:00:09. > :00:45.Good afternoon. We are on BBC One and the BBC sport website this lunch
:00:46. > :00:49.time. We have John Monson, former Everton and Republic of Ireland
:00:50. > :01:10.midfielder Kevin Kilbane and England and Chelsea two Eni Aluko. In the
:01:11. > :01:15.next 45 minutes this is what we will be discussing. Rooney sees red,
:01:16. > :01:19.Diego Costa cannot stop scoring, Frank Lampard is still scoring for
:01:20. > :01:29.Manchester City, Derby day deadlock on Mars -- Merseyside and in north
:01:30. > :01:33.London. And no joking matter, is his job on the line? Wayne Rooney and
:01:34. > :01:37.the Ryder Cup dominating the back pages today. The Sunday express has
:01:38. > :01:45.a picture of him celebrating his goal yesterday. The Sunday Times
:01:46. > :01:50.have done a massive interview with him, before the red card. Including
:01:51. > :02:00.the quote "have I fulfilled my potential? " The mirror focusing on
:02:01. > :02:05.Frank Lampard. Interesting from Rob Draper in the mail on Sunday,
:02:06. > :02:13.talking about Arsenal's Academy. Saying that Arsene Wenger must start
:02:14. > :02:21.again with his academy plans. And inside they focus on Alan Pardew.
:02:22. > :02:25.Saying that David Moyes is apparently being lined up to replace
:02:26. > :02:33.Alan Pardew. Before we get to force an rain Rooney -- false on Wayne
:02:34. > :02:43.Rooney we can hear from Louis van Gaal. Yes, it was a break-out of a
:02:44. > :02:54.set play of hours. He makes a professional foul, I think. You can
:02:55. > :03:00.call it bad. - hours -- ours. I do not think Wayne wanted to do it like
:03:01. > :03:09.this but he did it and you can give the red card. Do you think that was
:03:10. > :03:15.a professional foul? I think he intended it as a professional foul,
:03:16. > :03:20.it was a counterattack. Four recovering defenders so why did he
:03:21. > :03:28.do that? I think it was reckless. There was no need for him to lash
:03:29. > :03:32.out. A professional foul, you have being taught it is a bit discreet.
:03:33. > :03:41.The problem was it was reckless. It was violent. Sakho did a similar
:03:42. > :03:45.foul and got a yellow card. You were there, talking to Manchester United
:03:46. > :03:52.fans, some of them thought it should only have been yellow. It was the
:03:53. > :03:56.height. Absolutely, I was besieged by fans at the ground and hotel
:03:57. > :04:04.saying it was harsh. In the end I said, watch mansion that a and C
:04:05. > :04:11.where he catches him. -- watch and you will see where he catches him. I
:04:12. > :04:15.thought Rooney lost his temper. I thought there had been a
:04:16. > :04:19.half-hearted appeal for handball against West Ham and we have seen
:04:20. > :04:27.Rooney do this before. It was the red mist again. It's looks awful,
:04:28. > :04:31.Kevin, every time you see it. There was red mist? We have seen it from
:04:32. > :04:36.him before. He talks about being more mature or on and off the pitch.
:04:37. > :04:41.As a captain you need to have that maturity. I would not want to
:04:42. > :04:45.condemn him for that because he scored a great goal, if I am looking
:04:46. > :04:52.at the positive side, I know that the foul, you are talking about the
:04:53. > :04:58.discrete files, Rooney could have clipped his heels. -- discreet
:04:59. > :05:04.fouls. He will get a three-game ban and justifiably so. Overall, Wayne
:05:05. > :05:08.Rooney in great form, that is probably when he is in his best
:05:09. > :05:15.form, on the edge. We have seen that from him for 15 years. Do have to
:05:16. > :05:19.take into account, I know it is the new age, but he is the captain not
:05:20. > :05:25.only of Manchester United, but also of England and there was a time of
:05:26. > :05:29.people would say he should set a better example. Is that why, for
:05:30. > :05:33.example, if it had been Stewart Downing on Wayne Rooney, I know for
:05:34. > :05:41.a fact we would not have started the show with that. Even if Wayne Rooney
:05:42. > :05:44.was not Manchester United and England captain we could still have
:05:45. > :05:49.started with it because he is Wayne Rooney but given he has the
:05:50. > :05:52.captaincy, is that a good enough reason to be discussing it first
:05:53. > :05:58.question my van Gaal said he has some special treatment because he is
:05:59. > :06:03.captain. So he has to accept the responsibility as well. That is
:06:04. > :06:08.exactly right, any player who has worn the armband for Manchester
:06:09. > :06:14.United knows the weight of expectations. Rooney knows that. I
:06:15. > :06:18.look at it both ways. Everybody will talk about it and he can continue
:06:19. > :06:25.being Wayne Rooney, people can leave him alone. But it could be really
:06:26. > :06:27.bad in the sense that now people are questioning whether he can be
:06:28. > :06:33.Manchester United and England captain because of this kind of
:06:34. > :06:37.behaviour. I think he is going to have to learn and grow into the
:06:38. > :06:43.role. And learned that you cannot really make rash decisions like
:06:44. > :06:47.that. But United won the game so van Gaal is smiling. If they had not won
:06:48. > :06:52.the game again, throwing more points you way like against Leicester, it
:06:53. > :07:03.would not have sat well with him. But he can move on, but he now has
:07:04. > :07:07.to be without Rooney fit the games coming up. "Rooney should never have
:07:08. > :07:12.been given captaincy, he does not have the temperament". People saying
:07:13. > :07:19.they are making a mountain out of a mole Hill. For temperament,
:07:20. > :07:25.inconsistent form. Not the qualities I look for. I know what you're
:07:26. > :07:30.saying about England captaincy, but a lot of captains have not been
:07:31. > :07:37.angels. Even going back to the 60s and 70s they were not angels. But
:07:38. > :07:43.not many were sent off twice playing for England. It is a different game.
