:00:31. > :00:36.Hello and welcome to the Clare Balding Show. We have a sofa packed
:00:37. > :00:41.with the biggest stars in the world and in my case I mean it literally.
:00:42. > :00:46.He is huge. Whatever you like in sport, we've got it, whether it is
:00:47. > :00:52.speed, explosive power, or accuracy after extreme pressure. Where else
:00:53. > :00:58.would you find Formula 1, darts and rugby union all on one show? Joining
:00:59. > :01:03.me tonight, the boss of the Williams team and the driver whose CV reads
:01:04. > :01:11.41 podium finishes and 11 victories, it is Claire Williams and Felipe
:01:12. > :01:16.Massa! A South African rugby legend who represented his country a record
:01:17. > :01:24.127 times and is widely regarded as one of the best second rowers of all
:01:25. > :01:32.time, Victor Matfield is here. And I am also joined by the newly crowned
:01:33. > :01:41.BDO champions, trainer Oliver and Scott Yates. Our first guests are
:01:42. > :01:47.from Formula 1 royalty, Claire Williams and Felipe Massa!
:01:48. > :02:07.Thank you for being here. Which glamorous location have you flown in
:02:08. > :02:16.from, Felipe? I came from Monaco, I live there. Clare, where have you
:02:17. > :02:23.come from? I came from wanted! I love that. -- Wantage. Your family
:02:24. > :02:28.background is steeped in racing, was there any other interest, or was it
:02:29. > :02:31.always cars? Growing up in the Williams household I couldn't avoid
:02:32. > :02:35.falling in love with Formula 1 but it was never predestined that I
:02:36. > :02:41.would work in Williams, let alone have the job I have, my dad never
:02:42. > :02:45.wanted me working at Williams, it was never the case that I would end
:02:46. > :02:51.up here but I love Formula 1 and cars and I'm pleased to have the job
:02:52. > :02:59.I have. Were your family into it? That's what I wanted to do my whole
:03:00. > :03:05.life. A little boy! That was my first race. How did you get on?
:03:06. > :03:12.Started fifth and finished third. Does that still hurt! It drives you
:03:13. > :03:17.on, all the time! There, your role is managerial and very much running
:03:18. > :03:22.the team but have you ever driven competitively? No, people are very
:03:23. > :03:26.disappointed when I say I've never been in a Formula 1 car but I have
:03:27. > :03:32.no desire to. I properly shouldn't admit it but I think I should leave
:03:33. > :03:37.it to the professionals. Imagine how embarrassingly would be if I smashed
:03:38. > :03:44.up my dad's are! I leave it to the likes of Philly paid -- his car. I'm
:03:45. > :03:52.not sure you and your son are meant to do this, Felipe, on the roof
:03:53. > :04:01.terrace! This is an hour terrace in Monaco. -- an hour terrace. I can
:04:02. > :04:06.just about overtake him. So this is your own furniture you are bringing.
:04:07. > :04:13.My wife is not very happy -- you are reading. Damon Hill said that you
:04:14. > :04:16.had to be bonkers to win Formula 1's Drivers' Championship. Do you think
:04:17. > :04:22.there is an element of truth in that? Maybe a little bit. Does that
:04:23. > :04:32.mean that Lewis Hamilton is bonkers? Yeah! Honest answer, when they crash
:04:33. > :04:38.your car, is your first thought, I hope he's all right, or is it, what
:04:39. > :04:43.has he done to the car, if it isn't a serious accident? They come in
:04:44. > :04:48.quick succession, you know whether your driver is probably all right if
:04:49. > :04:52.he comes on the radio and says he is fine and then you think, how much is
:04:53. > :04:56.that going to cost us. You know everyone at the factory is going to
:04:57. > :05:02.think brilliant, I can do over time next week. The most important thing
:05:03. > :05:06.in all seriousness is safety. You had a horrible crash, didn't you
:05:07. > :05:14.come at the Hungarian Grand Prix. What happened? I was in the
:05:15. > :05:22.qualifying and I finished my lap, I was coming to the garage and Rubens
:05:23. > :05:31.was in front and he lost a spring from his car and it was bouncing and
:05:32. > :05:36.it just came in. So it is bad luck? But also very good luck because I am
:05:37. > :05:41.here, I would say. APPLAUSE
:05:42. > :05:53.What injuries did you suffer from that? This bone here broke, so I had
:05:54. > :06:02.an operation to remove everything from this part here. After that they
:06:03. > :06:09.had to put in a plate to make it strong like the bone. But I didn't
:06:10. > :06:15.have any problem inside, you know! That accident was in 2009. The year
:06:16. > :06:19.before that in 2008 you had won the final race of the season, the
:06:20. > :06:23.Brazilian Grand Prix, your home Grand Prix and for however many
:06:24. > :06:30.seconds you were the world champion. It wasn't enough, actually. Not long
:06:31. > :06:38.enough. Only a few seconds. What happened? Another car was fighting,
:06:39. > :06:42.he was a little bit too slow and Lewis passed him and he won the
:06:43. > :06:48.championship. So Lewis Hamilton won the championship? Do you like him?
