:00:28. > :00:30.Welcome to MOTD 2 Extra on BBC Two and the BBC Sport website.
:00:31. > :00:33.With me this lunchtime - Kevin Kilbane, MOTD commentator
:00:34. > :00:35.Guy Mowbray and Andy Dunn, from the Sunday Mirror.
:00:36. > :00:37.As ever, get involved using the hashtag #bbcfootball
:00:38. > :00:46.Manchester City end their six-game winless run with a 4-0 victory
:00:47. > :00:50.Liverpool also win emphatically and are level at the top
:00:51. > :00:55.Arsene Wenger's side also score four - to leave Sunderland with the worst
:00:56. > :00:57.start ever to a Premier League season.
:00:58. > :00:59.But misery for Jose Mourinho, who's sent to the stands,
:01:00. > :01:03.as Manchester United are held at home by Burnley.
:01:04. > :01:06.The Sunday papers are dominated by Jose Mourinho.
:01:07. > :01:16.Saying the Manchester United manager faces a stadium ban.
:01:17. > :01:20.Andy's paper, The Sunday Mirror, has a story about Yaya Toure,
:01:21. > :01:23.quoting the player's agent as saying that Pep Guardiola is snubbing his
:01:24. > :01:42.How dominant Royal Liverpool? It should have been five or six at
:01:43. > :01:46.half-time, how Palace went in 3-2 down at half-time, I do not know
:01:47. > :01:51.because of Liverpool's dominance. Everything we expect from Liverpool
:01:52. > :01:54.going forward was evident. Palace played into their hands, they
:01:55. > :01:58.dropped very deep and they tried to maybe take away the spacing behind
:01:59. > :02:03.them from a defensive point of view. I think Liverpool, and yesterday's
:02:04. > :02:07.showing the game, you may be looked at them defensively because they did
:02:08. > :02:11.show severe vulnerability. But going forward, they are as good as
:02:12. > :02:18.anybody. What has changed between this season and last season so far?
:02:19. > :02:25.Saddier money makes a difference and gives them more pace going forward.
:02:26. > :02:28.He has got great movement with those upfront, with Roberto Firmino. He
:02:29. > :02:35.still shake your head with disbelief how Daniel Sturridge cannot get in
:02:36. > :02:40.the side. But you see the movement and the way they interchange, it is
:02:41. > :02:46.so difficult for Scott Dann and Tomkins to deal with the movement of
:02:47. > :02:50.Roberto Firmino. And Roberto Firmino loves the physical battle, you put
:02:51. > :02:54.the ball in the air and he is not afraid to jump and use his physical
:02:55. > :03:00.strength. So Liverpool going forward look as good as anything I have
:03:01. > :03:03.seen. Jurgen Klopp has had a preseason, that has changed. He said
:03:04. > :03:08.last season, I cannot wait for pre-season. He has had the time to
:03:09. > :03:13.work with the team and with the squad. They know exactly. Talk about
:03:14. > :03:17.the interchange, they know exactly how they want to play. There is a
:03:18. > :03:22.great dynamic amongst the players, they understand what Klopp wants and
:03:23. > :03:26.he drums that in over preseason. He has had a year, he has got the squad
:03:27. > :03:30.he wants and the players and the first team he wants and it is
:03:31. > :03:34.showing the way they play. The understanding they have. I mentioned
:03:35. > :03:40.the front three and I suppose it is almost like a front five. Yesterday,
:03:41. > :03:45.Emre Can and Adam Lallana were excellent in supporting roles and
:03:46. > :03:52.they know instinctively. When Roberto Firmino cuts deep Philippe
:03:53. > :03:57.Coutinho, -- Philippe Coutinho, it works so well. They are great going
:03:58. > :04:02.forward, but will that defence come back to haunt them? Three of those
:04:03. > :04:07.players you mentioned, they have hit their peak and become men. Henderson
:04:08. > :04:11.is a leader and he has captained his country, Philippe Coutinho is the
:04:12. > :04:15.proper Number 10, not far behind Neymar in Brazilian teams, he is a
:04:16. > :04:19.leader now and no longer the Prodigy turning it on occasionally. And you
:04:20. > :04:25.have Adam Lallana, he is now a Liverpool player, he looks are
:04:26. > :04:28.Bournemouth ballplayer. It is interesting to you talked about
:04:29. > :04:33.Philippe Coutinho is a proper Number 10. Listening to David Pleat
:04:34. > :04:39.yesterday on 5 Live, to summarise the game. In between the amusing
:04:40. > :04:45.pronunciations of various players! It made me laugh as I was driving
:04:46. > :04:51.home. Philippe Coutinho reminds him of Luka Modric. Yes, the same
:04:52. > :04:57.stature. More goals to his game. But I am talking about, he is not just a
:04:58. > :05:02.Number 10 in the sense that from what David was saying he can play a
:05:03. > :05:05.bit deep. She used him a bit deep this season and it did not quite
:05:06. > :05:09.work for Liverpool going forward because he almost restricted him and
:05:10. > :05:13.he felt he was coming too deep to receive the ball. When he starts
:05:14. > :05:18.higher and comes into that position, it suits him better. This is Jurgen
:05:19. > :05:23.Klopp's view after Liverpool's 4-2 win. The first half, it was not
:05:24. > :05:27.really clear enough and direct enough and clinical enough. But then
:05:28. > :05:31.we started playing really nice football and as I say, it was really
:05:32. > :05:36.outstanding what we did then, passing wise, movement wise, it was
:05:37. > :05:43.really good. We scored the girls and we had a lot more chances. A good
:05:44. > :05:46.goal keeper, not clinical enough from our side. One was a real
:05:47. > :05:50.present and the other one less a present but we could have defended
:05:51. > :05:58.better. Does the defending matter if you
:05:59. > :06:04.score three or four? No, it doesn't. Liverpool's best form of defence is
:06:05. > :06:08.clearly attack, it is to chase down possession in the opposite half,
:06:09. > :06:13.this fabled high pressing game means defensively... You clearly have got
:06:14. > :06:16.to defend better. There are still questions over maybe the goalkeeping
:06:17. > :06:19.position. There is still uncertainty. I still think they are
:06:20. > :06:24.vulnerable from set pieces at the back. Those things, he can work on.
