:00:35. > :00:41.Hello, welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra, we are live on BBC One, BBC
:00:42. > :00:50.you 5 live and the BBC sport website. Coming up, we will preview
:00:51. > :00:53.today's games, Manchester City host Spurs, Manchester United look to
:00:54. > :00:58.continue their recovery at Cardiff, and we look back at yesterday's
:00:59. > :01:03.Akron. A feisty and phonetic Merseyside derby, red cards and
:01:04. > :01:07.tackles in the spotlight. Crystal Palace grabbed the win at Kyle and
:01:08. > :01:10.Artur Boruc did his best Johan Cruyff impression, although not
:01:11. > :01:17.particularly well -- grab the win at Hull. With me to discuss the
:01:18. > :01:26.football, Peter Schmeichel, Alan Green and the Mirror's cheese police
:01:27. > :01:33.later -- chief sports writer, Oliver Holt. You can get in touch with us
:01:34. > :01:37.and we will put your points of view to the boys as we go through the
:01:38. > :01:44.afternoon. What struck you yesterday from all of the football? Apart from
:01:45. > :01:50.a sensational Merseyside derby, I am afraid, I wish it wasn't so,
:01:51. > :01:53.referees decisions. I'm thinking of two incidents, a red card that
:01:54. > :01:58.should not have been, and a red card that should have been but wasn't.
:01:59. > :02:02.Listeners to 5 live will probably think I love having a pop at
:02:03. > :02:07.referees but I hate it, I wish I didn't have to. They are such
:02:08. > :02:12.integral figures in the game, you have so many camera angles now,
:02:13. > :02:15.everything is exposed to very quickly after an incident, and
:02:16. > :02:25.unfortunately they get the headlines. What about you, Oliver?
:02:26. > :02:30.Well, the same thing, sadly. I know we will talk about it more. I think
:02:31. > :02:35.we took too much about referees. I think there is something wrong in
:02:36. > :02:39.our game because we talk every week about refereeing decisions. We have
:02:40. > :02:45.X referees who have columns in newspapers. Who write books about
:02:46. > :02:49.begging for a shirt from Zinedine Zidane. I think there is something
:02:50. > :02:54.wrong with the profiles of referees. I think they do a great job by and
:02:55. > :02:59.large but I think they do a great job. Alan mentioned the camera
:03:00. > :03:04.angles, where we have got it askew is that we can see so much and they
:03:05. > :03:09.can't. Somehow we need to redress that balance.
:03:10. > :03:15.Are we unique in this country in focusing so much on referees? Do you
:03:16. > :03:19.do the same thing in Denmark? It is the same thing all over. In the
:03:20. > :03:26.Champions League you have five referees. I'm still mystified what
:03:27. > :03:31.the two behind the goals are doing. It has been addressed at some level.
:03:32. > :03:36.It is weird that it hasn't changed. You still get these decisions are
:03:37. > :03:40.not either it is a penalty or not. Everyone from all the angles we
:03:41. > :03:44.have, we can see it is a penalty or not, they can't. I am not sure what
:03:45. > :03:48.kind of help you can give. I think it is more you need to educate them
:03:49. > :03:53.better, they need to understand that they are not the game. Sometimes I
:03:54. > :04:03.feel they feel they are the game. They are there to support the game.
:04:04. > :04:06.I see a lot of Championship football duty following my son for
:04:07. > :04:12.Leicester, and I see some of the referees there -- due to following.
:04:13. > :04:15.I see straightaway that this referee will ruin the game because he is
:04:16. > :04:21.therefore the crowd, housing, making silly decisions. I think the Premier
:04:22. > :04:27.League are aware of that and they want to move away from that. This
:04:28. > :04:33.country has the best referee that has been around for years, he was
:04:34. > :04:38.refereeing the Sweden against Portugal game, Howard Webb. An
:04:39. > :04:41.unbelievable performance. You have got someone like that, you put him
:04:42. > :04:47.in front of everybody, you make him tell everybody how to referee. We
:04:48. > :04:51.will be back on referees a little bit later during much of the day to
:04:52. > :04:57.extra. Let's look at the first game this afternoon. Manchester City at
:04:58. > :05:03.home to Spurs. -- during Match Of The Day 2 Extra.
:05:04. > :05:06.It is a very difficult game for us, we're going to play against a very
:05:07. > :05:11.good team, they have a good position in the table and good players.
