Special

:00:15. > :00:17.Good evening. Welcome to scrum five at a time when the professional game

:00:18. > :00:24.in Wales is either in crisis at a time when the professional game

:00:25. > :00:25.one. Tonight for one. Tonighd for t`e first timd,

:00:26. > :00:27.since the row between regions and silce the row between regaons `nd

:00:28. > :00:29.union became public before silce the row between regaons `nd

:00:30. > :00:32.Christmas, we have both silce the row between regaons `nd

:00:33. > :00:33.together in public around the table togedher hn public around the table

:00:34. > :00:36.for the first time. togedher hn public around the table

:00:37. > :00:37.for dhe firct time. e togedher hn public around the table

:00:38. > :00:38.why they are locked in dispute, why dhey `re locked in dispute,

:00:39. > :00:40.what's the solution could be and what's thd colution could be and

:00:41. > :00:42.potentially the consequences if they potentially the bonsequdnces if they

:00:43. > :00:45.can't agree. We have also invited an potentially the bonsequdnces if they

:00:46. > :00:46.audience of rugby experts, legal au`ience nf rugbx experts, leg`l

:00:47. > :00:49.experts, their representatives and au`ience nf rugbx experts, leg`l

:00:50. > :00:55.people whose names are synonymous au`ience nf rugbx experts, leg`l

:00:56. > :00:58.with Welsh rugby. We have Roger Lewis, Chief Executive of the WRU

:00:59. > :00:58.an` Lewis, Chief Executive of the WRU

:00:59. > :01:00.and a man w`o Lewis, Chief Executive of the WRU

:01:01. > :01:01.and a man who has overseen record Lewis, Chief Executive of the WRU

:01:02. > :01:02.annual turnover of more than ?60 anlual tupnover nf more t`an ?60

:01:03. > :01:05.million for the group. Gareth anlual tupnover nf more t`an ?60

:01:06. > :01:06.Daties, former Wales anlual tupnover nf more t`an ?60

:01:07. > :01:06.Davies, former Wales captain and anlual tupnover nf more t`an ?60

:01:07. > :01:08.Lions fly half, Chief Executive of anlual tupnover nf more t`an ?60

:01:09. > :01:12.the Newport Gwent Dragons. the Newpopt Gwent Dragons. All

:01:13. > :01:13.Greece, Rugby the Newpopt Gwent Dragons. All

:01:14. > :01:13.Greece, Rtgby coprespondent for Greece, Rugby correspondent for the

:01:14. > :01:15.Guardian and Observer Greece, Rugby correspondent for the

:01:16. > :01:16.Guardian and bsdrver who Greece, Rugby correspondent for the

:01:17. > :01:17.followed every twist Greece, Rugby correspondent for the

:01:18. > :01:19.fohlowed every twist and turn nf followed every twist and turn of

:01:20. > :01:22.this story. And Martyn Thomas, based in Wales but former chief executive

:01:23. > :01:30.this story. And Martyn Thomas, based and chairman of the RFU in England.

:01:31. > :01:32.A warm welcome to our panel. We will hear from the panel

:01:33. > :01:34.A warm welcome to our panel. but before we do that, let's remind

:01:35. > :01:36.A warm welcome to our panel. ourselves of why we are where we are

:01:37. > :01:37.oupselves of why we are w`ere ve are with a little bit of help from our

:01:38. > :01:38.oupselves of why we are w`ere ve are rugby correspondent, and

:01:39. > :01:41.rugby correcponddnt, and with Charles. --

:01:42. > :01:43.rugby correcponddnt, and with Charles. ,- with Charles.

:01:44. > :01:47.rugby correcponddnt, and with This week the squad for the Six

:01:48. > :01:49.This week t`e squad for t`e Six Nations was announced but how many

:01:50. > :01:52.Napions was announced btt how lany of the 15 lining up with the

:01:53. > :01:55.Napions was announced btt how lany in Wales next season?

:01:56. > :02:03.Napions was announced btt how lany with many of our stars out

:02:04. > :02:04.Napions was announced btt how lany Now the four professional regions in

:02:05. > :02:05.Now the foub prodession`l regions in Wales are threatening to take

:02:06. > :02:07.Wahec are t`reatenang to take flight. In a bitter

:02:08. > :02:08.Wahec are t`reatenang to take flig`t. Il a bitter row

:02:09. > :02:08.Wahec are t`reatenang to take flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:09. > :02:08.control flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:09. > :02:08.coltbol and flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:09. > :02:13.refused to do flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:14. > :02:14.no deal is reached by the flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:15. > :02:15.no deal is beached by the end flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:16. > :02:15.month, flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:16. > :02:15.molt`, they flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:16. > :02:17.month, they say they will jump ship. flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:18. > :02:20.It has been just over flight. In a bitter row over money,

:02:21. > :02:23.since Regional Rugby Wales created since eghonal Rtgby Wales created

:02:24. > :02:24.in the forming since eghonal Rtgby Wales created

:02:25. > :02:25.in t`e fopming od the since eghonal Rtgby Wales created

:02:26. > :02:29.in the forming of the Blues, Scarlets, Ospreys and Dragons. That

:02:30. > :02:33.in the forming of the Blues, period has resulted in huge

:02:34. > :02:35.period har besulted in huge subcess for the national side but

:02:36. > :02:38.period har besulted in huge subcess bag for the regions. The Ospreys

:02:39. > :02:42.bag for the regions. Thd Ospreys have won the domestic league four

:02:43. > :02:43.bag for the regions. Thd Ospreys times but on the biggest stage,

:02:44. > :02:44.tiiec but on the baggest stage, the Heineken Cup, the regions have

:02:45. > :02:48.Heineken Bu`, thd regions have failed to make thear mark. But

:02:49. > :02:49.Heineken Bu`, thd regions have failed to make their mark. But it's

:02:50. > :02:52.Heineken Bu`, thd regions have off the field where the regions have

:02:53. > :02:52.Heineken Bu`, thd regions have really stpuggled, An

:02:53. > :02:53.Heineken Bu`, thd regions have really struggled. In 2012, an

:02:54. > :02:54.really struggled, An 2012, an independent report said they had

:02:55. > :02:59.inde`endelt repopt said t`ey h`d been poorly managed. It also

:03:00. > :03:00.inde`endelt repopt said t`ey h`d been poorly manafed. It also called

:03:01. > :03:01.inde`endelt repopt said t`ey h`d for the WRU and the regions to work

:03:02. > :03:01.togedher for the WRU and the regions to work

:03:02. > :03:06.together to tackle the issues. The togedher to tackle the hssues. The

:03:07. > :03:08.regions tried to address togedher to tackle the hssues. The

:03:09. > :03:08.financial problems by introducing a togedher to tackle the hssues. The

:03:09. > :03:13.salary cap. togedher to tackle the hssues. The

:03:14. > :03:13.salaby cap. But players togedher to tackle the hssues. The

:03:14. > :03:14.salary cap. But players continued to sahaby cap. But players continted to

:03:15. > :03:15.leave Wales for clubs in England and sahaby cap. But players continted to

:03:16. > :03:20.France. Simmerinf sahaby cap. But players continted to

:03:21. > :03:21.France. Simmering tensions came to a France. Simmerinf tensions camd to a

:03:22. > :03:22.head last summer as European France. Simmerinf tensions camd to a

:03:23. > :03:25.rugby descended into chaos. France. Simmerinf tensions camd to a

:03:26. > :03:26.existing Eubopeal competition, the France. Simmerinf tensions camd to a

:03:27. > :03:28.Heineken, is in jeopardy, after Heineken, ic in heopardx, after

:03:29. > :03:30.English clubs pulled Heineken, ic in heopardx, after

:03:31. > :03:31.Englash clubs pulled out Heineken, ic in heopardx, after

:03:32. > :03:31.English clubs pulled out and came up wiph

:03:32. > :03:32.English clubs pulled out and came up with an alternative competition,

:03:33. > :03:35.English clubs pulled out and came up rugby champions cup. If British

:03:36. > :03:39.English clubs pulled out and came up Irish toupnament

:03:40. > :03:39.English clubs pulled out and came up Irish tournament with a promise of

:03:40. > :03:43.English clubs pulled out and came up more money and control. The regions

:03:44. > :03:45.wanted but the WRU are committed walted but dhe WPU are bommitted to

:03:46. > :03:49.the existing Heineken Cup. Any walted but dhe WPU are bommitted to

:03:50. > :03:50.attempt by the regions to break away from the union would have

:03:51. > :03:52.attempt by the regions to break away from the unaon would have serious

:03:53. > :03:54.consequenbec. We know that if one doesn't sign and

:03:55. > :03:56.consequenbec. agreement there isn't a region and

:03:57. > :04:01.that is the consequence of agreement there isn't a region and

:04:02. > :04:04.The deadline for sagninf agreement there isn't a region and

:04:05. > :04:09.resolution and the row has rumbled on.

:04:10. > :04:13.As regions we prepared points as As regionr ge prepared poants `s to

:04:14. > :04:13.what has worked and what hasn't. We submatted

:04:14. > :04:14.what has worked and what hasn't. We su`matted t`at

:04:15. > :04:15.what has worked and what hasn't. We submitted that to the union

:04:16. > :04:17.what has worked and what hasn't. We told it

:04:18. > :04:17.what has worked and what hasn't. We tohd it wasn't for discussion. That

:04:18. > :04:20.what has worked and what hasn't. We is unreasonable behaviour.

:04:21. > :04:22.I think the future is is unreasonable behaviour.

:04:23. > :04:22.I phink the future is uncertain, I think the future is uncertain,

:04:23. > :04:24.whatever the outcome. If we stay I think the future is uncertain,

:04:25. > :04:28.with the union, I fear that unless I think the future is uncertain,

:04:29. > :04:30.there is an improvement, I think the future is uncertain,

:04:31. > :04:31.will be the downfall and there will be an exoduc of layers.

:04:32. > :04:34.be an exodus of layers. It is about the family of rugby and

:04:35. > :04:36.It is about the damily nf rugbx and grouping of people together

:04:37. > :04:38.grou`ing nf people together for a reason. We will lose that if

:04:39. > :04:41.reason. Wd gill lose th`t if regional rugby dies on its feet.

:04:42. > :04:43.reason. Wd gill lose th`t if For some people, the dispute has now

:04:44. > :04:45.reason. Wd gill lose th`t if become critical. Welsh Rugby Union

:04:46. > :04:48.reason. Wd gill lose th`t if was at tipping pnint.

:04:49. > :04:48.reason. Wd gill lose th`t if was at tipping point. I

:04:49. > :04:49.reason. Wd gill lose th`t if was at tipping pnint. I t`ink ht

:04:50. > :04:50.reason. Wd gill lose th`t if probably the biggest crisis

:04:51. > :04:53.probably the bigfest crisas we have faced in professional rugby.

:04:54. > :04:56.probably the bigfest crisas we have The WRU have now offered the

:04:57. > :04:58.probably the bigfest crisas we have a new working contract and talks are

:04:59. > :04:59.ongoang. a new working contract and talks are

:05:00. > :05:01.ongoing. The stake wouldn't be a new working contract and talks are

:05:02. > :05:05.higher but time is running out. a new working contract and talks are

:05:06. > :05:07.The future of the game is in the bahance.

:05:08. > :05:09.The future of the game is in the balance. You get the idea.

:05:10. > :05:10.The future of the game is in the future is unclear as far as

:05:11. > :05:11.The future of the game is in the professional rugby

:05:12. > :05:11.The future of the game is in the professiolal rugby goes. ThOse

:05:12. > :05:11.The future of the game is in the professional rugby goes. Those talks

:05:12. > :05:15.professiolal rug`y goes. Those talks have been taking place since January

:05:16. > :05:15.hate been taking place rince J`nuary six.

:05:16. > :05:19.hate been taking place rince J`nuary The question is where are we with

:05:20. > :05:22.The auestion is vhere are we with those discussions and how far away

:05:23. > :05:23.The auestion is vhere are we with from agreement are we? Roger Lewis,

:05:24. > :05:25.The auestion is vhere are we with where does

:05:26. > :05:30.The auestion is vhere are we with We have met on four occasions. There

:05:31. > :05:41.We have mdt on four occasaons. There have been 31-on-1 -- 31-on-1

:05:42. > :05:42.We have mdt on four occasaons. There meetings. We met on Wednesday this

:05:43. > :05:44.meetings. We met on ednesday this week with both sides with our

:05:45. > :05:45.lawyers ald week with both sides with our

:05:46. > :05:49.lawyers and the regions week with both sides with our

:05:50. > :05:50.both sides. week with both sides with our

:05:51. > :05:54.boph sides. The pegions are week with both sides with our

:05:55. > :05:57.at the rugby meeting with Stuart week with both sides with our

:05:58. > :05:58.Gallacher and Gareth Jenkins. Our financial people met on Wednesday as

:05:59. > :06:01.wehl. financial people met on Wednesday as

:06:02. > :06:01.well. Documents have been exchanged an`

:06:02. > :06:04.well. Documents have been exchanged and we are now waiting

:06:05. > :06:04.well. Documents have been exchanged and ge are now waiting from

:06:05. > :06:05.well. Documents have been exchanged and we are now waiting from the

:06:06. > :06:11.regions ol our ppimary document regions on our primary document but

:06:12. > :06:11.we sent that on Friday. Further discessiols took

:06:12. > :06:12.we sent that on Friday. Further discussions took place yesterday. I

:06:13. > :06:17.we sent that on Friday. Further spoke to the chairman of Regional

:06:18. > :06:18.we sent that on Friday. Further Rugby Wales yesterday and we will be

:06:19. > :06:18.tahkang Rugby Wales yesterday and we will be

:06:19. > :06:20.talking further on Monday and Rugby Wales yesterday and we will be

:06:21. > :06:20.further information will be shared. Ara

:06:21. > :06:27.further information will be shared. Are you close? I'm encouraged not.

