:00:26. > :00:29.Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two,
:00:30. > :00:33.Joining me today are Martin Keown, Guy Mowbray and Henry Winter.
:00:34. > :00:36.Use the hashtag bbcfootball on social media, or text 85058
:00:37. > :01:00.Over the next 45 minutes we discuss a first win for Bob Bradley at
:01:01. > :01:05.Chelsea stay top of the Premier League
:01:06. > :01:08.and heap more misery on a bad week for Spurs.
:01:09. > :01:10.Fourth place Arsenal will hope to keep pace with the leaders today
:01:11. > :01:13.when they face Bournemouth and we'll have updates from Vicarage Road
:01:14. > :01:32.the game kicked off at midday, it's goalless. These are the back pages.
:01:33. > :01:39.And the murder, on the David Manchester United meet West Ham,
:01:40. > :01:44.suggesting that Jose Mourinho once Dmitri Payet. We start of the
:01:45. > :01:49.Liberty Stadium, 24 hours ago, we might not have imagined we'd be
:01:50. > :01:55.doing. Swansea against Crystal Palace, 5-4. Martin, I know you are
:01:56. > :02:02.keeping an eye on this, for all it's a remarkable game, the defending was
:02:03. > :02:07.appalling. It's one of those situations you see central defenders
:02:08. > :02:12.go to the opposition, talking about Tompkinson winning every header. But
:02:13. > :02:16.in the own box they couldn't win the balls and I don't know if that's
:02:17. > :02:23.down to desire. When you score as a central defender, do your job first.
:02:24. > :02:29.The way the game went, 3-1 up, Swansea, they started to panic,
:02:30. > :02:34.clearing balls for fun and it ebbed and flowed. You could see both
:02:35. > :02:37.managers what it meant. Pardew is hanging perilously in his job
:02:38. > :02:41.because of that result. We will come to him in a moment but let's start
:02:42. > :02:52.with the positives, Swansea, let's hear from Bob Bradley. I can say it
:02:53. > :02:55.enough, it's a great bunch of guys, unbelievable club, I have loved
:02:56. > :03:01.every second of being here and I know when things are going in the
:03:02. > :03:06.wrong direction, it takes sometimes, real determination and courage. You
:03:07. > :03:11.can only repeat that message so many times, the words get old. Today I
:03:12. > :03:16.don't need to say much and I can let them feel good about it, they get an
:03:17. > :03:21.extra day off and we go back to work knowing we still have a long way to
:03:22. > :03:24.go. He spoke to me on five live sport yesterday and he said he wants
:03:25. > :03:32.to celebrate and at the same time kill some of his players after that
:03:33. > :03:39.performance! I liked his line, I may be stupid but I'm stubborn! That was
:03:40. > :03:43.it. I think we talk about Alan Pardew in a moment, the fact he
:03:44. > :03:46.might be under pressure. I noticed yesterday Bob Bradley before the
:03:47. > :03:51.game was the favourite with the bookies to lose his job. He's only
:03:52. > :03:57.been here five minutes, give him a chance to have a go with the players
:03:58. > :03:59.he inherited. They got going into real circumstances, I watched the
:04:00. > :04:05.highlights, I can echo what Martin said about the defending. One of
:04:06. > :04:11.those games, a freak. It's the kind of result that you could use to
:04:12. > :04:16.springboard your season, really, given they had to come back and the
:04:17. > :04:23.nature of that. If it had been 1-0 Swansea would it have felt like such
:04:24. > :04:27.a momentous victory? Bubbly not. He's an interesting character, I
:04:28. > :04:32.think there is a cultural snobbery towards American coaches in this
:04:33. > :04:36.country. I bumped into him 5-6 years ago and I said you interested in
:04:37. > :04:42.coming over to the Premier League and he said it's difficult, there is
:04:43. > :04:46.a cultural snobbery and Bruce Arena, one of the great coaches, said that
:04:47. > :04:50.as well. Remove the accident from Bob Bradley, he's not that different
:04:51. > :05:07.from other managers in pressurised situations. Just in general? From
:05:08. > :05:10.media, the fans? They say soccer, they said defence, things like that
:05:11. > :05:14.but there is a pretty experienced coach there. Does he deserve a job
:05:15. > :05:21.in the Premier League? That's a different argument. Its results,
:05:22. > :05:29.look at what he's achieved, you question is he the right man? Even
:05:30. > :05:35.after 3- war games? He's conceded against Man United. No character
:05:36. > :05:37.from his players, they lost a last-minute equaliser against
:05:38. > :05:43.Everton. Knocked the stuffing out of them. There is character there.
:05:44. > :05:48.Scratching the surface, yesterday, no doubt, the crowd played its part.