:05:12. > :05:15.They're attacking force is to Mendez, they have been suffering
:05:16. > :05:23.problems at the back but they are still a well-organised side -- the
:05:24. > :05:34.attacking force instrument. It is commended. -- Matt
:05:35. > :05:41.they have been at the top of the table. They have very good players,
:05:42. > :05:47.sometimes it can happen that you don't score many goals but they are
:05:48. > :05:50.a very strong team. I'm very happy, bearing in mind the amount of wins
:05:51. > :05:57.that we have compared two drawers or defeats. The only situation we have
:05:58. > :06:06.different from last season is incredibly, there are eight teams
:06:07. > :06:11.very near each other. Probably last season, although we have more points
:06:12. > :06:15.this season, we never dropped that low in the league table because we
:06:16. > :06:23.had some distance of comfort to the chasing pack. This season is a
:06:24. > :06:28.little bit different. From fourth or third, you can be seventh or eighth
:06:29. > :06:36.in the week after if the results at the weekend don't go towards your
:06:37. > :06:40.expectations. We have ninth placed Manchester City hosting seventh
:06:41. > :06:45.placed Spurs. Both sides have questions to answer over recent
:06:46. > :06:51.form. Let's go to Guy Mowbray who is doing this game for Match Of The Day
:06:52. > :06:55.2 at the Etihad this afternoon. You have the side who are good at home
:06:56. > :07:01.at home, and the side who are better away, away. Yes, like so many games
:07:02. > :07:07.we have seen this season. Virtually impossible to call. Manchester City
:07:08. > :07:11.score goals for fun at home. I think there is a bit of doubt as to
:07:12. > :07:17.whether they can repeat the seven against Norwich and the five against
:07:18. > :07:22.CSKA Moscow. They are confident and Spurs, playing better football. Like
:07:23. > :07:25.so many games we have seen this season, virtually impossible to
:07:26. > :07:38.call. I have just seen Andre Villas-Boas, Felix in Tripoli he
:07:39. > :07:42.looks in chipper mood. Guy Mowbray is trying to keep his earpiece in,
:07:43. > :07:49.having problems hearing us, or doing his best David Coleman impression!
:07:50. > :07:52.Spurs have a problem scoring goals and all sorts of rumours that
:07:53. > :07:58.Emmanuel Adebayor might be in line to play, would you find that
:07:59. > :08:02.strange? It would come from left field. He has not been involved at
:08:03. > :08:06.all. When you think about all the games that Spurs have played in the
:08:07. > :08:09.Europa League as well come to suddenly come back in, I would find
:08:10. > :08:14.it odd, especially when they have Jermain Defoe sitting on the bench.
:08:15. > :08:18.I find it strange, the anomaly between league and cup. Spurs have
:08:19. > :08:23.scored nine in 11 in the Premier League, yet in cup games they have
:08:24. > :08:26.scored 23 in eight. I know the calibre of the opposition is
:08:27. > :08:31.different, but it is a huge difference. It is something Andre
:08:32. > :08:36.Villas-Boas has got to put right. The other question is, who will they
:08:37. > :08:40.be firing at in the Manchester City goal? There are rumours that Joe
:08:41. > :08:43.Hart will play but the understanding I have is that Manuel Pellegrini
:08:44. > :08:50.will stick with Costel Pantilimon for this one at least. We will let
:08:51. > :08:54.you prepare for the game. Whenever you are on, Peter, I always seem to
:08:55. > :09:00.ask you about Joe Hart. Would you start with him? I would come I would
:09:01. > :09:03.play him in every game. I am on record saying I am mystified he is
:09:04. > :09:08.even being questioned. Him playing for Manchester City and England. I
:09:09. > :09:13.think for the first time in many years, England have a goalkeeper
:09:14. > :09:20.that is of that quality committee can start -- you can start building
:09:21. > :09:24.a team around him. I am even mystified by some of the mistakes he
:09:25. > :09:29.has been accused of making. Here you have somebody who is very special,
:09:30. > :09:35.he came into the team very young, he proved himself and he has that kind
:09:36. > :09:43.of level. He performs at least to the way I see, at a high level every
:09:44. > :09:47.game. For what ever reason, Manchester City started to have
:09:48. > :09:51.problems at the back, Vincent Kompany is not playing, I think they
