:00:32. > :00:43.BBC Two. Good afternoon and welcome to MOTD two Extra. We have our
:00:44. > :00:50.guests with us today. As always we need you to get in touch. You can
:00:51. > :00:55.text us and use our hashed out. Here's what's coming up on the
:00:56. > :01:02.programme. Jose Mourinho drops Rooney as Manchester United score
:01:03. > :01:06.four. Arsenal win against Chelsea. Liverpool produce a 5-star
:01:07. > :01:12.performance to sweep aside Hull City and West Ham will look for an upturn
:01:13. > :01:17.in fortunes in their match against Southampton today. Here is what is
:01:18. > :01:20.making the back pages today. The Mail on Sunday asks is this the end
:01:21. > :01:25.for Rooney? This is something we will talk about. The Sunday
:01:26. > :01:31.Telegraph, Arsenal are gifting their manager happy anniversary, it was
:01:32. > :01:37.his biggest victory over The Blues. And Stoke are eyeing up Steve Bruce
:01:38. > :01:42.as a possible replacement. We will start at Old Trafford where the big
:01:43. > :01:47.team News centred around Wayne Rooney. Jose Mourinho saw his side
:01:48. > :01:52.put for past Leicester, the second time in two years he United have
:01:53. > :02:00.scored four goals in a league game. And perfect to have an Einstein
:02:01. > :02:06.alongside us, Oliver Holt. What did Manchester United look like without
:02:07. > :02:13.Wayne Rooney? And did they do what the fans have been asking for? If I
:02:14. > :02:16.am an Einstein, there are hundreds and thousands of Einstein 's out
:02:17. > :02:20.there because I think a lot of people have been saying for much of
:02:21. > :02:25.this season that they are concerned about Wayne Rooney's form and his
:02:26. > :02:30.place in the team. I am a huge fan of his. And always will be. I think
:02:31. > :02:35.he is a fantastic player, but I think yesterday wasn't a great day
:02:36. > :02:38.for him. He was dropped and Manchester United played extremely
:02:39. > :02:44.well, and they looked more fluid, they looked... There was more pace
:02:45. > :02:54.in the side, it looked more comfortable going forward. Pogba and
:02:55. > :03:00.Herrera looked good. It isn't all because Rooney wasn't playing but
:03:01. > :03:04.the balance of the team looked good. So, sometimes, as the boys will
:03:05. > :03:10.know, sometimes there are good days to be left out of a side but
:03:11. > :03:14.yesterday wasn't a good day. What is that like? When you are dropped, how
:03:15. > :03:19.do you react to it? You've had it as a player and from the manager's
:03:20. > :03:23.point of view, having that conversation, and how you thought
:03:24. > :03:27.Rooney reacted to that? He would have called him in, so you have to
:03:28. > :03:31.be careful what you say because it is Wayne Rooney. Players do have big
:03:32. > :03:35.egos and they don't like being left out. He would have wanted to play
:03:36. > :03:41.yesterday said he would have said I'm changing the shape of the team,
:03:42. > :03:44.I'm playing one sitting midfield player, a bit of pace out wide, so
:03:45. > :03:50.I'm going to leave you out but, don't worry. It is just for the game
:03:51. > :03:57.today. Wayne Rooney would've said to him probably back, why can't I play
:03:58. > :04:01.in one of those positions? And he would have tried to explain it to
:04:02. > :04:05.him the best he can and then you've got to try to keep Wayne Rooney
:04:06. > :04:11.onside somehow which is difficult if he isn't playing. And we talk about
:04:12. > :04:17.United fans, they are saying, we dropped Wayne Rooney, we won 4-1.
:04:18. > :04:21.They played that formation in Rotterdam where Rooney didn't even
:04:22. > :04:27.travel, and they played Pogba and Herrera, giving the freedom to Mata
:04:28. > :04:31.and they were dreadful that night. Sometimes there was a good day to be
:04:32. > :04:36.left out and sometimes it isn't. That is spot on with that analogy
:04:37. > :04:41.because you look at Wayne Rooney, he would be extremely hurt, and he
:04:42. > :04:47.won't like it. No player likes it. He has had very few times through
:04:48. > :04:51.his career. The point with United yesterday, they had a point to prove
:04:52. > :04:54.to themselves as a squad of players, they had a point to prove to the
:04:55. > :04:57.supporters because they've been questioned all week. They are
:04:58. > :05:01.reading the newspapers, watching TV, they're seeing the reports about the
:05:02. > :05:05.squad, the demise of the squad, and they've got a point to prove.
