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:00:00. > :00:36.Hello, welcome to Match of the Day 2s, this Sunday lunchtime. We are

:00:37. > :00:39.coming live from Villa Park ahead of Aston Villa against Spurs. The only

:00:40. > :00:46.Sunday fixture today, you can watch us as ever on BBC One or on the BBC

:00:47. > :00:49.sport website or listen to us on BBC Radio 5 Live. My three guests this

:00:50. > :00:54.afternoon, include former Aston Villa striker among many other clubs

:00:55. > :00:59.Dion Dublin, we have BBC football company Tay Guy Mowbray and Andy

:01:00. > :01:07.Dunn from the Sunday Mirror. We are going to look back at yesterday's

:01:08. > :01:16.games, we want your thoughts as well. Big game for your former club

:01:17. > :01:20.this afternoon? Yes, it is important they try and start to get

:01:21. > :01:27.consistency, two second halves I think they have their work cut out.

:01:28. > :01:31.They have to be on the gape, we know Defoe likes playing at Villa Park so

:01:32. > :01:35.two centre halves will be key. I said a big game for his former club,

:01:36. > :01:40.but it is a big game for Spurs, given what happened in their last

:01:41. > :01:46.league game. That defeat against West Ham is the most shocking result

:01:47. > :01:50.of the season so far. Villa have lost 4-0 the last twice Spurs have

:01:51. > :01:55.been here and last time had their pants pulled down. It will be a bit

:01:56. > :01:59.different today. Much closer game than that. But they will be glad to

:02:00. > :02:06.see Jermaine Defoe is on the bench. That is one of the things that AVB

:02:07. > :02:12.has to be grabble with. He has won every time he has put out a team, he

:02:13. > :02:17.has a wealth of resource, Defoe came in the capital cup, ran Villa ragged

:02:18. > :02:21.and then found himself on the bench. It's a question of AVB getting it

:02:22. > :02:26.right. Now the pressure is on him. We will get the thoughts from

:02:27. > :02:30.everybody on the conundrum there after we hear from the Spurs

:02:31. > :02:37.manager. We had the chance to be first on

:02:38. > :02:47.that weekend, so you know, that, that definitely was a call to

:02:48. > :02:51.attention for us, comes along with, with unpredictable this league is,

:02:52. > :02:56.we end up being sixth, the distance two the first is three points, so

:02:57. > :03:01.everything is completely open this season, but it shows that you know,

:03:02. > :03:08.this surprise results can happen, it happen, it has happened to other

:03:09. > :03:12.teams, it happened to us, and we felt very disappointed. I think what

:03:13. > :03:17.Villa and doing and the results they have been getting, they sit solidly

:03:18. > :03:22.at tenth place. They don't have that pressure. They started poorly. They

:03:23. > :03:26.look more comfortable, they look more a team, I think Paul Lambert is

:03:27. > :03:31.a credit for the amount of youngsters he is bringing through,

:03:32. > :03:37.also, and and I see them, you know, stepping, you know, stepping up and

:03:38. > :03:43.being there challenging for European places in the end. Do you agree with

:03:44. > :03:46.Guy it was the most shocking result of the season? Andre Villas-Boas did

:03:47. > :03:50.say it has happened to other sides already this season. Yes, but not

:03:51. > :03:55.that emphatically. The nature of the score line was emphatic. They didn't

:03:56. > :03:59.really get in behind West Ham. You would expect the side of Spurs

:04:00. > :04:03.quality, when you you are talking about players, and we have been

:04:04. > :04:07.saying how good Christian Eriksen has started. They didn't create that

:04:08. > :04:11.many chances in that game, that is a worry for him.y, think it was the

:04:12. > :04:15.most shocking result of the season. It will be in their minds. If you

:04:16. > :04:19.would have looked at the game and said if they can nick a point, the

:04:20. > :04:23.word is emphatic. Spurs were blown out of the water, and, West Ham

:04:24. > :04:28.deserved the plaudits they got after that. Spurs have to never less that

:04:29. > :04:32.-- let that happen again. Don't get embarrassed. Not to a local rival.

:04:33. > :04:36.Andre Villas-Boas will want that embedded in the players' heads,

:04:37. > :04:44.remember that and use it and go forward. If you are a Spurs fan we

:04:45. > :04:47.would love to know what you think. Andre Villas-Boas isn't the first

:04:48. > :04:50.Spurs manager with this tackty tal conundrum, of, although he has

:04:51. > :04:57.probably got a greater squad of players to pick from, but they do

:04:58. > :05:02.seem, they do seem to lack width at the moment. We say lack width. They

:05:03. > :05:08.have Andros Townsend flying, of course, Gareth Bale has gone, that

:05:09. > :05:11.is the big miss. I think, it might be controversial they are a gaerment

:05:12. > :05:16.now he has gone and no so reliant on one player, they have so many star

:05:17. > :05:20.player, maybe that is the problem for him. We were talking a few

:05:21. > :05:28.moments, about Townsend, he probably wouldn't have been getting a game

:05:29. > :05:32.for Spurs, let alone England had Gareth Bale been there. He has

:05:33. > :05:37.option, it is the best ones, it is not a bad problem for him to have.