:09:52. > :09:54.are suffering from that, and they are conceding goals. The first thing
:09:55. > :09:58.that happens is you start blaming the goalkeeper and etiquette has
:09:59. > :10:05.been very unfair. He has made some very high-profile mistakes. I think
:10:06. > :10:09.he has, for club and country. I was on Match Of The Day when he conceded
:10:10. > :10:14.a goal from four yards and it dips a bit in front of him, and he is being
:10:15. > :10:24.blamed. I was at Chelsea Rigby went to me, he made the mistake, -- at
:10:25. > :10:29.Chelsea recently. Even when he was in the England team, he made some
:10:30. > :10:36.outstanding saves committee kept the scoreline down for England. However
:10:37. > :10:41.-- outstanding saves, he kept the scoreline down. You have to
:10:42. > :10:44.understand you are dealing with a young man, someone who has done well
:10:45. > :10:48.for a long time. All of a sudden, everything he does is being
:10:49. > :10:53.questioned. It is bound to make anyone nervous. So that period of
:10:54. > :10:56.time from when people start to question him, just have a look at
:10:57. > :11:01.what happened to Robert Greene in the World Cup. Yes, he made a
:11:02. > :11:06.mistake. Did he deserve the treatment he got? Did he deserve to
:11:07. > :11:12.get dropped? I thought he was the best goalkeeper running into the
:11:13. > :11:15.tournament. This is the same thing that is bound to happen to Joe Hart
:11:16. > :11:22.if the mood around him doesn't change, and then you have nobody in
:11:23. > :11:27.goal. I agree with you. It is unfair to say you have nobody but I feel
:11:28. > :11:36.that Joe Hart is special. He was worth protecting. It is worth giving
:11:37. > :11:42.him a bit of understanding. I think Roy Hodgson has done that. Manuel
:11:43. > :11:48.Pellegrini has not. As far as Spurs are concerned, we see them most
:11:49. > :11:52.Sundays on Match Of The Day 2, such is the nature of the fixture list.
:11:53. > :11:59.Several times this season we have emphasised how many chances they
:12:00. > :12:04.have created. Tim Krul two weeks ago made more saves in a game than any
:12:05. > :12:07.other keeper in the Premier League since the statistics started.
:12:08. > :12:15.Creating the chances is not a problem for Spurs. It is not, but
:12:16. > :12:19.scoring is, as has been pointed out. If you look down the table, not many
:12:20. > :12:26.teams score less than that. You have to go down to Palace and Sunderland.
:12:27. > :12:35.It is trite to say it but I think we do come back a bit to Gareth Bale.
:12:36. > :12:40.We quickly forget... Trevor asks, do you think Spurs are as good as last
:12:41. > :12:43.season? At the moment, not, because there are still trying to adapt to
:12:44. > :12:47.the new signings and they will have some time of adaptation. They are
:12:48. > :12:54.not doing too badly, they could go forth today. Gareth Bale, we forget
:12:55. > :12:57.how many times last season, matches that were heading for stalemate is,
:12:58. > :13:04.he scored late winners, fantastic winners out of nothing. There was a
:13:05. > :13:09.big debate when Spurs were going to spell him, should they try to hang
:13:10. > :13:13.on to him, is it a no-brainer that if Real Madrid for ?86 million, they
:13:14. > :13:18.have to sell? Probably they did have to sell in the end, but they are
:13:19. > :13:35.missing him. I think that is obvious. Big was played for Soldado
:13:36. > :13:41.but you actually want somebody like Defoe who will convert the chances.
:13:42. > :13:45.I don't think he is being given a good time by Villas-Boas, their
:13:46. > :13:50.respective nation he might be available. I think it is difficult
:13:51. > :13:56.to fit Defoe into the way he wants to play. With Defoe, you need to
:13:57. > :14:00.have space for him to run into and use his quickness. I don't think the
:14:01. > :14:06.way that Villas-Boas wants to play, he wants to create chances, I don't
:14:07. > :14:13.think it is developers strength. -- I don't think it is Defoe's
:14:14. > :14:17.strength. Given that Andre Villas-Boas likes to throw players
:14:18. > :14:27.in against former clubs, do you start Adebayor? I can see the
:14:28. > :14:33.benefits of it. I think it would be counterintuitive in many ways. I can
:14:34. > :14:44.see that for shock value, on a one-off basis, I can see the value.
