:00:29. > :00:32.Good afternoon, welcome to Match of the Day 2 Extra on BBC Two,
:00:33. > :00:33.Radio 5 live and the BBC Sport website.
:00:34. > :00:36.Joining me are the former Blackburn and Celtic striker Shris Sutton,
:00:37. > :00:38.ex-Everton midfielder Leon Osman and the chief sports writer
:00:39. > :00:43.Get in touch using the hashtag #bbcfootball on social media
:00:44. > :00:53.Coming up, we'll reflect on Sunderland's relegation
:00:54. > :00:56.to the Championship and ask what next for David Moyes.
:00:57. > :00:59.As Hull inch closer to safety, we'll assess the job done by Marco Silva
:01:00. > :01:04.And we'll look ahead to a big afternoon at both ends of the table
:01:05. > :01:23.The back pages are dominated by the boxing and Anthony Joshua. If you're
:01:24. > :01:26.looking for football, it is all Sunderland.
:01:27. > :01:30.The Sun on Sunday leads with "Down N Out."
:01:31. > :01:32.And The Express quotes David Moyes, saying yesterday
:01:33. > :01:44.We will hear from David Moyes shortly, but there is a new kick-off
:01:45. > :01:49.at Old Trafford, Man Utd against Swansea. So far, Will Perry, Swansea
:01:50. > :01:53.have created the better chances? Yes, but as you came to me there was
:01:54. > :01:59.a brilliant chance, a ball through for Jesse Lingard who took it on the
:02:00. > :02:03.volley, a superb save by Lukaz Fabianski. Manchester United have
:02:04. > :02:06.the corner, cleared away by Federico Fernandez, just before that Swansea
:02:07. > :02:13.had a brilliant chance down the other end. Llorente pulled up a
:02:14. > :02:17.short and that was the most unorthodox save from David de Gea.
:02:18. > :02:20.This has opened up but it is still goalless. We will keep you updated
:02:21. > :02:24.throughout the course of the show. Let's start at the bottom
:02:25. > :02:26.then and Sunderland's relegation after their 1-0
:02:27. > :02:29.defeat to Bournemouth. They will be playing Championship
:02:30. > :02:40.football next season. Sadly, we will obviously
:02:41. > :02:45.disappointed, Highfield more for the supporters who watch regularly, you
:02:46. > :02:48.feel it most about them -- I feel more for the supporters. We take
:02:49. > :02:52.collective responsibility from the top to the bottom and we dust
:02:53. > :02:57.ourselves down, we look at it over the next few weeks and see what we
:02:58. > :03:01.had to do. You have had lots of highs in your career, how difficult
:03:02. > :03:09.was it going into the dressing room? I don't know the words you can say
:03:10. > :03:12.to the players. But I thought that they fought really hard for the
:03:13. > :03:16.team, they fought for the jersey, they were extremely committed.
:03:17. > :03:22.Because of that it is very difficult to fault them. What would you say to
:03:23. > :03:25.the over 38,000 supporters that were here? We are disappointed with the
:03:26. > :03:32.level of performance all season, we will do everything we can to get it
:03:33. > :03:36.right and in the comp... Coming weeks we will address it and have
:03:37. > :03:41.more to say about it, hopefully. You said you would look at it at the end
:03:42. > :03:45.of the season, do you have a burning desire of unfinished business to get
:03:46. > :03:49.this club back in the Premier League? When I sit down with Alice
:03:50. > :03:54.and Martin, we will look at how we can do that as quickly as possible.
:03:55. > :03:58.You have generally seen as challenge through in your career? This is a
:03:59. > :04:04.great football club, you mentioned the amount of supporters, if
:04:05. > :04:08.anything I feel for them, they are the ones who put their hard earned
:04:09. > :04:12.cash into coming to the games, we have to try to give them something
:04:13. > :04:15.to shout about. He called it collective
:04:16. > :04:21.responsibility, Chris Sutton, from the top to the bottom.
:04:22. > :04:24.Is that fair? I think so, when you look at how other sides have
:04:25. > :04:29.strengthened in January who were towards the bottom, he was not dealt
:04:30. > :04:38.a good hand, but he did not help himself, he was extremely negative
:04:39. > :04:40.at the start of the season. But it has been coming for years, a
:04:41. > :04:43.Sunderland relegation, I don't think the owner has helped. Are they still
:04:44. > :04:47.trying to sell? You talk about whether David Moyes will stay on, if
:04:48. > :04:51.he does not get the funds next season, and you take Defoe and
:04:52. > :04:56.Pickford out of the team, is that good enough to bounce straight back?
:04:57. > :05:00.It is not. You mentioned the Sunderland owner, I will read you
:05:01. > :05:02.part of his statement released after the relegation, he said I
:05:03. > :05:31.acknowledge that mistakes have been majoring my ownership.
