:00:31. > :00:33.Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two
:00:34. > :00:37.There are eight Premier League titles in the studio,
:00:38. > :00:38.shared between ex-Arsenal defender Martin Keown and former
:00:39. > :00:46.Henry Winter, the Times' chief football writer, is also with us.
:00:47. > :00:49.Get in touch using the hashtag #bbcfootball on social media
:00:50. > :00:58.Late drama on the south coast, where Raheem Sterling scored -
:00:59. > :01:00.and was sent off - deep in injury time,
:01:01. > :01:08.Eddie Howe's side are yet to win a point.
:01:09. > :01:10.As are West Ham - the pressure's growing on Slaven Bilic
:01:11. > :01:13.There's also four Premier League games today, including
:01:14. > :01:16.Team news to come from Stamford Bridge, and also
:01:17. > :01:29.And we'll look ahead to Liverpool against Arsenal at 4pm.
:01:30. > :01:33.Most of the papers focusing on transfers, with deadline day coming
:01:34. > :01:38.up on Thursday. The Express - Klopp's in Ox Hunt,
:01:39. > :01:41.saying Jurgen Klopp wants to hijack Chelsea's move for Alex
:01:42. > :01:42.Oxlade-Chamberlain. The Sun - City close on Jonny Evans
:01:43. > :01:47.and Virgil Van Dijk pleads The Mirror says Everton will bid
:01:48. > :01:50.?40 million for Jamie Vardy. The Observer - Guardiola fuming
:01:51. > :01:53.at Sterling's red card. Manchester City's Raheem Sterling
:01:54. > :02:02.was shown a second yellow card after celebrating his 97th minute
:02:03. > :02:05.winner at Bournemouth. This was Alan Shearer's view
:02:06. > :02:17.on MOTD last night - It's just impossible to think
:02:18. > :02:23.straight come to have any rationale whatsoever. I have got to say this
:02:24. > :02:26.come but that's the law! I have spoken to the referees tonight and
:02:27. > :02:31.they tell me that they have no choice, that is the letter of the
:02:32. > :02:34.law. They don't want to do it. So, we score the winning goal in the
:02:35. > :02:37.last minute, let's compose our thoughts and what back to the half
:02:38. > :02:43.way line and let's kick off again. Do me a favour, please! Raheem
:02:44. > :02:49.Sterling is still on the grass. He's two Yard is over the touchline. He
:02:50. > :02:53.knows he can't do that! OK, he can't do it channelled by the letter of
:02:54. > :02:57.the law, Mike Dean should book seven Manchester City players because they
:02:58. > :02:59.have just jumped on him. It should be seven come including Mendy! Come
:03:00. > :03:09.on, do me a favour! I couldn't work out whether Phil
:03:10. > :03:14.Neville was laughing nervously at the anger of Shearer! As a
:03:15. > :03:18.goal-scorer yourself, Andy, you would agree with everything Alan
:03:19. > :03:27.Shearer said? For sure, what are you supposed to do, scorer gold, 97th
:03:28. > :03:35.minute, do nothing?! It doesn't happen. When can you celebrate? I'm
:03:36. > :03:40.decimated that it is Mike Dean. A little bit of common sense. I will
:03:41. > :03:44.come onto Mike Dean in a moment! But what is really fascinating is, we
:03:45. > :03:50.were discussing it fair about what goes through your when celebrating,
:03:51. > :03:55.and this is more for Andy thank you! When you're celebrating a goal,
:03:56. > :03:59.that's what you're saying, you are in the moment, you're not thinking
:04:00. > :04:05.where you know to celebrate? Of course you don't waddle it's a
:04:06. > :04:10.feeling that is very, very hard to explain what you're feeling when you
:04:11. > :04:13.score a goal, and we're talking in the 97th minute, basically, you've
:04:14. > :04:18.nicked the win, what are you supposed to do? Let's celebrate,
:04:19. > :04:24.that's what football is all about, celebrating. There is that feeling
:04:25. > :04:29.of elation, they know they can do it, it's a vital three points. It is
:04:30. > :04:34.special circumstances at Bournemouth's ground as well, it's
:04:35. > :04:38.such a small little ground. I know it is the rule book, but very
:04:39. > :04:43.quickly, you're into the crowd, aren't you? There is an interesting
:04:44. > :04:48.point here, Henry, we've spoken to referees as well, and last week,
:04:49. > :04:54.when we were watching Spurs against Chelsea at Wembley, Marcos Alonso,
:04:55. > :05:00.who had been booked, got his second goal and ran off towards the Chelsea
:05:01. > :05:03.fans. Now, he doesn't go into the Chelsea fans, because actually it's
:05:04. > :05:10.impossible to do that at Wembley, you can't actually get to the fans.
:05:11. > :05:12.So, in many ways, Raheem Sterling is partly been punished here because
:05:13. > :05:17.the fans are very close to the touchline at Bournemouth, and he's
:05:18. > :05:21.being punished for the reaction of the fans. And I am not criticising
:05:22. > :05:25.them the reaction of the fans. We should go back to the law book and
:05:26. > :05:30.change the law. There is a difference between what Fifa
:05:31. > :05:34.suggests... Explained that. With Fifa, because they crossed the
:05:35. > :05:37.referees more, there is an element of discretion, they can decide,
:05:38. > :05:44.because they understand the situation and the emotions, as Andy
:05:45. > :05:49.was articulating. The FA is very much... And so it is a question of,
:05:50. > :05:53.who is going to miss next weekend's game, Mike Dean or Raheem Sterling?