:14:45. > :14:48.Is that a yes? Yes. Alan Green? No. I would play him. He would be very
:14:49. > :14:54.hungry. Against Newcastle, he would have created one or two. He can
:14:55. > :14:57.score goals. He might be out of favour on so many other points but I
:14:58. > :15:04.would play him as well. It would help the atmosphere. It would crank
:15:05. > :15:11.it up. There are pictures of Kevin Mirallas's challenge on Luis Suarez
:15:12. > :15:15.in all of the back pages. It is on the Telegraph, on the Times, on the
:15:16. > :15:24.back of the Sunday Mirror. We will talk about the Merseyside derby
:15:25. > :15:28.after reaction from yesterday. To get ahead of a scoreline and get so
:15:29. > :15:32.close for the final whistle is disappointing, not to get the
:15:33. > :15:38.reward. It is a difficult team to play at
:15:39. > :15:49.home. We are disappointed not to win the game. I can understand why
:15:50. > :15:57.Liverpool could ask for a red card. I do not think it was a red card
:15:58. > :16:03.incident. It was trying to win the ball. He closed his eyes, looked
:16:04. > :16:09.away and got the free kick awarded. In my eyes it was the right thing to
:16:10. > :16:16.do. I thought Kevin Mirallas was so lucky to be on the field. It was
:16:17. > :16:23.uproar challenge. -- a poor challenge. He is jumping in. Luis
:16:24. > :16:28.Suarez looks like he is going to get a touch on it. But the ball was
:16:29. > :16:35.nowhere near his knee and that is a reckless challenge.
:16:36. > :16:46.The challenge was a disgrace, he should have walked a? But Luis
:16:47. > :16:52.Suarez went unfinished -- unpolished last year. Brendan Rodgers saying
:16:53. > :16:57.that if it had been the other way round, he would have been off.
:16:58. > :17:02.Correct. It was absurd for Roberto Martinez to defend that challenge
:17:03. > :17:09.and suggest it was not a red card incident. I had the benefit of
:17:10. > :17:13.watching at home so I was able to see all the angles. I was pretty
:17:14. > :17:19.sure that the referee had a clear view of the incident. There was also
:17:20. > :17:29.a long delay while people came onto the pitch. And he was getting
:17:30. > :17:41.something in his ear, clearly. How did he not see that as a clear red
:17:42. > :17:49.card? It is absurd. What I wonder, why has he given a yellow card, what
:17:50. > :17:54.is the yellow card for? That is a blatant red card. We speak about the
:17:55. > :18:01.influence that a referee has on the game. He is off the pitch. He's not
:18:02. > :18:10.looking to assist. That could have changed the outcome of the game.
:18:11. > :18:14.Referees make mistakes. 99% of people accept that they are honest
:18:15. > :18:19.mistakes. But they are mistakes. So what do we do? For a long time I
:18:20. > :18:26.have believed that they need more help. But the game moves so slowly
:18:27. > :18:33.and there is so much opposition to video technology. I think they need
:18:34. > :18:38.more help. If he was to see that challenge again with the benefit of
:18:39. > :18:46.the replays, he would surely send off Kevin Mirallas. I am not going
:18:47. > :18:52.to hold my breath about this. But I think it is crazy. These kind of
:18:53. > :18:59.issues do shape matches. And shape careers. You're not supposed to take
:19:00. > :19:05.help from the fourth official, who cannot see a monitor. But in the
:19:06. > :19:20.World Cup final the referee did not see Synod in sedan doing the
:19:21. > :19:27.head-butt. -- Zidane. But he was told that it happened. Phil Dowd
:19:28. > :19:31.should have had instruction yesterday. If he really did not see
:19:32. > :19:35.that, he had plenty of time to make the correct decision which would
:19:36. > :19:41.have been to send off Kevin Mirallas. It is starting to happen
:19:42. > :19:49.by stealth. There are monitors by the dugout and the fourth official.
:19:50. > :19:55.The ridiculous thing is that we ought to be talking about what was a
:19:56. > :20:00.fantastic game of football that finished 3-all and had everything
:20:01. > :20:08.bar you could argue, some decent defending. I thought the defending
:20:09. > :20:22.was pretty crass! You got away with that! Talk about Johnson playing for
:20:23. > :20:39.England. I thought Lukaku was partly in full. -- in the wrong. Pienaar
:20:40. > :20:49.comes away from the wall. Howard must have seen that. I find this
:20:50. > :20:54.funny. Pienaar was on the outside, his job if he puts it that way
:20:55. > :20:59.around, is to try to stop it. But that is a quality free kick. Have a
:21:00. > :21:06.look at the wall again. You have those five guys in the wall. Pienaar
:21:07. > :21:13.to the left. He is there to stop it. But with Swarez, it is a quality
:21:14. > :21:18.kick. They are doing all they can. He finds that little gap. Sometimes
:21:19. > :21:29.you just have to hold up your hands and say, that was quality. He might
:21:30. > :21:34.have put it a bit more to the left. But you're always going to be
:21:35. > :21:39.angry! Sometimes there are free kicks you just cannot do anything
:21:40. > :21:46.about. Looking at the Sunday Mirror this morning, Wes Brown of Mac red
:21:47. > :22:01.card described as the worst decision ever. A quote, I think, from Gus
:22:02. > :22:07.Poyet. Let us hear from him now. Maybe I will put it into
:22:08. > :22:14.consideration and try to give something to the referee, some
:22:15. > :22:25.credit. I do not think there was any explanation, any sentence. Not in
:22:26. > :22:34.control of his body? No. Contact! No. The referee took four seconds.