:05:32. > :05:38.Ollie Hoult, the line there is strong determination to do so
:05:39. > :05:44.throughout the club could well be questioned by lots of Sunderland
:05:45. > :05:47.fans? Chris is absolutely spot-on about the owner. There has been a
:05:48. > :05:52.lot of talk about Mike Ashley and how he needs to make up his mind
:05:53. > :05:58.what policy he wants to adopt with the funding of Newcastle, and I
:05:59. > :06:01.think the same absolutely applies to Ellis Short. They have been playing
:06:02. > :06:06.brinksmanship for years, they have stayed in the top division for ten
:06:07. > :06:11.years but taken it to the wire. They have spent 816 days in the
:06:12. > :06:16.relegation zone since their promotion in 2007. If they want to
:06:17. > :06:21.be in the Premier League, they need to invest more. David Moyes has
:06:22. > :06:25.taken a lot of flak, and Chris is right, his tone has been funereal,
:06:26. > :06:38.as everyone has accepted, since the start, and that
:06:39. > :06:42.has not in him or the club any favours, but I think there is an
:06:43. > :06:44.underlying trend which is downwards and playing brinksmanship with the
:06:45. > :06:47.club's future. If the club is to progress and optimism is to return,
:06:48. > :06:50.they need investment from the top. Leon Osman, when it comes to David
:06:51. > :06:53.Moyes, negativity, being resigned to going down or however you want to
:06:54. > :06:58.look at it, lots of other clubs in the bottom half of the table, their
:06:59. > :07:04.managers have never appeared defeatist, whether it be Sean Dyche
:07:05. > :07:08.in Birmingham, Marco Silva at Hull, and yet it has felt different at
:07:09. > :07:13.Sunderland, rightly or wrongly it has felt defeatist from the start?
:07:14. > :07:18.You see it in his body language in all of the interviews he has done,
:07:19. > :07:22.probably over the course of the season. He looks like he has gone
:07:23. > :07:28.into the club, got into a big club, somewhere he can see a forward plan
:07:29. > :07:34.going in, once got there he realised that the task is much bigger than he
:07:35. > :07:39.realised. He probably only realise the problems going on at Sunderland
:07:40. > :07:42.once he was inside the walls. He looks like he found out rather soon
:07:43. > :07:48.that things were bigger... You said to me on 5 live the other night when
:07:49. > :07:51.we watched them lose at Middlesbrough the other night, you
:07:52. > :07:56.were talking about, you know, you used to see him on the touchline,
:07:57. > :08:00.eyes bulging, fists punching, shouting. He would have had
:08:01. > :08:06.challenging moments managing new at Everton but he was different then?
:08:07. > :08:13.Was he? Definitely. As I mentioned the other night, it was the
:08:14. > :08:16.assistant manager on the touchline shouting and screaming at the
:08:17. > :08:19.players. That is a long way from the David Moyes that I was used to, eyes
:08:20. > :08:25.popping out of his head, screaming and caught up in the game. He just
:08:26. > :08:29.does not seem to be doing that at the moment. I don't know if he was
:08:30. > :08:35.disillusioned by the size of the task at Sunderland. There is a
:08:36. > :08:39.slight poignancy about Moyes, his greatest moment mark the start of
:08:40. > :08:45.his decline, his appointment as Man United manager. I think there is a
:08:46. > :08:49.sense about him of disillusionment about that, he has been unable to
:08:50. > :08:55.stop the decline since then. If they parted ways, Sunderland and David
:08:56. > :09:00.Moyes, where is his next job? I would question if he would get one.
:09:01. > :09:05.Because of what happened at Sunderland or because of what Ollie
:09:06. > :09:09.says? Because of the negativity about United, Real Sociedad, they
:09:10. > :09:14.did not get any worse but they did not get any better. Sunderland was a
:09:15. > :09:20.tough task, but with the way he is now perceived... Where would his
:09:21. > :09:26.next job be? A base is he a good manager? He has proven over the
:09:27. > :09:32.years, at Everton and Preston, that he can build teams. I would like to
:09:33. > :09:37.see him stay. The question over him staying, I think is with Ellis Short
:09:38. > :09:43.and whether he gets enough funds and can bring players in who he likes.
:09:44. > :09:47.That is the big question. In my opinion, there is no doubt that he
:09:48. > :09:50.is a good manager, but one of the other things that makes him seem
:09:51. > :09:55.quite upset and down at the moment is that even if they go down, they
:09:56. > :09:59.are not guaranteed to come straight back up. They have been that poor
:10:00. > :10:05.this season that it might take two or three seasons to get them back
:10:06. > :10:11.up. Will they give him the time? Is he prepared to stay around? Will it
:10:12. > :10:15.suits him in the Championship, where he can build and start again? That
:10:16. > :10:20.is what he did as Preston and Everton and he was given the time to
:10:21. > :10:25.do that, to start again from scratch. But if you save time and
:10:26. > :10:28.rebuild and all of those words, there needs to be a sense of realism
:10:29. > :10:35.around the football club and from the fans that it might not be next
:10:36. > :10:39.season or the season after, it might be three years before they go up.
:10:40. > :10:42.But in the course of that, constant questions will remain about David
:10:43. > :10:48.Moyes, because he is not getting Sunderland back at the first
:10:49. > :10:51.attempt. Ellis Short touched on it, recruitment. David Moyes will want a
:10:52. > :10:58.squat or a team which he feels he has a chance of getting back -- a
:10:59. > :11:03.squad or a team. We have seen Aston Villa in freefall, it is not easy.
