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:00:20. > :00:21.Hello and welcome to this specially extended BBC Newsline.

:00:22. > :00:23.Ian Paisley - described today as a colossus, a one-off,

:00:24. > :00:28.He travelled on a political journey that took him from protestor to

:00:29. > :00:30.statesman, from vowing to smash Sinn Fein to sharing power with them

:00:31. > :00:32.and befriending the former IRA commander Martin McGuinness.

:00:33. > :00:36.Our Political Reporter Stephen Walker looks back

:00:37. > :00:50.We say never! Never! Never! Never in the history of

:00:51. > :00:52.Northern Ireland has one man stirred such strong

:00:53. > :00:57.feelings. Loved by some, loathed by others, everyone had an opinion on

:00:58. > :01:03.Ian Paisley. For decades he became known as Dr No as he resisted all

:01:04. > :01:15.efforts to share power with nationalists or republicans. Over

:01:16. > :01:17.time he changed. It was a slow conversion, from throwing snowballs

:01:18. > :01:21.at a visiting Taoiseach in the 60s to a warm embrace with Bertie Ahern

:01:22. > :01:22.in Antrim. This was not the biggest

:01:23. > :01:25.turnaround in the latter years of the Paisley career. These were the

:01:26. > :01:32.pictures many thought they would never see. The leader of hardline

:01:33. > :01:36.unionism sitting at Stormont with the leader of republicanism. The DUP

:01:37. > :01:40.and Sinn Fein together in a power-sharing executive. But it was

:01:41. > :01:44.a move which unsettled the grassroots and led to the

:01:45. > :01:49.resignation of Ian Paisley as leader of the church he founded, the Free

:01:50. > :01:54.Presbyterians. His easy relationship with the Deputy First Minister

:01:55. > :01:57.Martin McGuinness, they became known as the Chuckle Brothers, was a

:01:58. > :02:01.further source of unease within the party. By 2008 it was time to go. He

:02:02. > :02:13.stood down as DUP leader and First Minister. At the time he said he was

:02:14. > :02:15.going voluntarily but in a BBC interview in January 2014, he

:02:16. > :02:22.Nigel Dodds said to me, we want you to be gone.

:02:23. > :02:29.By Friday. I more or less smirked and Peter said, no, no, he needs to

:02:30. > :02:39.stay in for another couple of months. I sort of laughed. One

:02:40. > :02:42.wanted two months and the other, I don't know what he wanted.

:02:43. > :02:47.Paisley's interview showed how strange relations had become with

:02:48. > :02:52.the party he helped found, and in particular highlighted the tensions

:02:53. > :03:04.that existed with Peter Robinson, who succeeded him as party leader

:03:05. > :03:11.party colleagues who said Ian Paisley's collection of events was

:03:12. > :03:17.Ian Richard Kyle Paisley was born in 1926.

:03:18. > :03:22.His father was a Baptist minister, his mother was a preacher.

:03:23. > :03:25.He grew up in Ballymena, a town which was to become

:03:26. > :03:30.And long before the birth of Paisley the politician,

:03:31. > :03:38.He delivered his first sermon at a mission hall in County Tyrone

:03:39. > :03:50.It was the 1960s when politics came to the fore.

:03:51. > :03:53.Nationalism and republicanism were the enemy and

:03:54. > :04:01.He believed the Dublin government could not be trusted,

:04:02. > :04:12.and when the then Taoiseach was invited, Dr Paisley was outraged.

:04:13. > :04:18.It was proof, if proof were needed, that he was now a religious

:04:19. > :04:35.We declare our intention from this platform that we will organise

:04:36. > :04:57.Soon he was elected to Westminster, taking the North Antrim seat.

:04:58. > :04:59.Then he formed the Democratic Unionist Party and began a long

:05:00. > :05:02.battle with the Ulster Unionists for the trust of the unionist people.

:05:03. > :05:04.Politics would never be quite the same again.