:06:25. > :06:28.And going forward, gave -- they get so much of the ball and cause so
:06:29. > :06:32.many problems, that might not be an issue. And listening to Jurgen
:06:33. > :06:37.Klopp, don't underestimate how much of an influence he is having come up
:06:38. > :06:42.with his positivity. He will not say, tough, he will say, we are in
:06:43. > :06:47.the title race, we are genuine contenders. The interview I heard on
:06:48. > :06:51.the radio after the game, what you think of that? Spectacular! Went you
:06:52. > :06:57.get a manager as bullish as that? It has to rub off on the players.
:06:58. > :07:00.Before the game he stands on the halfway line and he stares at the
:07:01. > :07:04.opposition and it must be intimidating for the Palace players
:07:05. > :07:09.when they are doing their drills. Jurgen Klopp is on the edge of the
:07:10. > :07:13.area they are working in just literally looking at them. I don't
:07:14. > :07:17.know why he does it, I don't think he has been asked a question, it is
:07:18. > :07:20.almost like an intimidating thing before the game starts. Ask people
:07:21. > :07:25.who knew him in Germany and they say he is charismatic, but he can also
:07:26. > :07:30.be a charismatic so and so! That is the exact phrase they use and he is
:07:31. > :07:35.ruthless. The Daniel Sturridge situation, he is doing what he sees
:07:36. > :07:39.as best for the team and he is not afraid. Daniel Sturridge will not be
:07:40. > :07:43.happy not being in the Premier league. But Jurgen Klopp is
:07:44. > :07:46.ruthless. Chris says that until they sort their defence, they do not win
:07:47. > :07:51.anything and they are deluded if they think they can win the league.
:07:52. > :07:55.And also, yes, not the best defensively but among the best in
:07:56. > :07:58.the world. European football makes it much easier for them. Quickly on
:07:59. > :08:03.that defence of thing, maybe there are issues, but are you saying
:08:04. > :08:08.defence is any worse than Manchester City's defence and Arsenal's?
:08:09. > :08:14.Chelsea? Probably worse than Tottenham. But not winning anything
:08:15. > :08:19.does not hold, I do not think they will win a title. Look at Kevin
:08:20. > :08:24.Keegan's Newcastle, do not need to score four goals to win, they are
:08:25. > :08:28.not not believing anything, I don't believe that. And it said the
:08:29. > :08:34.intensity they play out, eventually, that will come back to bite them by
:08:35. > :08:39.February, March, April. If they have not got European football and he has
:08:40. > :08:45.got a preseason, he is not an idiot. He has done this at Dortmund. He
:08:46. > :08:48.knows how to talk about a team. We talked about those players, he is
:08:49. > :08:53.still the biggest factor, Jurgen Klopp. We go on about coaching, the
:08:54. > :08:56.higher the levels of football, the less about coaching and more about
:08:57. > :09:01.man management it becomes and I think he is the best in the game.
:09:02. > :09:04.And physically, the physical commitment of Leicester did not
:09:05. > :09:08.lessen as the season went on as they had a game a week. They had a game
:09:09. > :09:13.in week and it was the same team, not just the squad. It is
:09:14. > :09:18.preparation as well. Training, that is what Liverpool do. It is about
:09:19. > :09:22.getting the time on the training ground and the training field. It
:09:23. > :09:26.will be intense the way they train, that is the way they go about
:09:27. > :09:31.things, but maybe tapering it down towards games towards the end of the
:09:32. > :09:32.season. The luxury Jurgen Klopp has is not necessarily available to
:09:33. > :09:35.other managers. Manchester City are top -
:09:36. > :09:37.above Arsenal and Liverpool on goal difference -
:09:38. > :09:49.after yesterday's 4-0 He is one of the best, yes?
:09:50. > :09:57.Absolutely. But I want to help him to be much, much better. So that is
:09:58. > :10:01.my target, to help him every game to feel how important it is for us and
:10:02. > :10:04.of course he is one of the best. You have just to see how many goals he
:10:05. > :10:09.schools in the Premier league, how difficult it is, and that is why I
:10:10. > :10:14.am so is, so happy for him. Because of all of that, he is one of the
:10:15. > :10:21.most nicest persons I ever met. And I love to work with nice guys, nice
:10:22. > :10:24.people, and Sergio is one of them. You were there, how dominant were
:10:25. > :10:28.they? They were quite brilliant in the first half. Every time I have
:10:29. > :10:31.seen City this season, there has been one hour of football that you
:10:32. > :10:35.think, this was better than last week, it is getting better and
:10:36. > :10:39.better. I thought too much was made of the run of winless games. It was
:10:40. > :10:44.thrown into contrast because they won the first ten in a row and you
:10:45. > :10:47.thought the wheels had come off, they did not, there were
:10:48. > :10:51.circumstances apart from the Tottenham defeat behind every game.