:06:49. > :06:53.LAUGHTER I did not like him at that time, for
:06:54. > :06:57.sure! Not him, I didn't like what happened. He's a very good driver,
:06:58. > :07:04.so he deserves every championship he has won. For every driver, how many
:07:05. > :07:12.people do you have in the team making his car go? A tentacle term!
:07:13. > :07:19.Making it go -- technical term. 550 at Williams. Per driver? For the two
:07:20. > :07:26.drivers, to get them both on the grid takes 550 people's efforts and
:07:27. > :07:31.we are by no means the largest team in terms of personnel. Being with
:07:32. > :07:34.another driver with whom you are competitive is interesting and
:07:35. > :07:38.Formula 1 has been renowned per driver is not getting along, whether
:07:39. > :07:41.it is James Hunt and Niki Lauda, or Mark Webber sitting here talking
:07:42. > :07:49.about his relationship with Sebastian Vettel, and Lewis Hamilton
:07:50. > :07:52.and Nico Rosberg. How do you manage that and are there drivers you know
:07:53. > :07:59.you couldn't be a team-mate with because you wouldn't get on?
:08:00. > :08:03.LAUGHTER I think the most important thing,
:08:04. > :08:07.you need to be professional. I'm always working well with my
:08:08. > :08:11.team-mates. But for sure you are very competitive, you want to be in
:08:12. > :08:15.front and do everything you can to beat him, not just him but all of
:08:16. > :08:19.the other drivers you are competing with. But in terms of team
:08:20. > :08:24.management, that has to be one of the toughest things, not just not
:08:25. > :08:30.standing the sight of each other but actually wanting to kill each other!
:08:31. > :08:34.Fortunately I have done that haven't had that experience, we are
:08:35. > :08:40.fortunate that Felipe and Valtteri get along. The Constructors'
:08:41. > :08:43.Championship is important and it is good for us that they get that. You
:08:44. > :08:47.need to work on your body language Elizabeth! LAUGHTER
:08:48. > :09:03.That's pretty good, you should put up a photo of Lewis and Nico. We
:09:04. > :09:07.have, don't worry. He is talking more now. Williams have won nine
:09:08. > :09:12.Constructors' Championships now, what do you need to win number ten?
:09:13. > :09:15.We have to keep working harder and smarter because we don't have the
:09:16. > :09:20.budget of the teams who can plough in a huge amount of resources, the
:09:21. > :09:24.likes of Mercedes and Ferrari have but it's three times the size of
:09:25. > :09:31.ours. They are racing with 300 million a year. If we can't
:09:32. > :09:36.accumulate that... I'm sorry, what is the prize money for winning the
:09:37. > :09:40.Grand Prix? It isn't done per race, it is done where you finish in the
:09:41. > :09:48.championship. What is the prize for winning the constructors? It is kind
:09:49. > :09:54.of top-secret, Bernie would... Might not kill me, but he wouldn't talk to
:09:55. > :09:59.me. So it isn't a case of saying we have won this and we can spend this?
:10:00. > :10:03.50% of our income comes from the prize money and the remaining we
:10:04. > :10:08.have defined in sponsorship. We are on the eve of the 2016 season, do
:10:09. > :10:12.you set out with an ambition, order you take it as it comes? We want to
:10:13. > :10:19.do everything we can to be there in front. It isn't easy but I really
:10:20. > :10:25.believe we can do better in 2016. Can you be the world champion Raster
:10:26. > :10:33.Mark yes, for sure. -- the world champion? Yes, for sure. It is time
:10:34. > :10:38.to introduce our next guest, a South African rugby legend who has
:10:39. > :10:44.appeared in 127 matches for the Springboks, he has appeared at four
:10:45. > :10:48.World Cups, winning player of the tournament in 2007 when South Africa
:10:49. > :10:51.won the trophy. Davies and gentlemen, Victor Matfield. --
:10:52. > :11:14.ladies and gentlemen. Wow, that has changed the shape on
:11:15. > :11:20.the sofa! You are very big! How much does size matter in rugby union?
