:00:13. > :00:33.Thank you very much. Hello and welcome the last in the current
:00:34. > :00:38.series of The Clare Balding Show. With the Olympics and Paralympics
:00:39. > :00:43.looming we pay homage to the greatest show on earth and our
:00:44. > :00:49.guests have six gold medals between them and a number that will rise
:00:50. > :00:55.after this year's games, because joining us tonight double Olympic
:00:56. > :01:03.gold medallist and the new president of the IAAF, Lord Sebastian Coe. The
:01:04. > :01:15.gold medal boxing champion with the golden smile, Nicola Adams is with
:01:16. > :01:24.us. Taekwondo's finist Jade Jones and Bianca Walkden are here. And
:01:25. > :01:30.completing our golden line up, the wheelchair sprint gold medallist,
:01:31. > :01:34.Hannah Cockcroft. Let's start with my first guest, an Olympic legend
:01:35. > :01:41.taking on the challenge of his life as he aims to clean up his beloved
:01:42. > :01:46.sport. Sebastian Coe is one of greatest athletes of all time. He
:01:47. > :01:55.won four Olympic medals and is the only athlete to have won the Olympic
:01:56. > :02:01.15 hundred metres twice. Such was his dominance that at one stage he
:02:02. > :02:06.held the 800, 15 hundred and mile world records. He spearheaded the
:02:07. > :02:10.London bid to host the 2012 summer Olympics and Paralympics and became
:02:11. > :02:16.chairman of the London organising committee and now as president of
:02:17. > :02:22.the IAAF, he faces his toughest challenge to date - to rid athletics
:02:23. > :02:29.of doping and restore the integrity of the governing body which has been
:02:30. > :02:42.exposed as corrupt. Please welcome the right honourable Lord Coe.
:02:43. > :02:46.APPLAUSE. Are you safe to go out at the moment. I think, although I have
:02:47. > :02:52.a bad cold. Do you feel at the moment like the most hunted man in
:02:53. > :02:58.Europe? No. Not every day any way! A warm welcome there and I imagine the
:02:59. > :03:03.difference between men and women on the street and the British bress is
:03:04. > :03:07.significant -- press is significant. I don't get too stressed about the
:03:08. > :03:12.media, I have sort of, I'm in my 60th year. Can I say you don't look
:03:13. > :03:19.it. That is the only reason I made that point. But I got into the GB
:03:20. > :03:23.junior team when I was 18 and I have sort of lived in that world and
:03:24. > :03:27.sometimes it is tough, sometimes you get the support. They're asking all
:03:28. > :03:34.the questions that they should be asking. It is like the trawlerman
:03:35. > :03:42.complaining about the tide. Your job is to sort it out and restore trust
:03:43. > :03:46.in athletics, can you? Yes, we can and the changes that I'm making at
:03:47. > :03:51.the moment alongside my council and some good people will do that. And
:03:52. > :03:55.the question we all have to ask ourselves and I'm not immune from
:03:56. > :04:01.that, I ask myself this, how on earth did we get to this position?
:04:02. > :04:07.And the guiding principle for me is to get the right people with the
:04:08. > :04:11.right motives in the sport and by a distance they're there. But for me
:04:12. > :04:16.it is about the athletes, I'm not sitting here for any other reason
:04:17. > :04:21.than because I'm runner. That is the guiding... Principle. You might
:04:22. > :04:26.think you're defined as a runner, you have done so many things since
:04:27. > :04:31.and many will think of you as the man who brought us London 2012. That
:04:32. > :04:38.is not how I would define myself. APPLAUSE. You elevated yourself to
:04:39. > :04:44.hero status and to be honest there are a lot easier jobs you could have
:04:45. > :04:50.taken on, this role f you don't succeed, it will be the thing that
:04:51. > :04:53.defines you? Possibly. If you remember when London threw its hat
:04:54. > :04:57.in the ring for the games, nobody thought we were going to do that.