:10:52. > :10:55.There are different games with different circumstances. When
:10:56. > :10:58.everything is lumped together... Yesterday, they were still on top of
:10:59. > :11:02.the Premier league, people overlook that, they are still the best in the
:11:03. > :11:06.country when they hit it. He is still learning about the Premier
:11:07. > :11:08.league, he has never faced a team like West Bromwich Albion before,
:11:09. > :11:14.but he had a plan for them. And to his praise of Aguero was false and
:11:15. > :11:19.rightly so because he was magnificent yesterday. What was
:11:20. > :11:24.different yesterday? -- was all. He left him out of the Barcelona games.
:11:25. > :11:30.That led to some thinking he was finished at City and he was not a
:11:31. > :11:35.Pep Guardiola man, that is nonsense. Danny Murphy highlighted it is
:11:36. > :11:40.today, he flooded the midfield for the Barcelona game and it nearly
:11:41. > :11:44.worked until Claudio Bravo was sent off, it could have worked. Aguero is
:11:45. > :11:49.now tracking back. He made two yesterday. His Group 2 and he made
:11:50. > :11:55.one and he had a hand in everything City did. Does she scored two. We
:11:56. > :12:00.have seen headlines today about Toure, he would not be doing that
:12:01. > :12:03.sort of work in the middle and he has got everybody working and doing
:12:04. > :12:08.the same thing. I also wonder, looking at the line yesterday, when
:12:09. > :12:13.they were at the most dominant at the start of the season, it included
:12:14. > :12:18.most of the players who started yesterday. Aguero, Nolito, David
:12:19. > :12:22.Silva. There was only Kevin de Bruyne who did not start from that
:12:23. > :12:26.dominant period early in the season. There is nothing wrong with having a
:12:27. > :12:29.bit of stability. You say you understand the reasons why Aguero
:12:30. > :12:33.did not play against Barcelona and if I remember, he did not start the
:12:34. > :12:39.previous league game against Everton. He came off the bench. To
:12:40. > :12:43.me, Aguero has to play if he is fit in any game. You can be as clever as
:12:44. > :12:48.you want a tactically but I think Aguero has to play in every game. As
:12:49. > :12:53.he over thought it at times? Yes, can you imagine Luis Enrique turning
:12:54. > :12:57.round the Luis Suarez and saying, biggest game on Saturday, you're not
:12:58. > :13:02.playing. You are our best striker and you are not playing. I cannot
:13:03. > :13:05.imagine it at any other club and maybe that is Guardiola saying,
:13:06. > :13:10.nobody is bigger than the club, but I don't buy into that. But over that
:13:11. > :13:16.praise was interesting. He is one of the greatest guys I've ever met. I
:13:17. > :13:20.love that! Was almost as though it may be Guardiola had heard what
:13:21. > :13:25.people were saying and that was that may be Aguero was one of those
:13:26. > :13:29.players, the senior players, that Guardiola, I wouldn't say the word
:13:30. > :13:35.targeted, but has said, you cannot rest on what you have done before
:13:36. > :13:41.you got here. You cannot rest, so the spine, Jo Hart, Vincent Kompany,
:13:42. > :13:45.Toure, Aguero, David Silva, there was a suggestion they were the ones
:13:46. > :13:49.in training he was saying, you have to up your game and after this,
:13:50. > :13:57.maybe this is psychological, thanks for that, you have responded. Isn't
:13:58. > :14:01.the Luis Suarez comparison slightly misleading in the sense that
:14:02. > :14:04.Barcelona never have to play Barcelona? Therefore they don't have
:14:05. > :14:11.to worry about what they do is tactically. Every side that plays
:14:12. > :14:15.Barcelona worries about, even a side managed by Pep Guardiola, worries
:14:16. > :14:18.what they have to do tactically. When Guardiola was with Bayern
:14:19. > :14:21.Munich, he tried to play three at the back against Barcelona and he
:14:22. > :14:27.changed it to try and do something. I take what you are saying but the
:14:28. > :14:31.dog grow but! You kick it over that far side of the studio! They are
:14:32. > :14:34.playing Real Madrid or the big Champions League game and you leave
:14:35. > :14:39.out Luis Suarez or one of your top players, it will not happen. At any
:14:40. > :14:47.other club. But that is because they are at the level of being the very,
:14:48. > :14:51.very best. Sergio Aguero is not? Not Aguero, but you could argue City, as
:14:52. > :14:56.with the Premier league clubs, they are not at the elite European level.
:14:57. > :15:01.I am talking about the individual player. Aguero is that level, he is
:15:02. > :15:05.of the elite, the ultimate. Absolutely, but if you need a
:15:06. > :15:10.tactical plan at the elite level, what happens then? I get your point.
:15:11. > :15:13.If you put it on the team as a whole, I would take your point, I
:15:14. > :15:19.would have known what she meant. That was my point! If it didn't stop
:15:20. > :15:25.the cameras, I would move my chair over there! I know what you are
:15:26. > :15:29.saying but the fact is that Aguero, if you are going to build a side to
:15:30. > :15:32.beat the opposition, you have to play your best players and try to
:15:33. > :15:36.get him right to work within that system, that is what I would say.
:15:37. > :15:38.Not so much you build your team around him, but he has to be one of
:15:39. > :15:47.the players. Surely there is no tactical system
:15:48. > :15:54.he can't fit into. It has to be a balance. You can't just go there and
:15:55. > :15:58.think, this is how we will do it. Barcelona have needed to do that and
:15:59. > :16:01.there's no suggestion he would have dropped any of those front three,
:16:02. > :16:06.there is no suggestion those players would have been dropped. Why would
:16:07. > :16:10.he play on Tuesday when he didn't play Barcelona? Because he will play
:16:11. > :16:15.Tuesday. Just because they're away from home... That is a difference.