:22:35. > :22:40.The fourth official does not talk. Please explain me. Difficult to
:22:41. > :22:49.accept. Can you find any explanation for that red card? I thought the
:22:50. > :22:56.failure to send off Kevin Mirallas was the worst decision of the day.
:22:57. > :23:01.The only sort of hint of an explanation I can find for the Wes
:23:02. > :23:07.Brown decision, I wonder if he was slightly out of control. A lot of
:23:08. > :23:15.people have pointed out that just getting the ball is not enough.
:23:16. > :23:21.Having said all that, I did not think it was a red card. I just
:23:22. > :23:31.thought it was an aggressive, good, solid tackle. Football has been
:23:32. > :23:37.built on this. When I came into the game those were the kind of tackles
:23:38. > :23:45.the people celebrated. But football has changed so much. Not this tackle
:23:46. > :23:53.in particular, but referees I think are so sensitive about tackles that
:23:54. > :23:59.are out of control. This one is an over reaction. I disagree that he
:24:00. > :24:05.was out of control. I thought it was a perfectly OK, well timed tackle.
:24:06. > :24:11.The guy goes down about six seconds later. The referee has no reaction
:24:12. > :24:17.whatsoever for four seconds. You look at a referee and you see his
:24:18. > :24:24.reaction, to blow the whistle, or whatever. No reaction. I do not know
:24:25. > :24:29.about the fourth official. I think this was unbelievable. I find it the
:24:30. > :24:36.worst decision, worse than the other one. I am just trying to find an
:24:37. > :24:41.explanation for what was going on in his head. All I can think of is the
:24:42. > :24:49.out of is the out-of-control explanation. Not saying he was out
:24:50. > :24:53.of control, but if they are going to look for a reason, they might come
:24:54. > :25:00.back with that. When he watches it back, in order to keep any kind of
:25:01. > :25:08.good reputation for the referees, he has to reverse that. Can I suggest
:25:09. > :25:15.that referees should not be untouchable. Make the decisions and
:25:16. > :25:18.then stand away from them. I would like to see those who are capable of
:25:19. > :25:26.standing in front of the camera, doing it. The other week at Stamford
:25:27. > :25:30.Bridge, there was a highly questionable penalty in favour of
:25:31. > :25:33.Chelsea. If he had come on afterwards and said from my angle, I
:25:34. > :25:39.thought there was sufficient contact, we can disagree with him.
:25:40. > :25:46.But I doubt if anyone would seriously argue against the referee.
:25:47. > :25:53.I agree, if you let them watch it back and then put them in front of
:25:54. > :25:59.the camera. There is also a bit of justice. If a referee makes such a
:26:00. > :26:04.bad decision that everyone else with see it was a sending off, they
:26:05. > :26:09.should get suspended. Phillips says ever red card against rescinded
:26:10. > :26:15.should a referee who gave it be banned? I think they need to be
:26:16. > :26:18.responsible for what they do. If they make a decision that has an
:26:19. > :26:26.impact on the game that was wrong, they should not be in the mix of it
:26:27. > :26:33.next week. That quite often happen. They are quite often demoted. That
:26:34. > :26:37.is even worse. The worst thing in Championship football games is when
:26:38. > :26:45.the Premiership referee comes down. Because he feels relegated. He
:26:46. > :26:52.should not even be on the pitch. I felt sorry for Mike Riley this week.