:05:05. > :05:06.He opposed the formation of a power-sharing executive

:05:07. > :05:09.He was abroad during the early stages

:05:10. > :05:12.of the loyalist workers strike but was quickly involved on his return.

:05:13. > :05:13.To his enemies, he was a hate figure,

:05:14. > :05:17.They pointed to his involvement with Ulster Resistance.

:05:18. > :05:18.The signing of the Anglo-Irish agreement

:05:19. > :05:21.in 1985 saw him joining forces with the then Ulster Unionist leader.

:05:22. > :05:39.They filled Belfast city centre with a protest rally.

:05:40. > :05:42.They turn for sanctuary from the Irish Republic, and yet Mrs Thatcher

:05:43. > :05:48.tells us that that Republic must have some say in our province.

:05:49. > :05:59.The peace process gave fresh impetus to Ian Paisley.

:06:00. > :06:04.He agreed to go to the multiparty talks at Stormont but when Sinn Fein

:06:05. > :06:08.were allowed in the following year, the DUP leader walked out.

:06:09. > :06:19.He came back on the night before Good Friday in 1998 to protest.

:06:20. > :06:21.The subsequent agreement started a battle for the soul of unionism.

:06:22. > :06:23.In the vote for the assembly elections

:06:24. > :06:33.in November 2003, the DUP finally overtook the Ulster Unionists.

:06:34. > :06:35.Ian Paisley and his wife, Eileen, had five children.

:06:36. > :06:45.Speaking in a BBC documentary in January 2014,

:06:46. > :06:51.I am not infallible, I never claimed to be the Pope, I was just

:06:52. > :07:03.And I have regrets that we are not yet out of the difficulties

:07:04. > :07:15.But I have also rejoiced in my heart that I kept the faith.

:07:16. > :07:18.Ian Paisley was big in stature and big in voice.

:07:19. > :07:22.He was hated and admired in equal measure.

:07:23. > :07:26.Whilst people will differ on his contribution, all will agree

:07:27. > :07:30.that over many decades as a preacher and a politician, he

:07:31. > :08:09.The First Minister and DUP leader Peter Robinson joined me earlier.

:08:10. > :08:18.Micro he was an international figure. He held the politics of

:08:19. > :08:26.Northern Ireland for such a long period of time. When he spoke people

:08:27. > :08:42.listened. He was even tacit human being. It was a career of contrasts.

:08:43. > :08:49.He was known as Dr No. Then he bought in, with you, to the

:08:50. > :09:02.restoration of devolution. How will history remember him? This study

:09:03. > :09:19.would suggest that he had different responses. The question was such

:09:20. > :09:24.that you could not say yes to it. The Unionists community was fighting

:09:25. > :09:42.for its very existence. They had few people coming to the aid. When the

:09:43. > :09:48.IRA cease-fire came along and they accepted the police as the lawful

:09:49. > :09:55.police service of Northern Ireland then we were in a different

:09:56. > :10:03.scenario. In those circumstances Ian Paisley was prepared to try and

:10:04. > :10:08.reach agreements. Those images of sharing a joke with Martin

:10:09. > :10:11.McGuinness would have been an thinkable at one point. Would it

:10:12. > :10:25.have been possible without his charisma? Ian Paisley stopped things

:10:26. > :10:33.happening that would otherwise have happened.

:10:34. > :10:39.Fifth the Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness said that he came

:10:40. > :10:45.to look on Ian Paisley as a friend as well as a partner in government.