:16:16. > :16:20.We know that managers play differently away from home. But they
:16:21. > :16:26.needed to be a threat in Barcelona. And he carries the biggest threat so
:16:27. > :16:31.I didn't understand it. They actually played quite well on the
:16:32. > :16:36.day and then they threw it away. What was different yesterday, I was
:16:37. > :16:46.going to mention Guendogan. He was excellent. He seems to be getting
:16:47. > :16:53.the Premier League. They were having shots on goal from 20 yards. Aguero
:16:54. > :17:01.would have a go, fan and Ennio would have a go. Against Everton, they
:17:02. > :17:08.were trying to over do it. I'm not trying to pick arguments with every
:17:09. > :17:17.guest, but it is difficult to talk about these players! Lots of texts
:17:18. > :17:23.and tweets on Sergio Aguero. He has no equals in the Premier League.
:17:24. > :17:35.Goal drought issues or not, the strikes are sublime. I back Aguero
:17:36. > :17:40.for the first team any time. That's paid for my season tickets. By the
:17:41. > :17:54.way, Aston Villa have taken the lead against Birmingham. It is 1-0. Is
:17:55. > :17:59.this title race a three horse race? Arsenal, city and Liverpool? You
:18:00. > :18:03.only have to look at what Chelsea did to Manchester United and Chelsea
:18:04. > :18:07.are very much in it. Spurs are struggling a little four goals,
:18:08. > :18:12.really. I know Harry Kane has been injured which has been a big part of
:18:13. > :18:15.that as well. It is five and I wouldn't discount Man United. I was
:18:16. > :18:21.at Man United yesterday and they should have won that game. I would
:18:22. > :18:26.say six. I would say sixteens. I really believe that. So, do Arsenal
:18:27. > :18:33.look like title contenders than they have done in the last five or six
:18:34. > :18:41.years? Yes, without a doubt. That'll be a test for them despatching their
:18:42. > :18:45.closest rivals. I would say city and Arsenal are the top to bottom I do
:18:46. > :18:54.agree with Andy, I don't think we can call it all the way from. You
:18:55. > :19:03.wouldn't put Arsenal top to? No, I think they will fall away. Why? The
:19:04. > :19:09.one thing I would say with Arsenal, when you see them, I've seen a
:19:10. > :19:13.better response in games. They had a negativity when they gave the
:19:14. > :19:16.penalty away and they responded, scoring late against Burnley
:19:17. > :19:20.suggests to me they are better in shape mentally and able to go over
:19:21. > :19:25.that extra yard to get the result this year so I wouldn't discount
:19:26. > :19:29.them but from what I've seen who is playing the better football, Arsenal
:19:30. > :19:39.are playing great... Liverpool and city... You have Giroud, who hasn't
:19:40. > :19:43.started a game yet, he comes off the bench, he is a different goal
:19:44. > :19:55.threat. There is a little bit more about them. Do they have a better
:19:56. > :20:02.defensive partnership? Yes. Per Mertesacker, I'm not totally
:20:03. > :20:08.convinced about the stuffy, here's old-fashioned but I think that has
:20:09. > :20:14.had an impact. He wants to defend. I haven't seen that from Per
:20:15. > :20:18.Mertesacker. I think decent enough but I don't think he has that real
:20:19. > :20:24.will to defend for his team, I don't see it so I think they have a
:20:25. > :20:29.partnership straight away. It is the perennial question... Yes, and they
:20:30. > :20:36.have Spurs and Manchester United next in November. They do look you
:20:37. > :20:41.know, Ramsey came in yesterday, he came on, and they've got strength
:20:42. > :20:47.and depth now that they haven't had before. From one to 23, they look
:20:48. > :20:55.well-stocked and you have also got players in great form. Sanchez was
:20:56. > :21:00.magnificent yesterday. These teams we're talking about, Liverpool with
:21:01. > :21:07.Patino, Manchester City with David Silva, these great creative players,
:21:08. > :21:12.they have that with Sanchez. These are players that have been opening
:21:13. > :21:19.teams up time after time. Is the answer are they equipped to do it?
:21:20. > :21:22.Yes, they are. Liverpool, great run of fixtures. They play the
:21:23. > :21:27.Merseyside derby before Christmas. Leading up to that, they have a
:21:28. > :21:32.great run of fixtures. I think Liverpool could be top at Christmas.
:21:33. > :21:40.And they play Manchester City on New Year's Eve. A winner of schedule for
:21:41. > :21:41.everybody. We go Goodison next. Everton have gone five games without
:21:42. > :21:58.a win. Romelu Lukaku has scored in his last
:21:59. > :22:04.six games against West Ham, he has scored a lot of goals so far. West
:22:05. > :22:09.Ham now unbeaten in four games. Slaven Bilic makes one change,
:22:10. > :22:13.Adrian back in goal, otherwise it is the same team that played Chelsea
:22:14. > :22:19.midweek. Everton have had a bit of a wobble. Their recently record...
:22:20. > :22:26.Equally, if they win today, they'd go within two of Spurs. Defensively,
:22:27. > :22:30.they look a bit better. I think they've been like Tottenham, they
:22:31. > :22:35.haven't scored enough goals this season, heavily reliant on Romelu
:22:36. > :22:40.Lukaku. If he isn't scoring, where are they going to get goals?