:05:06. > :05:09.Yesterday was about a response from the team and the way they started
:05:10. > :05:15.the match, they started it in the right manner as they went right at
:05:16. > :05:18.Leicester. You almost saw a side... A United team looking like they were
:05:19. > :05:22.capable of scoring two or three goals in a game and we haven't seen
:05:23. > :05:26.that so often over the last two or three years. We haven't seen a lot
:05:27. > :05:31.of them where they've blown the team away, and they did it. And it is
:05:32. > :05:34.interesting how people reacted, going forward, especially Wayne
:05:35. > :05:38.Rooney and the players around him. Some players might think, hold on,
:05:39. > :05:44.maybe it is better to have him on the bench for the first hour. Look
:05:45. > :05:49.what we've done. In the media in particular we are very good at
:05:50. > :05:55.jumping to big conclusions of one event. I think long-term for Rooney,
:05:56. > :06:03.it does not particularly great at United because I think that one of
:06:04. > :06:09.the things that is clear is that Ibrahimovic is the focus of the
:06:10. > :06:15.attack, people fit around him. For a season. For at least a season, who
:06:16. > :06:17.knows. Jose Mourinho said that Rooney wasn't playing because he
:06:18. > :06:22.needed quick players around Ibrahimovic. Yesterday was a
:06:23. > :06:28.difficult game, he said, which they had to win because they'd had three
:06:29. > :06:36.defeats before that. He's saying in the biggest game, Rooney isn't my
:06:37. > :06:40.man, he isn't in my first 11. And as we all know, injuries occur, who
:06:41. > :06:45.knows what's going to happen, Ibrahimovic might get injured,
:06:46. > :06:48.Rashford might get injured, but I don't think Rooney is in his
:06:49. > :06:52.starting XI. A lot of fans would agree with that at the moment. Do
:06:53. > :06:56.you think is just discovered that or was he thinking that at the
:06:57. > :07:03.beginning and this is part of the tactics to prove it to everyone? I
:07:04. > :07:06.think that is a slight sense yesterday of Mourinho reasserting
:07:07. > :07:09.himself as a manager and people might laugh at that, and say he's
:07:10. > :07:19.never exactly been a shrinking violet. We have compared a lot this
:07:20. > :07:22.season, a lot of focus on managers. Jurgen Klopp and Guardiola made a
:07:23. > :07:28.huge impression on everybody with some of the decisions they've made.
:07:29. > :07:32.There's been a sly sense that Mourinho has been compromising.
:07:33. > :07:38.Yesterday, it felt like he stamped his authority. Does it not still
:07:39. > :07:41.paper over a bit of a crack or Grand Canyon? You mentioned Jurgen Klopp
:07:42. > :07:44.and Guardiola, what is happening with those guys and what Mourinho is
:07:45. > :07:49.still trying to do, which some say is still out of date. Mourinho's
:07:50. > :08:01.form and it is the one he's used all career, is the one he had at
:08:02. > :08:06.Chelsea. You think back MOTD two Extra -- Makalele forward, and then
:08:07. > :08:09.others flitting around him. Jose Mourinho, he has a form which gets
:08:10. > :08:13.him success year after year and he goes back to it when he needed. He
:08:14. > :08:18.went back to it yesterday but Leicester helped him. Don't read
:08:19. > :08:22.into the football too much because Leicester have descended three set
:08:23. > :08:27.play is terrible. Quickly on Leicester, worries creeping in for
:08:28. > :08:32.them. They said they might finish in the bottom ten and people laugh...
:08:33. > :08:38.You can't rule it out with them. If they get a top ten finish, it'll be
:08:39. > :08:41.a relative success. As bad as it sounds considering their champions,
:08:42. > :08:44.yesterday we saw their vulnerabilities. Let's talk about
:08:45. > :08:50.Arsenal because Arsenal handed Arsene Wenger and early 20th
:08:51. > :08:55.anniversary present by sweeping aside Chelsea in that North London
:08:56. > :08:58.derby. Let's hear from him. An outstanding team performance.
:08:59. > :09:06.We played with team spirit, collective pace, and always in a
:09:07. > :09:11.positive way, in a committed way, in a team way. And especially with our
:09:12. > :09:15.first half, it was absolutely outstanding. It is the key word
:09:16. > :09:21.there from Arsene Wenger, committed. Yes, I think we saw yesterday from
:09:22. > :09:27.Arsenal we saw a team the likes of Jurgen Klopp and Guardiola, the real
:09:28. > :09:30.pressure without the ball, they were winning the ball is back, and that
:09:31. > :09:35.is what we saw from them and we haven't seen that enough from them
:09:36. > :09:41.consistently. You couldn't fault their display. Up front, Alexis
:09:42. > :09:45.Sanchez, I think he has struggled in the middle but yesterday he was
:09:46. > :09:52.outstanding. He was brilliant in the middle, and Walcott out wide, and we
:09:53. > :09:55.are seeing him looking like, wow. Where has this player been? We
:09:56. > :10:00.haven't seen them consistently enough but now he's creating and
:10:01. > :10:04.scoring goals, he looks a revelation playing that side. We talked about a
:10:05. > :10:09.Mourinho style of football out of date but what about the old striker,
:10:10. > :10:13.the old number nine? You are out of date. For a player like Sanchez,
:10:14. > :10:18.it's difficult. You have to accept you are not in the build-up. You
:10:19. > :10:22.have to be in the six yard line. With all these moves they played
:10:23. > :10:26.yesterday, popping the wide touch, if you're not in the six yard box
:10:27. > :10:29.when you should be, they will leave you out but the problem is you can't
:10:30. > :10:33.be involved in the build-up on the halfway line because if you get
:10:34. > :10:35.involved too much and the ball eventually gets inside their
:10:36. > :10:40.full-back, where is your centre forward? He was dropping far too
:10:41. > :10:47.deep, getting himself into the build-up. Wayne Rooney also does
:10:48. > :10:51.that. Ian Rush was quite happy just to linger on the last man and not be
:10:52. > :10:56.involved and scored two, walk off, happy today. Players like Sanchez,
:10:57. > :11:01.he finds it difficult to stay out of the build-up. That seems to be the
:11:02. > :11:07.future now, you don't need a recognised striker on the pitch. I
:11:08. > :11:13.can't see that being... Catch on long-term. Someone who's going to
:11:14. > :11:17.finish off moves, sometimes they might not be involved but I can't
:11:18. > :11:24.see that. It isn't a modern thinking... It isn't a modern way of
:11:25. > :11:31.thinking. It won't happen long-term. It won't take. It does seem a better
:11:32. > :11:38.fit Arsenal. It feels something clicked there. It wasn't quite
:11:39. > :11:43.happening... Joe Root is a fine player. There will be when he will
:11:44. > :11:48.be used, but they weren't getting it done. They weren't going to mount a
:11:49. > :11:52.credible title challenge with Giroud as their centre forward. Let me
:11:53. > :11:57.throw this one as well. 47 goals, Sanchez has scored, in 100 games.