:10:46. > :10:53.We have kept in contact since six years ago. We have met at each

:10:54. > :10:58.other's house, not so very long ago, I had coffee with him and I for a

:10:59. > :11:05.couple of hours, just the three of us sitting chatting. And I think her

:11:06. > :11:10.role in all of this is underrated by many people. She was a very powerful

:11:11. > :11:15.influence around that time. And she is is entitled to credit as anybody

:11:16. > :11:20.else for the transformation that to place in 2007. It was obvious to me

:11:21. > :11:25.when I visited him that he was getting weaker. And now he has

:11:26. > :11:30.passed on. Historians will make their own judgement, some of them

:11:31. > :11:37.will be very incisive and very critical, as they will be, of all of

:11:38. > :11:40.us. At the same time, we need to recognise that towards the end of

:11:41. > :11:45.his life he did something that many people thought he would never do, he

:11:46. > :11:51.accepted to join in government with me on the basis of equality and when

:11:52. > :11:56.you think back 40 or 50 years, to what I said earlier, we never would

:11:57. > :12:02.have comprehended that that time that such a scenario would have

:12:03. > :12:03.occurred, but it did occur, and credit is due to Ian Paisley for

:12:04. > :12:06.taking that step. Ian Paisley sparked emotions

:12:07. > :12:08.of love and hate. His political dominance

:12:09. > :12:10.and influence has been a constant in the life of Northern Ireland

:12:11. > :12:12.for five decades. BBC Newsline's Mark Simpson has

:12:13. > :12:25.been asking people across Belfast News of his death appeared on the

:12:26. > :12:31.big screen at Belfast City Hall at lunch time. 30 years ago, this was

:12:32. > :12:37.the scene of his most famous speech. Never, never, never as the nation

:12:38. > :12:43.Mark today, people here reflected on his political career. He had a long

:12:44. > :12:47.life. He would have been 88, and you're not going to live much longer

:12:48. > :12:52.than that. Good and bad points, I suppose. You will always pick out

:12:53. > :12:57.the bad points of people, but if you look at the whole picture we would

:12:58. > :13:02.not be here standing and having a peaceful discussion if it had not

:13:03. > :13:07.been for the Reverend Ian Paisley. He did so much for the people here.

:13:08. > :13:13.He may have been controversial, but I think, basically, he was a good

:13:14. > :13:23.man. A bit of a shock, actually. I expect that he will go down in

:13:24. > :13:31.history books. What az, who knows? In north Belfast, people gave their

:13:32. > :13:37.views. The above anybody was the man that cause the Troubles here. How

:13:38. > :13:44.will he be remembered here? As better and evil. He was someone's

:13:45. > :13:51.father and someone's husband. We did not always agree with his politics,

:13:52. > :13:56.but sadness for them. Although he was MP for North Antrim for 40

:13:57. > :14:02.years, he spent much of his career living in east Belfast, close to his

:14:03. > :14:11.church, close to Stormont, and close to the Unionist heartlands. How is

:14:12. > :14:16.he remembered here? I met Ian Paisley when I was younger and

:14:17. > :14:19.winter rally is in the Belfast city centre. He was a legend for the

:14:20. > :14:24.loyalist community and he will never be forgotten. See all these people

:14:25. > :14:30.here, they love him, and I do not love him at all. The man was a

:14:31. > :14:35.maniac. He will be remembered for that never, never, never. The people

:14:36. > :14:39.will be saddened to lose him. No matter what happened in the end he

:14:40. > :14:44.was always great to the people here, and he will be a sad loss. In death,

:14:45. > :14:50.as in life, opinions are divided on Ian Paisley, but most people here

:14:51. > :14:54.agree that politics here will never quite be the same again.

:14:55. > :14:57.The Bishop of Down and Connor Noel Treanor said Dr Paisley left an

:14:58. > :14:59.indelible mark on the history of the relationship between the unionist

:15:00. > :15:02.All day people have been assessing his legacy

:15:03. > :15:15.Admired by many for his political and religious convictions, it the

:15:16. > :15:18.early Ian Paisley was an uncompromising who opponent used his

:15:19. > :15:25.oratory and influence to stop any talk of sell-out, and that included

:15:26. > :15:30.1970s-style power-sharing. The overall contribution of his was not

:15:31. > :15:35.redeemed by his agreement on power-sharing at the end. One also

:15:36. > :15:38.has to recognise that he was responsible for fuelling community

:15:39. > :15:42.division and preventing peace coming about, and that is not something