:11:04. > :11:09.You wrote an article last week, Ollie, about the potential of clubs
:11:10. > :11:12.such as Sunderland, I don't know if you mentioned them themselves, but
:11:13. > :11:17.remaining their training base to help attract players. Did you get a
:11:18. > :11:25.lot of stick for that? I got some stick. It was something that Gary
:11:26. > :11:32.Neville had mentioned, he had heard about it, that there is talk doing
:11:33. > :11:37.the rounds within football. There are precedents, slightly extreme
:11:38. > :11:42.presidents, in Russia, for instance, one team bought very big-name
:11:43. > :11:51.players and trained them near Moscow and they flew into matches. In
:11:52. > :11:55.England, we still very much feel but the club should be part of the
:11:56. > :11:59.community and its needs to be, there need to be links with the community.
:12:00. > :12:05.I think the bigger issue with the idea of clubs in the north-east,
:12:06. > :12:08.say, having training grounds in London and having their players fly
:12:09. > :12:13.in and out of games is it would go totally against that ceiling. I am
:12:14. > :12:20.not sure... Supporters would not stand for it. My instinct is a
:12:21. > :12:27.supporter, one, if you don't like where we are then, quite frankly,
:12:28. > :12:30.don't come and secondly, the theory is not necessarily true in that
:12:31. > :12:35.virtually all of the clubs in this country, there are lovely places to
:12:36. > :12:40.live. It is not... It is very easy for you to say don't come if you
:12:41. > :12:46.don't like it, but then they won't come, which means you are not
:12:47. > :12:50.competing with the London clubs who, in the modern era of English
:12:51. > :12:55.football where we are a very cosmopolitan... We have suddenly
:12:56. > :12:58.become very cosmopolitan culture, players are coming from abroad,
:12:59. > :13:02.rightly or wrongly, I am from the North like you and I know how lovely
:13:03. > :13:08.it is to live appear, but lots of those players want to live in
:13:09. > :13:12.London. Clubs are part of the community, they do visits and things
:13:13. > :13:16.to help local charities and if you are not based there you will never
:13:17. > :13:20.be able to do that. But there will probably be a limit on Watson blend
:13:21. > :13:24.can do, as you mentioned players will not go up there -- there will
:13:25. > :13:29.probably be a limit on what Sunderland can do. Is there a limit
:13:30. > :13:34.tense because they cannot attract players to give them the chance of
:13:35. > :13:38.going for a league title, long-term? My producer in my ear has said that
:13:39. > :13:42.Chris is looking at you as if this is the most ludicrous thing you have
:13:43. > :13:53.ever heard. I would say that happens regularly! Not regularly. It is
:13:54. > :13:57.utterly ridiculous, isn't it? It is. People talk about football clubs'
:13:58. > :14:02.identity, are football fans going to want to turn up and pay their
:14:03. > :14:08.hardened money for people that do not want to buy into the city or the
:14:09. > :14:11.club? But we are losing this identity by degrees. There was a
:14:12. > :14:23.time when lots of the players came from the area where they played. We
:14:24. > :14:27.lost that quite a long time ago. There were 12-macro players from
:14:28. > :14:34.Manchester in the Manchester derby. Whatever sort of example does that
:14:35. > :14:41.set? If you don't want to be here... Does Mourinho buy buy into that at
:14:42. > :14:47.United? I won't disagree, I don't think it is right. The final day of
:14:48. > :14:52.League 1 fixtures this lunchtime, Bolton are a goal up on pita bread,
:14:53. > :15:00.it is between them and Fleetwood on who takes the final automatic
:15:01. > :15:05.promotion spot. Bolton Leeds Peterborough 1-0. Moving onto Hull,
:15:06. > :15:13.does the argument apply? I suppose it would do? It applies to any
:15:14. > :15:19.northern clubs, I suppose, any clubs that are not within shooting
:15:20. > :15:22.distance of London. Let's hear from the Hull manager Marco Silva, they
:15:23. > :15:30.had a goal a straw at Southampton yesterday. He spoke to Gary Lineker.
:15:31. > :15:35.How are you enjoying life in the Premier League? Fantastic, it was
:15:36. > :15:42.one goal I had in my career, when I started my career I wanted to prove
:15:43. > :15:46.in my country my competence and the competence of my staff, but it is
:15:47. > :15:51.one goal I had in my career, at the moment I am here and I enjoy it but
:15:52. > :15:55.I need to prove every day my competence for my players, first of
:15:56. > :16:01.all. I had to win games with my team. Are you surprised that the job
:16:02. > :16:06.he has done? Turnaround, yes. Because I thought they were dead and
:16:07. > :16:11.buried at the start of the season, going into January they sold
:16:12. > :16:14.arguably best two players, but we talked about Sunderland, his
:16:15. > :16:21.recruitment in January, players which he has earmarked. One of them
:16:22. > :16:26.could not get a game for Everton reserves. I think that has been the
:16:27. > :16:30.difference. People talk about their away record, they have had tough
:16:31. > :16:32.away games, but the home record is sensational. A big point yesterday,
:16:33. > :16:42.huge. He has also brought the best out of
:16:43. > :16:45.Harry Maguire and Sam Clucas. It is not just about the players he has
:16:46. > :16:49.brought in but the improvement in the players he has got there as
:16:50. > :16:53.well. Yes. Credit to him but also credit to the people in the
:16:54. > :16:56.background who brought him in. I certainly was not expecting his name
:16:57. > :17:00.to be mentioned when he came in. I didn't really know who he was. I
:17:01. > :17:04.thought they might have made a big mistake in not going to somebody
:17:05. > :17:09.tried and tested but they seem to have picked the right man. His home
:17:10. > :17:13.record is fantastic. You mentioned the players already at the club and
:17:14. > :17:21.what this season, seconds after the season, he has had. -- what a
:17:22. > :17:25.season, the second half of the season, he has had. Part of the
:17:26. > :17:28.reason he has done such a good job is because the owners have done
:17:29. > :17:37.their best to alienate the fan base with a series of crazy decisions.
