:00:22. > :01:55.didn't do very well at all, but having said that, we didn't attack
:01:55. > :02:04.well, we had a lot of the ball in the first half, we didn't do enough
:02:04. > :02:10.with it. In 1978, West Brom won here, and they haven't won here in
:02:10. > :02:14.the league until today, great view. Fantastic, fantastic that the
:02:14. > :02:18.players. My one wish at the end of the game is that the players get all
:02:18. > :02:25.of the credit. People are talking about how West Bromwich Albion are
:02:25. > :02:30.good and Manchester United poor. We deserve a lot of credit. The
:02:30. > :02:35.pressure comes with the territory of the Manchester United job, do you
:02:35. > :02:37.have the resolve now to go on? You are always going to get bad results
:02:37. > :02:40.have the resolve now to go on? You in football, it is part of the job
:02:40. > :02:43.and it is how you deal with them and we will move on and look forward to
:02:43. > :02:49.the next game. There are lots of games, you get ready for the next
:02:49. > :02:52.one. We came here not just to sit in and defend, we attacked when we
:02:52. > :02:56.could. We have some good players in the team, we made additions late in
:02:56. > :03:06.the transfer window and hopefully the supporters and everybody else
:03:06. > :03:09.starting to see we can have another good season. There is a lot to
:03:09. > :03:11.discuss, let's start, Neil, by giving credit to West Brom.
:03:11. > :03:12.Steve Clarke said last night that he had spent four days talking to the
:03:12. > :03:15.players about the importance of had spent four days talking to the
:03:15. > :03:19.going for it at Old Trafford, not just seeing what happened. In the
:03:19. > :03:23.press conference after the game, he made that point, but in the past, a
:03:23. > :03:27.West Brom team might come to Old Trafford, try and defend and nick
:03:27. > :03:31.something at the end, or get a point, and he is trying to change
:03:31. > :03:34.the whole mindset of the club, that they can go to places like this and
:03:34. > :03:43.try and take the game to the opposition and dominate and look
:03:43. > :03:46.like they want to win it from the outset, and they did. The most
:03:46. > :03:49.startling for me, from West Brom point of view, how pleased he must
:03:49. > :03:50.have been, is when rain really got the equaliser. In the past,
:03:50. > :03:53.have been, is when rain really got would expect Manchester United to go
:03:53. > :03:57.for the next goal, get a second or third, and the opposition's heads to
:03:57. > :04:02.go down, but it was the opposite. It was West Brom who went up a level.
:04:02. > :04:05.Their passing was better, they were more incisive, their finishing,
:04:05. > :04:15.everything. This wasn't a smash and grab. This was deserved. A deserved
:04:15. > :04:18.victory. Is that a normal set of occurrences, for a Manchester United
:04:18. > :04:23.side, to be at home to what you would call a lesser side, and the
:04:23. > :04:29.team that is the lesser side go for it. Did it happen in your time? I
:04:29. > :04:31.think in my time and all the way up to this summer, I think we were in a
:04:31. > :04:38.different place. I think everyone will have... Like Steve Clarke said,
:04:38. > :04:41.we are going to Old Trafford to go for it. I think everyone will be
:04:41. > :04:45.looking at it this year that this is an opportunity to go to Old Trafford
:04:45. > :04:51.and get something out of a game, whereas when Sir Alex was manager,
:04:51. > :04:55.the teams that he put out, the way that he was getting everything out
:04:55. > :05:01.of his players, you knew every single player in the squad inside
:05:01. > :05:04.out, I think we are going to see that quite a lot, seeing Manchester
:05:04. > :05:07.United having a tough time at Old Trafford because all of the teams
:05:07. > :05:11.will do what West prompted yesterday. That is something that
:05:11. > :05:17.Manchester United had to deal with -- that West Brom did. I think it is
:05:17. > :05:23.only natural. Maybe not expected, but it is not something that really
:05:23. > :05:26.surprises me, because we have seen how the main competitors have been
:05:26. > :05:31.dealing in the transfer windows, bringing in players, because this is
:05:31. > :05:36.the opportunity to have a go, in the space where even everyone at
:05:36. > :05:40.Manchester United are uncertain about what will happen this season.
:05:40. > :05:44.You mention psychology, the whole psychology of a visiting team has
:05:44. > :05:46.changed. David Moyes has mentioned the word transition. There has never
:05:47. > :05:50.been a club with that big a the word transition. There has never
:05:50. > :05:55.transition at a club. It is not just a manager leaving after 27 years,
:05:55. > :05:57.there is a new chief executive, which had a knock-on effect in the
:05:57. > :06:00.transfer window. So I think these which had a knock-on effect in the
:06:00. > :06:09.problems are kind of inevitable. They were going to happen and it is
:06:09. > :06:12.how David Moyes deals with them. He will have the backing of everybody.
:06:12. > :06:15.Sir Alex Ferguson is still at the club, don't forget. When you look
:06:15. > :06:18.back to last season, a 13 point gap was a massive gap and you don't
:06:18. > :06:22.understand how that happened. It was a good team, very experienced team,
:06:22. > :06:27.the experience came from the year prior to that, losing it by one goal
:06:27. > :06:30.in the very last second of the season, it gives you something is a
:06:30. > :06:36.Manchester United player to build on. But 13 points is a massive gap.