:05:54. > :05:59.Clearly it's something the FA have got to address, because it's such an
:06:00. > :06:02.irritating thing. I will ask you a question, who would you prefer to
:06:03. > :06:08.miss the game come Mike Dean or Raheem Sterling? I wouldn't mind if
:06:09. > :06:13.Mike Dean Mr -month! But we live in an age now come the celebrity age,
:06:14. > :06:17.where the players are increasingly cut off from fans and what you saw
:06:18. > :06:22.there was Raheem Sterling going over and wanted to share his joy with the
:06:23. > :06:26.supporters at all Sergio Aguero standing up for a Manchester City
:06:27. > :06:30.fan who was being over-aggressively manhandled by a steward. Aguero was
:06:31. > :06:35.wanting to help him out of. So, we've got to have a balance, the
:06:36. > :06:39.authorities have got to say, let's open up this game a bit more and I
:06:40. > :06:41.would imagine most referees would rather use common sense in
:06:42. > :06:51.circumstances like that and not book him. Do you have sympathy, Andy, for
:06:52. > :06:56.Mike Dean, in that it feels like the authorities don't allow them to use
:06:57. > :07:00.common sense? No. No sympathy at all? Not at all. As a referee, we
:07:01. > :07:05.keep talking about referees understanding the game, if Raheem
:07:06. > :07:09.Sterling had actually run off the pitch, the punters are on the pitch,
:07:10. > :07:15.the stewards are on the pitch, what is he supposed to do? I've got no
:07:16. > :07:17.sympathy for Mike Dean at all. We have to give Mike Dean the
:07:18. > :07:26.opportunity to use discretion comment don't we? That game now
:07:27. > :07:32.against Liverpool has been denied a great player. Listen, I think we've
:07:33. > :07:37.talked about this one enough, Man City have got a huge squad, and who
:07:38. > :07:41.cares, but we are now not going to have Sterling's services in that
:07:42. > :07:45.game. This one says come common sense is a very commodity in the
:07:46. > :07:50.world, why would you expect to find it in a referee and?! John in
:07:51. > :07:58.Liverpool - if you have so much time added on in injury time, is a fan, I
:07:59. > :08:03.can understand wanting to celebrate with the players, however, I am also
:08:04. > :08:08.an occasional steward and we must maintain the safety of the players
:08:09. > :08:13.and fans. What stands out on that one before we get onto the actual
:08:14. > :08:19.football, it's the fact that he's and occasional steward comma which
:08:20. > :08:22.so many of them are. They are brought in, some of them are young.
:08:23. > :08:27.I have sympathy with the stewards under police, because of what is
:08:28. > :08:32.going on in the world, and there is an extra sensitivity in terms of big
:08:33. > :08:37.events. In general. Less sympathy for the steward on that fine,
:08:38. > :08:42.surely? Absolutely, I thought he was completely out of order. The way
:08:43. > :08:45.they handled that was really poor, eventually coming out at ten o'clock
:08:46. > :08:48.and saying there was a misunderstanding with what was
:08:49. > :08:52.alleged earlier. Bournemouth have got to look at their internal
:08:53. > :08:55.security arrangements, have a word with actually and with the match day
:08:56. > :09:00.commander and make sure that does not get repeated. Martin is right,
:09:01. > :09:05.there is a design issue with a ground like that. But just because
:09:06. > :09:10.the fans have got this proximity to the pitch does not preclude the
:09:11. > :09:18.players from going and celebrating. As far as City themselves are
:09:19. > :09:24.concerned, what you saw yesterday, everybody knows this, the attacking
:09:25. > :09:29.options that they have at their disposal? Well, it's amazing to
:09:30. > :09:33.watch. The Premier League gets ever stronger, and you're looking at the
:09:34. > :09:38.pace that these teams will have now. You've got Liverpool and Arsenal
:09:39. > :09:42.today, a huge amount of pace on the pitch, match at a city the same.
:09:43. > :09:47.It's a nightmare for defenders, without doubt. Against Everton last
:09:48. > :09:50.week I thought they struggled to handle the pace they were up
:09:51. > :09:54.against. So, every team has got that, it makes the Premier League
:09:55. > :09:59.even stronger. There were fewer players had to worry about in my
:10:00. > :10:04.day, the likes of Andy and Shearer and so on. Every team nowadays is
:10:05. > :10:08.equipped with pace common which makes defending difficult. At the
:10:09. > :10:14.same time, the options, if you are one of those options, can it be hard
:10:15. > :10:23.to find a rhythm if you are in one week and maybe out for two weeks?
:10:24. > :10:26.Very much so. If you look at City, I think possibly the best centre
:10:27. > :10:33.forward in the Premier League, Aguero, is on the bench. But the boy
:10:34. > :10:39.they have got up front, Jesus, is a quality player as well. So it's
:10:40. > :10:44.very, very tough. You can talk about rotation, as a centre forward, it's
:10:45. > :10:48.very, very difficult, but everyone is going to get a game because the
:10:49. > :10:56.season is so long now. Do you like them as a partnership? It can work,
:10:57. > :11:02.definitely, they're two quality players. Aguero, if he can stay fit
:11:03. > :11:07.for 38 games, I think he will be absolutely phenomenal. And also the
:11:08. > :11:11.problems that they create for defenders, very rarely have to play
:11:12. > :11:13.against two strikers. Central defenders have been spoiled for
:11:14. > :11:21.years playing against one striker. All of a sudden, it's a different
:11:22. > :11:27.problem. I like Aguero's reaction, he could have said come up and hire
:11:28. > :11:33.not dying to play second fiddle. -- he could have said, I'm not going to
:11:34. > :11:39.play second fiddle. But he came off the bench and he was fantastic.
