10/12/2012

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:00:05. > :00:11.The Australian radio hosts at the centre of the royal hospital hoax

:00:11. > :00:14.say they're heartbroken. The nurse who took the prank call

:00:14. > :00:21.was later found dead. The presenters described their reaction

:00:21. > :00:25.to the news. You know, it was never meant to go that far. It was meant

:00:25. > :00:34.to be a silly little prank that so many people have done before. This

:00:34. > :00:37.wasn't meant to happen. Gutted, you know, shattered, heartbroken.

:00:37. > :00:40.MPs call on the Government to end criminal penalities for those

:00:40. > :00:45.caught with small amounts of drugs. Cracking the genetic code - plans

:00:45. > :00:47.to map the DNA of cancer sufferers to help develop new treatments.

:00:47. > :00:50.The FA says fans' behaviour after the Manchester derby was

:00:50. > :00:52."deplorable" and must be "dealt with severely".

:00:53. > :00:59.We're onboard one of the Royal Navy's most powerful submarines as

:00:59. > :01:03.a contract is awarded to build another.

:01:03. > :01:07.It's been a difficult beginning for HMS Astute five years after she was

:01:07. > :01:11.launched and two years after she was commissioned, and she's still

:01:11. > :01:13.conducting sea trials here off the Scottish coast. Later on BBC

:01:13. > :01:17.London: A new report claims pollution is

:01:17. > :01:23.responsible for nearly one in ten deaths in parts of the capital, and

:01:23. > :01:33.closing the gap - the final stretch of the London overground orbital

:01:33. > :01:40.

:01:40. > :01:43.Good afternoon, and welcome to the BBC News at 1.00pm. The Australian

:01:43. > :01:46.radio presenters at the centre of the hoax call to the hospital where

:01:46. > :01:49.the Duchess of Cambridge was being treated have spoken publicly for

:01:49. > :01:51.the first time. Mel Greig and Michael Christian said their

:01:51. > :01:55.deepest sympathies were with the family and friends of Jacintha

:01:55. > :01:58.Saldanha, the nurse who took the call and who was found dead three

:01:58. > :02:00.days later. In a television interview, they described their

:02:00. > :02:08.actions as "innocent", but said they were "gutted and heartbroken"

:02:09. > :02:13.by her death. Here's our royal correspondent, Nicholas Witchell.

:02:13. > :02:17.Tonight, the two young radio hosts break their silence... Until Friday,

:02:17. > :02:21.they'd been boasting about a career highlight. Then came the moment

:02:21. > :02:24.when they were told what their prank call had led to.

:02:24. > :02:28.Unfortunately, I remember that moment very well because I haven't

:02:28. > :02:38.stopped thinking about it since it happened, and I remember my first

:02:38. > :02:44.question was, "Was she a mother?" And what about you, Michael?

:02:44. > :02:48.gutted, you know, shattered, heartbroken. The presenters'

:02:48. > :02:53.defence is that they never intended to cause any harm. You know, it was

:02:54. > :02:57.never meant to go that far. It was meant to be a silly little prank

:02:57. > :03:03.that so many people have done before. This wasn't meant to happen.

:03:03. > :03:07.Yet it seems little or no thought had been given to the ethics of

:03:07. > :03:11.making a prank call. Do you get any coaching, any training at all as to

:03:11. > :03:15.what you're allowed to put to whai, you're allowed to tell people

:03:15. > :03:20.they're being recorded and put to air? Have you been told that during

:03:20. > :03:24.your tenure here? This phone call was the same as with any phone call,

:03:25. > :03:29.any prerecorded segment that goes to air. There's processes in place

:03:29. > :03:33.and people that make those decisions. Have you been told that?

:03:33. > :03:38.Have you been taught that set down in a legal class? There are people

:03:38. > :03:41.who make those decision for us. Our responsibility... Did someone

:03:42. > :03:45.listen to that call? It went through the process as everything

:03:45. > :03:50.we do. It all gets recorded and passed on to the appropriate people.