:26:53. > :27:00.He has run Steve Clarke and said, we got that wrong. That it was made
:27:01. > :27:03.public is inexcusable. If we just made it public generally, that
:27:04. > :27:07.referees stood up and were accountable after such a
:27:08. > :27:21.controversial incident, then I do feel... We allow them to be human. I
:27:22. > :27:25.am all for accountability. I agree, if we start making them bigger
:27:26. > :27:31.personalities then they become the story. We need to depersonalise the
:27:32. > :27:43.whole referee issue. We're not there to watch the referee. Mark Halsey
:27:44. > :27:49.was one of the commentary team. If something happened in the game, you
:27:50. > :27:52.could actually approach him. That kind of thing in the game is
:27:53. > :28:03.important. It does not inflame a situation. Well we have had a tweet
:28:04. > :28:10.to say, has Steve Clarke opened a can of worms by making a referee
:28:11. > :28:19.apology public. What has happened, what we have had is a referee's
:28:20. > :28:23.opinion made public. And then that has opened this can of worms. If
:28:24. > :28:27.referees are to be put in front of cameras that means more of their
:28:28. > :28:32.opinions are made public. You could say that would make it better but it
:28:33. > :28:41.could also make it worse. I think it could make it worse. It's just
:28:42. > :28:46.perpetuates this discussion. So I referee makes an explanation and
:28:47. > :28:51.then people disagree with the explanation, it becomes more about
:28:52. > :28:55.the referee. It might just make them think about what they do. For some
:28:56. > :29:04.referees, you feel that they have that kind of persona that this is
:29:05. > :29:09.about me. It is not about the game. A very prominent former referee
:29:10. > :29:13.agreed with me privately that video technology should be explored
:29:14. > :29:17.further, to help them make controversial decisions. They need
:29:18. > :29:24.help. They are not allowed to say that publicly. He said the majority
:29:25. > :29:30.of referees felt that way. Deal with it at the time, nip it in the bud.
:29:31. > :29:37.In my experience I do not think that referees in the NFL are superstars
:29:38. > :29:45.and topics of everyday conversation the way that referees are. I do not
:29:46. > :29:52.think you could do it in full all. But in the NFL, the whole stadium
:29:53. > :29:59.gets an explanation there and then. Phil Dowd yesterday, there was an
:30:00. > :30:04.incident in the second half when he played a fantastic advantage from
:30:05. > :30:16.which Everton nearly scored. Do you get out Phil Dowd to say, by the
:30:17. > :30:19.way, that was great. It is the same thing, rarely do you see goalkeepers
:30:20. > :30:26.on the back pages unless they have done something. They always pick on
:30:27. > :30:30.the things that did not go right. Not picking on Artur Boruc, but what
:30:31. > :30:39.do you make of what he did yesterday? Later on last night he
:30:40. > :30:43.posted a picture of Johan Cruyff, and a picture of himself trying to
:30:44. > :30:49.do whatever he was trying to do. A great sense of humour. I am not
:30:50. > :30:57.sure, the Southampton fans appreciated it. Do you wholly blame
:30:58. > :31:01.Artur Boruc? The way football is played today, managers want
:31:02. > :31:09.goalkeepers to pass the ball, the play has to be built from the back.
:31:10. > :31:14.Having a son playing as a goalkeeper in the Championship, I sometimes
:31:15. > :31:19.think, why did he kicked the ball, but this is the way we play, this is
:31:20. > :31:24.the way Denmark play, the way we played at Manchester United. The
:31:25. > :31:31.rules about the backpass rule, some people won't remember this, but we
:31:32. > :31:35.could actually picked the ball up and have it in our hands, we could
:31:36. > :31:42.only take three steps. It was changed while I was playing. I
:31:43. > :31:48.wasn't too bad with my feet. I would never attempt that. Lots of people
:31:49. > :31:55.have said, have you ever tried to do that? No, my first priority is to
:31:56. > :32:01.get it away from goal. If I didn't feel I could put it up the pitch, I
:32:02. > :32:06.would put it into the stand. If you had tried that, would Alex Ferguson
:32:07. > :32:13.have tried to put you into Row Z? Yes, for sure. That would not have
:32:14. > :32:16.been the worst. I would have to deal with Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister
:32:17. > :32:25.and Roy Keane and all of these guys. It is percentages. As a
:32:26. > :32:31.goalkeeper, your first priority is one thing. To try to prevent goals
:32:32. > :32:39.being scored. The second thing, can you keep the ball within the team?
:32:40. > :32:42.Of course you are right, it appears a growing number of managers want
:32:43. > :32:48.their goalkeepers to play like sweepers. Surely it is horses for
:32:49. > :32:59.courses. Pepe Reina was very good at that. The Chilean goalkeeper,
:33:00. > :33:01.fantastic at Wembley. Roy Hodgson praised the goalkeeper afterwards,
:33:02. > :33:09.it was like watching Glenn Hoddle in goal. However, not all goalkeepers
:33:10. > :33:13.can do that. I notice at Liverpool, Brendan Rodgers appears to think
:33:14. > :33:17.that Mignolet can play the way that Pepe Reina did, and he can't do it.