:11:58. > :12:01.Some of them playing on the left, some of on the right, some of them
:12:02. > :12:09.in the central position. Thierry Henry scored 48 goals 100 games.
:12:10. > :12:17.Arsenal are brilliant with the ball. They're as good as they were ever.
:12:18. > :12:22.But without the ball they are not as good as Manchester City. Teams that
:12:23. > :12:28.win the league are very good without the ball. Until Arsenal get the ball
:12:29. > :12:32.back better they are not a machine. You can beat them. And that is why
:12:33. > :12:37.they have dodgy results now and again. Look at Arsenal's second
:12:38. > :12:46.goal, it is a thing of wonder. And Walcott finished it off. I can't
:12:47. > :12:51.even believe I'm being asked to ask the title question it's so boring.
:12:52. > :12:55.When they play like that, it is beautiful to watch. Let's ask it
:12:56. > :13:00.like this. Sanchez through the middle playing like that and using
:13:01. > :13:07.Giroud as back-up on the bench, are they more title winners with him in
:13:08. > :13:12.that position than with Giroud? I think so. We knew they weren't going
:13:13. > :13:17.to be title winners with Giroud. It isn't all Giroud's called. It isn't
:13:18. > :13:23.necessary about Giroud, it is about other things defensively and their
:13:24. > :13:27.work without the ball. But I think Giroud missed too many chances, they
:13:28. > :13:31.were too predictable with Giroud. I think Sanchez is a top quality
:13:32. > :13:35.player and if they can get the best out of him as a centre forward, it
:13:36. > :13:39.looks as though they've brought other players in, gave other players
:13:40. > :13:43.confidence... They've got the players, going forward. Before we
:13:44. > :13:49.move on to Chelsea, explain to an idiot like me what the main
:13:50. > :13:56.differences between what Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp are doing and what
:13:57. > :14:00.Arsene Wenger is doing. Jurgen Klopp will say in training sessions, when
:14:01. > :14:04.we lose the ball, you've got five seconds to get it back. The nearest
:14:05. > :14:10.man gets to the ball and back him up, the rest of him. If they win the
:14:11. > :14:14.ball back in the position's half, their back for my car out of shape,
:14:15. > :14:18.so they are attacking against two defenders, and they are good at it.
:14:19. > :14:23.One player can mess that up for you. A la telly will mess that up for
:14:24. > :14:35.you. Brendan Rodgers try to do that with banner telly. Jurgen Klopp will
:14:36. > :14:39.put a team together with energy and they'll get the ball back as soon as
:14:40. > :14:49.they lose it. Liverpool, we will talk about them later. Let's hear
:14:50. > :14:53.from. Not a very happy Italian. We must reflect a lot after this
:14:54. > :15:04.performance because I think that from the first minute we have had a
:15:05. > :15:15.bad attitude. And, yes, I think that... It's important to understand
:15:16. > :15:22.that we must work a lot to improve. Because now I think we are a good
:15:23. > :15:25.team on paper, not on the pitch. We must show we are a good team on the
:15:26. > :15:35.pitch. A pretty extraordinary interview,
:15:36. > :15:40.very honest. Steve Wilson ask the question and he looked like he was
:15:41. > :15:45.about to cry! He talks about the attitude, players being great on
:15:46. > :15:52.paper and not performing. Does he need a new sheet of paper or pad? Is
:15:53. > :15:57.either man to bring the attitude out of those guys? I think he is. Maybe
:15:58. > :16:02.not out of those guys, but he needs some guys he can get that attitude
:16:03. > :16:07.from. I saw them when they were outclassed by Liverpool recently and
:16:08. > :16:12.he said similar things afterwards. I thought he was impressive after the
:16:13. > :16:18.Liverpool game. He said, this is a team that finished tenth last
:16:19. > :16:24.season. There are problems here. Those problems would just disappear.
