:00:00. > :00:36.Hello, welcome to Match of the Day 2s, this Sunday lunchtime. We are
:00:37. > :00:39.coming live from Villa Park ahead of Aston Villa against Spurs. The only
:00:40. > :00:46.Sunday fixture today, you can watch us as ever on BBC One or on the BBC
:00:47. > :00:49.sport website or listen to us on BBC Radio 5 Live. My three guests this
:00:50. > :00:54.afternoon, include former Aston Villa striker among many other clubs
:00:55. > :00:59.Dion Dublin, we have BBC football company Tay Guy Mowbray and Andy
:01:00. > :01:07.Dunn from the Sunday Mirror. We are going to look back at yesterday's
:01:08. > :01:16.games, we want your thoughts as well. Big game for your former club
:01:17. > :01:20.this afternoon? Yes, it is important they try and start to get
:01:21. > :01:27.consistency, two second halves I think they have their work cut out.
:01:28. > :01:31.They have to be on the gape, we know Defoe likes playing at Villa Park so
:01:32. > :01:35.two centre halves will be key. I said a big game for his former club,
:01:36. > :01:40.but it is a big game for Spurs, given what happened in their last
:01:41. > :01:46.league game. That defeat against West Ham is the most shocking result
:01:47. > :01:50.of the season so far. Villa have lost 4-0 the last twice Spurs have
:01:51. > :01:55.been here and last time had their pants pulled down. It will be a bit
:01:56. > :01:59.different today. Much closer game than that. But they will be glad to
:02:00. > :02:06.see Jermaine Defoe is on the bench. That is one of the things that AVB
:02:07. > :02:12.has to be grabble with. He has won every time he has put out a team, he
:02:13. > :02:17.has a wealth of resource, Defoe came in the capital cup, ran Villa ragged
:02:18. > :02:21.and then found himself on the bench. It's a question of AVB getting it
:02:22. > :02:26.right. Now the pressure is on him. We will get the thoughts from
:02:27. > :02:30.everybody on the conundrum there after we hear from the Spurs
:02:31. > :02:37.manager. We had the chance to be first on
:02:38. > :02:47.that weekend, so you know, that, that definitely was a call to
:02:48. > :02:51.attention for us, comes along with, with unpredictable this league is,
:02:52. > :02:56.we end up being sixth, the distance two the first is three points, so
:02:57. > :03:01.everything is completely open this season, but it shows that you know,
:03:02. > :03:08.this surprise results can happen, it happen, it has happened to other
:03:09. > :03:12.teams, it happened to us, and we felt very disappointed. I think what
:03:13. > :03:17.Villa and doing and the results they have been getting, they sit solidly
:03:18. > :03:22.at tenth place. They don't have that pressure. They started poorly. They
:03:23. > :03:26.look more comfortable, they look more a team, I think Paul Lambert is
:03:27. > :03:31.a credit for the amount of youngsters he is bringing through,
:03:32. > :03:37.also, and and I see them, you know, stepping, you know, stepping up and
:03:38. > :03:43.being there challenging for European places in the end. Do you agree with
:03:44. > :03:46.Guy it was the most shocking result of the season? Andre Villas-Boas did
:03:47. > :03:50.say it has happened to other sides already this season. Yes, but not
:03:51. > :03:55.that emphatically. The nature of the score line was emphatic. They didn't
:03:56. > :03:59.really get in behind West Ham. You would expect the side of Spurs
:04:00. > :04:03.quality, when you you are talking about players, and we have been
:04:04. > :04:07.saying how good Christian Eriksen has started. They didn't create that
:04:08. > :04:11.many chances in that game, that is a worry for him.y, think it was the
:04:12. > :04:15.most shocking result of the season. It will be in their minds. If you
:04:16. > :04:19.would have looked at the game and said if they can nick a point, the
:04:20. > :04:23.word is emphatic. Spurs were blown out of the water, and, West Ham
:04:24. > :04:28.deserved the plaudits they got after that. Spurs have to never less that
:04:29. > :04:32.-- let that happen again. Don't get embarrassed. Not to a local rival.
:04:33. > :04:36.Andre Villas-Boas will want that embedded in the players' heads,
:04:37. > :04:44.remember that and use it and go forward. If you are a Spurs fan we
:04:45. > :04:47.would love to know what you think. Andre Villas-Boas isn't the first
:04:48. > :04:50.Spurs manager with this tackty tal conundrum, of, although he has
:04:51. > :04:57.probably got a greater squad of players to pick from, but they do
:04:58. > :05:02.seem, they do seem to lack width at the moment. We say lack width. They
:05:03. > :05:08.have Andros Townsend flying, of course, Gareth Bale has gone, that
:05:09. > :05:11.is the big miss. I think, it might be controversial they are a gaerment
:05:12. > :05:16.now he has gone and no so reliant on one player, they have so many star
:05:17. > :05:20.player, maybe that is the problem for him. We were talking a few
:05:21. > :05:28.moments, about Townsend, he probably wouldn't have been getting a game
:05:29. > :05:32.for Spurs, let alone England had Gareth Bale been there. He has
:05:33. > :05:37.option, it is the best ones, it is not a bad problem for him to have.