:11:40. > :11:43.Please get in touch with us, still an awful lot on Sterling coming in.
:11:44. > :11:49.This one says come I've got no sympathy for him at all come it was
:11:50. > :11:53.not harsh is all about safety. This one says, what about the fans, we
:11:54. > :11:58.spend all of our money to go away, why don't people ask us? That's what
:11:59. > :12:02.we want to see! Keep them coming. For Manchester United, three wins
:12:03. > :12:10.out of three, it took awhile to break Leicester yesterday but as
:12:11. > :12:13.they said after the match, last season, that might have been the
:12:14. > :12:17.kind of game that they would have drawn? Yeah, I think it is about
:12:18. > :12:24.momentum for them, about moving the ball quickly. The pace, again,
:12:25. > :12:27.Martial and Rashford. I like the way the manager is able to get the best
:12:28. > :12:30.out of the squad, people getting important goals coming off the
:12:31. > :12:38.bench. Mourinho looks like he is back in the zone again, he's
:12:39. > :12:40.buzzing. He's that predator again, he's thinking clearly, making all
:12:41. > :12:47.the right decisions. And the players are really performing for him. I
:12:48. > :12:51.heard Ferdinand talking yesterday, Rio Ferdinand, that he has been in
:12:52. > :12:54.the dressing room and you can sense that they think it is back again,
:12:55. > :12:59.that winning feeling. He's almost done it overnight, they're looking
:13:00. > :13:06.really strong at the moment, but it's that consistency. The two
:13:07. > :13:09.managers, Shakespeare took two players off, which actually, given
:13:10. > :13:14.the work they do, Mourinho look at that and thought, is going to be a
:13:15. > :13:21.bit of space here, and he put Rashford on, who scored very
:13:22. > :13:26.quickly. I think Mourinho has said that that will be it for the
:13:27. > :13:33.transfer window, but can use to see why he might want a winner? I can
:13:34. > :13:37.see it, I could see he might want to bring in more players, a manager
:13:38. > :13:42.always wants options. The more options you have, the better for
:13:43. > :13:46.yourself and your team, but the way they have started this team, I don't
:13:47. > :13:52.think you could ask for anything else. Left-back, if they could get a
:13:53. > :14:00.Danny Rose... I could see that, I still think Luke sure has got a big
:14:01. > :14:03.future, I really do, we all need a bit of love when it comes to
:14:04. > :14:10.football. But Mourinho is not great at giving love. I think he could be
:14:11. > :14:15.established for the next ten years, but Mourinho doesn't necessarily
:14:16. > :14:20.like individuals who do not stand up to the challenge, in his perception.
:14:21. > :14:25.Around October last year, Martial and Luke Shaw fell out with him at
:14:26. > :14:31.Watford comma Martial went off with a head injury, he fell out of love
:14:32. > :14:34.with those two. Martial has found a way back in and surely he can do
:14:35. > :14:42.that for Luke Shaw as well. He's a player with great talent, he cannot
:14:43. > :14:45.just disappear. And also, is there not a responsibility as a map of
:14:46. > :14:51.what he has been through injury-wise as well? Definitely. You can't be
:14:52. > :15:00.expect it to be out for 12 months or whatever it is and then come back.
:15:01. > :15:05.Mentally, that's tough. I still think he's got a massive future.
:15:06. > :15:10.He's a young man, he's got a long way in front of him. Just one bit on
:15:11. > :15:15.England. You raved about Harry Maguire last season - he's started
:15:16. > :15:23.this season well, would you start him for England?
:15:24. > :15:30.In a four, used the ball really very well. He's strong, quick,
:15:31. > :15:34.intelligent. This fella was playing at 16 years of age. All the clubs
:15:35. > :15:41.had a chance to take him. No-one took him. He's sliding in through
:15:42. > :15:45.the back door. Fair play to Gareth Southgate for finally seeing what he
:15:46. > :15:51.has. We'll go to our first lunch time game of the afternoon. West
:15:52. > :15:55.Brom against stoke and Stamford Bridge, it's Chelsea against
:15:56. > :15:58.Everton. Guy Mowbray is there for Match of the Day 2. Looking like a
:15:59. > :16:03.glorious afternoon in south-west London. Are you expecting Chelsea to
:16:04. > :16:09.be the busiest of last season's top six off the field this week? Yeah,
:16:10. > :16:13.afternoon Mark, afternoon everybody. The London clubs in general could be
:16:14. > :16:19.busy. Antonio Conte is certainly intending to be. He channelled his
:16:20. > :16:23.inner Alan Hansen where he said the club has to make a choice. Do they
:16:24. > :16:29.go for the title or going for younger players. If that's not a
:16:30. > :16:34.hint about trying to win with kids. He's is prepared to pick players but
:16:35. > :16:41.only if they're ready. It will be an interesting few days ahead for him.
:16:42. > :16:49.Everyone who played regularly or as a sub has been replaced. Down to cab
:16:50. > :16:53.area row replacing Begovic. He needs one or two more. They have a young
:16:54. > :16:57.bench. He doesn't want to push too hard. If the Chelsea owner feelings
:16:58. > :17:02.they've been backed sufficiently, they have spent a fair bit of cash.