:16:25. > :16:29.There are issues in that side. You can see there are still issues in
:16:30. > :16:36.that side. One of the big issues is that when John Terry, who is 35,
:16:37. > :16:42.isn't in the team, they fall apart. That's pretty dispiriting issue
:16:43. > :16:47.Chelsea. We talk about Antonio Conte and Italian defending, what he built
:16:48. > :16:55.at Juventus, solid bricks stuck in with cement. He has a 35-year old
:16:56. > :17:01.who can be fit for so many games. David Luiz or not? It's not a solid
:17:02. > :17:07.back four. He doesn't look a con tape player, he doesn't look the
:17:08. > :17:12.right fit. Cahill has been caught out a few times. Aside from his
:17:13. > :17:18.mistake yesterday, he was poor. Ivanovic looks poor, he's looking
:17:19. > :17:27.his age. Kante looked leggy. The first time I've ever seen him
:17:28. > :17:33.jogging back. It was Alexis... Mesut Ozil's goal yesterday, Ivanovic Gog
:17:34. > :17:38.-- jogging back into position. He can do it, Ivanovic. He was chasing
:17:39. > :17:43.Alex Iwobi and he was too quick for him, he can do it, but he stopped,
:17:44. > :17:47.it's a mentality thing. The reason the manager can't speak is because
:17:48. > :17:52.that team he set up at Juventus, nobody cares his teams apart like
:17:53. > :17:58.that. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to a back three. Which he did
:17:59. > :18:03.at Juventus. With David Luiz in the back three. He's not a very good
:18:04. > :18:10.defender. That would be better for him in a three? No, you either see
:18:11. > :18:15.danger or you don't. You could play him in midfield as well. If you
:18:16. > :18:20.don't see danger as a defender, you don't see danger. If you put him in
:18:21. > :18:27.midfield, you won't see danger. Gord McAleny could see danger. He reacts
:18:28. > :18:32.after it happens. That would be a huge worry as a Chelsea fan or
:18:33. > :18:37.anyone associated with the club. John Terry, fantastic organisation
:18:38. > :18:42.when he's in the team. Kurt Zouma, we still don't really know what kind
:18:43. > :18:46.of player he'll be and he's had an horrific injury. Cahill was unlucky
:18:47. > :18:52.for the Swansea mistake, potentially a foul, but yesterday was completely
:18:53. > :18:58.his fault. Defensively, that is what con tape is all about? It's a huge
:18:59. > :19:05.worry. Can pay has been brought in to try and sure some of that up and
:19:06. > :19:09.be a shield. It doesn't seem to be working for him at the moment.
:19:10. > :19:17.Leicester are missing him very badly. He doesn't seem to be filling
:19:18. > :19:22.the space at Chelsea he's been brought to fill. I think there are
:19:23. > :19:26.huge worries for Chelsea. I also think the way Arsenal played
:19:27. > :19:31.yesterday, one last thing about United, back to this theme... The
:19:32. > :19:35.way Arsenal played yesterday, the way we've seen Man City play,
:19:36. > :19:40.sometimes when you look at United, even when United played well
:19:41. > :19:43.yesterday, there's something slightly old-fashioned. It's
:19:44. > :19:49.interesting how the zeitgeist has passed Mourinho by a little bit. We
:19:50. > :19:54.now watch Guardiola and Klopp. Lee on Facebook says Chelsea need a
:19:55. > :20:04.massive clear out. It's a poisonous dressing room. Once Conte gets his
:20:05. > :20:08.players in, we can move on. Another comet, saying Arsenal destroyed
:20:09. > :20:13.Chelsea yesterday. They are unstoppable when they play like
:20:14. > :20:18.that. Very quickly, Kevin, are Chelsea, have they even improved on
:20:19. > :20:22.the catastrophe of last season? Judging from yesterday, probably
:20:23. > :20:28.not. Defensively they had problems last year considering how well they
:20:29. > :20:34.had won the league last year. -- the season before. Last year they were
:20:35. > :20:38.so poor defensively. If they improve defensively, they can score goals.
:20:39. > :20:45.Cost played well yesterday, but the defence is the worry. You can get in
:20:46. > :20:50.touch with us. Let's talk about Liverpool. They turned on the style
:20:51. > :20:56.yesterday for Jurgen Klopp. Adam Lallana scored one and set up two.
:20:57. > :21:02.Adam is a good footballer, really good footballer. Something like a
:21:03. > :21:09.finisher. First of all, a pressing player. I have a lot of this kind of
:21:10. > :21:14.pressing player because he loves to do it. He doesn't do it because I
:21:15. > :21:21.say to do it, he does it because he loves it. He keeps all the boys with
:21:22. > :21:31.him. If he's running, we have to follow him. That's good. Hopefully
:21:32. > :21:36.we can do this more often. Adam Lallana, who Klopp was praising, is
:21:37. > :21:40.he a microcosm of what Klopp has achieved in such a short space of
:21:41. > :21:44.time with a bunch of players who, take away the near miss of the title
:21:45. > :21:50.under Brendan Rodgers, weren't really going in that direction? I
:21:51. > :21:54.think years. What Klopp is saying, you can see that when you watch
:21:55. > :21:59.Liverpool, you can see Lallana leading the high press. He's the one
:22:00. > :22:01.with the energy. It's great to see with Lallana because he is a good
:22:02. > :22:16.footballer, he's a wee 's been a good footballer, but there
:22:17. > :22:19.was a period where he seemed to be standing still a little bit. -- he's
:22:20. > :22:22.always been. With Klopp, he's kicked on and become one of the leaders of
:22:23. > :22:24.the side. You can see the energy flowing through the team. Coutinho
:22:25. > :22:29.can produce some moments like he produced yesterday. Things are
:22:30. > :22:33.looking very good. Dan says I think Liverpool's attack is the strongest
:22:34. > :22:37.in the league with maybe the exception of Manchester City. The
:22:38. > :22:42.only difference is defence. As a Liverpool fan, I'd be happy with top
:22:43. > :22:47.four. David says I think Liverpool will be done in January, you can't
:22:48. > :22:52.play constant pressing in the Premier League. He says I think
:22:53. > :22:55.Klopp is building something very special as Liverpool, the most
:22:56. > :23:01.likeable manager in the Premier League. Here's a question for you.