:06:36. > :06:40.When I look at the squad, I see a fantastic squad of players but I
:06:40. > :06:44.don't see a big leader in midfield, for instance. I don't see someone
:06:44. > :06:48.who changes the game in the middle of the game. This is what David
:06:48. > :06:54.Moyes has been saying. If you look at the back page of the Mail, short
:06:54. > :07:00.of classes what they are going with, a quote from David Moyes. He has
:07:00. > :07:03.actually been very open and honest about what he has inherited. Sir
:07:03. > :07:07.Alex said everything was set up the new man but I'm not sure it was. It
:07:07. > :07:13.was an ordinary Manchester United team with an extraordinary manager.
:07:13. > :07:16.They needed four or five new players in, who did not know what it was
:07:17. > :07:20.like before, didn't know what it was like under Sir Alex, this was going
:07:20. > :07:23.to be new to them and they would stamp their mark on Manchester
:07:23. > :07:29.United. That is why this transfer window was so important for them.
:07:29. > :07:33.They have had the worst start as champions since Blackburn in 1995,
:07:33. > :07:38.who did not add to their title winning team. David Moyes has picked
:07:38. > :07:42.up a squad that isn't as good as last season's results show. What was
:07:42. > :07:46.more worrying from a United perspective yesterday is they could
:07:46. > :07:49.lose the Manchester City, they have done that in the past, they have
:07:49. > :07:53.lost to Liverpool, but they don't lose at home to West from.
:07:53. > :07:57.Manchester United have won titles on the back of winning their games that
:07:57. > :07:59.they are supposed to win. But Fergie factor has gone and the fear factor
:07:59. > :08:05.has gone. It is only six games, I factor has gone and the fear factor
:08:05. > :08:08.still think David Moyes is the right man for the job, but people need to
:08:08. > :08:12.realise that this is a slightly bigger job that he has got on his
:08:12. > :08:18.hands than we may have first thought. All of the changes at the
:08:18. > :08:22.club now, not to put any blame, but it is only natural that you have so
:08:22. > :08:27.many changes. Normally you would have Sir Alex Ferguson and David
:08:27. > :08:30.Gill dictating what would happen. Sir Alex would know exactly what
:08:30. > :08:33.they were going to do in the transfer window by March. He would
:08:33. > :08:37.be sure and he probably would have put everything into place. So he
:08:37. > :08:42.would not spend the summer panicking about bringing players in. David
:08:42. > :08:49.Moyes, he was employed very late on, he didn't have that opportunity. And
:08:49. > :08:54.they still had time, though. But you have to identify the players you
:08:54. > :09:00.want to bring in. After identifying those players, surely, even if you
:09:00. > :09:04.don't officially start... When you think that David Moyes was
:09:04. > :09:08.approached to be offered the job, that would have been two or three
:09:08. > :09:12.games before the end of the season. He had to look at that squad, which
:09:12. > :09:18.his winning the championship by 13 points, he had to look at that squad
:09:18. > :09:25.and identify, who can use from my team, and who is not good enough to
:09:25. > :09:33.be there for what I want to do? And who can I bring in to make the squad
:09:33. > :09:36.win the championship by 13 points even better question mark you have
:09:36. > :09:40.to make the squad stronger. I don't think he had time for that. They
:09:40. > :09:44.went through enough players, they just didn't get them. Something went
:09:44. > :09:48.wrong. I think they were being asked for too much money, but Manchester
:09:48. > :09:51.United and Manchester City will always be asked for extra money
:09:51. > :09:56.because of the size of the club and the money they have and you just
:09:56. > :09:59.have to pay. I think he had time from the moment he took over to get
:09:59. > :10:03.the players he wanted. There seemed to be a fascination with Leighton
:10:03. > :10:09.Baines and Fellaini. Fellaini has come in, whether he is the right
:10:09. > :10:12.player to improve them remains to be seen. What we have done is exactly
:10:12. > :10:15.what Steve Clarke didn't want us to do, the talking point is Manchester
:10:15. > :10:18.United struggling, but West Bromwich Albion deserve all the credit in the
:10:18. > :10:22.world. No doubt about it, they played really well, at times playing
:10:22. > :10:26.United of the pitch and creating the better chances, which is unusual for
:10:26. > :10:30.any team going to Old Trafford. But at the end of the day, Manchester
:10:31. > :10:35.United have played six games, lost three, one draw and two wins, it is
:10:35. > :10:37.not happened before. Steve Clarke can talk as much as you like about
:10:37. > :10:42.how well they did, no one will can talk as much as you like about
:10:42. > :10:49.really talk about that today. You have a vested interest! You are not
:10:49. > :10:54.wearing today. Peter Schmeichal, Guy Mowbray and Neil Custis proving it
:10:54. > :10:56.difficult for me to keep on track. We had a text message, will the
:10:56. > :11:00.match of the match but the Day We had a text message, will the
:11:00. > :11:06.pundits please stop defending David Moyes --match of the day. He knew
:11:06. > :11:10.what the name grid job was in the squad, and the job isn't good
:11:10. > :11:14.enough. And an anonymous one, I can't believe that Nani gets in the
:11:14. > :11:20.United team. He has done nothing in the time since Ronaldo left. Why
:11:20. > :11:23.spend the money on Wilfried Zaha? And this one, what do Manchester
:11:23. > :11:27.United need to do to get back to their fluid best? Should boys play
:11:27. > :11:35.Kagawa in a central position -- should David Moyes play Kagawa in a
:11:35. > :11:38.central position alongside Rooney and van Persie ahead of them in a
:11:38. > :11:43.Christmas tree formation. It does seem to be a problem for both
:11:43. > :11:49.Ferguson and now David Moyes in integrating Krakouer into this
:11:49. > :11:53.United team. He plays in that slightly wider role for Japan and it
:11:53. > :11:57.is not that big a difference. If you are good enough, you can adapt to
:11:57. > :12:00.going from straight behind van Persie to slightly out left. The
:12:00. > :12:04.role behind van Persie is made for Wayne Rooney and has the start that
:12:04. > :12:09.as much as possible, so Kagawa has to fit in around that. If he is
:12:09. > :12:13.likely that, fine. I thought he had a decent first half and I couldn't
:12:13. > :12:16.understand him being brought off at half-time. The other one couldn't
:12:16. > :12:19.understand what starting with Anderson. He looks like the bloke
:12:20. > :12:24.who has won the raffle to play for Man United for the day. I think that
:12:24. > :12:27.Anderson, if he could stay fit Man United for the day. I think that
:12:27. > :12:33.enough and play more than 80 minutes, and if he could stay...
