. My feeling is that he will
0:36:46 > 0:36:52have to resign if he wants to go to Everton. I don't know if he will or
0:36:52 > 0:36:55won't, but it is a strong possibility he will, I think. If I
0:36:55 > 0:36:59was Everton I would be feeling this is one they could get over the line
0:36:59 > 0:37:03if they push the right buttons, and I have been checking for buttons on
0:37:03 > 0:37:06the Watford manager -- under the Watford manager's seat because I
0:37:06 > 0:37:11wondered if it had an ejector, so many managers have been jettisoned
0:37:11 > 0:37:22recently, it hasn't but I suspect Watford will be looking for a new
0:37:22 > 0:37:24incumbent pretty soon.LAUGHTER What do you expect from West Ham and
0:37:24 > 0:37:27David Moyes? Interesting to see how they react today.It will be back to
0:37:27 > 0:37:29basics approach from David Moyes I think the early weeks here. Their
0:37:29 > 0:37:35problem is very much has been perceived to be a lack of
0:37:35 > 0:37:39application, whether that is true, there have been questions over their
0:37:39 > 0:37:42fitness, conceding goals late in the game and certainly defensively they
0:37:42 > 0:37:48have major problems and their signings again have not, perhaps
0:37:48 > 0:37:51with the exception of Javier Hernandez, not stood up to the plate
0:37:51 > 0:37:55this season, having spent a lot of money in the summer. So a lot of
0:37:55 > 0:38:00work for David Moyes to do here. I think in some senses he is the ideal
0:38:00 > 0:38:04man because he will certainly get them fitter and more organised. He
0:38:04 > 0:38:09will be very highly moated him -- motivated himself because he knows
0:38:09 > 0:38:14if he fails at West Ham, where does he go next? His contract is only
0:38:14 > 0:38:18until the summer so if things don't work out, West Ham can get rid of
0:38:18 > 0:38:22him cheaply at the end of the season. I think West Ham have more
0:38:22 > 0:38:26than a good enough squad to say up and more than a good enough manager
0:38:26 > 0:38:30to keep them up. I feel sorry for Slaven Bilic, a guy with great
0:38:30 > 0:38:34passion, and last season at Upton Park under his control was really
0:38:34 > 0:38:39memorable, but I'm afraid from then on it has been a slow deterioration,
0:38:39 > 0:38:43and it has looked like the last knocking for Bilic for a long time
0:38:43 > 0:38:49before they did the deed and got rid of him. I hope he gets back into the
0:38:49 > 0:38:53game, and I hope for David Moyes that it is a success for him. It
0:38:53 > 0:38:57could be. I think November 29 is the date in the diary when West Ham go
0:38:57 > 0:39:02to Goodison Park. What is that, ten days away? Could be Silva and Moyes
0:39:02 > 0:39:07together again.We shall see. Steve Wilson live at Vicarage Road. He is
0:39:07 > 0:39:12on Match of the Day 2 to night, kicking off at 4pm and also live on
0:39:12 > 0:39:165Live. You mentioned -- he mentioned there, a lot of the papers are
0:39:16 > 0:39:22saying today including the Daily Mirror, he will have to walk if he
0:39:22 > 0:39:28is to become Everton manager.He will have to resign. Watford will
0:39:28 > 0:39:31not go with amicably separating. If Everton did come back in and were
0:39:31 > 0:39:36told what to buy Watford with a bigger offer, bigger than the £10
0:39:36 > 0:39:40million rejected, I still think what Woodward rejected.What you mean
0:39:40 > 0:39:48told not to?They have said, don't come back again. Watford, I think...
0:39:48 > 0:39:52There will be a case if Everton persist that basically this will go
0:39:52 > 0:39:56to the Premier League in the end and they will say, hang on a minute.
0:39:56 > 0:40:00That is the issue with resigning, he can walk out but Watford, and Steve
0:40:00 > 0:40:07mentioned the ownership, they are no pushovers. So if Silva resigns it
0:40:07 > 0:40:11still doesn't guarantee he can manage Everton. Legally he is under
0:40:11 > 0:40:18contract. Can you imagine, would Everton want to get that Messi with
0:40:18 > 0:40:22the Premier League involved? It doesn't look good.Why would Watford
0:40:22 > 0:40:26want to keep them? They would want a manager who doesn't want to manage.