:04:58. > :05:05.When I became the chairman we were fourth out of five cities and
:05:06. > :05:10.trailing badly. I have never tended to predicate what I want to do on
:05:11. > :05:16.the basis of the risk. It must be a relief that Dick Pound in delivering
:05:17. > :05:21.the report from the world anti-doping association said you're
:05:22. > :05:27.the right man to lead athletic out of this desperate situation. With
:05:28. > :05:31.the benefit of hind sight, are there things you could have done or wish
:05:32. > :05:34.you had done, things you might have said or challenged earlier? The
:05:35. > :05:40.answer to that in life is normally yes. I think you have to be very
:05:41. > :05:46.open and very honest about that. Was the fact that we had problems in
:05:47. > :05:52.Russia around anti-doping a huge secret? No. Were we when we asked
:05:53. > :05:57.the questions about the rising numbers of Russian positives, were
:05:58. > :06:01.we given the right answers? Probably no. Should we have been able to look
:06:02. > :06:07.over the wall and found out more, yes and those are the changes that
:06:08. > :06:10.I'm putting in place. We have doubled the anti-doping budget from
:06:11. > :06:14.four to eight million and doubled the number of athletes at
:06:15. > :06:18.international level that we will be testing. You did lead your council
:06:19. > :06:24.in a brave decision to suspend Russia. The decision on whether they
:06:25. > :06:30.will compete at the 2016 Olympics rests with the IAAF? Yes. When we
:06:31. > :06:39.suspended the Russian Federation as we did in November, the position had
:06:40. > :06:45.become so she serious -- so serious and the observations made by dick
:06:46. > :06:49.Dick Pound so clear cut we had no alternative. We want the Russian
:06:50. > :06:54.athletes, but they can only come back when we are sure they are
:06:55. > :07:01.coming back to systems that are secure. You're about to or may have
:07:02. > :07:06.started the investigation into Kenyan athletes. That will be
:07:07. > :07:13.ongoing and will start. There is an important point here. This whole
:07:14. > :07:17.discussion and I'm not in denial here, our sport is, it has come
:07:18. > :07:21.through a horrendous and is coming through a horrendous period. The
:07:22. > :07:31.only reason we are having this discussion is because those Russian
:07:32. > :07:34.athletes were unearthed on our biological passport that we
:07:35. > :07:38.pioneered and the added reason is because we know through that
:07:39. > :07:43.independent report there were people in the organisation I now preside
:07:44. > :07:48.over who did whistle-blow. There are good people out there. But what we
:07:49. > :07:53.have to make sure is that they have systems that really a allow us to do
:07:54. > :08:00.what we need to do and to be fearless about it. We know that a
:08:01. > :08:04.disproportionate amount of damage is caused be arelatively few country --
:08:05. > :08:09.relatively few countries and we have to be more proactive and if it means
:08:10. > :08:16.pulling them out of championships we are going to have to do that. What
:08:17. > :08:21.is the time frame for the Kenyan investigation? That is ongoing. It
:08:22. > :08:29.must be delivered before the Olympics. The anti-doping agency
:08:30. > :08:38.have looked closely at that and we have monitored that. The withdrawal
:08:39. > :08:42.of Adidas, will that have an impact? Adidas has not withdrawn. We have
:08:43. > :08:50.got to a very good position with Adidas. That is going to go. That is
:08:51. > :08:56.ongoing. Nestle I had more of a problem with. I felt that had little
:08:57. > :09:00.to do with reputational damage, because actually the worse of the
:09:01. > :09:07.lance arm strong issues they renewed with the Tour de France. So I was a
:09:08. > :09:11.bit bemused by that and the word hypocritical slightly comes to mind.
:09:12. > :09:16.We are not going to accept that one. But there is a broader point.
:09:17. > :09:19.Sponsors will ask those questions and they should and they want to
:09:20. > :09:25.know what changes I want to make, am I serious about that? Yes. It is the
:09:26. > :09:34.only thing I'm focus on? Yes. Will we get those in place quickly? Yes
:09:35. > :09:39.we will. But they have boards of shareholders and they're asking the
:09:40. > :09:44.right questions. My the large part of my waking hours is flying around
:09:45. > :09:47.the world explaining why it is my intention to never return to this
:09:48. > :09:52.space again. I don't think there is any of us that would want to swap
:09:53. > :09:56.places with you. Is there any part of job that is enjoyable? Yes,
:09:57. > :10:02.because it is my passion. What else would I want to be doing other than
:10:03. > :10:06.being given the job to shake the future -- shape the future of my
:10:07. > :10:14.sport. It seemed a good idea at the time. Let's talk about your athletic
:10:15. > :10:21.career. You say you define yourself as a runner and you were successful.