:17:38. > :17:42.The name change thing is one. The membership scheme that they have
:17:43. > :17:50.implemented is another. They have some brilliant fans at Hull that the
:17:51. > :17:55.owners don't deserve, frankly. They have made a great decision with
:17:56. > :17:59.Marco Silva but it was overdue. I want to come onto his future, but
:18:00. > :18:01.the point you make about the owners, we have discussed the owners that
:18:02. > :18:06.Sunderland and we could talk about the championship and Bolelli and
:18:07. > :18:10.Nottingham Forest and the disaffection there, and delete one,
:18:11. > :18:21.commentary, about to be relegated, and a Leighton Orient, and Torquay
:18:22. > :18:32.have struggled in the National League as well. -- in League One,
:18:33. > :18:36.commentary. This would be nice to be the season that there is a great
:18:37. > :18:40.look at the ownership of football clubs, wouldn't it? I think it would
:18:41. > :18:45.be lovely to think that but I also think it would be naive. We talk
:18:46. > :18:50.season after season about the fit and proper persons rule and what
:18:51. > :18:54.that means. And season after season, people seem to slip through that
:18:55. > :19:00.net. It seems to be a net with lots of holes. And we get situations like
:19:01. > :19:05.that Mork when the owners just disappear, like at Orient, where the
:19:06. > :19:17.owners betray the fans and a great club. -- like at Morecombe. And the
:19:18. > :19:20.betrayal goes right to the end, where they play the last minutes of
:19:21. > :19:25.the game behind closed doors, effectively. It is one of the things
:19:26. > :19:29.about the modern game and I wish we could combat it because it pains me
:19:30. > :19:37.when I see it, as it does all of us, I am sure, fans being treated like
:19:38. > :19:43.that. Not having a big enough squad and not investing, but they have got
:19:44. > :19:46.Marco Silva in. And right at the last moment they got all these
:19:47. > :19:57.players in. Do you think they will have to work hard to keep him? Yes.
:19:58. > :20:01.He will be courted. In this country and abroad? I would have thought so.
:20:02. > :20:06.Other Premier League clubs, do you think? Yes, he has come in and
:20:07. > :20:12.already shown that he can do it in the Premier League and get wins. I
:20:13. > :20:16.feel that the bottom half of the Premier League, people will be
:20:17. > :20:21.looking at him. He might want to move down south! Chris Sutton then
:20:22. > :20:27.rolled his eyes at that comment! Will it be hard to keep him? Chris
:20:28. > :20:31.will be laughing on the other side of his face when he does move south
:20:32. > :20:36.and he might well do that. I think he has done a brilliant job. He had
:20:37. > :20:42.an immediate impact. I was therefore not the first games under his
:20:43. > :20:45.control, Bournemouth home. -- I was there for one of the first games
:20:46. > :20:53.under his control, Bournemouth. He has recruited well. I don't agree
:20:54. > :20:58.with a lot of the things the ownership has done, but as Chris was
:20:59. > :21:04.alluding to when they sold Snodgrass and Tom Huddlestone, I thought they
:21:05. > :21:06.were surrendering, but they have it. They got that right with the
:21:07. > :21:12.recruitment and the changes they have made and they have every chance
:21:13. > :21:15.of staying up. Final day in League One, Bolton or Fleetwood will go up
:21:16. > :21:20.and Bolton are in the automatic promotion spot at the moment,
:21:21. > :21:27.starting the day on 83 points. The details on that game, Gary Flintoff.
:21:28. > :21:30.Bolton, they have the advantage. I deserved advantage. They have
:21:31. > :21:38.dominated the majority of the first 33 minutes. A sweet cross turned
:21:39. > :21:46.home at the far post by Carrick and. In truth Bolton have far more to
:21:47. > :21:52.play for. Fleetwood two points behind at the start of the day. They
:21:53. > :21:54.are at home to Port Vale. It is still goalless and a frustrating
:21:55. > :22:03.start from Fleetwood to have largely been divulged by relegation
:22:04. > :22:06.threatened Fleetwood. Both sides have already made injury enforced
:22:07. > :22:11.substitutions and a draw would not be enough to prevent Port Vale going
:22:12. > :22:15.down. 45 minutes gone, still goalless. Still goalless at Old
:22:16. > :22:17.Trafford and the Premier League between Manchester United and
:22:18. > :22:26.Swansea. And a word on Bailey, after their first away win of the season.