:07:44. > :07:50.I accept this is a new era. I'm just reflecting the view of quite a few
:07:51. > :07:54.of our older viewers. I read Matt Dickinson, a book on Bobby Moore,
:07:55. > :07:59.one of the passages that was serialised including Bobby Moore
:08:00. > :08:02.going out and rather than going round about, went over the round
:08:03. > :08:06.about, left his car on the roundabout disappeared. If an
:08:07. > :08:12.England captain did that today, it would not just be on the back pages.
:08:13. > :08:20.And that is the scrutiny Wayne Rooney is under. I do not want to
:08:21. > :08:24.condemn him, blowing it out of proportion. I get that it was try
:08:25. > :08:30.break-out plate but it was more how high the tackle was. All he was
:08:31. > :08:35.trying to do was stop an attack. I know there were bodies back, Phil
:08:36. > :08:38.Neville pointed that out, there were bodies back for United. I remember
:08:39. > :08:44.right gigs doing a similar thing against Arsenal. You want geeks
:08:45. > :08:51.taken out early and they did not do that. He scored that wonderful goal.
:08:52. > :08:57.It is what can happen. "Why is the media treating him like this? "
:08:58. > :09:00.Nemanja Vidic, Eric Cantona and Roy Keane are described as fearless
:09:01. > :09:09.leaders. His captaincy has just started. " He was everywhere for the
:09:10. > :09:13.60 minutes, he missed one tackle and everyone is acting like the bloke
:09:14. > :09:18.killed someone close. Kevin's point is that if United had not held on it
:09:19. > :09:22.would have been a different matter. Wayne Rooney after the game was
:09:23. > :09:26.probably very relieved. It actually takes away slightly from the fact he
:09:27. > :09:35.could have cost his team three points. They were unlucky not to
:09:36. > :09:42.score. If they had not won the game, that is a completely different
:09:43. > :09:48.story. We would be saying he has cost his team the game. And one
:09:49. > :09:52.other point, forgetting it was Rooney, the referee was in a very
:09:53. > :09:57.good position, Lee Mason will stop from where he was that tackle
:09:58. > :10:01.definitely came under the heading of violent or reckless conduct. The law
:10:02. > :10:06.says that is a red card whether it is Wayne Rooney or anybody else. On
:10:07. > :10:11.the offside would you have been disappointed question my it is
:10:12. > :10:16.clearly offside. You have seen the pictures. If you are marginally
:10:17. > :10:21.offside you offside. I understand Big Sam but clear cut your offside.
:10:22. > :10:24.For everything you go back, you see replays afterwards and you will be
:10:25. > :10:32.able to scrutinise it, but Kevin Nolan was offside. It is probably a
:10:33. > :10:36.correct decision technically speaking. It is the correct
:10:37. > :10:41.decision. But from the striker 's perspective it is incredibly harsh.
