:00:20. > :00:27.At the end of the world. Wales's dreams of making it to the top have
:00:27. > :00:33.come it to an end, in controversy. Now France and the All Blacks will
:00:33. > :00:39.fight for the ultimate prize. Wales have to pick themselves up after
:00:39. > :00:47.the nightmare of Eden Park. dream became reality. That dream
:00:47. > :00:54.was taken from us. Unfortunately we have lost by a point, which is a
:00:54. > :01:00.bitter pill to swallow. Good evening. Welcome to Scrum V. France
:01:00. > :01:06.in the final but the game will be remembered for that read card.
:01:06. > :01:16.There has been a massive reaction. Francois Pienaar said it killed the
:01:16. > :01:19.
:01:19. > :01:25.game. England's Mark Cueto said the referee had a shocker. Ladies and
:01:25. > :01:33.gentlemen, please welcome Gareth Edwards, Tom Shanklin, Josh Lewsey
:01:33. > :01:40.and Casey Jones. Welcome to the programme. There is
:01:40. > :01:43.only one place to start. Was it in red card? The question is, what is
:01:43. > :01:50.the rule? It is very easy to belittle the referee for his
:01:50. > :01:55.decision. Personally I think it did ruin the game. But later on the
:01:55. > :02:03.Welsh could have gone and one the game. It is not the only issue to
:02:03. > :02:09.discuss. The question is, what is the law? It has been a director of
:02:09. > :02:17.further 18 months there. -- directed. If that is law, it is
:02:17. > :02:27.hard to swallow. But the referee's job is to referee the law. Where is
:02:27. > :02:32.
:02:32. > :02:38.one of these when you needed? That went down well! -- need it. It was
:02:38. > :02:45.a yellow card in my opinion. Sam at picks him up. It looks bad because
:02:45. > :02:51.he has a high alcohol. He let him go. But the referee to give a red
:02:51. > :03:01.card, it ruined the game. That is a bad interpretation. How much leeway
:03:01. > :03:05.is there? A yellow card should be the decision. There is not much
:03:05. > :03:11.leeway in terms of the decision. Kingsley, what do we want referees
:03:11. > :03:15.to-do? I find this a bit hypocritical. We say we want
:03:15. > :03:21.consistency. Then it is a World Cup semi-final and we save maybe you
:03:21. > :03:31.should not have given a red card. My instant reaction was he can get
:03:31. > :03:31.
:03:31. > :03:35.sent off for that. Why? Because it is Alan role and. He sent flurry
:03:35. > :03:40.and fruits of the in January this year in the Heineken Cup for a
:03:40. > :03:47.similar tackle. That flashed in my mind as the French player hit the
:03:47. > :03:50.floor. The reaction of the French did not help. For me, the referee
:03:50. > :03:57.is too quick with his card. I thought he had been given the
:03:57. > :04:02.yellow card. I thought he would get cited and miss the final. Then he
:04:02. > :04:09.came across the bottom of the screen, rate card. My initial
:04:09. > :04:16.thought was he could be red-carded. Do you think that now they did not
:04:16. > :04:22.help the situation? No. It would not have done. A lot of referees
:04:22. > :04:29.would have camp it down, spoken to the touch judges. Had a look at how
:04:29. > :04:34.things were. Give themselves a bit more time to make a better decision.
:04:35. > :04:39.But the referee would say, I have made my decision, I have seen my --
:04:39. > :04:44.I have seen what happened. He pulled the card out in seconds.
:04:44. > :04:50.Warren Gatland wanted the referee to discuss the situation with the
:04:50. > :04:58.touch judges did and how early it was. What do you think? Referee's
:04:58. > :05:04.are strong characters. -- referees. This referee has makes about
:05:04. > :05:08.greatest decision. That is their prerogative. -- outrageous
:05:08. > :05:14.decisions. At no time did I think it would be a red card. I thought
:05:14. > :05:22.there was no malice. I know the person. There is no malice. I
:05:22. > :05:28.thought it was a clumsy tackle. Nobody saw the red card. I thought
:05:28. > :05:33.he was going for a yellow card. Having said that, and now with such
:05:34. > :05:39.controversy and reading what the directives are, I have to admit,
:05:39. > :05:49.the way it is, I would like to have thought differently. We have got a
:05:49. > :05:50.
:05:50. > :05:53.World Cup coach sat next to us. was one of the World Cup coaches. I
:05:53. > :05:59.set in a room in Auckland with all of the referee's prior to the
:05:59. > :06:04.commencement of the tournament. -- referees. We went through the
:06:04. > :06:09.things they would be looking at. This referee in that meeting was
:06:09. > :06:16.seen as a major referee. He had the most to say. He is a strong
:06:16. > :06:22.personality. I was privy to that. I have also been privy to e-mails
:06:22. > :06:27.being sent. On 15th October this was sent to everybody. If a player
:06:27. > :06:37.is lifted and a dropped to the ground from a height, it is a red
:06:37. > :06:37.