:15:43. > :15:48.that we should excise out of the history books. He was a rallying

:15:49. > :15:53.post for those in -- opposed to Dublin involvement in Northern

:15:54. > :15:56.Ireland. The IRA and the British government and the Irish government

:15:57. > :16:02.are intent to break the Ulster people. We will not be broken! When

:16:03. > :16:08.it came time to do a deal, a former Irish premier had no problem

:16:09. > :16:13.building trust. He was getting older, his health was not as good,

:16:14. > :16:17.but he was still prepared to take those moves. He could have said, not

:16:18. > :16:24.for me, someone else can do that, but he didn't. It showed great

:16:25. > :16:29.political acumen. I certainly found him in negotiations that I was

:16:30. > :16:33.engaged with from 2000 on, to be a person that you could do business

:16:34. > :16:42.with. Once he was convinced and once he believed it, he went with it. He

:16:43. > :16:46.was a dominant political figure but, at heart, he remained a preacher,

:16:47. > :16:52.and held onto his faith deeply until the end. We recognise that Doctor

:16:53. > :16:56.Paisley was a man who has left us a tremendous example. He was a man of

:16:57. > :17:00.great compassion. He learned what it was to weep with them that wet, to

:17:01. > :17:09.rejoice with them that rejoice. He was an inspiration to all of us, who

:17:10. > :17:14.were privileged to have known him. Thank you for your support all of

:17:15. > :17:19.this county today. But he was a contradiction, a man to whom respect

:17:20. > :17:23.and recrimination flowed. I'm not sure that I pointed a finger and

:17:24. > :17:28.said that Ian Paisley was the enemy. What people are aware of is that he

:17:29. > :17:32.had a relentless hostility towards the civil rights movement and

:17:33. > :17:39.towards any element within it which tried to open up to the Protestant

:17:40. > :17:47.people. I remember him saying, I heard him saying, "all Republicans,

:17:48. > :17:52.no matter what they say,", and there is no answer to that. His funeral

:17:53. > :17:55.will be private, at his family's request, and there will be a public

:17:56. > :18:01.memorial service, at a later date. Ballymena is the place that became

:18:02. > :18:03.Ian Paisley's political heartland. He was first elected MP for North

:18:04. > :18:07.Antrim in 1970 and was succeeded People in the town told Mervyn Jess

:18:08. > :18:25.how he would be remembered. My arm was saying that it was very

:18:26. > :18:28.sad. He will be well missed in Ballymena. He was on the television

:18:29. > :18:35.what, shouting a lot, and getting things done. He was a big man. And

:18:36. > :18:42.that will be his legacy. He will be well remembered for that. He said

:18:43. > :18:48.no, and no, but he did not like or want trouble. He has got family of

:18:49. > :18:52.his own. He had got to look after them like everyone else has to look

:18:53. > :18:59.after their family. He took his title in the House of Lords,

:19:00. > :19:08.Bannside, from the area that he dominated for so many years. He was

:19:09. > :19:14.a charismatic politician. He was, spellbinding oratory was his middle

:19:15. > :19:22.name. In Parliamentary settles -- sessions, at Orange halls and church

:19:23. > :19:25.gathering. There is some fondness and regard for the fact that in

:19:26. > :19:29.later years he did step up to the plate. A lot of people had said that

:19:30. > :19:35.without him there would not have been an assembly. So whilst people

:19:36. > :19:39.had their differences with him, they recognise that, in later years, he

:19:40. > :19:46.was in the business of reconciliation and making the

:19:47. > :19:51.compromises necessarily to restore government in Northern Ireland. He

:19:52. > :20:00.was also a minister in a free Presbyterian Church. He joins me, Mr

:20:01. > :20:06.MacRae, you have lost a friend and mental. Yes, I have lost a great

:20:07. > :20:13.friend. 47 years ago, a young teenage boy went to Belfast to study

:20:14. > :20:17.for the ministry. I left the civil service and went into the ministry.