:06:28. > :06:31.further information will be shared. I think that a stand-up what

:06:32. > :06:33.further information will be shared. been going on. The meetings

:06:34. > :06:34.further information will be shared. been goinf on. The meetings have

:06:35. > :06:39.further information will be shared. been on the operational

:06:40. > :06:40.further information will be shared. -- operational issue. I think where

:06:41. > :06:46.-- o`erational issue. I t`ink vhere we have a problem currently is some

:06:47. > :06:47.-- o`erational issue. I t`ink vhere of the fundamental issues of the

:06:48. > :06:49.-- o`erational issue. I t`ink vhere agreement between the union and

:06:50. > :06:50.-- o`erational issue. I t`ink vhere the development of additional rugby

:06:51. > :06:52.in t`e the development of additional rugby

:06:53. > :06:56.in the sense that we don't know what the development of additional rugby

:06:57. > :06:58.competitions we are playing in. We have got supporters who don't

:06:59. > :06:58.competitions we are playing in. We hate got supporters who don't jnow

:06:59. > :07:00.competitions we are playing in. We what is happening. So agreement is

:07:01. > :07:07.nop" what is happening. So agreement is

:07:08. > :07:08.not" Mac ,- not close? Revenues

:07:09. > :07:08.not" Mac ,- not close? Retenues `re falling

:07:09. > :07:09.not" Mac ,- not close? Revenues are falling and that is

:07:10. > :07:11.not" Mac ,- not close? critical. The third element that

:07:12. > :07:17.critical. T`e thhrd element th`t have come under my reader radar

:07:18. > :07:19.have come under ly readdr radar and to correct your introduction, this

:07:20. > :07:20.to correct qour hntrodubtaon, this isn't a crisis about the

:07:21. > :07:21.isn'd a cricis a`out thd professional game,

:07:22. > :07:21.isn'd a cricis a`out thd professional gamd, this is a

:07:22. > :07:22.isn'd a cricis a`out thd professional game, this is a crisis

:07:23. > :07:22.isn'd a cricis a`out thd about the game

:07:23. > :07:23.isn'd a cricis a`out thd aboud the game il Wales.

:07:24. > :07:24.isn'd a cricis a`out thd about the game in Wales. We have

:07:25. > :07:26.about the game il Wales. We have had positive meetings with premiership

:07:27. > :07:26.clqbc positive meetings with premiership

:07:27. > :07:30.clubs and community clubs who are positive meetings with premiership

:07:31. > :07:33.experiencing exactly the same problems we are. Figures may be

:07:34. > :07:34.experiencing exactly the same different but the issues are

:07:35. > :07:41.experiencing exactly the same same. I think it is time

:07:42. > :07:42.experiencing exactly the same very reasonable. What is

:07:43. > :07:44.experiencing exactly the same understanding as to how bitter and

:07:45. > :07:48.deap understanding as to how bitter and

:07:49. > :07:48.deep these visions are? The divicions

:07:49. > :07:50.deep these visions are? The divisions are deep. You have seen

:07:51. > :07:56.deep these visions are? The that last year. We have deep policy

:07:57. > :07:59.that last year. Ve have deep pnlicy divides, rather than personality

:08:00. > :08:00.that last year. Ve have deep pnlicy divides. I would like to see much

:08:01. > :08:03.that last year. Ve have deep pnlicy more devolved power, setting up

:08:04. > :08:04.regional boards or regional unions, more devolved power, setting up

:08:05. > :08:06.like you having New Zealand, where like you hafing Lew ealand, where

:08:07. > :08:09.the region comes at like you hafing Lew ealand, where

:08:10. > :08:10.tha begiol comes at the top of the the region comes at the top of the

:08:11. > :08:10.pyramid, just the region comes at the top of the

:08:11. > :08:11.pypamid, juct as Wales vould the region comes at the top of the

:08:12. > :08:12.pyramid, just as Wales would be at the region comes at the top of the

:08:13. > :08:12.tha dop of the region comes at the top of the

:08:13. > :08:13.the top of the overall pyramid. What the region comes at the top of the

:08:14. > :08:13.is the the region comes at the top of the

:08:14. > :08:13.is t`e view the region comes at the top of the

:08:14. > :08:14.is the view from the region comes at the top of the

:08:15. > :08:15.is t`e view from England as the region comes at the top of the

:08:16. > :08:17.is the view from England as to what is going on in Wales?

:08:18. > :08:18.Tha is going on in Wales?

:08:19. > :08:20.The issue you got is going on in Wales?

:08:21. > :08:21.Tha issue you got an is going on in Wales?

:08:22. > :08:23.The issue you got in rugby is it is a wobldwide

:08:24. > :08:24.The issue you got in rugby is it is a worldwide sport and the power of

:08:25. > :08:28.The issue you got in rugby is it is the French with money is

:08:29. > :08:31.The issue you got in rugby is it is astronomical. So the French are to

:08:32. > :08:34.blame? When the game went rational, the English clubs had the money

:08:35. > :08:36.blame? When the game went rational, there were people coming in

:08:37. > :08:36.blame? When the game went rational, there were `eople cominf an who were

:08:37. > :08:37.there were people coming in who were of lamited value to the

:08:38. > :08:39.there were people coming in who were of limited value to the game. There

:08:40. > :08:41.was a belief that there was a of limited value to the game. There

:08:42. > :08:43.of gold at the end of the of gold at dhe eld of the rugbx

:08:44. > :08:45.rainbow. There is no crock of of gold at dhe eld of the rugbx

:08:46. > :08:50.There is merely pain and cost. In There is lebely paan and cost. In

:08:51. > :08:55.England it is easier to get sponsorship.

:08:56. > :08:56.sponcorshhp. People are trying

:08:57. > :08:56.sponcorshhp. People are dryinf to portray

:08:57. > :08:57.sponcorshhp. People are trying to portray this as

:08:58. > :08:59.a crisis in Welsh rugby. Let's a crasis in Welsh rugby. Let's look

:09:00. > :09:02.positively at what has taken posidively at wh`t has tacen place

:09:03. > :09:03.in Welsh rugby and let's look forward and

:09:04. > :09:03.in Welsh rugby and let's look fopward and reflect,

:09:04. > :09:04.in Welsh rugby and let's look forward and reflect, as we look

:09:05. > :09:07.forward, on what we have forward and reflect, as we look

:09:08. > :09:12.We have achieved three championship wins since 2006. We have one to

:09:13. > :09:19.grand slams. e wins since 2006. We have one to

:09:20. > :09:20.World Cup. Our own 20s have been in Wopld up, Our own 20s have been in

:09:21. > :09:21.the final of the world tha final of the world

:09:22. > :09:23.Championships... tha final of the world

:09:24. > :09:24.I'm going to stop tha final of the world

:09:25. > :09:25.I'i going to stop qou tha final of the world

:09:26. > :09:26.I'm going to stop you because it has I'm going to stop qou bdcause ht has

:09:27. > :09:31.all been documented. We know how I'm going to stop qou bdcause ht has

:09:32. > :09:33.well Wales have done over the past six or seven years. The Bathgate is

:09:34. > :09:37.a Scarlets supporter. What do the a Scarlets cuppopter. What do the

:09:38. > :09:41.supporters feel? I think there is supporters feel? I thinj there is a

:09:42. > :09:46.huge element of frustration. supporters feel? I thinj there is a

:09:47. > :09:47.is no control over the game below supporters feel? I thinj there is a

:09:48. > :09:48.inpebnational letel. There supporters feel? I thinj there is a

:09:49. > :09:53.international level. There seems to be no ambition to get vibrant

:09:54. > :09:58.international level. There seems to competition and the unions seems

:09:59. > :09:58.international level. There seems to satisfied that

:09:59. > :09:59.international level. There seems to saticfied t`at the

:10:00. > :10:01.international level. There seems to French are going to run ahead. We

:10:02. > :10:06.international level. There seems to will come onto the money in a

:10:07. > :10:06.moment. We have the chairman of the Welsh

:10:07. > :10:06.moment. We have the chairman of the Wehs` rug`y

:10:07. > :10:10.moment. We have the chairman of the Welsh rugby players Association.

:10:11. > :10:11.moment. We have the chairman of the If it --

:10:12. > :10:11.moment. We have the chairman of the If id -- hs

:10:12. > :10:11.moment. We have the chairman of the If it -- is there

:10:12. > :10:12.moment. We have the chairman of the If id -- hs there a danger

:10:13. > :10:12.If it -- is there a danger that this could

:10:13. > :10:13.If it -- is there a danger that this coqld have an

:10:14. > :10:13.If it -- is there a danger that this could have an effect on performances

:10:14. > :10:16.and perhaps put in jeopardy could have an effect on performances

:10:17. > :10:17.everything Roger Lewis has could have an effect on performances

:10:18. > :10:20.talking about? could have an effect on performances

:10:21. > :10:20.I would like to think could have an effect on performances

:10:21. > :10:21.I woeld like to thank it won't I would like to think it won't

:10:22. > :10:22.affect players performances because afdect players pdrformances because

:10:23. > :10:24.they are there to be a professional afdect players pdrformances because

:10:25. > :10:27.rugby player. There is rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:28. > :10:28.uncertainty of whether they are rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:29. > :10:28.going to be rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:29. > :10:29.going to `e playhng rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:30. > :10:29.going to be playing or whether they rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:30. > :10:32.will be in contract next year and in rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:33. > :10:35.what competitions against who rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:36. > :10:35.what compdtations againrt who and rugbq plaxeb. Thdre is that

:10:36. > :10:36.ara dhey going to be supportive are they going to be supportive

:10:37. > :10:38.thaib? are they going to be supportive

:10:39. > :10:39.their? I think that is going to are they going to be supportive

:10:40. > :10:42.influence players decisions on where indluence players decishons on where

:10:43. > :10:47.their future lies and if you are indluence players decishons on where

:10:48. > :10:47.offered a contract, whether it is in Wahec,

:10:48. > :10:48.offered a contract, whether it is in Wales, Enfland

:10:49. > :10:48.offered a contract, whether it is in Wales, England or France, where

:10:49. > :10:50.offered a contract, whether it is in that most certaintq

:10:51. > :10:53.offered a contract, whether it is in that most certainty for that day to

:10:54. > :10:53.keap a that most certainty for that day to

:10:54. > :10:55.keep a roof over his head? Talking keap a roof over has head? Talking

:10:56. > :11:01.of contracts, there are these six keap a roof over has head? Talking

:11:02. > :11:03.WRU central contracts. The Gelsh Regby Tnaon

:11:04. > :11:03.WRU central contracts. The Welsh Rugby Union would

:11:04. > :11:05.WRU central contracts. employ up to six top players this

:11:06. > :11:07.mornang. employ up to six top players this

:11:08. > :11:08.morning. Apparently employ up to six top players this

:11:09. > :11:08.mopning. @p`arently the employ up to six top players this

:11:09. > :11:09.morning. Apparently the Wales captain Sam Warbtrton

:11:10. > :11:09.morning. Apparently the Wales captain Sam Warburton is on the

:11:10. > :11:13.captain Sam Warbtrton is on thd verge of

:11:14. > :11:13.captain Sam Warbtrton is on thd contracting players a

:11:14. > :11:15.captain Sam Warbtrton is on thd contbacting playdrs a solution?

:11:16. > :11:20.I met with the chairman of the I met with the chairman of the

:11:21. > :11:21.players Association this week and Garedh

:11:22. > :11:22.players Association this week and Gareth Davies and I met on Thursday

:11:23. > :11:26.morning. That discussion was all Gareth Davies and I met on Thursday

:11:27. > :11:26.about how we bring back Gareth Davies and I met on Thursday

:11:27. > :11:26.aboud how we bring back to Gareth Davies and I met on Thursday

:11:27. > :11:27.about how we bring back to Wales top aboud how we brilg back to Wales top

:11:28. > :11:32.talent that is left. tahent th`t is left. Th`t's at the

:11:33. > :11:33.heart of the negotiation that we are tahent th`t is left. Th`t's at the

:11:34. > :11:35.undertaking with the regions at the tahent th`t is left. Th`t's at the

:11:36. > :11:43.moment. To pick up on... Is it extra tahent th`t is left. Th`t's at the

:11:44. > :11:45.money, Roger? The Welsh Rugby Union can identify

:11:46. > :11:48.money, Roger? extra money if we can reach

:11:49. > :11:50.money, Roger? agreement and at the heart of

:11:51. > :11:51.money, Roger? agreement is retaining our best

:11:52. > :11:53.money, Roger? talent in Wales, incentivise in

:11:54. > :11:56.money, Roger? regions to retain talent, rewarding

:11:57. > :12:00.money, Roger? those regions who develop and retain

:12:01. > :12:01.tahent those regions who develop and retain

:12:02. > :12:01.talent and gorking with t`ose talent and working with those

:12:02. > :12:02.regions who are tnable talent and working with those

:12:03. > :12:03.regions who are unable to do that to talent and working with those

:12:04. > :12:07.drop them sustain. talent and working with those

:12:08. > :12:11.Where is the extra money coming from?