:05:38. > :05:42.With Townsend, you don't know what he is going to do. Do you, do you

:05:43. > :05:47.want him to go down the line and get the box. He tends to cut inside a

:05:48. > :05:51.hell of a lot. As we spoke about it, Lennon is the one that goes left,

:05:52. > :06:00.and crosses it, you don't know what to do with Townsend. As a forward do

:06:01. > :06:06.you think do I go in or not? That is why I think Tottenham fans were so

:06:07. > :06:09.surprised, we have seen many times he tends to cut inside, you are

:06:10. > :06:13.right. I think they look round and they don't quite know what to

:06:14. > :06:17.expect. His colleagues from what he is going to dough. The debate

:06:18. > :06:25.between sol Dr Doe and Jermaine Defoe will continue in the same way,

:06:26. > :06:32.you go back 12 month it was Adebayor. He is not even in the

:06:33. > :06:35.picture. It is what the teams at the top, Arsenal have it as well. I

:06:36. > :06:39.think Spurs is have it, they have more than one option for every

:06:40. > :06:42.position, we have said about Lennon and Townsend, you have Defoe and

:06:43. > :06:46.Soldado. They are different players in the same position, so depending

:06:47. > :06:55.on who you are up against, what a great problem to have. Kevin

:06:56. > :07:00.Armstrong, Liam Shakespeare who have sent in tweets and text, where will

:07:01. > :07:05.Aston Villa finish? They will be top ten. If they do, if they do better

:07:06. > :07:09.than top ten, they will have exceeded expectation, last season

:07:10. > :07:13.hay were woeful, they were shocking, fighting relegation last year, now

:07:14. > :07:18.this year they will have to be strong and stable and get in the top

:07:19. > :07:22.ten and build from there. What is the different -- difference this

:07:23. > :07:27.season? Confidence. That is a big thing. The players, when I watch

:07:28. > :07:30.them play they want to get the ball. They seem happier. I have said this

:07:31. > :07:34.many tile, if your players are smiling and happy, you are going to

:07:35. > :07:38.get a well drilled football team. They have the manager, they know

:07:39. > :07:45.what he want, and what he expects, and they are delivering that. It

:07:46. > :07:50.shows how good the manager is. It takes managers and player to adjust.

:07:51. > :07:54.It has taken Delph, a couple of years to get to the stage where he

:07:55. > :07:57.is an influential force in the team. That is what happened who younger

:07:58. > :08:02.player, the Premier League, it applies to coaches as well. It takes

:08:03. > :08:09.them a year, maybe two to become accustomed to it and no what is

:08:10. > :08:13.required. They grew into the season, they were better in the second half.

:08:14. > :08:18.They had a new Mag manager as well. It took him time to get used to his

:08:19. > :08:24.batch of new player, the maturity factor, we have discussed this with

:08:25. > :08:27.Aaron Ramsey, that win over Morgan Amalfitano -- Manchester City the

:08:28. > :08:31.average age was 24 of that team and there wasn't one player, even

:08:32. > :08:40.approach ing 30. Just quickly, because whenever you talk Villa,

:08:41. > :08:44.everybody texts in questions about Christian Benteke but do other

:08:45. > :08:52.players go under the radar? We know how good he is, as a player who is

:08:53. > :08:57.possibly in the shadow of bent tech, Weimann is a player who will say I

:08:58. > :09:01.will take you take the limelight. I will continue do my job. It works

:09:02. > :09:06.well for him. It is always the big strikers that get the attention? I

:09:07. > :09:12.strikers that get the attention I don't know what you mean. I was

:09:13. > :09:18.centre half. Your legs had gone Someone told me someone scored two

:09:19. > :09:24.on his debut with Spurs? No idea. We will come on to one of your goals

:09:25. > :09:30.later on. It is on Match of the Day 2 tonight, you can listen to it live

:09:31. > :09:33.of course, on BBC Radio 5 Live from 4.00 this afternoon. Let us talk

:09:34. > :09:38.about yesterday's games, with will start with the game at Old Trafford.

:09:39. > :09:45.Manchester United 1 Southampton 1. Reaction from there comes courtesy

:09:46. > :09:49.of David Moyes. We had pockets of play that were good. There were

:09:50. > :09:52.other periods where we weren't so good. It was a chance that

:09:53. > :09:57.Southampton could create something. The moments we had, you were hoping

:09:58. > :10:02.one would go in. If we had a second goal we would have put the game to

:10:03. > :10:07.bed. 1-0 is a dangerous result. A great point for us, he rode our luck

:10:08. > :10:13.at times. We could have nicked it at the end and taken all three. Great

:10:14. > :10:17.credit to the lads. A great result getting a point at Old Trafford

:10:18. > :10:22.Dionne was passing Andy Dunn a fiver for bringing up the two goals

:10:23. > :10:25.against Spurs. Let us start with you, you were at Old Trafford. You

:10:26. > :10:30.said to me before we game came on air, there was a sense in the last

:10:31. > :10:36.20 minutes round the ground, that they might not be able to hang on.

