:00:15. > :00:34.Hello. Thank you very much. Hello and welcome to The Clare Balding
:00:35. > :00:38.Sports Show and we have a power packed line-up tonight. My guests
:00:39. > :00:43.have all reached the peak of their sports. They have world titles and
:00:44. > :00:49.grand slam trophies to prove it. They have battled through rivals and
:00:50. > :00:59.doubters, pain and adversity to become champions. She is the holder
:01:00. > :00:59.of the Australian and Wimbledon doubles champions and holder of the
:01:00. > :01:05.Wimbledon singles title, wheelchair tennis player Jordanne Whiley.
:01:06. > :01:15.Father and son boxing riled the, we have got Barry McGuigan and his son
:01:16. > :01:21.Shane McGuigan. Cash boxing royalty. First up, the man whose boxing CV
:01:22. > :01:27.reads 26 victories, 24 knockouts. He is one of Britain's greatest ever
:01:28. > :01:34.boxers. He became cruiserweight world champion in 2008 before moving
:01:35. > :01:36.to heavyweight where he became world champion by beating a seven foot
:01:37. > :01:42.giant. A loss to Wladimir Klitschko champion by beating a seven foot
:01:43. > :01:46.and a debilitating shoulder injury have seen him away from the ring for
:01:47. > :01:50.four years, that now this hard-hitting heavyweight is back. He
:01:51. > :02:05.is always box office. Please welcome David Haye, the Hayemaker. How are
:02:06. > :02:13.you? Very well. Nice to see you again and you are looking very fine.
:02:14. > :02:19.Thank you. Kind of wild. It is a bit crazy, my training look. Will you
:02:20. > :02:23.shave it off before the fight? I am having mixed feelings. Some people
:02:24. > :02:31.say it is a crazy style, some people say it is a mess. You have achieved
:02:32. > :02:34.everything you wanted to. Since I was a kid I wanted to be the
:02:35. > :02:40.heavyweight champion of the world and I did that by beating a giant
:02:41. > :02:44.guy. En route to that I wonder cruiserweight title, the weight
:02:45. > :02:53.below heavyweight. I was not the biggest guy and I went up to fight
:02:54. > :02:53.below heavyweight. I was not the the big guys. But I feel I have more
:02:54. > :02:59.to give. I have achieved my goal, heavyweight champion, but I want to
:03:00. > :03:04.do it again. When you are in training, you have to be quite
:03:05. > :03:08.abstemious. What do you not allow yourself? You sacrifice the
:03:09. > :03:16.pleasures you would have an normal, everyday life. Here is the thing. I
:03:17. > :03:25.saw those. Can you smell them? Do you want one? It has been many a
:03:26. > :03:32.moon since I had one of those. So, none of that. None of that, early
:03:33. > :03:40.knights, no alcohol. That is the ROM. I will have a smell. You said
:03:41. > :03:46.you hated training and you would rather be on a beach having ROM. But
:03:47. > :03:53.once you are on the beach drinking that, you get bored. The novelty
:03:54. > :03:57.wears off. I am sitting on the beach on my telephone watching the other
:03:58. > :04:03.fighters thinking, I can beat that guy. Are you in better shape than
:04:04. > :04:10.you were eight years ago? Yes, definitely. I am a different shape.