:06:37. > :06:42.card offence. I have been privy to this recommendation. He knows he
:06:42. > :06:46.has made a mistake at half-time. He would have looked at it on the
:06:46. > :06:52.television. He is going to give Wales more penalties. Especially
:06:52. > :06:57.the one with the Halfpenny, which could have won it. -- Leigh
:06:57. > :07:02.Halfpenny. When you talk about directives, be Rhys no physical
:07:02. > :07:10.problem in putting the ball into the scrum. A couple of years ago
:07:10. > :07:15.there was a directive to the referee's that there was zero
:07:15. > :07:25.tolerance to putting the ball in the scrum. -- referees. Where has
:07:25. > :07:30.that gone? They pay no attention. There is plenty to talk about.
:07:30. > :07:34.Earlier today Sam Warburton was banned for three weeks. Judicial
:07:34. > :07:39.officer concluded the offence was mid- range. -- the judicial
:07:39. > :07:43.officers. There were no aggravating features and compelling mitigating
:07:43. > :07:48.features, including the player's admission, outstanding character
:07:48. > :07:53.and disciplinary record and remorse. The suspension was reduced to three
:07:53. > :07:57.weeks. We are naturally disappointed for Sam that he will
:07:57. > :08:05.not be available to play on Friday. He has been an exemplary captain
:08:05. > :08:10.for Wales. Sam would like to say a few words. Obviously I am very
:08:10. > :08:18.disappointed. All my attention and focus will go towards supporting
:08:18. > :08:23.the players on Friday as best I can. It is a pretty heartbreaking image.
:08:23. > :08:28.How will he respond? I think he will be down to start with. Even if
:08:28. > :08:33.they had made the final, he would not have played. I still cannot get
:08:33. > :08:38.my head around him being banned for three weeks. We have seen far worse
:08:38. > :08:43.tackles in the tournament. It seems the ire of the hour trying to stand
:08:43. > :08:47.up for the referee and take the pressure off them. -- the
:08:47. > :08:51.International Rugby Board are trying to stand up. He has been
:08:51. > :08:57.praised for being a terrific servant, terrific captain, an
:08:57. > :09:04.ambassador for Wales. That is how cruel professional sport can be?
:09:04. > :09:07.Yes. There is macro no halfway house in these decisions. I do
:09:07. > :09:12.nothing to lose his standing. Everybody knows this guy plays the
:09:12. > :09:17.game in the right spirit and the right manner. Although this has
:09:17. > :09:21.happened, and unfortunately what the attention everybody has during
:09:21. > :09:30.the World Cup, he is going to be painted as a villain. He is
:09:30. > :09:40.certainly not that and he never will be. I doubt very much...
:09:40. > :09:42.
:09:42. > :09:52.Three-week ban? I have been involved with Sale Sharks. Mark
:09:52. > :10:02.Cueto was cited 18 months ago and got a teem -- four weeks. I am
:10:02. > :10:03.
:10:03. > :10:08.surprised it is three weeks. It is irrelevant now. It is a sad thing.
:10:08. > :10:14.My heart is like everybody else. His family have been on the radio.
:10:14. > :10:19.They have flown to New Zealand. We are hypocritical as well. We want
:10:19. > :10:26.consistency but then we find ourselves saying, hang on, he's a
:10:26. > :10:31.semi-final, maybe he could have stayed on. Being tackled like that
:10:31. > :10:38.during the Pool games, we have seen equally bad tackles. There have
:10:38. > :10:46.been plenty. Why had red cards not been shown? The tackles that have
:10:46. > :10:54.happened have all been yellow. There is inconsistency between
:10:54. > :11:01.referees. Some referees played the advantage law, some do not. If it
:11:01. > :11:07.had been Wayne Barnes, I would have thought, I yellow-card. I know this
:11:07. > :11:12.referee. He is black or White. should not be the only issue. Wales
:11:12. > :11:21.should have won that game. You lost by a point with a kickable
:11:21. > :11:31.opportunities. We will come on to that in a moment. We have been
:11:31. > :11:41.
:11:41. > :11:46.How has Sam Warburton been? As you can imagine. --, he is absolutely
:11:46. > :11:51.devastated. He is not a malicious player. He would never make that
:11:51. > :12:00.tackle with malicious intent. I do not think he has ever had a red
:12:00. > :12:09.card. Going back to the decision, to make it after 17 minutes, hugely
:12:09. > :12:14.disappointing. I would imagine it is very difficult to put it into
:12:14. > :12:19.words how you're feeling. Can you have a go? It is how cool
:12:19. > :12:29.professional sport can be. You go from one of the biggest high Rhys
:12:29. > :12:29.
:12:29. > :12:37.in my life certainly, I'm sure the whole squad, to the ultimate low.