:22:27. > :22:31.WSDL Palace. -- a word on Burnley after their first away win of the
:22:32. > :22:35.season against Crystal Palace. Yes, they deserved it. I thought they
:22:36. > :22:42.played really well and they took the goals well and it is an overdue
:22:43. > :22:46.celebration for the fans. It is but going back to what we talked about
:22:47. > :22:50.earlier, Sean Dyche has talked Burnley up in a realistic way
:22:51. > :22:54.throughout the whole season. There is that but they have been better
:22:55. > :23:01.organised and they have had more of an all-round goal threat. I actually
:23:02. > :23:05.thought with Hull getting that point yesterday, Burnley were not sucked
:23:06. > :23:10.right back in. That was an unbelievable response and
:23:11. > :23:15.unexpected. Have they got a big summer ahead of them? He didn't go
:23:16. > :23:19.daft last season. But if Marco Silva comes into Hull and in half a season
:23:20. > :23:24.everybody is raving about him and where might he go next? Does that
:23:25. > :23:26.mean that Burnley will have a big summer headwind Sean Dyche and
:23:27. > :23:34.looking at certain areas of their squad if they lose football player?
:23:35. > :23:37.It will be interesting to see who they recruit. Why can't see Sean
:23:38. > :23:44.Dyche going anywhere that is what you are getting at. -- I can't see.
:23:45. > :23:49.I wasn't getting at it. I was just bloating it out there. You were
:23:50. > :23:57.getting at it. And given the week that Sean Dyche must have had as
:23:58. > :24:03.well. Yes, they made the decision to bring him back and he is an
:24:04. > :24:09.important player for them. Probably there is a slight feeling that
:24:10. > :24:13.everybody feels the length of the ban was rather harsh. Not an easy
:24:14. > :24:20.week. I certainly had Crystal Palace down for a win yesterday. It was a
:24:21. > :24:27.terrific result. The ban is harsh in the sense of in relation to players
:24:28. > :24:31.who have received suspensions for alleged racism or violent conduct or
:24:32. > :24:38.physical violence, however in relation to certain other betting
:24:39. > :24:41.problems, or players and managers getting involved in betting against
:24:42. > :24:47.their own team, it is fairly consistent. It is consistent. I
:24:48. > :24:52.agree with that. I agree that it is potentially a problem and absolutely
:24:53. > :24:55.something we should not overlook. Maybe a slightly different subject,
:24:56. > :25:07.tangential, but I would question in that case why the FA is sponsored by
:25:08. > :25:09.Ladbrokes. I think that is absurd. I think you abdicate any
:25:10. > :25:14.responsibility for policing the game in terms of betting if you take the
:25:15. > :25:17.money from a betting firm. I suppose the problem is no matter how small
:25:18. > :25:22.the amount that he bet on himself to be the first scorer, as I was
:25:23. > :25:27.talking to Lyon about the other night, in a fan's mind, no matter
:25:28. > :25:32.how small that that is, it could affect something in the game. You
:25:33. > :25:38.are going to shoot rather than pass. There are lots of things I am unsure
:25:39. > :25:42.about this. How you the length, and gambling is an addiction, but you
:25:43. > :25:51.can't bet against your own team. He knew the parameters and that was
:25:52. > :25:55.just plain daft. As players, you know you can't do it. That is wrong,
:25:56. > :26:04.betting against your own team. In terms of the length, I can't work it
:26:05. > :26:11.out. It is not proportionate. The rule came in in 2014, no betting at
:26:12. > :26:17.all, and he broke the rules. He is wrong and he admitted as such. He
:26:18. > :26:20.came out and he did that. I will mention again that I thought that
:26:21. > :26:25.the betting company has happily taken his money for ten years and
:26:26. > :26:28.then suddenly said, actually, we have noticed that he has been
:26:29. > :26:32.betting for so long and they should have stopped it. For those who are
:26:33. > :26:38.not listening the other night, you said when you're betting company
:26:39. > :26:45.realised that you had bet, you are suspended. I started betting again
:26:46. > :26:47.in October and by the end of October my account was suspended because
:26:48. > :26:50.they thought I was still playing football and I had to get it
:26:51. > :26:57.switched back on and thankfully I am now able to better again. They did
:26:58. > :27:01.that within four to six weeks that I started betting so you are telling
:27:02. > :27:08.me that they didn't notice for ten years that Joey Barton had a book
:27:09. > :27:12.account? Ridiculous. Ian Oswald, Chris Sutton and Ollie Holt are with
:27:13. > :27:19.me today this afternoon. -- Leon Osman. At 4:30pm there is commentary
:27:20. > :27:26.on the north London derby, Spurs against Arsenal, close to finishing
:27:27. > :27:31.ahead of Arsenal for the first time in years. But apparently that is not
:27:32. > :27:37.important. It just emphasises the fact that they are the dominant team
:27:38. > :27:43.at the moment. Arsenal say they are in for this derby, but they are not
:27:44. > :27:51.important at the moment. It is one way of belittling Arsenal and
:27:52. > :27:56.getting one over on them. Belittling or realistic? Probably both. Spurs
:27:57. > :28:01.have had an excellent season and Arsenal have not, notwithstanding
:28:02. > :28:10.the FA Cup final. Why shouldn't Spurs celebrate it? They are going
:28:11. > :28:14.to avoid that whatever the result this afternoon. Why shouldn't they
:28:15. > :28:19.celebrate it? They look like they are going in the right direction.