:03:50. > :03:53.Now they're struggling to cope with the unintended consequences of

:03:53. > :03:59.their actions. There is nothing that can make me feel worse than

:03:59. > :04:04.what I feel right now and for what I feel for the family. We're so

:04:04. > :04:09.sorry that this has happened to them. In India, Jacintha Saldhana's

:04:09. > :04:12.family are struggling with their grief. They have said the nurse was

:04:12. > :04:17.a devout woman who would have felt shame in her unwitting mistake in

:04:17. > :04:20.accepting the call. In London, the hospital has repeated that Mrs

:04:20. > :04:24.Saldhana was not facing any reprimand over the hoax call, but

:04:24. > :04:28.an MP who has been in touch with her family here in Britain wants

:04:28. > :04:32.the hospital to disclose anything that might be relevant. This is

:04:32. > :04:35.obviously a most unusual and distressing state of affairs, and

:04:35. > :04:38.I'm sure that they will want to share that information with the

:04:38. > :04:42.family because the family would be interested in the facts and what

:04:42. > :04:46.exactly happened over the last few days. It will now be for an inquest

:04:47. > :04:51.to examine precisely what issues were weighing on Jacintha

:04:51. > :04:55.Saldhana's mind at the time of her death.

:04:55. > :05:00.Let's talk now to our correspondent Duncan Kennedy who joins us from

:05:00. > :05:03.Sydney. So the DJs have spoken of their heartbreak and their deep

:05:03. > :05:08.regret, Duncan. What happens to them now? Well, both presenters

:05:08. > :05:12.said that they want to get in touch with the family of Mrs Saldhana to

:05:12. > :05:16.offer their apologies either directly or indirectly, although

:05:16. > :05:20.both said that that was up likely to happen in the near future. As to

:05:20. > :05:24.their own futures, that's unclear. They're both on indefinite leave at

:05:24. > :05:28.the moment and whether they can or would want to return to that radio

:05:28. > :05:32.station or even the radio industry is simply not known. On the wider

:05:32. > :05:35.front, an inquiry is about to get under way by the Australian media

:05:35. > :05:39.regulator. It will be wanting to ask questions about who authorised

:05:39. > :05:42.the prank call to be made in the first place and who authorised it

:05:42. > :05:45.to be broadcast, and then of course there could be further questions

:05:45. > :05:48.from British police. They've already been in touch with

:05:49. > :05:53.Australian police. It may be they'll want to talk to those two

:05:53. > :05:59.presenters and other members of staff at some point in the future.

:05:59. > :06:02.Duncan, thank you. Duncan Kennedy joining us from Sydney.

:06:02. > :06:05.A group of MPs says people caught with a small amount of drugs

:06:05. > :06:07.shouldn't be prosecuted, but should be given treatment instead. The MPs

:06:07. > :06:10.on the Commons Home Affairs Committee point to Portugal as an

:06:10. > :06:14.example of where the policy works. The Government here says drug use

:06:14. > :06:23.is falling and it has no intention of changing the law on cannabis.

:06:23. > :06:26.Our home editor Mark Easton reports. The so-called global war on drugs

:06:26. > :06:31.based on international prohibition has been raging for half a century.

:06:31. > :06:37.We must wage what I have called total war against public enemy

:06:37. > :06:40.number one in the United States, the problem of dangerous drugs.

:06:40. > :06:43.today the influential Home Affairs Committee of MPs urged the British

:06:43. > :06:48.Government to order a complete rethink of the strategy. There is

:06:49. > :06:58.now more than ever a case for a fundamental review of all UK drugs

:06:59. > :07:04.

:07:04. > :07:07.policy in the international context, The victims are the people who at

:07:07. > :07:09.the end of the day suffer as a result of what's going on. This

:07:09. > :07:13.approach is what's required to deal with this problem.

:07:13. > :07:17.The committee has urged Ministers to look at countries like Portugal

:07:17. > :07:19.where drug use has been de- penalised with the focus on

:07:20. > :07:24.treatment rather than punishment. Following the legalisation of

:07:24. > :07:29.marijuana in the American states of Washington and Colorado, the MPs

:07:29. > :07:33.recommend the Government assesss the costs of cannabis legalisation.

:07:33. > :07:36.While overall drug use has been falling in recent years, Home

:07:36. > :07:39.Affairs figures suggest at least half a million people in England

:07:39. > :07:44.and Wales have taken a class A drug in the previous month. Three

:07:44. > :07:47.million have used illicit drugs in the previous year mostly cannabis.

:07:47. > :07:51.The Drugs Minister says it will look closely at today's report.