:10:37. > :10:40.It wasn't so much that, the sense of unease was the feeling that Moyes

:10:41. > :10:44.was protecting a 1-0 lead and that is a phenomenon that they are not

:10:45. > :10:48.used to. United at home don't protect a 1-0 lead, they build on

:10:49. > :10:53.it. There was this feeling that, the manager here, the way he has set up,

:10:54. > :10:57.and the substitutions late on, when he brought Smalling on, and it

:10:58. > :11:01.looked like they were trying to hold on to 1-0. I can understand that to

:11:02. > :11:05.a certain extent, because he wants victories at the moment. He needs to

:11:06. > :11:12.get wins and points on the board. But all the same, it was an anathema

:11:13. > :11:17.round the ground. They are thinking we are hanging on to a 1-0 lead,

:11:18. > :11:21.against a team we would normally expect to beat. It was the

:11:22. > :11:26.commentary on Five Live, I have to say, that was the thing that stood

:11:27. > :11:30.out, when Ian Dennis said Rooney is coming off and Smalling is coming

:11:31. > :11:33.on. Southampton when their last season Sir Alex Ferguson said it was

:11:34. > :11:36.the best visiting performance from a side at Old Trafford that season;

:11:37. > :11:41.but it was that defensive substitution that I think raised the

:11:42. > :11:46.eyebrows. Southampton are a good team, but this is Manchester United

:11:47. > :11:51.at home, when they should be beating anybody, that comes to Old Trafford.

:11:52. > :11:54.I just think David Moyes is going to ride with this and roll with it for

:11:55. > :11:58.some time. It is playing into the hands of those of us who said before

:11:59. > :12:01.the start of the season is difficulty he is going to be

:12:02. > :12:04.managing Manchester United differently to how he managed

:12:05. > :12:09.Everton. You can't manage the two clubs the same, there is a different

:12:10. > :12:12.level of expectation, no disrespect to Everton. That substitution played

:12:13. > :12:16.into the hand of those who say that is what he is doing. There is a

:12:17. > :12:19.different feel though, smaller clubs, they are going to Old

:12:20. > :12:24.Trafford thinking hold on, we have seen this happen before, let us have

:12:25. > :12:28.a go at them. Let us be on the front foot. Let them see what we have got.

:12:29. > :12:30.Now they are going to Manchester United, and having a go. The players

:12:31. > :12:33.of Manchester United have never experienced that before, so they are

:12:34. > :12:42.on the back foot and they don't know how to deal with being on the back

:12:43. > :12:47.foot. Alex, I was going to ask you a deep question. Alex says do you

:12:48. > :12:51.think Moyes will change United or will United change him? That is

:12:52. > :12:56.complicated for a Sunday lunchtime. I think Moyes will change the way,

:12:57. > :12:58.you know, the way United play. He will change it into to a side the

:12:59. > :13:00.way he wants it to play. It won t will change it into to a side the

:13:01. > :13:03.way he wants it to play. It won't be Sir Alex Ferguson side. That will

:13:04. > :13:08.take a lot of time. The fact of the matter, going back, it connects with

:13:09. > :13:12.that point, going back to what Dionne say, the problem Moyes has,

:13:13. > :13:16.team, I struggle to believe this but teams are lifted by the fact Sir

:13:17. > :13:22.Alex Ferguson is not sat there on the bench. I find that fascinating.

:13:23. > :13:27.It is 11 versus 11, but Gareth Bale, we were at a dinner and his said

:13:28. > :13:31.teams will go, they will go there, Tottenham at the time, teams will go

:13:32. > :13:36.there and they will be be physically lifted by the fact Fergie is not on

:13:37. > :13:40.the bench. I said you are a professional footballer, what

:13:41. > :13:44.difference does it make? As a player who has played at Old Trafford, you

:13:45. > :13:47.sometimes lose the game before you get off the coach, because you are

:13:48. > :13:51.such in awe of the stadium and the players you will play against. The

:13:52. > :13:55.cars in the car park, I think managers, I think you are bang on,

:13:56. > :14:01.managers can be the same, Fergie is not there any more so you think I

:14:02. > :14:04.have a chance. We are playing a David Moyes team rather than

:14:05. > :14:08.Manchester United. We said this before. To that is a season in

:14:09. > :14:13.transition it is the biggest transition any club in our era has

:14:14. > :14:16.known, after 26 years and the Chief Executive going, the whole club is

:14:17. > :14:21.different. Other clubs will be going there and thinking we will never

:14:22. > :14:26.have a better chance. Why have Southampton down well so far? We saw

:14:27. > :14:31.it last season. We saw it in that game at Old Trafford. Southampton

:14:32. > :14:35.were unlucky not to come way with something from it. He has gradually

:14:36. > :14:40.got them playing better and better. He has his own passing style, some

:14:41. > :14:46.of his own player, the players were there. The likes of Lallana.