:28:20. > :28:24.The derby still needs something. To say they are going for the title,
:28:25. > :28:28.they probably mean it, but it is a local derby and it is important to
:28:29. > :28:35.the local players. I think Spurs will win comfortably. If you are
:28:36. > :28:39.player coming over to this country, who would you prefer to sign for?
:28:40. > :28:43.Every day of the week, Spurs over Arsenal because they are better.
:28:44. > :28:48.They have the better manager. It seems to be a more stable
:28:49. > :28:52.environment and a club which seems to be going places. Arsenal seems to
:28:53. > :28:58.be in reverse, until they make the decision over Arsene Wenger. There
:28:59. > :29:03.will always be that uncertainty. Who would you rather sign for? At the
:29:04. > :29:06.moment Spurs, as Chris said. They are improving year-on-year, moving
:29:07. > :29:11.forward, with a clear goal of where they are going, while Arsenal seemed
:29:12. > :29:14.to be in freefall, drifting. Mauricio Pochettino was asked this
:29:15. > :29:19.week if he could guarantee that Dele Alli would be at the club next
:29:20. > :29:26.season and this was his response. I can guarantee nothing in life. You
:29:27. > :29:35.know? The most important is to try to enjoy the present. I am so sad
:29:36. > :29:39.and I think you can understand. It is most important to be focused on
:29:40. > :29:42.the present and don't think too much about the future. In the future we
:29:43. > :29:55.will take the best decision for the club. After nearly three years, you
:29:56. > :30:00.can see how the team was improving. Always our decisions at the moment
:30:01. > :30:05.and so far are good. I think that is a great answer. It is irrelevant
:30:06. > :30:14.what I think but it is a great answer. It isn't irrelevant. It is!
:30:15. > :30:14.It is what you rethink. It is realistic, not sensationalist. I
:30:15. > :30:25.can't guarantee anything. I think Spurs have got the point
:30:26. > :30:27.that they have arrested the perception that they are a selling
:30:28. > :30:32.club. There was a period where they would sell their best players to
:30:33. > :30:37.United, seemingly season after season, sell their best players. OK,
:30:38. > :30:42.sometimes an offer comes a wrong than somebody like Gareth Bale but
:30:43. > :30:45.you can't refuse, and that might happen with Dele Alli at the mega
:30:46. > :30:49.offer comes from one of the Spanish giants, will probably go. It is
:30:50. > :30:54.quite refreshing to hear Pochettino talk like that. I hope that Dele
:30:55. > :30:59.Alli stays in our league, I must admit, but if a big offer comes in
:31:00. > :31:05.then he might go. What is he supposed to say? Ear is
:31:06. > :31:09.definitely staying, and then... It is a sensible answer. If he said he
:31:10. > :31:15.was definitely saying and then he sold the ?120 million, and afterward
:31:16. > :31:18.she can't refuse, Dele Alli says I want to go, you will look like an
:31:19. > :31:27.idiot and we would all be jumping on him. That is why I said I thought it
:31:28. > :31:33.was a good answer! It is just a confrontational way of saying he
:31:34. > :31:37.agrees. Him, confrontational, really ex-Mac if you were in that Spurs
:31:38. > :31:42.dressing room, given how this season has gone and last season has gone,
:31:43. > :31:49.if you feel like you were on the brink of something special, is it
:31:50. > :31:55.realistic to think that the group are talking about, come on, we have
:31:56. > :31:58.to state together? Yes. I would think that within the squad there
:31:59. > :32:03.are a few of them saying that. It would be interesting to see if he
:32:04. > :32:08.can keep the squad together. With them doing so well, there will be
:32:09. > :32:13.suitors after some of the players. They have not won anything again, do
:32:14. > :32:20.they start to think that it will not happen? They have the big move to
:32:21. > :32:25.Wembley next season, so will that affect them, if we hang around for
:32:26. > :32:29.another season, will we win something? I think it is a big sum
:32:30. > :32:33.of the Pochettino, whether he can keep his players and keep them
:32:34. > :32:37.believing in what they are doing. There is a penalty at Old Trafford
:32:38. > :32:40.which is slightly confused Jose Mourinho as he was beginning his
:32:41. > :32:45.half-time walk down the touchline and is now in the mouth of the
:32:46. > :32:50.tunnel. From the reaction of the Swansea players, I guess they do not
:32:51. > :32:57.agree, Will Perry? It is still goalless, Wayne Rooney has the ball
:32:58. > :33:00.on the spot. Rashford went down. Was there any contact from goalkeeper
:33:01. > :33:06.Lukaz Fabianski? I am not entirely sure. Wayne Rooney, in first half
:33:07. > :33:12.stoppage time. Right foot, into the bottom right corner. Swansea's
:33:13. > :33:17.players absolutely furious, in stoppage time at Old Trafford in the
:33:18. > :33:21.first half, it is Manchester United one, Swansea nil. It is a double
:33:22. > :33:27.whammy for Swansea, Chris Sutton has the best view of the monitor in the
:33:28. > :33:33.studio, Swansea might also feel they should be playing against ten men?