:07:51. > :07:54.There are interesting new ideas. The report says that we should look

:07:54. > :07:58.more carefully at the model that's happened in Portugal, and I'm

:07:58. > :08:01.certainly happy to go there, as the report recommends, and see what

:08:01. > :08:03.they're doing there, so we should be open to new ideas and fresh

:08:03. > :08:08.thinking, but I think we should also acknowledge that we've

:08:08. > :08:13.actually made a lot of progress. think drug laws are bonkers, so I

:08:13. > :08:17.am breaking the taboo. There is, however, an international campaign

:08:17. > :08:22.involving senior politicians and public figures. A lot of people die,

:08:22. > :08:25.and it doesn't solve the problem. This new documentary is designed to

:08:25. > :08:27.put further pressure on governments around the world to rethink drugs

:08:27. > :08:31.policy. The Labour Party has published

:08:31. > :08:33.plans for legislating the press. The so-called Leveson Bill will be

:08:33. > :08:35.considered at cross-party talks later in the week, but the

:08:35. > :08:44.Conservatives have already dismissed it as lacking in detail.

:08:44. > :08:48.Our political correspondent Norman Smith joins us from Westminster.

:08:48. > :08:57.What exactly, Norman, is Labour proposing? This is the Labour bill,

:08:57. > :09:01.just six clauses long, so a relatively small pan Ella of a bill.

:09:01. > :09:07.To underscore their argument that this doesn't have to be fiendishly

:09:07. > :09:11.complex and difficult, you can do it in an easy way, at the heart of

:09:11. > :09:14.their idea is that the body supervising the press shouldn't be

:09:14. > :09:18.Ofcom but the judiciary. The way the Labour plan would work is you'd

:09:18. > :09:21.have the press, above them a regulatory body which would oversee

:09:21. > :09:25.the day-to-day running of the press and investigating the complaints

:09:25. > :09:28.and ordering apologies, then above that you would have the Lord Chief

:09:28. > :09:32.Justice sitting with panel of judges who once every three years

:09:32. > :09:35.would decide whether the system was working. Labour say the beauty of

:09:35. > :09:38.that system is because the judiciary is involved it is

:09:38. > :09:42.independent of Parliament and politicians. The Conservatives say

:09:42. > :09:45.the problem is this is too simple. It amounts to no more than a

:09:45. > :09:49.glorified press release, so they're going to produce their own draft

:09:49. > :09:53.bill on Thursday which they say will show just how difficult it is

:09:53. > :09:57.to frame legislation to implement the Leveson proposals, and in

:09:57. > :10:01.contrast to this relatively slim document, I expect the Conservative

:10:01. > :10:06.document would probably end up looking like the parliamentary

:10:06. > :10:08.equivalent of the Yellow Pages Thank you, Norman Smith in

:10:08. > :10:10.Westminster. Detectives investigating

:10:10. > :10:13.allegations of sex abuse surrounding Jimmy Savile and others

:10:13. > :10:16.have arrested a man in his 60s. Scotland Yard say he was detained

:10:16. > :10:20.on suspicion of sexual offences and is being held at a police station

:10:20. > :10:24.in south London. Up to 100,000 patients with cancer

:10:24. > :10:27.and rare diseases in England are to have their DNA fully mapped.

:10:27. > :10:30.Downing Street says a database of genetic sequences and profiles will

:10:30. > :10:40.be built so that doctors can better understand patients' illnesses and

:10:40. > :10:42.

:10:42. > :10:45.develop new treatments. Our medical correspondent Fergus Walsh reports.

:10:45. > :10:49.Cancer cells have their own genetic blueprint or genetic code, and

:10:50. > :10:54.mapping this DNA can be done faster and cheaper than ever before. When

:10:54. > :11:00.this programme will start, who will do the genetic code sequencing and

:11:00. > :11:05.analysis hasn't been worked out. But the Prime Minister on a visit

:11:05. > :11:09.to labs in Cambridge said it had the potential to transform cancer

:11:09. > :11:15.treatment. We want to crack cancer and the DNA database can help us to

:11:15. > :11:17.do that, but we also want to keep Britain at the absolute forefront

:11:17. > :11:22.of biotechnology, of the pharmaceutical industry. We can be

:11:22. > :11:26.a real world leader in this. hope is that by comparing genetic

:11:26. > :11:29.profiles of huge numbers of patients, it will allow scientists

:11:29. > :11:34.to understand why some do far better than others and help in the