:22:41. > :22:44.Certainly, Ross Barkley has been out of sorts this year. Ronald Koeman
:22:45. > :22:49.has questioned him, saying he needs to do various things to improve and
:22:50. > :22:54.stay in the side, Ross Barkley. That is where Everton are struggling. I
:22:55. > :22:59.don't think they can find anybody else to go with Romelu Lukaku to get
:23:00. > :23:06.them into double figures. I saw them at city, they were swamped. They
:23:07. > :23:10.looked as solid as you like. I am surprised by the recent run of
:23:11. > :23:16.results, put it that way. They are a better team, put it that way. I saw
:23:17. > :23:20.them with Crystal Palace. They played really well in the first half
:23:21. > :23:25.an hour of the game. Once they got the goal, they almost sat off and
:23:26. > :23:31.allowed Crystal Palace to come back in and Crystal Palace could have won
:23:32. > :23:39.it. Are they not dominant enough? I don't think they are, I don't
:23:40. > :23:45.think... Once they get in front, they continue to play. That is the
:23:46. > :23:49.bigger teams. Everton will sit on their lead which is something that
:23:50. > :23:55.will come. I have been impressed with Ronald Koeman and his side,
:23:56. > :23:58.they look better and more solid. I totally agree that Romelu Lukaku has
:23:59. > :24:03.to have more back-up in the goal-scoring front. Ross Barkley, he
:24:04. > :24:07.hasn't clicked on, someone who should be playing midfield and
:24:08. > :24:10.should be scoring. We have seen him score good goals, he's a good
:24:11. > :24:17.finisher and player. People like that should be chipping in with
:24:18. > :24:23.goals. Gerard Deulofeu and others, they should be helping Romelu Lukaku
:24:24. > :24:29.in terms of providing goals. There's a little bit of... A little bit of
:24:30. > :24:32.flair missing. Would rain Ruhnau help? Ronald Koeman quoted on the
:24:33. > :24:35.BBC sport website saying I don't know his situation and need to
:24:36. > :24:39.respect it, it's not my problem but even when we get one time the
:24:40. > :24:44.possibility that Wayne Rooney is an option for Everton, I'm very
:24:45. > :24:48.pleased. He shouldn't be an option for Everton. Everton have got an
:24:49. > :24:54.ambitious major investor. They want to be amongst the Man Uniteds, Man
:24:55. > :24:58.Citys, Liverpools of this world so if Wayne Rooney isn't good enough
:24:59. > :25:05.Man United, why should he be good enough for Everton? I think it might
:25:06. > :25:11.give him a spark, I'd take him back to Everton. I would. I think the
:25:12. > :25:17.majority of the fans would take him back. I think you'd fit well. Not
:25:18. > :25:24.necessarily... Not long-term, but it would be nice. How would it happen?
:25:25. > :25:29.Financially, it is a struggle to compete with the his wages. And
:25:30. > :25:36.United would expect a decent transfer fee. I don't think that big
:25:37. > :25:40.a transfer fee. I think United... My understanding is that he has this
:25:41. > :25:45.year than a year on top of that, then another year which is an
:25:46. > :25:54.option. Until 2018. Is it club option? An option on both sides. A
:25:55. > :26:01.lot of money, in terms of their contractual commitments. Certainly
:26:02. > :26:04.15 million for next season. If he isn't going to play for Manchester
:26:05. > :26:09.United, as rich as they are, they can't afford to have someone having
:26:10. > :26:13.that money so they'd want to get that money off their books so I'm
:26:14. > :26:18.sure they'd come to some compromise. Even if Wayne Rooney came to a
:26:19. > :26:23.compromise on his own wages going to Everton... Let's say he takes half
:26:24. > :26:28.of what he is on at Man United, that's double on what the top end
:26:29. > :26:33.Everton is on. However old he is going to be, let's say pushing 32
:26:34. > :26:39.next summer, do you think he comes on in that sort of money, and Romelu
:26:40. > :26:42.Lukaku is going to set I want that sort of money? Fraught with
:26:43. > :26:47.problems. When you're taking him, he has played a lot of games, would he
:26:48. > :26:52.be that effective for Everton? I think you'd provide a spark for the
:26:53. > :26:55.club. Not necessarily you say being able to play consistently over two
:26:56. > :27:00.or three seasons but I think you'd definitely provide a spark for that
:27:01. > :27:05.team. Are we being a little damage your calling time on his Manchester
:27:06. > :27:12.United days? Yes, but I was trying to get a debate going! I thought I'd
:27:13. > :27:16.throw it in there. I don't think it should happen. It would be a bad
:27:17. > :27:22.move from Everton's point of view. What I would say is it has been
:27:23. > :27:27.noticeable how the bridges between Ruhnau and Everton have been rebuilt
:27:28. > :27:36.over the last two or three years, Everton provided the opposition for
:27:37. > :27:44.Wayne Rooney's testimonial. He takes his sons to watch Everton. It is
:27:45. > :27:49.noticeable. It is a sort of romantic prodigal son story. Various
:27:50. > :27:54.discussions you're contributing to on text and tweet. Ricky says, the
:27:55. > :28:01.puzzle is coming together with more things to come. Fogg says Barcelona
:28:02. > :28:08.wouldn't drop Suarez because he works hard whereas Aguero doesn't.
:28:09. > :28:11.And Mark says, he is a Manchester City fan, which is an interesting
:28:12. > :28:16.point, Spurs are five games without a win but no mention from the media
:28:17. > :28:21.about a crisis there. Keep them coming. If you want to get involved.