:17:03. > :17:07.There's only one winner in that argument. I saw the ticker go across
:17:08. > :17:14.the screen with the teams on it. It is looking more like a Chelsea
:17:15. > :17:18.starting XI today? It is. He's brought Fabregas back in today. It
:17:19. > :17:25.is not the problem with the 11. It is the ones on the fringes. He needs
:17:26. > :17:30.experienced heads. They have Tomori. I'd love to see more of that.
:17:31. > :17:34.Clearly, Antonio Conte doesn't feel his younger players are ready for
:17:35. > :17:38.the rigours of the Premier League. As far as Everton is concerned a
:17:39. > :17:43.second tough away game in less than seven days? It's been a brutal
:17:44. > :17:46.schedule for them. Manchester City then Split and here. Somewhere where
:17:47. > :17:50.they haven't won for 23 years in the league. It's hardly ideal
:17:51. > :17:54.preparation. I hope they get well rested. After the inter nationality
:17:55. > :18:00.break they come back with Manchester United and Tottenham. What a start
:18:01. > :18:02.tor Ronaldo man. They started their competitive season earlier than any
:18:03. > :18:07.other team. They've played six games. Wayne Rooney's playing all of
:18:08. > :18:12.them. A regular starter again. Little wonder he has announced his
:18:13. > :18:17.retirement from England duty. To echo the tributes paid to him this
:18:18. > :18:20.week, record out field appearances and goal scorer, I reckon he's
:18:21. > :18:25.earned the right. Thank you very much. Guy doing that game for Match
:18:26. > :18:30.of the Day tonight on BBC One at 10.35pm. We were at the Manchester
:18:31. > :18:35.City game on Monday, Henry. He covered every blade of grass, did
:18:36. > :18:40.Wayne Rooney. He was unbelievable. He ran more than any other Everton
:18:41. > :18:45.player. What was great, the bond between players and fans, you look
:18:46. > :18:50.at Rooney now, he is playing for the love of it. He's very wealthy but
:18:51. > :18:55.it's fantastic to see him going there. We have this perception of
:18:56. > :19:00.players playing for the money. Rooney's playing for that shirt. The
:19:01. > :19:06.pride when he told his family he was coming back to Goodison and playing
:19:07. > :19:10.for Everton. The fact he'd been making that admission he's been
:19:11. > :19:14.wearing Everton pyjamas for 13 years. He will be able to rest up in
:19:15. > :19:18.international week and have a fantastic season. Doubtless there
:19:19. > :19:22.will be a clamour in April, May to see him go to Russia. And he's
:19:23. > :19:27.playing for a manager who now believes in him. We were told last
:19:28. > :19:32.seen on Rooney's finished. Too many miles on the clock. He'd lost that
:19:33. > :19:37.desire. It was accolade after accolade. Breaking Manchester United
:19:38. > :19:42.goal scoring record, England goal scoring record. He's back with a
:19:43. > :19:47.vengeance. It is an excellent signing. All the players look up to
:19:48. > :19:52.him. A great signing for Everton. A massive signing. I'm one of his
:19:53. > :19:55.biggest fans. I could never understand why people disrespected
:19:56. > :20:00.him so much when he went through a bad patch. Saying he was past his
:20:01. > :20:05.best. He's been England's best player for many years. One of
:20:06. > :20:09.Manchester United's mainstays for how many years. Seeing him going to
:20:10. > :20:15.Everton and scoring goals doesn't surprise me at all. As Henry alluded
:20:16. > :20:19.too, he looked like he was enjoying it on Monday night. There have been
:20:20. > :20:25.times where he looked like he hasn't been enjoying it. How he responded
:20:26. > :20:28.on social media virtually straight after the game, looked like he was
:20:29. > :20:33.enjoying it. Arm in arm with gawd Yeo had an at one point. Without
:20:34. > :20:37.going all hippy on him, he looked as if he was at peace with himself. He
:20:38. > :20:41.did, didn't he? What is football about? Enjoying yourself. As a
:20:42. > :20:46.professional footballer you want to enjoy yourself. We spoke at the top
:20:47. > :20:50.of the show about Raheem Sterling enjoying himself celebrating a goal.
:20:51. > :20:54.That's what Wayne's doing. If we can't do that as players, we
:20:55. > :20:58.shouldn't be doing what we're doing. Yet, they're still looking for
:20:59. > :21:04.another striker by all accounts. The papers this morning have themming
:21:05. > :21:10.linked with Vardy, Deeney and Diego Costa. If they take Vardy there,
:21:11. > :21:14.that is a massive intention. Vardy's looked really sharp at the start of
:21:15. > :21:18.the season. Caused Arsenal lots of trouble. Sigurdsson coming in
:21:19. > :21:23.scoring a goal midweek from 50 yards. That's another great... A
:21:24. > :21:33.massive if though? What, Vardy coming? ? Yeah It is. Maybe it is
:21:34. > :21:35.paper talk. The Evertonians believe their club's being turned around.
:21:36. > :21:41.For years they watched with envy Liverpool buying players. They're
:21:42. > :21:49.spending money. A lot came from Lukaku. More's coming from sheerer,
:21:50. > :21:53.the new owner who's come in. I was at the Finch Farm on Friday. There's
:21:54. > :21:56.such a buzz about the place and the new stadium that will be built. They
:21:57. > :22:00.will be sad to leave Goodison Park because of the atmosphere. It is a
:22:01. > :22:07.club going places. You must be tempted if you're a player, this is
:22:08. > :22:12.a team worth joining. There's a good mix with Jagielka, will Yanns.
:22:13. > :22:18.Keane. Koeman as well is a manager what wants to go places. He sees
:22:19. > :22:22.himself as a top manager. He'll see himself as a Barcelona type manager.