:05:49. > :05:53.As a player, when you leave the pitch, it feels like a double win,
:05:54. > :05:56.like it on you together and suddenly everything the manager says makes
:05:57. > :06:00.sense and it might just be the catalyst that fishes them because
:06:01. > :06:10.they've come off the foot of the table. Henry is spot on. I can say
:06:11. > :06:14.that, I am guilty. When we heard Bob Bradley speak, we smiled instantly,
:06:15. > :06:19.we hear an American talk about our sport but he's been around at all
:06:20. > :06:23.his life, knows what he is doing. For example, we get coaches who
:06:24. > :06:26.don't speak and dish as their first language, we don't mock them,
:06:27. > :06:31.because of the different terminology. We should give him
:06:32. > :06:37.credit. Also some of the said defence, depending what shall we are
:06:38. > :06:40.presenting! As far as Crystal Palace are concerned, twice every year we
:06:41. > :06:44.have a discussion about whether Alan Pardew might lose his job and that's
:06:45. > :06:51.not just a Crystal Palace, also when he was at Newcastle. Mainly because
:06:52. > :06:55.his teams go in really streaky runs, either they win a load on the trot
:06:56. > :07:03.or they lose, never seems to be a great deal of in between. I look at
:07:04. > :07:10.the team and I wonder about the leaders. I thought he was one of
:07:11. > :07:15.those individuals who would rally them, would talk, which showed grit
:07:16. > :07:19.and determination, Delaney as well. There is a debate on the fan forum
:07:20. > :07:23.about whether he should come back in, because he's a gritty defender
:07:24. > :07:27.who will talk to them and I don't know whether it's a quiet team, you
:07:28. > :07:30.would have to be in the dressing room to know, but they seem to be
:07:31. > :07:36.lacking leadership and that's not purely Pardew. You are not sure
:07:37. > :07:41.which one of the players he believes in. Every player at some point has
:07:42. > :07:47.been axed. Jason Puncheon last year, a shocking decision. Lassie is gone.
:07:48. > :07:57.Who does he believe in? You have to identify players. -- Bolasie. It
:07:58. > :08:00.goes up and down remarkably, Pardew is not aware of it, you feel there's
:08:01. > :08:05.an interview he wants to have when he is on a good run and I wonder if
:08:06. > :08:09.at times it pulls the players apart. Maybe they have to learn from the
:08:10. > :08:13.situation, I feel he has a really good set of players and he's not
:08:14. > :08:17.getting the best from them when he has got Benteke, the players that he
:08:18. > :08:22.wanted, that relationship between him and Steve Parish will be tested
:08:23. > :08:28.because there is a loyalty there. To put it into context, 2013-14 at
:08:29. > :08:33.Newcastle, he won ten of his first eight team but lost 14 out of the
:08:34. > :08:40.last 20. He joined Crystal Palace, 110 out of 18 Premier League games
:08:41. > :08:44.to keep them up, 15-16 nine out of 17 but just two of the remaining 21.
:08:45. > :08:51.It's remarkable, like a goal-scoring streak. We've been talking about
:08:52. > :08:56.leaders and big players, where is Yohan Cabaye? You should be running
:08:57. > :09:02.that team. Alan Pardew trusts him, had him as Newcastle, brought him
:09:03. > :09:05.back. I don't think they'll make a decision on it soon and I don't
:09:06. > :09:11.think they should. They are a better squad than they are showing, I think
:09:12. > :09:18.results will pick up. They are going to have to. They will. People like
:09:19. > :09:25.Benteke's defending was called into question yesterday, didn't seem to
:09:26. > :09:29.be up for it. Pardew, not long ago, Premier League Manager of the Year,
:09:30. > :09:34.his peers voted him. At school from the bottom to the top, top Chelsea
:09:35. > :09:38.and Spurs. If you had to pick one thing that impressed you most about
:09:39. > :09:43.Antonio Conte at the start of the season, what would it be? I could
:09:44. > :09:49.give you five. I don't want five, I want one. Half-time at the Arsenal
:09:50. > :09:53.game, the Emirates, after Mezut Ozil scored, the way he changed it, about
:09:54. > :10:02.ten minutes into the second half, three at the back. That changed it.
:10:03. > :10:06.It liberated Eden Hazard, allowed Pedro and Eden Hazard to get closer
:10:07. > :10:11.to Diego Costa. His man management work on Diego Costa has been
:10:12. > :10:18.interesting. In the first half, he was the old school Diego Costa, bull
:10:19. > :10:25.in a china shop and he obviously got into him at half-time. You saw the
:10:26. > :10:30.impact. I love it the way, you go to Stamford Bridge, he energised as the
:10:31. > :10:34.crowd with that animated behaviour. And when he comes into the press
:10:35. > :10:37.conference, he is not rude to other managers, doesn't play the mind
:10:38. > :10:46.games that Jose Mourinho dolls, gets animated and engaged. I feel he
:10:47. > :10:51.doesn't get the back-up of the back four, I don't think he understands
:10:52. > :10:55.the system well, plays with three, knows it inside out, it's a
:10:56. > :10:58.variation of the Italian system, not quite the same. Making good use of
:10:59. > :11:02.Pedro and Eden Hazard and yesterday, I thought Tottenham were finding a
:11:03. > :11:07.way through that to make it difficult. The isolated David Luiz,
:11:08. > :11:12.I didn't think anyone else had done that. A moment yesterday from