:12:37. > :12:44.Professional sport can be so cruel. It was not our day today. We did
:12:44. > :12:49.have opportunities to win the game. That decision had a huge influence
:12:49. > :12:54.on the shape of the attack, the shape of the defence, howl and
:12:54. > :12:59.where we wanted to attack and defend. When you look back at the
:12:59. > :13:04.tapes, we you look at those kicks and think that Wales, even though
:13:04. > :13:10.they were down to 14, had their chances to win? Certainly. There
:13:10. > :13:16.will be no finger-pointing in this team. You win as a squad and you
:13:16. > :13:25.used as a squad. That is the black and white of it. How do you pick
:13:25. > :13:31.your cells up? Because we have got pride. Even though what we have
:13:31. > :13:36.delivered in the past five weeks, we have got a third and 4th place
:13:36. > :13:46.play-off. We achieved third place in 1987. We want to achieve it
:13:46. > :13:51.again. These players deserve credit. They have courage. They are top
:13:51. > :13:58.players. Us youngsters who want to play with Wales. We have done well
:13:58. > :14:04.on and off the pitch. We have behaved accordingly. We are not
:14:04. > :14:11.bitter in defeat. We're proud in defeat. We go into next week as any
:14:11. > :14:15.other Test match. It is a bit strange. Plane third and 4th place
:14:15. > :14:19.play-off. It is not where we would like to have been. But we have come
:14:19. > :14:29.a long way as at team. It would be great to finish it off next week by
:14:29. > :14:32.Very moving, listening there. Wales lost by just one point. They played
:14:32. > :14:41.three quarters of the game with 13 men and managed to stay in the game.
:14:41. > :14:45.How did they do it? Like everyone else and stunned, our
:14:45. > :14:50.bubble was burst by a referee. Even the statistics don't make sense.
:14:50. > :14:55.Let's look at them more closely. It looks like Wales were successful.
:14:55. > :14:59.What it doesn't show his possession. We were very disrupted in the scrum,
:14:59. > :15:09.losing Jones and Warburton in the line-out and a bit redundant. Even
:15:09. > :15:11.
:15:11. > :15:17.the statistics comparing France and It suggests the resolve of the team,
:15:17. > :15:23.serious talent for the future. There are two individuals, Faletau
:15:23. > :15:28.has been incredible. 69 tackles, not one missed. Halfpenny, a
:15:28. > :15:36.revelation, fullback for the Welsh team and he was heroes, they were
:15:36. > :15:41.Lose your captain is one thing, losing your seven is another. How
:15:41. > :15:45.bad is that? There are a lot of it on controllable for Wales, losing
:15:45. > :15:50.Priestland before the game was a blow. It happens. Losing Adams,
:15:50. > :15:56.another massive blow. We are still in the game. The message at half-
:15:56. > :15:59.time I'm sure would have been, OK, it was very close at that time, get
:15:59. > :16:04.hold of possession, keep hold of possession, keep playing with a
:16:04. > :16:08.positive attitude. It changes your structures. You're a man short on
:16:08. > :16:11.the first ruck, from the first phase, etc. France played a very
:16:11. > :16:17.dangerous game yesterday. I have watched Toulouse on a Thursday
:16:17. > :16:21.night and they were not glamourous. Pride -- tried 20 drop goals, they
:16:21. > :16:25.will try to win the game and go home. That is what they tried to do
:16:25. > :16:31.the second half, yesterday. They sort, Wales, you come and beat us.
:16:31. > :16:37.They nearly came unstuck. It is the biggest thing for me, we could have
:16:37. > :16:42.won the game. I don't want the incident... They should have won it.
:16:42. > :16:45.Ultimately you have got, I was gutted for a Sam Warburton, a
:16:45. > :16:49.fantastic at that -- ambassador for Wales and rugby, the way they have
:16:49. > :16:54.come together on the field. Wales have the third place play-off but
:16:54. > :17:02.they should be in the final. With New Zealand the best team in the
:17:02. > :17:06.world, in this competition. The sad thing is this team and country is
:17:06. > :17:11.too good to win -- to focus on one event. You should have wised up --
:17:11. > :17:14.you should have won the game. You had five or six drop goal
:17:14. > :17:19.opportunities. That will haunt Stephen Jones, another fine --
:17:19. > :17:22.fantastic guy of Welsh rugby but if that was Wilkinson, that would be
:17:22. > :17:26.Wales in the World Cup final and that is the sad reality. That is
:17:26. > :17:30.top-level sport. You can argue had it not been for Jonny Wilkinson,
:17:30. > :17:34.they would not have won the World Cup and Wales in this World Cup
:17:34. > :17:36.have not taken at chances at crucial moments. We did not take
:17:36. > :17:42.them against South Africa but saying that we might not have
:17:42. > :17:47.reached a semi-final, have we? You're right, we had five or six
:17:47. > :17:51.opportunities to win the game. We played better rugby. We score tries.