:22:23. > :22:28.You keep pro striding me money, I need to keep these players. I wants
:22:29. > :22:32.to get into that top four. Unlike Chelsea, he's giving the kids a
:22:33. > :22:36.chance. There were eight kids on the pitch on Monday night. Some are
:22:37. > :22:40.brought in from elsewhere like Keane. But fantastic to see the
:22:41. > :22:45.development. Great for the national team as well. Immense against
:22:46. > :22:50.Manchester City. His pace surprised me, how goods he was. Vardy, Deeney,
:22:51. > :22:57.Costa, all three are very different players. So, which one will be a
:22:58. > :23:02.best fit for Everton? If you're going to keep Wayne in the team,
:23:03. > :23:07.Vardy. I think we all know what Wayne can do very well. Drops in the
:23:08. > :23:14.hole. Lets people in. It gives him more space. If you're looking at it
:23:15. > :23:20.like that, I would go for Vardy. Are any of those rumours realistic? I
:23:21. > :23:26.think difficult. Possibly Vardy. He is the most tempting one. Why take
:23:27. > :23:32.Costa when he wants to get to Athletico Madrid? The Texan tweets
:23:33. > :23:38.are coming in on Raheem Sterling. This one, "I totally disagree with
:23:39. > :23:43.sheerer. Do the rugby league, union players scoring a late try celebrate
:23:44. > :23:48.like that or cricketers getting a century or double century. Do any
:23:49. > :23:56.other sportsmen celebrate like Sterling. Pathetic about not
:23:57. > :24:01.accepting responsibility". Obviously not a football fan. The last bit
:24:02. > :24:08.says Manchester United fan. Might be coming to if from a certain angle. I
:24:09. > :24:11.can't agree with that. My time at Manchester United, we done it a few
:24:12. > :24:17.times, getting a last minute goals. I think the manager's done it a few
:24:18. > :24:21.times as well. It happens. I have to say, I do see rugby union and rugby
:24:22. > :24:27.league players celebrate tries like that and getting jumped on. Rightly
:24:28. > :24:31.so. ? To be fair, if a cricketer scored a century or a double
:24:32. > :24:36.century, it is a long way to run to celebrate with the fans! West Ham
:24:37. > :24:44.defeated at Newcastle yesterday by 3-0. Three defeats. Ten conceded so
:24:45. > :24:52.far this season. I have to admit they were simply better in
:24:53. > :24:57.everything. Especially in determination, wanting to win the
:24:58. > :25:01.second balls and wanting to make a good transition when they were
:25:02. > :25:04.winning those balls. After that, of course, comes the quality because
:25:05. > :25:13.you are coming with the ball in a good area. We didn't deserve
:25:14. > :25:17.anything today from this game. He doesn't look good there, really.
:25:18. > :25:21.Like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders. He looks
:25:22. > :25:27.like a broken man. They haven't been able to play a home match because of
:25:28. > :25:31.the World Athletics Championships. It's gone from bad to worse. He was
:25:32. > :25:36.talking about the positives against Southampton. Clearly, yesterday,
:25:37. > :25:39.when you're losing against Newcastle, another team in big
:25:40. > :25:43.trouble themselves, a lot of question marks with the football
:25:44. > :25:47.club. It looked like they were all over the play. Font sitting on the
:25:48. > :25:51.bench. Players completely out of form. Lanzini again coming in not
:25:52. > :25:56.really making things happen. Antonio coming back. They're slowly coming
:25:57. > :26:01.back into the team but there isn't a team. They are not gelling together
:26:02. > :26:05.as a group. You wonder is it going to be time they changed the manager?
:26:06. > :26:09.Only three or four matches. It seems so early in the season. He'll have
:26:10. > :26:15.to have a good look at himself. Is he up for the job? He didn't look
:26:16. > :26:18.like it yesterday. Looking all over the place, there isn't a team. Is
:26:19. > :26:24.that fair? I'm not saying they're not a team. I watched it yesterday.
:26:25. > :26:28.They wasn't as bad as the result ended up. I've got to be honest. The
:26:29. > :26:33.first goal really knocked the stuffing out of them. It was a bad
:26:34. > :26:37.goal to give away. They had a couple of the chances before that, West
:26:38. > :26:41.Ham. Within the first 25 minutes, half an hour, there wasn't a lot in
:26:42. > :26:51.it. The second half, Newcastle got the other goal. Yeah, I don't think
:26:52. > :26:57.it was as bad as the result said. They could do with Kovalio into
:26:58. > :27:02.central midfield. He's somebody meant to be moving every summer to
:27:03. > :27:07.the Premier League for the last ten years, you have a question mark
:27:08. > :27:11.about whether he'll ever come. He had that injury. Came on to the
:27:12. > :27:15.scene in the under-21s. A terrific player. Maybe there's uncertainty
:27:16. > :27:18.because there's doubt about the future of the manager. He doesn't
:27:19. > :27:24.necessarily know who he's signing to. Can you really judge somebody
:27:25. > :27:31.after three games? You look at what he's asking people to do. Rice, a
:27:32. > :27:37.lot of pressure. Hann zony came on. Maybe Lanzini should have started
:27:38. > :27:43.the game. Zabaleta, we thought his legs had gone for City. Why isn't he
:27:44. > :27:46.playing him in the central midfield role rather than Rice? Newcastle
:27:47. > :27:49.will press. You want people on the ball with experience in that
:27:50. > :27:54.position. Not necessarily a youngster. He's the man making all
:27:55. > :27:58.those decisions. The cutting edge, Hernandez at the top of the team
:27:59. > :28:03.looks an excellent signing. Maybe he should be given time. Do you think
:28:04. > :28:09.the whole club's a bit of a muddle at the moment? To be fair, I heard a
:28:10. > :28:13.comment yesterday, as I was shaking my head, West Ham are like
:28:14. > :28:19.Newcastle. In the way the club's run. They're up and down. One minute
:28:20. > :28:23.you think it's going really well and it ends up someone throws a spanner
:28:24. > :28:28.in the works. That's what it is at West Ham. They have avenue quality
:28:29. > :28:31.players there. After three games you can't say, we'll sack the manager.