:11:34. > :11:37.new quest for treatments. For existing patients, DNA mapping may

:11:37. > :11:42.lead to better targeting of medicines. Being able to save the

:11:42. > :11:45.lady in front of us in the clinic, we know from the car code in your

:11:45. > :11:48.cancer that you'll respond to this treatment, but not to this

:11:48. > :11:51.treatment - and that is a very important aim because we have

:11:52. > :11:54.treatments that work for some of our patient, but we really need to

:11:54. > :12:00.have tests that really can choose the right person for the right

:12:00. > :12:03.treatment at the right time. scheme will be voluntary and the

:12:03. > :12:08.data anonymous to protect patient confidentiality, but critics fear

:12:08. > :12:12.it could be misused. That information can be used to track

:12:12. > :12:16.individuals and their relatives, so there are real privacy concerns,

:12:16. > :12:21.but it's also open to commercial exploitation. There are more than

:12:21. > :12:26.200 types of cancer. It's a complex and highly resistent disease. The

:12:26. > :12:30.talk amongst specialists is less of cures and more of improved long-

:12:30. > :12:34.term outcomes, so most of the benefits from this ambitious

:12:34. > :12:37.project are likely to be among the next generation of cancer patients.

:12:37. > :12:41.The former South African President, Nelson Mandela has spent a second

:12:41. > :12:45.night in hospital in Pretoria. Mr Mandela, who's 94, has been having

:12:45. > :12:48.tests for an unspecified medical condition. A Minister who visited

:12:48. > :12:56.him today says he was doing "very, very well". Our Africa

:12:56. > :13:01.correspondent Andrew Harding joins us from Johannesburg now. What else

:13:01. > :13:05.is being said about Mr Mandela's health, Andrew? Interestingly,

:13:05. > :13:09.almost nothing. Since he went in on Saturday, he was brought up from

:13:09. > :13:12.his rural home and put into a hospital in prait prait. We've

:13:13. > :13:16.heard nothing but generally very positive mood music from the

:13:16. > :13:20.presidency here. As you say, he's apparently had a restful night. We

:13:20. > :13:24.know he's in good hands. He's being looked after, and the Defence

:13:24. > :13:27.Minister went in to see him herself this morning. Outside she told

:13:27. > :13:32.journalists that he was very, very well and that the country should

:13:32. > :13:36.pray for him, but also not go into a panic. Beyond that, though, in

:13:36. > :13:40.terms of the specifics of what's actually wrong with Mr Mandela, why

:13:40. > :13:44.he needs tests, what sort of tests he might be understood going, we

:13:44. > :13:47.simply know nothing. That's a big contrast from the last couple of

:13:47. > :13:53.times when he has been hospitalised in the last two years. Then pretty

:13:53. > :13:55.early on we started getting rumours and unofficial reports of what

:13:55. > :13:59.might be troubling him. This time the presidency here is controlling

:13:59. > :14:02.the information very carefully. Right now I think the South African

:14:02. > :14:07.public is broadly buying into this line that there is no reason to

:14:07. > :14:10.panic. They're going to wait patiently for more news. There is

:14:10. > :14:13.an enormous amount of affection and concern for Nelson Mandela, but

:14:13. > :14:17.people here are slowly acknowledging that at the age of 94

:14:17. > :14:22.he's not going to live forever, and people are simply waiting to be

:14:22. > :14:24.told more and wishing him all the best. Thank you, Andrew Harding in

:14:24. > :14:27.Johannesburg. The Ministry of Defence has awarded

:14:27. > :14:30.a contract of o�1.2 billion to BAE Systems to build the Royal Navy's

:14:30. > :14:35.latest submarine, Audacious. The move will secure at least 3,500

:14:35. > :14:38.jobs. Audacious will be the fourth of seven attack submarines. But the

:14:38. > :14:40.first one to be built, HMS Astute, suffered a series of problems,

:14:40. > :14:42.including a shooting incident, flooding and running aground. Our

:14:42. > :14:52.defence correspondent Jonathan Beale has been given exclusive

:14:52. > :15:00.