:05:38. > :05:42.With Townsend, you don't know what he is going to do. Do you, do you
:05:43. > :05:47.want him to go down the line and get the box. He tends to cut inside a
:05:48. > :05:51.hell of a lot. As we spoke about it, Lennon is the one that goes left,
:05:52. > :06:00.and crosses it, you don't know what to do with Townsend. As a forward do
:06:01. > :06:06.you think do I go in or not? That is why I think Tottenham fans were so
:06:07. > :06:09.surprised, we have seen many times he tends to cut inside, you are
:06:10. > :06:13.right. I think they look round and they don't quite know what to
:06:14. > :06:17.expect. His colleagues from what he is going to dough. The debate
:06:18. > :06:25.between sol Dr Doe and Jermaine Defoe will continue in the same way,
:06:26. > :06:32.you go back 12 month it was Adebayor. He is not even in the
:06:33. > :06:35.picture. It is what the teams at the top, Arsenal have it as well. I
:06:36. > :06:39.think Spurs is have it, they have more than one option for every
:06:40. > :06:42.position, we have said about Lennon and Townsend, you have Defoe and
:06:43. > :06:46.Soldado. They are different players in the same position, so depending
:06:47. > :06:55.on who you are up against, what a great problem to have. Kevin
:06:56. > :07:00.Armstrong, Liam Shakespeare who have sent in tweets and text, where will
:07:01. > :07:05.Aston Villa finish? They will be top ten. If they do, if they do better
:07:06. > :07:09.than top ten, they will have exceeded expectation, last season
:07:10. > :07:13.hay were woeful, they were shocking, fighting relegation last year, now
:07:14. > :07:18.this year they will have to be strong and stable and get in the top
:07:19. > :07:22.ten and build from there. What is the different -- difference this
:07:23. > :07:27.season? Confidence. That is a big thing. The players, when I watch
:07:28. > :07:30.them play they want to get the ball. They seem happier. I have said this
:07:31. > :07:34.many tile, if your players are smiling and happy, you are going to
:07:35. > :07:38.get a well drilled football team. They have the manager, they know
:07:39. > :07:45.what he want, and what he expects, and they are delivering that. It
:07:46. > :07:50.shows how good the manager is. It takes managers and player to adjust.
:07:51. > :07:54.It has taken Delph, a couple of years to get to the stage where he
:07:55. > :07:57.is an influential force in the team. That is what happened who younger
:07:58. > :08:02.player, the Premier League, it applies to coaches as well. It takes
:08:03. > :08:09.them a year, maybe two to become accustomed to it and no what is
:08:10. > :08:13.required. They grew into the season, they were better in the second half.
:08:14. > :08:18.They had a new Mag manager as well. It took him time to get used to his
:08:19. > :08:24.batch of new player, the maturity factor, we have discussed this with
:08:25. > :08:27.Aaron Ramsey, that win over Morgan Amalfitano -- Manchester City the
:08:28. > :08:31.average age was 24 of that team and there wasn't one player, even
:08:32. > :08:40.approach ing 30. Just quickly, because whenever you talk Villa,
:08:41. > :08:44.everybody texts in questions about Christian Benteke but do other
:08:45. > :08:52.players go under the radar? We know how good he is, as a player who is
:08:53. > :08:57.possibly in the shadow of bent tech, Weimann is a player who will say I
:08:58. > :09:01.will take you take the limelight. I will continue do my job. It works
:09:02. > :09:06.well for him. It is always the big strikers that get the attention? I
:09:07. > :09:12.strikers that get the attention I don't know what you mean. I was
:09:13. > :09:18.centre half. Your legs had gone Someone told me someone scored two
:09:19. > :09:24.on his debut with Spurs? No idea. We will come on to one of your goals
:09:25. > :09:30.later on. It is on Match of the Day 2 tonight, you can listen to it live
:09:31. > :09:33.of course, on BBC Radio 5 Live from 4.00 this afternoon. Let us talk
:09:34. > :09:38.about yesterday's games, with will start with the game at Old Trafford.
:09:39. > :09:45.Manchester United 1 Southampton 1. Reaction from there comes courtesy
:09:46. > :09:49.of David Moyes. We had pockets of play that were good. There were
:09:50. > :09:52.other periods where we weren't so good. It was a chance that
:09:53. > :09:57.Southampton could create something. The moments we had, you were hoping
:09:58. > :10:02.one would go in. If we had a second goal we would have put the game to
:10:03. > :10:07.bed. 1-0 is a dangerous result. A great point for us, he rode our luck
:10:08. > :10:13.at times. We could have nicked it at the end and taken all three. Great
:10:14. > :10:17.credit to the lads. A great result getting a point at Old Trafford
:10:18. > :10:22.Dionne was passing Andy Dunn a fiver for bringing up the two goals
:10:23. > :10:25.against Spurs. Let us start with you, you were at Old Trafford. You
:10:26. > :10:30.said to me before we game came on air, there was a sense in the last
:10:31. > :10:36.20 minutes round the ground, that they might not be able to hang on.