:04:11. > :04:18.I am 35, but I am a young 35. I have not taken that much punishment. I
:04:19. > :04:23.have only been the distance twice in my whole career and I have not been
:04:24. > :04:29.bashed up. In terms of miles on the clock, I am in a good place. This
:04:30. > :04:35.next phase, the final phase of my career, I can win all the world
:04:36. > :04:44.titles again. The comeback fight is on January the 16th and it is on
:04:45. > :04:48.Mark De Mori. You have picked the O2 Arena. It is a stone's throw away
:04:49. > :04:55.from Bermondsey where I was born and bred. I won my first unification
:04:56. > :05:02.fight at the O2 Arena in 2008. For me walking out there and the
:05:03. > :05:03.electricity of the crowd, south London is fantastic and after three
:05:04. > :05:07.and a half years to go back there and packed out the place and produce
:05:08. > :05:13.a performance and fight a guy who has not lost in 11 years... He is
:05:14. > :05:21.talking about doing horrible things to me. Exactly, who can imagine. We
:05:22. > :05:24.have a clip from the press conference. You like to size each
:05:25. > :05:31.other up. I am never sure whether you know what the other is going to
:05:32. > :05:36.do. What do you call that? I think he got a bit nervous and wanted to
:05:37. > :05:45.stick his head in a little bit. Are you meant to stare at each other? It
:05:46. > :05:49.is romantic. He wanted to go for a kiss and then his head went in and I
:05:50. > :05:56.pushed him off and told him to calm down. He has got plenty of time to
:05:57. > :06:01.get close to meet on January the 16th, but I will be a bit more
:06:02. > :06:09.violent. Has he got a nickname? He is The Dominator. You are generally
:06:10. > :06:17.speaking quite a nice guy. Generally speaking. I have had my moments. I
:06:18. > :06:24.know. Tell me five things about Mark De Mori that are positive. He has
:06:25. > :06:30.got a nice haircut for starters. He has not lost in over a decade. He
:06:31. > :06:35.has knocked out the same amount of fighters I have beaten, so he is
:06:36. > :06:41.ranked in the top ten in the world, so that is positive. You can do it.
:06:42. > :06:50.Giving you are in such a good mood about Mark, The Dominator, Give Him
:06:51. > :06:55.A Message Of Love. Camera Four. Hello, Mark, I Hope You Are Well And
:06:56. > :07:01.You Are Feeling Positive About The 16th. I Am Excited As Well And I Am
:07:02. > :07:07.Sure Everyone At The O2 Arena Will Be Thrilled By Us Really Going At
:07:08. > :07:16.It. I Know you want to really dominate me. But unfortunately I
:07:17. > :07:26.will have to bring out the Hayemaker and bring you down for the count.
:07:27. > :07:29.APPLAUSE I think we may have found a whole
:07:30. > :07:35.new way of promoting boxing. You have an unusual superstition
:07:36. > :07:42.before a fight. What do you have to do the day before? The day of the
:07:43. > :07:52.fight? Yes. I tidy my hotel room and I walk out and I go to work. It is
:07:53. > :07:57.time to introduce our next guest, the father and son whose family name
:07:58. > :08:02.is synonymous with boxing success. Please welcome one of Britain's ever
:08:03. > :08:06.greatest fighters, and his son who is currently working with David
:08:07. > :08:24.Haye, Barry McGuigan and Shane McGuigan.
:08:25. > :08:32.I just said to Barry that Shane has got the eyes, you have got the same
:08:33. > :08:40.eyes. How did you end up working with David? He commentated on Carl
:08:41. > :08:45.Frampton, my world champion's fights and four months ago we got the phone
:08:46. > :08:50.call and we worked our way through it. After being on the couch or the
:08:51. > :08:55.beach for three and a half years, it was a slow process. But we are here
:08:56. > :09:00.and he is ready to fight next week. I came across this video. I would
:09:01. > :09:08.love to know what this is about. This looks incredibly painful. What
:09:09. > :09:14.is the point of it? Conditioning the guts to take the shots. Mark De Mori
:09:15. > :09:20.talks about chopping David down, but we showed that want to put a
:09:21. > :09:24.dampener on that. Does it hurt? It is not nice. There are a lot more
:09:25. > :09:29.pleasurable experiences in life than is not nice. There are a lot more
:09:30. > :09:33.that, but it does condition you. You can deal with all the crunches, but
:09:34. > :09:44.it does not prepare you for an impact into the stomach. Right at
:09:45. > :09:48.the end you land one that you think is a good bang. Look at your face.
:09:49. > :09:57.You are nine years younger than David. Eight. That is unusual,
:09:58. > :10:02.normally trainers are older and grizzled. What is it like taking
:10:03. > :10:06.orders from a junior? Trainers who are 56 years old have not achieved
:10:07. > :10:14.half of what he has. It is about your mindset and knowing what makes
:10:15. > :10:17.a good coach. It is someone who is willing to adapt and learn and
:10:18. > :10:22.improve themselves. Too many coaches are too rigid. Do it this way. Back
:10:23. > :10:29.in 98 we did it this way, so you are going to do it. He is very
:10:30. > :10:32.scientific in his approach and he knows about physiology and he is
:10:33. > :10:38.learning to do different things and changing the training and I am
:10:39. > :10:42.enjoying it and I can feel the difference in my body. That is why
:10:43. > :10:49.he is the main man on the same. Last year, Barry, Mark your anniversary
:10:50. > :10:53.of winning. You blink and 30 years go by, it is incredible. But I look
:10:54. > :11:01.in the mirror, and what is not there... It used to be full of hair.