:17:51. > :17:55.France did not. Mike scored a fantastic try. At that stage I
:17:55. > :17:59.thought, here we go, we're going to do this and there were
:17:59. > :18:04.opportunities. Unfortunately we could not take them. The sending
:18:04. > :18:08.off does change again totally. We were not able to run it, we could
:18:08. > :18:11.not go through set phases because we were a man short. The key was to
:18:11. > :18:15.play it down with Stephen Jones and try to make the French make a
:18:15. > :18:20.mistake. Going through the Sunday papers, everybody praising Toby
:18:20. > :18:24.Faletau. He has come of age. Beyond belief, I have watched him come
:18:24. > :18:29.through in the last few years playing for the Dragons. He has
:18:29. > :18:37.matured, he has become an immense player virtually overnight. I don't
:18:37. > :18:44.know what they did in Poland but I'm putting my name down...!
:18:44. > :18:51.LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE. There's another unsung hero, Huw Bennett?
:18:51. > :18:58.Yes, he has stepped in, he will kill me, he is one of my mates, he
:18:58. > :19:08.has done a fantastic game. When we lost some, I was set pieces have
:19:08. > :19:08.
:19:08. > :19:09.been great throughout. He is a vital cog, that position is crucial.
:19:09. > :19:12.Every one of them, every one of them. Whatever happened yesterday
:19:12. > :19:15.nobody is going to come home and lose any respect as long as we
:19:15. > :19:20.followed it through into the game against Australia. Let's finish
:19:20. > :19:23.strong. I agreed, being in New Zealand, we are the most respected
:19:23. > :19:27.country in the tournament at the moment, was New Zealand, and we
:19:27. > :19:33.need -- we need to come through with that respect that we have
:19:33. > :19:37.learned. And beyond? And beyond. You have some Burton, what will
:19:37. > :19:40.happen to him, they have been ambassadors on and off the field.
:19:40. > :19:44.They should be in the dressing room, I'm getting emotional because I
:19:44. > :19:49.have put myself in there, you make of out which of the run say we have
:19:49. > :19:53.to challenge ourselves, week-in, week-out, on and off the field for
:19:53. > :19:57.the next four years, and if they do that and everybody has a
:19:57. > :20:01.responsibility, the press, the public, these guys I young fella
:20:01. > :20:05.has and the amount of adulation you can get, the press coverage, you
:20:05. > :20:09.end up losing your mind. You can see what has happened to Henson.
:20:09. > :20:15.These are world class players and if you keep it together, you could
:20:15. > :20:19.be here in four years as world champions. As disappointed as I was
:20:19. > :20:23.yesterday that was the one bright light. I could not wait for
:20:23. > :20:28.Australia in December, I thought of this side continues on this path we
:20:28. > :20:33.have got exciting times in front of us. A OK, thank you very much
:20:33. > :20:38.indeed. Plenty more to come. Wales have won more game left in the
:20:38. > :20:43.rugby World Cup and it is the bronze final. There is going to be
:20:43. > :20:45.a lot of pride at stake, you know, the Welsh guys haven't been in
:20:46. > :20:50.their semi-final for ages and I think they would like to prove they
:20:51. > :20:55.could have knocked over the Wallabies are and that was the way
:20:55. > :20:59.the draw worked out, so it's going to be a great game. For me it is
:20:59. > :21:05.one of those games, it is slightly more free. The rugby, there is less
:21:05. > :21:15.pressure on the teams. But first, let's see how Eddie Butler's des
:21:15. > :21:19.
:21:19. > :21:23.went yesterday, when Wales took on Hello, mother ship. This is the man
:21:23. > :21:27.at the end of the world calling for stoppages Auckland, it is the
:21:27. > :21:33.biggest day in Welsh rugby history. It is the semi-final of the World
:21:33. > :21:42.Cup. Wales against France. I want to show you something. You see that
:21:42. > :21:49.down there? About there. That is where Manu Tuilagi dreamt of the
:21:49. > :21:59.ferry! -- jumped. Killing Time is a theme, nine o'clock kick-off
:21:59. > :22:04.
:22:05. > :22:11.tonight. What to do on such a day? Only an America's Cup boat, look at
:22:11. > :22:21.this! The I was going to do something strange, a little bit of
:22:21. > :22:24.
:22:24. > :22:31.training. Sorry, Jamie, I can't hear you. Sorry, that is a horrible
:22:31. > :22:37.picture. Then I thought, no, let's get out there. This is a great
:22:38. > :22:41.voyage into the unknown, so here we go. This is it for Wales, this is
:22:41. > :22:45.where they can make history, as long as they can overcome the
:22:45. > :22:55.French tonight, the most unpredictable of all sides in world
:22:55. > :23:08.
:23:08. > :23:13.A bit upset at the moment. Gutted. One out of seven kicks. Playing
:23:13. > :23:23.with 14 players, we did well, but you have to make conversions, you
:23:23. > :23:26.