:10:37. > :10:40.It wasn't so much that, the sense of unease was the feeling that Moyes
:10:41. > :10:44.was protecting a 1-0 lead and that is a phenomenon that they are not
:10:45. > :10:48.used to. United at home don't protect a 1-0 lead, they build on
:10:49. > :10:53.it. There was this feeling that, the manager here, the way he has set up,
:10:54. > :10:57.and the substitutions late on, when he brought Smalling on, and it
:10:58. > :11:01.looked like they were trying to hold on to 1-0. I can understand that to
:11:02. > :11:05.a certain extent, because he wants victories at the moment. He needs to
:11:06. > :11:12.get wins and points on the board. But all the same, it was an anathema
:11:13. > :11:17.round the ground. They are thinking we are hanging on to a 1-0 lead,
:11:18. > :11:21.against a team we would normally expect to beat. It was the
:11:22. > :11:26.commentary on Five Live, I have to say, that was the thing that stood
:11:27. > :11:30.out, when Ian Dennis said Rooney is coming off and Smalling is coming
:11:31. > :11:33.on. Southampton when their last season Sir Alex Ferguson said it was
:11:34. > :11:36.the best visiting performance from a side at Old Trafford that season;
:11:37. > :11:41.but it was that defensive substitution that I think raised the
:11:42. > :11:46.eyebrows. Southampton are a good team, but this is Manchester United
:11:47. > :11:51.at home, when they should be beating anybody, that comes to Old Trafford.
:11:52. > :11:54.I just think David Moyes is going to ride with this and roll with it for
:11:55. > :11:58.some time. It is playing into the hands of those of us who said before
:11:59. > :12:01.the start of the season is difficulty he is going to be
:12:02. > :12:04.managing Manchester United differently to how he managed
:12:05. > :12:09.Everton. You can't manage the two clubs the same, there is a different
:12:10. > :12:12.level of expectation, no disrespect to Everton. That substitution played
:12:13. > :12:16.into the hand of those who say that is what he is doing. There is a
:12:17. > :12:19.different feel though, smaller clubs, they are going to Old
:12:20. > :12:24.Trafford thinking hold on, we have seen this happen before, let us have
:12:25. > :12:28.a go at them. Let us be on the front foot. Let them see what we have got.
:12:29. > :12:30.Now they are going to Manchester United, and having a go. The players
:12:31. > :12:33.of Manchester United have never experienced that before, so they are
:12:34. > :12:42.on the back foot and they don't know how to deal with being on the back
:12:43. > :12:47.foot. Alex, I was going to ask you a deep question. Alex says do you
:12:48. > :12:51.think Moyes will change United or will United change him? That is
:12:52. > :12:56.complicated for a Sunday lunchtime. I think Moyes will change the way,
:12:57. > :12:58.you know, the way United play. He will change it into to a side the
:12:59. > :13:00.way he wants it to play. It won t will change it into to a side the
:13:01. > :13:03.way he wants it to play. It won't be Sir Alex Ferguson side. That will
:13:04. > :13:08.take a lot of time. The fact of the matter, going back, it connects with
:13:09. > :13:12.that point, going back to what Dionne say, the problem Moyes has,
:13:13. > :13:16.team, I struggle to believe this but teams are lifted by the fact Sir
:13:17. > :13:22.Alex Ferguson is not sat there on the bench. I find that fascinating.
:13:23. > :13:27.It is 11 versus 11, but Gareth Bale, we were at a dinner and his said
:13:28. > :13:31.teams will go, they will go there, Tottenham at the time, teams will go
:13:32. > :13:36.there and they will be be physically lifted by the fact Fergie is not on
:13:37. > :13:40.the bench. I said you are a professional footballer, what
:13:41. > :13:44.difference does it make? As a player who has played at Old Trafford, you
:13:45. > :13:47.sometimes lose the game before you get off the coach, because you are
:13:48. > :13:51.such in awe of the stadium and the players you will play against. The
:13:52. > :13:55.cars in the car park, I think managers, I think you are bang on,
:13:56. > :14:01.managers can be the same, Fergie is not there any more so you think I
:14:02. > :14:04.have a chance. We are playing a David Moyes team rather than
:14:05. > :14:08.Manchester United. We said this before. To that is a season in
:14:09. > :14:13.transition it is the biggest transition any club in our era has
:14:14. > :14:16.known, after 26 years and the Chief Executive going, the whole club is
:14:17. > :14:21.different. Other clubs will be going there and thinking we will never
:14:22. > :14:26.have a better chance. Why have Southampton down well so far? We saw
:14:27. > :14:31.it last season. We saw it in that game at Old Trafford. Southampton
:14:32. > :14:35.were unlucky not to come way with something from it. He has gradually
:14:36. > :14:40.got them playing better and better. He has his own passing style, some
:14:41. > :14:46.of his own player, the players were there. The likes of Lallana.