:11:02. > :11:06.Your fight was on the BBC World Service on the radio. Is there a
:11:07. > :11:16.story that Liam Neeson was trying to listen to all of it, but could not?
:11:17. > :11:19.Liam Neeson was making the movie The Mission in South America with Robert
:11:20. > :11:25.De Niro and he was listening to the fight and they were all waiting for
:11:26. > :11:33.him to finish. It got to the 10th round and they said, you have got to
:11:34. > :11:35.go, you we cannot wait any longer. He left a couple of the guys and
:11:36. > :11:41.they came running up after he got his break and they said, you're man
:11:42. > :11:46.lost. Oh, no, he said. They told him they were taking the Mickey and they
:11:47. > :11:51.had a celebration. He was a massive boxing fan and was the
:11:52. > :11:53.had a celebration. He was a massive heavyweight champion in the 70s. The
:11:54. > :11:56.thing that made that fight special, you must have watched it, you were
:11:57. > :12:02.not born, but you must have watched it... Yes, I have. And all the
:12:03. > :12:07.build-up because your grandfather sang Danny boy before it. At the
:12:08. > :12:16.time it was a traumatic time in Northern Ireland. Also in the
:12:17. > :12:17.province of Ulster and I boxed all my
:12:18. > :12:20.province of Ulster and I boxed all I did not want to move away and go
:12:21. > :12:28.to England or America. I wanted to box from home. I thought it was very
:12:29. > :12:32.important at that time and what they wanted to do, both political side,
:12:33. > :12:38.they wanted you to nail your colours to the mast and I did not want to do
:12:39. > :12:45.that. I wore a neutral colours, the blue colours of the United Nations
:12:46. > :12:48.flag of peace. I was a unifying force. Please be with you and you
:12:49. > :12:52.punch somebody in the face. It sounded like a contradiction in
:12:53. > :12:58.terms. Leave the fighting to McGuigan and it had a profound
:12:59. > :13:05.effect during a very difficult time. People really loved you. You had two
:13:06. > :13:10.homecomings in Dublin and Belfast. 70,000 people gathered in an hour
:13:11. > :13:14.and a half in Belfast. Then three days later I went to Dublin and we
:13:15. > :13:23.had 200,000 people. It was remarkable. The Belfast Telegraph
:13:24. > :13:29.came up the whole place, it was fantastic. You were probably the
:13:30. > :13:34.most famous man in all of Ireland. Was there a time when you felt
:13:35. > :13:40.vulnerable? In relation to the troubles? Yes. It was around the
:13:41. > :13:45.time people were being kidnapped and a couple of eminent judges were
:13:46. > :13:50.kidnapped and Shergar and all of that, so I was issued with a gun and
:13:51. > :14:00.taught how to shoot it. I was rubbish. I could not hit a barn
:14:01. > :14:06.door, so it was a scary time. So, as a kid I did not take it seriously,
:14:07. > :14:10.but I think it was a genuine threat. You are very aware of what you
:14:11. > :14:16.represented and the role you could play. With that in mind, what is
:14:17. > :14:28.your view, all three, of Tyson Fury, the man, the
:14:29. > :14:31.I thought he was wrong to say what he said, but he is a fantastic
:14:32. > :14:32.character. He is a funny guy, but he does say isn't terribly
:14:33. > :14:37.inappropriate stuff, and shouldn't say it. But he is a big character
:14:38. > :14:49.and you're going to get that. So, panto villain, really? OK, I will
:14:50. > :14:56.agree with that. Shame, would you train him? No, to be honest, I
:14:57. > :15:00.wouldn't. I don't think we would be able to work together. Maybe a clash
:15:01. > :15:05.of personalities. But I think he is doing good things, he has dethroned
:15:06. > :15:12.Klitschko who has been there for a long time, and it is mixing it up.