:12:33. > :12:39.More than eight! I think he could be a solution. I am not sure he has the
:12:39. > :12:45.man talent he, he has not really ever had the chance. The final word
:12:45. > :12:49.on West Bromwich, to end this. Do not cite. Steve Clark mentioned
:12:49. > :12:55.there transfer activity -- Steve Clarke. I know it is very early on,
:12:55. > :12:59.but maybe it is starting to work out for them. Stephan says in Jans was
:12:59. > :13:03.very good for them. Stephan says in Jans was very good then, Victor
:13:03. > :13:08.Anichebe and they have Berahino, who is scoring goals for the England
:13:08. > :13:13.under 21s. They brought in Victor Anichebe. Did they need him? Give
:13:13. > :13:15.Berahino some starts, he will get you goals and develop. It will be
:13:15. > :13:20.Berahino some starts, he will get good for the England national team,
:13:20. > :13:28.not that that is necessary Steve Clarke's main motivation. Another
:13:28. > :13:32.message, is Rio Ferdinand above criticism? He is looking like the
:13:32. > :13:36.weak link and over the hill. Tom Walker is in Liverpool, on the
:13:36. > :13:40.so-called crisis at Old Trafford, Fergie got an extra 15% out of
:13:40. > :13:43.players, turning average footballers into good players. The trick for
:13:43. > :13:49.David Moyes is to tap into that formula. Tom who takes did that is
:13:49. > :13:54.in Liverpool, let's talk about Liverpool. They go to Sunderland
:13:54. > :13:57.today, we have time later on to delve into the managerial crisis at
:13:57. > :14:02.Sunderland. Shall we have a quick chat about Liverpool, who had the
:14:02. > :14:08.defeat against Southampton? They drew against Swansea. It is an
:14:08. > :14:12.important afternoon. It is, it has taken the gloss of what was a
:14:12. > :14:16.brilliant start to the season. I was at both games on the common
:14:16. > :14:20.denominator is that Steven Gerrard was not on top form. They still need
:14:20. > :14:24.him to be firing every single week. Luis Suarez did well, actually, and
:14:24. > :14:29.I would expect him to be a pivotal part of the game today. I think all
:14:29. > :14:35.is well in the world at Liverpool. They need soirees, Alex Hutton has
:14:35. > :14:51.treated us to say, how big a mess is Puccini O? Maybe that's where the
:14:51. > :14:55.problems started -- Coutinho.. Well, they have performed well without
:14:55. > :15:00.Luis Suarez but the fact that they have performed so well without him
:15:00. > :15:02.and the way he played on Wednesday was good Liverpool, because he
:15:02. > :15:07.looked at it straightaway. He offers a different dynamic, he gets out the
:15:07. > :15:12.back four, he creates space for others, I think Daniel Sturridge
:15:12. > :15:18.will get even more now, because Luis Suarez is there as well and they
:15:18. > :15:21.could form a great partnership. It shows you that we shouldn't get
:15:21. > :15:24.bogged down in statistics, because that statistic about Luis Suarez,
:15:24. > :15:28.clearly Liverpool are better with him in the team, no matter what the
:15:28. > :15:35.numbers say. David Moyes said on Wednesday night that it was the best
:15:35. > :15:38.start judged against Matt Busby. That was ridiculous. Not as
:15:38. > :15:41.ridiculous as Peter Schmeichal arriving here today and say 90% of
:15:41. > :15:45.people who treated him after his last appearance on the show like the
:15:45. > :16:00.shirt. If ever there is proof we don't buy into statistics . How do
:16:00. > :16:08.you see Liverpool this season? I think Coutinho will be a problem for
:16:08. > :16:13.them. He is the one player you look at and think, yes, why did we not
:16:13. > :16:22.look at him? That is a great signing, and playing behind storage
:16:22. > :16:28.on top form, that could be danger for everybody else. My worry for
:16:28. > :16:30.Liverpool, is the squad they have deep enough? Will they perform as
:16:30. > :16:37.they have done so, so far, in deep enough? Will they perform as
:16:37. > :16:42.March? Face facts, you don't win the Premier league this time of year,
:16:42. > :16:46.not even before Christmas. It is what you do when you are mentally,
:16:46. > :16:54.physically tired, you have injuries, the pitch is not as good,
:16:54. > :16:59.the weather is cold. How deep can you dig? That is the four o'clock
:16:59. > :17:10.game, you can listen to that on five live from four o'clock. As far as
:17:10. > :17:15.the 1:30pm game is concerned, Stoke against Norwich from you get the
:17:15. > :17:19.sense from some Norwich fans they are disgruntled about how the season
