Episode 12

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:00:24. > :00:34.We have all the action the boss al -- we have all action, and a bottle

:00:34. > :00:41.

:00:41. > :00:46.the Blues ball for a result of the weekend. We catch up with their

:00:46. > :00:50.eight man of the match who is not afraid to break down the law.

:00:50. > :00:55.you the kind of player who is not sure I've of telling players what

:00:55. > :01:05.to do even though they are 10 years older than you? A I do not know

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:01:19. > :01:28.about that. Liam Williams cheers on Welcome to the first how light show

:01:28. > :01:37.of 2013. He is Jonathan Davis and joins me. We will start with the

:01:37. > :01:41.match against Munster and the Cardiff Blues. The Jamie Roberts

:01:41. > :01:51.returned, making his first appearance since Wales lost to

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:02:09. > :02:19.Australia. Ronan O'Gara is now blows. Rhys Patchell could get a

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:02:44. > :02:54.try here if he can control the ball. credit this season already. -- 49

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:02:54. > :04:50.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 115 seconds

:04:50. > :05:00.points macro to his credit this very quick on his feet. -- cult

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:05:04. > :05:09.planned is very quick on his feet. The given their recent run, there

:05:09. > :05:19.was a fantastic. In it was an amazing result. I do not think

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:05:19. > :05:26.anyone expected it. Great defensive performance. It was a great, great

:05:26. > :05:36.result for Cardiff. The they did seem under the Pompeii in that

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:05:39. > :05:49.first half. -- under the pump. There is a definite recipe for

:05:49. > :05:52.

:05:52. > :06:02.winning against Munster. They are far better organised. It's Jamie

:06:02. > :06:19.

:06:19. > :06:25.There are working in tandem here. It takes a lot of doing. Sam

:06:25. > :06:35.Warburton was back to his aggressive self-. He made a their

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:06:48. > :06:58.tackle there. -- He made a low The green shoots of recovery.

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:07:00. > :07:10.Should we be circumspect? Or it was a great, great performance. It was

:07:10. > :07:13.

:07:13. > :07:23.a great finish. There is a lot of talent in Wales. Munster going to

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:07:30. > :07:39.natural. -- too lateral. The that was their downfall, to be honest.

:07:39. > :07:44.They have to go slowly but still get results. Rhys Patchell shone.

:07:44. > :07:50.18 months ago, he was doing his A- levels. He is been told it was one

:07:50. > :07:57.of the contenders to replace Rhys Priestland in the Six Nations. He

:07:57. > :08:01.is keen to play the hype down. in a fly-half in Wales is tough.

:08:01. > :08:07.Know the position had tracks so much attention and scrutiny. Rhys

:08:07. > :08:15.Patchell seems to have the maturity to cope, and he is under no

:08:15. > :08:23.illusions about the challenges ahead. It has been a swift rise.

:08:23. > :08:32.You have gone from virtually unrecognisable in the space of one

:08:32. > :08:40.season. You now seem to be first choice. I'd do not know about that.

:08:40. > :08:46.In terms of how quickly it has happened, it has been surprising.

:08:46. > :08:56.It must have been daunting. It was a bit daunting going to training on

:08:56. > :08:58.

:08:58. > :09:03.day one. in terms of the way you won again, you are fly-half and you

:09:04. > :09:10.have to boss players around. I you shy about telling players what to

:09:10. > :09:16.do even though they may be 10 years older than you? You have to tell

:09:16. > :09:26.everyone this is what we want, and this is how the game is going to go.

:09:26. > :09:27.

:09:27. > :09:32.People have to be in certain positions. You just have to put

:09:32. > :09:42.your thumbs up and go through with it. You have any heroes, players

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:09:49. > :09:53.you look up to own? Jonny Wilkinson. Stephen Larkham. The there's a few

:09:53. > :09:58.new look at and think, if I can take that from him, that would be

:09:58. > :10:08.good. Every Thursday night, Rhys Patchell turns up at his old club

:10:08. > :10:34.