:23:02. > :23:07.If Klopp and Guardiola had exactly the same team of players, identical
:23:08. > :23:13.players, same team, same stadium, same everything, who would finish
:23:14. > :23:22.higher? I don't know. Dortmund, he had the lesser players. Perhaps here
:23:23. > :23:26.with City... There could be an argument for Klopp. Hypothetical
:23:27. > :23:32.question. I take your point. You can't help but admire Jurgen Klopp,
:23:33. > :23:38.the way he goes about it. Can Liverpool sustain a title challenge
:23:39. > :23:42.with how open they are defensively? I think Klopp almost accepts they
:23:43. > :23:48.will concede goals. The intensity as well. They've got good players, he
:23:49. > :23:54.gets them to work hard and get the ball back high up the pitch. If you
:23:55. > :23:58.break Liverpool's press, you can get at the back four. Teams get at the
:23:59. > :24:08.back four and sometimes they concede. If a team goes at them and
:24:09. > :24:13.tries to score and the back four don't concede the chance, they've
:24:14. > :24:18.got six players high up the pitch who are pressing. When they win it
:24:19. > :24:25.back, that's why all these players are scoring goals. I've talked to
:24:26. > :24:32.you about this, Kevin. Is it not going back to the Kevin Kear --
:24:33. > :24:39.Kevin Keegan Iraq? You can score three, but we'll score four fight.
:24:40. > :24:44.-- era. There is a science. Dean is talking about the press. They access
:24:45. > :24:47.they will give the ball away. Turnovers happen regularly. You
:24:48. > :24:52.watch the Tottenham draw a few weeks ago and so many balls given away in
:24:53. > :24:57.midfield. That's when you come to life, when you give the ball away.
:24:58. > :25:01.He talks about Adam Lallana, he's playing deeper and looks better, as
:25:02. > :25:07.soon is he gives the ball the way or the team does, he's the first to
:25:08. > :25:11.react. The midfield is behind him, Milner and Henderson. Milner looks
:25:12. > :25:15.great at left back. You look at the players, what they do and how they
:25:16. > :25:20.do it, there's more of a science than just saying we will outscore
:25:21. > :25:26.you. When you get to Bayern Munich and rail Madrid, the manager has to
:25:27. > :25:32.say, hang on, we can't press these. -- Real Madrid. When you press, good
:25:33. > :25:37.players get out of it. Against the top teams, you need a bit of both. A
:25:38. > :25:42.positive thing for Liverpool is we talk about Spurs being a young team,
:25:43. > :25:47.we'll talk more about them later, but this is a really young Liverpool
:25:48. > :25:55.team who will only improve if Klopp sticks around. Yeah, absolutely.
:25:56. > :25:59.It's a team that will grow. You say if Klopp sticks around, clearly
:26:00. > :26:05.that's key, but he seems to be the kind of guy who is in there for the
:26:06. > :26:08.long term. He's interested in building something. That is one of
:26:09. > :26:16.the things that's so encouraging for Liverpool. On Hull, has that
:26:17. > :26:20.contract been screwed up for Mike Phelan after that? Not necessarily.
:26:21. > :26:24.He is working under difficult conditions. Liverpool can do that
:26:25. > :26:29.any side. Put that game aside and move forward, I'd like to see him
:26:30. > :26:34.given the contract. Manchester City maintained their 100% start to the
:26:35. > :26:38.season under Pep Guardiola with the 3-1 win against Swansea. Let's hear
:26:39. > :26:47.from the Swansea boss, Francesco Guidolin. Yes, but disappointed
:26:48. > :26:55.because I watched the television. This is not important. The most
:26:56. > :27:02.important thing is my team have played a good game. If in the future
:27:03. > :27:08.we play in this way, the future is good for us, it's in our hands. You
:27:09. > :27:12.caused them problems. Just before Llorente's goal, the keeper saves.
:27:13. > :27:22.You caused them many problems. I know. Today we played the best game
:27:23. > :27:28.in our season. I am confident for the future. That's Francesco
:27:29. > :27:32.Guidolin. Dean Saunders, a Swansea boy, your old team, Swansea fans
:27:33. > :27:38.will be listening to your every word. Talking about the future, is
:27:39. > :27:42.it optimistic? Will there be a future for him? They played well,
:27:43. > :27:47.they looked like they were playing for him yesterday. Before the game I
:27:48. > :27:51.looked at the fixtures coming up, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool,
:27:52. > :27:59.Watford, who are hard to beat at the minute, not been playing that well,
:28:00. > :28:04.lost Bony, not replaced him. Every Swansea fan will be worried.