:11:13. > :11:18.Pochettino, I thought that was helpful, to see the way there was an
:11:19. > :11:22.issue with a challenge, he thought that Conte's staff were overreacting
:11:23. > :11:26.and I think that's something a manager does have a say over, how
:11:27. > :11:32.his staff react and he went and dealt with that very well. Good to
:11:33. > :11:41.see that healthy -- healthiness between the managers. Seven wins on
:11:42. > :11:48.the bounce, outstanding. I liken him to Jurgen Klopp. Passion and
:11:49. > :11:52.honesty. How he is on the touchline. One of the players, Thibaut Courtois
:11:53. > :11:56.was asked if he liked that in training, it must be exhausting? We
:11:57. > :12:01.know he is, that's not an act, the way he is on the touchline, he was
:12:02. > :12:04.like that with Italy and Juventus. This may sound ridiculous, I
:12:05. > :12:09.suppose, when you talk about coaching. Not all cultures seem to
:12:10. > :12:13.improve players, but he appears to be a coach, for all the talk of
:12:14. > :12:18.systems and all that, he has improved players that he has under
:12:19. > :12:22.his disposal. As Martin said, it's this system that liberated the
:12:23. > :12:29.players as well as improve them and the liberation is seen mainly on the
:12:30. > :12:32.right, in Victor Moses. He has just been outstanding. Whether that's
:12:33. > :12:35.improving or actually he's taken the shackles off them and created that
:12:36. > :12:40.platform they can express themselves. Moses knows he has to
:12:41. > :12:44.travel with the ball as fast and quick as he can into the right-wing
:12:45. > :12:49.berth. When he played right he wasn't quite sure of himself, now he
:12:50. > :12:57.is certain of his role and responsibility. David Luiz is never
:12:58. > :13:01.really exposed, I isolate him? Is its simplicity of instruction that
:13:02. > :13:06.allows players to improve, once you get to a certain level? Do you see
:13:07. > :13:12.what I mean? I think people underestimate the quality of a
:13:13. > :13:15.really top manager. Good layers, top manager in tandem, you can almost
:13:16. > :13:20.achieve anything. Clear direction, they need to know, these guys know
:13:21. > :13:24.they are believed in by the manager and they can see on the bench. Look
:13:25. > :13:30.over the shoulder, he is picking me about any other. Oscar and Fabregas,
:13:31. > :13:36.not getting near the team. These eyes on the pitch are free in their
:13:37. > :13:42.minds. Totally different players. Alan says I wish people would settle
:13:43. > :13:46.down and stop treating Conte and Jurgen Klopp like they are the
:13:47. > :13:49.Messiah. Gary Lineker said last night neither club has any European
:13:50. > :13:52.football this season, huge advantage, with the money and squads
:13:53. > :13:58.they should be in the tough four now. Federico says amazing coach,
:13:59. > :14:02.hated him as a player but I might think he's the best around. Let's go
:14:03. > :14:08.to the garage road. The first goal of the day has gone on. Stoke City,
:14:09. > :14:14.unlike legal. Charlie Adam with a header from a corner, hit the inside
:14:15. > :14:19.of the post, hit Gomez and gone in. I think that will be an own goal but
:14:20. > :14:26.it's no more than Stoke deserve, been impressive so far, and early
:14:27. > :14:34.shot flashed past the post, short of 25 yards, Stoke in sky blue colours,
:14:35. > :14:40.leading by a goal. Don't get Guy started on teams wearing the
:14:41. > :14:50.wickets. Do you want to respond? Either -- I remember at the Panini
:14:51. > :14:57.sticker album of 1978! I must go for a pint with you sometime! As for
:14:58. > :15:01.Antonio Conte and Jurgen Klopp, it's a valid point, they don't have
:15:02. > :15:08.European football, should be pushing on. But you can pull the wool over
:15:09. > :15:14.the fans eyes. This club haven't particularly taken, Benitez, taken
:15:15. > :15:23.time to adopt, get fully behind, 1-0 up, the first chant from the Chelsea
:15:24. > :15:27.fans, Antonio. It was Antonio Conte who was getting the plaudits. We
:15:28. > :15:32.need to have a word on Spurs. The first league defeat of the season.
:15:33. > :15:36.If you are looking at stats. And yet they've only won one out of the last
:15:37. > :15:37.ten in league and cup. Is the best way to look at it somewhere in
:15:38. > :15:48.between? For the club of that ambition, it
:15:49. > :15:52.was not the greatest bench. That reflects the injuries. They're
:15:53. > :15:57.missing other viral, Erik Lamela. Harry Kane was over seven weeks.
:15:58. > :16:05.Christian Eriksen has only started to come back to form. They have had
:16:06. > :16:09.issues with injuries. Toby Alderweireld is a massive mess. Is
:16:10. > :16:15.this pivotal season for Spurs? The new stadium is going to be built,
:16:16. > :16:22.there are talks about Harry Kane 's contract. They missed out on Michy
:16:23. > :16:26.Batshuayi in the summer. Is this a big season of deciding at boardroom
:16:27. > :16:31.level what kind of club they are going to be? They got Vincent
:16:32. > :16:35.Janssen instead. Pochettino has a reputation for bringing through the
:16:36. > :16:40.kids. He has given Harry Winks a chance. You can see the facilities
:16:41. > :16:44.they have got at their training centre. They have a fantastic
:16:45. > :16:51.academy setup. Daniel Levy will have to break through the wage structure.