:17:19. > :17:24.has begun and maybe not that impressed with some of the
:17:24. > :17:27.substitutions being made. That accusation has been levelled at a
:17:27. > :17:34.few managers and David Moyes is one of them. It is early days for every
:17:34. > :17:38.team. Early-season excitement has led to an overreaction about
:17:38. > :17:44.everything. Norwich city have signed, particularly up front, some
:17:44. > :17:50.talented players. They have Gary Hooper who has only just come back
:17:50. > :17:53.to fitness, he will score goals. Give it time. I wouldn't be
:17:53. > :17:59.surprised if they got the result this afternoon at Stoke. Stoke are
:17:59. > :18:04.four teams going into this game but some of their performances have been
:18:04. > :18:08.impressive. It is not just about changing the style of play, also
:18:09. > :18:17.their workrate has been phenomenal which is a handover from the Tony
:18:17. > :18:23.Pulis era. Yes, I think that style of football had run its course. Mark
:18:23. > :18:31.Hughes had a very unfortunate time at QPR, tried to change too much,
:18:31. > :18:35.too quickly but he and his assistant manager are still very capable. You
:18:35. > :18:40.can sense they are starting to get something going again and it reminds
:18:40. > :18:48.me of his time at Blackburn, that he can grow something, he can make them
:18:48. > :18:59.strong again at home as Tony Pulis have done. It was very unfortunate
:18:59. > :19:05.after a long run of drawers. That is management, your job is not to
:19:05. > :19:10.change everything at once because that will not happen. You cannot
:19:10. > :19:14.bring 20 players in and it works because you are dealing with people.
:19:14. > :19:21.You have got to look at what you have and make that work. Not to go
:19:21. > :19:26.back to David Moyes, but that is his biggest challenge, is to look at his
:19:26. > :19:36.squad and look at how do I get as much out of these players as Sir
:19:36. > :19:41.Alex used to do? At Stoke he has seen something that works but he has
:19:41. > :19:46.also identified that these guys can play football so if I am going to
:19:46. > :19:52.add a little bit to this now, I will add a bit of playing because that
:19:52. > :19:57.will throw the other teams off somewhat. They will expect Stoke to
:19:57. > :20:03.be physical. We will give you team news as soon as we get it. You can
:20:03. > :20:07.watch on BBC One, we are on the sport website, and on radio five
:20:07. > :20:11.live as well so you can stay in touch. Let's go back to some of
:20:11. > :20:14.Saturday's games now, starting with touch. Let's go back to some of
:20:14. > :20:20.Spurs against Chelsea and we will begin by hearing from both managers.
:20:20. > :20:32.I think the key moments of the game was hitting the post before
:20:32. > :20:35.half-time. We could have forced Chelsea into making some changes for
:20:35. > :20:38.the second half. They always looked a threat on the counter and through
:20:38. > :20:39.set plays. A pity the second half wasn't as good as the first. I think
:20:39. > :20:43.Chelsea were strong in the second wasn't as good as the first. I think
:20:43. > :20:50.half and in the end it is a fair result. I was feeling the game was
:20:50. > :21:00.completely in our side, which played very well in the first half. I felt
:21:01. > :21:07.the game was going to be blue, but a bad decision from the referee
:21:07. > :21:09.changed the last few minutes of the game. What do you make of the
:21:09. > :21:17.sending off? Difficult for the game. What do you make of the
:21:18. > :21:22.referee to George. I don't think Fernando was nasty enough to deserve
:21:22. > :21:27.the sending off. I think both players went for the ball in an
:21:27. > :21:34.aggressive way. It was probably a fair sending off. I keep thinking
:21:34. > :21:39.that you need to support the referees during the match, not to
:21:39. > :21:46.make their life difficult. When nobody hurts you and you pretend the
:21:46. > :21:51.opponent had a contact and hurts you, you are putting the referee in
:21:51. > :21:58.a very difficult situation. The referee trusts the player, and gives
:21:58. > :22:02.a bad decision so I am very sad about that. Those post-match
:22:03. > :22:05.interviews were used to get the messages they wanted to get across
:22:05. > :22:12.interviews were used to get the from both managers. We will come to
:22:12. > :22:26.the Torres incident shortly. Let's talk about how Juan Mata changed the
:22:26. > :22:31.game. I was on my way to Swansea... You have mentioned it a few times!