:14:47. > :14:51.Snideling. You wonder why he was in League One. He is a Premier League
:14:52. > :14:54.player born. Tony Pulis said he is the most computer midfielder in the
:14:55. > :15:04.Premier League. That doesn't necessarily mean the best, but the
:15:05. > :15:07.most computer midfielder. yesterday, he was outstanding and he's what we
:15:08. > :15:13.would call an old-fashioned box to box midfielder. There are not many
:15:14. > :15:17.like him in the Premier League. What Pochettino has done is the fitness
:15:18. > :15:21.levels, the work ethic of Southampton team. It reminds me of
:15:22. > :15:24.the way football is going, 21st century football with this high
:15:25. > :15:28.pressing game. They were pressing United, there was no time on the
:15:29. > :15:33.ball for Michael Carrick or Fellaini or the centre halves, even the
:15:34. > :15:40.fallbacks. It is the pressing game but we have seen from Barcelona in
:15:41. > :15:44.the past and Pochettino is doing it. There was a contrast in the pace and
:15:45. > :15:48.the power and the speed of the Southampton midfield compared to the
:15:49. > :15:52.Manchester United midfield duo of Michael Carrick and Fellaini. I
:15:53. > :15:56.think it is energy, they want to play the way the manager is asking
:15:57. > :16:00.them to play. On Morgan Schneiderlin, why he is having such
:16:01. > :16:06.a good season is he's making good decisions, he is choosing the right
:16:07. > :16:11.options, when he can go box to box, the Paris where he can put someone
:16:12. > :16:17.in, keeping it simple. -- the past. He makes the decisions. He makes the
:16:18. > :16:27.right decisions. Gelano goes and Schneiderlin comes past. I thought
:16:28. > :16:32.it was the Hollywood past. It is the Diadora pass, are used to be
:16:33. > :16:38.sponsored by Diadora. Let's go to Stamford Bridge, Chelsea beating
:16:39. > :16:40.Cardiff and as you know, Chelsea scored a hugely controversial
:16:41. > :16:43.equaliser after Samuel Eto'o took the ball of the Cardiff goalkeeper
:16:44. > :16:51.Marshall. Here are the thoughts of Malky Mackay. I have been in to see
:16:52. > :16:54.the linesman and the referee for clarification. Our goalkeeper
:16:55. > :16:58.bounced the ball. He saw the player standing there and he bounced the
:16:59. > :17:03.ball. The referee is saying that at the time, he heard from his linesman
:17:04. > :17:07.but the goalkeeper dropped the ball, so I asked for clarification of the
:17:08. > :17:11.rule. They said that if the goalkeeper had bounced the ball, it
:17:12. > :17:15.was a foul. I have looked at it again and he obviously bounces the
:17:16. > :17:20.ball, because he knows that ghetto is standing there. So obviously
:17:21. > :17:23.there has been a huge mistake that Rankin is that Samuel Eto'o is
:17:24. > :17:27.standing there. Andy Dunn, you have shown a remarkable knowledge of the
:17:28. > :17:30.goalkeeping rules even prior to yesterday. It was a mistake by the
:17:31. > :17:34.officials. It was an aberration, one officials. It was an aberration one
:17:35. > :17:41.of those mistakes that you cannot account for. It isn't that he
:17:42. > :17:45.doesn't know the rules, he wouldn't get through the basic grades without
:17:46. > :17:47.knowing that rule, so it is just overlooked for one reason or
:17:48. > :17:48.another. knowing that rule, so it is just
:17:49. > :17:52.overlooked for one reason or The referee is probably not looking. He
:17:53. > :17:56.has then thought, hang on, has a word with the assistant referee who
:17:57. > :18:00.hasn't been observant enough either and for some reason, he has given
:18:01. > :18:05.the attacking team the benefit of the doubt. Alan Shearer looked at
:18:06. > :18:09.this on Match of the Day last night and highlighted that Anthony Taylor
:18:10. > :18:12.looked in a different direction is Marshall was bouncing the ball. That
:18:13. > :18:17.is his prerogative, but his assistant referee was my job is to
:18:18. > :18:23.stay level with the goalkeeper and watch the goalkeeper until the ball
:18:24. > :18:28.is released -- the assistant referee's job. It is an honest,
:18:29. > :18:33.horrible mistake. Nothing has been done on purpose and the benefit of
:18:34. > :18:36.the doubt, if any, has devoted the attacking team. I got in touch with
:18:37. > :18:40.a goalkeeper friend of mine just to ask why feel the need to bounce the
:18:41. > :18:46.ball? They all do it, but why do they do it? Is it habit, is it
:18:47. > :18:54.nerves? He said it is habit, you get it and you bounce it. Even with
:18:55. > :18:57.someone next year. He did say you wouldn't do it if Samuel Eto'o is
:18:58. > :19:02.stirred by your side. David Marshall has said it is his mistake. Due
:19:03. > :19:09.member with Gary Crosby and Andy Dibble years ago, the rule was
:19:10. > :19:15.changed very subtly -- do you remember. Danny and Scott, I'm going
:19:16. > :19:20.to read your messages. Did Dion not feel a little bit guilty when he
:19:21. > :19:25.took the ball off Shay given when he played the commentary? Does he feel
:19:26. > :19:31.it is not sporting what Samuel Eto'o did, because he did the same thing?