:28:22. > :28:25.We move on to Sunderland to have made some unwanted history, two
:28:26. > :28:31.points from ten games, the worst ever start to a Premier League
:28:32. > :28:35.season. Here is David Moyes. I've been there before, maybe not quite
:28:36. > :28:41.in this situation but similar situations. First of all, we've got
:28:42. > :28:49.to get away from losing. We've got to get to not conceding goals. And
:28:50. > :28:53.we did a pretty good job at it. But then we didn't give ourselves a
:28:54. > :28:58.chance and they got a third after that and put the game beyond us.
:28:59. > :29:03.Former club of yours. Can you put your finger on one problem or are
:29:04. > :29:06.very multitude of problems? Multitude. Goal-scoring, defending,
:29:07. > :29:11.there are a number of issues that is going on. The one thing we spoke
:29:12. > :29:15.about before when Arsenal conceded a goal, they got themselves back into
:29:16. > :29:20.the game. For about five minutes afterwards, there was almost panic,
:29:21. > :29:24.the way that the players were addressing each other when Arsenal
:29:25. > :29:27.had a corner just prior to them getting... Panic from Sunderland
:29:28. > :29:31.once they got themselves back in front. Everyone was screaming at
:29:32. > :29:34.each other, no one could get themselves organised, no real
:29:35. > :29:39.leadership on the pitch, no real experience and it was almost as if
:29:40. > :29:46.right, we've scored, we need this game to end now. Same thing against
:29:47. > :29:52.Crystal Palace. You could see that. It's almost as if as a team... They
:29:53. > :29:58.maybe even need to look back and see how disorganised and just how they
:29:59. > :30:02.were conducting themselves on the pitch. If you look at it, you think,
:30:03. > :30:07.let's get ourselves right and organised and settled in a calm way.
:30:08. > :30:12.It was just such a scattered approach to getting the job done. We
:30:13. > :30:16.made the point about the body language of the Sunderland players
:30:17. > :30:21.after they'd scored the penalty. There was a bit of congratulations
:30:22. > :30:24.to Defoe, but then the players looking back sheepishly, thinking,
:30:25. > :30:30.what happens now? We all know what happened. Waiting for the inevitable
:30:31. > :30:34.to happen. The whole thing feels rudderless. I'm not saying that from
:30:35. > :30:39.the coach's point of view because I don't know what he can do. Sam
:30:40. > :30:43.Allardyce leaving the club in the summer, it's a punch to the stomach.
:30:44. > :30:47.They were euphoric surviving in the Premier League. They haven't
:30:48. > :30:52.recovered from Sam Allardyce leaving. If he is an experienced
:30:53. > :30:55.manager who has been around the block, surely he should be able to
:30:56. > :31:00.do something. There's only so much you can do with the resources at his
:31:01. > :31:05.disposal at the moment. I don't think they are good enough to get
:31:06. > :31:10.out of it this time. You're saying this is an unwanted statistic, the
:31:11. > :31:15.start they've made, but they've been in the Premier League before where
:31:16. > :31:19.it was pretty patents at this stage they were going and it feels like
:31:20. > :31:23.that again. David Moyes, his biggest strength is getting the team
:31:24. > :31:26.organised. Training was good but getting the team organised when
:31:27. > :31:34.things were going against you just to stop opposition at times,... I
:31:35. > :31:41.He was good at getting a side to stop teams. What has happened? I
:31:42. > :31:47.think there is a lack of interest from the top. I am sure he has been
:31:48. > :31:51.at games, we have not seen the owner at games this season, not on any
:31:52. > :31:56.footage I have seen. Is the interest of all going? I don't know what is
:31:57. > :32:00.going on business-wise, it feels it is just drifting. In terms of what
:32:01. > :32:04.David Moyes can do, I looked at Sunderland, and I did not know how
:32:05. > :32:08.they were trying to play, were they trying to pass? They will not play
:32:09. > :32:12.their way out of trouble. You have to accept it has to be more
:32:13. > :32:19.physical, more direct. Like it was under Allardyce. I would look at
:32:20. > :32:23.Sunderland and I don't see what they are trying to do in terms of where
:32:24. > :32:28.they trying to sit back and play? No, they were trying to pass on
:32:29. > :32:30.occasions which they did not look comfortable with. Would they be
:32:31. > :32:35.better under Allardyce at the moment? Yes, they would, he would
:32:36. > :32:38.not go back. A lot of newspapers suggested that could be an option, I
:32:39. > :32:43.do not believe Sam Allardyce would go back to Sunderland, why would he?
:32:44. > :32:48.He took over last season when they had three points from eight or nine
:32:49. > :32:52.games and performed a miracle and this is a worse situation. For his
:32:53. > :32:56.own professional reputation, I think you would look at that thing, I did
:32:57. > :32:59.it last season but I couldn't do it with this team. We are looking for
:33:00. > :33:04.the next window, David Moyes did not have a lot of time to get players.
:33:05. > :33:09.He brought some in. Yes, I know, but did he necessarily get the signings
:33:10. > :33:13.he wanted? I certainly don't you with that she did. Lack of
:33:14. > :33:18.leadership, you have left the club by then, Kevin. I remember the
:33:19. > :33:22.terrible season, like Duncan Watmore and young players with great
:33:23. > :33:27.potential, playing when baked on each ready in a struggling team, it
:33:28. > :33:31.reminds me of when Michael Proctor was thrown in and Kevin Kyle, it was
:33:32. > :33:35.the same sort of season. It was a difficult season and I remember at
:33:36. > :33:42.times we played well in games and all of the sudden, getting in front
:33:43. > :33:46.in games. It is almost, right, that is it. You cannot see the next five
:33:47. > :33:55.or six minutes through and as soon as you concede, that is it, gone.