:14:47. > :14:51.Snideling. You wonder why he was in League One. He is a Premier League

:14:52. > :14:54.player born. Tony Pulis said he is the most computer midfielder in the

:14:55. > :15:04.Premier League. That doesn't necessarily mean the best, but the

:15:05. > :15:07.most computer midfielder. yesterday, he was outstanding and he's what we

:15:08. > :15:13.would call an old-fashioned box to box midfielder. There are not many

:15:14. > :15:17.like him in the Premier League. What Pochettino has done is the fitness

:15:18. > :15:21.levels, the work ethic of Southampton team. It reminds me of

:15:22. > :15:24.the way football is going, 21st century football with this high

:15:25. > :15:28.pressing game. They were pressing United, there was no time on the

:15:29. > :15:33.ball for Michael Carrick or Fellaini or the centre halves, even the

:15:34. > :15:40.fallbacks. It is the pressing game but we have seen from Barcelona in

:15:41. > :15:44.the past and Pochettino is doing it. There was a contrast in the pace and

:15:45. > :15:48.the power and the speed of the Southampton midfield compared to the

:15:49. > :15:52.Manchester United midfield duo of Michael Carrick and Fellaini. I

:15:53. > :15:56.think it is energy, they want to play the way the manager is asking

:15:57. > :16:00.them to play. On Morgan Schneiderlin, why he is having such

:16:01. > :16:06.a good season is he's making good decisions, he is choosing the right

:16:07. > :16:11.options, when he can go box to box, the Paris where he can put someone

:16:12. > :16:17.in, keeping it simple. -- the past. He makes the decisions. He makes the

:16:18. > :16:27.right decisions. Gelano goes and Schneiderlin comes past. I thought

:16:28. > :16:32.it was the Hollywood past. It is the Diadora pass, are used to be

:16:33. > :16:38.sponsored by Diadora. Let's go to Stamford Bridge, Chelsea beating

:16:39. > :16:40.Cardiff and as you know, Chelsea scored a hugely controversial

:16:41. > :16:43.equaliser after Samuel Eto'o took the ball of the Cardiff goalkeeper

:16:44. > :16:51.Marshall. Here are the thoughts of Malky Mackay. I have been in to see

:16:52. > :16:54.the linesman and the referee for clarification. Our goalkeeper

:16:55. > :16:58.bounced the ball. He saw the player standing there and he bounced the

:16:59. > :17:03.ball. The referee is saying that at the time, he heard from his linesman

:17:04. > :17:07.but the goalkeeper dropped the ball, so I asked for clarification of the

:17:08. > :17:11.rule. They said that if the goalkeeper had bounced the ball, it

:17:12. > :17:15.was a foul. I have looked at it again and he obviously bounces the

:17:16. > :17:20.ball, because he knows that ghetto is standing there. So obviously

:17:21. > :17:23.there has been a huge mistake that Rankin is that Samuel Eto'o is

:17:24. > :17:27.standing there. Andy Dunn, you have shown a remarkable knowledge of the

:17:28. > :17:30.goalkeeping rules even prior to yesterday. It was a mistake by the

:17:31. > :17:34.officials. It was an aberration, one officials. It was an aberration one

:17:35. > :17:41.of those mistakes that you cannot account for. It isn't that he

:17:42. > :17:45.doesn't know the rules, he wouldn't get through the basic grades without

:17:46. > :17:47.knowing that rule, so it is just overlooked for one reason or

:17:48. > :17:48.another. knowing that rule, so it is just

:17:49. > :17:52.overlooked for one reason or The referee is probably not looking. He

:17:53. > :17:56.has then thought, hang on, has a word with the assistant referee who

:17:57. > :18:00.hasn't been observant enough either and for some reason, he has given

:18:01. > :18:05.the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Alan Shearer looked at

:18:06. > :18:09.this on Match of the Day last night and highlighted that Anthony Taylor

:18:10. > :18:12.looked in a different direction is Marshall was bouncing the ball. That

:18:13. > :18:17.is his prerogative, but his assistant referee was my job is to

:18:18. > :18:23.stay level with the goalkeeper and watch the goalkeeper until the ball

:18:24. > :18:28.is released -- the assistant referee's job. It is an honest,

:18:29. > :18:33.horrible mistake. Nothing has been done on purpose and the benefit of

:18:34. > :18:36.the doubt, if any, has devoted the attacking team. I got in touch with

:18:37. > :18:40.a goalkeeper friend of mine just to ask why feel the need to bounce the

:18:41. > :18:46.ball? They all do it, but why do they do it? Is it habit, is it

:18:47. > :18:54.nerves? He said it is habit, you get it and you bounce it. Even with

:18:55. > :18:57.someone next year. He did say you wouldn't do it if Samuel Eto'o is

:18:58. > :19:02.stirred by your side. David Marshall has said it is his mistake. Due

:19:03. > :19:09.member with Gary Crosby and Andy Dibble years ago, the rule was

:19:10. > :19:15.changed very subtly -- do you remember. Danny and Scott, I'm going

:19:16. > :19:20.to read your messages. Did Dion not feel a little bit guilty when he

:19:21. > :19:25.took the ball off Shay given when he played the commentary? Does he feel

:19:26. > :19:31.it is not sporting what Samuel Eto'o did, because he did the same thing?

:19:32. > :19:35.It is genius, I don't feel sorry one bit! The ball is in the back of the

:19:36. > :19:36.net. If the ball is out of your contact you cannot be in control of

:19:37. > :19:39.the ball, that is my opinion. contact you cannot be in control of

:19:40. > :19:45.the ball, that is my Shay given rolled the ball out with a bitter

:19:46. > :19:50.backspin as goalkeepers do. He got it when he wanted to stop, where was

:19:51. > :19:54.perfect for me, and I ran around him and put it in the back of the net.