:19:32. > :19:35.It is genius, I don't feel sorry one bit! The ball is in the back of the
:19:36. > :19:36.net. If the ball is out of your contact you cannot be in control of
:19:37. > :19:39.the ball, that is my opinion. contact you cannot be in control of
:19:40. > :19:45.the ball, that is my Shay given rolled the ball out with a bitter
:19:46. > :19:50.backspin as goalkeepers do. He got it when he wanted to stop, where was
:19:51. > :19:54.perfect for me, and I ran around him and put it in the back of the net.
:19:55. > :19:59.You cannot be in control of the ball if you of not physically holding
:20:00. > :20:03.it. If the rule is that, the goal shouldn't have stood, but I think it
:20:04. > :20:08.was genius of Samuel Eto'o. The joke at the time was Shay given is the
:20:09. > :20:17.only Irishman who doesn't know where Dublin is! From playing point of
:20:18. > :20:26.view, when you are leading a big club like that, and they had a
:20:27. > :20:28.decent start, did Cardiff, does it change your mentality when you
:20:29. > :20:35.concede a goal which you feel ought not to have been given? It
:20:36. > :20:36.shouldn't. There is obviously an element of disappointment, you think
:20:37. > :20:40.that you were on the front foot and element of disappointment, you think
:20:41. > :20:43.that you were on the doing OK, and the goalkeeper, David Marshall, who
:20:44. > :20:48.I played with at Celtic, he will hold his hand up and say it was his
:20:49. > :20:51.mistake, let's regroup. It does set you back a little bit and your plans
:20:52. > :20:56.have gone out the window slightly, because you do not plan for that, so
:20:57. > :21:00.you do get setback, it is hard to come back. One other bit of
:21:01. > :21:04.controversy was Jose Mourinho getting sent to the stand after
:21:05. > :21:09.losing his cool, to put it politely. Here is the assistant first-team
:21:10. > :21:13.coach Steve Holland. I am not certain exactly what occurred, but
:21:14. > :21:16.they kicked the ball out for us to take a throw in and they kicked the
:21:17. > :21:21.ball right into the corner flag which the young ball boy went to
:21:22. > :21:25.get. He threw the ball back to Ivanovic, and it missed, so the ball
:21:26. > :21:29.was in the dugout area somewhere, none of which is the fault of
:21:30. > :21:34.Ivanovic. I think Ivanovic had the ball in his hands for two seconds
:21:35. > :21:36.and already, the referee was gesticulating to his watch and
:21:37. > :21:42.putting pressure on him to get the ball into play, which is why we were
:21:43. > :21:46.all, and Jose Mourinho is the manager out on the touchline, so
:21:47. > :21:49.furious. Why was it suddenly so important that the ball came back
:21:50. > :21:54.into play within the player having one or two seconds possession of the
:21:55. > :21:58.ball, when for an hour we had been frustrated by the clear time wasting
:21:59. > :22:03.tactics of the opposition? So that is the top and bottom of it. I was
:22:04. > :22:07.there yesterday and they were getting very get up early on about
:22:08. > :22:14.what they concede to be Cardiff's what they concede to be Cardiff s
:22:15. > :22:19.time wasting tactics, but it was a very minor for him to get so angry
:22:20. > :22:23.about that. Doesn't it sound petty? We wanted the ball and they wouldn't
:22:24. > :22:26.give it to us! I think it is one of the great sights of modern football
:22:27. > :22:30.when a manager is sent from the bench. The fans love it coming you
:22:31. > :22:36.have a panto villain. It is like the orange ball in the snow! At Old
:22:37. > :22:40.Trafford was the classic. I heard an extended version of that interview
:22:41. > :22:43.with Steve Holland, and he went on about how during the game they had
:22:44. > :22:48.been enquiring politely to the officials. I thought, of course you
:22:49. > :22:52.have! On a serious point, it is an issue now, especially with the
:22:53. > :22:57.fourth official becoming the focal point of so much dissent, that is
:22:58. > :23:00.what you call it. I was at Spurs against Chelsea and the press can
:23:01. > :23:04.sit behind that area, and there was so much dissent towards the fourth
:23:05. > :23:09.official and the assistant referee that I think the FA will clamp down.
:23:10. > :23:14.My argument is that as a player on the page, and if I am a Cardiff
:23:15. > :23:22.player, and Willie and goes down, told to go down, so they could
:23:23. > :23:26.strengthen their team... -- Willian goes down. Why would you give the
:23:27. > :23:30.ball back to let them attack you? If I was the captain of Cardiff, I
:23:31. > :23:34.would have kept the ball, no problem at all. It was a strange incident
:23:35. > :23:39.that led to the ball going out of play, Willian going down, a
:23:40. > :23:40.substitution happening and Willian getting straight back up without
:23:41. > :23:45.treatment. If somebody is heard, get treatment. If somebody is heard get
:23:46. > :23:49.the ball out as quickly as possible. If it is just to make a substitution
:23:50. > :23:51.to benefit the team you are playing against, there is nowhere in the
:23:52. > :23:56.world I would have given the ball back. This message asks whether
:23:57. > :24:01.David Luiz should be playing at centre back? He should be playing as
:24:02. > :24:05.far away from the defence as possible. In behind the front two.
