:00:40. > :00:44.Welcome to the Premier League show, back after a short winter break.
:00:45. > :00:48.Joining me this week to reflect on the big stories are an uneasy
:00:49. > :00:54.alliance of former Liverpool midfielder Danny Murphy and comedian
:00:55. > :00:58.and Manchester United fan Justin Moorhouse. Gary Lineker travels to
:00:59. > :01:02.Stoke to meet up with his old Barcelona team-mate Mark Hughes. We
:01:03. > :01:06.hear from Paul Pogba ahead of Manchester United against Liverpool.
:01:07. > :01:13.We look at the anatomy of a rivalry and we reflect on the passing of a
:01:14. > :01:17.legend. Talk to him. Why we have been on a hiatus, football hasn't,
:01:18. > :01:25.is what has been going on in Premier League. Another defeat. Link WSDL
:01:26. > :01:33.Palace. Alan Pardew has been sacked as manager. Mkhitaryan, what a
:01:34. > :01:42.finish that is. Brilliantly put away by Pedro. No matter how we start
:01:43. > :01:58.again, we find a way to go down and pay the price. Could this be another
:01:59. > :02:09.one? It is. It is a goal. A 13th consecutive win. We are proud.
:02:10. > :02:23.Headed in Elliot Lee. -- brilliantly. Dele Alli. Dele Alli
:02:24. > :02:32.gets his second of the game. Basically killed us, a big mistake.
:02:33. > :02:43.Fernandinho, it is a red card. You are the journalist, not me. Marco
:02:44. > :03:02.Silvestri is the new Hull boss. -- Marco Silva. If he was to leave, I
:03:03. > :03:07.would be angry. It is 2-0. Welcome, we have managed to find a cosy spot
:03:08. > :03:10.not far from Craven Cottage, your old stomping ground, just round the
:03:11. > :03:14.corner from Stamford Bridge as well. Things wobbled after the 13 match
:03:15. > :03:20.winning run over the Christmas period. It all came to an end at
:03:21. > :03:24.White Hart Lane. Thankfully for the Premier League. For the
:03:25. > :03:28.competitiveness of it. It did, what a performance it was from Tottenham.
:03:29. > :03:32.I thought they were fantastic. They showed in that performance and the
:03:33. > :03:37.one against Manchester city that they will be competing as well. From
:03:38. > :03:41.back to front, they were brilliant. Dele Alli, for his age, keeps
:03:42. > :03:45.amazing us with those brilliant conformance is and the goals he is
:03:46. > :03:50.now scoring. Well done Spurs and the title race is on again. They didn't
:03:51. > :03:55.start the season with the same meant from a team that came so close last
:03:56. > :04:00.season. They seem to be getting into their stride now. Some great young
:04:01. > :04:05.players. I agree with everything, he said they are good back to front, I
:04:06. > :04:13.think they are better front to back to be honest. You have not brought
:04:14. > :04:18.me in for the expert analysis. I think every neutral wanted that gap
:04:19. > :04:22.to be maintained at three or four points, not extending to six or
:04:23. > :04:26.eight points. As a fan it has been fascinating watch Chelsea march on
:04:27. > :04:32.and grind out results like they used to. But they won 13 games on the
:04:33. > :04:37.bounce and were only six points clear. Which shows the quality of
:04:38. > :04:43.the top six. You could put everybody's top four is in that top
:04:44. > :04:47.six. It is the familiar top six. Last year was clearly a blip, no one
:04:48. > :04:53.outside the top six is thinking they can break in easily, money talks. It
:04:54. > :04:56.does. The quality that has been brought in and the new managers and
:04:57. > :05:01.the money that has been spent. The brilliant thing is you will get
:05:02. > :05:05.these six teams playing each other. So many games to look forward to in
:05:06. > :05:10.the next couple of months. The games between the top sides have already
:05:11. > :05:15.been entertaining. No bigger coming up at the weekend than Liverpool and
:05:16. > :05:21.United. You do feel that it is hard to predict the top six encounters.
:05:22. > :05:25.Chelsea against Manchester city, Man City can lose, even with Guardiola.