:10:42. > :10:45.There has been goal scored. He reached the stage now where if
:10:46. > :10:50.something has a fingernail ahead the flag goes up. There was a man in
:10:51. > :11:01.charge of the FAA called Philip Don -- FA. He recommended to Fifa that
:11:02. > :11:06.the law should say, is their daylight? That would clarify the
:11:07. > :11:10.situation. You have to give the assistant credit, so many times you
:11:11. > :11:14.miss the decision. If ripping a different story if it had gone
:11:15. > :11:19.against United but he got the decision right, spot on. Great
:11:20. > :11:28.decision. If that had gone against UU would have said, well done,
:11:29. > :11:34.linesmen. Of course! Let's move on to Chelsea. Another three points and
:11:35. > :11:39.another goal from Diego Costa. Jose Mourinho. Know, the gamble is to
:11:40. > :11:46.play him in consecutive matches without a minimum of a week to
:11:47. > :11:54.recover from his situation. The accumulation is the problem. The
:11:55. > :12:00.human nation that made him -- the accumulation. But we are not giving
:12:01. > :12:12.him that because he is not playing three matches in a week. He has had
:12:13. > :12:15.15 shots on target in six games. Three shots on target more than
:12:16. > :12:24.Aston Villa in that game yesterday. And yet we keep being told that he
:12:25. > :12:29.is not fully fit. That is the scary problem. His movement in the box, to
:12:30. > :12:34.create space for himself, the goal he scored yesterday was brilliant
:12:35. > :12:40.movement. But he is doing that time and again. If he is not fit what is
:12:41. > :12:46.he going to be like at 100%? You cannot see any other striker,
:12:47. > :12:52.Ronaldo, maybe Messi, but Premier League football there is no better.
:12:53. > :12:57.He has this hamstring treatment, you are at Chelsea, the same medical
:12:58. > :13:01.facilities, do you think Chelsea are going about this the right way,
:13:02. > :13:09.managing it the right way, playing him once a week? I think behind this
:13:10. > :13:14.is they will be doing a lot of recovery work with him. He is
:13:15. > :13:19.Chelsea's best player at the moment and Diego Costa probably wants to
:13:20. > :13:25.play. When I am 70 or 80 cents fit I say to my manager, I want to play,
:13:26. > :13:28.even if the medical staff say you should have a rest. With the
:13:29. > :13:33.international break I am sure Mourinho will put his foot down and
:13:34. > :13:40.say he needs a break. This is a good time to have one. With your
:13:41. > :13:44.hamstrings, as you just said, at 80% fit, how does that affect you
:13:45. > :13:51.mentally when you go onto the field? Is there any doubt in your mind that
:13:52. > :13:56.it might pop? There is doubt. But I think with all of the recovery
:13:57. > :14:02.methods we do these days with ice bats, protein shakes and everything
:14:03. > :14:06.-- Bath 's. It makes you feel psychologically ready and you have
:14:07. > :14:12.to trust you are ready. If you are feeling it you have to say, I cannot
:14:13. > :14:16.be selfish. But a lot of players want to go out there and see whether
:14:17. > :14:19.they can hold up and if they are struggling they will come off. Will
:14:20. > :14:26.the international breaks be used more and more given how supposedly
:14:27. > :14:31.easy it is going to be to qualify for Euro 2016? We will come onto
:14:32. > :14:35.Raheem Sterling later. Well a lot of clubs be trying to pull players with
:14:36. > :14:42.a little niggle here and there out of those qualifiers? I think that
:14:43. > :14:46.goes both ways. Some players now can see the country, not just England,
:14:47. > :14:52.Scotland, Wales and Ireland getting through to the finals of 2016. Some
:14:53. > :14:55.of the players will perhaps wants to play in what would have been in the
:14:56. > :15:02.past the kind of international they might have discreetly and
:15:03. > :15:06.diplomatically pulled out of. Kevin you are the best person to answer
:15:07. > :15:09.that. Do you not think there is an incentive now the players to play
:15:10. > :15:15.those internationals that might not always have been there?
:15:16. > :15:22.If you are looking at Ireland, Scotland and Wales, they
:15:23. > :15:26.realistically have a good chance of qualification. But when you are
:15:27. > :15:35.looking at Spain, the likes of England, these nations will qualify.