:12:12. > :12:17.It is additional money if we can reach agreement

:12:18. > :12:17.It is additional money if we can reac` agreement hf

:12:18. > :12:18.It is additional money if we can reach agreement if we reach this

:12:19. > :12:18.It is additional money if we can agpeement, I can

:12:19. > :12:19.It is additional money if we can agreement, I can create further

:12:20. > :12:21.infantry dob agreement, I can create further

:12:22. > :12:23.infantry for Welsh rugby. agreement, I can create further

:12:24. > :12:24.infantry dob Welsh rugbx. Where agreement, I can create further

:12:25. > :12:25.infantry for Welsh rugby. Where is agreement, I can create further

:12:26. > :12:25.this extra money to potentially contbact

:12:26. > :12:25.this extra money to potentially coltbact six

:12:26. > :12:29.this extra money to potentially contract six players to come from?

:12:30. > :12:30.Tha contract six players to come from?

:12:31. > :12:33.The money comes from our relationship with our key partners,

:12:34. > :12:34.who dogetheb, relationship with our key partners,

:12:35. > :12:34.who together, over the relationship with our key partners,

:12:35. > :12:35.who together, ovdr the last relationship with our key partners,

:12:36. > :12:35.who together, over the last seven yearc,

:12:36. > :12:38.who together, over the last seven years, have

:12:39. > :12:39.who together, over the last seven years, hate genepated

:12:40. > :12:42.years, have generated 32% increase in revenues for the game.

:12:43. > :12:44.years, have generated 32% increase Since 2006, the regions have an

:12:45. > :12:45.years, have generated 32% increase increase of

:12:46. > :12:45.years, have generated 32% increase increase nf 102%

:12:46. > :12:50.years, have generated 32% increase increase of 102% in distribution.

:12:51. > :12:54.years, have generated 32% increase 102%. It

:12:55. > :12:58.years, have generated 32% increase laughter it was 16.8 million. The

:12:59. > :12:58.years, have generated 32% increase numbers in the game

:12:59. > :12:59.years, have generated 32% increase numbers il dhe game and

:13:00. > :13:00.numbers in the game and what we have achieved hn

:13:01. > :13:01.numbers in the game and what we have achieved in Wales

:13:02. > :13:02.numbers in the game and what we have achieved hn Wales are vdry

:13:03. > :13:03.numbers in the game and what we have impressive and that is why we were

:13:04. > :13:08.world. voted

:13:09. > :13:09.world. The regions signed a collective

:13:10. > :13:12.world. agreement not to play any players

:13:13. > :13:16.who were central contracted. Does that stand? I think the

:13:17. > :13:17.that stand? I thhnc the agreemdnt signed was that all the regions have

:13:18. > :13:20.that stand? I thhnc the agreemdnt to agree. That is not to say they

:13:21. > :13:20.won'd. won't.

:13:21. > :13:24.Do they agree at the moment? We won't.

:13:25. > :13:25.haven't discussed that fact won't.

:13:26. > :13:27.it isn't on won't.

:13:28. > :13:28.it icn't on the won't.

:13:29. > :13:28.it isn't on the table. The issue aboud

:13:29. > :13:30.it isn't on the table. The issue about central contracts, yes it's

:13:31. > :13:33.important we retain our best layers about central contracts, yes it's

:13:34. > :13:34.but I returned to my about central contracts, yes it's

:13:35. > :13:35.bup A returned to my earlaer about central contracts, yes it's

:13:36. > :13:39.but I returned to my earlier comment about central contracts, yes it's

:13:40. > :13:42.about the fundamental agreement has to be established. On the point of

:13:43. > :13:45.central contracts, if there is extra to be established. On the point of

:13:46. > :13:46.money to keep star players in Wales, to be established. On the point of

:13:47. > :13:48.are the regions going to be established. On the point of

:13:49. > :13:48.are the regaons goang to sit to be established. On the point of

:13:49. > :13:50.are the regions going to sit down? to be established. On the point of

:13:51. > :13:51.Will they sit down and discuss to be established. On the point of

:13:52. > :13:52.whet`er to to be established. On the point of

:13:53. > :13:55.whether to play these players? If we whether to `lay these plaqers? If we

:13:56. > :13:58.have a competition to be in because whether to `lay these plaqers? If we

:13:59. > :14:02.otherwise we are throwing money away. Proper competitions that can

:14:03. > :14:03.away. ropeb competitions that can at least give Welsh rugby the

:14:04. > :14:05.away. ropeb competitions that can opportunity of some kind of

:14:06. > :14:07.sustainabhlaty. opportunity of some kind of

:14:08. > :14:10.sustainability. We don't want to sustainabhlaty. Ve don't want to

:14:11. > :14:13.throw good money after bad because that would be foolish and we have to

:14:14. > :14:15.have other structures right. hate othep ctructures rig`t.

:14:16. > :14:26.Paul Thorburn is in the audience. X hate othep ctructures rig`t.

:14:27. > :14:30.Ospreys and the BYU. -- and WRU. If hate othep ctructures rig`t.

:14:31. > :14:30.you want to play for Wales, what aboud

:14:31. > :14:32.you want to play for Wales, what about Gatland's law, that you have

:14:33. > :14:34.you want to play for Wales, what to play in

:14:35. > :14:37.you want to play for Wales, what to play il Gales,

:14:38. > :14:39.to play in Wales. It isn't going to stop players

:14:40. > :14:40.It isn't foing to stop players necessarily leaving Wales. Even if

:14:41. > :14:42.It isn't foing to stop players they

:14:43. > :14:42.It isn't foing to stop players thay are told that

:14:43. > :14:43.It isn't foing to stop players they are told that they will

:14:44. > :14:46.thay are told th`t they wall nnt play for Wales if they lose?

:14:47. > :14:49.thay are told th`t they wall nnt If they are offered more

:14:50. > :14:52.If t`ey ape offeped more money in France, plus what

:14:53. > :14:53.If t`ey ape offeped more money in pick up for a match fee

:14:54. > :14:57.If t`ey ape offeped more money in in Wales, eferyole would look

:14:58. > :14:58.If t`ey ape offeped more money in for me isn't

:14:59. > :14:58.If t`ey ape offeped more money in fop me isn't about

:14:59. > :15:00.If t`ey ape offeped more money in for me isn't about long,term

:15:01. > :15:02.for me isn't about long-term contbacts, and

:15:03. > :15:02.for me isn't about long-term contracts, and Martin hit the nail

:15:03. > :15:05.for me isn't about long-term on the head, it is about controlling

:15:06. > :15:07.a competition stpucture on the head, it is about controlling

:15:08. > :15:08.a competition structure that is sustainable in the northern

:15:09. > :15:11.hemisphere and making sure that sustainable in the northern

:15:12. > :15:12.unions and teams that play in sustainable in the northern

:15:13. > :15:12.unions and deams that plaq in that unions and teams that play in that

:15:13. > :15:13.coipetition are unions and teams that play in that

:15:14. > :15:13.competition are operating unions and teams that play in that

:15:14. > :15:15.coipetition are nperating on unions and teams that play in that

:15:16. > :15:15.competition are operating on a siiilar

:15:16. > :15:16.competition are operating on a similar playing field in

:15:17. > :15:16.competition are operating on a similar plaqing field in terms of

:15:17. > :15:17.similar playing field in terms of sahaby

:15:18. > :15:19.similar playing field in terms of salaby caps.

:15:20. > :15:19.similar playing field in terms of salary caps. The French are running

:15:20. > :15:21.away like a train out salary caps. The French are running

:15:22. > :15:23.away like a trail out of control and salary caps. The French are running

:15:24. > :15:23.so long as they are involved in any coipetition our

:15:24. > :15:26.so long as they are involved in any competition our regions want to be

:15:27. > :15:28.coipetition our pegions want to be in as well, we will have this same

:15:29. > :15:29.coipetition our pegions want to be competition in five years time.

:15:30. > :15:32.coipetition our pegions want to be There is a proposal for

:15:33. > :15:33.There is ` `roposal for a British and Irish cup. Gareth

:15:34. > :15:37.There is ` `roposal for a British mentioned it. Why

:15:38. > :15:38.There is ` `roposal for a British meltioned it. Why won't

:15:39. > :15:38.There is ` `roposal for a British mentioned it. Why won't the

:15:39. > :15:39.meltaoned id. Whx won't t`e WRT allow the regions to play in

:15:40. > :15:40.meltaoned id. Whx won't t`e WRT allog the regions to play in this

:15:41. > :15:43.meltaoned id. Whx won't t`e WRT new tournament in England?

:15:44. > :15:45.meltaoned id. Whx won't t`e WRT The Welsh Rugby Union will only

:15:46. > :15:46.meltaoned id. Whx won't t`e WRT forward in tournaments that on the

:15:47. > :15:47.contractual agreements we have all coltractu`l agreements ve have all

:15:48. > :15:51.entered into. We will at coltractu`l agreements ve have all

:15:52. > :15:51.entered ilto. We wall at all coltractu`l agreements ve have all

:15:52. > :15:53.entered into. We will at all times entebed ilto. We wall at all times

:15:54. > :15:54.act lawfully and we will act under tha

:15:55. > :15:58.act lawfully and we will act under the aegis of the International Rugby

:15:59. > :15:59.act lawfully and we will act under Board. If you can square all of

:16:00. > :15:59.those thilgc, Board. If you can square all of

:16:00. > :16:00.those things, we will go forward Board. If you can square all of

:16:01. > :16:02.with the tournament. What Board. If you can square all of

:16:03. > :16:02.with the tournamdnt. What about Board. If you can square all of

:16:03. > :16:05.with the tournament. What about your contbact

:16:06. > :16:12.with the tournament. What about your We met on Friday and all six nations

:16:13. > :16:13.with the tournament. What about your meet on Tuesday with all of those

:16:14. > :16:16.with the tournament. What about your elements on the table and the key

:16:17. > :16:22.thing is, everyone has to be in agreement,

:16:23. > :16:23.thing is, everyone has to be in agreement. You sent a letter to

:16:24. > :16:23.meiber agreement. You sent a letter to

:16:24. > :16:25.member clubs asking them to agreement. You sent a letter to

:16:26. > :16:25.encoerage regions agreement. You sent a letter to

:16:26. > :16:29.encourage regions to grow their agreement. You sent a letter to

:16:30. > :16:32.businesses by improving their structures, which sounds like create

:16:33. > :16:34.more money, generate more money. The annual report says

:16:35. > :16:34.more money, generate more money. The annual repobt saxs it

:16:35. > :16:36.more money, generate more money. The annual report says it is one of the

:16:37. > :16:37.more money, generate more money. The priorities, the

:16:38. > :16:38.more money, generate more money. The priobities, the pegions should

:16:39. > :16:39.priorities, the regions should achieve their commercial potential.

:16:40. > :16:41.Thay say achieve their commercial potential.

:16:42. > :16:41.They say they have ?1 million each expra

:16:42. > :16:44.They say they have ?1 million each extra on the table

:16:45. > :16:46.They say they have ?1 million each deal. They are taking -- they are

:16:47. > :16:46.inpo deal. They are taking -- they are

:16:47. > :16:48.into macro boxes, aren't they? deal. They are taking -- they are

:16:49. > :16:50.devil is in the detail and devil is hn the detail `nd Gareth

:16:51. > :16:52.can explain what t`ose cal explahn what t`ose bompetitions

:16:53. > :16:54.are and who is taking part in them cal explahn what t`ose bompetitions

:16:55. > :16:55.because at the cal explahn what t`ose bompetitions

:16:56. > :16:56.becaese at dhe moment we cal explahn what t`ose bompetitions

:16:57. > :16:58.because at the moment we hear the Irish do not wish to take part

:16:59. > :16:59.Irish do lod wish to taje part in it, the French

:17:00. > :16:59.Irish do lod wish to taje part in it( dhe French dn not wis`

:17:00. > :16:59.Irish do lod wish to taje part in it, the French do not wish to take

:17:00. > :17:01.it( dhe Fpench dn not wis` to take part in it, the Italians do not wish

:17:02. > :17:03.it( dhe Fpench dn not wis` to take to take part in it, the Scottish

:17:04. > :17:09.it( dhe Fpench dn not wis` to take hedging their bets and at the moment

:17:10. > :17:10.it( dhe Fpench dn not wis` to take it's an English club led initiative

:17:11. > :17:10.whic` it's an English club led initiative

:17:11. > :17:11.which the it's an English club led initiative

:17:12. > :17:12.indicated they could it's an English club led initiative

:17:13. > :17:12.in`icated t`ey could be it's an English club led initiative

:17:13. > :17:13.indicated they could be interesting. it's an English club led initiative

:17:14. > :17:16.Will you move on it? Is it's an English club led initiative

:17:17. > :17:17.danger of you moving, or is it's an English club led initiative

:17:18. > :17:18.dalger of you moting, or is it a it's an English club led initiative

:17:19. > :17:19.firm no? We will only move if we are it's an English club led initiative

:17:20. > :17:22.acting lawfully and we are it's an English club led initiative

:17:23. > :17:23.acping lawfelly `nd we are acting acting lawfully and we are acting

:17:24. > :17:23.un`eb acting lawfully and we are acting

:17:24. > :17:24.under the acting lawfully and we are acting

:17:25. > :17:24.undeb the rules and acting lawfully and we are acting

:17:25. > :17:26.under the rules and regulations of the International Rugby Board. I

:17:27. > :17:28.under the rules and regulations of don't think it is Roger's decision

:17:29. > :17:33.under the rules and regulations of to move. He could ratify at? I think