:10:22. > :10:27.Was it always going to be running? Yes. Look at you you were angelic!
:10:28. > :10:34.That photograph I have above my desk. My father pointed that. He was
:10:35. > :10:38.a talented man. He was an engineer and decided to take a coaching view
:10:39. > :10:50.and look at this, you will get an idea of their coaching relationship.
:10:51. > :10:55.Basically what is is between six and eight half mile sections of road,
:10:56. > :10:59.back-to-back. I have the car as pace. And most of them are run under
:11:00. > :11:05.two minutes with a very short recovery. That is hard. That is
:11:06. > :11:09.probably one of the hardest of the conditioning session I do. The
:11:10. > :11:13.quality of what you do is more important than the quantity. Why
:11:14. > :11:24.pound the life out of a young runner when you can develop it with
:11:25. > :11:31.quality? APPLAUSE. Oh we had quiet country lanes you could do that now.
:11:32. > :11:37.You did interval training? Yes with the car. A short recovery, not near
:11:38. > :11:42.live as short as the shorts. They were very short! Was your father
:11:43. > :11:47.tough on you? Yes, but sensibly. My parents had no idea I had joined the
:11:48. > :11:51.athletics club and my mother was I think when I was about eleven or 12
:11:52. > :11:55.was concerned as to where I was going Tuesday nights and Thursday
:11:56. > :12:01.night and Sunday mornings. I think I'm sure she sent my father to find
:12:02. > :12:07.out what was going on. He started to watch what I was doing at the club.
:12:08. > :12:12.And then being a classic engineer decided he could do it better than
:12:13. > :12:17.anybody else. And after about the first two years he sort of became my
:12:18. > :12:23.coach and effectively turned himself into the best middle distance coach
:12:24. > :12:27.of his generation. S his methods were successful and in 1979 you
:12:28. > :12:34.broke three world records in 41 days. Of course back then we didn't
:12:35. > :12:39.have the internet or mobile phones and how did you let your mum know
:12:40. > :12:45.you had broke the first of the records? The world record came one
:12:46. > :12:52.evening when I wasn't expecting it. As I left the stadium, I spotted a
:12:53. > :12:56.telephone, so I picked up the phone and got through to the factory and
:12:57. > :13:01.his Secretary said, he is not around. Have you got a message? I
:13:02. > :13:09.said, yes, could you tell him his son's just broken the world 800
:13:10. > :13:14.metre record. She went, OK right, you all right? See you soon, bye.
:13:15. > :13:19.That was how he got to know about it. The nation was gripped by your
:13:20. > :13:28.rivalry with Steve Ovett. We loved it, because we like to get
:13:29. > :13:33.involved... Sorry who? The 1980 Moscow Olympics were known as the
:13:34. > :13:40.Ovett versus Coe Olympics and you met in the 800 and 1,500 metres. You
:13:41. > :13:45.were supposed to win the 800. He was supposed to win the 1,500 and the
:13:46. > :13:53.reverse happened. He was a very good runner. The most naturally talented
:13:54. > :14:04.athlete I competed with. By the time of the 15 hundred there was nowhere
:14:05. > :14:10.to go. This image is you winning the 1,500. That illsing no -- that is
:14:11. > :14:16.not a look of joy. It is relief and panic, you don't know whether
:14:17. > :14:23.anybody is going to come past. But you put your arms out so they can't
:14:24. > :14:29.get by. Now our second guest illuminated the Olympics with her
:14:30. > :14:34.big smiled and success, please welcome the women's fly weight
:14:35. > :14:45.boxing champion, Nicola Adams. APPLAUSE. Good to see you. We have
:14:46. > :14:50.been trying to get Nicola for years actually. You are a woman wedded to
:14:51. > :14:55.your training. Yes I have a passion for my sport and I'm always striving
:14:56. > :15:01.to achieve the best and I know I can only do that by training. What is
:15:02. > :15:06.your routine? I train three times a day, five days a week. That is a run
:15:07. > :15:10.in the morning, strength and conditioning in the mid morning and
:15:11. > :15:15.weights and stuff and the boxing in the evening. That is hard core. We
:15:16. > :15:19.can see you doing some pull ups. They're really difficult. Although
:15:20. > :15:27.you Smile through most of life you didn't...