:15:00. > :15:05.We joined HMS Astute off the west coast of Scotland. Costing more

:15:05. > :15:10.than �1 billion, it is supposed to be one of the most advanced

:15:10. > :15:17.military machines, but so far it has hit the headlines for mostly

:15:17. > :15:22.the wrong reasons. Keep 20 metres... On one of her

:15:22. > :15:32.first voyages she ran aground. Last year, one officer was shot dead by

:15:32. > :15:32.

:15:32. > :15:36.a junior rating, a simple momential marks the spot. Technical problems,

:15:36. > :15:41.including corrosion and a leak, but the Admiral in charge shows that

:15:41. > :15:47.they are working for perfection. It is as complex as a space shuttle.

:15:47. > :15:51.It is like a 7,000 tonne Swiss watch. It works and it is safe.

:15:51. > :15:55.That is paramount for the 100 crew who work in the cramped conditions.

:15:56. > :16:03.They rely on sophisticated censors to list no-one the water.

:16:03. > :16:07.To see above, there is no periscope, but an array of cameras.

:16:07. > :16:11.The submarine can hover to gather intelligence or laufrpbl attack wut

:16:11. > :16:16.being seen or heard. It has been a difficult beginning for HMS Astute,

:16:16. > :16:20.five years after she was launched and two years after she was

:16:20. > :16:24.commissioned, she is still conducting sea trials here.

:16:24. > :16:29.But she will be ready for operations next year. Today's order

:16:29. > :16:35.of a fourth submarine is a sign of confidence in a brighter future.

:16:35. > :16:39.Now, let's have a look at time after a quarter past one and the

:16:39. > :16:42.top story: The Australian radio hosts at the centre of the Royal

:16:42. > :16:48.Hospital hoax say that they are heartbroken.

:16:48. > :16:53.Coming up: Spicing up the West End, a musical based around the songs of

:16:53. > :16:58.the UK's most successful girl band. On BBC London: Signs that the West

:16:58. > :17:04.End could see record sales on the run-up to Christmas. Nearly 40

:17:04. > :17:08.years after Lord Lucan disappeared, we hear the evidence that prompted

:17:08. > :17:13.his brother to give his first television interview.

:17:13. > :17:17.It's been nearly two years since the Arab Spring, the uprisings that

:17:17. > :17:21.began around the Middle East, from Tunisia, spreading across the

:17:21. > :17:26.Mediterranean, transforming the political landscape. All this week,

:17:26. > :17:30.BBC News is assessing the impact of the uprisings, we begin in Egypt,

:17:30. > :17:37.where for many people, the revolution that toppled Hosni

:17:37. > :17:39.Mubarak is far from over. George Alagiah joins us now from

:17:39. > :17:43.Tahrir Square. Thank you very much. As you say,

:17:43. > :17:47.this was, if I can call it that, the crucible of opposition nearly

:17:47. > :17:51.two years ago. This is the place where they toppled a man, a

:17:51. > :17:54.dictator who had been in power for some 30 years, but the perhaps

:17:54. > :18:00.surprising thing is that there are activists back in Tahrir Square

:18:00. > :18:03.again. This time, of course, they are directing their anger at an

:18:03. > :18:08.elected leader, Mohammed Morsi of this country. What they say is that

:18:08. > :18:12.the President is trying to push through a constitution, which they

:18:12. > :18:17.think is flawed and he is trying to do it through a referendum, which

:18:17. > :18:21.they say, is going to come too soon it caused anger on both sides.

:18:21. > :18:26.There were been protests for a number of weeks here. There are

:18:26. > :18:30.more protests planned tomorrow. For the latest let's get a report from

:18:30. > :18:36.Jon Leyne. It does have flash photography.

:18:36. > :18:39.Through the weekend, the protesters have been continuing to stream up

:18:39. > :18:44.to the Presidential Palace in Cairo. Nothing that the President has done

:18:44. > :18:49.has been enough to satisfy them. This is now the main focus of their

:18:49. > :18:52.demonstration. Just Astra trartrar was in the revolution against Hosni

:18:52. > :18:56.Mubarak last year -- just Astra trartrar was.

:18:57. > :19:01.The army are playing -- Tahrir Square. The army are playing a

:19:01. > :19:06.important role in protecting the Government.

:19:07. > :19:11.Mohammed Morsi has given the army the power of arrest. Many Egyptians

:19:11. > :19:14.will see this as a step back after the hand overto civilian rule.