:15:36. > :15:39.Jose Mourinho could lean on the coaches of the national teams and
:15:40. > :15:44.say, can we have him for two weeks, he will be back and fresh for your
:15:45. > :15:49.next international in two weeks. That is the discussions that will go
:15:50. > :15:54.on. If you are going to get Diego Costa back fully fit after a couple
:15:55. > :15:58.of weeks off, you will get an awesome player. Whilst I take your
:15:59. > :16:04.point he will want to play every game, there must be part of him
:16:05. > :16:09.thinking, if I want to get my hamstring right then maybe I can do
:16:10. > :16:17.without playing against Luxembourg? They are not difficult games, they
:16:18. > :16:25.are games Spain would expect to win. Jose Mourinho's perspective, he
:16:26. > :16:29.could think this is again he could miss and the national Spanish coach
:16:30. > :16:34.may say the same thing. Hopefully they can get him fit. Who knows what
:16:35. > :16:41.will happen because he has been frightening with eight goals. He
:16:42. > :16:46.wants to play himself. So many players given half the excuse not to
:16:47. > :16:51.play, they will not play. He is pushing to be played every week. You
:16:52. > :16:56.have to give him credit for that. There is quite a few out the top
:16:57. > :17:03.level now, given an excuse, they will miss again. This is not the
:17:04. > :17:09.strongest team Chelsea have assembled, they are not unstoppable
:17:10. > :17:17.at the moment. How would you rate the strength of this squad? It is
:17:18. > :17:23.similar to 2005 and 2006. Perhaps it is going down to number 18, 19 and
:17:24. > :17:31.20 being better players than they were then. If this Diego Costa thing
:17:32. > :17:36.continues the way it is, Loic Remy is a very good replacement. I don't
:17:37. > :17:41.think they will suffer too much like that. I think the Chelsea team he is
:17:42. > :17:48.putting out now is more focused than the Chelsea team of last season.
:17:49. > :17:53.Diego Costa is one of the reasons. Jose Mourinho said to me, he is
:17:54. > :18:02.scoring the kind of goals we could not get last season, despite having
:18:03. > :18:10.the creative players like Hazard, Oscar and everybody else. You can
:18:11. > :18:14.get in touch with the programme, particularly Manchester City fans on
:18:15. > :18:23.Frank Lampard. Do you think Chelsea will look at this at a moment, it
:18:24. > :18:29.has only been one week. Do you think Chelsea will be thinking, we should
:18:30. > :18:33.have kept him? It is always the risk when an X player plays against their
:18:34. > :18:39.old club. The risk of them scoring and showing them up a bit. I think
:18:40. > :18:44.Frank Lampard was a bit embarrassed to score against Chelsea. He scored
:18:45. > :18:48.again yesterday so he is proving he is still a Premiership player. He
:18:49. > :18:54.has come out and said he wanted to stay at Chelsea, had they offered
:18:55. > :19:00.him a contract. Everyone moves on and Chelsea made their decision. But
:19:01. > :19:05.it will be interesting if Manchester City do keep him because he is meant
:19:06. > :19:08.to be going to New York. But he is proving he is still getting the
:19:09. > :19:13.goals and Chelsea will be looking and thinking, maybe we should have
:19:14. > :19:16.kept him. But they got Cesc Fabregas. A different sort of
:19:17. > :19:23.player, but is there a conspiracy theory, the possibility that as I
:19:24. > :19:30.understand it, Manchester City's owners own the New York club and he
:19:31. > :19:33.is only on loan. Do you think if Manchester City were top of the
:19:34. > :19:40.league in early January, Manuel Pellegrini and the powers that be
:19:41. > :19:49.might say, hang on a minute, we want him to stay here? That is what
:19:50. > :19:53.happens when city are buying these big clubs around the world. Can we
:19:54. > :20:00.keep him? It'll be Frank Lampard's decision as well. But he has scored
:20:01. > :20:04.four goals already. You know full well Frank Lampard will get double
:20:05. > :20:13.figures and that could be massive Manchester City. Do you think there
:20:14. > :20:17.is anything wrong doing that? I feel sorry the city, they thought they
:20:18. > :20:24.were selling him to... But they did not offer him another contract, they
:20:25. > :20:30.cannot dictate where he goes. I understand that, but they let him go
:20:31. > :20:37.for a reason. They think he has gone off to a different club in New York.
:20:38. > :20:43.He is out of the country. Now all sudden, Manchester City can get him
:20:44. > :20:45.back. He is an English player, a homebred player so he comes under
:20:46. > :20:53.the quota of the English rule as well. Off the back of that, I can
:20:54. > :20:57.understand both sides. Manchester City will be desperate to keep him
:20:58. > :21:03.because of the goals. They have David Silva, yah yah Toure, they
:21:04. > :21:09.will create chances for him. He finishes so well. You could argue,
:21:10. > :21:21.it would a similar to Manchester City letting a youngster going
:21:22. > :21:28.abroad, and then Chelsea saying we like the look of him. Then bringing
:21:29. > :21:33.that player to Stamford Bridge. That seems to be have football is going.
:21:34. > :21:38.Usually with loan deals there is always a clause in the deal were a
:21:39. > :21:44.lone player cannot play against their old club. Perhaps from
:21:45. > :21:50.Chelsea's perspective looking into the future that could have been a
:21:51. > :21:53.clause for Frank Lampard. If you sign for Manchester City or an
:21:54. > :21:59.affiliated club to Manchester City, you cannot play in the Premier
:22:00. > :22:06.League. That would get very complicated. It is a regular thing
:22:07. > :22:09.in loan deals. There is the chance for the player for it to become a
:22:10. > :22:15.permanent deal because if they do well and score goals and prove they
:22:16. > :22:20.are at that level, they can play. Frank Lampard is in a winning
:22:21. > :22:24.situation. If he keeps playing well for Manchester City he can be in the
:22:25. > :22:29.Premier League, if he doesn't, he can go and play for New York City.