:20:18. > :20:21.Ian Paisley took me under his wing right away. I became an assistant in

:20:22. > :20:29.his ministry. And I have been a friend of Ian Paisley for 47 years.

:20:30. > :20:33.In reality, you think that you are prepared for this moment. But the

:20:34. > :20:40.moment comes when Ian Paisley has passed on. That certainly breaks my

:20:41. > :20:47.heart. And I extend to the family circle my sincere sympathy and that

:20:48. > :20:52.of my family and my constituents. Looking at his political life,

:20:53. > :20:58.moving into government with Sinn Fein was a step too far, for some.

:20:59. > :21:04.Remember, Ian Paisley was first and foremost, a preacher. Let us get to

:21:05. > :21:09.the real man. I have listened to many commentators about him. I knew

:21:10. > :21:14.him day and night for many of those 47 years. And I know the heart of

:21:15. > :21:21.the man. He was, first and foremost, a preacher. I would sum up his live

:21:22. > :21:26.simply and quickly. He loved his Lord, and he loved the saviour. And

:21:27. > :21:30.he loved the lost. I have seen among bended knees crying to God for

:21:31. > :21:35.salvation of this land, Holly the United Kingdom and of the sores and

:21:36. > :21:41.then a woman across the world. And I can tell you, people can have their

:21:42. > :21:45.own opinions of him. I know that at the heart of that big man was a

:21:46. > :21:49.heart of love for the souls of men and women and for the land that God

:21:50. > :21:54.had given him the privilege of being born into. Clifford Smith, some

:21:55. > :21:59.years ago you wrote a critical biography. What is your view on his

:22:00. > :22:07.legacy now? Doctor Paisley was a very complex character. Like Willie

:22:08. > :22:11.McCrea, I pass on my condolences to his family. What will you make Ray

:22:12. > :22:16.has just said is lovely, and it gets to the heart of the kind of

:22:17. > :22:20.emotion, power and influence that Doctor Paisley had over his

:22:21. > :22:24.followers and his friends and those that loved him and followed him. But

:22:25. > :22:28.there are other aspects to his character that some of the rest of

:22:29. > :22:32.us found the rest of us boundary difficult to come to terms with, and

:22:33. > :22:37.to cope with. The most amazing thing about Ian Paisley that has not been

:22:38. > :22:42.mentioned today, is that a man who, in a certain sense, came from the

:22:43. > :22:46.sticks, moved from the very fringes, not even involved in politics, to

:22:47. > :22:49.the position where he became the First Minister of Northern Ireland,

:22:50. > :22:53.and that was a tremendous achievement, not only for Ian

:22:54. > :22:58.Paisley, he brought lots of people who would never have thought of

:22:59. > :23:04.entering politics into the political arena in Northern Ireland. And, in

:23:05. > :23:09.doing so, he smashed the Ulster Unionist Party and the figure many

:23:10. > :23:20.that it had had over the politics of Northern Ireland -- the hegemony. We

:23:21. > :23:27.ended up in a situation where the Unionists negotiated from weakness

:23:28. > :23:36.rather than from strength. When it comes to relations with the church,

:23:37. > :23:41.everything was very deeply parted at the end. As far as the church was

:23:42. > :23:44.concerned, I was a preacher alongside them for all of these

:23:45. > :23:52.years. I learned from him love of the Lord and love of the things of

:23:53. > :23:56.God. He was the preacher's friend. Every preacher in the ministry can

:23:57. > :24:00.contest this fact. If you are in trouble and facing heartache or

:24:01. > :24:06.trials in your congregation or in your church life, there was no one

:24:07. > :24:11.who had a bigger heart to pray with you, and love you, more than Ian

:24:12. > :24:17.Paisley. Was he hurt by what happened at the end? At the end, let

:24:18. > :24:22.me tell you, even easily has been a preacher, to the end. And there are