:15:13. > :15:14.And it is just the right time for David to come back. Apart from this
:15:15. > :15:16.one problem, which is that David says he would never fight you
:15:17. > :15:22.because he doesn't want to give you the chance of winning those titles
:15:23. > :15:29.stop I don't really care about beating him or not. As long as I
:15:30. > :15:32.have the belt, I am not losing if I don't fight him. Given I have three
:15:33. > :15:35.boxes on the sofa, and as a child, I thought I was a boxer, not in the
:15:36. > :15:41.way you thought you were a boxer, but as in a boxer dog, that is me
:15:42. > :15:45.with Candy. I genuinely looked at her and thought I must look like
:15:46. > :15:53.that. I thought we would test the power of your punch, and I will have
:15:54. > :15:56.a go as well. Don't show me up! It is one of these machines. You think
:15:57. > :16:05.they are safe until you see them really hurt like this.
:16:06. > :16:14.So, bearing that in mind, we shall treat this with respect. David, it
:16:15. > :16:24.is going to cost us too much to ensure you, so you can't do it, but
:16:25. > :16:28.you can help me. Everyone thinks punching is from the arms, but it is
:16:29. > :16:35.from the legs. You have to crouch down and explode through. And this
:16:36. > :16:42.angle is probably better? Aim at my hand here. No, don't put your hand
:16:43. > :16:47.there! We just said, we can't hurt you! Go through the target, all the
:16:48. > :16:55.way through it. There we go! APPLAUSE
:16:56. > :17:03.That is a respectable number. OK, Shane, your go. I will go for
:17:04. > :17:11.the left, because my right hand is a bit sore. It is the momentum!
:17:12. > :17:19.Barry, 902 to beat. CHEERING
:17:20. > :17:26.Kanai reach it? I will try it. You can see the family competitiveness!
:17:27. > :17:34.APPLAUSE CHEERING
:17:35. > :17:45.Shane has it. Let's go back to the sofa, I can take these off.
:17:46. > :17:49.It is time now to welcome our final guest. She has won all for tennis
:17:50. > :17:52.grand slams despite the fact that was claimed she would never be able
:17:53. > :17:59.to play sport. Let's see her in action.
:18:00. > :18:17.WIMBLEDON THEME. Please welcome the only British
:18:18. > :18:30.player to have achieved a calendar Grand Slam, Jordanne Whiley!
:18:31. > :18:31.CHEERING Welcome to the show, and just a
:18:32. > :18:36.quick run through your credits. You are one of only a handful of
:18:37. > :18:43.players to have won a calendar Grand Slam, so all four major titles. You
:18:44. > :18:45.hold the Wimbledon and Australian doubles titles and the US open
:18:46. > :18:50.single title. APPLAUSE
:18:51. > :18:54.So, the last couple of years have been sensational, haven't they?
:18:55. > :18:59.Pretty much. The last 18 months or so was probably the best of my
:19:00. > :19:03.career. It is kind of like a dream come true, because I went from that
:19:04. > :19:06.stage of not really winning much and not being seen as a threat to
:19:07. > :19:12.suddenly winning pretty much everything, so it has been crazy.
:19:13. > :19:16.How did you get started in sport given that the doctors said you
:19:17. > :19:22.shouldn't and couldn't do it? My dad was a former Paralympian, and when I
:19:23. > :19:28.was born, he went into tennis just as a hobby, and I just wanted to be
:19:29. > :19:33.like dad, really. So he took me to a competition in Israel when I was
:19:34. > :19:36.three years old, and I watched him play, and I thought, I can do that.
:19:37. > :19:45.And then someone gave me a racket and ball. How old are you there?
:19:46. > :19:52.Three. With a broken leg. How many bones broken before the age of 12?