:17:34. > :17:33.Roger is to move. He could ratify at? I think

:17:34. > :17:35.Rogeb is hn to move. He could ratify at? I think

:17:36. > :17:36.Roger is in a difficult situation, or the union. The International

:17:37. > :17:40.Rugbq or the union. The International

:17:41. > :17:42.Rugby Board your board require all unions if you are playing

:17:43. > :17:43.Rugby Board your board require all and an addition

:17:44. > :17:44.Rugby Board your board require all and in addition wherever the game

:17:45. > :17:44.Rugby Board your board require all and an addition vherever the game is

:17:45. > :17:46.Rugby Board your board require all being played the union that controls

:17:47. > :17:46.that grould being played the union that controls

:17:47. > :17:47.that ground has to being played the union that controls

:17:48. > :17:48.that grould has to consdnt. Thd being played the union that controls

:17:49. > :17:48.that ground has to consent. The IRB that grould has to consdnt. Thd IRB

:17:49. > :17:52.have made it clear they will not that grould has to consdnt. Thd IRB

:17:53. > :17:53.count -- that grould has to consdnt. Thd IRB

:17:54. > :17:54.cound -- bountenance a bross-border count -- countenance a cross-border

:17:55. > :17:56.competition. It would cut across count -- countenance a cross-border

:17:57. > :17:57.their belief and in fairness thaib belief and in fairness to the

:17:58. > :18:00.IRB they put together the thaib belief and in fairness to the

:18:01. > :18:01.IR@ they pud togdther the IRC thaib belief and in fairness to the

:18:02. > :18:01.IRB they put together the IRC so you thaib belief and in fairness to the

:18:02. > :18:05.will find it difficult to get IRB thaib belief and in fairness to the

:18:06. > :18:06.consent. The WRU can make a decision as to whether they

:18:07. > :18:07.consent. The WRU can make a decision as to whether thdy consent. I

:18:08. > :18:08.as to whether they consent. I cannot sea

:18:09. > :18:09.as to whether they consent. I cannot see the RFU consenting. Definitely

:18:10. > :18:15.as to whether they consent. I cannot not? In the RFU there is an

:18:16. > :18:17.as to whether they consent. I cannot agreement that does not expire until

:18:18. > :18:18.as to whether they consent. I cannot 2016 where dhe

:18:19. > :18:19.as to whether they consent. I cannot 2016 where the English clubs are

:18:20. > :18:20.as to whether they consent. I cannot required to play in Europe or the

:18:21. > :18:21.as to whether they consent. I cannot European competition until the end

:18:22. > :18:22.of t`at European competition until the end

:18:23. > :18:23.of that season and the European competition until the end

:18:24. > :18:23.of t`at seacon ald the RFU havd European competition until the end

:18:24. > :18:25.of that season and the RFU have been sihent about it

:18:26. > :18:25.of that season and the RFU have been silent about it but I find that

:18:26. > :18:28.sihent abnud it `ut find that agreement with the clubs. On why I

:18:29. > :18:29.find that agreement with the clubs. agreement with the clubs. On why I

:18:30. > :18:32.On why argue so intent on this? It On w`y argue so hntent nn this> It

:18:33. > :18:34.gives us a On w`y argue so hntent nn this> It

:18:35. > :18:35.competition. The alternative is competition. he altern`tave is

:18:36. > :18:38.probably an extended Pro12 competition. he altern`tave is

:18:39. > :18:39.probably an extelded Pro12 with competition. he altern`tave is

:18:40. > :18:39.probably an extended Pro12 with six competition. he altern`tave is

:18:40. > :18:39.teams competition. he altern`tave is

:18:40. > :18:40.teamc from competition. he altern`tave is

:18:41. > :18:42.teams from France plus a Romanian competition. he altern`tave is

:18:43. > :18:46.team of the Portuguese team, or whatever. I can't see these tills

:18:47. > :18:52.team of the Portuguese team, or ringing in regional clubs, lining

:18:53. > :18:53.team of the Portuguese team, or to see thdm playhng

:18:54. > :18:54.team of the Portuguese team, or to see them playing for

:18:55. > :18:57.team of the Portuguese team, or time in a season or whatever. It

:18:58. > :18:59.team of the Portuguese team, or not a meaningful competition. We

:19:00. > :19:01.team of the Portuguese team, or have a lot of

:19:02. > :19:01.team of the Portuguese team, or hate a lot of grassroots people

:19:02. > :19:02.team of the Portuguese team, or have a lot of grassroots people in

:19:03. > :19:02.team of the Portuguese team, or the audience.

:19:03. > :19:02.team of the Portuguese team, or the audielce. Di

:19:03. > :19:03.team of the Portuguese team, or the audience. Di Davis from Newtown

:19:04. > :19:07.team of the Portuguese team, or is with us. It is a long way to come

:19:08. > :19:09.down to Cardiff. What is your take is with us. It is a long way to come

:19:10. > :19:11.on this? It's a community game is with us. It is a long way to come

:19:12. > :19:13.have to be worrying about. We are is with us. It is a long way to come

:19:14. > :19:17.lucky in North Wales we have is with us. It is a long way to come

:19:18. > :19:19.development region, we have a successful regional team currently

:19:20. > :19:22.promoted from division one, successful regional team currently

:19:23. > :19:25.in the championship now, below that we are very flourishing club scene

:19:26. > :19:26.an` we are very flourishing club scene

:19:27. > :19:27.and the North Wales team is made up we are very flourishing club scene

:19:28. > :19:31.of North Wales plaqers. That's is in we are very flourishing club scene

:19:32. > :19:35.itself sending a message to a lot of we are very flourishing club scene

:19:36. > :19:38.you so gentlemen, please get this issue resolved not just at regional

:19:39. > :19:38.WRQ issue resolved not just at regional

:19:39. > :19:39.WRU level but below there issue resolved not just at regional

:19:40. > :19:40.WRQ level but below there the issue resolved not just at regional

:19:41. > :19:41.community game otherwise issue resolved not just at regional

:19:42. > :19:41.commenity game otherwisd we will issue resolved not just at regional

:19:42. > :19:41.community game otherwise we will be hiptang

:19:42. > :19:43.community game otherwise we will be hitting problems. Paul, you have

:19:44. > :19:44.community game otherwise we will be covered these

:19:45. > :19:47.community game otherwise we will be cotebed thece political

:19:48. > :19:47.community game otherwise we will be covered these political stories

:19:48. > :19:51.community game otherwise we will be behind-the-scenes for years and

:19:52. > :19:52.years now. The way it is going, is there an inevitability,

:19:53. > :19:53.years now. The way it is going, is thare an hnevita`ility, no matter

:19:54. > :19:57.there an inevitability, no matter what people might say today, that at

:19:58. > :19:57.some point clubs, regions, whatever yoq

:19:58. > :19:58.some point clubs, regions, whatever you want to call them, will start to

:19:59. > :20:01.some point clubs, regions, whatever control their own destiny

:20:02. > :20:01.some point clubs, regions, whatever coltrol thear owl destiny and

:20:02. > :20:02.some point clubs, regions, whatever control their own destiny and they

:20:03. > :20:03.coltbol thear owl destiny and they will be ndgotiating their

:20:04. > :20:06.coltbol thear owl destiny and they will be negotiating their own TV

:20:07. > :20:08.coltbol thear owl destiny and they deals? Martyn -- Martyn mentioned

:20:09. > :20:09.cross-border tournament is needing deals? Martyn -- Martyn mentioned

:20:10. > :20:11.to be authorised, what they deals? Martyn -- Martyn mentioned

:20:12. > :20:13.said was tnequivncally deals? Martyn -- Martyn mentioned

:20:14. > :20:14.said was unequivocally they want a pan-Europdan

:20:15. > :20:14.said was unequivocally they want a pal-European six

:20:15. > :20:15.said was unequivocally they want a pan-European six Nations

:20:16. > :20:17.said was unequivocally they want a next season, not this Five Nations

:20:18. > :20:23.said was unequivocally they want a you were a chief executive of

:20:24. > :20:25.said was unequivocally they want a region I cannot believe you

:20:26. > :20:26.said was unequivocally they want a prepared to sign up for something

:20:27. > :20:29.said was unequivocally they want a which has no rugby value and has

:20:30. > :20:32.liptle commercial value. APPLAUSE

:20:33. > :20:38.. That is why we are meeting on APPLAUSE

:20:39. > :20:40.Tuesday to resolve this and it has Tuesday to besolte this and it has

:20:41. > :20:44.been written even by ourselves and been written evel by ourselves and

:20:45. > :20:48.with respect you have not been to any of those meetings to discuss the

:20:49. > :20:48.competition format and I'd encourage yoq

:20:49. > :20:50.competition format and I'd encourage you as a bogeyman to join us. The

:20:51. > :20:50.onhy you as a bogeyman to join us. The

:20:51. > :20:53.only way we will resolve this is onhy way ve will resolvd this hs

:20:54. > :20:55.working together -- as a onhy way ve will resolvd this hs

:20:56. > :20:56.wopkang together -- as a rugby onhy way ve will resolvd this hs

:20:57. > :20:59.working together -- as a rugby man onhy way ve will resolvd this hs

:21:00. > :20:59.to join us. There is a crisis across tha

:21:00. > :20:59.to join us. There is a crisis across the game

:21:00. > :21:01.to join us. There is a crisis across tha game in Europe and

:21:02. > :21:01.to join us. There is a crisis across the game in Europe and we need to

:21:02. > :21:02.address our issuds the game in Europe and we need to

:21:03. > :21:02.address our issues together the game in Europe and we need to

:21:03. > :21:06.address our issuds together in WalEs address our issuds together in Wales

:21:07. > :21:06.and move forward together. I'd be dehighted

:21:07. > :21:08.and move forward together. I'd be delighted to attend but from

:21:09. > :21:11.and move forward together. I'd be hear from recent meetings

:21:12. > :21:12.and move forward together. I'd be of competitions, basically there

:21:13. > :21:14.and move forward together. I'd be a stone wall. We are not moving

:21:15. > :21:16.a stone wall. We are not movinf anywhere. I am encouraged if you

:21:17. > :21:16.a stone wall. We are not movinf anywhere. I am elcouragdd if you are

:21:17. > :21:18.anywhere. I am elcouragdd if ynu are saying on Tuesday there will be a

:21:19. > :21:20.anywhere. I am elcouragdd if ynu are meaningful discussion to try

:21:21. > :21:22.anywhere. I am elcouragdd if ynu are determine what is best for European

:21:23. > :21:23.anywhere. I am elcouragdd if ynu are rugby and how it applies to Wales

:21:24. > :21:29.rugbq and how it applies to Wales because it is quite scary when Paul

:21:30. > :21:30.mentioned the TV deal that fans have done, just to get it into

:21:31. > :21:33.pers`ectite, 350 done, just to get it into

:21:34. > :21:34.perspective, 350 million euros done, just to get it into

:21:35. > :21:34.pers`ectite, 350 million euros over peps`ectite, 350 mallion euros over

:21:35. > :21:36.the next five years and the peps`ectite, 350 mallion euros over

:21:37. > :21:41.going into French rugby is peps`ectite, 350 mallion euros over

:21:42. > :21:42.equivalent to the total peps`ectite, 350 mallion euros over

:21:43. > :21:42.eqqifalent do thd total revenuds of equivalent to the total revenues of

:21:43. > :21:44.the Irish, equivalent to the total revenues of

:21:45. > :21:45.the Arish, Welsh and equivalent to the total revenues of

:21:46. > :21:46.unions. If you look at their unions. Id you looc at their

:21:47. > :21:49.commercial income. That coimercial ancomd. That is not a

:21:50. > :21:50.criticism of coimercial ancomd. That is not a

:21:51. > :21:50.critacism of any of the coimercial ancomd. That is not a

:21:51. > :21:50.criticism of any of the unions, it coimercial ancomd. That is not a

:21:51. > :21:52.is jest facds, ald coimercial ancomd. That is not a

:21:53. > :21:53.is just facts, and this train is just facds, ald this train has

:21:54. > :21:53.started running and there is just facds, ald this train has

:21:54. > :21:56.started running `nd there is nn is just facds, ald this train has

:21:57. > :21:58.stopping the train so we can either try and get our own train up and

:21:59. > :22:01.stopping the train so we can either running so we have, that is a

:22:02. > :22:03.rulnang sn ge hate, that as a commercial reality we will

:22:04. > :22:04.rulnang sn ge hate, that as a to those levels but

:22:05. > :22:07.rulnang sn ge hate, that as a we have got? We heard

:22:08. > :22:10.rulnang sn ge hate, that as a we have gnt? We heard George

:22:11. > :22:13.rulnang sn ge hate, that as a one of the great Welsh players,

:22:14. > :22:13.rulnang sn ge hate, that as a Wahec to

:22:14. > :22:14.rulnang sn ge hate, that as a Wales to play meaningful

:22:15. > :22:16.coipetitionc. APPLAUSE

:22:17. > :22:18.We wall APPLAUSE

:22:19. > :22:18.We will all watch with interest this meatang

:22:19. > :22:19.We will all watch with interest this meeting on Tuesday and I might come

:22:20. > :22:21.back to that with qou, meeting on Tuesday and I might come

:22:22. > :22:22.back to that with you, Roger. You meeting on Tuesday and I might come

:22:23. > :22:24.have said, Gareth, if ynu meeting on Tuesday and I might come

:22:25. > :22:24.have said, Gareth, if you don't get meeting on Tuesday and I might come

:22:25. > :22:27.your way on this Champions Cup, meeting on Tuesday and I might come

:22:28. > :22:28.your way nn this C`ampions Cup, the yoqr way nn this C`ampions Cup, the

:22:29. > :22:30.British and Irish cup, whatever it is called, the statement you

:22:31. > :22:31.reheased is called, the statement you

:22:32. > :22:33.released that you would pursue other is called, the statement you

:22:34. > :22:34.competition options is called, the statement you

:22:35. > :22:34.other is called, the statement you

:22:35. > :22:35.otheb words, you is called, the statement you

:22:36. > :22:36.other words, you don't get other words, you don't fet this

:22:37. > :22:40.alternative cup, you look elsewhere, other words, you don't fet this

:22:41. > :22:41.that is an Anglo-Welsh league, joining the Premiership in England?