:33:18. > :33:21.He is just putting pressure on his goalkeeper, just clear the ball. If
:33:22. > :33:29.Artur Boruc thinks he is Johan Cruyff, he is not. It is a great
:33:30. > :33:33.sense of humour, to post that. I think in order to win any kind of
:33:34. > :33:40.competition at a high level, the Premier League, La Liga, you need 11
:33:41. > :33:43.footballers. You need to have that bit extra. You keep the ball,
:33:44. > :33:48.controlled the ball, control the game. Goalkeepers are needed in
:33:49. > :33:55.teams like Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, they need to
:33:56. > :34:02.beef up the players as well as goalkeepers -- the need to be
:34:03. > :34:05.football players. They will pass the ball back and they will keep the
:34:06. > :34:11.ball, rather than risking a pass into the corner or what ever we used
:34:12. > :34:16.to do. With Mignolet, it will pose a bit of a problem if he doesn't
:34:17. > :34:20.improve in that department. Because liveable's way of playing has been
:34:21. > :34:27.built up over years. -- Liverpool's way of playing. With a goalkeeper
:34:28. > :34:32.like Pepe Reina, they have got more and more used to it. I picked out a
:34:33. > :34:35.few Pepe Reina moments last season where the ball has been passed back
:34:36. > :34:41.in a situation when you would not have passed it back ten years ago.
:34:42. > :34:48.And then eventually he turns the game and suddenly Liverpool have a
:34:49. > :34:52.chance. Mignolet can't do that. No. Top clubs want the service from the
:34:53. > :35:02.back, from the goalkeepers. But not all can do it. We saw an example
:35:03. > :35:07.yesterday that did go wrong. And he is all over the back pages. We are
:35:08. > :35:13.going to talk West Ham and Fulham with Peter Schmeichel and Alan Green
:35:14. > :35:18.and Oliver Holt. But let's get the team news from the Etihad Stadium,
:35:19. > :35:22.Manchester City against Spurs. Costel Pantilimon continues in
:35:23. > :35:23.goal, Joe Hart is a substitute against a fifth consecutive City
:35:24. > :35:41.match. Nastasic returns in defence. What catches the eye with Spurs is
:35:42. > :35:51.that Andros Townsend is on the bench, as is Adebayor. Lennon and
:35:52. > :36:00.Lamela will play wide, Kabul is in central defence.
:36:01. > :36:12.Thank you, John will keep you up to date. And then for commentary of
:36:13. > :36:20.Cardiff and -- against Manchester United. What about continuing with
:36:21. > :36:25.Pantilimon? I have said this before, I disagree with it. Pellegrini is
:36:26. > :36:33.doing it to protect himself, the goalkeeper has been criticised by
:36:34. > :36:37.the media. In Spain, the first thing you have to do is protect yourself
:36:38. > :36:40.as a manager. That is his instinct but in this country it is completely
:36:41. > :36:48.different and I disagree with that decision. Someone should have
:36:49. > :36:55.shouted to Artur Boruc what my uncle used to say to me, which is, where
:36:56. > :37:04.is the car park... That is on a text. Michael asks, what is your
:37:05. > :37:09.view on Martin Jol's position at Craven Cottage? We will hear from
:37:10. > :37:14.the Fulham manager. The message is that even Swansea, a good team, they
:37:15. > :37:18.took the three points. I think we were very unfortunate to get nothing
:37:19. > :37:23.out of this game. If we would have won this game, we would have been
:37:24. > :37:29.above them, so it is very less. As the arrival of Renae giving you more
:37:30. > :37:33.time to turn this around? I don't know. If you are in the bottom five
:37:34. > :37:45.or six, you always get pressure. Any manager of any team. Rene
:37:46. > :37:52.Meulensteen has come in as head coach, does it help Martin Jol or
:37:53. > :37:57.does it undermine him, is it a matter of time before he replaces
:37:58. > :38:00.him? Your last interpretation is the one that I favour, that it is a
:38:01. > :38:07.matter of time until Rene Meulensteen replaces him. I feel a
:38:08. > :38:12.bit sorry for Martin Jol. If you look at the game yesterday, some of
:38:13. > :38:16.the chances that Darren Bent missed, we talk about fine margins in sport.
:38:17. > :38:24.There you have some examples. I suppose you come back to it, Martin
:38:25. > :38:29.Jol is picking Darren Bent. I think Phil are struggling, I think their
:38:30. > :38:43.fans, who watch them week in and week out feel their relegation
:38:44. > :38:53.fodder -- I think for -- Fulham are struggling. We have spent a lot of
:38:54. > :38:57.time talking about Fulham and Martin Jol, West Ham are 17th and we have
:38:58. > :39:05.not really touched on Sam Allardyce this season. Isn't that the next
:39:06. > :39:11.game, West Ham at home to Fulham? It is a game that I cannot see Fulham
:39:12. > :39:16.winning. It is a game that Tannadice will be desperate for West Ham to
:39:17. > :39:23.win. They are in the relegation zone -- a game that Sam Allardyce will be
:39:24. > :39:29.desperate. I laughed when I saw the formation come up for West Ham. 4-2
:39:30. > :39:44.-4. I thought, it is not that, it is actually 4-6. You can't think fit
:39:45. > :39:48.six across the television graphic! Sam Allardyce pointed the errors of
:39:49. > :39:51.his ways when he made's changes before half-time. Had he made them
:39:52. > :39:56.at half-time, as I used to applaud Jose Mourinho for doing similar, OK.