:19:14. > :19:19.Mohammed Morsi held talks with several political factions, but the

:19:19. > :19:23.main opposition forces boycotted the meeting, saying he presented

:19:23. > :19:27.them with a fait acompli, leaving little to talk about. The

:19:27. > :19:31.opposition are demanding the postponement of the referendum on a

:19:31. > :19:35.new constitution, but it is still going ahead. The government did

:19:35. > :19:40.announce one concession, the lifting of the decree, granting

:19:40. > :19:46.Mohammed Morsi sweeping powers. The opposition rejected that as not

:19:46. > :19:50.enough to break the deadlock. Nearly two years after the original

:19:50. > :19:54.protests in Tahrir Square, each side accusing the other of being

:19:54. > :19:59.too close to the old regime. Mohammed Morsi says that the

:19:59. > :20:06.opposition are in the pay of former regime loyalistists. The opposition

:20:06. > :20:11.say that Mohammed Morsi is acting like the dictator that he replaced.

:20:12. > :20:17.Mohammed Morsi's supporters have been holding a sit-in on the

:20:17. > :20:22.outskirts of Cairo, home to several independent TV channels, they blame

:20:22. > :20:26.the liberal media for stirring up a campaign against the President and

:20:26. > :20:30.the Islamist movement, including the Muslim Brotherhood. Clashes

:20:30. > :20:36.have continued to flare up. Both sides plan big new demonstrations

:20:36. > :20:40.tomorrow, raising fears of a major new confrontation. So the army have

:20:40. > :20:43.been strengthening their defences. The Egyptians are resigned to the

:20:43. > :20:52.crisis continuing with the ever- present danger of even more

:20:52. > :21:02.violence. Well let's discuss some of this

:21:02. > :21:03.

:21:03. > :21:08.with He ba Mo oira w. What do you think is wrong with

:21:08. > :21:13.this? I am concerned about the substance of the rights of pro text.

:21:13. > :21:17.What we have in the draft is less protection rights. The way that the

:21:17. > :21:21.constitution is designed to give the state to basically limit every

:21:21. > :21:24.right in the constitution on the grounds of public morality or

:21:24. > :21:28.preserving the true nature of the Egyptian family it is broad

:21:28. > :21:31.language that can be used to undermine the essence of the

:21:31. > :21:35.protections. You say there was a line there to

:21:35. > :21:40.preserve the true nature of the Egyptian family, I would be

:21:40. > :21:44.surprised if anyone opposed that. It sounds innoccuous? I think that

:21:44. > :21:48.people care about human rights. That was part of the uprising.

:21:48. > :21:53.But they care about the family? They do, but we don't want to see

:21:53. > :21:57.as a government, given the discretion to define what the true

:21:57. > :22:02.nature of the family is, to be allowed to use that to limit every

:22:02. > :22:07.right. So for example, the freedom of religious it does not protect

:22:07. > :22:14.people to religious practise, those who are not either Muslim,

:22:14. > :22:23.Christian or Jewish. Prohibition of expression it prohibts insulting

:22:23. > :22:30.anyone, the pro-ets, but I care about this. There has been a spike

:22:30. > :22:35.in blasphemous of pro-ets. There is an athiest man from prison, he

:22:35. > :22:41.could be sentenced because of this. This is what we do not need to see.

:22:41. > :22:45.It must be said that the freedom and Justice Party, the party of the

:22:45. > :22:49.President says it is open to discussion on many issues. They

:22:49. > :22:54.accuse the activists of pulling out of negotiations of the drafting

:22:54. > :23:00.Committee on the constitution. They -- there are, as ever, two sides to

:23:00. > :23:04.the argument raging in Egypt. George, thank you.

:23:04. > :23:11.To let you know, there is more on the second anniversary of the Arab

:23:11. > :23:14.Spring online. Here is the address: The President of The European

:23:14. > :23:18.Commission has indicated that Scotland would have to re-apply to

:23:18. > :23:22.join the EU if it became an independent country. The warning

:23:22. > :23:25.will come as a blow to the First Minister, Alex Salmond, who says

:23:25. > :23:28.that Scotland's membership would not be thrown into doubt by

:23:28. > :23:34.independence. Jose Manuel Durao Barroso told

:23:34. > :23:41.BBC's hard talk, that a new state would have to apply to join the EU.