:11:21. > :11:25.Well, I'm feeling very intimidated sitting next to the great Felipe
:11:26. > :11:28.Massa here, so I don't know if size really matters but yes, there are
:11:29. > :11:29.some big boys in the game, especially the younger kids today,
:11:30. > :11:44.they huge. -- they argued. -- they are huge. That, stand up. I
:11:45. > :11:53.think it would be difficult for you to race in Formula 1. Do you think I
:11:54. > :11:58.can play rugby? You can, that's what is about, everyone can play. There
:11:59. > :12:01.are big guys playing in the second row and there are also small guys.
:12:02. > :12:06.The scrum-half players are the really small ones. How is your body
:12:07. > :12:12.holding up because you are recovering from an injury? Yes, I
:12:13. > :12:20.had a knock last week and I broke my nose and got a bit of concussion. He
:12:21. > :12:24.has a steel plate in his forehead! You have recovered really well
:12:25. > :12:31.because if that was only a couple of weeks ago... You have now retired
:12:32. > :12:36.from international rugby. When you look back at your international
:12:37. > :12:39.career, the 2007 World Cup win, you were the player of the tournament,
:12:40. > :12:47.man of the match in the final. You can't get better than that. No, it
:12:48. > :12:52.was really special. After that I went to Toulon in France to go and
:12:53. > :12:57.play, make some money in France and after about four months I told my
:12:58. > :13:02.wife I wanted to go back to sub Africa and win more trophies with
:13:03. > :13:07.South Africa. -- South Africa. What did she say? She wasn't very happy,
:13:08. > :13:11.I went back for one third I could have been paid but I am so
:13:12. > :13:18.competitive and I love Springboks rugby and what it stands for, so I
:13:19. > :13:22.wanted to go back and do it. So interesting, the World Cup, the
:13:23. > :13:26.emergence of a country like Japan. I'm sorry, I know. I realise
:13:27. > :13:33.obviously that they beat you, and it was the biggest shock in World Cup
:13:34. > :13:40.history ever. But good for the game? Yes... LAUGHTER
:13:41. > :13:45.A view of our guys play in Japan and they said that they know what they
:13:46. > :13:49.are doing, coached by Eddie Jones, who knows us very well. It's going
:13:50. > :13:54.to be a tough game. I was one of the few guys who was thinking, this is
:13:55. > :13:59.Japan, come on. A bit arrogant but that was our thoughts, they can be
:14:00. > :14:04.good. They played really well. When we went through the game afterwards,
:14:05. > :14:09.we didn't play that badly. We did our best, but they played really
:14:10. > :14:15.well on the day, things worked for them and yes, a very famous game.
:14:16. > :14:17.So, Eddie Jones, he is now the England coach. What is he like and
:14:18. > :14:29.is he the right man for England? He was outstanding for us in 2007.
:14:30. > :14:34.He knows the game. He is a very knowledgeable guy. He is probably
:14:35. > :14:39.the one guy who can get England back on track again. I don't understand
:14:40. > :14:47.how Argentina and Uruguay have a rugby team but Brazil do not
:14:48. > :14:55.feature. We have a team. People like rugby in Brazil. You could start
:14:56. > :14:59.this! The first Brazilian scrum-half! When pundits and fans
:15:00. > :15:03.get together to discuss the best team in the world, you are nearly
:15:04. > :15:07.always on that list. Part of the reason you are playing in a
:15:08. > :15:12.line-out. It is not just about your height. One of the elements in the
:15:13. > :15:19.line-outs are the calls. The fact that there is a code. You do not
:15:20. > :15:25.have to give away anything. Would you choose fruit, vegetables or
:15:26. > :15:31.politicians? Green backdrop -- In the beginning we used Afrikaans. One
:15:32. > :15:38.of our coaches went to Ireland and they helped them to speak Afrikaans,
:15:39. > :15:44.so it did not go well that weekend. Have you ever shouted salsa? If you
:15:45. > :15:55.do, this is what happens. Salsa!