:33:34. > :33:38.Well, Rashford dived for the penalty, that was simulation. It was
:33:39. > :33:42.a really poor decision and they will feel hard done by. There was a
:33:43. > :33:47.yellow card the Jesse Lingard and some referees might have given red?
:33:48. > :33:53.I am not sure it was a red card offence. I think he goes in with his
:33:54. > :33:58.studs up, but he wins the ball. I can understand the yellow in that
:33:59. > :34:03.instance. Never a penalty in a million years. Rashford dived. It is
:34:04. > :34:07.interesting you blame the referee for the decision. Because he got it
:34:08. > :34:11.wrong, that is what normally happens. But if you are saying the
:34:12. > :34:17.player dived, surely your anguish would be aimed the player rather
:34:18. > :34:29.than the referee? He dived, really poor from Rashford. Swansea will
:34:30. > :34:31.feel done by, he simulated, he died, he should have been carded, really
:34:32. > :34:36.poor. Manchester United lead Swansea 1-0, the half-time whistle has gone.
:34:37. > :34:42.Do you think playing at Wembley will affect Spurs? I agree with Lyon, of
:34:43. > :34:50.the top of my head, their record is poor at Wembley. Moving away from
:34:51. > :34:55.home, I guess it is equivalent to when Arsenal moved away from
:34:56. > :35:00.Highbury. The first season at a new stadium is difficult, everybody says
:35:01. > :35:06.that. That is effectively what Spurs have, a season at a new stadium. It
:35:07. > :35:10.will be difficult. They will have two seasons at stadiums. The project
:35:11. > :35:14.you are asking your players, can you stick with us because in three
:35:15. > :35:20.seasons we will be good enough? Three years is a very long time in a
:35:21. > :35:24.professional football's career. Top players want success right now, to
:35:25. > :35:32.add them to stick around because we might have it in three years, it is
:35:33. > :35:36.asking a lot. The question you asked Leon about it simply is saying to
:35:37. > :35:40.Dele Alli, please stay because we have something good going, I think
:35:41. > :35:47.that is fanciful. Sorry if that is cynical. If Dele Alli has a big
:35:48. > :35:53.money offer from, say, Real Madrid, and Kyle Walker is saying, please
:35:54. > :35:57.stay, we might win the league... I did not just mean all of them
:35:58. > :36:01.converging on one player saying, please stay, you are really
:36:02. > :36:07.important, I meant it generally that there are rumours in the papers
:36:08. > :36:09.about City wanting one of the full-backs, Manchester United
:36:10. > :36:14.wanting Eric Dier, Barcelona and Real Madrid wanting Dele Alli. A few
:36:15. > :36:20.of them, according to the papers, whether it is more reflective?
:36:21. > :36:28.Excusing the presence of these two, players look after themselves. I am
:36:29. > :36:32.not saying they are wrong to. Tartan and do not have to be a selling
:36:33. > :36:39.club, they have something special going on -- Totten and do not have
:36:40. > :36:44.today. You want to win as players. If you keep this group of players
:36:45. > :36:48.together, they do not have to acts much. He needs to keep all of his
:36:49. > :36:59.players, the minute one of his better players is gone, that does it
:37:00. > :37:03.for the rest of them. Does that make other players braver in going to
:37:04. > :37:09.their manager and saying, if player X has gone, maybe I will not get as
:37:10. > :37:13.much stick if I try to go? Yes, and you think that if the best player
:37:14. > :37:17.has gone the next season will be more difficult, if I have had an
:37:18. > :37:23.offer from the top club, I will go. So you are questioning the ambition
:37:24. > :37:27.of the club. Harry Kane, Alli, Tottenham fan would think they are
:37:28. > :37:30.not serious about winning things. If you were a Spurs fan at the moment
:37:31. > :37:35.you would think you are going places and are serious about winning
:37:36. > :37:42.trophies, let's keep it together. The North London derby is at 4:30pm,
:37:43. > :37:47.that is on 5 live, and highlights will be on Match of the Day 2.
:37:48. > :37:54.Chelsea played at 2:05pm, Steve Wilson will be there.
:37:55. > :37:58.All quiet at Goodison, but just wait until the theme from Z cars plays
:37:59. > :38:03.out, it will be bouncing. A man who played for both Everton and Chelsea
:38:04. > :38:08.is partnered in. This is really tough for Chelsea, probably the
:38:09. > :38:11.hardest of the reigning games? Yes, they had that very tough game
:38:12. > :38:18.against Southampton, but this is the one they have been looking for.
:38:19. > :38:23.Spurs, they have bad Southampton game as well, they have done well.
:38:24. > :38:27.They have come here with some level of confidence, it was seen as a
:38:28. > :38:31.wobble, the two lost games, they feel like that is behind them and
:38:32. > :38:35.they played very well during the week. A bit of confidence and
:38:36. > :38:40.openness, they know if they get through the game they can possibly
:38:41. > :38:44.get a win. Big favourites already, this is the one. Everton at home,
:38:45. > :38:48.they have won their last eight Premier League matches, great form.