:10:34. > :10:38.in Cardiff to help with coaching There's a lot of speculation about

:10:39. > :10:48.who will be the next fly-half with Christian being injured and your

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:10:49. > :10:57.name has been mentioned frequently. -- with that your -- with

:10:57. > :11:02.Priestland being injured. How colder are you with that? It is

:11:02. > :11:07.really humbling that people are saying potentially you could do

:11:07. > :11:11.this, but as I said, I am 19 and if it happens in the next few years

:11:11. > :11:21.than that is great but at the moment, you know, I am up there

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:11:22. > :11:28.every week for the Blues and that Very intelligent, bright lad. It is

:11:28. > :11:38.important to play the hype down. met him a few times. He's very

:11:38. > :11:38.

:11:39. > :11:48.level-headed and intelligent. He works hard, great work ethic. He

:11:48. > :11:54.communicates well. Let's calm down a little bit. He is 19. It would

:11:54. > :12:04.not be a good idea to throw him in under too much pressure. I have no

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:12:04. > :12:14.doubt he will play for Wales. At the moment, leaving to learn his

:12:14. > :12:17.

:12:17. > :12:22.trade. It has been tough for him. Maybe it will be easier for him

:12:22. > :12:32.next year. At the moment, leave him and let him develop. Sage advice

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:12:35. > :12:45.that. Thank you for that. Now Friday night, when the Ospreys took

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:12:45. > :13:27.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 115 seconds

:13:27. > :13:37.follow their Christmas wins with desperately. It is no more than the

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:13:37. > :13:45.Zebre desert. 28 minutes gone. There is a penalty coming to the

:13:45. > :13:55.Ospreys, and a chance to take the lead for the first time. Dan Biggar.

:13:55. > :14:17.

:14:17. > :14:27.65 minutes gone. The Ospreys Age Ospreys. But Zebre have not looked

:14:27. > :14:55.

:14:55. > :15:05.and that could be the moment that When they scored that try, we were

:15:05. > :15:06.

:15:06. > :15:11.just... Just tackle on the line and got the ball away. But I think we

:15:11. > :15:15.have set a few home truths are now. Refreshing honesty from Adam Jones

:15:15. > :15:24.there if nothing else. A poor performance hugger that be a

:15:25. > :15:30.blessing in disguise and a wake-up call? -- but could that be? I don't

:15:30. > :15:36.know. They made some changes and Zebre came with some really

:15:36. > :15:43.determine changes. They tried to play a 2 and a half strategies. A

:15:43. > :15:47.great try that he scored and he is kicking well. This will be

:15:47. > :15:52.forgotten in three weeks' time and it is a win at the end of the day.

:15:52. > :16:02.And of course, the Heineken Cup next. Ospreys have come third in

:16:02. > :16:09.that's wreath. Of -- in that the matter pool. Everybody is having a

:16:09. > :16:15.pop at the regional game. Ospreys could be contenders to go through

:16:15. > :16:23.and maybe make a good hit at it. But yesterday, you just forget

:16:23. > :16:27.about it. They scraped a win. It will be forgotten. And next week

:16:28. > :16:37.there will be no complacency. They will have an edge there and a great

:16:37. > :16:42.chance of winning. If I think it is important that they prevent points.

:16:42. > :16:46.In my experience it is a one school game. Dan Biggar was the main man

:16:46. > :16:53.sparing the Ospreys their blushes. Does that mean he is in

:16:53. > :17:02.composition? Well, it's... It is an awkward situation because you've

:17:02. > :17:11.got Dan Biggar, and then Rhys Priestland, who was the best number

:17:11. > :17:18.ten. Do they think Dan Biggar is good enough to play that role for

:17:18. > :17:22.Wales? That is one thought process they have. Secondly, do they then

:17:22. > :17:26.think Steve Cook can run the game for Wales at Number 10? Those are

:17:27. > :17:30.the options they have. I know they have got to go with one. That is

:17:30. > :17:40.the call they have to make a stop whatever they do, they have got to

:17:40. > :17:43.

:17:43. > :17:53.stick with it. -- they have got to make a start. They are now in a

:17:53. > :17:53.

:17:53. > :17:59.position where they have got to go with one even after Rhys Priestland.

:17:59. > :18:09.Who do they go with? It is as simple as that. There was another

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:18:09. > :18:18.in talking point in the game. Let's look at this. Five minutes to go.