:05:26. > :05:30.That gives it a wonderful competitive edge. City did win ten
:05:31. > :05:38.games on the bounce but they are still in the top six after a blip.
:05:39. > :05:44.You would be hard-pressed to think anyone would think this would be not
:05:45. > :05:49.the top six at the end of the season. I think United could have a
:05:50. > :05:53.significant impact on the top six. In the summer of 1986, Barcelona
:05:54. > :05:58.boss Terry Venables signed Mark Hughes and Gary Lineker to be his
:05:59. > :06:02.new look front line. 30 years later, Gary has travelled to slightly less
:06:03. > :06:18.exotic Stoke to catch up with his old strike partner.
:06:19. > :06:28.Hello young man. I've only come for the weather, beautiful. I think you
:06:29. > :06:42.are winning on the great front. And the beard actually. Not seen you for
:06:43. > :06:52.a while. When not kids any more. Mark, it is over 30 years, July 1986
:06:53. > :06:55.was when we signed for Barcelona. I have a few snippets and clips to
:06:56. > :07:16.have a look at. I will leave you to translate.
:07:17. > :07:23."Barcelona Manager at Terry Gornell is assigned to English strikers to
:07:24. > :07:27.boost is teams campaign." I was a young 23, in years and probably
:07:28. > :07:37.attitude to life. It was hard work for me. I think your attitude helped
:07:38. > :07:40.you succeed better than I did. My debut coming up. Lineker and Hughes
:07:41. > :07:50.helped make it a winning start for Terry Venables. I remember it
:07:51. > :08:01.because I scored after two minutes. Usual, three yards out. Based a
:08:02. > :08:07.career on it. Your personality and how you was as a player. He is off
:08:08. > :08:11.with a red card. And how you are off the field is entirely different. You
:08:12. > :08:16.were a very aggressive footballer. And you are quite a calm and
:08:17. > :08:20.laid-back individual, especially for a manager. I'm never going to be
:08:21. > :08:26.life and soul of the party. At times, yes. I have two distinct
:08:27. > :08:30.personalities, as a player I was completely different. Maybe that's
:08:31. > :08:35.how I was able to express myself as a person more readily than maybe off
:08:36. > :08:39.the field. I think this role tests you. It makes you do things and
:08:40. > :08:45.takes you out of your comfort zone. To stand in front of 25 grown men
:08:46. > :08:54.and make them believe what you are saying is true. Do you ever lose it
:08:55. > :09:01.in front of those 25 individuals? What do you think? We had Terry
:09:02. > :09:09.Venables as coach of course. He was great, I liked him as a guy and he
:09:10. > :09:23.knew the game very well. He knows this is his responsibility. The
:09:24. > :09:27.translator gave him a terrible time. You get to that four yards, but the
:09:28. > :09:33.brakes on and when you shop him, go again. He is actually talking about
:09:34. > :09:39.forward pressing which is interesting. Clearly you have
:09:40. > :09:46.completely switched off there, I am not far behind you there. Gary has
:09:47. > :09:53.the angle to cut that off. He was head of the time, we talk about the
:09:54. > :09:58.high press now. Sylla macro it is interesting to see what they say.
:09:59. > :10:02.When you see someone like Terry working, you forget about what
:10:03. > :10:12.happened when you under his tutelage. That looks a bit of a mess
:10:13. > :10:17.really. Goes around the goalkeeper and makes it 4-1. I worked with a
:10:18. > :10:22.few managers, interesting to see how they all very in how they approach
:10:23. > :10:28.defeats, does it affect your mood badly over the weekend if you lose
:10:29. > :10:33.on Saturday? It shapes your week. One quality I've got that I'm
:10:34. > :10:38.grateful for is that when I get home, I can shut the door and I can
:10:39. > :10:46.switch off. My experience with other managers is that it is quite rare. I
:10:47. > :10:49.don't toss and turn in bed thinking about formations, that is something
:10:50. > :11:00.I am grateful for, not many managers have that. You used to live there.