:19:55. > :19:59.You cannot be in control of the ball if you of not physically holding

:20:00. > :20:03.it. If the rule is that, the goal shouldn't have stood, but I think it

:20:04. > :20:08.was genius of Samuel Eto'o. The joke at the time was Shay given is the

:20:09. > :20:17.only Irishman who doesn't know where Dublin is! From playing point of

:20:18. > :20:26.view, when you are leading a big club like that, and they had a

:20:27. > :20:28.decent start, did Cardiff, does it change your mentality when you

:20:29. > :20:35.concede a goal which you feel ought not to have been given? It

:20:36. > :20:36.shouldn't. There is obviously an element of disappointment, you think

:20:37. > :20:40.that you were on the front foot and element of disappointment, you think

:20:41. > :20:43.that you were on the doing OK, and the goalkeeper, David Marshall, who

:20:44. > :20:48.I played with at Celtic, he will hold his hand up and say it was his

:20:49. > :20:51.mistake, let's regroup. It does set you back a little bit and your plans

:20:52. > :20:56.have gone out the window slightly, because you do not plan for that, so

:20:57. > :21:00.you do get setback, it is hard to come back. One other bit of

:21:01. > :21:04.controversy was Jose Mourinho getting sent to the stand after

:21:05. > :21:09.losing his cool, to put it politely. Here is the assistant first-team

:21:10. > :21:13.coach Steve Holland. I am not certain exactly what occurred, but

:21:14. > :21:16.they kicked the ball out for us to take a throw in and they kicked the

:21:17. > :21:21.ball right into the corner flag which the young ball boy went to

:21:22. > :21:25.get. He threw the ball back to Ivanovic, and it missed, so the ball

:21:26. > :21:29.was in the dugout area somewhere, none of which is the fault of

:21:30. > :21:34.Ivanovic. I think Ivanovic had the ball in his hands for two seconds

:21:35. > :21:36.and already, the referee was gesticulating to his watch and

:21:37. > :21:42.putting pressure on him to get the ball into play, which is why we were

:21:43. > :21:46.all, and Jose Mourinho is the manager out on the touchline, so

:21:47. > :21:49.furious. Why was it suddenly so important that the ball came back

:21:50. > :21:54.into play within the player having one or two seconds possession of the

:21:55. > :21:58.ball, when for an hour we had been frustrated by the clear time wasting

:21:59. > :22:03.tactics of the opposition? So that is the top and bottom of it. I was

:22:04. > :22:07.there yesterday and they were getting very get up early on about

:22:08. > :22:14.what they concede to be Cardiff's what they concede to be Cardiff s

:22:15. > :22:19.time wasting tactics, but it was a very minor for him to get so angry

:22:20. > :22:23.about that. Doesn't it sound petty? We wanted the ball and they wouldn't

:22:24. > :22:26.give it to us! I think it is one of the great sights of modern football

:22:27. > :22:30.when a manager is sent from the bench. The fans love it coming you

:22:31. > :22:36.have a panto villain. It is like the orange ball in the snow! At Old

:22:37. > :22:40.Trafford was the classic. I heard an extended version of that interview

:22:41. > :22:43.with Steve Holland, and he went on about how during the game they had

:22:44. > :22:48.been enquiring politely to the officials. I thought, of course you

:22:49. > :22:52.have! On a serious point, it is an issue now, especially with the

:22:53. > :22:57.fourth official becoming the focal point of so much dissent, that is

:22:58. > :23:00.what you call it. I was at Spurs against Chelsea and the press can

:23:01. > :23:04.sit behind that area, and there was so much dissent towards the fourth

:23:05. > :23:09.official and the assistant referee that I think the FA will clamp down.

:23:10. > :23:14.My argument is that as a player on the page, and if I am a Cardiff

:23:15. > :23:22.player, and Willie and goes down, told to go down, so they could

:23:23. > :23:26.strengthen their team... -- Willian goes down. Why would you give the

:23:27. > :23:30.ball back to let them attack you? If I was the captain of Cardiff, I

:23:31. > :23:34.would have kept the ball, no problem at all. It was a strange incident

:23:35. > :23:39.that led to the ball going out of play, Willian going down, a

:23:40. > :23:40.substitution happening and Willian getting straight back up without

:23:41. > :23:45.treatment. If somebody is heard, get treatment. If somebody is heard get

:23:46. > :23:49.the ball out as quickly as possible. If it is just to make a substitution

:23:50. > :23:51.to benefit the team you are playing against, there is nowhere in the

:23:52. > :23:56.world I would have given the ball back. This message asks whether

:23:57. > :24:01.David Luiz should be playing at centre back? He should be playing as

:24:02. > :24:05.far away from the defence as possible. In behind the front two.