:22:31. > :22:36.Most people cannot understand it but there seems to be a general thread
:22:36. > :22:42.among Chelsea fans that Jose Mourinho knows what he is doing and
:22:42. > :22:46.we will be all right. I just love him post-match. He came back
:22:47. > :22:52.supposedly a reformed character, no longer the Special One, the happy
:22:52. > :23:01.one, the reformed one, he has still got it. He certainly has. About Juan
:23:01. > :23:06.Mata, a producer on the show said if your boss asks you to do something
:23:06. > :23:08.differently, you do that, you should do what your boss asks you to do so
:23:08. > :23:14.if the boss is asking Juan Mata to do what your boss asks you to do so
:23:14. > :23:21.change his style for the greater good of the team, then should he do
:23:21. > :23:25.that? If he can, it might not be in his tool box what he has been asked
:23:25. > :23:29.to do. I don't understand the situation because you have one
:23:29. > :23:36.player who has played virtually every Premier league game for two
:23:36. > :23:41.years, an unbelievable talent, a player that everyone in the world
:23:41. > :23:46.would sign in an instant. A player who cannot get into the Spanish
:23:46. > :23:50.team, which is unbelievable by the way, then Jose Mourinho comes back
:23:50. > :23:54.and looks at the other small guys up front and thinks they are better
:23:54. > :24:01.players because they run, they track back. This is what he wants, he
:24:01. > :24:06.wants every player in his team to TrackBack. That is not his skill,
:24:06. > :24:10.and we saw that very clearly, demonstrated yesterday. As soon as
:24:10. > :24:15.he came on the pitch, Chelsea became a much better team and you can argue
:24:15. > :24:20.that retaining the ball, actually trying to score is the best way of
:24:20. > :24:24.defence. Barcelona have been practising that the years. That is
:24:24. > :24:29.the best defensive team I have seen for years, they keep the ball so the
:24:29. > :24:33.other team cannot score, but Jose Mourinho is going back to what he
:24:33. > :24:38.did when he first came into the Premier league and it worked back
:24:38. > :24:45.then, I'm not sure it can work this time around. Post-match, I think he
:24:45. > :24:47.looks different. I think he is still putting his messages across but he
:24:47. > :24:55.looks different. I think he is still hasn't got that arrogance and that
:24:55. > :24:59.sort of presence. I think it is only Chelsea supporters at this moment in
:24:59. > :25:06.time that thinks everything he is doing at the moment is great. Do you
:25:06. > :25:13.think he has lost self-confidence? He is a more mature guy now, much
:25:13. > :25:26.more experienced. He had a good time and tough time at Inter, and again
:25:26. > :25:31.at Real Madrid similar experiences. He has not come barging in, he did
:25:31. > :25:37.that when he first arrived and it was great, it was refreshing. I am
:25:37. > :25:45.so delighted he is back because I still rate him as one of the best
:25:45. > :25:46.managers and he is so funny as well. One viewer says, fantastic to see
:25:46. > :25:53.Juan Mata back, and even better to One viewer says, fantastic to see
:25:53. > :26:00.see him tracking back in the defence to do the same. He goes on to say,
:26:01. > :26:02.Torres was magnificent. We will go on to talk about that and the red
:26:02. > :26:17.card. We are now going to be on to talk about that and the red
:26:18. > :26:21.city versus Norwich game. Stoke are easy because they are on
:26:21. > :26:34.changed so Kenwyne Jones keeps his place even though no Stoke player
:26:34. > :26:38.has scored this season. Norwich manager is perhaps unfairly under
:26:38. > :26:43.the microscope with just the one win and three league goals so far for
:26:43. > :26:51.his team but what is fair in football these days! He makes three
:26:51. > :27:01.changes, Bassong is injured, Olsen is in, and also Pilkington gets a
:27:01. > :27:02.start. Gary Hooper, despite his midweek goals, is still on the
:27:02. > :27:10.bench. Neal has just made a very midweek goals, is still on the
:27:10. > :27:13.good point about how everyone in the media put people under the
:27:14. > :27:18.microscope and then spend a lot of time discussing how it is on fair to
:27:18. > :27:24.put them under the microscope! Let's put Fernando Torres under the
:27:24. > :27:29.microscope because he did very well for Chelsea yesterday. He had a very
:27:29. > :27:35.good 80 minutes before he got his second yellow card. Danny Murphy
:27:35. > :27:44.thought he was unlucky he hadn't gone earlier. I have never seen
:27:44. > :27:49.anything quite like it, it was awed and it was a shame because he did
:27:49. > :27:54.look really at it yesterday. He had power, he had pace, he had
:27:54. > :27:59.presence, he looked a real threat. The second yellow card is
:27:59. > :28:02.ridiculous, I don't know what the referee has seen, maybe he became
:28:02. > :28:08.aware of what happened earlier which he didn't act on. It is a shameful
:28:08. > :28:21.Fernando Torres because he looks like a player again. What he has
:28:21. > :28:25.done initially is unforgivable. The referee cannot have seen anything.