:28:32. > :28:37.They've not played a home game yet. It's not a fault of their own. You
:28:38. > :28:42.say, Manchester United, start of the season, what are you expected to get
:28:43. > :28:45.at Old Trafford. After that, they was unlucky against Southampton and
:28:46. > :28:51.lost this week. When they get home, it will be a big difference. We have
:28:52. > :28:58.an acknowledge Newcastle did a good job on them. Benitez is good at
:28:59. > :29:03.getting the tactics right. You look at that Newcastle, the hunger, the
:29:04. > :29:08.players he'd playing there. He needs more investment from Mike Ashley,
:29:09. > :29:12.everyone accepts that. There's far more unity there compared to West
:29:13. > :29:17.Ham. Look at the fans supporting Benitez. They're backing him. You
:29:18. > :29:22.look at the average age of that Newcastle team, 24. There was a lot
:29:23. > :29:28.of mobility and fluidity. You don't see that with West Ham. A lot of
:29:29. > :29:33.fans want Newcastle to go down. It is one of those moments when you
:29:34. > :29:37.lose the game, you question from with inare we good enough to stay
:29:38. > :29:43.up. People talking about when they go home. Upton Park is their home.
:29:44. > :29:49.They're in a new home and they're struggling. They're playing their
:29:50. > :29:53.first five games away from home. Even if the new stadium's not their
:29:54. > :29:57.real home, it is still five games away from home. If you're not home
:29:58. > :30:05.and don't play well you can nick three points. It is the manner of
:30:06. > :30:08.the win. The manager said he had a limited time frame to turn it round.
:30:09. > :30:13.He knows the pressure it is building. It is about sorting out
:30:14. > :30:18.that 11. Chelsea at least have their 11. Look how well they did last
:30:19. > :30:23.week. West Ham are a long way from getting this right. "West Ham not
:30:24. > :30:28.just the first three games of this season. It was dreadful last season
:30:29. > :30:33.as well" one final question on this, which might be slightly mischievous,
:30:34. > :30:38.Henry, bearing in mind they've been interested in him before, if they do
:30:39. > :30:46.seaside to part company with Bilic, what? Benitez. I'm sure they'd look
:30:47. > :30:52.at him. It would be interesting if they do it imminently. It will help
:30:53. > :30:59.Benitez's hand in the transfer market with Ashley. I can't see
:31:00. > :31:03.Benitez denying speculation about linking him to West Ham. He has a
:31:04. > :31:08.team there who can stay up with great support. You can see what they
:31:09. > :31:13.can do at home. Benitez needs one or two more players in. Maybe the
:31:14. > :31:21.speculation will West Ham will help him. I thought you were going to say
:31:22. > :31:23.Sam Allardyce. Now to the Hawthorns, the other 1.30 game today. You can
:31:24. > :31:35.see it later on Match of the Day 2. Tony Pulis has got a good record any
:31:36. > :31:40.time he has come up against his old employers. Today's he's hoping that
:31:41. > :31:44.West Brom can continue along with Manchester United is the only teams
:31:45. > :31:49.with a 100% start. West Brom have not even conceded a goal yet in the
:31:50. > :31:54.top flight this season. Today there are two changes, James Morrison
:31:55. > :32:00.coming in to the midfield and Salomon Rondon coming into the
:32:01. > :32:04.attack. For the visitors, stuck, they really kick-started their
:32:05. > :32:09.season with 1-0 victory against Arsenal last weekend. Mark Hughes
:32:10. > :32:16.brings in the Dutch defender Bruno Martins Indi, to take the place of
:32:17. > :32:23.Mamie. . Saido Berahino is on the bench for Stoke, still looking for
:32:24. > :32:26.his first goal for his new club. Despite the fact it looks like we
:32:27. > :32:37.superimposed him on West Brom comma he is actually delete the leaf!
:32:38. > :32:41.Let's go back to managers under pressure. If it is too soon to judge
:32:42. > :32:45.Slaven Bilic, who has had other seasons in the job, then you would
:32:46. > :32:50.say the same think Martin Keown, for Gore at Crystal Palace? Yes,
:32:51. > :32:55.possibly, but maybe he has misunderstood what he has walked
:32:56. > :33:00.into there. What do you mean by that? Well, by all accounts they are
:33:01. > :33:03.trying to play more football, so it's a difficult situation that he
:33:04. > :33:07.has gone into and perhaps one he has underestimated. Talking about Sam
:33:08. > :33:11.Allardyce, Sam was happy to leave that job is in it is possibly a
:33:12. > :33:16.bigger job than we all realise. They have had five managers I believe in
:33:17. > :33:19.the last six seasons. So it's a difficult job. We look at the
:33:20. > :33:27.players and we say comma Wilfried Zaha, Townsend, surely they're too
:33:28. > :33:31.good to go down. Well, are they? Because at the moment they look like
:33:32. > :33:37.a ship that is lost. It is a difficult one for Palace. Sam
:33:38. > :33:41.Allardyce is not silly, we know that. He might have said to himself,
:33:42. > :33:46.I've done more than enough to keep them up, next season is going to be
:33:47. > :33:52.very, very tough. So go at a good time. Like you said, fracked the
:33:53. > :33:56.ball has gone in and it might be that he's trying to play a little
:33:57. > :34:00.bit too much. The Premier League is a different league to where he has
:34:01. > :34:03.come from, in Holland and Italy beforehand. It's going to take time,
:34:04. > :34:08.but it's another one - how much time are they going to give him? Palace
:34:09. > :34:13.need to stay in the Premier League. He has been at a club, Ajax, which
:34:14. > :34:18.has nurtured players, it's really a feeder club. Now, this is the real
:34:19. > :34:25.thing. It didn't go well for him in Italy. He almost looks a little bit
:34:26. > :34:30.isolated. I know he's got Sammy Lee, who's a great person to work with.