:24:06. > :24:12.He has so much talent and skill and can create things out of nothing. At

:24:13. > :24:16.centre half, he is wasted. When you say as far away as possible, do you

:24:17. > :24:21.mean Spain? Interestingly, it brings up a situation where it looks like

:24:22. > :24:26.Mourinho's favoured partner, because John Terry will always be there, is

:24:27. > :24:31.David Luiz, and what he's going to do... That has implications that

:24:32. > :24:39.Gary Caygill, obviously, but when I saw at Spurs, David Luiz did not go

:24:40. > :24:45.beyond the halfway line -- Gary K Hill. Mourinho thinks he can change

:24:46. > :24:50.him into an accomplished centre back. He has to curb those instincts

:24:51. > :24:53.of going forward. A year ago, I would have agreed with Dion

:24:54. > :24:57.wholeheartedly but having seen him play at the Confederations Cup last

:24:58. > :25:00.summer, they wouldn't have him anywhere else, they adore him at

:25:01. > :25:06.centre back and he will start there in the World Cup. Pat Nevin did

:25:07. > :25:11.appease in the Confederations Cup and David Luiz and Thiago Silva --

:25:12. > :25:15.did a piece. It talked about that when you are brought up in Brazil as

:25:16. > :25:20.a centre back, you always think you can go one-on-one with your man but

:25:21. > :25:25.you don't worry about covering the opposition, you deal with your man.

:25:26. > :25:31.And if you make a mistake, it will be costly but it is forgiven because

:25:32. > :25:35.you are doing at the right way. Lucio, for example, he made the

:25:36. > :25:41.mistake in 2002 and Michael Owen pounced and scored, but he was doing

:25:42. > :25:44.it the right way. It is very easy to criticise from our cultural point of

:25:45. > :25:49.view, but if you have been brought up a certain way, that is how you

:25:50. > :25:52.play. If you play like Brazil play, they don't really have positions.

:25:53. > :25:56.They have areas where they are supposed to be and if one goes

:25:57. > :26:03.forward, one comes back. It doesn't matter where they go, they just make

:26:04. > :26:06.sure they are set up correctly on the page. In England, we are very

:26:07. > :26:11.different. If you are a centre half, you go up and then you come back.

:26:12. > :26:15.David Luiz will stay up front for Brazil for several phases. Finishing

:26:16. > :26:19.on Chelsea and Cardiff, controversial decisions was the last

:26:20. > :26:23.thing Malky Mackay needed after the week he has had. What a couple of

:26:24. > :26:28.weeks he has had. This has been rumbling on for some time. The club

:26:29. > :26:31.has done wonders, Malky has done wonders, let's give him his due and

:26:32. > :26:34.the owner has done his bit and got them into the Premier League but let

:26:35. > :26:40.some sanity break out in Cardiff, please. If you are going to stay

:26:41. > :26:44.with us on BBC One, we are going to talk Arsenal, and England as well,

:26:45. > :26:49.but if you are listening on BBC Radio 5 live, you are going to leave

:26:50. > :26:57.us. Remember, Aston Villa against Spurs is on Radio 5 later, but if

:26:58. > :27:01.you are on Radio 5, it is time the European cup rugby. On BBC One and

:27:02. > :27:05.the BBC sport website, we are going to move on to Arsenal, 4-1 winners

:27:06. > :27:11.over Norwich. Here are the thoughts of Wenger. A few weeks ago, we lost

:27:12. > :27:15.the first game of the season here, it was a very different time but we

:27:16. > :27:20.have responded quickly and since then, we have been consistent. I

:27:21. > :27:25.like the solidarity we have in the team and of course, we know we have

:27:26. > :27:29.quality and it is now just how much can we maintain that and sustain

:27:30. > :27:34.that effort to play together at that level, and that will decide our

:27:35. > :27:37.future. Lee has said was Jack Wilshire's goal yesterday one of the

:27:38. > :27:44.best goals in the Premier League over the past few seasons? Yes,

:27:45. > :27:47.quite simply. All four of the Arsenal goals yesterday could be in

:27:48. > :27:53.the goal of the month competition in an average month. It was great. What

:27:54. > :27:58.we have done for many years is we have not using this positively,

:27:59. > :28:01.accusing Arsenal of walking through, trying to walk through and

:28:02. > :28:07.they did it yesterday for four times. It was amazing to watch. If

:28:08. > :28:11.you haven't seen it, try and see it as soon as possible. The one touch

:28:12. > :28:15.football, the little flicks, it all just came off perfectly. The best

:28:16. > :28:21.thing about it was how calm the finish was, he just side footed it

:28:22. > :28:25.past the goalkeeper. From a corporate point of view, you can

:28:26. > :28:30.watch it on Match of the Day two tonight! Or Match of the Day when it

:28:31. > :28:35.comes on the eye player. -- BBC iPlayer. This one asks whether Mesut

:28:36. > :28:40.Ozil is the key to Arsenal is success? But when you look at the

:28:41. > :28:47.first goal, the role of Olivier Giroud should not be overlooked.