:23:41. > :23:44.If one part of a country, I am not referring to anyone specific, but

:23:44. > :23:48.they want to become an independent state, of course, as an independent

:23:48. > :23:51.state it has to apply to the European membership, according to

:23:51. > :23:57.the rules. Jose Manuel Durao Barroso there.

:23:57. > :24:02.Well, let's talk to Lorna Gordon who joins us from Glasgow. How big

:24:02. > :24:05.a blow is this? Well, it will be an important issue for voters deciding

:24:05. > :24:10.on whether or not they want Scotland to become independent in a

:24:10. > :24:13.little less than two years' time. I think that is unlikely. I think

:24:13. > :24:17.that the issue for voters is whether they feel that Scotland,

:24:17. > :24:23.that they will feel better or worse off if Scotland were to become

:24:23. > :24:28.independent, but it is true to say that the SNP are having to art late

:24:28. > :24:34.their arguments on the subject again, again and again. Their view

:24:34. > :24:38.is that Scotland would remain within the European union as it

:24:38. > :24:42.negotiated its terms to continue within the European Union. What

:24:42. > :24:45.they are saying, is if you woke up and Scotland were independent,

:24:45. > :24:50.people voted in that direction, and people woke up to find themselves

:24:50. > :24:54.in that position, that they would not have to find themselves out of

:24:54. > :24:57.the United Kingdom, but remaining in it for a couple of years and

:24:57. > :25:01.when they were in the United Kingdom that they would continue to

:25:01. > :25:06.negotiate in the EU at the same time. These are political arguments,

:25:06. > :25:11.they will continue to run and run. Lorna, thank you.

:25:11. > :25:17.Nine people have been charged after the Manchester football Derby over

:25:17. > :25:23.the weekend at which a coin was thrown at and hit Rio Ferdinand.

:25:23. > :25:26.Manchester City apologised saying it condemned the incident

:25:26. > :25:30.unreservedly.$$NEWLINE It was the tensest of Derbys with the most

:25:30. > :25:35.dramatic of finishes. COMMENTATOR: They get there! United

:25:35. > :25:39.have won it. But as they celebrated the late win,

:25:39. > :25:43.this happened. Rio Ferdinand struck by a missile, just inches above the

:25:43. > :25:48.eye. As the blood started to trickle he was confront bid a City

:25:48. > :25:52.fan who had to be restrained by the keeper Joe Hart. Finally, Rio

:25:52. > :25:57.Ferdinand got treatment, but it was an ugly scene. He was not badly

:25:57. > :26:01.hurt. A few hours later, he was a guest on X Factor with no lasting

:26:01. > :26:06.damage, but for United and for football, yet more concern.

:26:06. > :26:12.There was the same thing at Chelsea it is masked by the carry on, seats

:26:12. > :26:16.thrown, coins, lighters and nothing is said or done about it. It is a

:26:16. > :26:20.problem. Manchester City ab publicly

:26:20. > :26:24.apologised to Rio Ferdinand. They are reviewing footage, but the

:26:24. > :26:27.events raised questions about the safety and the security inside

:26:27. > :26:31.football grounds. Wayne Rooney had missiles thrown at him. There are

:26:31. > :26:34.now suggestions that a protective netting behind the goals could be

:26:34. > :26:38.required. You look at other sports where it

:26:38. > :26:43.does not affect the view, but at the same time it can be protective

:26:43. > :26:48.against missiles thrown. I feel it is sad when we are talking about

:26:48. > :26:51.very few people out of literally hundreds of thousands who go to the

:26:52. > :26:55.games, but still, it is something that we cannot ignore.

:26:55. > :26:58.The police are still trying it identify who threw the object at

:26:58. > :27:04.Rio Ferdinand, but once again, football has been scarred by

:27:04. > :27:08.controversy. They were the most successful girl

:27:08. > :27:13.band of all time, selling more than 08 million records. Now the Spice

:27:13. > :27:16.Girls, or their songs are taking to the stage. The new musical, called

:27:16. > :27:23.Viva Forever written by Jennifer Saunders premieres tomorrow night

:27:23. > :27:28.in London's West End. # Welcome to the world. #

:27:28. > :27:34.Friendship never ends. The Spice Girls once sang it. Neither for the

:27:34. > :27:38.foreseeable future, will their music end.