:28:25. > :28:27.He must have kind of guest. Yes, I don't think it was anything, not
:28:27. > :28:30.even a foul. What I am surprised about this morning is looking at the
:28:30. > :28:39.newspapers and the scratching incident is not the headline. You
:28:39. > :28:47.see Luis Suarez, saying, "I will change" . If Luis Suarez had done
:28:47. > :28:53.that, people would have cried. I don't see any difference in biting
:28:53. > :28:58.and scratching a player. That strong? You cannot do that, you
:28:58. > :29:03.cannot raise your hands in modern-day football, you cannot do
:29:03. > :29:11.anything threatening. Did Suarez take a proper bite great no, he
:29:12. > :29:18.didn't. Would it have been worse if he had drawn blood? I'm happy for
:29:18. > :29:26.both of them he didn't do that but Jose Mourinho has worked wonders
:29:26. > :29:31.with Torres. I cannot remember playing this well since his best
:29:31. > :29:34.days at Liverpool, but to do that, it is taking so much of his
:29:34. > :29:42.performance and I don't know why that is not a debate today. I hope
:29:42. > :29:46.you enjoyed that conversation during your Sunday roast dinner! Let's talk
:29:46. > :29:52.you enjoyed that conversation during to Mark E Mackay because the Cardiff
:29:52. > :29:58.manager joins us live to talk about the Cardiff win at Fulham yesterday.
:29:58. > :30:05.Do you feel you deserve the full three points yesterday? yes, I think
:30:05. > :30:10.so. We played really well from the first minute, we played really well
:30:11. > :30:14.from the first minute and created a lot of chances, we were disappointed
:30:14. > :30:18.to come in level at half-time, a fantastic strike by Ruiz, but we had
:30:19. > :30:21.dominated. The second half was a lot more even but we pushed for the win,
:30:21. > :30:26.we put three subs on to get the more even but we pushed for the win,
:30:26. > :30:31.and we finally did that. It was a great three points. Are you happy
:30:31. > :30:35.with both sides of your team at the moment? Attacking and defending? We
:30:35. > :30:40.have done a lot of analysis on Match of the Day this season about how
:30:40. > :30:45.impressive your team is so far, are you happy with the amount you are
:30:45. > :30:49.creating? We had four really good chances last week against Spurs, who
:30:49. > :30:55.are a top team. We have scored against Man City as well, we scored
:30:55. > :30:59.are a top team. We have scored up at Hull, really good goal, and
:30:59. > :31:03.yesterday we had over 20 shots at their goal. I think Peter Odom
:31:03. > :31:10.Winkie helps, he is a really experienced player who knows where
:31:10. > :31:22.the goal is, so I was delighted to get him in -- Peter Odemwingie. I
:31:22. > :31:25.wonder if Jordan Mutch has come back down to earth yet, what a goal. And
:31:25. > :31:30.it was on his back foot, he is a down to earth yet, what a goal. And
:31:30. > :31:34.fantastic young player and can strike it with either foot, it was a
:31:34. > :31:40.fantastic young player and can little bit special, and as I said,
:31:40. > :31:43.Ruiz's goal was very good, and if you get top-quality players a chance
:31:43. > :31:48.from 25 yards, they will hit the target, put it in the top corner.
:31:48. > :31:52.Can you give us an inside, you played at Saturday at 3pm, you are
:31:52. > :31:55.talking to us now, have you actually watched the game back in full
:31:56. > :32:01.already since yesterday and do you get the players in later for a warm
:32:01. > :32:04.them, or have they done that? I watched it late last night, and then
:32:04. > :32:12.this morning, the players came in watched it late last night, and then
:32:12. > :32:16.for a warm down. The boys who do not play have a 45 minute session, the
:32:16. > :32:20.ones who did will have a warm down. They will have tomorrow off and then
:32:20. > :32:24.Tuesday, we will be together and we will debrief, 15 or 20 minutes, show
:32:24. > :32:28.them the good things and the bad things, then it goes to bed and we
:32:28. > :32:33.start preparing for Newcastle, which is next week. Thank you for joining
:32:33. > :32:39.us this Sunday lunchtime, it is appreciated. A pleasure, guys. Malky
:32:39. > :32:48.Mackay. There are two sides to every story. The Independent on Sunday's
:32:48. > :32:50.headline is about Jol having his job on the line. He is very much the
:32:51. > :33:02.next manager under pressure, isn't he? It is interesting, the names
:33:02. > :33:04.being mentioned to come in. I think one of the candidates is someone
:33:04. > :33:08.David Moyes should have kept on to help with the transition. I am not
:33:09. > :33:13.sure what the Fulham fans are really expecting to happen. I think he has
:33:13. > :33:17.lost five late goals, or something like that. There is a concentration
:33:17. > :33:24.issue, clearly, at the end, towards the end of matches. Is there an age
:33:24. > :33:35.issue? Their average age yesterday was 29 years and 201 days. It sends
:33:35. > :33:40.young Timmy! To me as well. -- it sounds young to me. Last season, it
:33:40. > :33:44.was over 30. Is there a problem? I don't think there is, you can argue
:33:44. > :33:47.that the squad is very experienced. We have to look at what kind of
:33:48. > :33:52.football club for them is. It is not a club you would expect in the top
:33:52. > :33:56.four, and you wouldn't expect them to be relegated either. It is a
:33:56. > :34:04.middle of the road Premier League club and they have been doing that
:34:04. > :34:06.there or thereabouts, consistently, for the past few years. And the way
:34:06. > :34:11.you stay there is you win some and for the past few years. And the way
:34:11. > :34:16.lose some and yesterday they lost the game. Early on in the season, it
:34:16. > :34:20.looks bad, and Martin Jol, he was pictured yesterday on Match of the
:34:20. > :34:23.Day looking very disgruntled with the whole situation. That doesn't
:34:23. > :34:31.help. It is just an unfortunate moment. That is the image you take
:34:31. > :34:34.through to today. He came in with a fantastic reputation. I think he has
:34:34. > :34:43.done really, really well with Fulham. I think adding to his
:34:44. > :34:48.coaching staff will help the football club and I think it would
:34:48. > :34:50.be crazy, just because you are six games in, to sack any kind of
:34:50. > :34:55.manager. A lot of it comes down to games in, to sack any kind of
:34:55. > :35:02.the new owner and his mentality. He might see Fulham is a top half team.