:23:26. > :23:30.have to kick your penalties and on You know the feeling that somebody
:23:30. > :23:33.turned the light of from rugby it this evening. This was one of it --
:23:33. > :23:37.this was going to be one of the great games, fantastic theatre,
:23:37. > :23:43.everybody in Auckland was willing this to be one of the most
:23:43. > :23:48.magnificent occasions, New Zealand seeing the World Cup but it was
:23:48. > :23:52.ruined. Fans tackled well, their line-out was good, you can take all
:23:52. > :23:57.that but if that was a red card offence then there is something
:23:57. > :24:00.wrong with this sport. Especially what we have to win the line-out
:24:00. > :24:05.according to the letter of the law, the referee was right, it wasn't
:24:05. > :24:09.right in the context of what this World Cup is all about. Some were
:24:09. > :24:19.but -- Sam Warburton a dirty player? Hardly. The lights went out
:24:19. > :24:24.
:24:24. > :24:30.Eddie Butler, like many others, very, very down. I know Amman very
:24:30. > :24:40.happy. Thanks, Jason. On a weekend of Welsh agony here's the Kiwi to
:24:40. > :24:42.
:24:42. > :24:48.Congratulations first. New Zealand are in the final. What is the
:24:48. > :24:54.atmosphere like over there? Buzzing. There is a genuine sense of relief
:24:54. > :24:57.at the moment. The a Australians are not worth anything. We are at
:24:57. > :25:01.the other side and the All Blacks are back to the rugby World Cup
:25:01. > :25:07.final. The only thing that is wrong with the whole situation is that we
:25:07. > :25:12.will not see Wales there and to me, to my personal belief, this is a
:25:12. > :25:15.travesty. A what is the general feeling out there in New Zealand
:25:15. > :25:20.about the fact that Wales are not in the final and the Welsh game,
:25:20. > :25:24.what happened? The sense is basically one of absolute relief
:25:24. > :25:28.because we are pretty sure we would slam them, we weren't too sure
:25:28. > :25:32.about -- we are sure we can slam the French, we were not sure about
:25:32. > :25:37.the Welsh. We watched the Welsh game and as soon as the red card
:25:37. > :25:41.came out the guts fell out of the whole night for us. They had have
:25:41. > :25:48.been tremendous, Wales, and the All Blacks if they had played like that,
:25:48. > :25:54.we have got no worries. We are winning against the wrong team.
:25:54. > :26:01.is your favourite team, France? yes, I love the French, I really
:26:01. > :26:11.love them. All I can say is if New Zealand don't beat the French I
:26:11. > :26:21.
:26:21. > :26:24.will be out there putting my joke He is the real star of the Rugby
:26:24. > :26:31.World Cup. It is a repeat of the 1980s seven final. Can the French
:26:31. > :26:35.cause an upset? No. Next question. I think he's Zealand there was
:26:35. > :26:39.class. You saw them this morning against Australian, the intensity
:26:39. > :26:45.of the play in the game. You said beforehand a few weeks ago, you
:26:45. > :26:50.have an Asian, 20 years of frustration built up -- a nation.
:26:50. > :26:53.The earthquake there last year, this country needs it. You have
:26:53. > :26:58.seen this whole country livings through those players at the moment.
:26:58. > :27:02.They will wipe the floor. It is the All Blacks to lose and Richard
:27:02. > :27:07.McCaw was outstanding this morning? A yes, we said that from the
:27:07. > :27:11.beginning of the tournament. This has been New Zealand's to lose. It
:27:11. > :27:15.is in their own back yard. Will the pressure tell on them? It has not
:27:15. > :27:21.shown so far. They had a workman like shift this morning against
:27:21. > :27:26.Australia. No fancy stuff. Just did the basics right and proper. They
:27:26. > :27:29.enjoyed it as well. They look as though they are under pressure, of
:27:29. > :27:38.course they are, but they are enjoying it. They have the right
:27:38. > :27:43.balance. The backs are LED well, kicking his goals. Cruden, he gets
:27:43. > :27:49.the ball and should sit along. Outside him there are 14 class
:27:49. > :27:55.players. That is the only slight weakness, without Kata they haven't
:27:55. > :28:00.got the world-class kicker. -- cart. That is the only chance France have
:28:00. > :28:07.but I think New Zealand will win. The French have fallen out again,
:28:07. > :28:12.parodied. Lievremont asked them not to go out and they went out. He
:28:12. > :28:17.called them spoiled brats in his press conference. Yes, he has
:28:17. > :28:23.reported them as going out and told the world. Last week it was half
:28:23. > :28:26.tongue-in-cheek, this week he is mad, a genius, or both. His way to
:28:26. > :28:36.get the best out of the team is to get them to hate him as much as
:28:36. > :28:36.
:28:36. > :28:46.possible. A works for you? I can't say that. I don't understand him,
:28:46. > :28:47.
:28:47. > :28:57.really. He criticises his players Graham Henry, history will judge
:28:57. > :28:58.
:28:58. > :29:07.him on this game? Definitely. It is dangerous to say that France are so
:29:07. > :29:12.bad. One friend of mine did the double down there in 1984. I know
:29:12. > :29:21.some Kiwis. Secretly they did not want to play France. We enjoyed
:29:21. > :29:27.Graham Henry when he was here. Pen consecutive victories. -- 10. He
:29:27. > :29:34.said up a good situation for Welsh rugby. He gave also good work load,
:29:34. > :29:43.put a good shift in. Welsh rugby has got a lot to be grateful for.
