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:00:00. > :00:00.so it's goodbye from me, and on BBC One we now

:00:00. > :00:08.Welcome to Wales Today. Our top story:

:00:09. > :00:11.Tonight, the calls for youth justice to be devolved to Wales.

:00:12. > :00:20.For the first time, we film inside a children's prison.

:00:21. > :00:32.They are the most complex, dysfunctional young people.

:00:33. > :00:36.Swansea is the most overcrowded prison in Britain,

:00:37. > :00:40.but the Justice Secretary rejects a call to resign.

:00:41. > :00:44.A three-year-old girl has died in a house fire in Carmarthen -

:00:45. > :00:47.her mother and father remain in hospital.

:00:48. > :00:50.Tonight, an investigation is underway.

:00:51. > :00:53.22 different ways of getting rid of your rubbish -

:00:54. > :01:00.After overwhelmingly surviving a vote of no confidence,

:01:01. > :01:03.can the WRU and the regions settle their differences?

:01:04. > :01:07.And the Welsh rugby fans' banner in South Africa

:01:08. > :01:16.that's become an internet sensation at the Football World Cup in Brazil!

:01:17. > :01:19.The Children's Commissioner for Wales has added

:01:20. > :01:22.his voice to calls for the Youth Justice system to be devolved.

:01:23. > :01:25.Keith Towler says giving Wales the power to run the system -

:01:26. > :01:27.currently run by the Youth Justice Board -

:01:28. > :01:32.There are two secure facilities here.

:01:33. > :01:34.Parc Prison Young Offenders Institution

:01:35. > :01:40.Hillside Secure Children's Home, in Neath,

:01:41. > :01:42.has 10 beds for the most complex young offenders.

:01:43. > :01:45.The latest figures, for March, show that 49 young people from Wales

:01:46. > :01:52.34 of them were placed here, 15 in England.

:01:53. > :01:55.In a moment, The Children's Commissioner.

:01:56. > :01:58.First, our reporter, Nicola Smith, has been given exclusive access

:01:59. > :02:04.Tucked away off a quiet street in Neath -

:02:05. > :02:24.22 boys and girls from across the UK live on three separate wings here.

:02:25. > :02:33.His mother told me he got in with the wrong crowd

:02:34. > :02:38.For several months now, this eight-bedded wing has been his home,

:02:39. > :02:45.I was in the cells for a couple of days and then I was transferred

:02:46. > :02:50.straight to the court and I was there seven hours, then saw mum

:02:51. > :02:54.for the first time in three or four days and she was upset

:02:55. > :03:00.and then I got upset and stuff and then I got sentenced.

:03:01. > :03:03.I was upset but I knew it was my own fault as well,

:03:04. > :03:13.You understood there was a reason to it?

:03:14. > :03:16.Yeah, it's for my own safety and other people's safety as well

:03:17. > :03:20.Some of the children here have committed robbery,

:03:21. > :03:27.Others are here for welfare reasons, they're a risk to themselves.

:03:28. > :03:33.they need the specialist services Hillside can provide.

:03:34. > :03:36.Mark Lazarus has worked with more than 1,000 of them since

:03:37. > :03:47.We're dealing with the countries most complex,

:03:48. > :03:49.We're dealing with the country's most complex,

:03:50. > :03:52.A lot of them haven't been correctly assessed, they present with emerging

:03:53. > :03:57.mental health needs, learning difficulties, some are illiterate.

:03:58. > :04:06.So what we try to do is put a plan together to support them.

:04:07. > :04:08.That involves psychiatrists, psychologists,

:04:09. > :04:16.It costs the Youth Justice Board just over ?4,000 per week

:04:17. > :04:19.At Parc Prison Young Offenders Institution,

:04:20. > :04:25.One of the main expenses here is staff -

:04:26. > :04:33.Deborah Morgan Evans is in charge on one of the wings.

:04:34. > :04:39.For obvious reasons, we all carry keys,

:04:40. > :04:41.we all carry personal alarms and some staff

:04:42. > :04:50.The personal alarm is activated if there is an issue, an emergency.

:04:51. > :04:54.One staff member told me, at times, it can be intimidating here.