:33:56. > :34:02.The involved yesterday. All brought in by David Moyes, on the bench.
:34:03. > :34:06.Manquillo. Love. All brought in by David Moyes. I am not denying that,
:34:07. > :34:12.with Labour targets he wanted? I would probably say no. I would say
:34:13. > :34:18.no. Absolutely not. The biggest surprise of all those signings, I
:34:19. > :34:23.cannot work out with all the money he was paid. How did he increase in
:34:24. > :34:27.value sitting on the bench of Chelsea and the value went up?
:34:28. > :34:34.Michel, I feel sorry for Moyes, he got the job late and did not have
:34:35. > :34:38.time to spend in the window. Sean says, Sunderland created decent
:34:39. > :34:40.chances but they lacked the creativity to create goal-scoring
:34:41. > :34:44.opportunities. John, the team looks so breast of confidence, I cannot
:34:45. > :34:48.see them winning a game and Moyes looks clueless. Ali, I am
:34:49. > :34:52.devastated, so much has changed since last year, we may have made
:34:53. > :34:57.the wrong appointment and if he fails, it may be his last job in
:34:58. > :34:59.football. But at some point, a lot of Sunderland players have to take
:35:00. > :35:05.responsibility because they keep going through managers and not every
:35:06. > :35:10.manager... They have had very experienced managers from Moyes,
:35:11. > :35:16.Allardyce, Dick Advocaat, Gus Poyet. They are not all bad. No, and I
:35:17. > :35:20.think that will be, I take the point about the uncertainty in the
:35:21. > :35:26.boardroom level, but I think there is a feeling of exactly that. That
:35:27. > :35:30.we can't keep on making the manager the ultimate scapegoat for it. That
:35:31. > :35:34.is why I think they will stick with Moyes because I think they have come
:35:35. > :35:38.to that exact same conclusion. We can't keep on the change in the
:35:39. > :35:40.manager and at some point, the players have to take some
:35:41. > :35:45.responsibility. But the players change. You mentioned those players
:35:46. > :35:50.brought in and you go down that list and do you think any of those
:35:51. > :35:55.players will be instrumental in keeping Sunderland up? No, I don't,
:35:56. > :36:00.but the sake Moyes did not have a transfer window to bring players in
:36:01. > :36:04.a slightly inaccurate. It is not! Did he have a long-term plan to
:36:05. > :36:09.bring those in? Were they signings because he needs to get bodies in in
:36:10. > :36:15.such a short space of time? Stephen Pienaar was a cry for help. Yes, he
:36:16. > :36:19.would have never gone to Sunderland. I am convinced he would have gone in
:36:20. > :36:25.in the New Year. He probably had a number... He knows Victor as well.
:36:26. > :36:29.Players he would have known and he has had to get people into do a job
:36:30. > :36:35.for him. From a fan's point of view, what, you will just pay them ?20,000
:36:36. > :36:39.a week and you do not really want them? No, they are not bad players
:36:40. > :36:43.but the point is, if going into the next window he has got better
:36:44. > :36:46.targets long-term, at least they can do the groundwork and speak to the
:36:47. > :36:54.agents and players and people around them and the clubs and get these
:36:55. > :36:57.targets, get them into the club and done and dusted. He didn't have that
:36:58. > :37:00.time to do that. I agree, I think fans will think we are paying them
:37:01. > :37:04.this amount and the players are not being prised away from clubs, they
:37:05. > :37:13.are available for a reason. Pick the yen as I is available for in reason.
:37:14. > :37:17.Love, from Manchester. -- Adam Brown as I. He takes them, having known
:37:18. > :37:21.they are surplus to requirements at their clubs. I think of a target as
:37:22. > :37:25.somebody you think, he is doing a great job for you, we will get him
:37:26. > :37:32.out of the cupboard to do a great job for us. We need bodies. This is
:37:33. > :37:36.what, it is half-time in the Midlands derby, Birmingham zero,
:37:37. > :37:39.Aston Villa one. This January transfer window, Aston Villa and
:37:40. > :37:47.Sunderland are in for the same player. And you look at Norwich and
:37:48. > :37:51.Newcastle. I know. Aston Villa are just on the verge of the playoffs at
:37:52. > :37:57.this time, Aston Villa and sandalwood and there, which would a
:37:58. > :38:01.player go to? That is completely down to the individual, isn't it? It
:38:02. > :38:05.depends how much money is on the table. That is what it is down to.
:38:06. > :38:09.Do you want to give a slightly less sitting on the fence fun -- Anza.
:38:10. > :38:15.Aston Villa, absolutely. Because there will the, if they are in that
:38:16. > :38:19.position, there will be a feel-good factor to Aston Villa and at
:38:20. > :38:23.Sunderland, there has not been anything but do miss season.