:15:28. > :15:36.That's a smile, I'm working on that one. How important is it you have
:15:37. > :15:42.somebody like Nicola, who shines out of an Olympic Games? She has helped
:15:43. > :15:45.put women's boxing on the map and really allowed people to understand
:15:46. > :15:50.that women's boxing is really serious thought and they have every
:15:51. > :15:54.justification to do it. You must have noticed and seen evidence of a
:15:55. > :15:58.changing attitude? I was really shocked and surprised how many
:15:59. > :16:03.people had watched me when and just took to boxing. The amount of girls
:16:04. > :16:07.and boys that have actually got into the sport of boxing now just after
:16:08. > :16:12.seeing me win has been absolutely amazing. Getting tweets to say I'm
:16:13. > :16:15.their hero, I've inspired them to get into the ring, it's a real
:16:16. > :16:21.honour for me definitely. My favourite moment of the games was
:16:22. > :16:27.you finishing and being interviewed. Somebody said the usual, how did you
:16:28. > :16:32.feel? You said, it's made my day. LAUGHTER
:16:33. > :16:38.The impact of your success went far beyond those who were in the Excel
:16:39. > :16:44.on the day, including the Queen. Yeah, I was quite amazed, I didn't
:16:45. > :16:48.know she was a big fan of boxing. LAUGHTER
:16:49. > :16:54.What did you say? What did she say to you? She was really happy I had
:16:55. > :16:58.won and she was looking forward to seeing me in Rio, and hoping I can
:16:59. > :17:02.do the same again. You are very aware you are reigning champion,
:17:03. > :17:06.said, I have a target on my back, will it be different for you,
:17:07. > :17:11.mentally, going to Rio? I know what it's like to win, being in the
:17:12. > :17:16.village surrounded by so many big names, athletes and champions, I
:17:17. > :17:20.kind of feel like a more rounded athlete going into it this time,
:17:21. > :17:25.it's given me a lot more confidence. Are you fit as well? I am, yeah,
:17:26. > :17:32.fitter, stronger, faster, ready to go. One thing amateur boxers don't
:17:33. > :17:40.do that professional boxers do is trash talk. Are you capable of doing
:17:41. > :17:45.it? I don't know! Maybe. If you were going to fight seven:... LAUGHTER
:17:46. > :17:52.Because Muhammad Ali is one of your heroes, what would Muhammad Ali...
:17:53. > :18:00.How would you channel him? -- if you were going to fight to three macro.
:18:01. > :18:11.Sebastien Coke you used to be fast, but those days are way in the past.
:18:12. > :18:19.-- ten three macro. You look young, but you look quite old, mess with me
:18:20. > :18:26.and I'll knock you out cold. She does it all with a smile. I'm
:18:27. > :18:31.certainly not retaliating. It's time now to welcome our next guest, she
:18:32. > :18:33.won double gold at the London 2012 Paralympics and is gunning for
:18:34. > :18:38.another golden haul this summer. Let's see her in action at the
:18:39. > :18:42.recent World Championships. Bastion to have been asked and she is
:18:43. > :18:52.finding the answers. -- questions have been asked. Punches the air!
:18:53. > :18:53.Hannah Cockroft has a world title. Ladies and gentlemen, Hannah
:18:54. > :19:03.Cockroft! Thank you for coming on the show and
:19:04. > :19:08.many congratulations on your recent successes at the World Championship
:19:09. > :19:15.in Doha, remind us what you won. Gold in 100, 400 and 800.