:35:02. > :35:06.You only have to look at the history of new owners coming in and reacting
:35:06. > :35:10.quickly and before they know it, they have to react again, and then
:35:10. > :35:17.you are in a spiral but you cannot stop. You just create problem after
:35:17. > :35:24.problem. What you have is a safe pair of hands. He knows how to
:35:24. > :35:27.manage, he knows how to coach. I think it is a really good thing to
:35:27. > :35:32.bring in Rene, because it will change things instantly. They are
:35:33. > :35:40.talking about him coming in as new manager, not just on the coaching
:35:40. > :35:49.staff. Macro blue he has already got rid of one MJ, the statue has gone.
:35:49. > :36:01.He has been itching to say that. Though, it just came to me! He has
:36:01. > :36:06.his script under the table. We have had this text as well. Half an hour
:36:06. > :36:10.in, and still no mention of Hull City? Haven't you noticed we are
:36:10. > :36:14.seventh in the table? I wouldn't have said that if I were you,
:36:14. > :36:23.because we have Curtis Davies lined up to join us. We are going to talk
:36:23. > :36:27.about them properly. Good. How is it going? Very good. It has been an
:36:27. > :36:32.incredibly solid start for you, hasn't it? It has. I think
:36:32. > :36:36.especially in the games that we should win, or we can win, we have
:36:36. > :36:42.done Ridgewell in those games. Obviously, we drew one against
:36:42. > :36:46.Cardiff when we could have won but that's sorted itself out with
:36:46. > :36:48.getting a good win at Newcastle. The main thing is we have come into this
:36:48. > :36:51.league and we have managed to put a main thing is we have come into this
:36:51. > :36:56.stamp then that we are not going to be the whipping boys and go down
:36:56. > :37:00.without a fight. Do you do that as a group of players? Does your manager
:37:00. > :37:04.set out the targets, we expect three points from this game or a point
:37:04. > :37:09.from that game? Or do you just do it subconsciously as a group? I think
:37:09. > :37:12.it is a more subconscious thing. I don't think the manager wants to put
:37:12. > :37:16.added pressure on, we need to win that one or this one, sort of thing.
:37:17. > :37:19.We know in ourselves the type of games we should be going into and
:37:19. > :37:23.expecting to win or at least take a games we should be going into and
:37:24. > :37:27.point from, and we saw that going into the Newcastle game. We knew we
:37:27. > :37:29.could possibly get points up there and to get three was massive for us.
:37:29. > :37:33.We knew we were coming into two home and to get three was massive for us.
:37:33. > :37:37.games against West Ham and Aston Villa, and again, they are games
:37:37. > :37:40.that we think we can take points from. The points tally overall so
:37:41. > :37:47.far after six games is looking quite good. Curtis, it is Peter
:37:47. > :37:51.Schmeichel. Obviously, my son was rumoured to come to Hull. What is
:37:51. > :37:54.the atmosphere like in the dressing room? Is it a case of virtue
:37:54. > :37:55.the atmosphere like in the dressing believe you have started so well
:37:55. > :38:03.the atmosphere like in the dressing is it a case of, this is what we
:38:03. > :38:08.expected? It is really strong. We looked around the changing room and
:38:08. > :38:12.we knew what we had. Obviously, we haven't got a deep squad, like other
:38:12. > :38:18.squads, but we know that we have got the potential 16-18 players that can
:38:18. > :38:22.squads, but we know that we have got come in and play with no pressure.
:38:23. > :38:27.We know we are good enough, we have made very good signings late on with
:38:27. > :38:32.Tom and Jake coming in and I think they have really helped us to
:38:32. > :38:36.basically become a Premier League team as such. We know what we made
:38:36. > :38:39.up and we are not surprised at how we have done, because we believe we
:38:40. > :38:47.are a good footballing team and can give anyone game. Can I ask you
:38:47. > :38:51.about Steve Bruce? He has a great managerial record at various clubs.
:38:51. > :38:57.What is it that he does for you, gives a club like Hull? I think the
:38:57. > :38:59.manager goes out to win football matches, and he knows how to
:38:59. > :39:05.approach different games. Some managers get tied into wanting to
:39:05. > :39:11.play a certain style, and get carried away with that too much.
:39:11. > :39:15.Whereas our manager will approach a different game with a certain
:39:15. > :39:18.mentality and hopefully, that will be the tactics that work on the day.