:29:43. > :29:47.You could argue are two teams left in the tournament... They will
:29:47. > :29:52.obviously be worried about France but I cannot see them losing.
:29:52. > :29:58.France have probably been one of the poorest nations so far and they
:29:58. > :30:02.still have reached the final. If Wales are not going to win, Wales -
:30:02. > :30:07.- New Zealand is deserve to. They have been the best team in the last
:30:07. > :30:14.10 years. It is about time that they won it.
:30:14. > :30:19.Now we look ahead to Wales against Australia.
:30:19. > :30:23.I have been flicking through the laws of the Rugby Union are looking
:30:24. > :30:29.for some crumbs of comfort and there are none to be had. The final
:30:29. > :30:39.bitter irony? Guess he they have got to demonstrate the signals of
:30:39. > :30:42.
:30:42. > :30:48.referee's? Miss you're Alain Rolland. -- Mr Alain Rolland. I'm
:30:48. > :30:55.joined by Bobby Skinstad. Give me an assessment of yesterday's semi-
:30:55. > :31:01.final. It was always going to be difficult for Wales. They had such
:31:01. > :31:06.a good performance against Ireland. The Frenchies are sold predictable.
:31:06. > :31:11.I felt they were the favourites. Their defence have been outstanding.
:31:11. > :31:15.The one thing that has stood out is the management of their own game.
:31:15. > :31:23.They have played their own way. They have but have tried to
:31:23. > :31:29.kowtowed to other styles. They had that as an advantage. That dreadful
:31:29. > :31:36.incident with Warburton... One of those unfortunate things that
:31:36. > :31:41.rocked the boat. They showed real guts to stay in it. Alain Rolland,
:31:41. > :31:46.with the law, he made the right decision, didn't the? I would love
:31:46. > :31:52.to say that he didn't. But unfortunately, to the letter of the
:31:52. > :31:55.law, it is a red card offence. If you're in the situation where
:31:55. > :32:00.you're in charge of the tackle, which he clearly was, he could have
:32:01. > :32:04.driven him back several yards. He did not need to lift him. He could
:32:04. > :32:12.have made bestowed over the ball. As he has already done in this
:32:12. > :32:17.tournament. I think it was maybe just the heat of the moment.
:32:17. > :32:23.Probably the smaller man, maybe his legs flicked up quicker than normal.
:32:23. > :32:30.I do not think he needed to lift him off the ground. He had won the
:32:30. > :32:37.contact. We have a third and 4th place play-off. Do you even care
:32:37. > :32:43.who wins it? I think there will be a lot of pride at stake. The Welsh
:32:43. > :32:47.guys have not been in a semi-final for ages. They would like to prove
:32:47. > :32:55.they could have knocked over the Wallabies had that been away the
:32:55. > :33:02.draw worked out. It will be a great game. It is slightly more free.
:33:02. > :33:08.There is less pressure on the teams. We may see some of running rugby.
:33:08. > :33:13.The Welsh back line have proved themselves. It should be a mouth-
:33:13. > :33:20.watering game. I feel a little bit better. We have got Australia next
:33:21. > :33:25.week. Let Kaouch up with Mr Tim Horan and see what he has to say. -
:33:25. > :33:32.- catch up. We have got the bronze medal game, the game nobody really
:33:32. > :33:38.cares about. Can you be bothered to give a prediction? I think the
:33:38. > :33:43.Welsh and Wallabies will change their side. The next five Test
:33:43. > :33:48.matches for the Wallabies will be against the Welsh. Replay third and
:33:48. > :33:58.4th place play-off, we play you in December, and then we play three
:33:58. > :34:01.
:34:01. > :34:06.Test matches in June next year. is like an Ashes series! Yes! It is
:34:06. > :34:13.a hard game to get up for, the third and 4th place play-off. You
:34:13. > :34:18.have to finish the World Cup. Both teams disappointed. But give them
:34:18. > :34:22.another three or four days and they will get up for the game. We will
:34:22. > :34:27.meet up one day. Go and have that Pierre!
:34:27. > :34:33.Good to hear from Tim Horan. Who will make the Wales team were the
:34:33. > :34:39.third and 4th plays play-off? -- for the third and 4th plays play-
:34:39. > :34:44.off? Hit the professional coach of the
:34:44. > :34:50.Wales team is anything to go by in this World Cup, why Gatland will
:34:51. > :35:00.want to finish third. He will want his first 15 starting. The backs
:35:00. > :35:05.pick themselves. Rhys Priestland will come back into 12 -- 10. They
:35:05. > :35:11.will need a platform up front. Craig Mitchell will come in instead
:35:11. > :35:18.of Alun-Wyn Jones. He could do very well against Australia. Ryan Jones
:35:18. > :35:24.came in at six, and Dan Lydiate been in the all-important job that
:35:24. > :35:29.a Sam Warburton has done. It is interesting, the cities did --
:35:29. > :35:37.statistics of both teams are well matched. A very exciting game in
:35:37. > :35:42.prospect. Turnovers for Australia, 25. Who was responsible for that?