:38:49. > :38:59.They were absolutely hammered at Stamford Bridge earlier in the
:39:00. > :39:02.season, Chelsea's biggest win of the season, 5-0. Ronald Koeman try to
:39:03. > :39:06.match them formation wise, we would not expect that? It would be strange
:39:07. > :39:10.to go for that. They played 343, they were well beaten, but that is
:39:11. > :39:15.the best performance I have seen from a Chelsea side in my entire
:39:16. > :39:20.life, they were utterly brilliant. Playing, watching, anything. Every
:39:21. > :39:23.player was superb, everything went well. You might look at different
:39:24. > :39:29.things but you should probably not take too much from that because they
:39:30. > :39:32.head to Chelsea when they were brilliant. Kumantsov did with three
:39:33. > :39:39.at the back against Liverpool, it not work again. -- Senedd Ronald
:39:40. > :39:42.Koeman did it with three at the back against Liverpool. They have not
:39:43. > :39:46.been able to get by Tottenham Hotspur or Liverpool. They get to a
:39:47. > :39:51.glass ceiling where they find it difficult, but it is at Goodison,
:39:52. > :39:54.what to Everton have to lose? It does not look like they will fall
:39:55. > :39:58.down, they will not fall down the league from here so they can play
:39:59. > :40:03.with great confidence and openness and go for it. I don't see Chelsea
:40:04. > :40:07.being any different. Patter is right, results yesterday
:40:08. > :40:13.mean Everton have qualified for the qualifying rounds of the Europa
:40:14. > :40:19.League for certain. Chelsea have big ambitions, should be some game.
:40:20. > :40:23.Five lights will leave us for coverage of the Russian Grand Prix,
:40:24. > :40:28.coverage of VAT on 5 live sport. On BBC Two at the BBC sport website we
:40:29. > :40:31.continued talking about Everton against Chelsea. Starting with
:40:32. > :40:36.Everton, mainly because you are in the studio and I had a tweet saying
:40:37. > :40:40.with you even mention today or continue the anti-Everton BBC bias,
:40:41. > :40:49.which obviously happens on a weekly basis. How do they break through the
:40:50. > :40:53.glass season at your former club, that Pat Nevin was talking about.
:40:54. > :40:58.With an injection of cash, they need a better standard of play. People
:40:59. > :41:02.will want to play for the club. Ronald Koeman is doing that in his
:41:03. > :41:07.two transfer windows, he has spent well, brought in the right top of
:41:08. > :41:10.player. -- right type of player. It usually takes if you transfer
:41:11. > :41:14.windows before you see an improvement, I believe Everton are
:41:15. > :41:19.there. Jonathan Northcroft wrote a very good article in the Sunday
:41:20. > :41:26.Times about a Romilly Lukaku, him being a flat track bully. We have
:41:27. > :41:30.spoken about his record against the so-called bigger clubs, but what is
:41:31. > :41:33.wrong with being a flat track bully? Nothing, if you are scoring goals,
:41:34. > :41:37.but there is the accusation that he does not do it against the big
:41:38. > :41:40.teams. There might be something in it. In terms of Everton going
:41:41. > :41:48.forward and pushing, they have to keep Lukaku. He is outstanding. This
:41:49. > :41:53.summer with him, it will be interesting, whether they hold onto
:41:54. > :41:57.him. If Manchester United Liverpool had a flat track bully, if this is
:41:58. > :42:02.what we are calling them, score lots against sides outside of the top
:42:03. > :42:05.seeds, arguably Man United and Liverpool might be having a chance
:42:06. > :42:10.at the title, their problems have come against sides lower down.
:42:11. > :42:14.Lukaku has done a very good job for Everton? He has. It is an
:42:15. > :42:22.interesting question and an interesting point. To answer the
:42:23. > :42:25.question, what is wrong with it, it begs questions about your ability at
:42:26. > :42:30.the top level if you do not score against the best defences, the top
:42:31. > :42:34.teams. What does that say about your ability when you get to the big
:42:35. > :42:40.games? Maybe it is OK being a flat track bully at Everton, who are
:42:41. > :42:45.trying to bridge that gap to the top, but when you get to the top
:42:46. > :42:48.teams and your ambitions are higher and you are trying to talk about
:42:49. > :42:55.winning titles, you also have to score against the top teams. He is
:42:56. > :43:01.still only 24, Leon, what is he like? A group very determined. He is
:43:02. > :43:05.24, you would not realise it. He is so physically mature, he has spent a
:43:06. > :43:10.few years in the Premier League, he broke through quite young. He has a
:43:11. > :43:16.real belief in his ability and a desire to get to the top. Going back
:43:17. > :43:19.to the flat track bully, if he continues to do that, Everton will
:43:20. > :43:25.peak, they will only get to a certain level if he is only scoring
:43:26. > :43:31.goals for them against the lower teams. Everton will not be able to
:43:32. > :43:37.beat their current finish. But it is up to others to step up their game
:43:38. > :43:41.as well? Yes, you rely on your team but you rely on your striker to
:43:42. > :43:45.score. When you get to the top games away from home, you need your
:43:46. > :43:50.striker. Don't give him the Golden Boot because the only scores against
:43:51. > :43:55.the lower teams, it does not count. Utterly ridiculous. It is. We will
:43:56. > :44:00.end and Chris's seventh use of the word ridiculous this season. Thank
:44:01. > :44:03.you to Chris, Leon and Ollie. See you next week.