:19:16. > :19:23.UR a flag bearer for the Paralympic movement. You've been involved in
:19:24. > :19:29.this momentum building towards the Paralympic games in Rio, because
:19:30. > :19:36.it's tough and expensive, isn't it, to keep going? Even if you are
:19:37. > :19:40.funded? For me, my wheelchair busts me ?8,000. Last year, two months
:19:41. > :19:42.before we flew to the World Championship, might race chair got
:19:43. > :19:49.damaged and I couldn't race any more. -- might race chair. It's
:19:50. > :19:53.important we have support, without these pieces of abridgement we can't
:19:54. > :19:56.get out and do what we have to do. It's still the barrier for people
:19:57. > :20:00.getting into Paralympic sport, there are so many more willing sponsors to
:20:01. > :20:05.come on board and help you with that. It is going out and proving to
:20:06. > :20:10.them, your money is being spent right, showing to them what we can
:20:11. > :20:13.do when we have someone behind us. Something happened last year that
:20:14. > :20:18.had never happened to you before, Hannah Cockroft, you got beaten. For
:20:19. > :20:26.the first time in something like 300 races, by... A 14-year-old. And what
:20:27. > :20:31.happened? The thing is, when you raise the same people over and over
:20:32. > :20:36.again, I did just get complacent. Had a cracking start and honestly I
:20:37. > :20:39.just switched off. Harry went past and it was like I woke up and
:20:40. > :20:45.thought, I'm actually racing here, what am I doing? For British athlete
:20:46. > :20:51.is quite encouraging, because at 14 she is going to be the rising star.
:20:52. > :20:54.Carrie will be coming with me to Rio. I can guarantee. With me, but I
:20:55. > :21:08.will be on top! As well as training, and competing,
:21:09. > :21:15.you are also studying. Yes, I am. Journalism, I'm after your job. I
:21:16. > :21:20.love that. Seb studied at the same time as competing. It's a fairly
:21:21. > :21:28.charitable description of what I did. I was the only student at
:21:29. > :21:34.Loughborough who handed in essays on British Airways notepaper. Time to
:21:35. > :21:39.introduce our next 26 team gold medal hopes he will be striking fear
:21:40. > :21:41.into their rivals as well as kicks and punches, taekwondo Olympic
:21:42. > :21:43.champion Jerry Jones and taekwondo world champion Bianca Walkden! --
:21:44. > :22:06.Jade Jones and Bianca Walkden. Welcome, good to see you both. Now,
:22:07. > :22:12.look at this for a line-up. I dedicated my whole life to this
:22:13. > :22:15.moment. The thing about Jade and Bianca, Olympic champion, world
:22:16. > :22:20.champion, different categories. You don't fight each other, do you? We
:22:21. > :22:25.do in training all the time, it gets a bit heated. We're in different
:22:26. > :22:33.weights, I'm -57, yank it is in plus 67. -- Bianca is in plus 67. You
:22:34. > :22:36.share a house bastion we've lived together at six years, we train
:22:37. > :22:40.together, live together, each together. I would love to see
:22:41. > :22:46.somebody try to break into the house. We can see Jade in training.
:22:47. > :22:52.What is your nickname? The headhunter. When I first went to the
:22:53. > :22:56.National Academy I kept going, literally hunting for the head all
:22:57. > :23:00.the time. The headshot is three points, why bother going to the
:23:01. > :23:12.body? Yes, indeed. Let's have a look at you.
:23:13. > :23:20.APPLAUSE Jade, you were the youngest gold
:23:21. > :23:28.medallist for Great Britain in London 2012, you were 19. 19, yeah.
:23:29. > :23:32.To do that so young, is that the thing you will always remember, your
:23:33. > :23:36.first gold medal? Or was it, that's the beginning, now I do it again.