:15:56. > :16:04.The other team is going, what are they doing? May we can do the salsa
:16:05. > :16:11.after New Zealand do the Haka! We can hear everything the teams are
:16:12. > :16:16.saying to the drivers. Do you ever use cold? We have different codes
:16:17. > :16:23.for different things. Then we have some really obvious things. Let's
:16:24. > :16:30.stick to the original plan. Let's go to plan B. Everybody knows what the
:16:31. > :16:34.original plan is going to be. I will listen to it and sometimes I will
:16:35. > :16:39.go, what on earth are they talking about, if nobody tells me the code
:16:40. > :16:51.beforehand. Have you ever misunderstood the cold? No! Have you
:16:52. > :16:59.ever ignored the cold? Yes! You have now joined Northampton. How
:17:00. > :17:03.are you enjoying life in the UK? I must say the first few weeks you
:17:04. > :17:07.just want to get into things, you are very much on the side listening
:17:08. > :17:12.to how they do things. I have enjoyed the last few weeks. I hope
:17:13. > :17:17.we can win a trophy this year and hopefully I can play a part. What is
:17:18. > :17:22.it about British life that you have enjoyed discovering? I am still
:17:23. > :17:32.waiting for the snow. I would enjoy that. Have you ever seen snow? I
:17:33. > :17:40.have put my kids have not. Do you spend much time in the UK? Yes. I
:17:41. > :17:47.like it. I don't like the weather. Do you like the food? Yes, I like...
:17:48. > :17:56.It depends where I go. Do you give your driver a guide, published to
:17:57. > :18:03.avoid etc? No. They went on a big pub crawl, Felipe and the engineers.
:18:04. > :18:09.If you are late you have to pay a fine. If Felipe is five minutes
:18:10. > :18:14.late, he has to pay 500 quid. They collect this over the year and then
:18:15. > :18:29.they go out on a massive pub crawl in London. I was taking care of the
:18:30. > :18:36.guys. They like to drink a lot. It is time to welcome my final guest,
:18:37. > :18:37.the newly crowned 2016 BDO world darts champions, Trina Gulliver and
:18:38. > :19:04.Scott waits. -- Scott Waites. With their trophies. Fantastic.
:19:05. > :19:11.Congratulations both of you. Scott, a second for you, Trina, a 10th.
:19:12. > :19:19.Extraordinary. Amazing. Have you ever watched darts? I don't watch
:19:20. > :19:24.but I know what it is. Every time we come to the UK we watch it. We tried
:19:25. > :19:34.so hard to get to one of the events but unfortunately we could not. I
:19:35. > :19:41.want to go dance! It is brilliant. I have been. It is mega. I have not
:19:42. > :19:49.seen Felipe. We are going to go. You now have new fans. Let's look at how
:19:50. > :19:52.you won your titles. This is you checking out for a 3-2 victory
:19:53. > :20:28.against Geeta Hedman. Trina Gulliver! There are tears of
:20:29. > :20:35.joy or player. A champion for a record 10th time.
:20:36. > :20:44.APPLAUSE. Amazing performance. You were very emotional. I was. I did
:20:45. > :20:50.not think a 10th was ever going to come. My ninth was in 2011. It has
:20:51. > :20:55.been five years when I have not done it. Was that because your level was
:20:56. > :21:08.dropping of the others were becoming better? Both. In 2012 my mum was my
:21:09. > :21:13.biggest fan. And in 2012 she passed away just before I played at
:21:14. > :21:19.Lakeside. She said, wherever I am at that point in time you must go and
:21:20. > :21:23.defend your title. And she said the rest of the family had to go as
:21:24. > :21:32.well. I honoured that. But it has been difficult. But the standard of
:21:33. > :21:42.the ladies is higher as well. Was that I am part of the emotion in
:21:43. > :21:49.winning? Yes. Scott... Boo don't start me off. Scott, your final, in
:21:50. > :21:55.many ways it was the easiest of the lot. You had some tough battles to
:21:56. > :21:57.get there but in the final you won 7-1.
:21:58. > :22:01.He is struggling with shoulder trouble. He is back to full fitness.
:22:02. > :22:07.He is struggling with shoulder He is back to his best. And he is
:22:08. > :22:17.world champion once again. Scott Waites wins.
:22:18. > :22:26.The final did go your way, didn't it? Yes, it did. That is the first
:22:27. > :22:30.time I have actually seen that. Jeff played well. He played also more
:22:31. > :22:38.weak and for some reason he did not play as well. In the quarterfinal, I
:22:39. > :22:44.went to the gym because it is January, and I was on the elliptical
:22:45. > :22:49.trainer watching the darts and I was watching you. You are down and out.
:22:50. > :22:55.You started coming back. 40 minutes later I am still there! It was an
:22:56. > :23:00.amazing match. The crowd were massively behind you. I have never
:23:01. > :23:07.heard the crowd so loud. It was phenomenal. It was just like a jet
:23:08. > :23:16.engine. It must've been louder than a Ferrari! Sorry!