:19:53. > :20:02.26. Because of brittle bone disease? Yes, and all in my legs. So tennis
:20:03. > :20:06.wasn't necessarily a safe option. Yes, because the doctor said, keep
:20:07. > :20:10.away from sport. And I said to my parents, there is no way I can keep
:20:11. > :20:13.away from sport. My dad was from a sporting background, and when he saw
:20:14. > :20:17.me trying to take up tennis, he said, you are looking good. He said
:20:18. > :20:23.I was hitting the ball as sweet as in not. We had a brief conversation
:20:24. > :20:26.touching on boxing about the discipline that you need to have, at
:20:27. > :20:30.the same is true in tennis, because you must at times feel very
:20:31. > :20:34.aggressive and you want to just whack the ball, but you have to be
:20:35. > :20:41.patient. Yes, and that is something I have really learned in the last 18
:20:42. > :20:44.stop I used to be really aggressive, because tennis is a really chilled
:20:45. > :20:48.sport, I am not like you going out trying to kill my opponent or
:20:49. > :20:53.anything, but anger management was probably some information. I used to
:20:54. > :20:58.smash up brackets, scream, smack balls out of the court. It wasn't
:20:59. > :21:04.going to get me very far, so it is just learning to control that anger
:21:05. > :21:04.and channel it into your tennis. Read Mike
:21:05. > :21:15.but the skill the skill of what you do. If you put
:21:16. > :21:20.Novak Djokovic into a chair, he wouldn't be able to do what you do.
:21:21. > :21:27.I have seen him try! One of the greatest tennis players of all time.
:21:28. > :21:29.You can have the skills and the shot and the mental side of it, but it is
:21:30. > :21:32.the actual movement of the chair that is key in wheelchair tennis. I
:21:33. > :21:38.guess it is like you with your footwork, you have to be on it. We
:21:39. > :21:41.have to be quick, and we can't use our feet, so our brain isn't
:21:42. > :21:49.connected to something, we have to learn it ourselves. Do you have to
:21:50. > :21:51.anticipate where the ball is going to get to that spot. You can't
:21:52. > :21:58.respond it after the ball has been hit. Yes, and we can't go sideways,
:21:59. > :22:04.so we have to actually turn. Kszczot in wheelchair tennis that is very --
:22:05. > :22:14.a shot in wheelchair tennis that is very effective is the shot behind.
:22:15. > :22:21.Other run the same? Yes, apart from we are allowed to bounces. -- two
:22:22. > :22:26.bounces. You can see here your upper body strength, how strong you are.
:22:27. > :22:32.Yes, it we obviously don't really need our legs, so it is all other
:22:33. > :22:33.body strength. It depends on different people, because they have
:22:34. > :22:41.different disabilities. Myself, I have full core, but some people can
:22:42. > :22:46.be paralysed from here, so they just literally have shoulders. Shoulders
:22:47. > :22:49.is the main thing, we get a lot of injuries because we are, the doing
:22:50. > :22:57.this, and you get rounded shoulders, you have to take good care of your
:22:58. > :22:59.body. So you have four Grand Slam titles, all of which you have one
:23:00. > :23:02.before, two of what you are defending this year, and a
:23:03. > :23:06.Paralympic medal that you got, a bronze in London, the chance of
:23:07. > :23:13.another rate. If you are going to give me a David Haye, I am
:23:14. > :23:21.brilliant, talk, how do you feel? When I woke up on January the 1st, I
:23:22. > :23:23.had a panic about how close it was to the Paralympics. But this is what
:23:24. > :23:28.I have trained for my whole life, and this will bow by -- we might
:23:29. > :23:31.third Paralympics, and I feel like it is time for me to step up, with
:23:32. > :23:38.the great year had the art last year, I am hoping just carry on. If
:23:39. > :23:44.I come back from Rio without a gold medal, I will be seriously angry. So
:23:45. > :23:49.I am going to work really hard this year. I love that, that is fighting
:23:50. > :23:53.talk! And the big bonus this year will be Wimbledon, as well. I am so
:23:54. > :24:00.excited. It has been a long time coming, having singles at Wimbledon,
:24:01. > :24:06.now it is the right time for that. The standard wheelchair tennis is so
:24:07. > :24:07.high now, and to compete there will just be incredible. Everybody wants
:24:08. > :24:15.to be Wimbledon champion, don't they? I do! So that will be high on
:24:16. > :24:18.my list before Rio. So you are involved in promoting your sport in
:24:19. > :24:22.lots of ways, and obviously Paralympic sport more generally, and
:24:23. > :24:28.you are quite prepared to go a long way to help promote your sport, I'm
:24:29. > :24:35.due? I am. I love my sport. I might have taken off a few layers of
:24:36. > :24:39.clothing... It is a great shot, and very artistically done so nothing is
:24:40. > :24:43.revealed in the photo, but you are there in your chair wearing nothing
:24:44. > :24:50.in a room full of stop yes. It was strange, I had never done anything
:24:51. > :24:56.like that before. It was a really fun experience. The photo is
:24:57. > :25:03.amazing. David isn't shy about taking his clothes off, are you?