:22:30. > :22:34.Manuel Pellegrini has said it is inevitable that at some stage that
:22:35. > :22:40.Manchester City will win the Champions' League and they take on
:22:41. > :22:47.Roma this week? That is, as company-macro said, they have one 2
:22:48. > :22:51.Championships, they have one the FA Cup and the Champions' League is the
:22:52. > :22:57.focus for the people that matter at Manchester City. This is their next
:22:58. > :23:02.major ambition. Manuel Pellegrini has said we may not do it this
:23:03. > :23:08.year, but he is expected to lead them further than they have ever
:23:09. > :23:13.been before. They have never got to a semifinal in that competition and
:23:14. > :23:18.this is a test this season. Lots of messages coming in from Southampton
:23:19. > :23:31.fans. They have hit the ground running. Surely it has to be Ronald
:23:32. > :23:40.Koeman, their movements is class. They have won six games on the trot
:23:41. > :23:45.including the game at Arsenal. Good afternoon James, thanks for talking
:23:46. > :23:52.to others. The atmosphere around the club must be fantastic a moment? Of
:23:53. > :23:57.course, to be second in the Premier League is beyond our wildest dreams.
:23:58. > :24:00.We had a great start to the season last year and a difficult summer
:24:01. > :24:06.with players coming and going and it is credit to the club with all of
:24:07. > :24:10.the staff and the players who have come together and shown the quality
:24:11. > :24:14.and we deserve to be there. In the chaos of the summer, what was the
:24:15. > :24:21.first thing Ronald Koeman said to you as a group of players? He said
:24:22. > :24:25.not to worry about the goings-on in the summer, just concentrate on
:24:26. > :24:29.football. The way he has brought in the right sort of players, players
:24:30. > :24:35.who have adapted well to the Premier League and have settled into the
:24:36. > :24:41.team and there is a real good chance the team will grow together. Is
:24:42. > :24:51.training different under him? Physically it is. Pochettino liked
:24:52. > :24:55.to press a bit more and lots of running sessions into the afternoon.
:24:56. > :24:59.But this manager there is lots of short, sharp work. You can see the
:25:00. > :25:04.difference in our performance. We are showing signs we can battle it
:25:05. > :25:09.out in the top half of the Premier League. James I was at Anfield at
:25:10. > :25:15.the start of the season for your game. You showed me you were more
:25:16. > :25:21.than capable of competing. Did you take a lot of confidence although
:25:22. > :25:26.you lost, I thought you should have taken a point at least, if not won
:25:27. > :25:29.that game. Did you take a lot of confidence going forward? In the
:25:30. > :25:35.changing room after the game, we felt we had won the game. First goal
:25:36. > :25:42.of the season against some of the players we have sold. I think we
:25:43. > :25:48.showed great character amongst the team, stick together. We went to a
:25:49. > :25:54.club who had a great season last year. I think we showed why where we
:25:55. > :25:59.are now. I know you are injured now, a lot of Southampton fans will want
:26:00. > :26:05.to know how long you will be out? Around ten weeks, I have an
:26:06. > :26:11.operation tomorrow. Then it is just rehabilitation. It will be a big
:26:12. > :26:16.test for me, this is my first big injury. It will be a test of my
:26:17. > :26:20.character and how I deal with it. I am itching to get back already and
:26:21. > :26:23.it gives me the chance to work on other things I have never worked on
:26:24. > :26:29.before, so I will come back fitter and stronger and be able to get into
:26:30. > :26:34.the team. And outs of the sensational goals, Jagielka that
:26:35. > :26:40.Everton, which would you give as goal of the month costume mark
:26:41. > :26:47.definitely Gratiano. He has settled into the Premier League and we have
:26:48. > :26:51.seen some excellent finishes in training so it was nice to see him
:26:52. > :26:56.do that yesterday. We wish you well with your rehabilitation and we
:26:57. > :27:03.appreciate the time you have taken to talk. What has benefited
:27:04. > :27:07.Southampton is having the new manager, so the whole thing feels
:27:08. > :27:11.like a fresh start will stop yes, with so many players leaving the
:27:12. > :27:17.Southampton, there was a risk the changing room would be depleted.