:16:52. > :16:55.They will have to go through the ?100,000 a week March. They have got
:16:56. > :17:00.that constraint. They are ten years behind Arsenal. People will love
:17:01. > :17:03.that. Arsenal had the new stadium situation ten years ago. It stopped
:17:04. > :17:08.Arsenal from buying the players they needed to to compete because of the
:17:09. > :17:11.expense of the stadium. Spurs are doing well to compete. The only
:17:12. > :17:16.embarrassment is the way they went out of the Champions League. That is
:17:17. > :17:20.maybe a link to the fact that, to play at Wembley, as we did, it was
:17:21. > :17:25.the only two seasons that Arsenal did not qualify for the latter
:17:26. > :17:30.stages. There is never a home game. Forget about the performances at
:17:31. > :17:34.Wembley. If they want to play Vilani Premier League next season, that is
:17:35. > :17:39.another thing to think about, it could affect them. For long periods
:17:40. > :17:49.yesterday, Spurs played well. Callum says that the better team lost. He
:17:50. > :17:53.is right. Pochettino is an intelligent, composed manager. He is
:17:54. > :18:00.very balanced. I expect them to finish in the top four. It will be a
:18:01. > :18:05.difficult situation. It is not an easy Premier League. Man United are
:18:06. > :18:10.already 11 points behind the top team today. Tottenham are having a
:18:11. > :18:16.decent season. At Anfield yesterday, Liverpool had to work hard. You were
:18:17. > :18:19.there. Yes, I heard lots of people complaining afterwards saying it was
:18:20. > :18:23.only Sunderland. Sunderland have come off the back of two victories.
:18:24. > :18:29.They frustrated them with their game plan. It took them ages, but they
:18:30. > :18:33.still broken down. They will not win the league with performances like
:18:34. > :18:41.that, people say. They will not have to play like that. They missed
:18:42. > :18:45.Coutinho. The scan is a massive thing. He left the ground on
:18:46. > :18:49.crutches. He is a super player. Probably a top three performance in
:18:50. > :18:53.the Premier League this season. He came on and had an impact. There
:18:54. > :18:58.will be worried people about it in you. Let's hear from Jurgen Klopp.
:18:59. > :19:04.You spoke to him afterwards. This interview has been picked up
:19:05. > :19:09.everywhere. When you read it it implies one thing. When you hear
:19:10. > :19:12.that it is something else. We will get your interpretation later. This
:19:13. > :19:20.was maybe the most defensive team I ever saw in my life. Sunderland
:19:21. > :19:26.always plays and defensive style. That is OK. We forced them to be
:19:27. > :19:30.very defensive. Victor Anichebe has played the left fullback. They had
:19:31. > :19:37.one striker and nine defenders if you want. That is the most thing in
:19:38. > :19:43.world football, to come through. We had our chances, we stayed cool, we
:19:44. > :19:49.stayed concentrated. We worked for the moment. We got the moment and we
:19:50. > :19:52.deserved the three points. Explain how you interpret that? If you read
:19:53. > :19:58.that, you think, they parked the bus, how dare they? I do not think
:19:59. > :20:02.he meant that, but that is the headline. I think it was purely an
:20:03. > :20:08.observation. How difficult the challenge was? Sunderland have
:20:09. > :20:11.played a big team and sat back because they did not have the
:20:12. > :20:16.quality to match them like-for-like. I do not think it was meant. It may
:20:17. > :20:21.have been a little bit, but it was not meant as a pop. It was going off
:20:22. > :20:26.on the touchline during the game. Maybe he was agreed that that. He
:20:27. > :20:33.has got to get used to that. He said, it is OK, that is absolutely
:20:34. > :20:37.OK. They had 72% possession. Remarkable. Sunderland did not start
:20:38. > :20:42.that way. They had chances. In the first 20 minutes they try to have a
:20:43. > :20:47.go. But as the game went on, Liverpool had so much of the ball.
:20:48. > :20:50.It was a natural reaction. For the teams that are challenging, you will
:20:51. > :20:55.have to break down what is in front of you. Coutinho is a big mess.
:20:56. > :21:01.Lallana needs to come back quickly as well. He scores the goals, it is
:21:02. > :21:07.remarkable. The chances that he misses. Jurgen Klopp creates an
:21:08. > :21:10.energy. These are outstanding managers. It is great to see them
:21:11. > :21:16.plying their trade in our Premier League. Yesterday, he virtually went
:21:17. > :21:22.into the crowd. They had to pull him out. He wanted more from the Anfield
:21:23. > :21:26.faithful. If you are a supporter, do not underestimate what you bring to
:21:27. > :21:31.the party. The atmosphere is outstanding. He is adding to that.
:21:32. > :21:35.He gets a performance from his team and he celebrates. As long as there
:21:36. > :21:42.is control, I love to see it. He has to be careful his team do not go too
:21:43. > :21:46.far. He only knows one way to behave, does his team only know one
:21:47. > :21:52.way how to play? They can go a long way if they can control it,
:21:53. > :21:57.Liverpool. Klopp improves players. He has raced Adam Lallana. I thought
:21:58. > :22:02.that Adam Lallana was a 67 minute player, fantastic on highlights. Now
:22:03. > :22:07.he is scoring late on, he has sustained stamina. He has influence
:22:08. > :22:11.and he does practical things, like playing James Milner at left back.
:22:12. > :22:20.He had to do it, but he has been outstanding, James Milner. They like
:22:21. > :22:26.penalty taking fullbacks in Liverpool. He will become a legend.