:28:05. > :28:10.Unfortunately, when things are not going well, Aguero is fit! He was
:28:11. > :28:15.brilliant yesterday. They actually played OK, they had a chance to make
:28:16. > :28:21.it 2-1 and missed. Eventually class told. Ashley Williams missing from
:28:22. > :28:26.the back four, the two centre backs are all over the place every week.
:28:27. > :28:32.If you watch the goal, the two centre backs are normally at fault.
:28:33. > :28:38.Would changing it now. The B of interest? They've talked about Ryan
:28:39. > :28:42.Giggs. That performance yesterday, do they need to change things
:28:43. > :28:47.drastically? You're talking about players, there's nothing you can do
:28:48. > :28:50.about that between now and January, but the manager? Unless Man City
:28:51. > :28:58.were terrible yesterday, they would win. To talk about Ryan Giggs taking
:28:59. > :29:02.the job while the man is in the job at the minute is disrespectful. From
:29:03. > :29:08.everybody. It happens, it's football. Ryan Giggs has had to come
:29:09. > :29:13.out and say I've not had any contact with the club and I've not been
:29:14. > :29:17.approached. I want to be a manager, but I'm not prepared to say anything
:29:18. > :29:22.about a job when a manager is still in the job. If they sacked him,
:29:23. > :29:28.approach Ryan Giggs. I'm sure you had to Wikipedia Guidolin. It would
:29:29. > :29:33.all ways be a risk giving him the job losses in. He kept them up,
:29:34. > :29:37.there was a good feeling, Brendan Rodgers was linked with the job but
:29:38. > :29:41.didn't come back. Would Ryan Giggs be an even bigger risk at this
:29:42. > :29:48.stage? In some ways he would because he's untested, untested as a
:29:49. > :29:55.manager. The experience he's had under Sir Alex Ferguson and working
:29:56. > :30:02.with van Gaal come he's learned pretty well. Everything I hear about
:30:03. > :30:06.him, Dean would know better than me, but everything I hear about Giggs in
:30:07. > :30:11.terms of personality suggests he will be a good manager. He's got the
:30:12. > :30:17.coldness and the distance that managers need in the dressing room.
:30:18. > :30:22.When I played with him, he spoke up. Tim Sherwood spoke up at Aston
:30:23. > :30:26.Villa... Watch what you wish for. If Tim Sherwood was still manager, they
:30:27. > :30:30.might not be in the mess they are in. You think somebody like Giggs
:30:31. > :30:35.would come in and there would be instant impact? They're still a long
:30:36. > :30:40.way in the season to go. Six games in. Give the man a chance. The only
:30:41. > :30:44.thing that worried me a bit was I had Neil Taylor playing for me at
:30:45. > :30:49.Wrexham who was the under ten plume at coach as well. He's a nice lad.
:30:50. > :30:54.He's arguing with him on the bench when he brought him. I thought all
:30:55. > :30:59.was not well in the cab. If he is arguing, something wrong.
:31:00. > :31:07.Let's talk about Tottenham. I was at the Riverside yesterday to see them
:31:08. > :31:13.win 2-1 at Middlesbrough. It is their best start to a season in 51
:31:14. > :31:20.years. Can they sustain that title challenge? I could ask you, being at
:31:21. > :31:24.the game! I saw them against Everton first game of the season and I
:31:25. > :31:28.thought they were quite sluggish. A little bit slow off the mark.
:31:29. > :31:32.Considering the intensity they're showing, it is taking them a few
:31:33. > :31:35.weeks to get them going. I felt with the players they have, I thought
:31:36. > :31:41.they were going to kick on from last season, not to win the league, maybe
:31:42. > :31:50.but maybe top four this year. It is just about can they get and keep
:31:51. > :31:53.Harry Kane fit, can the gets Janssen scoring goals because he hasn't
:31:54. > :31:57.looked the sort of player to replace Harry Kane. That might be their
:31:58. > :32:00.issue. The two goals they scored yesterday, what a goal and when you
:32:01. > :32:07.have players like that that can change games like that, they've got
:32:08. > :32:13.a chance. They were great goals from Son but handed on a silver platter,
:32:14. > :32:19.huge defensive questions if you're a Middlesbrough fan. On top and, sorry
:32:20. > :32:24.to go back to this, and Dean, maybe you can enlighten us, talking about
:32:25. > :32:28.the Jurgen Klopp and Guardiola style of football, and Arsene Wenger we've
:32:29. > :32:34.put to bed as well, what about Tottenham? They seemed to be high
:32:35. > :32:40.press, are they trying to do the same things as Guardiola? They are
:32:41. > :32:44.trying to do the same kind of thing, high press and get the ball back.
:32:45. > :32:51.But Manchester City have got better players. Really. There aren't many
:32:52. > :32:55.top players that would get into the Manchester City team. When you look
:32:56. > :32:58.across the bench, they have another team on the bench they could put out
:32:59. > :33:04.there. The secret of football is getting good players to work hard.