:27:18. > :27:25.Some players wanted to leave but had to stay. Ronald Truman has come in
:27:26. > :27:30.and said focus on the football, we are moving forward with a new team
:27:31. > :27:46.and new philosophy. I'm sure they will keep growing. They have
:27:47. > :27:57.replaced Rickie Lambert and Pella has scored. Jagielka, it was the
:27:58. > :28:03.last minute of the game and he just hit it. It was a great strike.
:28:04. > :28:07.Jagielka will probably never score that kind of goal again. So you are
:28:08. > :28:14.giving it to Jagielka? I think I will go Pella, because I have seen
:28:15. > :28:18.him play. People said you can score goals in the Dutch league, but when
:28:19. > :28:23.he comes to the Premier League he will find it hard. But he has fitted
:28:24. > :28:28.in as well as any striker other than Diego Costa, but better than any
:28:29. > :28:36.other player that has come from overseas. His first touch to set
:28:37. > :28:42.himself up for that was outstanding. I will go with Jagielka. A lot of
:28:43. > :28:45.people will say you have to put the context of the game, the occasion.
:28:46. > :28:52.Technically, you would go with Pella, but in the last minute of the
:28:53. > :28:57.Merseyside derby, for Jagielka to do that was brilliant. It was hugely
:28:58. > :29:00.important for Everton, psychologically more than anything
:29:01. > :29:05.else to get coming out of back game, otherwise questions would have
:29:06. > :29:10.been asked? I don't think any side were able to exert themselves. They
:29:11. > :29:14.both looked nervous and gave the ball away. Liverpool were probably
:29:15. > :29:19.more threatening on the counterattack. I think the draw
:29:20. > :29:25.probably was the right result. Liverpool looked a bit more dominant
:29:26. > :29:29.and more threatening in the last third. But Everton defended well and
:29:30. > :29:33.kept the ball well. Brendan Rodgers had the demeanour on the final
:29:34. > :29:39.whistle of a man who had lost. I heard you say that, and I thought
:29:40. > :29:46.that could be a significant goal in Liverpool's season, but Jagielka
:29:47. > :29:52.goal. At the moment, they have lost Suarez, Daniel Sturridge is injured
:29:53. > :29:57.and the back four is still looking vulnerable. It just makes me wonder,
:29:58. > :30:02.I am not so sure Steven Gerrard saying this will be our year to win
:30:03. > :30:04.the league. I am not convinced. Does a draw in the north London derby as
:30:05. > :30:14.questions of Arsenal? They will probably be happy with the
:30:15. > :30:21.draw as opposed to Liverpool being disappointed. They have 20 minutes
:30:22. > :30:27.after that on goal to score and it would have been a disaster for
:30:28. > :30:32.Arsenal. But I still do not think Arsenal have the bite in front of
:30:33. > :30:39.goal. Heck of a dummy from Bell back. He might be claiming the
:30:40. > :30:48.assist. -- Welbeck. He has to get some confidence. That is the sign of
:30:49. > :30:55.a striker informed, Arsenal have to get that with Welbeck. George
:30:56. > :30:59.Graham, former manager of both teams, was quite critical of
:31:00. > :31:13.Arsenal, saying they should not be aiming, top four is a given, the
:31:14. > :31:17.title should be the aim. Those derby games convinced me that not one of
:31:18. > :31:20.those teams will win the league, I am even more convinced Manchester
:31:21. > :31:26.City and Chelsea will eventually move away and it will be between
:31:27. > :31:30.them. I totally agree, I have seen Arsenal ended up and they are not of
:31:31. > :31:34.the same standard as city and Chelsea. Looking down at and
:31:35. > :31:40.Everton, where they finished last season, just behind. I cannot see
:31:41. > :31:44.those sides able to compete, this season is going to be about United
:31:45. > :31:53.may be pushing the top four but it will be about city and Chelsea. Mail
:31:54. > :32:01.on Sunday here, saying they must start again with the Academy. They
:32:02. > :32:06.have this new Dutchman, who was an assistant to Louis van Gaal, he says
:32:07. > :32:11.Arsenal want talented players coming through because that has been
:32:12. > :32:16.lacking. They want to develop players better than before. Quite a
:32:17. > :32:21.damning statement about previous regimes. To be honest, if you asked
:32:22. > :32:26.which clubs had a problem bringing thrilling as players I would not say
:32:27. > :32:33.it was Arsenal. Oxlade-Chamberlain, he came from Southampton, but he
:32:34. > :32:37.came into the youth system. Jack Wilshere, I forget his name, the
:32:38. > :32:45.left-back. Kieran Gibbs. These are young players that are Arsenal
:32:46. > :32:48.through and through. I suppose every club can always work on bringing
:32:49. > :32:52.through English players because it is an international league. Clubs
:32:53. > :32:58.always wants to bring in internationals. I wonder whether we
:32:59. > :33:02.take that with a pinch of salt in the same way that whenever a new
:33:03. > :33:06.manager takes over they always say these players are not fit enough.