:22:27. > :22:30.I like the energy he has. He has seen through the Punch and Judy
:22:31. > :22:32.approach that the English have to football. It is always about
:22:33. > :22:39.individuals rather than philosophy and tactics. His interview with you
:22:40. > :22:44.is a case in point. He was making some cam, tactical points. It does
:22:45. > :22:49.not have to be a dig at the opposition, it could be something he
:22:50. > :22:53.has observed. If we're going to keep that going, does David Moyes deserve
:22:54. > :22:58.credit for how he employed Jason deny yesterday, trying to sniff out
:22:59. > :23:01.Coutinho? If we're going to go big on the foreign manager coming in are
:23:02. > :23:08.doing brilliantly with this tactic, and this tactic, I know David Moyes
:23:09. > :23:12.lost 2-0, but did he get his tactics right? In the first 20 minutes,
:23:13. > :23:18.Jason Denayer was following Coutinho wherever he went. We did not expect
:23:19. > :23:22.that. When Coutinho went off, Jason Denayer did not know who to follow
:23:23. > :23:28.for a while. He had the game plan and it newly worked. That said,
:23:29. > :23:33.Sadio Mane missed chances. Other chances went by the wayside. On
:23:34. > :23:38.another day it could have been four, a different game. Shane has said,
:23:39. > :23:43.what did you expect from Sunderland? We do not have the luxury of players
:23:44. > :23:47.like Divock Origi, Sadio Mane or Coutinho. We will sit back and
:23:48. > :23:52.defend. Jurgen Klopp, let's see what you could do with a team like ours.
:23:53. > :23:57.If we had played attacking football we would have been torn apart.
:23:58. > :24:06.Talking about the influence of fans, when I used to go do, what did that
:24:07. > :24:13.do? It made me play better. You are a Manchester United fan. I would
:24:14. > :24:19.have bid you whoever I supported. Let's come on to Manchester City and
:24:20. > :24:33.Burnley. Manchester City went with a sturdier team. There was Fernando,
:24:34. > :24:38.Yaya Toure. Players were left out. That is what I like about Guardiola.
:24:39. > :24:42.Everyone thought it was going to be beautiful football, Barcelona in the
:24:43. > :24:47.north-west, but he can mix it up. Gritty performances. At the end of
:24:48. > :24:50.this season, people will not necessarily remember the beauty of
:24:51. > :24:55.games in this period, but they are picking up points. He's turning them
:24:56. > :25:00.into your machine. You can question the marking, but Aguero is always
:25:01. > :25:05.there. He can give you a threat. That is why he is so clever. Two
:25:06. > :25:12.similar away games they have had Palace and Burnley away. They have
:25:13. > :25:17.had to begin. Guardiola has spoken about how he keeps learning,
:25:18. > :25:22.understanding. When he was manager at Barcelona, we said, how weak they
:25:23. > :25:27.cope with Stoke? He's doing it. He is making sure that the centre
:25:28. > :25:33.Discover. Great to see Yaya Toure feature in both of those games. He
:25:34. > :25:37.plays both sides of the game, nitty-gritty stuff. If they had
:25:38. > :25:42.taken him at Arsenal ahead of Patrick Viera, it could have been
:25:43. > :25:46.very different for Arsenal. He is a wonderful player, Yaya Toure. Great
:25:47. > :25:51.to see him back. They have patched up their differences and we can see
:25:52. > :25:55.him every week. Guardiola has controlled that situation well. Yaya
:25:56. > :26:00.Toure's agent was making these comments. Guardiola said, I am going
:26:01. > :26:06.to play you when I think you're ready, when you're fit. When your
:26:07. > :26:10.agent has come down. Guardiola has controlled that situation
:26:11. > :26:13.brilliantly. If I was to play devil's advocate, could he have
:26:14. > :26:17.sorted it out sooner, so that Yaya Toure was available before the
:26:18. > :26:23.middle of November? Possibly. Maybe he thought he was not fit enough.
:26:24. > :26:27.Now he is lean and ready to go. To come back and play that well so
:26:28. > :26:33.quickly, it shows you the classy player has. When you see the players
:26:34. > :26:38.celebrating with him, it seems to have pulled the group together. He
:26:39. > :26:45.has come in from the cold. It has helped them. We talk about intensity
:26:46. > :26:48.with Klopp and Conte. It is a different sort of intensity with
:26:49. > :26:52.Guardiola. I get the feeling they never sleeps. It is like he spends
:26:53. > :26:59.every second thinking about football. On match days years on
:27:00. > :27:04.edge. It looks like he has his Dover sole about midnight. Can you imagine
:27:05. > :27:14.your roll full working day without eating? It is not the healthiest.
:27:15. > :27:17.Arsene Wenger is the Arsenal manager, he manages everything to do
:27:18. > :27:22.with that football club. I think it is the same with Guardiola. I have
:27:23. > :27:27.got to speak about the back page on the Mirror. Some of the gestures
:27:28. > :27:32.from the family section of Burnley to Raheem Sterling were out of
:27:33. > :27:38.order. I would agree. Nice of you to cover that up in case anyone can
:27:39. > :27:48.see. Let's go from City to United. They play West Ham at Old Trafford
:27:49. > :27:56.this afternoon. Mourinho thinks they are still in the title race.