:23:37. > :23:41.Definitely, don't think anything hadn't beat that, London was so
:23:42. > :23:46.amazing, home games, my first games, didn't know what to expect. All my
:23:47. > :23:51.family and friends. Britain just went crazy, unbelievable. An amazing
:23:52. > :23:56.experience, that I don't think you can beat. The moment came at the
:23:57. > :24:02.2015 World Championships. It was a very tense final talk us through
:24:03. > :24:08.what happened. Yeah, I was losing all the way, basically, I had 14
:24:09. > :24:13.seconds left. I kicked her in the head, but they took it off me. And I
:24:14. > :24:16.had nine seconds left. The next minute I got another one, I was
:24:17. > :24:22.like, I'll have to keep this one now. Next minute I was world
:24:23. > :24:25.champion, so it was good. The points scoring system in taekwondo is
:24:26. > :24:33.complex, rather than try to explain it, it's better to demonstrate. I
:24:34. > :24:41.will be the pity. -- I will be the piggy. When we discussed it, I
:24:42. > :24:45.thought, yes, of course, I will be the dummy while they demonstrate how
:24:46. > :24:52.to score points in taekwondo. Little bit nervous. The lowest points that
:24:53. > :24:59.can be scored? A one point shot. How does it work? If you just go to the
:25:00. > :25:10.side of it. And hold it. It's called a back leg. Good, one point. Two
:25:11. > :25:17.points? It's a spin and kicked to the body. Who's doing that? Jade is
:25:18. > :25:22.going to. It used to be two points but because it's more flashy it has
:25:23. > :25:29.moved to three points. That would hurt you, actually! I allowed to do
:25:30. > :25:36.that? I saw it coming, but my elbow in. Are you all right? If I don't go
:25:37. > :25:43.to Rio... It's my fault for breaking her toes. There is a four point
:25:44. > :25:47.shot. Put your arms up, I'll probably not queue out. It's
:25:48. > :25:52.literally exactly the same to the body, you are just going to spin and
:25:53. > :25:57.go high. I don't reckon I could control it. That's fine, as
:25:58. > :25:58.demonstrations go that was very very well done! APPLAUSE
:25:59. > :26:06.CHEERING Luckily I had survived, so thank you
:26:07. > :26:14.for not actually knocking my head off. Seb has vowed to clean up his
:26:15. > :26:18.sport of athletics. You guys as full-time athlete in your respective
:26:19. > :26:25.sports, how often do you get tested, and do you have any warning at all?
:26:26. > :26:30.Bianca. We have a whereabouts system, we have to say where we are
:26:31. > :26:34.every day for a certain hour. We put 6am, make sure we are in bed, so we
:26:35. > :26:39.don't miss it. When they ring the bell presumably you don't know which
:26:40. > :26:45.one is being tested. I'm lucky Bianca lives with me, I literally
:26:46. > :26:51.wouldn't hear it. I hear Bianca out the window, going, who is it for? If
:26:52. > :26:54.they say Jade, I'm like, Jade gets down! Nicola when they come to test
:26:55. > :27:02.you it's always at home, is it? Not at the gym? No, it can be anywhere.
:27:03. > :27:06.What has to happen? They take blood or you're in. I think you're in is
:27:07. > :27:15.the most awkward, because they actually have to watch you go to the
:27:16. > :27:19.toilet. I always get stage fright. -- double. It takes me between four
:27:20. > :27:27.and six hours to go. Standing in the bathroom with you waiting? Yeah! I'm
:27:28. > :27:32.the same as Jade and Bianca, I'm on the whereabouts system, ie
:27:33. > :27:35.essentially get tested at least one time my mother, it's awkward, you
:27:36. > :27:39.have to pull your top up to here and your pants right down, then in
:27:40. > :27:44.Australia, they were like, can you stand up and give the sample so we
:27:45. > :27:50.can see everything. I was like, what kind of girl stands up to have a
:27:51. > :27:55.wee? I can't do that! It really helps if you turn the tap on. I've
:27:56. > :28:00.tried that as well, it's the whole watching that puts me off. You have
:28:01. > :28:05.to pretend like they are not there, they chat away like they are your
:28:06. > :28:08.best friend. I thought, I would let my best friend see me in this
:28:09. > :28:13.position might now. Can you walk up to people in the Olympic Village and
:28:14. > :28:17.ask for a photo? You try to be respectful and not do that, you know
:28:18. > :28:26.how important being focused is. You wouldn't do that? I would never do
:28:27. > :28:31.that! It was all right committee was cool. He was really cool. We've
:28:32. > :28:35.reached the end of the show and the end of a brilliant series. Thanks to
:28:36. > :28:39.all my guests through the last ten weeks added huge thanks to my guests
:28:40. > :28:48.tonight. Good luck in Rio to Hannah Cockroft, Nicola Adams, Jade Jones
:28:49. > :28:50.and Hannah walked in. -- Bianca Walkden. Until we return, a very
:28:51. > :28:54.good night.