:28:48. > :28:51.That is right, and we need to look at the positives. People will ask

:28:52. > :28:56.what will happen if something happens to Giroud and that will be

:28:57. > :29:00.an issue. But it comes back to what I was saying earlier, it takes

:29:01. > :29:03.players time to adjust to the Premier League and it has taken

:29:04. > :29:06.Giroud a little time to adjust and he has proven himself to be what

:29:07. > :29:13.Arsene Wenger has said, an accomplished player. Back to Ozil,

:29:14. > :29:14.yes... I was driving here trying to rack my brains about has there been

:29:15. > :29:17.one rack my brains about has there been

:29:18. > :29:21.signing that has made such an impact immediately, and I can't actually

:29:22. > :29:25.think of one. I don't mean the way he's playing himself but the way he

:29:26. > :29:28.has lifted everyone around him through his ability. Their

:29:29. > :29:31.confidence has grown, they know they will get the ball back on a very

:29:32. > :29:37.basic level and he seems to have given everyone and their entire

:29:38. > :29:44.lives, one signing. I think two because Ozil cannot do what he does

:29:45. > :29:47.without Flamini doing what he does. I remember him as a very good player

:29:48. > :29:51.in the Premier League who developed into that role and he has come back

:29:52. > :29:56.from Milan and absolutely fantastic player. He is the rock upon which

:29:57. > :29:59.Ozil and those can do their stuff. I think Arsenal are one centre back

:30:00. > :30:06.and one strike away from being title contenders.

:30:07. > :30:11.The players, the British players, they have all had to raise their

:30:12. > :30:15.game, to reach the standard of Ozil and Flamini and Ramsey has been

:30:16. > :30:20.outstanding, I think that the whole of the clubs, from a couple of

:30:21. > :30:25.signings, they have had a couple of world class signings, if we want to

:30:26. > :30:30.be in the team we have to pick our game up and they have. The Flamini

:30:31. > :30:35.point, Norwich's best spell from looking at that the highlights,

:30:36. > :30:40.occurred when Flamini went off consesed. He got a head injury. It

:30:41. > :30:45.must be the closest thing Arsenal have had. Song did a good onfor

:30:46. > :30:51.them. Frimpong we thought he was going to come on faster, the closest

:30:52. > :30:55.thing they have had to a Vieira they probably need cover there, I

:30:56. > :30:58.just think Arsenal have, like Spurses we were talking about

:30:59. > :31:03.earlier, they have cover in most positions and I think they are up

:31:04. > :31:07.there. Do you worry about Norwich? A little. I really do. I can't see

:31:08. > :31:10.them getting anything from the bigger clubs if that they are going

:31:11. > :31:15.to defend like that. I know Arsenal are world class, but you can't

:31:16. > :31:18.defend like that, there was no talking in defence, no pass on

:31:19. > :31:21.information, the keeper didn't open his mouth enough in my opinion,

:31:22. > :31:26.sometimes you have to tip your hat but sometimes you can avoid some of

:31:27. > :31:31.the goals. I wonder whether if it had stayed at 2-1 I would be asking

:31:32. > :31:37.if you were worried. Because it was 4-1 that is relevant. When you

:31:38. > :31:41.listen to Chris Hughton, he says at 2-1 you settle for 2-1, or you go

:31:42. > :31:46.for it to try and get back in the game. He is not the kind of manager

:31:47. > :31:51.to sit there and think we will nick a draw. He wants to win. His players

:31:52. > :31:55.are becoming like him, very calm and very cool, and wanting to play on

:31:56. > :32:00.the ball. There wasn't enough urgency, they gave it a go but the

:32:01. > :32:02.quality of Arsenal, which is probably the answer to your

:32:03. > :32:07.question, is far too much. There is a lot of far too much squads in the

:32:08. > :32:12.Premier League that are much better than Norwich's squad. Going to the

:32:13. > :32:18.game you were at Newcastle against Liverpool. It's the kind of game,

:32:19. > :32:23.the result that could kick-start Newcastle's season: They needed that

:32:24. > :32:24.point. They had to hang on for it. There was some fight, they broke

:32:25. > :32:26.well. They defended pretty well. There was some fight, they broke

:32:27. > :32:31.well. They defended pretty well To well. They defended pretty well. To

:32:32. > :32:36.say they were down to ten players. Yanga-Mbiwa is not doing it for me.

:32:37. > :32:40.He started well alongside Williamson. Dummett Dummett was a

:32:41. > :32:45.great story, he was playing centre back, I think Alan Hansen picked out

:32:46. > :32:51.a moment that was important. It was worthy of being picked out, but he

:32:52. > :32:55.did spoil his day. But, yeah, they needed a point, the bigger point I

:32:56. > :32:59.was looking at was Liverpool. They should have won the game. If they

:33:00. > :33:04.are going to challenge for a title you have to be beating ten players

:33:05. > :33:09.when you are playing against them for an hour: It is 23409 always a

:33:10. > :33:12.given you are going to beat ten men. It was one of those games where

:33:13. > :33:16.Liverpool weren't at their best they have come away with a point,

:33:17. > :33:22.you know, towards the end they were pressing, probably more likely to

:33:23. > :33:25.win the game, so I think, I still think it keeps momentum, I think he

:33:26. > :33:30.will take a positive out of that. Yes, when you look at it, you look

:33:31. > :33:35.back and think they had tn men for so long, they will look and think it

:33:36. > :33:41.is still a step in the right direction. Both teams played well.