:27:57. > :28:01.When I won the last title 18 years ago...
:28:02. > :28:04.Sorry, 18 months ago, I had a ten point advantage
:28:05. > :28:19.and then in one month I had the same points as Man City.
:28:20. > :28:24.During the season there are moments everything goes against you,
:28:25. > :28:27.or everything goes in your favour so we know it is not over.
:28:28. > :28:30.There is a distance and many quality teams, so it is a difficult
:28:31. > :28:34.competition, but let's see what happens.
:28:35. > :28:47.Is he right, Henry Winter? He is a good manager. They are 12 points
:28:48. > :28:51.away from the top. When you look at the squad, the players, the
:28:52. > :28:53.potential of Rashford, the experience of Wayne Rooney, Zlatan
:28:54. > :28:59.Ibrahimovic who has won titles everywhere. He has been unfortunate
:29:00. > :29:04.with some injuries, particularly defensively. Phil Jones has stepped
:29:05. > :29:12.in. The amount of money that squad is being paid, they should be
:29:13. > :29:18.competing for the title. He is what journalists call an optician.
:29:19. > :29:23.Everything is either, I. You would not have got Arsene Wenger doing
:29:24. > :29:27.that. He is bringing in the players. He has handled the Rooney situation
:29:28. > :29:33.well by stamping down on the FA, backing Wayne Rooney. Everything
:29:34. > :29:38.tends to end up with the Mourinho headline, but if Rooney scores today
:29:39. > :29:42.and equal Sir Bobby Charlton's record, or if he scores twice and
:29:43. > :29:44.eclipses it, it will be difficult for Mourinho to gate-crash that
:29:45. > :29:50.headline. It is about getting results. You did pick up on what he
:29:51. > :29:59.was saying. He said, I won this, I won that. As a manager and players,
:30:00. > :30:03.you win or lose together. In that situation, he could not necessarily
:30:04. > :30:09.say we. He has now the Manchester United manager. I was a part of a
:30:10. > :30:14.very successful situation. It was not just me. That is how he manages.
:30:15. > :30:16.But he is right. When you are at the top of the table, you never know if
:30:17. > :30:21.you're going to win the Championship. There is
:30:22. > :30:29.inconsistency. That is the landscape. There is no excellence
:30:30. > :30:34.from anybody. When he was at Chelsea, if you lost again, you
:30:35. > :30:37.could not recover. Now you can. In the Sunday Times today, Graeme
:30:38. > :30:41.Souness has done his column on Manchester United and West Ham. He
:30:42. > :30:47.says he is not sure that probably knows what he's doing in that
:30:48. > :30:49.midfield. Does he know his role? He also says, maybe West Ham have seen
:30:50. > :30:55.the best of Dimitri Payet. You can argue both of those. Pogba
:30:56. > :31:08.has had a more defined role. Michael played on Saturday and Thursday. I
:31:09. > :31:12.can't see him bringing Schneiderlin back in. It may be that he will have
:31:13. > :31:18.to change rules slightly again today. I disagree rather with
:31:19. > :31:26.Martin. I don't think anybody is out of the title race. We have to call
:31:27. > :31:31.it around October, November. Until after Christmas, when Man City won
:31:32. > :31:38.the league in 2012, they were eight points behind with eight games to
:31:39. > :31:42.play. Look at that fully fit squad, potentially a bench with Rooney,
:31:43. > :31:48.unbelievable talent on the bench, waiting to play. They have got to
:31:49. > :31:53.win today. Do you think in recent games, a lot of United fans say the
:31:54. > :31:58.performances have been better than the results in the last month? And a
:31:59. > :32:05.lot of fans will tell you that's because Michael Carrick has come
:32:06. > :32:08.back in, the shape he is provided, he is very much the sitting
:32:09. > :32:13.midfielder and what's interesting, a couple of occasions when Valencia
:32:14. > :32:19.was pushing up and Carrick would slot in at right back. He has that
:32:20. > :32:26.housing range. He invariably looks forward and I think as you say, he's
:32:27. > :32:28.improved Pogba, Juan Mata playing well, Ander Herrera. I think they've
:32:29. > :32:35.been slightly unfortunate not getting points. You mention Herrera
:32:36. > :32:40.and character, coming from behind, not first choices. You identify the
:32:41. > :32:47.players who will do the best job for you straightaway. Isn't that the
:32:48. > :32:51.sign of a good manager? Carrick was in starting, Ander Herrera, I agree
:32:52. > :32:56.you can rewind and say he should have made those decisions first but
:32:57. > :33:00.he reacted to an initial mistake. If he'd done it before, you could argue
:33:01. > :33:05.he didn't see that early enough within the squad and people being
:33:06. > :33:13.shelved and not used. We perceive him as dogmatic and not changing.