:24:23. > :24:28.many people who seek to paint him in another way. Am -- I am a free

:24:29. > :24:33.Presbyterians minister, Eileen Paisley, Ilott his memory, I thank

:24:34. > :24:38.God for him, I thank God for the multiple pools souls that he brought

:24:39. > :24:41.the Christ. And the church owes a tremendous debt of gratitude for the

:24:42. > :24:44.stand that he took against the ecumenical movement. He will never,

:24:45. > :25:01.ever be forgotten. There is another side to this. I

:25:02. > :25:07.remember sitting outside the Church while Ian Paisley went in to a

:25:08. > :25:15.brother who had fallen foul of the discipline. He ruled the Church with

:25:16. > :25:23.an iron discipline. He ruled the party with an iron discipline. In

:25:24. > :25:28.later years when you were trying to study what was happening, it was

:25:29. > :25:36.like trying to get into China. When I started to write my book, I

:25:37. > :25:40.intended to compare the DUP with other Protestant parties in Europe.

:25:41. > :25:44.But when I got involved in it and got talking to people and discovered

:25:45. > :25:53.some of the things that had happened to them, there was another side to

:25:54. > :25:57.Ian Paisley, and we have to face up to the fact that there are aspects

:25:58. > :26:04.to his career that made life difficult. Not least the pain

:26:05. > :26:10.inflicted on nationalists. Not least the pain and voted on nationalists,

:26:11. > :26:13.but also in his latter days there was a break between the free

:26:14. > :26:18.Presbyterian Church and many of his most ardent followers over the

:26:19. > :26:25.course that he took in terms of the agreement with Sinn Fein.

:26:26. > :26:27.Earlier we heard reaction from Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness.

:26:28. > :26:29.The leaders of the Ulster Unionist Party,

:26:30. > :26:38.the SDLP and the Alliance Party have also been talking to BBC Newsline.

:26:39. > :26:47.He had his own party, Church and Orange Order. He was very focused

:26:48. > :26:51.and determined. We are still on that political journey. We have not got

:26:52. > :26:59.to where we wanted to go. We have lost another big figure. If we

:27:00. > :27:07.should do anything politically tonight it is redouble our efforts

:27:08. > :27:13.to get to the end of that journey. Ian Paisley was divisive. He was

:27:14. > :27:22.divisive within unionism and between Unionism and nationalism. He charted

:27:23. > :27:28.a course for himself. His role during the Troubles will perhaps

:27:29. > :27:32.define him. A lot of people perhaps mellowed in the reviews because of

:27:33. > :27:37.the work he did in recent times to bring about devolution in 2007. He

:27:38. > :27:43.stood by what he saw as the necessity for his people and for his

:27:44. > :27:46.country. He stood for many years opposed to change, and then

:27:47. > :27:49.recognised the need for change. He was willing to lead his party into

:27:50. > :27:53.that in a way which was difficult for some former colleagues.

:27:54. > :27:56.Journalist Peter Taylor - from the BBC's Panorama programme -

:27:57. > :27:57.interviewed Ian Paisley for many years.

:27:58. > :28:02.Earlier he told Donna how he would remember him.

:28:03. > :28:10.I have two memories because there were two Ian Paisleys. The first

:28:11. > :28:19.memory was the stereotypical Ian Paisley, no surrender, Ulster will

:28:20. > :28:22.fight. That was the early 1970s. Then there was the new Ian Paisley.