:38:24. > :38:27.Personally, I would say Sunderland because I know the potential at that
:38:28. > :38:32.place and even if they came down, the potential is always there and I
:38:33. > :38:37.would say Sunderland. I would agree with Guy Mowbray! But if they are
:38:38. > :38:40.coming to sign me, they are in trouble. That would be very true,
:38:41. > :38:50.goodness me! You are at Old Trafford yesterday,
:38:51. > :38:55.what was the atmosphere like in the second toward the end, was it
:38:56. > :39:00.disgruntled or a recognition they had done all but put the ball in the
:39:01. > :39:05.back of the net? There was disgruntlement it was towards Mark
:39:06. > :39:09.Clattenburg, I thought the atmosphere was good and the fans got
:39:10. > :39:14.behind the team really well. They recognise, everyone can see what is
:39:15. > :39:17.happening and United were having a shot every other minute. They were
:39:18. > :39:22.camped in the barely half and trying everything they could. They unjustly
:39:23. > :39:27.got a man sent off so that gets the crowd behind you more. It was fine,
:39:28. > :39:32.the anger from the crowd was purely at Mark Clattenburg. And they also
:39:33. > :39:38.recognised, and I think it is fair that we say this, but they played OK
:39:39. > :39:42.yesterday. They were good. They could win that Game 29 times out of
:39:43. > :39:52.30. I thought you were going to say 29-0! They were good. And they
:39:53. > :39:59.didn't really. We must say barely defended. Fantastically. I often
:40:00. > :40:03.lead people saying, the art of defending, bemoaning the fact of
:40:04. > :40:06.good old-fashioned defending which has disappeared from the game. They
:40:07. > :40:10.should go and watch Burnley and their centre halves is today and
:40:11. > :40:15.their full-backs, they defended magnificently. Let's do Burnley. It
:40:16. > :40:18.would be grossly unfair not to. They have beaten Everton, Liverpool, they
:40:19. > :40:22.have done at Manchester United, they should arguably have done with
:40:23. > :40:26.Arsenal and the goal should not have stored. A clean sheet against
:40:27. > :40:30.Manchester United and Liverpool and arguably they should have against
:40:31. > :40:38.Arsenal. It is four years today since Sean Dyche took over. The job
:40:39. > :40:40.he has done has been outstanding. Where he has built the club from,
:40:41. > :40:43.his greatest achievement is getting the club promoted the first time.
:40:44. > :40:45.They were on the third lowest budget in the Championship and to get them
:40:46. > :40:50.promote it was incredible. Now, Burnley went down and got promoted
:40:51. > :40:54.and now they are a stable club. He has cemented them for the next ten
:40:55. > :40:57.years of being this club that can come if they don't stay in the
:40:58. > :41:02.Premier league, certainly they will stay at the top of the Championship
:41:03. > :41:06.and go one. His post match interview yesterday, he said, defensively, we
:41:07. > :41:10.were great. Our next thing is to be more comfortable on the ball,
:41:11. > :41:14.particularly in a situation like yesterday for the half of the second
:41:15. > :41:20.half against ten men. Should that be quite easy to develop for top-flight
:41:21. > :41:24.football? I think when you look at Burnley the last time there were in
:41:25. > :41:27.the Premier league, the mentality was to contain. That set throughout
:41:28. > :41:33.the club and it is difficult to flip, being on top in games, to try
:41:34. > :41:37.and... It is a mentality thing? Mentality, but they will work on
:41:38. > :41:41.that in training and breaking down the opposition. The fundamentals of
:41:42. > :41:47.the club and probably of Dyche, it is along the likes of Mourinho,
:41:48. > :41:51.clean sheet, let's stop this clean sheet mentality. We still have
:41:52. > :41:55.quality going forward, they have mooned forward and they have signed
:41:56. > :41:59.Andre Gray who has done great. -- moved. They are bringing in players
:42:00. > :42:05.to make them more expensive and that takes time. The mentality comes from
:42:06. > :42:08.the manager, who has a perfect approach. Philosophical about going
:42:09. > :42:14.down, he worked hard to get them back up. Stephen Defoe was an
:42:15. > :42:18.inspired signing. He has the mentality to play for Burnley. I
:42:19. > :42:21.played with Scott Arfield at Huddersfield and he gets released
:42:22. > :42:25.from Huddersfield and he was trying to get a club and I knew he had the
:42:26. > :42:29.talent, really talented player. You are thinking, what is going to
:42:30. > :42:33.happen with this boy? He went on trial at Burnley and they realised
:42:34. > :42:37.he could do the job. And his talent has taken over. He is a prime
:42:38. > :42:43.example, that is down to great management, he got the best out of
:42:44. > :42:47.him and also George Boyd. And Dean Marney, another one I played with.
:42:48. > :42:51.These players, it you think, good players, but it is down to the
:42:52. > :42:54.manager and how he has got them on the training ground and got them
:42:55. > :42:59.right. It is testament to him. Of course, the players as well. They
:43:00. > :43:04.have good players and the manager has brought out the best. Adam says,
:43:05. > :43:09.people criticise United, Heaton was fantastic for Burnley. Most teams
:43:10. > :43:12.would have struggled to score -- the school. Should United fans be
:43:13. > :43:18.concerned about Mourinho? Yes, I think so. The club hierarchy should
:43:19. > :43:21.be, it is not a good look to have your manager scrabbling around
:43:22. > :43:27.trying to find a seat in the stands for the second half. They cannot
:43:28. > :43:30.influence too much in the technical area but maybe he could have
:43:31. > :43:35.affected changes more quickly and more effectively than sending down
:43:36. > :43:39.notes. He will now get a stadium ban, no doubt. The circus around
:43:40. > :43:44.that, remember what happened when he watched the Stoke came from a nearby
:43:45. > :43:50.hotel? I just don't think it creates a good atmosphere. Body language.
:43:51. > :43:54.We have to end it here and me and Kevin will have a hug, we do like
:43:55. > :43:55.each other! I'll be back for Match
:43:56. > :43:58.of the Day 2 tonight,