:33:14. > :33:16.The ones who have come in, the ones he wanted to play didn't necessarily
:33:17. > :33:20.do the business so it'll be interesting to see what he does
:33:21. > :33:24.today with Rashford, Rooney. Ibrahimovic has been offered a new
:33:25. > :33:29.contract. I think that's a good move, he's a good person to have
:33:30. > :33:33.around those young players but Anthony Martial, it looks as if they
:33:34. > :33:38.are unsure. You have to manage it in a way you see fit but we judging by
:33:39. > :33:42.results and at the moment they are a long way from winning the Premier
:33:43. > :33:48.League. West Ham in a moment playing Manchester United and Arsenal next
:33:49. > :33:51.week, just above the bottom three. The half-time whistle has gone at
:33:52. > :33:59.Vicarage Road, a good first for the visitors. Stoke City leading by 1-0,
:34:00. > :34:04.Watford had a chance to go six in the table but they are fluffing the
:34:05. > :34:10.lines so far. You can hear booing in the background for the referee Bobby
:34:11. > :34:15.madly, who has made a range of decisions upsetting the home camp.
:34:16. > :34:20.Charlie Adams heading from a corner, hit the inside of the post,
:34:21. > :34:29.ricocheted in off a radio Gomez, into the net. Some nice touches
:34:30. > :34:39.shown for Stoke. A final word for West Ham, they have got Man United
:34:40. > :34:43.midweek, then Arsenal next week. With all due respect to the EFL cup,
:34:44. > :34:48.this is the one that matters, Perl is the close to the bottom three. We
:34:49. > :34:53.talk about Alan Pardew, where is Slaven village? He acknowledges he
:34:54. > :34:57.has to get results quickly, I can't see them getting anything today, it
:34:58. > :35:05.would be a big surprise if they win today. He's an outstanding manager.
:35:06. > :35:08.Look at what they did last season. I think you can point the finger at
:35:09. > :35:12.some of the players, we talked about Dmitri Payet, linked with a move to
:35:13. > :35:19.Manchester United. By one of the papers. I am sure there is substance
:35:20. > :35:23.in it but he needs to start delivering to justify headlines and
:35:24. > :35:27.potential moves. Payet was outstanding last season but he
:35:28. > :35:33.doesn't look 100% focused. Let's move to Arsenal against Bournemouth.
:35:34. > :35:40.I tell you what, we hear from Nathan Aki first of all. He's on loan at
:35:41. > :35:49.Bournemouth from Chelsea. We hear him now. Have you had much contact
:35:50. > :35:59.with Antonio Conte? What's the relationship like? Not with the
:36:00. > :36:04.manager, no. But I keep in contact with people like Eddie Newton, they
:36:05. > :36:08.help you, try to see the games and save what they think. They try to
:36:09. > :36:13.help you, try to improve, let them make you ready. Arsenal at the
:36:14. > :36:15.weekend, Arsen Wenger in one technical area, Eddie Howe in
:36:16. > :36:21.another, people suggesting that Eddie Howe might fit the Arsenal
:36:22. > :36:27.technical area well in the future? Do you see him as an Arsenal
:36:28. > :36:31.manager? Yes, I think he's a good manager, why not? He plays good
:36:32. > :36:35.football, expressive, he wants to play attacking, attractive football
:36:36. > :36:39.and I think Arsenal does that as well.
:36:40. > :36:43.I would argue that snye on an impossible question for a player on
:36:44. > :36:46.loan from Chelsea to Bournemouth to be asked about whether he could be
:36:47. > :36:54.the next Arsenal manager? How do you answer that? Yes, he should go to
:36:55. > :36:58.Arsenal. No, he's not a good manager. Where do you go with that?
:36:59. > :37:03.I know you are a massive Eddie Howe fan and youth trumped him for
:37:04. > :37:08.England and everything. This is a test of his credentials? Yes but he
:37:09. > :37:13.seems to keep us in these tests. The players like him, his tactics are
:37:14. > :37:18.good, good with the media, for many people that's important. He's been
:37:19. > :37:22.linked with the Arsenal job, quite substantial step. What has been
:37:23. > :37:28.interesting, how he has worked with Jack Wilshere. I think if Jack had
:37:29. > :37:37.played, he would have given 100%. Do you think you should be allowed to
:37:38. > :37:40.play? Absolutely. Absolutely. I was watching the Bournemouth players
:37:41. > :37:46.arrive. Forgive me. Should players who are on loan be allowed to play
:37:47. > :37:55.the parent club? Yes. No. Back to your point. I can't remember what it
:37:56. > :37:57.was. Jack has been good at Bournemouth, great work by the
:37:58. > :38:03.scientists and sports and his determination to play these
:38:04. > :38:05.back-to-back games. But I think it's important, significant for Eddie
:38:06. > :38:11.Howe because it shows he can work with her named players because
:38:12. > :38:16.that's the issue. Going to Arsenal might be more of a test ban going to
:38:17. > :38:19.England, you feel it should be an Englishman managing England, as we
:38:20. > :38:23.found out with Gareth Southgate who should be appointed in the next 72
:38:24. > :38:32.hours. I can see Eddie Howe longer term. But he's a pretty special
:38:33. > :38:36.young man. Career-wise? We talked earlier, that's bigger than the
:38:37. > :38:41.England job, Eddie Howe going to Arsenal. We've not got many
:38:42. > :38:45.candidates. Gareth Southgate is one step ahead of Eddie Howe. But in the
:38:46. > :38:49.future, I am sure Eddie Howe will be someone that England and the FA
:38:50. > :38:53.would look to. Going back to Jack was sure, people seem to have
:38:54. > :38:57.forgotten, when he plays for Arsenal he has to play every three days and
:38:58. > :39:01.he's not in contention to be selected, when he said Bournemouth,
:39:02. > :39:09.it's every seven days. It's easier for Eddie Howe to get him onto the
:39:10. > :39:14.pitch than Arsen Wenger. IC a route back for Jack was sure at the end of
:39:15. > :39:19.the season. Wenger wants him. Would you advise him to sign a new
:39:20. > :39:24.contract? There would need to be reassuring says he will feature. And
:39:25. > :39:28.if he didn't get those? Would you say stay you are? He'll be given
:39:29. > :39:35.those and I feel that Arsen Wenger will do that, honestly, but he's
:39:36. > :39:41.allowed Jacqueline this what Arsenal fans after the draw with PSG during
:39:42. > :39:47.the week were saying, Wenger, then Santi Cazorla isn't there, Wenger
:39:48. > :39:54.doesn't seem to know what his best midfield two is and that's a
:39:55. > :39:58.problem. That isn't going to be good, that uncertainty. For Jack,
:39:59. > :40:02.it's about proving fitness, part of that, go on loan to Bournemouth.