:24:06. > :24:12.He has so much talent and skill and can create things out of nothing. At
:24:13. > :24:16.centre half, he is wasted. When you say as far away as possible, do you
:24:17. > :24:21.mean Spain? Interestingly, it brings up a situation where it looks like
:24:22. > :24:26.Mourinho's favoured partner, because John Terry will always be there, is
:24:27. > :24:31.David Luiz, and what he's going to do... That has implications that
:24:32. > :24:39.Gary Caygill, obviously, but when I saw at Spurs, David Luiz did not go
:24:40. > :24:45.beyond the halfway line -- Gary K Hill. Mourinho thinks he can change
:24:46. > :24:50.him into an accomplished centre back. He has to curb those instincts
:24:51. > :24:53.of going forward. A year ago, I would have agreed with Dion
:24:54. > :24:57.wholeheartedly but having seen him play at the Confederations Cup last
:24:58. > :25:00.summer, they wouldn't have him anywhere else, they adore him at
:25:01. > :25:06.centre back and he will start there in the World Cup. Pat Nevin did
:25:07. > :25:11.appease in the Confederations Cup and David Luiz and Thiago Silva --
:25:12. > :25:15.did a piece. It talked about that when you are brought up in Brazil as
:25:16. > :25:20.a centre back, you always think you can go one-on-one with your man but
:25:21. > :25:25.you don't worry about covering the opposition, you deal with your man.
:25:26. > :25:31.And if you make a mistake, it will be costly but it is forgiven because
:25:32. > :25:35.you are doing at the right way. Lucio, for example, he made the
:25:36. > :25:41.mistake in 2002 and Michael Owen pounced and scored, but he was doing
:25:42. > :25:44.it the right way. It is very easy to criticise from our cultural point of
:25:45. > :25:49.view, but if you have been brought up a certain way, that is how you
:25:50. > :25:52.play. If you play like Brazil play, they don't really have positions.
:25:53. > :25:56.They have areas where they are supposed to be and if one goes
:25:57. > :26:03.forward, one comes back. It doesn't matter where they go, they just make
:26:04. > :26:06.sure they are set up correctly on the page. In England, we are very
:26:07. > :26:11.different. If you are a centre half, you go up and then you come back.
:26:12. > :26:15.David Luiz will stay up front for Brazil for several phases. Finishing
:26:16. > :26:19.on Chelsea and Cardiff, controversial decisions was the last
:26:20. > :26:23.thing Malky Mackay needed after the week he has had. What a couple of
:26:24. > :26:28.weeks he has had. This has been rumbling on for some time. The club
:26:29. > :26:31.has done wonders, Malky has done wonders, let's give him his due and
:26:32. > :26:34.the owner has done his bit and got them into the Premier League but let
:26:35. > :26:40.some sanity break out in Cardiff, please. If you are going to stay
:26:41. > :26:44.with us on BBC One, we are going to talk Arsenal, and England as well,
:26:45. > :26:49.but if you are listening on BBC Radio 5 live, you are going to leave
:26:50. > :26:57.us. Remember, Aston Villa against Spurs is on Radio 5 later, but if
:26:58. > :27:01.you are on Radio 5, it is time the European cup rugby. On BBC One and
:27:02. > :27:05.the BBC sport website, we are going to move on to Arsenal, 4-1 winners
:27:06. > :27:11.over Norwich. Here are the thoughts of Wenger. A few weeks ago, we lost
:27:12. > :27:15.the first game of the season here, it was a very different time but we
:27:16. > :27:20.have responded quickly and since then, we have been consistent. I
:27:21. > :27:25.like the solidarity we have in the team and of course, we know we have
:27:26. > :27:29.quality and it is now just how much can we maintain that and sustain
:27:30. > :27:34.that effort to play together at that level, and that will decide our
:27:35. > :27:37.future. Lee has said was Jack Wilshire's goal yesterday one of the
:27:38. > :27:44.best goals in the Premier League over the past few seasons? Yes,
:27:45. > :27:47.quite simply. All four of the Arsenal goals yesterday could be in
:27:48. > :27:53.the goal of the month competition in an average month. It was great. What
:27:54. > :27:58.we have done for many years is we have not using this positively,
:27:59. > :28:01.accusing Arsenal of walking through, trying to walk through and
:28:02. > :28:07.they did it yesterday for four times. It was amazing to watch. If
:28:08. > :28:11.you haven't seen it, try and see it as soon as possible. The one touch
:28:12. > :28:15.football, the little flicks, it all just came off perfectly. The best
:28:16. > :28:21.thing about it was how calm the finish was, he just side footed it
:28:22. > :28:25.past the goalkeeper. From a corporate point of view, you can
:28:26. > :28:30.watch it on Match of the Day two tonight! Or Match of the Day when it
:28:31. > :28:35.comes on the eye player. -- BBC iPlayer. This one asks whether Mesut
:28:36. > :28:40.Ozil is the key to Arsenal is success? But when you look at the
:28:41. > :28:47.first goal, the role of Olivier Giroud should not be overlooked.