:11:01. > :11:13.That was my good lady. This is after you scored that hat-trick. Against
:11:14. > :11:18.real Madrid. What do you miss most? They would ring me every Sunday
:11:19. > :11:28.afternoon to make me feel better. Saying they are having a pint. You
:11:29. > :11:32.had trials and should relations. At Barcelona and Bayern Munich, did it
:11:33. > :11:37.help you nowadays because you get so many foreign players when you are
:11:38. > :11:42.managing. Without a shadow of a doubt. Going back to those
:11:43. > :11:47.experiences helps me when I'm speaking to players here. I use it
:11:48. > :11:53.when I try to acquire good players. It is always useful to say that you
:11:54. > :12:01.have played for Barcelona and Bayern Munich. They can't a member me
:12:02. > :12:17.playing but they checked Google to see if I am telling the truth.
:12:18. > :12:35.That is my attitude, completely the wrong way to embrace the culture of
:12:36. > :12:39.another country. I regret to this day that I didn't break it. When you
:12:40. > :12:43.go abroad, you have to go with the mindset that you want to stay there
:12:44. > :12:46.as long as you can. If you do that, you can be successful and give
:12:47. > :12:52.yourself time to understand different cultures and languages and
:12:53. > :12:56.you can get a better experience. My attitude was to do it for a couple
:12:57. > :13:01.of years and see how I go and then get back home. At Stoke you have
:13:02. > :13:05.been in the top ten for three years running, do you get the credit you
:13:06. > :13:10.deserve for that? You had to change the style of play as well?
:13:11. > :13:19.Bill-macro it is not for me to say. That is what it is. As a club, to
:13:20. > :13:26.get ninth for three seasons running is an unbelievable result. Did you
:13:27. > :13:29.think you were unfairly treated at Manchester city? Big-money was
:13:30. > :13:33.coming in and they wanted a big name from somewhere else. To be must be
:13:34. > :13:40.thinking you would have won all sorts of things. It was always going
:13:41. > :13:43.to happen. I was close to being fired on three occasions, I was
:13:44. > :13:47.unaware of the first two but then I finally had a bad result. They will
:13:48. > :13:51.always going to replacement, I always understood that. I probably
:13:52. > :13:53.lasted longer than they thought I was going to. I take that as a
:13:54. > :14:20.positive. Spanish guys talking... This should
:14:21. > :14:28.be interesting! Show we stop there? -- shall we stop there? Nothing
:14:29. > :14:34.changes, does that! Everyone has a view! Everyone knows best! What is
:14:35. > :14:40.the best that Stoke City can do? If you look at the top six as it stands
:14:41. > :14:46.that is difficult. The best would be to do a Leicester. Perhaps to win
:14:47. > :14:50.that middle league. We are talking top six and there's a gap to
:14:51. > :14:55.seventh, why can't we be seventh? And on any given year when things
:14:56. > :15:00.fall in place maybe we can get into the top six and see where that takes
:15:01. > :15:04.us. Certainly we should always look to be an established top tens side
:15:05. > :15:09.which is what I I got this job, I felt there was potential in the club
:15:10. > :15:19.but year on year on year it is and more difficult. -- it is getting
:15:20. > :15:21.more and more difficult. It is great to see you again. I wish you well.
:15:22. > :15:39.You're doing quite well, well done! I lurve the use of archive footage,
:15:40. > :15:46.looking back on those early days and Barcelona. You played under him at
:15:47. > :15:51.full, what is he like as a bloke? I got on with him really, really well.