:33:05. > :33:07.Use a good players, with Harry Kane out of the team, I think Mauricio
:33:08. > :33:17.Pochettino said he would have to have a second scan on the ankle, so
:33:18. > :33:22.Janssen comes in, 17 million pounds signing, and he seems to be the
:33:23. > :33:28.old-fashioned target man number dying, that's going to be the target
:33:29. > :33:35.for Spurs. Just get the points in the bag until Harry Kane is back and
:33:36. > :33:40.fit. Thierry Henry, it took him one year. It took Pero Swanny. Great
:33:41. > :33:44.players. To come into the Premier League, it is totally different
:33:45. > :33:48.football. I played abroad in two different countries. You get one
:33:49. > :33:53.tough game, one not so tough, four easy games. One tough game... So the
:33:54. > :33:57.season pans out. These players sometimes find it difficult because
:33:58. > :34:00.you look at Bournemouth yesterday against Everton, there is no easy
:34:01. > :34:06.points in this league and it is like that every week and they find it
:34:07. > :34:11.difficult. Whether or not he will adapt, we will see. Tottenham have
:34:12. > :34:14.the youngest average age in the league, Ollie, and lots of new
:34:15. > :34:22.contracts being signed for these players. Forget Janssen, you need
:34:23. > :34:27.six Sons on the pitch! Signing these players down, that's what they need
:34:28. > :34:33.to do. Every time I open the newspaper, there's a picture of
:34:34. > :34:38.Mauricio Pochettino with a pen in his hand. It is important for Spurs.
:34:39. > :34:41.We've seen so many times in the past they have had these false dawns,
:34:42. > :34:47.terrific players who have been snapped up by so-called bigger
:34:48. > :34:50.clubs. Normally, Manchester United, in Spurs' case. If they can put a
:34:51. > :34:56.stop to that cycle where their best players leave, and where their
:34:57. > :35:05.manager leaves, successful manager, that is going to be huge for them.
:35:06. > :35:08.And I hope they do it, I hope they keep going that way. I wondered if
:35:09. > :35:13.they were going to have a sluggish season because they committed so
:35:14. > :35:19.much effort to the title chase last season but I think it seems they are
:35:20. > :35:23.starting to motor again. Do you think they lost their nerve or ran
:35:24. > :35:31.out of legs? I think they ran out of legs. I thought they looked tired
:35:32. > :35:34.first game of the season. Remarkable is that sounds, the training they
:35:35. > :35:37.would have done, that high-intensity, I think they looked
:35:38. > :35:42.knackered at the start of the season. All of a sudden, they have
:35:43. > :35:45.had that behind them, they have had an international break, and I think
:35:46. > :35:49.they will get better and better but can they sustain that challenge
:35:50. > :35:55.training is way they do? That is the one thing about Liverpool as well.
:35:56. > :35:59.It is difficult to believe it now but Leicester didn't break, either.
:36:00. > :36:08.They didn't do it. Keep your thoughts coming in. Just on Spurs,
:36:09. > :36:12.Richard says Son is on fire. I left on the bench today for my fantasy
:36:13. > :36:17.football team and I am gutted. Poor you. Come back of the day was that
:36:18. > :36:21.the Stadium Of Light, wasn't it? What a performance, Crystal Palace
:36:22. > :36:26.made it three wins in a low by turning around a 2-goal deficit and
:36:27. > :36:31.Sunderland drop to the bottom of the table. 2012 was last time the won a
:36:32. > :36:37.Premier League game in either August or September. Let's hear from the
:36:38. > :36:41.Sunderland manager, David Moyes. The players have to do their bit. I'm
:36:42. > :36:46.not too sure that they did today. And they need to stand up and take
:36:47. > :36:50.responsibility. The manager always does. I have been here a couple of
:36:51. > :36:54.times. What I'll say is that the club has been in this situation many
:36:55. > :36:59.times, many managers have spoken the same way as me. That is part of it.
:37:00. > :37:06.The supporters and fortunately I used to it but it is disappointing
:37:07. > :37:09.to be 2-0 up. I know who is going to criticise David Moyes, this man,
:37:10. > :37:26.Kevin Kilbane. Let me put the counter attack. Beyonce was their
:37:27. > :37:29.best player! Two games in the season, he says expect another
:37:30. > :37:36.relegation battle. He was saying there's something not right at this
:37:37. > :37:40.football club, I can't work it out. He is saying the players have to
:37:41. > :37:48.take responsibility. Six games in, isn't it more worrying you are 2-0
:37:49. > :37:52.up and you lose 3-2? Definitely. You lose a game from the position
:37:53. > :37:55.Sunderland were in, you see it through. You don't want to concede
:37:56. > :38:02.the first goal but as soon as Crystal Palace got the first goal,
:38:03. > :38:06.the momentum was with them. Worryingly, the set piece goal.
:38:07. > :38:14.David Moyes works on the set pieces. He works on the minor things. The
:38:15. > :38:21.goal they scored was as bad as it's going to be. There was no one near
:38:22. > :38:27.him. Eight players in the six yard box, no one is prepared to go out?