:33:07. > :33:13.You have 2 to find something wrong with the previous regime. When I
:33:14. > :33:18.first covered Arsenal they always had the best schoolboys, David
:33:19. > :33:24.Rocastle, Michael Thomas, they won the league at Anfield under George
:33:25. > :33:28.Graham. Then in a different phase, Wenger inherited the back four and
:33:29. > :33:47.went out and thought in the Gerry Henris and Patrick Vieiras. --
:33:48. > :33:50.Sierra -- Thierry Henrys. Inode Liam Brady quite well from Ireland, he
:33:51. > :34:00.put everything into developing those players. He has had a say in these
:34:01. > :34:10.players because he has had to try and help developments. One other
:34:11. > :34:13.quote, Steve Morrow came and asked me what type of players I wanted him
:34:14. > :34:20.to look for so I said the best player I have worked on, Xavi. This
:34:21. > :34:24.is a bugbear of mine, I kind of think, all academies seem to be
:34:25. > :34:32.looking for the same type of players. It is all those players.
:34:33. > :34:39.Robotic. Why does an academy boss not saying I want Vincent Kompany?
:34:40. > :34:47.Kevin Kilbane? LAUGHTER Up and down? No. You are looking for
:34:48. > :34:51.the robotic type, players now coming through our very robotic, very
:34:52. > :34:58.similar sort of players. I think all of a sudden now you get players
:34:59. > :35:03.coming in who can make a difference, Jimmy Carrico, these type of
:35:04. > :35:06.players. These are championship winning players. You need them in
:35:07. > :35:14.your side if you want to win the titles. That is what it is. Roy
:35:15. > :35:18.Keane, these sorts of players are what you need when you are winning
:35:19. > :35:23.titles. You are looking at those sort of players but you cannot win
:35:24. > :35:28.with them. It depends on the club philosophy. I watched Liverpool and
:35:29. > :35:34.Everton yesterday and John Stones was outstanding. You could say he
:35:35. > :35:40.was the next Tim Cahill this? Gary Cahill. But for Arsenal or Everton,
:35:41. > :35:43.they have Ross Barkley. Different club floss of these will want to
:35:44. > :35:52.bring through different types of English players. He is perfect for
:35:53. > :36:02.the Arsenal playing style. I think what the manager once, he might say,
:36:03. > :36:07.he might prefer to bring through the Xavi or Vincent Kompany. If you look
:36:08. > :36:13.at John Stones, Ross Barkley, you have Gareth Barry, doing the dirty
:36:14. > :36:22.side of it. West Brom against Burnley is the afternoon game here.
:36:23. > :36:26.The two lowest scoring sides in the Premier League. Dot-macro they
:36:27. > :36:31.played quite well at Tottenham. Everybody said it was about on the
:36:32. > :36:36.performance, but for the first time they had 11 new players, West Brom,
:36:37. > :36:43.the most of anybody. Alan Irvine had to try to mould them and it will
:36:44. > :36:46.take some time. I saw some little signs of recovery last week against
:36:47. > :36:51.Tottenham and Albion have always been described as a yo-yo club but
:36:52. > :36:55.this is their fifth consecutive year in the Premier League so they have
:36:56. > :37:00.settled, just a matter of whether he can shake this new team. Different
:37:01. > :37:09.mentality at Spurs with nothing to lose whereas now you have promoted
:37:10. > :37:13.side at home. In the six games against the promoted sides last year
:37:14. > :37:17.they only won one of them. Burnley will do what West Brom did last week
:37:18. > :37:22.against Tottenham, they will set off and tried to break. The onus is on
:37:23. > :37:26.West Brom today and that is a different mindset from their point
:37:27. > :37:31.of view. They have not scored since the opening game of the season. They
:37:32. > :37:35.are struggling for goals which is always a problem when you are just
:37:36. > :37:44.looking to stay up. That striker, even though 1-0, you need to put it
:37:45. > :37:48.in the net. If you are a Lukas Jutkiewicz, who has come up from the
:37:49. > :37:53.championship, if you are coming up you need the first goal in the top
:37:54. > :37:58.flight to get your confidence. 's to settle your nerves and make you
:37:59. > :38:03.realise you can do it. I can score goals in this league and I can score
:38:04. > :38:09.for this team. Just one and hopefully they can kick on. How
:38:10. > :38:14.nervous will Alan Pardew be going into the Monday night game? This
:38:15. > :38:20.story seems to have come and gone. I bumped into Mike Ashley, somebody
:38:21. > :38:30.said, what chance has it got of keeping his job and Mike, who has a
:38:31. > :38:34.distinct sense of humour, said, he was one game away from the sack but
:38:35. > :38:39.they were saying that last week. Everybody would access including
:38:40. > :38:43.Alan Pardew, he is not the most secure manager in the Premier
:38:44. > :38:48.League. Stoke-Newcastle is an interesting one.