:33:42. > :33:48.Liverpool are not in Europe. They can go all guns blazing. Paul

:33:49. > :33:52.Dummett, must want to come on when Newcastle do have 11 men, because

:33:53. > :33:59.that is twice this season, the opening day he came on as a sub, we

:34:00. > :34:05.did that game when Steven Taylor got sent out. And he was up against that

:34:06. > :34:09.vaz. He getting atuned to the Premier League that young man. On

:34:10. > :34:17.live pool, when you say the front three, are you talking Moses Suarez

:34:18. > :34:22.or cute know. What would you do with Moses? He he come out of the team?

:34:23. > :34:26.You hear a chat about the Liverpool side and player, players are not

:34:27. > :34:29.taking to him. He has not contributed what they wanted him to

:34:30. > :34:35.contribute, which was pace down the line, creating chancing -- chances,

:34:36. > :34:40.linking up with Sturridge and Suarez, he hasn't really done that,

:34:41. > :34:44.he would be the one that would suffer. If he plays in his first

:34:45. > :34:51.choice team, Gerrard on lieu kiss, you have four, then the four are

:34:52. > :34:57.Coutinho and another, Henderson, Moses, but on most, I agree, he is

:34:58. > :35:00.not quite, I say there is a lot of controversy about why do people do

:35:01. > :35:05.this in terms of the loan system. There is a reason teams let someone

:35:06. > :35:07.go on loan, they are not good enough for that team. Victor Moses, he

:35:08. > :35:17.is not like you have signed a superstar. His quality, we are not

:35:18. > :35:20.doubting it. We know he is a good footballer, but what sometimes fans

:35:21. > :35:21.doubting it. We know he is a good get, is a body language they see a

:35:22. > :35:27.body language, he might get, is a body language they see a

:35:28. > :35:29.might not be what they want to see. He is not bubbly, he is walking

:35:30. > :35:36.round the pitch, he is not tracking back, so they find that hard to take

:35:37. > :35:38.when it is wrong. We discussed this before, so many positives and

:35:39. > :35:43.negatives with the loan system, you could argue, spent last week talking

:35:44. > :35:48.about towns, he went on loan here there and everywhere, it was a loan

:35:49. > :35:52.at QPR that turned things round for him. I have that problem for

:35:53. > :35:55.understanding younger player, it becomes muddy when you are talking

:35:56. > :36:02.Premier League to Premier League club, then you can ask questions in

:36:03. > :36:06.certain case, I did hear an argument about the Luke being sent out on

:36:07. > :36:12.loan, Jose Mourinho knows he could hurt some of their rivals. Why not?

:36:13. > :36:17.My objection is this, is that Premier League teams this season,

:36:18. > :36:24.even if you finish you will be getting about 65, ?70 million. Part

:36:25. > :36:27.of a Premier League teams and the management staff, the manager, part

:36:28. > :36:32.of the skills should be to use that money to build a squad to compete. I

:36:33. > :36:37.think that is it. You shouldn't be able to borrow player, that is part

:36:38. > :36:44.of the skill of competing in a club. Let us go back to one of the other

:36:45. > :36:47.games, West Ham against Manchester City. Manchester City winning away

:36:48. > :36:53.from home before a Champions League match. It wasn't just an away win,

:36:54. > :37:00.it was an away win done with Nastasic, who had a run round when

:37:01. > :37:04.he went to Stoke. Yes Aguero was just outstanding, having seen the

:37:05. > :37:09.goals. So you are ignoring Garcia and Nastasic. It was about Aguero,

:37:10. > :37:13.his movement was great. He was holding off centre halves, his

:37:14. > :37:17.strength was incredible. His awareness was great. It was a joy to

:37:18. > :37:23.watch him. Manchester City were outstanding. Tell you what struck me

:37:24. > :37:27.was Sergio Aguero's performance. He did get a bit of freedom in the

:37:28. > :37:34.box. Most players would have been happy with that. He was outstanding.

:37:35. > :37:39.Silva had a good game. But are we doing title predictions again. You

:37:40. > :37:45.are more than welcome. I will go City, Arsenal or Chelsea: I was

:37:46. > :37:49.going to mention Nastasic and Garcia. It was a decent game for

:37:50. > :37:52.them to get back in to, in the sense Sam didn't play with an out-and-out

:37:53. > :37:56.Sam didn't play with an out-and out striker. That formation worked

:37:57. > :37:59.against Spurs, that is fine, but should he have changed it for

:38:00. > :38:05.Manchester City, because the same formation isn't going to work

:38:06. > :38:11.against every team? It is not but it would take a brave manager to change

:38:12. > :38:14.a team that won 3-0 at Spurs. I understand why he did it. Maybe he

:38:15. > :38:21.should have changed the formation quicker during the game. Going back

:38:22. > :38:25.to the centre halves, that is an area when Kompany is not there, that

:38:26. > :38:36.is where they are going to struggle. It don't look good for Lescott.

:38:37. > :41:39.PROBLEM WITH SOUND We are not going to be able to

:41:40. > :41:44.continue with Match of the Day 2 continue with Match of the Day

:41:45. > :41:47.because of that loss of sound.