:15:52. > :15:56.Good sense of humour, stern when he wants to be, he has a bit of a
:15:57. > :15:59.temper, there's no doubt about that, stands back in the training, lets
:16:00. > :16:05.Eddie and Mark get on with it, come in when he wants to make a point,
:16:06. > :16:09.likes to join in and show off his volleying techniques. He was great
:16:10. > :16:14.with me. You've got to work hard for him. He demands a hell of a lot. You
:16:15. > :16:18.can see that with his Stoke team and he has done really well to move them
:16:19. > :16:23.forward while playing in a bit of a different way, credit to him, he's
:16:24. > :16:28.done a good job. We've talked of the top six and if you look at the next
:16:29. > :16:32.band of clubs he has cemented stoke there, they've finished ninth in the
:16:33. > :16:41.last three seasons. It's difficult for teams like Stoke. There is not
:16:42. > :16:47.that much it is Stoke. They are not the... I've got a theory, Danny will
:16:48. > :16:55.probably pooh-pooh it but it is hard. To do better than they will
:16:56. > :17:01.ever do. Because people say, Johnny foreigner has come in, he's done it
:17:02. > :17:05.at Real Sociedad but can he do it on a wet Wednesday at Stoke? So every
:17:06. > :17:11.Carlos Bacca Ball who comes in house to raise their game at Stoke! And as
:17:12. > :17:16.a compliment to him, I've done it on Tuesday and Wednesday and it's hard
:17:17. > :17:20.work! Actually the budget has gone up and they've brought in a better
:17:21. > :17:26.quality player, in terms of Arnautovic, and Bojan. I think they
:17:27. > :17:32.are doing as well as they will ever do. He said seventh. It feels odd
:17:33. > :17:36.seeing someone like Mark Hughes who was so competitive and played for
:17:37. > :17:41.the very best, having to almost concede that he cannot win the
:17:42. > :17:46.league. It's probably practical and good for Stoke. If they finished
:17:47. > :17:51.seventh, possibly six, I think that's what they look for. You would
:17:52. > :17:57.have to ask a Stoke fan but I think they are a very well-run club. They
:17:58. > :18:01.make the best of... What other club in the world deliberately don't fill
:18:02. > :18:06.the corners in to make it windy in the stadium? Just to make it more
:18:07. > :18:11.difficult to play! I know that you are both looking forward to this,
:18:12. > :18:15.Manchester United face Liverpool this Sunday and who better to get us
:18:16. > :18:21.in the mood for this and the world's most expensive player? COMMENTATOR:
:18:22. > :18:31.What a header by Paul Pogba. Brilliant strike.
:18:32. > :18:37.How is life back at Manchester United, how would you describe it?
:18:38. > :18:44.Life is good, we enjoy it, every moment. Just enjoy it. Is it
:18:45. > :18:52.everything you thought it would be? I knew it would be like that. The
:18:53. > :18:55.weather didn't change! One say Manchester United versus Liverpool
:18:56. > :19:02.at Old Trafford does that sent a shiver down your spine? The history
:19:03. > :19:06.of Liverpool and Manchester United, big derby, more than Manchester City
:19:07. > :19:11.I think because the way you feel, the atmosphere is more. I want to
:19:12. > :19:16.win, I want three points. It is good to win three points against Stoke
:19:17. > :19:24.City, any team in the league, doing even better, it is better when you
:19:25. > :19:29.win three points against Liverpool because it is the Derby communal.
:19:30. > :19:40.Hear more from Paul Pogba on football focus on Saturday. Before
:19:41. > :19:47.this week's game we asked Ivo Graham for his unique take on rivalries.
:19:48. > :19:53.# Life is a struggle, baby you've got to choose... #.