:27:39. > :27:43.This is not a musical about the Spice Girls. There are no

:27:43. > :27:49.characters called Sporty, Mel or Posh. It takes their music and uses

:27:49. > :27:53.it to tell a new story. Which as theatrical concepts go, may sound

:27:53. > :28:00.familiar. # Just one look... # Mamma Mia! Did

:28:00. > :28:04.the same with the songs of ABBA. It has been seen by more than 15

:28:04. > :28:08.million theatre goers across the world. The brainchild of Judy

:28:08. > :28:14.Kraymer, this time, she has teamed up with Jennifer Saunders.

:28:14. > :28:21.I was nervous about it. I had never done a musical before. It is quite

:28:21. > :28:26.different a kettle of fish, within my oueve. You have to work the

:28:26. > :28:31.songs into a narrative. The songs that don't necessarily contain a

:28:31. > :28:37.narrative. That was the biggest challenge. We spent months

:28:37. > :28:39.listening to songs, trying to work out the lyrics where a story would

:28:39. > :28:45.happen. Viva Forever tells the story of a

:28:45. > :28:49.group of girls seeking stardom and its impact on friends and family.

:28:49. > :28:56.So pretty familiar territory for those whose songs I spired it.

:28:56. > :29:02.When I watch the show I feel incredibly proud and excited. It

:29:02. > :29:07.really touches my heart. I love us... It does bring up a lot

:29:07. > :29:14.of feelings. I felt a little tearful, definitely.

:29:14. > :29:22.They are songs that shaped 1990 pop and brought girl power to the world.

:29:22. > :29:27.Time to see if Theatreland Willem brace the music of the Spice Girls.

:29:27. > :29:30.-- women embrace the music of the Spice Girls.

:29:30. > :29:35.Spice Girls. Now the weather.

:29:35. > :29:40.It will get colder over the next few days, but there are changes

:29:40. > :29:43.coming up later in the week. For today, we are looking at a fine

:29:43. > :29:46.afternoon with clear skies. Chilly winds coming down from the North

:29:46. > :29:50.Sea. Feeding in cloud over the eastern areas of Scotland.

:29:50. > :29:55.Otherwise lots of sunshine, especially over the central and the

:29:55. > :29:58.western areas. The sunshine it is not doing a great deal for the

:29:59. > :30:04.temperatures, still cold at 1 Celsius.

:30:04. > :30:10.-- at one Celsius. In the south there are patches of

:30:10. > :30:14.cloud, pushing down from Lincolnshire to Essex. It will turn

:30:14. > :30:19.cloudy and possibly a few showers there. The west of England and

:30:19. > :30:24.Wales, not a cloud in the sky. Overnight, with the clear skies in

:30:24. > :30:28.place, the temperatures dropping like a stone in. The east patches

:30:28. > :30:32.of cloud drifting in from the North Sea, possibly bringing a dusting of

:30:32. > :30:39.snow to Norfolk. In the towns and the cities, there

:30:39. > :30:45.is a touch of frost. In the countryside a really cold night alt

:30:45. > :30:52.minus five Celsius. Possibly minus nine Celsius in

:30:52. > :30:57.Grampian and patches of snow in the north. Some dense patches of

:30:57. > :31:02.freezing fog may linger all day. Where it happens temperatures will

:31:02. > :31:06.not get above freezing, it will feel cold and temperatures down on

:31:06. > :31:09.this afternoon. Highs this afternoon of about three

:31:09. > :31:14.Celsius. Wednesday, a quiet day with sunshine and fog patchs to

:31:14. > :31:20.start off the day. A south-westerly breeze blowing in milder air in the

:31:20. > :31:25.south-west of England. That is a hint of the change to come. We lose

:31:25. > :31:29.the area of high pressure. Towards the end of the week we see the low

:31:29. > :31:34.pressure swinging off the Atlantic bringing wet and windy conditions

:31:34. > :31:38.by the time we get to Friday. For Thursday's weather, a quiet picture.

:31:38. > :31:44.Bright with sunny spells. The temperatures on the cold side with

:31:44. > :31:49.highs of one to four Celsius. To the south and to the west, milder

:31:49. > :31:54.air pushing in with cloud and rain. By Friday, the weather could be