:18:18. > :18:28.Look at that tackle! His own physio comes on. Look at him! Key slides

:18:28. > :18:31.

:18:31. > :18:39.in. That is a red card. -- he slides in. He is a reserve winger

:18:39. > :18:43.in a tight match. That could have been different! A different result!

:18:43. > :18:53.Next up, the principality Premiership and with a writ -- a

:18:53. > :19:05.

:19:05. > :19:11.round-up of the weekend's action, Carmarthen celebrated their 7th

:19:11. > :19:21.League win of the season with a bonus point. Jason Harris scored

:19:21. > :19:21.

:19:21. > :19:26.two tries for his side and Bridgend went home with nothing.

:19:26. > :19:36.The visitors failed to score when the home side were down to 13 but

:19:36. > :19:36.

:19:36. > :19:44.there's got two late tries to grab a bonus point. -- but they scored.

:19:44. > :19:52.This match ended in stalemate, with all the points coming in the first

:19:52. > :20:02.half. Despite the draw, the visitors outscored the home side by

:20:02. > :20:07.

:20:07. > :20:11.If Neath other last visiting side to come away with a victory but

:20:11. > :20:21.after two good wins over Leeds in the Irish Cup they were confident

:20:21. > :20:30.

:20:30. > :20:40.of another home town when. Over for the opening try. Just the

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:20:44. > :20:54.third minute. Pontypridd on the move again. There could be an

:20:54. > :20:57.

:20:57. > :21:07.overlap on here. Clayton's caused his third try it in two games. He -

:21:07. > :21:23.

:21:23. > :21:29.score. The one-way traffic continues. Adam Thomas looking for

:21:29. > :21:39.an inside run there. The tackling was poor there and there is the

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:21:41. > :21:45.bonus point in injury time for Pontypridd. Karl Thomas weights. --

:21:45. > :21:54.waits. Six of the best for Pontypridd as they keep up the

:21:54. > :21:59.The boys have been chomping at the bit to get out there. It has been

:21:59. > :22:05.quite frustrating for them, waiting, andthey released a bit of

:22:05. > :22:15.testosterone today and did it with style. -- and I suppose they

:22:15. > :22:23.

:22:23. > :22:31.Congratulations from everybody here to Ellis Lloyd, this month's

:22:31. > :22:37.principality Premiership player of the month. He played all his youth

:22:37. > :22:46.and junior rugby at Hendy RFC before moving to Carmarthen four

:22:46. > :22:56.years ago. After a difficult Christmas season,

:22:56. > :22:56.

:22:56. > :23:06.the Dragons travelled to Connacht. A crowd of almost 5,000 gathered in

:23:06. > :23:13.

:23:13. > :23:18.from this scrum scramble. And it got worse for the Dragons before

:23:18. > :23:28.half-time. Some of Madame Tussaud's defending allowed a free gallop at

:23:28. > :23:32.the middle and number 8 finished off the move at the posts. 20

:23:32. > :23:42.points to three at half-time and the second half brought more of the

:23:42. > :23:45.

:23:45. > :23:49.same. Danie Poolman was sent it flying at the flag. And all the

:23:49. > :23:55.while, the former Blues fly half, Dan Parks, had been clicking with

:23:55. > :24:04.his kicking. And this snacked got goal took his match contribution to

:24:04. > :24:08.15 points and added further misery. The Dragons did finish with a try.

:24:08. > :24:16.This corner effort by Jonathan Evans. But it was little

:24:16. > :24:23.consolation and their slow puncture Plenty of speculation about who the

:24:23. > :24:27.new coach could be. What is the story? Ad in nine years at the

:24:27. > :24:33.Ospreys and I deserve a bit of the brick! What I have been doing his

:24:33. > :24:40.regenerating and spending time with my family and I am enjoying the

:24:40. > :24:47.break. But watch this space! That is a no! Potentially troubling

:24:47. > :24:54.times of the pitch and we heard Martin Hazell saying he will fight

:24:54. > :24:58.tooth and nail to keep the region going. There is a hint that the

:24:58. > :25:04.number of regions might have to go down and if that is the case, the

:25:04. > :25:09.Dragons are in a very vulnerable position. Isn't that the case?