:19:54. > :19:58.As a football fan nothing set the pulse racing like the phrase Clash
:19:59. > :20:01.of titans. The beautiful thing about the Premier League, the greatest
:20:02. > :20:06.league in the world trademark, is that you loads of these every
:20:07. > :20:11.weekend. This Sunday we are gearing up for the most heavily hyped title
:20:12. > :20:18.clash of all, Manchester United against Liverpool. We came, we saw,
:20:19. > :20:25.we kicked their backside! I should say early doors that I'm a neutral
:20:26. > :20:28.for this one. Both clubs have attracted a good few glory hunters
:20:29. > :20:35.over the years mainly because they've had more glory than anyone
:20:36. > :20:41.else, Liverpool, 19 years leading up to my birth, Manchester United the
:20:42. > :20:47.22 years leading up to the loss of my virginity. Oh yes, I was one of
:20:48. > :20:51.those cheering them on while clutching my copy of one of the most
:20:52. > :20:57.confusingly narrated sports memoirs of all time. But then I started
:20:58. > :21:01.something that would cause an even more pain than their emission of May
:21:02. > :21:05.from the squad, my long-time relationship with my home team,
:21:06. > :21:10.Swindon Town. In the years I've been following them they've slipped down
:21:11. > :21:13.the division weathermen excitement now comes from Brussels with the
:21:14. > :21:25.Auld enemy, Oxford United in the a 24 Derby. Police are hunting for
:21:26. > :21:29.vandals who broke into the Oxford ground on the weekend and burned the
:21:30. > :21:37.initials of their rivals into the ground. It is never we hate Reading,
:21:38. > :21:42.it is always, we hate Oxford. I hate the Derby but I would say that
:21:43. > :21:46.because we always lose. You have to tell yourself it doesn't matter, we
:21:47. > :21:51.are to clap teams linked by one clap Rd, it does not matter who gets the
:21:52. > :21:56.come, we are both still bored. That's the thing about lower league
:21:57. > :21:59.derbies, passionate and Betty. Something to boast about apart from
:22:00. > :22:06.having the most famous miniature roundabout complex in the UK. Of
:22:07. > :22:10.course I will watch Manchester United against Liverpool this
:22:11. > :22:15.weekend, it is the big one, both great teams trying to knock each
:22:16. > :22:18.other of some nonspecific perch. But in three weeks' time and fifth
:22:19. > :22:24.February I'll be here, at the County Ground for my own personal big one,
:22:25. > :22:28.Swindon versus Oxford, the clash of the non-Titans, not about who is the
:22:29. > :22:33.best but who is the worst. All of the hatred, none of the hope. At the
:22:34. > :22:38.very least, please let us get a draw! You will be relieved to know
:22:39. > :22:43.I'm not going to ask you anything about these and- Oxford rivalry but
:22:44. > :22:46.there's a big rivalry this weekend on the hotly anticipated much
:22:47. > :22:52.always, Liverpool versus Manchester United and you have special memories
:22:53. > :22:57.of playing in these games. How long have you got? Strap yourselves in.
:22:58. > :23:02.He'll be dining out on his three goals a game. I know you are never
:23:03. > :23:14.asked about them! Old Trafford became a fantastic place for me for
:23:15. > :23:17.many reasons, I made my England debut there, but the winners I got
:23:18. > :23:19.for Liverpool there were always special, growing up as a Liverpool
:23:20. > :23:22.fan. The second came from a selfish point of view, the late winner. The
:23:23. > :23:25.previous couple of games I hadn't been playing very well and that kind
:23:26. > :23:29.of turned things around a bit for me, coming off at the end, the
:23:30. > :23:33.supporters, and Stevie was the captain for the night, personally
:23:34. > :23:38.that meant a lot to me. And the first that the club, United have
:23:39. > :23:43.been so successful, ten years we hadn't won at Old Trafford and that
:23:44. > :23:48.first one kind of put that to bed. We did OK against them. It is my
:23:49. > :23:52.best memory of playing football, going there and winning games,
:23:53. > :23:56.because of the fact that they were the best. If you try to rationalise
:23:57. > :24:00.this to someone who is not a football fan and doesn't understand,
:24:01. > :24:03.would they think this logical, there are other teams, why focus on them?