:22:42. > :22:42.that is an Anglo-Welsh league, It could well

:22:43. > :22:48.that is an Anglo-Welsh league, It could vell be,

:22:49. > :22:49.that is an Anglo-Welsh league, It could well be. Was that

:22:50. > :22:50.that is an Anglo-Welsh league, It could vell be, Was that A

:22:51. > :22:51.that is an Anglo-Welsh league, one from the regions has said on the

:22:52. > :22:54.that is an Anglo-Welsh league, record in public, yes, the

:22:55. > :22:55.Anglo-Welsh league as an record in public, yes, the

:22:56. > :22:56.Anglo- elsh leagte as an option. record in public, yes, the

:22:57. > :22:58.has been alluded to, no one has said record in public, yes, the

:22:59. > :23:00.definitively this is what we definitivdlq this as wh`t we h`ve as

:23:01. > :23:03.an option on the table. I am definitivdlq this as wh`t we h`ve as

:23:04. > :23:05.you back to December 31, when we definitivdlq this as wh`t we h`ve as

:23:06. > :23:06.were faced definitivdlq this as wh`t we h`ve as

:23:07. > :23:06.wepe faced gith definitivdlq this as wh`t we h`ve as

:23:07. > :23:09.were faced with not signing the PA, definitivdlq this as wh`t we h`ve as

:23:10. > :23:13.we did not exist. That was the we dad not exist, That vas the

:23:14. > :23:14.threat looming. It was a huge decicion.

:23:15. > :23:17.threat looming. It was a huge decision. Across the four regions

:23:18. > :23:17.thare decision. Across the four regions

:23:18. > :23:17.there are decision. Across the four regions

:23:18. > :23:17.thare are a`proximately decision. Across the four regions

:23:18. > :23:20.there are approximately 40 directors, a mixture of business

:23:21. > :23:21.people, entrepreneurs, great rugby people, eltbepreleurs, freat rugby

:23:22. > :23:24.guys like Gareth Edwards, David people, eltbepreleurs, freat rugby

:23:25. > :23:26.Watkins, Roger Blyth. That decision Watkins, Poger Blyth. That decision

:23:27. > :23:27.not to sign Watkins, Poger Blyth. That decision

:23:28. > :23:28.not do sign a Watkins, Poger Blyth. That decision

:23:29. > :23:35.not to sign a PA was not taken lightly. There were 40

:23:36. > :23:37.lighdly. There were 40 people unanimously not going for it so

:23:38. > :23:38.lighdly. There were 40 people we had to look at what are the

:23:39. > :23:43.lighdly. There were 40 people options so the first option which

:23:44. > :23:45.oppions sn dhe first option whhch is on January the 31st, would be

:23:46. > :23:45.oppions sn dhe first option whhch is European

:23:46. > :23:47.oppions sn dhe first option whhch is Eupo`ean cup. It

:23:48. > :23:48.oppions sn dhe first option whhch is European cup. It will be if it

:23:49. > :23:50.happens with an extra ?1 million a European cup. It will be if it

:23:51. > :23:50.year coming European cup. It will be if it

:23:51. > :23:52.year comilg from t`e regions European cup. It will be if it

:23:53. > :23:57.are not harming Ireland Scotland. European cup. It will be if it

:23:58. > :23:59.stand because Roger will not agree, European cup. It will be if it

:24:00. > :24:02.England will not agree, the IRB will England will not agree, t`e IRB will

:24:03. > :24:05.not agree. If it doesn't happen, is a place for the four regions in the

:24:06. > :24:09.Aviva Premiership, whatever sponsor a place for the four regions in the

:24:10. > :24:09.it might be, is that an option? It coqld

:24:10. > :24:13.it might be, is that an option? It could be an option. It is an option.

:24:14. > :24:16.Would you like to comment on that? I could be an option. It is an option.

:24:17. > :24:18.do not see a future for t`e could be an option. It is an option.

:24:19. > :24:18.do not see a future for the regions could be an option. It is an option.

:24:19. > :24:18.in the English could be an option. It is an option.

:24:19. > :24:20.in the Englash Ppemiership. I could be an option. It is an option.

:24:21. > :24:22.there are a number of things that could be an option. It is an option.

:24:23. > :24:24.militate against it. The RFU rules could be an option. It is an option.

:24:25. > :24:24.provide could be an option. It is an option.

:24:25. > :24:26.provade it can could be an option. It is an option.

:24:27. > :24:27.provide it can only be a 12 team Premiership. It requires promotion

:24:28. > :24:29.and relegation Premiership. It requires promotion

:24:30. > :24:29.and belegation from Premiership. It requires promotion

:24:30. > :24:30.and relegation from the endless Premiership. It requires promotion

:24:31. > :24:36.championship and for the Premiership Premiership. It requires promotion

:24:37. > :24:38.to turn round, to say to the second tier in England, well we are dumping

:24:39. > :24:39.you guys nog, you tier in England, well we are dumping

:24:40. > :24:41.you guys now, you will not get promoted, look at the way Londnn

:24:42. > :24:43.Welsh were treated, that was promoted, look at the way Londnn

:24:44. > :24:43.Welsh were dreated, that was a promoted, look at the way Londnn

:24:44. > :24:44.disgrace and actually I promoted, look at the way Londnn

:24:45. > :24:44.disgbace and actually I don't disgbace `nd actually I don't think

:24:45. > :24:46.we should allow another organisation disgbace `nd actually I don't think

:24:47. > :24:50.across the Severn Bridge to damage acpocs thd Ceverl Bridgd to dalage

:24:51. > :24:53.what exists there. We have acpocs thd Ceverl Bridgd to dalage

:24:54. > :24:55.English fans here, welcome, you must acpocs thd Ceverl Bridgd to dalage

:24:56. > :24:57.be wondering what on earth you have acpocs thd Ceverl Bridgd to dalage

:24:58. > :24:59.let yourselves in for! Bath fans, a acpocs thd Ceverl Bridgd to dalage

:25:00. > :25:02.straight question, would you straight puestiol, would qou rather

:25:03. > :25:04.face Welsh sides in a competition, straight puestiol, would qou rather

:25:05. > :25:04.or Bristol? straight puestiol, would qou rather

:25:05. > :25:04.or Bbistol? That straight puestiol, would qou rather

:25:05. > :25:09.or Bristol? That might be the quid straight puestiol, would qou rather

:25:10. > :25:14.pro quo. The point Martin made about the idea of having the

:25:15. > :25:15.pro quo. The point Martin made about and an expanded impish Premiership,

:25:16. > :25:16.pro quo. The point Martin made about the qui question

:25:17. > :25:17.pro quo. The point Martin made about the aui quection is would it be ring

:25:18. > :25:19.the qui question is would it be ring fenced and if it wasn't

:25:20. > :25:20.the qui question is would it be ring and there was promotion and

:25:21. > :25:22.rehegatiol, and there was promotion and

:25:23. > :25:22.relegation, promotion from and there was promotion and

:25:23. > :25:23.relegatiol, promotion from Just the and there was promotion and

:25:24. > :25:23.English Championship and there was promotion and

:25:24. > :25:27.Englash Championship and if and there was promotion and

:25:28. > :25:29.team finished bottom, where would they be relegated to? In principle,

:25:30. > :25:31.team finished bottom, where would I can't ask you to speak for all

:25:32. > :25:37.England rugby fans but I can't ask you to speak for all

:25:38. > :25:39.fans want Welsh sides in an expanded Premiership? From an English

:25:40. > :25:40.fans want Welsh sides in an expanded perspective it is nice to play the

:25:41. > :25:45.Welsh teams but how often do perspective it is nice to play the

:25:46. > :25:49.organisation? Irish perspective it is nice to play the

:25:50. > :25:51.audience, I will not mention perspective it is nice to play the

:25:52. > :25:51.Sorensen is yesterday. Don't worry, perspective it is nice to play the

:25:52. > :25:56.that would be very cruel. -- that would be vepy cruel. --

:25:57. > :25:59.Saracens. If you look at that would be vepy cruel. --

:26:00. > :26:00.Munster, Munster, if you that would be vepy cruel. --

:26:01. > :26:01.Munsder, Lunster, if you do you that would be vepy cruel. --

:26:02. > :26:01.Munster, Munster, if you do you feel Mulsder, Lunster, af you do you feel

:26:02. > :26:04.you are being abandoned? You have Mulsder, Lunster, af you do you feel

:26:05. > :26:07.arguably been the most consistent at arguably `een thd most bonsistent at

:26:08. > :26:11.club or regional level and you could be left out in the cold? I would

:26:12. > :26:12.club or regional level and you could feel we are being abandoned but I

:26:13. > :26:15.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I also think

:26:16. > :26:15.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I also thinj from the

:26:16. > :26:16.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I also think from the Welsh point of

:26:17. > :26:16.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I view it would

:26:17. > :26:17.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I viaw it would be dangerous

:26:18. > :26:17.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I view it would be dangerous for

:26:18. > :26:20.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I to go into an Enflash league.

:26:21. > :26:21.feal we ape beinf abandnned but I to go into an English league. In

:26:22. > :26:23.to go into an Enflash league. Hn what way? For the reasons that have

:26:24. > :26:25.what way? For thd reasons that have been stated from

:26:26. > :26:26.what way? For thd reasons that have bean stated from t`e

:26:27. > :26:26.what way? For thd reasons that have been stated from the member from

:26:27. > :26:28.what way? For thd reasons that have Bath. I can't see the English

:26:29. > :26:30.what way? For thd reasons that have going to allow a lead way you are

:26:31. > :26:30.not going to allow a lead way you are

:26:31. > :26:31.nop going going to allow a lead way you are

:26:32. > :26:32.not going to be relegated and if you going to allow a lead way you are

:26:33. > :26:34.get relegated, where are going to allow a lead way you are

:26:35. > :26:35.You are not going to get going to allow a lead way you are

:26:36. > :26:35.You are not goinf to get the going to allow a lead way you are

:26:36. > :26:35.You are not going to get the same going to allow a lead way you are

:26:36. > :26:39.money if you are paying in going to allow a lead way you are

:26:40. > :26:40.moleq if yoe are paying in a seconD going to allow a lead way you are

:26:41. > :26:41.competition and also the English going to allow a lead way you are

:26:42. > :26:42.clubs are going to have more money going to allow a lead way you are

:26:43. > :26:45.than Welsh regions. That is going to allow a lead way you are

:26:46. > :26:47.going to be the case. The team seems going to `e the base. The team seems

:26:48. > :26:49.to be who should control the club going to `e the base. The team seems

:26:50. > :26:51.game, the unions going to `e the base. The team seems

:26:52. > :26:53.clubs of the going to `e the base. The team seems

:26:54. > :26:53.clubc of the reghons who drIve going to `e the base. The team seems

:26:54. > :26:54.clubs of the regions who drive it, going to `e the base. The team seems

:26:55. > :26:57.we have mentioned there was the we have mdndioned there was thd

:26:58. > :26:57.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that came

:26:58. > :26:58.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that caie out

:26:59. > :27:00.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that came out a couple of years ago, very

:27:01. > :27:01.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that critical of the way the regions had

:27:02. > :27:06.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that run. Mark Davis, Gareth was not at

:27:07. > :27:07.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that the Dragons when

:27:08. > :27:08.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that the Dragols when it happens,

:27:09. > :27:09.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that the Dragons when it happens, Mark,

:27:10. > :27:09.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that you gere BEO

:27:10. > :27:10.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that you were CEO of the

:27:11. > :27:12.Price Waterhouse Coopers report that report was commissioned. When it

:27:13. > :27:13.repobt war commissaoned. When ht came out as

:27:14. > :27:13.repobt war commissaoned. When ht caie out as well.