:35:42. > :35:48.David Pocock. They call it the battle of the heads. Getting low
:35:48. > :35:55.over the ball to force penalties or when possession. David Pocock is a
:35:55. > :36:00.great exponent of this game. He is everywhere. They have also got
:36:00. > :36:05.stars behind. The Welsh team will respect Australia. James O'Connor,
:36:05. > :36:10.one of the best runners in world rugby. If he gets possession, he
:36:10. > :36:17.will cause problems. Wales have beaten so Mola, they have beaten
:36:17. > :36:22.Ireland. They have both beaten Australia in the last two months.
:36:22. > :36:30.There is no reason we cannot beat Australia, as long as we keep the
:36:30. > :36:36.standards high. Wales have to win. What you think of the reshuffle?
:36:36. > :36:40.is as good as we got. Sam is a massive loss. You need a good back
:36:40. > :36:46.row to compete against the David Pocock. He was fantastic this
:36:46. > :36:53.morning. A one-man wrecking wishing. The Wales back five, just give it
:36:53. > :37:00.to him! He got away with so much this morning. Dan Lydiate can do a
:37:00. > :37:04.great job at number seven. It will be nice to see a Ryan back. I am
:37:04. > :37:10.sure he is desperate for a chance after losing his place. Let's win
:37:10. > :37:16.this game. Play the way we have been playing. There is as seven out
:37:16. > :37:23.there at the moment. He is working for television? It would be
:37:23. > :37:33.unbelievable for him. Martyn Williams. I think his arm should be
:37:33. > :37:34.
:37:34. > :37:40.all right. It will be now! Strap that up, send his boots out and it
:37:40. > :37:46.would be brilliant. He has probably taken his boot, hasn't he? I do not
:37:46. > :37:50.know. They are disappointed after yesterday. They had a nice day
:37:50. > :37:56.today. They have been to the Vineyard first some wine tasting. I
:37:56. > :38:05.would be over the moon if Martin got his 100 Kapo. Stockline 99 caps
:38:05. > :38:09.has been horrible for him. -- he has been stuck on 99 caps.
:38:09. > :38:14.Horan talk about the Bronze Final. Fans, players, pundits, nobody
:38:14. > :38:20.really cares. Rob Howley talked about how they have to win it
:38:20. > :38:24.because they are a proud once. How did they pick themselves up?
:38:24. > :38:29.Australia played today. They threw the kitchen sink at New Zealand.
:38:29. > :38:34.Wales will feel aggrieved. There is a lot of hurt. Emotionally they
:38:34. > :38:42.will have more going into the game than Australia. For them I think it
:38:42. > :38:47.is a case of putting the ghost to bed. The third-place play-off is
:38:47. > :38:52.not everything. The biggest test is how they stay together for the next
:38:52. > :38:58.four years. If you keep these young guys together, you should go one
:38:58. > :39:08.better next time. You got close to Australia, didn't you? Yes, we got
:39:08. > :39:08.
:39:08. > :39:15.close. You can do a job on the Australian front five. Quade Cooper
:39:15. > :39:24.defence. Moving Ashley-Cooper from centre to fullback, he is the best
:39:24. > :39:32.centre. If Kurtley Beale comes back next week, it will be at different
:39:32. > :39:37.game. Put Quade Cooper under pressure. We have got the players
:39:37. > :39:42.to do that. We can get the ball. With the front five we will be
:39:43. > :39:51.dominant. We can win that game. are earning your money tonight as a
:39:52. > :39:57.coach. How do you pick those players up? How will it they pick
:39:57. > :40:01.themselves up for what is a meaningless game? I think Josh
:40:02. > :40:08.Totts done it. They want to leave the tournament with the respect. Do
:40:08. > :40:16.not leave it by a damp squib. The shackles are off. They have not got
:40:16. > :40:22.as much pressure. We all feel that we have been done an injustice.
:40:22. > :40:27.Let's use that. Let's use anything. Show everybody that we have lost no
:40:27. > :40:32.credit. We have beaten Australia and we lost a game that really was
:40:32. > :40:39.possibly down to a refereeing decision. Gareth, an opportunity to
:40:39. > :40:44.claim a sudden hemisphere scalp? Without doubt. The players will
:40:44. > :40:48.feel that somebody has had it in for them. What a great opportunity.
:40:48. > :40:53.They have another shot at playing a top team and showing the world that
:40:53. > :41:00.we deserve to be in the final. It is making a statement. This is a
:41:00. > :41:07.mental thing as much as a physical thing. In 1999 we got pulled out of
:41:07. > :41:11.South Africa -- by South Africa and it changed our focus. We knew we
:41:11. > :41:17.had to be the Southern hemisphere teams regularly. Where better to
:41:17. > :41:22.start? I really hope he sticks with the team that has been playing well.