:24:04. > :24:32.It's almost always about these two periods in history,
:24:33. > :24:35.the dominance of the teams and it will never change, that intense
:24:36. > :24:37.dislike. I grew up watching football in the late 19th 70s and the early
:24:38. > :24:40.1980s and Liverpool were the best team in the country and in Europe,
:24:41. > :24:43.for periods, and they were close enough to us to be almost a derby
:24:44. > :24:46.rival but far enough away that you did not know many of them, which was
:24:47. > :24:49.thankful! You said you grew up! When Fergie came in 1986, that was his
:24:50. > :24:52.thing, his job, he was going to knock them off their perch, that was
:24:53. > :24:54.a clarion call to us, and do you know we are over obsessed with
:24:55. > :24:58.Liverpool and they are over obsessed with United. Your big memory? Live
:24:59. > :25:03.and John O'Shea scoring the winner at the Kop in the 90th minute. I
:25:04. > :25:08.heard afterwards that Gary Neville hoped him and whispered to him, you
:25:09. > :25:14.have stolen my dream. And that dream was my dream and the dream of every
:25:15. > :25:18.kid who grew up wanting to be a Manchester United manner, to score
:25:19. > :25:24.the winning goal at the Kop in the 90th minute. Does it carry on until
:25:25. > :25:30.the next time you meet? It wasn't until about to stick you have to
:25:31. > :25:35.wait until the area has been evacuated! -- it wasn't until about
:25:36. > :25:40.Tuesday that I could leave! I know a view Liverpool fans. Why do some
:25:41. > :25:44.outreach work! You can confers with them once you've got over the
:25:45. > :25:50.language barrier and you have stopped showing off about use, they
:25:51. > :25:54.are all right. And now we have these two great characters, Jose Mourinho
:25:55. > :25:58.and Jurgen Klopp, it means a lot to them, they get their history. They
:25:59. > :26:05.both love the game. You can feel that question. It's like having a
:26:06. > :26:08.fan on the touchline. Jurgen Klopp is the Liverpool manager but I like
:26:09. > :26:17.the way he's immersed himself into the culture of the club. Both have
:26:18. > :26:21.immersed into the club the type of player with a from. When I was
:26:22. > :26:25.growing up is still had Jamie Carragher and Michael Owen and
:26:26. > :26:30.United always had Gary and Phil Neville, Ryan Giggs, it's not all
:26:31. > :26:36.about that but some sort of resemblance to the supporters goes a
:26:37. > :26:40.long way, I think. It is lost a little in terms of that but it is
:26:41. > :26:46.still a huge game and one that is massively important in terms of the
:26:47. > :26:50.Premier League. One thing, Win, lose or draw I've never enjoyed one of
:26:51. > :26:57.them. I have an them all. You never enjoy them, they are horrible games.
:26:58. > :27:01.That's the point of being a fan. It's like playing, you only enjoy it
:27:02. > :27:10.when you finish. And score the winner. That's all from us, big
:27:11. > :27:15.thanks to Danny and Justin, let's look at the weekend, Tottenham kick
:27:16. > :27:18.us off on Saturday with the early visit to West Brom, three games
:27:19. > :27:26.featuring teams from the bottom five before faltering Leicester City take
:27:27. > :27:29.on Chelsea. On Sunday its Manchester versus Merseyside beginning with
:27:30. > :27:33.Everton against City before Manchester United take on Liverpool.
:27:34. > :27:37.And today the sad news reached us that the former England manager
:27:38. > :27:42.Graham Taylor has died aged 72. After a playing career in the lower
:27:43. > :27:46.divisions he began his managerial career at Lincoln City and had
:27:47. > :27:50.spells at Aston Villa, walls and the national team but it was with
:27:51. > :27:53.Watford where he had extraordinary success, taking them from the old
:27:54. > :28:00.fourth division to the top flight and guiding them to the 1984 FA Cup
:28:01. > :28:11.final. Spell at Watford was probably the best of my managerial career. It
:28:12. > :28:14.was fantastic. I think that I've got qualities as regard coaching. I
:28:15. > :28:23.think that is what I ought to be doing. I've always had admiration
:28:24. > :28:36.for him. People come to be entertained, to be excited. Nowhere
:28:37. > :28:39.does that action take place. Cheers. I've got an 83-year-old
:28:40. > :28:45.mother-in-law that wants his autograph. You can get a position
:28:46. > :28:49.that Gary Lineker has got, now the captain of his country, but you must
:28:50. > :28:54.keep working hard. It is a game for the man on the terraces, a game to
:28:55. > :28:57.excite the people. The sound of hitting the football thrilled me.
:28:58. > :29:01.Now my playing career is over and I'm fortunate that I'm a manager and
:29:02. > :29:02.I would like to remain one, simply so I can hear a football being
:29:03. > :29:05.struck.