:38:28. > :38:34.It isn't a hard cross. They are the sort of things that would be on the
:38:35. > :38:46.front of his mind. Also, even to someone like me, if you're paying
:38:47. > :38:52.attention to anyone, it is Benteke. He has gone one, two, three. He can
:38:53. > :38:59.leap above everybody. The left-back isn't brave enough, not for me, he
:39:00. > :39:02.has to do better. Putting my manager's head-on, I've been where
:39:03. > :39:06.David Moyes has been. He's come straight out of the dressing room,
:39:07. > :39:10.and he's absolutely raging because they've given the lead up, and he's
:39:11. > :39:15.come straight on camera and you can tell by the things he said. Must do
:39:16. > :39:19.that every week! It's there underneath, you have to calm
:39:20. > :39:23.yourself down. He's probably had a go at a few of them. It is a proper
:39:24. > :39:27.argument in there. And he's walked in front of the camera. The second
:39:28. > :39:31.game of this season where he said we are in a relegation battle, I've
:39:32. > :39:35.been there as well because he hasn't signed the players he has wanted. In
:39:36. > :39:39.between the two games, he's sitting there, thinking, I don't have the
:39:40. > :39:45.tools to do the job and that is why he is looking frustrated. You must
:39:46. > :39:49.have extra dosages of vitamins C if you are a Sunderland fan. Five
:39:50. > :39:55.consecutive relegation battles. More than that, if you think about it!
:39:56. > :39:59.Ever since they finished tenth and the Steve Bruce, interestingly out
:40:00. > :40:05.of work at the moment. How do you keep going? For David Moyes, after
:40:06. > :40:10.what happened Sociedad and Manchester United, almost rather
:40:11. > :40:14.than negativity, this is his last chance in the Premier League because
:40:15. > :40:18.who would touch him otherwise? There is an element, that is true, you
:40:19. > :40:24.keep doing the same things and expect to get different results.
:40:25. > :40:29.There hasn't been a lot of investment. Same managers...
:40:30. > :40:35.Different managers get the same result and people are surprised. It
:40:36. > :40:38.isn't his fault, to be honest. Sam Allardyce was very disappointed
:40:39. > :40:42.about the lack of investment that he had been promised. David Moyes
:40:43. > :40:45.hasn't had a lot of investment. If you don't get investment in the
:40:46. > :40:51.club, the results would come, brutally. You look at the amounts of
:40:52. > :40:57.money Sunderland can spend and they're trying to compete with Stoke
:40:58. > :41:04.City, West Brom. They are spending above and beyond what Sunderland are
:41:05. > :41:09.spending. Quickest way to a heart attack, manage a club with no money.
:41:10. > :41:13.Well let's talk about West Ham versus Southampton. We have coverage
:41:14. > :41:19.of that on Five Live. Problems and and off the pitch for West Ham, both
:41:20. > :41:24.need addressing quickly. It surprises me, I must say, that we
:41:25. > :41:28.are at the stage where we are six games into the season and we are
:41:29. > :41:31.talking about issues at West Ham at that stage where we have been
:41:32. > :41:36.hearing about for years that West Ham have got issues. There is still
:41:37. > :41:39.a system in place where the police can't use their radio said police
:41:40. > :41:42.can't be in the stadium, how does that work? These things should have
:41:43. > :41:48.been ready for the start of the season. And, frankly, and I know it
:41:49. > :41:51.isn't all therefore, it is part of the issue that they don't own the
:41:52. > :41:54.stadiums are the stadium is run by someone else, they're trying to bang
:41:55. > :42:00.heads together but it should have been sorted. It is irresponsible
:42:01. > :42:04.that we've got a situation where big teams are going to start coming,
:42:05. > :42:07.like Chelsea, and there is a situation in a stadium where the
:42:08. > :42:18.police can't be in bed because radios don't working there. It is
:42:19. > :42:23.kind of amateur night, to be honest. There are problems with segregation.
:42:24. > :42:26.All these things, all the issues they are having really, really basic
:42:27. > :42:32.issues which should have been sorted. What about on the pitch? The
:42:33. > :42:39.way they are defending at the minute, put four steward in the back
:42:40. > :42:43.because they can't stop the ball going in the net! You can come
:42:44. > :42:48.again, Dean Saunders! On the pitch, West Ham, there's never been a team
:42:49. > :42:53.that has had a smooth transition of the pitch when they moved to a new
:42:54. > :42:58.stadium. It must be frustrating after a positive year last year.
:42:59. > :43:02.Playing at Upton Park, that intensity and atmosphere, it was a
:43:03. > :43:06.cauldron. They haven't found the atmosphere yet. When it comes with
:43:07. > :43:09.the quality they've got on the pitch, you'd think they could make
:43:10. > :43:17.something of it but at the moment there isn't that atmosphere. Payet,
:43:18. > :43:24.they are relying on him. They are not scoring goals. Defensively, we
:43:25. > :43:30.spoke about so often with the team they are not at it at all. And you
:43:31. > :43:35.see it in the matches. That's it. Southampton as well? They are
:43:36. > :43:39.improving, getting better and better. They had a good win in
:43:40. > :43:43.Europe, so I think they will be fine. So, West Ham against
:43:44. > :43:49.Southampton, 4pm it kicks off. That is on Five Live for you. My thanks
:43:50. > :43:54.to Kevin, Dean and Ollie. Thanks for joining us. Match of the Day 2 is on
:43:55. > :43:59.BBC One at 10pm. And we will have Burnley against Watford for you on
:44:00. > :44:02.Five Live. Whatever you are doing this Sunday, have a good one.