:25:09. > :25:15.don't know. We were nine sides and now we are four. Why would you go

:25:15. > :25:21.down again? There is enough talent in Wales. If you look at Scotland

:25:21. > :25:26.and the two regions there, that is not working. How would you cut the

:25:26. > :25:36.three Chris Bainger would it be geographical? You know, success? --

:25:36. > :25:40.

:25:40. > :25:46.would -- how would you cut the three? I just think we cannot

:25:46. > :25:50.afford to go down less than four sides. We need those sides. We need

:25:50. > :25:55.people to come through who want to play for those sides. I just feel

:25:55. > :26:00.that the union is making profits. What is the point in making profits

:26:00. > :26:04.if you are not going to use it? Give the regions more money to be

:26:04. > :26:13.hopefully more successful and key players in Wales and bring quality

:26:13. > :26:18.overseas players in to help those youngsters through. -- keep players.

:26:18. > :26:23.I just find we are always talking about doom and gloom and cutting

:26:23. > :26:32.sides. What is the point in that? On the subject of money, the

:26:32. > :26:37.argument goes that if the pot of money for the regions is split into

:26:37. > :26:41.two it means more money for those two regions. I think there is more

:26:41. > :26:46.to it. We have to look in more detail at the funding that is there

:26:46. > :26:52.and the key phrase he mentioned was quality overseas. Both the Blues

:26:52. > :26:56.and the Scarlets, arguably, two of the worst scrums and the region and

:26:56. > :27:00.some of the best players. So are we investing properly? The regions

:27:00. > :27:04.need help with that and if the union is making profit we need to

:27:04. > :27:12.disburse the money better so our teams are stronger and the boys can

:27:12. > :27:18.play with a better International's. Yes. I just think we need to look

:27:18. > :27:23.at it and keep up players in Wales. We could open a real can of worms.

:27:23. > :27:28.I could get on my soapbox about different things but that is the

:27:28. > :27:32.key at the moment. Just to try to work together, as we said, and they

:27:32. > :27:37.put the record together and said, let's work together. And what is

:27:37. > :27:43.happening? I don't know. They are spouting off about things that they

:27:43. > :27:46.should and. We will discuss this more after the show, I am sure. But

:27:46. > :27:56.Ireland and Friday night with a table-topping clash between Ulster

:27:56. > :27:56.

:27:56. > :28:40.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 115 seconds

:28:40. > :28:50.second and Ulster. Williams was Phillips. -- tie and nicely. --

:28:50. > :29:00.

:29:00. > :29:10.done! And Jon Davies locks it through. It is all actions staff as

:29:10. > :29:11.

:29:11. > :29:21.he follows up. -- action stuff. Just the presence of Jacques and...

:29:21. > :29:26.

:29:26. > :29:35.Great support! -- Jackson. And it just slows down. He might not let

:29:35. > :29:45.him have it. And chopping and changing now are as Jackson comes

:29:45. > :30:10.

:30:10. > :30:20.- Class, sheer class from Ulster. Taken by Nick Williams. He's gone

:30:20. > :30:52.

:30:52. > :31:02.over. Number six of the season for with him. George North. Generous

:31:02. > :31:02.

:31:02. > :31:56.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 115 seconds

:31:56. > :32:05.it? Yes, he can in smug -- yes, he picked of Aled Thomas. Is at a

:32:05. > :32:15.penalty? What is the decision? It is a yellow card for Aled Thomas.

:32:15. > :32:42.

:32:42. > :32:47.is the Scarlets who have the last There is a lot of emotion around at

:32:47. > :32:54.the moment and we are disappointed. We have to try to move on the best

:32:54. > :33:01.we can. Yes, we are disappointed, but we have to move on. Where

:33:01. > :33:11.professional sports people, so we have to act professional. Let's

:33:11. > :33:21.

:33:21. > :33:31.round-up the weekend's other It is the first time the Ospreys

:33:31. > :33:35.

:33:35. > :33:42.have been in the top four all A brief injury up date as well.

:33:42. > :33:49.George North has not suffered any serious injury, I am happy to say.