:27:14. > :27:14.repobt war commissaoned. When ht came out as well. You could argue

:27:15. > :27:14.repobt war commissaoned. When ht the regions have

:27:15. > :27:15.repobt war commissaoned. When ht the begiols have had

:27:16. > :27:18.repobt war commissaoned. When ht the regions have had their chance to

:27:19. > :27:20.make their success. They haven't done it. Why should

:27:21. > :27:20.make their success. They haven't done it. Vhq should you get

:27:21. > :27:20.make their success. They haven't done it. Why should you get the

:27:21. > :27:25.chance now to drive your revenues done it. Why should you get the

:27:26. > :27:26.and do commercial deals? If you take what the Price Waterhouse

:27:27. > :27:27.and do commercial deals? If you take what the Prace W`terhouse Coopers

:27:28. > :27:28.and do commercial deals? If you take report actually said, Gareth,

:27:29. > :27:30.repobt actually raad, Gareth, ht said that the regions have made

:27:31. > :27:30.mistakes in said that the regions have made

:27:31. > :27:35.mistakes hn the mistakes in the past. It was awful

:27:36. > :27:35.due diligence exercise on every piace

:27:36. > :27:36.due diligence exercise on every piece of financial information from

:27:37. > :27:39.every single region piece of financial information from

:27:40. > :27:40.everq sinfle region over piece of financial information from

:27:41. > :27:42.every single region over a full period of years ,- it

:27:43. > :27:43.every single region over a full period of years -- it was a

:27:44. > :27:44.every single region over a full period of years ,- it was a fall due

:27:45. > :27:45.every single region over a full diligence exercise. It said the

:27:46. > :27:48.every single region over a full regions had taken action to improve

:27:49. > :27:50.regions h`d takel action to improve their management teams, the

:27:51. > :27:51.regions h`d takel action to improve management teams were clearly

:27:52. > :27:51.focuced management teams were clearly

:27:52. > :27:52.focused on commercial activity and management teams were clearly

:27:53. > :27:54.this is gning management teams were clearly

:27:55. > :27:56.this is going back to 2011 financial management teams were clearly

:27:57. > :27:59.year and had clearly improved the cost base of the businesses thdy

:28:00. > :28:02.were operating. You are in an were operatang. Xou are in an

:28:03. > :28:04.effective position to negotiate were operatang. Xou are in an

:28:05. > :28:06.these TV deals and commercial were operatang. Xou are in an

:28:07. > :28:08.contacts yourself? The reality is were operatang. Xou are in an

:28:09. > :28:09.have the regions made mistakes in hate the pegions made mhstakes in

:28:10. > :28:12.the past? Yes, of hate the pegions made mhstakes in

:28:13. > :28:12.the `ast? Yes, od course, hate the pegions made mhstakes in

:28:13. > :28:15.the past? Yes, of course, but do you hate the pegions made mhstakes in

:28:16. > :28:16.know a business that hasn't, practically speaking? It costs you

:28:17. > :28:18.money. Who did it cost practically speaking? It costs you

:28:19. > :28:19.moleq. Whn did it cost loney? The money. Whn did it cost loney? The

:28:20. > :28:21.people in the regions. money. Whn did it cost loney? The

:28:22. > :28:21.people in t`e regions. It money. Whn did it cost loney? The

:28:22. > :28:24.people in the regions. It did not money. Whn did it cost loney? The

:28:25. > :28:25.cost anybody else money. They have changed their management

:28:26. > :28:26.cost anybody else money. They have and are in

:28:27. > :28:26.cost anybody else money. They have an` are il a

:28:27. > :28:27.cost anybody else money. They have and are in a different

:28:28. > :28:27.cost anybody else money. They have today

:28:28. > :28:27.cost anybody else money. They have todaq but

:28:28. > :28:29.cost anybody else money. They have today but at the end of the day they

:28:30. > :28:30.cost anybody else money. They have are independently funded businesses

:28:31. > :28:32.cost anybody else money. They have that need to be in charge of their

:28:33. > :28:32.own that need to be in charge of their

:28:33. > :28:33.owl destily. own destiny.

:28:34. > :28:35.APPLAU E own destiny.

:28:36. > :28:35.Are own destiny.

:28:36. > :28:38.Ara qou absolutely own destiny.

:28:39. > :28:41.Are you absolutely principle against own destiny.

:28:42. > :28:42.the regions being able to negotiate their own TV deals? The

:28:43. > :28:45.the regions being able to negotiate of the game has to follow the

:28:46. > :28:46.the regions being able to negotiate governance of the rugby and if we

:28:47. > :28:48.braac governance of the rugby and if we

:28:49. > :28:50.break away, as has been suggested, and it is only a t`ree-year

:28:51. > :28:50.break away, as has been suggested, and it is only a three-year term

:28:51. > :28:52.an` it is only a t`ree-year term that is on offer from the English

:28:53. > :28:54.that is ol offer from the English clubs to the Welsh clubs, only three

:28:55. > :28:57.years, three years, there after who clubs to the Welsh clubs, only three

:28:58. > :29:00.knows what, is not a way clubs to the Welsh clubs, only three

:29:01. > :29:02.long stem -- long-term stability. clubs to the Welsh clubs, only three

:29:03. > :29:06.The waiter creates Tha gaitep creates sustainability is

:29:07. > :29:07.to work collectively together with tha

:29:08. > :29:09.to work collectively together with the governance of the game and

:29:10. > :29:10.to work collectively together with finances running hand-in-hand. I

:29:11. > :29:14.filances punning hand-in-`and. I think that is no. David

:29:15. > :29:15.filances punning hand-in-`and. I chief executive of the Welsh Rugby

:29:16. > :29:18.filances punning hand-in-`and. I Union when the went regional 2003,

:29:19. > :29:21.filances punning hand-in-`and. I he has been busy, only back in

:29:22. > :29:22.filances punning hand-in-`and. I coqndry a few daxs but

:29:23. > :29:22.filances punning hand-in-`and. I country a few days but a letter

:29:23. > :29:23.coundry a few daxs but ` letter has gone out

:29:24. > :29:23.coundry a few daxs but ` letter has gole out drom

:29:24. > :29:26.coundry a few daxs but ` letter has Union in which

:29:27. > :29:29.coundry a few daxs but ` letter has the current impasse in ten days

:29:30. > :29:31.tha currelt imparse in ten dayr which

:29:32. > :29:31.tha currelt imparse in ten dayr whic` is puate

:29:32. > :29:31.tha currelt imparse in ten dayr which is quite a

:29:32. > :29:32.tha currelt imparse in ten dayr whic` is puate a claim

:29:33. > :29:35.tha currelt imparse in ten dayr which is quite a claim given that we

:29:36. > :29:36.have been at it for two years now. This would be your third bite of the

:29:37. > :29:39.This would be your third bite nf the cherry at it. You have been union

:29:40. > :29:40.charby at id. You `ave been unhon chief executive, regional chief

:29:41. > :29:41.charby at id. You `ave been unhon executive, what makes you think

:29:42. > :29:42.charby at id. You `ave been unhon can step in

:29:43. > :29:42.charby at id. You `ave been unhon cal step hn and

:29:43. > :29:45.charby at id. You `ave been unhon can step in and solve it whether

:29:46. > :29:46.cal ctep hn and rolve it whethdr -- where others have failed and

:29:47. > :29:47.cal ctep hn and rolve it whethdr -- where otherc have failed and in a

:29:48. > :29:49.where others have failed and in a way you leaning up your own mess

:29:50. > :29:52.where others have failed and in a from ten years ago. Is it a mess? Is

:29:53. > :29:56.where others have failed and in a it a mess? Roger went through at the

:29:57. > :29:57.it a mess> Boger went through `t the beginning of party political

:29:58. > :30:05.broadcast wall stop -- broadcart. broadcast will stop -- broadcast. It

:30:06. > :30:07.is not just behind the scenes. I is not jurt behild the rcenes. I

:30:08. > :30:10.want to make the is not jurt behild the rcenes. I

:30:11. > :30:14.regional road became in, regional poad became in, which I

:30:15. > :30:14.bought in, Wales has experienced more success

:30:15. > :30:15.bought in, Wales has experienced mope success thal

:30:16. > :30:15.bought in, Wales has experienced more success than ever in its

:30:16. > :30:16.history bot` more success than ever in its

:30:17. > :30:17.history both on and off the field. history bnt` on `nd off t`e field.

:30:18. > :30:18.When I got to history bnt` on `nd off t`e field.

:30:19. > :30:18.Whan I got do Wales history bnt` on `nd off t`e field.

:30:19. > :30:18.When I got to Wales there history bnt` on `nd off t`e field.

:30:19. > :30:21.Whan I got do Wales there was a deBt history bnt` on `nd off t`e field.

:30:22. > :30:28.of ?75 million. When I left, ?45 of ?'5 millaon. Vhen I left, ?45

:30:29. > :30:29.million. In that time for whatever reason the WRU has sought to pay

:30:30. > :30:31.million. In that time for whatever down that debt faster than

:30:32. > :30:34.million. In that time for whatever needed to and there was absolutely

:30:35. > :30:35.million. In that time for whatever no reason to do that. The

:30:36. > :30:39.million. In that time for whatever relationship between regions and...

:30:40. > :30:43.It is not working. We have a meeting relationship between regions and...

:30:44. > :30:44.on Tuesday. They knew it was coming relationship between regions and...

:30:45. > :30:48.to macro years ago. What has relationship between regions and...

:30:49. > :30:48.happened in the intervening two yearc?

:30:49. > :30:54.happened in the intervening two years? Nothing. In 2011, the regions

:30:55. > :30:59.happened in the intervening two hit the rocks. The Welsh Rugby

:31:00. > :31:02.happened in the intervening two suggested that we commission PWC.

:31:03. > :31:05.suggested t`at we commissaon PWC. They paid for the report. In 2011,

:31:06. > :31:10.Thay paid for thd report. In 2011, we began it. Throughout

:31:11. > :31:12.Thay paid for thd report. In 2011, meetings took place

:31:13. > :31:16.Thay paid for thd report. In 2011, Rugby Union and

:31:17. > :31:17.Thay paid for thd report. In 2011, at a range of models. In June 2012,

:31:18. > :31:19.Thay paid for thd report. In 2011, the English clubs decided to pull

:31:20. > :31:23.away from Europe. In the English clubs decided to pull

:31:24. > :31:24.away from Eerope. An August, the the English clubs decided to pull

:31:25. > :31:25.Wehs` Rug`y Union suggested the English clubs decided to pull

:31:26. > :31:25.Welsh Rugby Union suggested a way forward

:31:26. > :31:26.Welsh Rugby Union suggested a way fopward wit` the regions and

:31:27. > :31:27.Welsh Rugby Union suggested a way forward with the regions and that

:31:28. > :31:31.fopward wit` the regionr and that and take place. Then there was a

:31:32. > :31:33.an` take place. Then thdre was a hiatus and we picked it up once

:31:34. > :31:34.hiates and ge picked it up once more. Further suggestions were put

:31:35. > :31:38.forward and discussions took case. forward ald discussions took case.

:31:39. > :31:41.On July the 1st of last year, forward ald discussions took case.

:31:42. > :31:46.regions could have told us that they didn't wish to sign the PA. The WRU

:31:47. > :31:47.regions could have told us that they did not set a deadline of

:31:48. > :31:47.regions could have told us that they the ?1st.

:31:48. > :31:50.regions could have told us that they the 31st. That was a date agreed by

:31:51. > :31:54.the ?1st. T`at was a date agreed by both parties in 2009 and we

:31:55. > :31:55.the ?1st. T`at was a date agreed by suggested that December the 31st was

:31:56. > :31:57.too late but the regions wanted too late `ud the regionr wanted that

:31:58. > :32:00.date so we `onouped it. too late `ud the regionr wanted that

:32:01. > :32:01.date so we honoured it. The too late `ud the regionr wanted that

:32:02. > :32:06.signed up to a too late `ud the regionr wanted that

:32:07. > :32:06.and dhe olly people who too late `ud the regionr wanted that

:32:07. > :32:09.and the only people who could break that where the regaons.

:32:10. > :32:13.that where the regions. Roger. I want to

:32:14. > :32:14.that where the regions. Rogeb. I want to come b`cc to David

:32:15. > :32:15.that where the regions. as well. Juct halg

:32:16. > :32:16.that where the regions. as well. Just hang on a second.

:32:17. > :32:20.that where the regions. your previous guise, when you were

:32:21. > :32:23.Chief Executive of the regions, you your previous guise, when you were

:32:24. > :32:25.hardly used the language of peace your previous guise, when you were

:32:26. > :32:27.and conciliation. What makes you your previous guise, when you were

:32:28. > :32:31.think you will come in and solve it?

:32:32. > :32:34.In actual fact, we have got an agreement with the union

:32:35. > :32:34.In actual fact, we have got an starded ten

:32:35. > :32:37.In actual fact, we have got an started ten years. Let me go back

:32:38. > :32:39.starded ten years. Let le go b`ck to this PWC report.

:32:40. > :32:43.this P C pe`ort. I just want to... David, David...

:32:44. > :32:44.this P C pe`ort. I huct want to... David, David... I

:32:45. > :32:46.this P C pe`ort. just want to stick to the point. I

:32:47. > :32:50.this P C pe`ort. want to come back to the point

:32:51. > :32:51.this P C pe`ort. view... I'm not going to let

:32:52. > :32:53.this P C pe`ort. talk over the top of me. I'm going

:32:54. > :32:55.to talk about the point of you talk over the top of me. I'm going

:32:56. > :32:56.coming back from New Zealand. You coiing babk from New Zealand. You

:32:57. > :33:00.say you can solve it. say qou can solvd at. Why you?

:33:01. > :33:02.Because I got more knowledge say qou can solvd at. Why you?

:33:03. > :33:03.just about everybody in this say qou can solvd at. Why you?

:33:04. > :33:04.just about everybody in t`is room say qou can solvd at. Why you?

:33:05. > :33:04.just about everybody in this room on inpebnational

:33:05. > :33:07.just about everybody in this room on international rugby.

:33:08. > :33:08.inpebnational rufbq. More knowledge than a former Wales

:33:09. > :33:11.inpebnational rufbq. and Lions fly half? I've got more

:33:12. > :33:11.adiinistratave and Lions fly half? I've got more

:33:12. > :33:14.administrative klowledge and Lions fly half? I've got more

:33:15. > :33:16.He is a good friend of mine. and Lions fly half? I've got more

:33:17. > :33:21.know what I do have more on edge -- and Lions fly half? I've got more

:33:22. > :33:22.more knowledge about? Central contbactilg.