:39:57. > :40:04.I thought the laying of Collison and Joe Cole -- pulling off Collison and
:40:05. > :40:08.joke was a bit saying, I am charge in here. -- and Joe call. I thought
:40:09. > :40:18.it was wrong. If you get it wrong to the extent
:40:19. > :40:22.that you need to make two changes before half-time, you have to have a
:40:23. > :40:26.serious look at yourself. The manager brings the players in, if he
:40:27. > :40:32.hasn't got strikers it is his responsibility. Of course you can
:40:33. > :40:36.have four strikers and four strikers are injured, that is not the case
:40:37. > :40:46.here. You know that strikers go through periods where they don't
:40:47. > :40:54.score. West Ham have not scored in a lot of games. They have nine goals
:40:55. > :41:01.in 12 games. We need to fit in Cardiff against Manchester United.
:41:02. > :41:08.Commentary is on 5 live from 4:00pm. The first time they have met since
:41:09. > :41:12.March 1975. You don't really want to be playing a team in a good run of
:41:13. > :41:17.form but it eventually has to come to an end. That is what you look at.
:41:18. > :41:22.The same question could be asked of me, we have not won in four, is it a
:41:23. > :41:26.great time to play against them? We have a top team coming here, we know
:41:27. > :41:29.the tough task but we also relishing it and realising they are coming to
:41:30. > :41:34.our stadium, and we have been competitive in this league. I think
:41:35. > :41:40.he has done a great job, not to in the season but in the past that
:41:41. > :41:45.Clancy has been at. He has done a brilliant job at Cardiff -- in the
:41:46. > :41:51.past at clubs he has been at. They should be thankful they have got
:41:52. > :41:59.him. We have come up against Spurs, Manchester City, Chelsea, it is the
:42:00. > :42:02.legal -- league we are in and it is something I relish. I want to test
:42:03. > :42:07.myself against the best and that is what we're doing the moment.
:42:08. > :42:10.Everybody knew it was going to be like this at the start, a change of
:42:11. > :42:16.manager, it was always going to have problems no matter what. Winning
:42:17. > :42:20.games or different personnel in the team. Overall the players have been
:42:21. > :42:23.great, they have showed what they can do. Manchester United have
:42:24. > :42:27.proved over the years they get better as things go on. They have
:42:28. > :42:31.been pretty slow starters. My history at Everton was a slow
:42:32. > :42:37.starter as well. Hopefully we begin to find our feet, getting a bit of
:42:38. > :42:39.rhythm and will continue to improve. How big a test is this for
:42:40. > :42:48.Manchester United without Michael Carrick? He is a big absentee. You
:42:49. > :42:50.couple that with the fact that Fellaini hasn't remotely justified
:42:51. > :42:54.the few that was paid for them, it is not his fault that money was
:42:55. > :43:04.paid... United are slowly turning the corner. I am still not convinced
:43:05. > :43:08.about their title contention -- credentials this season but they are
:43:09. > :43:12.getting better. I am a big fan of David Moyes and I want to see him do
:43:13. > :43:16.well. He merits having a job of that stature and it will come right for
:43:17. > :43:22.him. It may be to slow this season for them to claim the title again.
:43:23. > :43:26.They will win today. A win for United would take them for. A win
:43:27. > :43:31.for Cardiff would take them into mid-table. Yes, I went to Cardiff
:43:32. > :43:37.when they beat Manchester City earlier in the season. They are a
:43:38. > :43:41.side, there is a good atmosphere there, a side capable of raising it
:43:42. > :43:47.for the big occasions, as they did when Swansea played there. It will
:43:48. > :43:54.be pulsating this afternoon. You can listen to it on BBC 5 live, a 4:00pm
:43:55. > :44:00.kick off. You can watch that game and Manchester City against Spurs on
:44:01. > :44:04.Match Of The Day 2 tonight, 10:25pm on BBC One. Thank you for joining me
:44:05. > :44:06.and we will see you next week. Have a good afternoon.