:25:04. > :25:14.Apparently so. Have you never seen that shot? The best thing, you look
:25:15. > :25:18.like you are on the tube and just haven't got your clothes on! It was
:25:19. > :25:24.for testicular cancer awareness. Any excuse! One of the highlights of the
:25:25. > :25:32.festive season in terms of sports fans was this effort from Mike
:25:33. > :25:43.Tyson. Trying out the gift I think for his daughter. Come on, Mike. You
:25:44. > :25:49.look so cool. Why! That is like a tree being felled, isn't it? Just
:25:50. > :25:56.see it again in slow motion. Did he catch it on the carpet or something?
:25:57. > :26:05.Ouch. Good thing he is a tough guy. Would you have knocked him out in
:26:06. > :26:12.his prime? No. I'm glad you honest about that, because Shane was
:26:13. > :26:20.shaking his head full. Is your pain threshold five? I don't like pain. I
:26:21. > :26:26.like dishing it out. When I have to against really big eyes, the
:26:27. > :26:28.adrenaline is going, it takes the sting out of it. But the next day
:26:29. > :26:31.after the fight, that is the pain. And you can get pain management
:26:32. > :26:37.tips, because your pain threshold is high, isn't it Jordanne? I have been
:26:38. > :26:42.through 26 breaks of my legs, so, it has to be. Some of the worst things
:26:43. > :26:50.that have ever happened, I had two metal rods about this size pulled
:26:51. > :26:53.out of my bone while I was still awake. The doctor said, it isn't
:26:54. > :27:00.going to hurt, it will be fine, and he started yanking it out, and I was
:27:01. > :27:05.the this really hurts. And one time I broke my room while I was playing
:27:06. > :27:09.a match, and it really hurt, I imagine you are getting beat up all
:27:10. > :27:13.the time that in a noncontact sport, that was a big shock to me. I said
:27:14. > :27:20.to my doubles partner and said, I have broken my red Omeyer headed
:27:21. > :27:26.crack. And she said don't you pull out, we are nearly winning! I was
:27:27. > :27:32.playing terribly, but we won in the end. Hard-core. It is so interesting
:27:33. > :27:36.to hear from all of you about your different experiences. I get the
:27:37. > :27:42.sense from Barry and shame that you are loving this moment of David
:27:43. > :27:45.coming back, but Carl Frampton, as well. He is a phenomenal talent, and
:27:46. > :27:51.I think he is going to end up one of the best ever trainers of all time.
:27:52. > :27:55.It is a bold statement, he has a big fight coming up at the end of
:27:56. > :28:00.February, and it is a tough, tough fight. But he is so talented and
:28:01. > :28:07.skilful and disciplined, and I think he will come through with flying
:28:08. > :28:11.colours. You trained him every day. I used a box with him, so I see that
:28:12. > :28:18.transition in helping him achieve his goals, and now our next game is
:28:19. > :28:31.February the 27th. Good luck with that, and David, good luck on
:28:32. > :28:32.January the 16th, and thank you so much, and Jordanne, good luck in
:28:33. > :28:34.Australia, thank you. We have reached the end of the show, but
:28:35. > :28:36.make sure you come back, because next time we have Max Whitlock, one
:28:37. > :28:37.of the nation was my greatest adventurers, Sarah Putin, and ahead
:28:38. > :28:43.of walking seven marathons in seven days, comedienne Jo Brand will be
:28:44. > :28:50.here. A huge thank you to all my guests, thank you to the audience
:28:51. > :28:50.and thank you at home for watching. Good night.
:28:51. > :28:52.APPLAUSE