:23:17. > :23:22.When you were winning your first world titles, the TV coverage did
:23:23. > :23:29.not pay any attention to the women's game. You never got a sense of your
:23:30. > :23:33.progress. And sometimes the crowd would not all state. Now everybody
:23:34. > :23:42.is locked in. They are not literally locked in. No, they are unlocked in!
:23:43. > :23:46.The atmosphere is great. They do stay. We are getting more media
:23:47. > :23:52.attention for the ladies, which is great. That is a real big step
:23:53. > :23:58.forward. Are you allowed to talk about how much money you get? No, I
:23:59. > :24:07.can tell you how much I got. Being British I don't like talking about
:24:08. > :24:13.money. Scott got ?100,000. I got 12. And that is an improvement. A big
:24:14. > :24:17.improvement from what it used to be. It is going up. But it is not the
:24:18. > :24:23.same. We are not asking for the same. We are asking for something
:24:24. > :24:34.relevant. There are 14 men and 16 ladies. Percentages out. You are now
:24:35. > :24:39.a full-time darts player. I am but I also keep my hand in with the
:24:40. > :24:43.carpentry. Just the occasional job. Scott, you were straight back to
:24:44. > :24:52.work after winning your title. You are a carpenter and joiner by trade.
:24:53. > :24:58.Yes. I managed to get a day's holiday today. We had Eddie Edwards
:24:59. > :25:03.on the show. He is a plasterer. I asked him if when he shows up for
:25:04. > :25:09.jobs people know who he is. Some of them do and some are none the wiser.
:25:10. > :25:14.Do people know it is you? Definitely. In my van I carry a load
:25:15. > :25:23.of pictures. I am forever signing autographs. Whether they wanted to
:25:24. > :25:30.or not! Keep the kids away from the fire. You have grown up around cars
:25:31. > :25:37.but there is one aspect of driving you struggle with, isn't there? I
:25:38. > :25:41.cant reverse! I really can't. And I cannot parallel park. I am really
:25:42. > :25:49.good at driving in a straight line. But yes, so my boyfriend tends to
:25:50. > :26:08.drive. But thank you for sharing. Do you let your wife drive? No. Never?
:26:09. > :26:11.She drives, yet, sometimes. -- yes. She was complains because sometimes
:26:12. > :26:16.she stops and then the traffic lights go green and then she is
:26:17. > :26:23.stopping and I say go. Then she goes and then we stop again and she is
:26:24. > :26:34.already thinking and I say, go. So we always... You are so lucky she is
:26:35. > :26:39.never going to see this programme! Do not drive with Felipe. Have we
:26:40. > :26:52.been in a car with -- before? Being in a car with a racing driver is an
:26:53. > :26:56.experience. Brilliant. It was my little brother's christening and his
:26:57. > :27:00.godfather, an Williams driver was in the car. I went in the car. We were
:27:01. > :27:08.following mum and dad in the front. The driver put a week on the
:27:09. > :27:13.accelerator and put his legs out the window and decided to overtake my
:27:14. > :27:19.parents. I am in the car going, hang on! I thought the whole thing was
:27:20. > :27:26.wonderful. Racing drivers are a little bonkers. No! I would never do
:27:27. > :27:35.that. Are you a good driver? I am all right. The trouble is your wife
:27:36. > :27:40.is going to see this, I suspect. Are you sure you don't want to say
:27:41. > :27:50.something else? She is a lovely girl. Scott, who do you like to have
:27:51. > :27:53.there to support you? My girlfriend comes around. She is really
:27:54. > :27:59.supportive. My old man comes down as well. You will always see him
:28:00. > :28:04.because he is always wearing the silliest shirt possible. I have won
:28:05. > :28:10.three finals with him wearing his Mickey Mouse shirt. He doesn't half
:28:11. > :28:16.Lockette plonker. My wife Sue is there for me. She is a good player
:28:17. > :28:21.in our own right. She comes on tour a lot with me and plays in a lot of
:28:22. > :28:25.competitions. Do you play against each other? We have done, yes. She
:28:26. > :28:33.has beaten me on a couple of occasions. Just the twice. How many
:28:34. > :28:40.times have you played? 400! We have reached the end of the show. Next
:28:41. > :28:45.time I will be joined by Jimmy White am a Rachel and Gee Atherton and top
:28:46. > :28:49.rugby referee Nigel Owens. Thanks to Claire Williams, Felipe Massa,
:28:50. > :28:52.Victor Maitland, Scott Waites and Trina Gulliver.
:28:53. > :28:57.Goodbye.