:33:49. > :33:59.The Scarlets say it is too early to assess when he will be back in play.

:33:59. > :34:04.

:34:04. > :34:12.That is the 4th time... It should have been closer. Yes. I think they

:34:12. > :34:22.will finish in the top two. Apart from the Ospreys, they are

:34:22. > :34:25.

:34:25. > :34:35.struggling in the scrum department. That has a huge bearing on scores.

:34:35. > :34:58.

:34:58. > :35:02.It is hard work. The Ospreys are very, very competitive. The other

:35:02. > :35:12.teams are struggling. To what extent have the wheels fall off for

:35:12. > :35:14.

:35:14. > :35:24.the Scarlets? -- or fallen off. their set pieces and not great.

:35:24. > :35:42.

:35:42. > :35:52.are ready to attack, to counter attack. Alec Thomas decides to cake

:35:52. > :35:53.

:35:53. > :36:03.-- kick. They are struggling in the scrum department. He it takes its

:36:03. > :36:09.

:36:09. > :36:17.toll. McWilliams burst through there. -- Mick Williams. George

:36:17. > :36:27.Turnbull is tired. He took up wrong option. A Alec Thomas Legg misses

:36:27. > :36:36.

:36:36. > :36:46.the tackle. -- Al Ed Thomas misses the tackle. As you get tired, the

:36:46. > :36:49.

:36:49. > :36:59.Liam Williams was out with concussion. We thought it was time

:36:59. > :37:23.

:37:23. > :37:29.to find out more about him. We went MUSIC: My Generation by The Who.

:37:29. > :37:36.Did you ever have any idea you would be performing in

:37:36. > :37:45.internationals? No, it is quite mad, to be honest. That last two years

:37:45. > :37:51.have gone by really quickly. It is great to be part of the tame.

:37:51. > :38:01.were a scaffolder before? Scaffolder by trade. A do you miss

:38:01. > :38:07.

:38:07. > :38:17.that? No, not at all. It is the same Liam Williams, but a stronger,

:38:17. > :38:42.

:38:42. > :38:48.faster version. He has done Six Nations is just a month away.

:38:48. > :38:58.What are your ambitions? First thing is to get fit. I want to do

:38:58. > :39:02.

:39:02. > :39:12.really well, work hard with them and see if I actually get a game.

:39:12. > :39:20.

:39:20. > :39:29.few months back, Gareth Thomas was born with lows. A -- was on with us.

:39:29. > :39:39.He seems at a mental, like me. you wait a mad? A date. Do you have

:39:39. > :40:14.

:40:14. > :40:20.any heroes? INAUDIBLE. Everybody calls to Sanjay. I had toys and die

:40:20. > :40:24.would say -- I had toys and I would say, I will give you this tour if

:40:24. > :40:34.you give me that one, and my mother thought I was like Sanjay off

:40:34. > :40:51.

:40:51. > :40:57.We are entering enemy territory for you. Who should we spy? Kevin

:40:57. > :41:07.Murphy. It is great you have time to come back to your old club and

:41:07. > :41:12.

:41:12. > :41:21.give support. It is good to come down when we can. Liam, it was

:41:21. > :41:30.tense. It was a close one. Grateful start a it was good to spend time

:41:30. > :41:34.in your company. Cheers. Top day. Good company, he was. It was

:41:34. > :41:44.encouraging to see his old coach talking about the fact that there

:41:44. > :41:47.

:41:47. > :41:54.is more than one route to the top. Look at the Welsh team now. Ryan

:41:54. > :42:04.Jones is a late developer. I think Liam is a role model to men who do

:42:04. > :42:08.

:42:08. > :42:11.not need the academy. There are late developers now. The Ospreys

:42:11. > :42:21.Academy let Leigh Halfpenny go because they said he was too small,

:42:21. > :42:27.

:42:27. > :42:37.and look at him now. dyke did not play for any national sides. -- I

:42:37. > :42:39.

:42:39. > :42:47.did not play for any national side. I am grateful to my rugby club. I

:42:47. > :42:53.enjoyed the game. Phil Bennett gave me my opportunity. Them is so much

:42:53. > :43:00.raw talent in Wales and we cannot afford to miss any. I think we