:33:23. > :33:25.more knowledge about? Central contracting. Guess

:33:26. > :33:27.coltbactilg. uess what, at New Zealand Rugby union, we brought it

:33:28. > :33:30.Zealand Rtgby unhon, we brought it in and you cannot have a central

:33:31. > :33:31.Zealand Rtgby unhon, we brought it contracting half baked with only six

:33:32. > :33:36.players. It will not work. We contracting half baked with only six

:33:37. > :33:39.have time to run through the outs.

:33:40. > :33:43.You are now canvassing outs.

:33:44. > :33:45.need to clubs to back you outs.

:33:46. > :33:45.need to clubs to back ynu to stand outs.

:33:46. > :33:46.for the board. Have outs.

:33:47. > :33:46.fop dhe bnabd. Have you got for the board. Have you got them

:33:47. > :33:49.yep? Yes. for the board. Have you got them

:33:50. > :33:50.yet? Yes. I have got one for the board. Have you got them

:33:51. > :33:56.next to me, for a start. That is not for the board. Have you got them

:33:57. > :33:57.the problem. I have for the board. Have you got them

:33:58. > :34:02.letter to the clubs, that I lepter to t`e clubs, th`t I thnught

:34:03. > :34:05.strongly about, that I have lepter to t`e clubs, th`t I thnught

:34:06. > :34:06.stpongly `bout, that I have come strongly `bout, that I have come

:34:07. > :34:08.back from my country to the weather we have here because I am passionate

:34:09. > :34:11.back from my country to the weather about Welsh rugby. If you want

:34:12. > :34:12.back from my country to the weather central contracts, you

:34:13. > :34:12.back from my country to the weather central condracts, you have to have

:34:13. > :34:13.back from my country to the weather everybody on

:34:14. > :34:16.back from my country to the weather everqbody on them or

:34:17. > :34:16.back from my country to the weather everybody on them or nobody. Or

:34:17. > :34:17.back from my country to the weather there is nne other alternative-use

:34:18. > :34:20.there is one other alternative-use it down and work out a joint control

:34:21. > :34:24.it down ald work out a joant control of the players. That is not

:34:25. > :34:26.it down ald work out a joant control happening and it will never happen.

:34:27. > :34:27.it down ald work out a joant control I think I can achieve that because

:34:28. > :34:30.of my knowledge of the whole system of my knowledge nf the vhole sxstem

:34:31. > :34:31.and that is the way I work. of my knowledge nf the vhole sxstem

:34:32. > :34:31.an` that is the waq I work. You and dhat hs the vaq worc. You have

:34:32. > :34:38.made your point. Is and dhat hs the vaq worc. You have

:34:39. > :34:38.leadership problem here? Ara

:34:39. > :34:39.leadership problem here? Are you happy with the way that you

:34:40. > :34:42.leadership problem here? have led the negotiations?

:34:43. > :34:43.leadership problem here? We have behaved in the best

:34:44. > :34:46.leadership problem here? interests of all of Welsh

:34:47. > :34:47.leadership problem here? Union and that is what I said

:34:48. > :34:47.leadership problem here? Union and t`at is what I said at

:34:48. > :34:48.leadership problem here? Union and that is what I said at the

:34:49. > :34:48.leadership problem here? start.

:34:49. > :34:53.leadership problem here? stard. We can

:34:54. > :34:53.leadership problem here? with the has created. If you look to

:34:54. > :34:55.with the hac created. If qou look to the 320 member clubs and

:34:56. > :34:55.with the hac created. If qou look to the ?20 mdmber clubs and schools

:34:56. > :34:55.with the hac created. If qou look to the 320 member clubs and schools the

:34:56. > :34:57.divisions, look the 320 member clubs and schools the

:34:58. > :34:57.ditisions, look `t Welsh the 320 member clubs and schools the

:34:58. > :34:59.divisions, look at Welsh rugby. What the 320 member clubs and schools the

:35:00. > :35:02.we have done has been great. We are the 320 member clubs and schools the

:35:03. > :35:03.the only European country which has the 320 member clubs and schools the

:35:04. > :35:08.this uncertainty that is tearing the 320 member clubs and schools the

:35:09. > :35:09.itself apart. Can the regions say thay

:35:10. > :35:10.itself apart. Can the regions say they have conducted themselves well

:35:11. > :35:12.itself apart. Can the regions say and let their cause well?

:35:13. > :35:14.itself apart. Can the regions say I suppose the answer to that is no

:35:15. > :35:17.itself apart. Can the regions say because we are having this debate

:35:18. > :35:17.itself apart. Can the regions say and I think

:35:18. > :35:17.itself apart. Can the regions say an` A thilk that

:35:18. > :35:18.itself apart. Can the regions say and I think that reflects where

:35:19. > :35:23.itself apart. Can the regions say all are, as regions and the WRU. We

:35:24. > :35:23.itself apart. Can the regions say are having

:35:24. > :35:24.itself apart. Can the regions say are `aving a

:35:25. > :35:24.itself apart. Can the regions say are having a public debate about

:35:25. > :35:24.ara havinf a public deb`te about the crisis

:35:25. > :35:24.ara havinf a public deb`te about the crisas withan

:35:25. > :35:26.ara havinf a public deb`te about the crisis within the game and I think

:35:27. > :35:26.it ic crisis within the game and I think

:35:27. > :35:32.it is more than an issue it ic more dhan `n issud between

:35:33. > :35:32.Regional Rugby Wales and the WRU. Leadership do

:35:33. > :35:35.Regional Rugby Wales and the WRU. Leadership to me is not only how

:35:36. > :35:38.Regional Rugby Wales and the WRU. many people follow you but how many

:35:39. > :35:41.people read. There are leadership many people follow you but how many

:35:42. > :35:41.rolec in many people follow you but how many

:35:42. > :35:42.roles in many many people follow you but how many

:35:43. > :35:42.rolec in many sort of areas many people follow you but how many

:35:43. > :35:45.roles in many sort of areas within many people follow you but how many

:35:46. > :35:48.the game, which I think reflects what PWC are saying.

:35:49. > :35:48.the game, which I think reflects what PWC `re saying. Thd

:35:49. > :35:48.the game, which I think reflects what PWC are saying. The only

:35:49. > :35:53.sohudion to what PWC are saying. The only

:35:54. > :35:56.collaboration and that has to be what PWC are saying. The only

:35:57. > :36:00.collaboration, not the master, servant relationship.

:36:01. > :36:02.collaboration, not the master, When it comes down to it, there is a

:36:03. > :36:07.deadline the regions set to the end When it comes down to it, there is a

:36:08. > :36:07.of January for the answer or you wihl

:36:08. > :36:07.of January for the answer or you will pursue these of

:36:08. > :36:08.of January for the answer or you wihl pursue thesd of accommodation

:36:09. > :36:10.will pursue these of accommodation oppions.

:36:11. > :36:12.will pursue these of accommodation options. On the first or 2nd of

:36:13. > :36:14.will pursue these of accommodation February, will you walk? Are you

:36:15. > :36:16.will pursue these of accommodation if there is no agreement? The sun

:36:17. > :36:19.if there hs no afreement? The run will still rise and life will still

:36:20. > :36:22.go on. It is important to set will still rise and life will still

:36:23. > :36:27.deadlines and that is why it will still rise and life will still

:36:28. > :36:29.been done, to focus minds. We have to concentrate on getting

:36:30. > :36:32.sponsorship, getting season tickets to concentrate on getting

:36:33. > :36:36.at... So it is an option? We have to at... o ht is al option? We h`ve to

:36:37. > :36:42.do something. We are we are responsible as businesses. I

:36:43. > :36:43.think that is the difference with think that as thd difference with

:36:44. > :36:46.the Heineken disputes in 1998 and think that as thd difference with

:36:47. > :36:49.2006. It was France and the think that as thd difference with

:36:50. > :36:49.2006. It wac Fralce and t`e FF think that as thd difference with

:36:50. > :36:54.who gave notice before. This time think that as thd difference with

:36:55. > :36:55.they haven't gone into the thay havel'd gond anto the

:36:56. > :36:56.conference chamber naked. colference chambdr naked. English

:36:57. > :36:57.clubs have a colference chambdr naked. English

:36:58. > :36:59.clubc have a BT colference chambdr naked. English

:37:00. > :37:00.clubs have a BT deal and the Welsh colference chambdr naked. English

:37:01. > :37:01.regions are tied with English colference chambdr naked. English

:37:02. > :37:04.clubs. It gives them a stronger colference chambdr naked. English

:37:05. > :37:06.negotiating deal. The rich negotiatilg deal, The ric` clubs

:37:07. > :37:09.don't want an Anglo-Welsh league negotiatilg deal, The ric` clubs

:37:10. > :37:11.it is a fallback position and it is negotiatilg deal, The ric` clubs

:37:12. > :37:11.better than negotiatilg deal, The ric` clubs

:37:12. > :37:12.bepter than what negotiatilg deal, The ric` clubs

:37:13. > :37:16.better than what is on the table. This could end up in the

:37:17. > :37:17.better than what is on the table. This could end up an thd courts. WE

:37:18. > :37:17.This could end up in the courts. We ara boined by

:37:18. > :37:17.This could end up in the courts. We are joined by a

:37:18. > :37:18.This could end up in the courts. We ara boined by a renior

:37:19. > :37:18.This could end up in the courts. We are joined by a senior member of a

:37:19. > :37:21.law firm. He has previously are joined by a senior member of a

:37:22. > :37:23.represented punter Paul in a case are joined by a senior member of a

:37:24. > :37:25.against the Welsh Rugby Union. are joined by a senior member of a

:37:26. > :37:32.Pontypool. If there was a breakaway Poltypool, Af thdre was a breajaway

:37:33. > :37:33.and the regions went to court, how easy is thad

:37:34. > :37:35.and the regions went to court, how easy is that to win?

:37:36. > :37:37.and the regions went to court, how indeed. It is all down to public

:37:38. > :37:42.indeed. It as all down to public policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:43. > :37:44.could go eidher waq. policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:45. > :37:44.It could `e expensive policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:45. > :37:47.It could be expensive and messy. policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:48. > :37:48.If anyone is to break policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:49. > :37:49.If anyone ic to break avaq policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:50. > :37:49.If anyone is to break away from policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:50. > :37:52.these agreements, they have to policy. Judges like discretion. It

:37:53. > :37:52.with an incredible sense of confadence

:37:53. > :37:53.with an incredible sense of confidence that they are

:37:54. > :37:53.with an incredible sense of lawfully and

:37:54. > :37:53.with an incredible sense of lawfelly and in

:37:54. > :37:54.with an incredible sense of lawfully and in the best interest of

:37:55. > :37:57.rugby. lawfully and in the best interest of

:37:58. > :37:58.In terms of knowing that the lawfully and in the best interest of

:37:59. > :38:01.between the region and lawfully and in the best interest of

:38:02. > :38:05.expiring on December 31, and expibing nn December 31, and ynu

:38:06. > :38:06.have signed the Celtic have signdd the Beltic `re for

:38:07. > :38:10.another three or four years. How can another three or four ydars. How can

:38:11. > :38:18.you signed that, not knowing another three or four ydars. How can

:38:19. > :38:18.on board? The regions

:38:19. > :38:19.on board? Tha begions where

:38:20. > :38:19.on board? The regions where a director

:38:20. > :38:20.on board? Tha begions where a director of the

:38:21. > :38:23.The begiols where a director of the company when these discussions were

:38:24. > :38:24.The begiols where a director of the taking place. They were a director

:38:25. > :38:25.The begiols where a director of the of the European cup, as were the

:38:26. > :38:34.rugby union. All of us behaved in a of the European cup, as were the

:38:35. > :38:36.going to continue. All of us behaved of the European cup, as were the

:38:37. > :38:37.in that manner. Rogeb,

:38:38. > :38:37.in that manner. Roger, we

:38:38. > :38:38.in that manner. Rogeb, we abe talkang

:38:39. > :38:38.in that manner. Roger, we are talking about the

:38:39. > :38:41.in that manner. deadlines at the end of t`e month.

:38:42. > :38:42.deadlines at the end of the month. If the regions consider other

:38:43. > :38:42.oppions If the regions consider other

:38:43. > :38:48.options and go, are these new If the regions consider other

:38:49. > :38:51.still being talked about with Mac -- about?

:38:52. > :38:52.still being talked about with Mac -- The union has never talked

:38:53. > :38:52.still being talked about with Mac -- settang up

:38:53. > :38:55.still being talked about with Mac -- setting up new regions. You have

:38:56. > :38:57.still being talked about with Mac -- settang up new regaons. You have not

:38:58. > :38:57.still being talked about with Mac -- specified which teams will enter the

:38:58. > :39:00.competition? competition?

:39:01. > :39:00.I have not competition?

:39:01. > :39:00.I hafe not had competition?

:39:01. > :39:01.I have not had any private coipetitionc

:39:02. > :39:04.I have not had any private competitions about setting up new

:39:05. > :39:04.I have not had any private regions. The clip qou showed

:39:05. > :39:05.I have not had any private regions. The clip you showed at the

:39:06. > :39:09.top of the programme, you regions. The clip you showed at the

:39:10. > :39:11.it. The first part of that clips that I am committed to making the

:39:12. > :39:13.foqr four regions work.

:39:14. > :39:15.Is an option at your disposal to set four regions work.

:39:16. > :39:20.up new teams? Let's treat this four regions work.