:41:22. > :41:27.The coaching has been fantastic. Let's hope they can keep it
:41:27. > :41:32.together for one week. Keep the core of the team. If necessary,
:41:33. > :41:38.give some guys who have been on the touch line and have worked hard,
:41:38. > :41:44.their chance. Not one necessary changes. The core side and give a
:41:44. > :41:51.few good caps two guys who deserve it. History is repeating itself in
:41:51. > :41:57.--. In 1987 Wales met Australia for third place. A veteran of that team
:41:57. > :42:07.is here tonight. Yes, I am delighted to welcome Paul
:42:07. > :42:36.
:42:36. > :42:46.Thorburn. Let us remind ourselves Robert Jones... The Welsh drive on.
:42:46. > :42:46.
:42:46. > :43:53.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 66 seconds
:43:53. > :44:01.Michael Lynagh has got the drop is all over. -- that brings the
:44:01. > :44:05.Brilliant stuff. What are your personal memories of that game?
:44:05. > :44:09.guys have been talking about the emotion. It is very difficult for
:44:09. > :44:16.the players to pick themselves up. We had lost to New Zealand but we
:44:16. > :44:19.were not expected to win. We wanted to put right the score line, 49-six
:44:19. > :44:22.was us hammering. Australia were devastated not getting to the final
:44:22. > :44:28.and losing to France and they don't think they were up for the game.
:44:28. > :44:31.You have to try to salvage something. Once you get over the
:44:31. > :44:35.emotion you will pick yourself up and getting to it. When you put
:44:35. > :44:40.that kick overcome or was going through your mind? I think I was
:44:40. > :44:44.thinking of the flight home! It had been a long six or seven weeks,
:44:44. > :44:48.injuries, emotion. We salvage something, that was important. The
:44:48. > :44:52.young guys would have been feeling badly done by yesterday but they
:44:52. > :44:56.have to start winning against the Southern hemisphere. How important
:44:56. > :45:01.for Wales to finish on a high? Massively important. They need to
:45:01. > :45:05.pick the same team, I would buy the injuries and Sam Warburton. Let's
:45:05. > :45:09.get a win. Australia won this as much as anything because they are
:45:09. > :45:17.hurting of the fact we to keep talking about 1987. They will be up
:45:17. > :45:21.for it on the day. No one wants to lose. The player who was sent off
:45:21. > :45:31.went on very physical and emotional, so when it comes to the crunch it
:45:31. > :45:34.
:45:34. > :45:38.is 15 against 15. Let's hope we get Good to see you, Paul. A date for
:45:38. > :45:42.your diaries. We will be here next Friday on Scrum V on BBC Two Wales
:45:42. > :45:47.at 7pm, looking back up the entire rugby World Cup campaign from a
:45:47. > :45:50.Welsh perspective. It has been an unbelievable week, to be a Welsh
:45:50. > :45:55.man. Who would have thought 65,000 people crammed into the Millennium
:45:55. > :45:59.Stadium to watch the game on television? The Welsh flag flying
:45:59. > :46:03.above Downing Street, they managed to persuade Mr Cameron to do that,
:46:03. > :46:10.Mr Cameron sending good luck messages and the Mayor of London
:46:10. > :46:15.ringing Adam Jones. Exactly, that sums it up. It is marvellous. It
:46:15. > :46:21.has been a great message about Welsh rugby. You know there is no
:46:21. > :46:26.doubt that over the last few years outstanding worldwide, the
:46:26. > :46:30.standings, we have been let down as far as 7th orate, 9th, now we are
:46:30. > :46:34.at the top five without question. That was standing in world rugby
:46:34. > :46:37.has been reinstated and it has been thrilled to hear people from New
:46:37. > :46:42.Zealand, ringing me up regularly, saying how much they enjoy that
:46:42. > :46:49.boys playing. More importantly, how they have enjoyed the conduct of
:46:49. > :46:52.the boys and the way in which they have got involved with the local
:46:52. > :46:57.people and everybody and been part of the whole thing. So it has made
:46:57. > :47:02.me feel very proud Welshman. Also these boys have united a nation?
:47:02. > :47:07.Yes, they have, it has been fantastic. They want to go out on a
:47:07. > :47:11.high. They have lots of youngsters like Rhys Priestland, the ball back
:47:11. > :47:15.row, George North, players that you would not be sure how they would
:47:15. > :47:18.react to play at a high class level and they have been outstanding. It
:47:19. > :47:22.stands us in good stead for the Six Nations next year, where I think we
:47:22. > :47:27.can go and win a Grand Slam again. There is something special about
:47:27. > :47:35.this squad. Well said, ladies and gentlemen, please thank Gareth
:47:35. > :47:40.Edwards, Kingsley Jones, Josh Lewsey and Tom Shanklin. The Rugby
:47:40. > :47:44.World Cup dream ended yesterday but for the fans out there and the
:47:44. > :47:54.65,000 fans to clamp -- crammed into the Millennium Stadium your
:47:54. > :48:00.
:48:00. > :48:09.support was felt 12,000 miles away. Obviously a lot of fans back home