:34:31. > :34:33.He will be more used to the Sam Allardyce game, everybody playing
:34:34. > :34:37.the percentages, a bit of steel in the team. It just seems at the
:34:38. > :34:40.moment, losing yesterday as they did against Swansea, who everyone is
:34:41. > :34:46.saying, are they going to stay up? It's another one of those. You have
:34:47. > :34:51.a chairman in Steve Parrish who is very hands-on, very aware of, as a
:34:52. > :34:55.Palace fan and as a businessman, with money invested in the place, he
:34:56. > :34:58.is very conscious of what is going on. It is interesting that he has
:34:59. > :35:04.brought in Dougie Freedman as sporting director. Maybe this is to
:35:05. > :35:10.encourage de Boer to look at players who are a bit more Premier League
:35:11. > :35:16.hardened. One or two of the players they've brought in, Loftus-Cheek I
:35:17. > :35:18.think, in terms of long-term English development, it will be interesting
:35:19. > :35:23.to see how Loftus-Cheek develops under a coach like de Boer. But
:35:24. > :35:30.whether he gets the time, I know it's crazy, but as Andy was saying,
:35:31. > :35:33.it's such a cultural shift to try and impose Ajax on Selhurst Park,
:35:34. > :35:36.and to do that quickly. He's fortunate that Wilfried Zaha is out
:35:37. > :35:41.injured, because he has been so fantastic for the last couple of
:35:42. > :35:45.years for them. But then, would de Boer necessarily have played to
:35:46. > :35:49.Wilfried Zaha's strengths anyway? I think at some point he will have to
:35:50. > :35:53.compromises principles if he's going to stay in the long-term. Do you
:35:54. > :35:57.think people have seen that he has managed Ajax and have just used the
:35:58. > :36:02.Ajax Prince balls as an easy stick to beat him with? The reason I ask
:36:03. > :36:09.that is, when they played Huddersfield, they hit 18% of all of
:36:10. > :36:16.their passes long. That's passes over 30 yards in distance, by the
:36:17. > :36:21.way. At Liverpool, they hit 32% of their passes long. Yesterday it was
:36:22. > :36:26.down to just shy of 13%. But their average last season was 20%. So in
:36:27. > :36:29.the first two game, they have nearly been on the average of last season,
:36:30. > :36:34.so it was only yesterday that they hit a much lower percentage. But
:36:35. > :36:39.that is interesting if you'd the last ten minutes of a game. Because
:36:40. > :36:43.I think they were chasing the game and even de Boer would have
:36:44. > :36:49.sacrificed his principles and said, we've got to stick a centre half up
:36:50. > :36:53.front. Lots of clubs have had this, and it's like turning the Titanic
:36:54. > :36:59.round at times. Some players have it in their minds, I can't play
:37:00. > :37:03.football, I have to go long. I want to miss midfield out. Maybe the
:37:04. > :37:07.players aren't buying into it, and he's got to get results. But another
:37:08. > :37:11.thing, yesterday, he said his players need to show courage. I
:37:12. > :37:16.wonder whether he's talking about them at Selhurst Park, where they've
:37:17. > :37:20.had two of their defeats so far. They lost at home to Swansea,
:37:21. > :37:26.Burnley and Sunderland last season. They only won six games at Selhurst
:37:27. > :37:29.Park last season. Is actually, maybe there is a bigger problem with how
:37:30. > :37:36.they're performing at home in front of what arguably is one of the best
:37:37. > :37:38.crowds in the Premier League. Yeah, I think when he's talking about
:37:39. > :37:45.courage, when you're at home, you've got to get on the ball, make angles
:37:46. > :37:50.and keep the ball. Ultimately, if you can't do that, you're going to
:37:51. > :37:56.struggle. If the best players can't do it, what will the lesser players
:37:57. > :38:00.be doing? I just looked at other and it is a bit of a rock and a hard
:38:01. > :38:04.place, they have got very good players, it's just a case of being
:38:05. > :38:08.given time. The good managers, they make you feel comfortable in
:38:09. > :38:14.possession. Hold a gun to someone's head and say... No doubt, he's got
:38:15. > :38:18.to be a good manager. Transfer that from the training pitch to the game,
:38:19. > :38:22.everybody on Saturday wants to pass the ball. Can we also credit Swansea
:38:23. > :38:29.and Paul Cummins for the work he's done, Tammy Abraham, he's brought
:38:30. > :38:33.in, he's done a good job there. It is good to see English coaches doing
:38:34. > :38:40.a good, who is bringing players like Tammy Abraham through. He's a good
:38:41. > :38:47.young kid who is going places, we saw it at Bristol City last season.