:39:21. > :39:23.the seriousness with deserves. This is Welsh rugby. This is

:39:24. > :39:23.the seriousness with deserves. This is Welsh pugby. Thas is everything

:39:24. > :39:24.the seriousness with deserves. This we have built up

:39:25. > :39:24.the seriousness with deserves. This we have btilt up in

:39:25. > :39:27.the seriousness with deserves. This we have built up in the last 133

:39:28. > :39:34.the seriousness with deserves. This Is it an option? This is the answer,

:39:35. > :39:34.we will continue to work until we gep dhe

:39:35. > :39:35.we will continue to work until we get the right solution that is in

:39:36. > :39:37.the best inderest of get the right solution that is in

:39:38. > :39:38.the best interest of Welsh rugby. We the best hnderest of Wels` rugby. We

:39:39. > :39:40.are not going to play media games on the best hnderest of Wels` rugby. We

:39:41. > :39:41.deadlines because the WRU the best hnderest of Wels` rugby. We

:39:42. > :39:42.deadlines becausd the WRU did the best hnderest of Wels` rugby. We

:39:43. > :39:42.deadlines because the WRU did not the best hnderest of Wels` rugby. We

:39:43. > :39:44.set a deadline of December the best hnderest of Wels` rugby. We

:39:45. > :39:44.sep a deadlane od December 31 the best hnderest of Wels` rugby. We

:39:45. > :39:47.set a deadline of December 31 and the WRU will not set a deadline of

:39:48. > :39:47.set a deadline of December 31 and January

:39:48. > :39:49.set a deadline of December 31 and Jaluary 31.

:39:50. > :39:51.set a deadline of December 31 and January 31. We will continue to work

:39:52. > :39:51.set a deadline of December 31 and for what

:39:52. > :39:51.set a deadline of December 31 and for ghat is

:39:52. > :39:51.set a deadline of December 31 and for what is best

:39:52. > :39:52.set a deadline of December 31 and for ghat is best for

:39:53. > :39:54.set a deadline of December 31 and for what is best for the game in

:39:55. > :39:57.set a deadline of December 31 and I am still not clear that it is an

:39:58. > :39:58.I am still not clear th`t it is an option, if these guys walk, you have

:39:59. > :40:02.oppion, id dhese guys walc, you have a right to set up a new and

:40:03. > :40:08.oppion, id dhese guys walc, you have The question is whether these guys

:40:09. > :40:11.will walk got -- these guys will walk?

:40:12. > :40:17.I will continue to work... I will coltanue to work... Likd a

:40:18. > :40:22.politician! It is a I will coltanue to work... Likd a

:40:23. > :40:24.question! It is not about getting stuck in a

:40:25. > :40:26.question! corner. The real question is where

:40:27. > :40:27.question! will the

:40:28. > :40:28.question! wihl the pegions

:40:29. > :40:31.question! will the regions go?

:40:32. > :40:33.question! They have said this is an option so

:40:34. > :40:34.question! if they do, is it an option for

:40:35. > :40:35.yoq? if they do, is it an option for

:40:36. > :40:38.you? Yes or no? if they do, is it an option for

:40:39. > :40:39.With respect, if they do, is it an option for

:40:40. > :40:39.With respecd, wh`t if they do, is it an option for

:40:40. > :40:40.With respect, what is the option? if they do, is it an option for

:40:41. > :40:43.Where are they going to. They if they do, is it an option for

:40:44. > :40:43.Where are t`ey going to. They have a Where are they going to. They have a

:40:44. > :40:44.popential Where are they going to. They have a

:40:45. > :40:46.potential of a champions cup, Where are they going to. They have a

:40:47. > :40:50.perhaps the option of an pephaps the option of an Anglo-Welsh

:40:51. > :40:51.league. If they do that, do you have tha right

:40:52. > :40:52.league. If they do that, do you have the right to set up new teams?

:40:53. > :40:52.league. If they do that, do you have tha right to set up new teams? The

:40:53. > :40:53.the right to set up new teams? The Rugbq Football

:40:54. > :40:56.the right to set up new teams? The Rugby Football Union will not allow

:40:57. > :40:56.tha Rugby Football Union will not allow

:40:57. > :40:58.the Welsh regionr Rugby Football Union will not allow

:40:59. > :41:01.the Welsh regions to join the Aviva premiership.

:41:02. > :41:01.Thay premiership.

:41:02. > :41:03.They have a permit structure. They premiership.

:41:04. > :41:06.have told us. You are wasting time premiership.

:41:07. > :41:09.talking about something that is not premiership.

:41:10. > :41:11.going to ha`pen. Very quickly, chairman of

:41:12. > :41:16.Crosckeys, Very quickly, chairman of

:41:17. > :41:16.Crosskeys. We are talking about the regions walcing

:41:17. > :41:17.Crosskeys. We are talking about the regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:18. > :41:17.poind, where regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:18. > :41:18.point, where would regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:19. > :41:19.poind, where would they walk to? regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:20. > :41:23.point, where would they walk to? We regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:24. > :41:23.played against Moseley and regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:24. > :41:24.played against Moseley `nd we regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:25. > :41:26.Ealing last week, who told us that regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:27. > :41:27.the championship clubs last regions walking away and Roger has a

:41:28. > :41:28.Wednesday had a leeting in Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:29. > :41:28.Birmanghal Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:29. > :41:28.Bipmanghal because of Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:29. > :41:29.Birmingham because of their Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:30. > :41:30.opposition Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:31. > :41:30.oppocitiol do Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:31. > :41:32.opposition to any Welsh inclusion in Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:33. > :41:37.their Wednesday had a meeting in

:41:38. > :41:39.That is a fact. Vhat I vould s`y, and I would like to stress that

:41:40. > :41:42.That is a fact. Vhat I vould s`y, answer to this is the Welsh

:41:43. > :41:42.That is a fact. Vhat I vould s`y, situation lies in

:41:43. > :41:43.That is a fact. Vhat I vould s`y, sipuation lies in Wales. Af

:41:44. > :41:47.That is a fact. Vhat I vould s`y, anybody's that anyone can roll in

:41:48. > :41:47.an` colve oer problems, anybody's that anyone can roll in

:41:48. > :41:50.and solve our problems, it won't anybody's that anyone can roll in

:41:51. > :41:51.happen. The answer is the anybody's that anyone can roll in

:41:52. > :41:54.of the Welsh Rugby Union and the of the Wels` ug`y Union and the

:41:55. > :41:55.guys at the top of the region. I'i

:41:56. > :42:00.guys at the top of the region. I'm not going to receive this. I'm

:42:01. > :42:02.guys at the top of the region. not going to pursue the options.

:42:03. > :42:05.guys at the top of the region. Gareth, if it does come

:42:06. > :42:07.Garedh, if it does come to Anglo-Welsh,

:42:08. > :42:08.Garedh, if it does come to Anglo- elsh, how

:42:09. > :42:09.Garedh, if it does come to Anglo-Welsh, how firm

:42:10. > :42:10.Garedh, if it does come to agreement that he might have with

:42:11. > :42:11.Garedh, if it does come to Englash clubs to go

:42:12. > :42:14.Garedh, if it does come to English clubs to go down that

:42:15. > :42:15.Garedh, if it does come to I think the understanding we

:42:16. > :42:18.I think the undepstanding we h`ve with the endless clubs is quite

:42:19. > :42:24.I think the undepstanding we h`ve solid. That is not underestimating

:42:25. > :42:29.the enormous hurdles of what is in the way. Cross-border etc. I

:42:30. > :42:31.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think unfortunately, if that is the case,

:42:32. > :42:32.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think it wall

:42:33. > :42:34.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think it will be squandering money that

:42:35. > :42:37.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think should be going into the game. And

:42:38. > :42:38.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think your preferred option is to

:42:39. > :42:39.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think Wales?

:42:40. > :42:41.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think It is about sustainability because

:42:42. > :42:42.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think what other option do

:42:43. > :42:42.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think what othep optiol do we have

:42:43. > :42:43.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think what other option do we have playing

:42:44. > :42:46.the way. Bross-bnrder etc. I think this much reduced European

:42:47. > :42:49.this much reduced Europdan competition and the Rabo is not

:42:50. > :42:50.this much reduced Europdan going to be the Rabo any more

:42:51. > :42:53.going to `e the Pabo anx more because we don't have a sponsor. The

:42:54. > :42:54.going to `e the Pabo anx more Italians are almost

:42:55. > :42:56.going to `e the Pabo anx more to pull out.

:42:57. > :42:58.So is youp to pull out.

:42:59. > :42:59.So is your preferred option to stay So ic youp `refepred option to stay

:43:00. > :43:03.in Wales? I would love to see a So ic youp `refepred option to stay

:43:04. > :43:04.solution in Wales but So ic youp `refepred option to stay

:43:05. > :43:04.sohudion hn Wales but ar Roger said, solution in Wales but as Roger said,

:43:05. > :43:07.I think we need to look at I phank we need to look at the

:43:08. > :43:09.European competition, which I think I phank we need to look at the

:43:10. > :43:10.is meaningful and ticks boxes from a is meaninffel and ticks boxes from a

:43:11. > :43:13.quality playing point of is meaninffel and ticks boxes from a

:43:14. > :43:13.qualaty plaqing poant of view is meaninffel and ticks boxes from a

:43:14. > :43:15.quality playing point of view and revenue point of view. We commit

:43:16. > :43:18.quality playing point of view and ourselves to the domestic league. We

:43:19. > :43:21.have to start to wrap up. Have you ourselves to the domestic league. We

:43:22. > :43:21.heard anythang ourselves to the domestic league. We

:43:22. > :43:22.heard anything over the past 40 ourselves to the domestic league. We

:43:23. > :43:24.minutes or so that ourselves to the domestic league. We

:43:25. > :43:24.miludes op co th`t suggdsts ourselves to the domestic league. We

:43:25. > :43:28.minutes or so that suggests to do that a deal is close with Mac no. -

:43:29. > :43:36.minutes or so that suggests to do is close? No. The answer

:43:37. > :43:37.minutes or so that suggests to do Europe. Roger needs to get his union

:43:38. > :43:38.friends to talk to clubs, friends to dalk to clubr, English

:43:39. > :43:41.and French. The test game is maxed friends to dalk to clubr, English

:43:42. > :43:43.out financially. There is ample oup finanbially. T`ere hs ample room

:43:44. > :43:45.for growth within the European cup oup finanbially. T`ere hs ample room

:43:46. > :43:47.game. Different oup finanbially. T`ere hs ample room

:43:48. > :43:47.gaie. Difderent blubs oup finanbially. T`ere hs ample room

:43:48. > :43:48.game. Different clubs can follow oup finanbially. T`ere hs ample room

:43:49. > :43:53.suit. That would work for the benefit for all `nd it hs about

:43:54. > :43:54.growing the game in all six growang the game in all sax

:43:55. > :43:59.Martin, if we can have green Maptan, if ge cal `ave freen

:44:00. > :44:04.scenarios? -- green scenarios? Maptan, if ge cal `ave freen

:44:05. > :44:08.Deadlines are fatal. We will Maptan, if ge cal `ave freen

:44:09. > :44:10.and it is such a Maptan, if ge cal `ave freen

:44:11. > :44:11.an` it is such a great fame in Wales and it is such a great game in Wales

:44:12. > :44:17.that you have to solve it. What is your dream outcome? My

:44:18. > :44:17.that you have to solve it. oupcome is

:44:18. > :44:21.that you have to solve it. outcome is he sustainability --

:44:22. > :44:22.outcome is `e surtainabhlaty -- future sustainability and success of

:44:23. > :44:25.futube surtainabhlaty and success of the game. It is critical we maintain

:44:26. > :44:29.the game. Id is bratical we mahntain Welsh rugby but we need to develop

:44:30. > :44:32.the regions and as a semipro leagee.

:44:33. > :44:33.the regions and as a semipro league. Where does that or start?

:44:34. > :44:40.leagee. Whebe does that or start? The community. Roger Lewis. It is

:44:41. > :44:44.leagee. Whebe does that or start? working from division one to seven.

:44:45. > :44:47.workang fpom divhsaon one to sdven. It is all about looking for

:44:48. > :44:50.solutions and working together It is all about looking for

:44:51. > :44:51.that is hnw we that is how we achieve greatness,

:44:52. > :44:51.whic` that is how we achieve greatness,

:44:52. > :44:56.which we have already achieved in whic` we hafe alpeady abhaeved in

:44:57. > :44:58.Wales over the last nine years and continue that

:44:59. > :45:00.Wales over the last nine years and is in a good place and will be in a

:45:01. > :45:01.Wales over the last nine years and good place through us

:45:02. > :45:02.good place dhroufh us worcing together collaboratively to address

:45:03. > :45:05.togedher bollabopatively to address these

:45:06. > :45:08.togedher bollabopatively to address That is all we have time for. In a

:45:09. > :45:10.That is all we h`ve timd for. Hn a fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:11. > :45:11.when Wales begin the defence of fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:12. > :45:14.their Six Nations title. There is fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:15. > :45:15.specaal ppogramme next Runday fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:16. > :45:18.evening on ccrum five. fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:19. > :45:19.evening on scrum five. Further fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:20. > :45:20.ofd field problems fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:21. > :45:21.off field problems are sorted by fortnight Welsh rugby will be united

:45:22. > :45:23.time Wales take the field against tiie Wales dake the field against

:45:24. > :45:24.Italy remains to be seen but from Italy rem`ins to be seen but from

:45:25. > :45:27.me, the panel and the rest of the Italy rem`ins to be seen but from

:45:28. > :45:30.team, have a great