:40:03. > :40:07.When he comes back to Arsenal, he has to play every three days, can
:40:08. > :40:14.he? That will be the challenge. Step one would be proved and what's
:40:15. > :40:18.surprising, they paid 35 and for another who isn't playing. Is it a
:40:19. > :40:23.case of waiting for him to be ready but if I was Jack, I'd be thinking I
:40:24. > :40:28.need to get back at some point, it is unfinished business. On Jack
:40:29. > :40:33.Wilshere, the conundrum for Arsenal, if he has a good season with
:40:34. > :40:38.Bournemouth and decides to end his loner, go back to Arsenal, there
:40:39. > :40:43.will be so many clubs interested in Jack Wilshere and they'll see an
:40:44. > :40:48.opportunity to try and get him and what do Arsenal do? We are not going
:40:49. > :40:55.to send you back on loan to the club like Bournemouth, no disrespect. I
:40:56. > :40:59.tell you what. Put yourself in his position, if he's got bigger clubs,
:41:00. > :41:05.Champions League clubs coming for him, what's he going to do? It's
:41:06. > :41:08.taken note of Arsenal's cans. It is Jack's while Emma, he has to give up
:41:09. > :41:12.the team of history was to go somewhere else, which is best,
:41:13. > :41:15.bigger, to play run the risk and go back to Arsenal but I feel Wenger
:41:16. > :41:21.would let him go if he wasn't going to play. To a potential rival? If he
:41:22. > :41:26.would secure the value of the player. But ultimately, if he's not
:41:27. > :41:31.playing Jack Wilshere, he'll allow him to leave, just as he allowed him
:41:32. > :41:35.to go on long. I enjoy this tennis but we spent three minutes talking
:41:36. > :41:37.about one player, to go back to your earlier point, this is why I'd love
:41:38. > :41:48.to see him play against Arsenal today. Why can't we? If they are big
:41:49. > :41:54.enough to let him go on long... Maybe, I don't know, the end of the
:41:55. > :41:58.season, two games to go is that right? I don't thinks so. Let's talk
:41:59. > :42:02.Southampton Everton to finish with, Ronald Koeman going back to St Mary
:42:03. > :42:07.is, said he hopes the fans will respect him. Southampton could go
:42:08. > :42:11.within two points of Everton, sticky situation, one went out of seven.
:42:12. > :42:15.There is still a buzz about the place. You see the work they are
:42:16. > :42:24.doing, the kids they have coming through. This is and this was and
:42:25. > :42:30.has been going for a while, they are thinking long term. I am sure it
:42:31. > :42:37.will be some doing there but he is a good manager. The great thing about
:42:38. > :42:41.him, he won't agree. He's one of the toughest, self-confident individuals
:42:42. > :42:45.I have ever met stop up there with Jose Mourinho and he's done it as a
:42:46. > :42:50.player. His personal ambition took away from Southampton, he was doing
:42:51. > :42:54.a great job and he sees himself alongside the likes of Guardiola and
:42:55. > :42:59.he thinks he can do that with Everton. That is a sleeping giant,
:43:00. > :43:02.having played there, money being ploughed on, the next transfer
:43:03. > :43:08.window will be interesting. Not much between the teams. Henry made the
:43:09. > :43:12.key point, he won't care but on the other side, from the fans point of
:43:13. > :43:19.view, they will view it as, hang on, a bit of a snob. And when he starts
:43:20. > :43:24.to take some Southampton players in January they will dislike him even
:43:25. > :43:30.more. Thank you for all of your comments, plenty on Jack was sure.
:43:31. > :43:35.Looks as five waste him as a player, he won't achieve potential because
:43:36. > :43:39.of injuries. Janus says lay-off Jack, he had the courage to leave
:43:40. > :43:45.and get more playing time and get himself fit and sharp after injury.
:43:46. > :43:48.Thank you to die, Henry and Martin, four games today, five live sports
:43:49. > :43:55.extra as coverage of the second half had been Watford and Stoke, still
:43:56. > :44:01.bleeding 1-0. We'll see you for Match of the Day to an BBC One
:44:02. > :44:03.later. Good wife. -- goodbye.