:38:48. > :38:50.There is potentially a top player there are, Andy would no far better
:38:51. > :38:57.than I would. You know one about Bristol City as well, do you rate
:38:58. > :39:01.him but only I do like him, we would never have known if Bristol City did
:39:02. > :39:05.not take him and he scored those goals. But now he has got the
:39:06. > :39:09.opportunity to be at Swansea in the Premier League, and he's started
:39:10. > :39:13.really well. He's a baby. Some interesting tweets on Bilic. This
:39:14. > :39:19.one says, the pressure has been on for the last year, we can't defend,
:39:20. > :39:24.he needs to go. Although this one says, yes, he probably should go,
:39:25. > :39:28.but West Ham can keep their sticky paws off Rafa Benitez, he is ours!
:39:29. > :39:31.The big game at four o'clock is Liverpool against Arsenal, you will
:39:32. > :39:38.be able to hear that on Radio 5 Live and see the highlights later on
:39:39. > :39:42.Match Of The Day 2. If you were still playing, Andy, which defence
:39:43. > :39:48.would you rather be taking on this afternoon going I've got to be
:39:49. > :39:55.brutally honest, if I was playing now, I would love to play, I really
:39:56. > :40:00.would! Just in general! There seems to be a hell of a lot more space
:40:01. > :40:04.than in my time, when I was playing, against people like Martin and that.
:40:05. > :40:09.I see the chances that come about, and I think, wow! I would enjoy
:40:10. > :40:15.this! All right, then, which defence would you feel more comfortable in?
:40:16. > :40:21.Liverpool and Arsenal... Probably the Liverpool one, because it is a
:40:22. > :40:28.four. I prefer to play in a four. Although the game now has changed
:40:29. > :40:37.and the three, it's a five. I could not get win to and Dixon to do all
:40:38. > :40:40.of that! But last week, Monreal was playing in a central position, and
:40:41. > :40:45.that for me has to be a specialist, is can't be a full-back. And yet
:40:46. > :40:50.they're selling Mustafi. I was disappointed to see Gabriel going,
:40:51. > :40:53.because I felt he was an out-and-out defender. I thought he was immense
:40:54. > :40:57.in the semifinal of the FA Cup, he then got injured at the end of the
:40:58. > :41:01.season and he's not come back. I find that really... They don't grow
:41:02. > :41:06.on trees, these defenders, and he's got the mentality to defend. Mustafi
:41:07. > :41:12.being allowed to leave, we understand, again, I'm not sure what
:41:13. > :41:14.they're building for. You're going to get exposed. You need plenty of
:41:15. > :41:22.pace, particularly when you're playing against Liverpool. Sadio
:41:23. > :41:27.Mane and Mosul are, the way Sadio Mane was working as a number nine,
:41:28. > :41:32.dropping off comma there is so much pace coming against that Arsenal
:41:33. > :41:36.defence, and that Arsenal defence is not built for dealing with pace. As
:41:37. > :41:42.we understand it, Simon Mignolet is not playing this afternoon, he's
:41:43. > :41:50.being rested, apparently, so Loris Karius will come in. Mignolet does
:41:51. > :41:53.not appear to have done anything wrong? I think it is a very strange
:41:54. > :41:57.decision, particularly when it's about building that relationship
:41:58. > :42:04.with your defence. As I understand it, he's not injured, but he's being
:42:05. > :42:08.rested. Well, these are the big game, what they did against Arsenal
:42:09. > :42:12.last year, winning all six points, effectively got them into the top
:42:13. > :42:15.four. This is effectively one of the biggest game of their season, and
:42:16. > :42:20.he's not playing, so I find that astonishing. It might be one where
:42:21. > :42:24.the manager sees something and he wants the specialist in for the day.
:42:25. > :42:27.But you have got to have the relationship between your goalkeeper
:42:28. > :42:34.and your defenders. And the other story surrounding this game, on the
:42:35. > :42:38.field, is, Liverpool, in the mix for Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, it looks
:42:39. > :42:44.like he's going to leave, Liverpool and Chelsea both want him. I'm
:42:45. > :42:51.surprised. I listened to Arsene Wenger's comments the other day that
:42:52. > :42:55.he should stay, but he's going to make a decision on what position he
:42:56. > :42:59.wants to play in. He always felt that Arsenal never played him in his
:43:00. > :43:02.strongest position. And the two clubs that are being quoted, if they
:43:03. > :43:08.will play him in his strongest position... He wants to play central
:43:09. > :43:11.midfield, doesn't he? Oxley Chamberlain has got so much going
:43:12. > :43:15.for him in terms of the, actually. Teases, the stamina, the touch. I
:43:16. > :43:21.think there have been question marks about how driven he is. But you
:43:22. > :43:27.can't dictate to a coach about where you play. If the coach thinks he's
:43:28. > :43:32.better out wide... If he thinks he can slip into Chelsea's central
:43:33. > :43:37.midfield, or Liverpool's, I think he might have a rude awakening. Ten
:43:38. > :43:41.seconds, would he be a loss for Arsenal? would be a huge loss for
:43:42. > :43:45.Arsenal, but he's not a central midfield player. He has cost Arsenal
:43:46. > :43:49.goals in the Champions League in that position. If he played there
:43:50. > :43:52.from a young kid, he might be well-equipped, but as a wingback,
:43:53. > :44:00.that's his best position and he should stay there. Thank you very
:44:01. > :44:04.much all of you, we are out of time, see you for Match Of The Day 2.