:28:23. > :28:30.That remarkable transformation that he made. The reasons for that is

:28:31. > :28:37.that he had the equivalent of a near death experience when he was in

:28:38. > :28:41.hospital. I think he thought the Lord had asked him to set out on a

:28:42. > :28:47.new path. There were too Ian Paisleys. Overriding both was that

:28:48. > :28:56.Ian Paisley that not many people saw, but I saw. Behind the image

:28:57. > :28:58.perceived by nationalists and republicans as the monster

:28:59. > :29:07.responsible for the Troubles, which of course he was not, beneath that

:29:08. > :29:13.was an amusing and charismatic individual. There were too Ian

:29:14. > :29:18.Paisleys. But the real Ian Paisley was an amalgam of the two. I never

:29:19. > :29:21.thought I would see him make the journey that he had any more than I

:29:22. > :29:27.thought I would see Martin McGuinness make the journey that he

:29:28. > :29:34.did. They were the Alpha Andromeda of the conflict. They were in at the

:29:35. > :29:45.beginning at opposite sides, and at the end on the same side. Ian

:29:46. > :29:54.Paisley did not have high regard for journalists. Was that all for show?

:29:55. > :29:59.I was on the receiving end of Ian Paisley's oratory. I remember in

:30:00. > :30:08.1974 when he disrupted the new power-sharing executive. I asked and

:30:09. > :30:18.was he satisfied that he had wrecked the assembly. He told me to get back

:30:19. > :30:25.to England. I remember he bought me an ice cream when I was filming in

:30:26. > :30:27.Antrim. I was roundly criticised for portraying Ian Paisley not as the

:30:28. > :30:38.monster that many wish to see, but as a human being. Our Political

:30:39. > :30:47.Editor joins us. What are your recollections?

:30:48. > :30:53.They are contradictory. There were different Ian Paisleys. He was turn

:30:54. > :31:03.up on his doorstep. You did not know if you would subject you to a tyre

:31:04. > :31:07.trade about something you had said. -- subject you to a telling off. On

:31:08. > :31:12.the other hand you could have jovial conversations. I have spent

:31:13. > :31:29.occasions talking about the benefits of porridge in the mornings. At one

:31:30. > :31:33.time he made a long speech about bread that he liked. He had a quick

:31:34. > :31:37.sense of humour. He also had a quick temper.

:31:38. > :31:44.How do you explain his late conversion to do a deal?

:31:45. > :31:49.A couple of things. He felt that Sinn Fein had changed. He thought it

:31:50. > :31:56.was significant that the IRA had disarmed. There was also that brush

:31:57. > :32:03.with his own mortality, that period of illness that made him feel that

:32:04. > :32:07.maybe they would not be on this planet many more years and maybe

:32:08. > :32:11.they would create a different legacy. Also this sense that he had

:32:12. > :32:16.got to the dominant position that he had cherished within unionism. Only

:32:17. > :32:20.when he was the main man would he cut a deal.

:32:21. > :32:23.With another crisis looming at Stormont would it have the

:32:24. > :32:29.difference if he was still first Minister?

:32:30. > :32:35.Maybe the charisma would have been able to carry as over some of our

:32:36. > :32:38.recent problems. That he was never a man further details. We are bogged

:32:39. > :32:44.down in the details now with welfare, budgeting, and financial

:32:45. > :32:53.monitoring. He was not have much time for that.

:32:54. > :32:56.Here is the weather. We have high pressure in charge for the weekend.

:32:57. > :33:01.The settled weather continues with a lot of dry weather to come. There

:33:02. > :33:14.will be hideous of cloud coming and going. -- areas of cloud. You might

:33:15. > :33:27.catch a glimpse of the aurora particularly towards the North.

:33:28. > :33:38.There is the risk of mist patches. Tomorrow another dry day coming up.

:33:39. > :33:49.Bright or sunny spells coming through. 85 the across many parts of

:33:50. > :34:04.Ireland and Britain. -- a fine day across many parts. North Sea coasts

:34:05. > :34:08.could be dull. For Northern Ireland tomorrow afternoon will be much the

:34:09. > :34:17.same as the morning. The areas of closed and sunny intervals. Very

:34:18. > :34:24.similar on Sunday with variable cloud and bright sunny spells. Maybe

:34:25. > :34:36.feeling fresher. That is all for now on the day that

:34:37. > :34:43.Ian Paisley died at the age of 88. We say never, never, never.