:39:18. > :39:22.So I think the manager, he has been be the tactics that work on the day.
:39:22. > :39:25.around the block, done very well in the Premier League and I think the
:39:25. > :39:31.group of players that he has got, the ones he puts on us, are able to
:39:31. > :39:36.deliver. Curtis, we appreciate you talking to us, thank you. Curtis
:39:36. > :39:39.Davies, the Hull captain. One of the game we will touch on from
:39:39. > :39:42.Davies, the Hull captain. One of the yesterday, we can't do every game,
:39:42. > :39:47.because there is too much to cramming, I'm trying to pre-empt the
:39:47. > :39:52.complaints and the abuse, Manchester City's defeat at Aston Villa. From
:39:52. > :39:57.what you saw that game, where city slightly unlucky, not taking
:39:57. > :40:00.anything away from Villa? It was an unbelievable game but it sums the
:40:00. > :40:05.Premier League up, it is why it is the best in the world. You have a
:40:05. > :40:07.Manchester City team probably near enough the best that they can put
:40:07. > :40:10.out, unbelievable on enough the best that they can put
:40:10. > :40:13.played really well, and they still came away with a 3-2 defeat from a
:40:13. > :40:16.game they never should have came away with a 3-2 defeat from a
:40:16. > :40:22.You could argue that they should have scored one or two more, but for
:40:22. > :40:25.me, that is the Premier League, that is what you get with that league.
:40:25. > :40:30.You get the best teams in the world, they can lose games and it was kind
:40:30. > :40:37.of a fluky result in a way, because the goals that Aston Villa scored,
:40:37. > :40:42.but credit to them and West Brom. This is exactly what Roberto Mancini
:40:42. > :40:45.went on about last season, it is about mentality and he was comparing
:40:45. > :40:48.it to Manchester United. Manchester United, up until this season, would
:40:48. > :40:54.always win the games they were meant to win and he felt his players did
:40:54. > :40:56.not take as serious a game like yesterday is as they would
:40:56. > :41:01.Manchester United, as they would Liverpool or Chelsea. He kept going
:41:01. > :41:05.on and on about the mentality of the players and he tried to drive at
:41:05. > :41:09.home. That is why he was such a hard task master, he wanted them to make
:41:09. > :41:14.sure they took everything seriously. We saw results at QPR and
:41:14. > :41:18.Southampton last season. Do not think they did that last season?
:41:18. > :41:24.They were unlucky with the goals they conceded. One was offside. It
:41:24. > :41:29.is unfortunate, but they did it a lot last season. They dominated the
:41:30. > :41:34.teams and didn't finish them off, whereas in the past, United would
:41:34. > :41:36.finish them off. They are the best squad in the Premier League,
:41:36. > :41:40.probably the best team. You look at it and they should win it, but they
:41:40. > :41:45.won't if they can't finish teams of when they are on top and that is
:41:45. > :41:50.what went wrong last season. Let's go back to Sunderland against
:41:50. > :42:00.Liverpool. Paolo to Kenny has dominated the media throughout the
:42:00. > :42:06.week -- Di Canio. Harry Redknapp has said, how do you try and turn them
:42:06. > :42:11.into a proper team? His other mistakes were criticising them in
:42:11. > :42:15.public and training them too hard, how dare he? What you think about
:42:15. > :42:20.those words? I think there is more to it than that, but most people
:42:20. > :42:23.agree with the sentiment. They don't mind the criticism and training them
:42:23. > :42:26.hard but some of the things bordered on lunacy and it couldn't carry on
:42:26. > :42:32.any longer. Sunderland, from my point of view, it is a club quite
:42:32. > :42:39.close to my heart, I used a work up there and I think that they should
:42:39. > :42:41.give Kevin Ball, not necessarily full-time, but do not rush. Gus
:42:42. > :42:47.Poyet is still the favourite to get the job, but why hasn't he got it
:42:47. > :42:55.yet? Fan who has text it is anonymously says that Gus Poyet and
:42:55. > :43:03.Steve McLaren is not the right person, and they should take a
:43:03. > :43:08.chance on Renault Meulenstein. He is a rookie but he has worked alongside
:43:08. > :43:18.the best manager in the history of the league. I read a story today
:43:18. > :43:23.about di Canio swallowing water then spitting it on his own face, he was
:43:23. > :43:25.clearly a bit unhinged. You can't do this every single week to shift the
:43:25. > :43:28.attention away from your own this every single week to shift the
:43:28. > :43:31.failings. He has brought a lot of players in and immediately claimed
:43:31. > :43:32.one of them wasn't good enough to play for them, so that is his
:43:32. > :43:38.mistake. I don't know play for them, so that is his
:43:38. > :43:43.Sunderland were expecting. Very quickly, Peter, who should they
:43:43. > :43:51.appoint? I agree with Guy, you sit back and you breathe and take your
:43:51. > :43:57.time and get it right this time. They have Manchester United next, so
:43:57. > :44:02.they will be all right. They have a very home grid hard home fixture.
:44:02. > :44:05.Thank you very much. All of today's games are on Match of the Day to
:44:06. > :44:11.tonight on BBC One and Sunderland against Liverpool, live on five live
:44:11. > :44:13.from 4pm this afternoon. We will see you next week.