0:40:26 > 0:40:30What they certainly don't want as a rival club who have made the
0:40:30 > 0:40:33mistakes themselves, they don't want them them having to pay for
0:40:33 > 0:40:37Everton's mistake.Can you see the appeal of going to Everton for
0:40:37 > 0:40:42Silva?For Silva you want to manage the bigger club and you want to go
0:40:42 > 0:40:46to Everton. He would have to look back at Watford, they are serial
0:40:46 > 0:40:49slackers, that must be on his mind. That simply if you get a chance to
0:40:49 > 0:40:57manage a club as big as Everton, you want to go there.I think Steve
0:40:57 > 0:41:01summed it up perfectly, looking at Silva's history, the Sporting Lisbon
0:41:01 > 0:41:06thing was barking, the argument upstairs about his tracksuit, that
0:41:06 > 0:41:12is ridiculous. He has that on his mind. He used Hull to some extent to
0:41:12 > 0:41:17get over here and a good job of it. I know there were relegated but he
0:41:17 > 0:41:21improved things hugely in difficult circumstances. His stock is high. I
0:41:21 > 0:41:25can see them going for this. Probably higher than it should be
0:41:25 > 0:41:33and that will also be on his mind. His record is good. With Hull
0:41:33 > 0:41:36Watford it is better than anyone outside the top six in percentage
0:41:36 > 0:41:39wins but he is on a three-game losing run and will look back at
0:41:39 > 0:41:45last season with 15 points from 11, that manager got sacked that the end
0:41:45 > 0:41:50of the season with the same last season. Sanchez Flores had better
0:41:50 > 0:41:55and ended up 13th and was sacked. Why should he show them loyalty,
0:41:55 > 0:41:59that's what you're saying.At the moment his stock is high and if it
0:41:59 > 0:42:02is that high and you have the opportunity and thing, hang on, I
0:42:02 > 0:42:09have lost three games on the spin... If they lose today, they have
0:42:09 > 0:42:14Newcastle then Manchester United and Spurs coming to town.Those numbers
0:42:14 > 0:42:19were interesting, I didn't realise those, but it is better for him than
0:42:19 > 0:42:23with the numbers, he is better than those numbers.Why are Everton in
0:42:23 > 0:42:27this situation? The international break, you'd think Unsworth would be
0:42:27 > 0:42:32appointed by now if they wanted him, we know Sean Dyche hasn't come to
0:42:32 > 0:42:41anything, why this?It has gone on too long.Why?The money they spent
0:42:41 > 0:42:46in the summer, they can't afford to...They Yedder manager.David
0:42:46 > 0:42:55Unsworth couldn't be trusted with the money they spent. They want
0:42:55 > 0:43:02Guaranty Premiership safety. Get the best man in.They move in circles
0:43:02 > 0:43:06that are telling them that is not the way forward. You spend serious
0:43:06 > 0:43:10money on players, you want a manager with great connections, who can
0:43:10 > 0:43:15attract players to the club, the type they would want to buy, that is
0:43:15 > 0:43:22why he is turning to someone like Marco Silva, who would have that
0:43:22 > 0:43:27allure. They are in the situation, Will, basically because they didn't
0:43:27 > 0:43:31have someone lined up when they sacked the last manager. It was
0:43:31 > 0:43:35rougher than anticipated after the defeat to Arsenal, in the aftermath
0:43:35 > 0:43:39of that it became obvious they didn't have anyone lined up.There
0:43:39 > 0:43:44you go, thank you, Chris, well behaved today! I am worried! The
0:43:44 > 0:43:49Grinch. Chris, Andy, Guy, thank you, that is all from Match of the Day 2
0:43:49 > 0:43:55Extra for now. Watford- West Ham is on at 5Live from 4pm and you can
0:43:55 > 0:44:02catch highlights on Vicarage Road from 10pm. Have a good Sunday.