:28:48. > :28:51.That is right, and we need to look at the positives. People will ask
:28:52. > :28:56.what will happen if something happens to Giroud and that will be
:28:57. > :29:00.an issue. But it comes back to what I was saying earlier, it takes
:29:01. > :29:03.players time to adjust to the Premier League and it has taken
:29:04. > :29:06.Giroud a little time to adjust and he has proven himself to be what
:29:07. > :29:13.Arsene Wenger has said, an accomplished player. Back to Ozil,
:29:14. > :29:14.yes... I was driving here trying to rack my brains about has there been
:29:15. > :29:17.one rack my brains about has there been
:29:18. > :29:21.signing that has made such an impact immediately, and I can't actually
:29:22. > :29:25.think of one. I don't mean the way he's playing himself but the way he
:29:26. > :29:28.has lifted everyone around him through his ability. Their
:29:29. > :29:31.confidence has grown, they know they will get the ball back on a very
:29:32. > :29:37.basic level and he seems to have given everyone and their entire
:29:38. > :29:44.lives, one signing. I think two because Ozil cannot do what he does
:29:45. > :29:47.without Flamini doing what he does. I remember him as a very good player
:29:48. > :29:51.in the Premier League who developed into that role and he has come back
:29:52. > :29:56.from Milan and absolutely fantastic player. He is the rock upon which
:29:57. > :29:59.Ozil and those can do their stuff. I think Arsenal are one centre back
:30:00. > :30:06.and one strike away from being title contenders.
:30:07. > :30:11.The players, the British players, they have all had to raise their
:30:12. > :30:15.game, to reach the standard of Ozil and Flamini and Ramsey has been
:30:16. > :30:20.outstanding, I think that the whole of the clubs, from a couple of
:30:21. > :30:25.signings, they have had a couple of world class signings, if we want to
:30:26. > :30:30.be in the team we have to pick our game up and they have. The Flamini
:30:31. > :30:35.point, Norwich's best spell from looking at that the highlights,
:30:36. > :30:40.occurred when Flamini went off consesed. He got a head injury. It
:30:41. > :30:45.must be the closest thing Arsenal have had. Song did a good onfor
:30:46. > :30:51.them. Frimpong we thought he was going to come on faster, the closest
:30:52. > :30:55.thing they have had to a Vieira they probably need cover there, I
:30:56. > :30:58.just think Arsenal have, like Spurses we were talking about
:30:59. > :31:03.earlier, they have cover in most positions and I think they are up
:31:04. > :31:07.there. Do you worry about Norwich? A little. I really do. I can't see
:31:08. > :31:10.them getting anything from the bigger clubs if that they are going
:31:11. > :31:15.to defend like that. I know Arsenal are world class, but you can't
:31:16. > :31:18.defend like that, there was no talking in defence, no pass on
:31:19. > :31:21.information, the keeper didn't open his mouth enough in my opinion,
:31:22. > :31:26.sometimes you have to tip your hat but sometimes you can avoid some of
:31:27. > :31:31.the goals. I wonder whether if it had stayed at 2-1 I would be asking
:31:32. > :31:37.if you were worried. Because it was 4-1 that is relevant. When you
:31:38. > :31:41.listen to Chris Hughton, he says at 2-1 you settle for 2-1, or you go
:31:42. > :31:46.for it to try and get back in the game. He is not the kind of manager
:31:47. > :31:51.to sit there and think we will nick a draw. He wants to win. His players
:31:52. > :31:55.are becoming like him, very calm and very cool, and wanting to play on
:31:56. > :32:00.the ball. There wasn't enough urgency, they gave it a go but the
:32:01. > :32:02.quality of Arsenal, which is probably the answer to your
:32:03. > :32:07.question, is far too much. There is a lot of far too much squads in the
:32:08. > :32:12.Premier League that are much better than Norwich's squad. Going to the
:32:13. > :32:18.game you were at Newcastle against Liverpool. It's the kind of game,
:32:19. > :32:23.the result that could kick-start Newcastle's season: They needed that
:32:24. > :32:24.point. They had to hang on for it. There was some fight, they broke
:32:25. > :32:26.well. They defended pretty well. There was some fight, they broke
:32:27. > :32:31.well. They defended pretty well To well. They defended pretty well. To
:32:32. > :32:36.say they were down to ten players. Yanga-Mbiwa is not doing it for me.
:32:37. > :32:40.He started well alongside Williamson. Dummett Dummett was a
:32:41. > :32:45.great story, he was playing centre back, I think Alan Hansen picked out
:32:46. > :32:51.a moment that was important. It was worthy of being picked out, but he
:32:52. > :32:55.did spoil his day. But, yeah, they needed a point, the bigger point I
:32:56. > :32:59.was looking at was Liverpool. They should have won the game. If they
:33:00. > :33:04.are going to challenge for a title you have to be beating ten players
:33:05. > :33:09.when you are playing against them for an hour: It is 23409 always a
:33:10. > :33:12.given you are going to beat ten men. It was one of those games where
:33:13. > :33:16.Liverpool weren't at their best they have come away with a point,
:33:17. > :33:22.you know, towards the end they were pressing, probably more likely to
:33:23. > :33:25.win the game, so I think, I still think it keeps momentum, I think he
:33:26. > :33:30.will take a positive out of that. Yes, when you look at it, you look
:33:31. > :33:35.back and think they had tn men for so long, they will look and think it
:33:36. > :33:41.is still a step in the right direction. Both teams played well.