:38:49. > :38:48.League. Stoke-Newcastle is an patches they are coming into a bit
:38:49. > :39:01.from home, that is unlike Stoke. The Sunday Mirror saying David Moyes is
:39:02. > :39:10.from home, that is unlike Stoke. The being lined up for Newcastle. That
:39:11. > :39:18.will not go away from budget. I think last week they showed a little
:39:19. > :39:23.bit of bottle last week to get that result, Papiss Cisse comes on, he
:39:24. > :39:33.has not been scoring. Give Alan Pardew credit. There is a negative
:39:34. > :39:41.feeling around the place. David Moyes would go there? I don't know.
:39:42. > :39:47.Do you have an inkling, do you know him? It is the sort of job. Have you
:39:48. > :39:56.spoken to him, basically! I have not. He would be the first to say, a
:39:57. > :39:59.manager in the job, I would not want to be speculating because he has
:40:00. > :40:04.respect for other managers but it is the sort of job that if he did go
:40:05. > :40:08.into he would thrive on. It is his sort of job where he would need to
:40:09. > :40:17.galvanise a club that has been struggling. He wants to be in charge
:40:18. > :40:21.of a thing like he was at Manchester United but at the moment the
:40:22. > :40:25.Newcastle system indicates that is not the case. If he was to go
:40:26. > :40:29.there, I appreciate Pardew is still in the job, he would expect things
:40:30. > :40:33.to change? Perhaps that is a conversation he has to have with
:40:34. > :40:42.Mike Ashley if he is in the running for the job. David Moyes would be
:40:43. > :40:47.more suited to a club like Newcastle, it is the same as
:40:48. > :40:53.Everton. Expectation was too big him at Manchester United. But at
:40:54. > :40:58.everything he did well. He made the team stabling the top half of table.
:40:59. > :41:05.Newcastle would be a better fit for him and maybe his style of
:41:06. > :41:08.management. Neil Lennon could be a candidate if it came to that but
:41:09. > :41:13.Alan Pardew has been digging his heels in. It cannot be easy coming
:41:14. > :41:20.out and doing those interviews when you are that far-away people say
:41:21. > :41:25.from this being your last game. I think it becomes a good Monday night
:41:26. > :41:37.game. These comments come out after what has been a better week the
:41:38. > :41:43.Newcastle. Would you go for Newcastle or Stoke? I will go for
:41:44. > :41:49.the draw. I cannot see beyond the draw, sitting on the fence. Let's
:41:50. > :41:53.finish by talking about the Indian women, they have qualified for the
:41:54. > :41:58.World Cup winning all ten matches in qualifying. Do you look at that,
:41:59. > :42:05.playing devils advocate, as a brilliant performance or that you
:42:06. > :42:09.were not tested? You could say that but I think the age-old saying that
:42:10. > :42:15.you have 2 beta who is in front of you. We scored a lot of goals and
:42:16. > :42:19.only conceded once. That is a response to Mark Sampson, his
:42:20. > :42:24.playing style. It is a very attacking playing style, we talked a
:42:25. > :42:29.lot about bravery and courage. Just as players in general we are having
:42:30. > :42:34.to really force ourselves to be creative and do new things. That has
:42:35. > :42:39.happened as a result of us scoring more. Does that go against instinct,
:42:40. > :42:45.forcing yourself to be more creative. Maybe in the past that has
:42:46. > :42:50.been stifled? I would say so, playing styles are different under
:42:51. > :42:54.different managers. Players being safe under different managers. Mark
:42:55. > :42:59.putts playing style, he talks about just being brave, if you're going to
:43:00. > :43:03.make a mistake at least you have the intent to try to attack and score
:43:04. > :43:07.goals and for a strike a striker you need that. You need to say, I will
:43:08. > :43:10.have ten shots and hopefully one or two will go with rather than only
:43:11. > :43:15.shooting when you think it will definitely go in. In terms of our
:43:16. > :43:22.qualification that has been a real aspect of it. The attacking aspect
:43:23. > :43:27.of us winning. Thank you all for coming on the show. Kevin will be
:43:28. > :43:29.back with me later, and West Brom against Burnley will be an sports
:43:30. > :43:34.extra from 4pm. See you next week.