:33:42. > :33:48.Liverpool are not in Europe. They can go all guns blazing. Paul
:33:49. > :33:52.Dummett, must want to come on when Newcastle do have 11 men, because
:33:53. > :33:59.that is twice this season, the opening day he came on as a sub, we
:34:00. > :34:05.did that game when Steven Taylor got sent out. And he was up against that
:34:06. > :34:09.vaz. He getting atuned to the Premier League that young man. On
:34:10. > :34:17.live pool, when you say the front three, are you talking Moses Suarez
:34:18. > :34:22.or cute know. What would you do with Moses? He he come out of the team?
:34:23. > :34:26.You hear a chat about the Liverpool side and player, players are not
:34:27. > :34:29.taking to him. He has not contributed what they wanted him to
:34:30. > :34:35.contribute, which was pace down the line, creating chancing -- chances,
:34:36. > :34:40.linking up with Sturridge and Suarez, he hasn't really done that,
:34:41. > :34:44.he would be the one that would suffer. If he plays in his first
:34:45. > :34:51.choice team, Gerrard on lieu kiss, you have four, then the four are
:34:52. > :34:57.Coutinho and another, Henderson, Moses, but on most, I agree, he is
:34:58. > :35:00.not quite, I say there is a lot of controversy about why do people do
:35:01. > :35:05.this in terms of the loan system. There is a reason teams let someone
:35:06. > :35:07.go on loan, they are not good enough for that team. Victor Moses, he
:35:08. > :35:17.is not like you have signed a superstar. His quality, we are not
:35:18. > :35:20.doubting it. We know he is a good footballer, but what sometimes fans
:35:21. > :35:21.doubting it. We know he is a good get, is a body language they see a
:35:22. > :35:27.body language, he might get, is a body language they see a
:35:28. > :35:29.might not be what they want to see. He is not bubbly, he is walking
:35:30. > :35:36.round the pitch, he is not tracking back, so they find that hard to take
:35:37. > :35:38.when it is wrong. We discussed this before, so many positives and
:35:39. > :35:43.negatives with the loan system, you could argue, spent last week talking
:35:44. > :35:48.about towns, he went on loan here there and everywhere, it was a loan
:35:49. > :35:52.at QPR that turned things round for him. I have that problem for
:35:53. > :35:55.understanding younger player, it becomes muddy when you are talking
:35:56. > :36:02.Premier League to Premier League club, then you can ask questions in
:36:03. > :36:06.certain case, I did hear an argument about the Luke being sent out on
:36:07. > :36:12.loan, Jose Mourinho knows he could hurt some of their rivals. Why not?
:36:13. > :36:17.My objection is this, is that Premier League teams this season,
:36:18. > :36:24.even if you finish you will be getting about 65, ?70 million. Part
:36:25. > :36:27.of a Premier League teams and the management staff, the manager, part
:36:28. > :36:32.of the skills should be to use that money to build a squad to compete. I
:36:33. > :36:37.think that is it. You shouldn't be able to borrow player, that is part
:36:38. > :36:44.of the skill of competing in a club. Let us go back to one of the other
:36:45. > :36:47.games, West Ham against Manchester City. Manchester City winning away
:36:48. > :36:53.from home before a Champions League match. It wasn't just an away win,
:36:54. > :37:00.it was an away win done with Nastasic, who had a run round when
:37:01. > :37:04.he went to Stoke. Yes Aguero was just outstanding, having seen the
:37:05. > :37:09.goals. So you are ignoring Garcia and Nastasic. It was about Aguero,
:37:10. > :37:13.his movement was great. He was holding off centre halves, his
:37:14. > :37:17.strength was incredible. His awareness was great. It was a joy to
:37:18. > :37:23.watch him. Manchester City were outstanding. Tell you what struck me
:37:24. > :37:27.was Sergio Aguero's performance. He did get a bit of freedom in the
:37:28. > :37:34.box. Most players would have been happy with that. He was outstanding.
:37:35. > :37:39.Silva had a good game. But are we doing title predictions again. You
:37:40. > :37:45.are more than welcome. I will go City, Arsenal or Chelsea: I was
:37:46. > :37:49.going to mention Nastasic and Garcia. It was a decent game for
:37:50. > :37:52.them to get back in to, in the sense Sam didn't play with an out-and-out
:37:53. > :37:56.Sam didn't play with an out-and out striker. That formation worked
:37:57. > :37:59.against Spurs, that is fine, but should he have changed it for
:38:00. > :38:05.Manchester City, because the same formation isn't going to work
:38:06. > :38:11.against every team? It is not but it would take a brave manager to change
:38:12. > :38:14.a team that won 3-0 at Spurs. I understand why he did it. Maybe he
:38:15. > :38:21.should have changed the formation quicker during the game. Going back
:38:22. > :38:25.to the centre halves, that is an area when Kompany is not there, that
:38:26. > :38:36.is where they are going to struggle. It don't look good for Lescott.
:38:37. > :41:39.PROBLEM WITH SOUND We are not going to be able to
:41:40. > :41:44.continue with Match of the Day 2 continue with Match of the Day
:41:45. > :41:47.because of that loss of sound.