:04:55. > :04:56.Most of the children will have seen more

:04:57. > :04:59.of life than we can imagine, some have been entrenched in gang crime.

:05:00. > :05:02.But I'm reminded that they're children.

:05:03. > :05:04.Children who often arrive at Hillside unable to use

:05:05. > :05:08.a knife and fork, tie their shoelaces, clean their teeth.

:05:09. > :05:20.Learning basic skills is part of life here.

:05:21. > :05:24.Step inside the classroom and you could be in any school, anywhere.

:05:25. > :05:27.Education is a big part of life at Hillside.

:05:28. > :05:30.Basic skills like cookery, alongside core subjects,

:05:31. > :05:38.It's learning but it doesn't feel like it's school

:05:39. > :05:43.and it helps you so when you go out back into the community,

:05:44. > :05:47.you know how to do things on your own and independently and stuff.

:05:48. > :05:51.Alun Evans has taught here for four years.

:05:52. > :05:54.We see what their strengths and weaknesses are.

:05:55. > :05:58.From that, we've had people come in with extremely low ability -

:05:59. > :06:01.struggling with reading and writing and some people leave

:06:02. > :06:09.Compared to five years ago, the number of young people currently in

:06:10. > :06:14.Beds at places like this have been cut to reflect that.

:06:15. > :06:19.This will always be the most expensive, intensive option.

:06:20. > :06:22.You must deal with a lot of stereotyping -

:06:23. > :06:25.people at home will be wondering why they deserve this treatment.

:06:26. > :06:31.The children we work with have very complex needs.

:06:32. > :06:35.They're children first and foremost, we're not here to judge the children

:06:36. > :06:39.we're here to work with them and support them and enable them to get

:06:40. > :06:45.I want to get a job and go back to college

:06:46. > :06:50.and study mechanics cos that's what I want to do when I'm older.

:06:51. > :06:57.And that's the aim of staff here at Hillside - to take young people

:06:58. > :07:00.out of the criminial justice system and give them the skills to go to

:07:01. > :07:11.Keith Towler is The Children's Commissioner.

:07:12. > :07:18.Where's the evidence we need to change?

:07:19. > :07:25.I think what we need to look at is the progress we have made in youth

:07:26. > :07:28.justice in the last ten or 15 years. There fewer people being

:07:29. > :07:33.drawn into offending behaviour. We seen massive increases, particularly

:07:34. > :07:39.in Wales, on a preventative agenda, working with local communities. We

:07:40. > :07:42.have seen a reduction in numbers coming through the system. We cannot

:07:43. > :07:46.continue to work in the way that we have been working, the youth Justice

:07:47. > :07:50.board for England and Wales manages to secure state and manages it on an

:07:51. > :07:53.England and Wales basis was that we have so many people who are

:07:54. > :07:58.accommodated in custody in England. They are many miles away from home.

:07:59. > :08:02.The opportunity exists now to ask whether we can manage our own. You

:08:03. > :08:08.just made a perfect case for leaving it as it is. It's as good as working

:08:09. > :08:11.well and improving year-on-year. It is improving but it is the next step

:08:12. > :08:15.you take to managing the system entirely within Wales. What we know

:08:16. > :08:23.from the work we have just seen at that unit and the work of the youth

:08:24. > :08:29.offending services, if you can keep some of these -- be closer to home

:08:30. > :08:38.you can keep the junk people, the better it is. It is about improving

:08:39. > :08:44.the lives for the children. Doing that close to home is part of the

:08:45. > :08:51.best recipe. Close to home is a good phrase. The current idea is that

:08:52. > :08:57.Welsh people should be kept within Wales. If you are on the border, it

:08:58. > :09:00.is closer perhaps to go to a facility in the North of England and

:09:01. > :09:05.to come to somewhere close to Cardiff, 3.5 hours away. Geography

:09:06. > :09:16.plays a part here. It is already well to say it should be done on a

:09:17. > :09:22.Wales basis. If a child in north-east Wales finds themselves in

:09:23. > :09:25.Manchester with them education curriculum going through the prison

:09:26. > :09:28.estate there, is that going to be the best way of a quipping that

:09:29. > :09:34.child when he or she returns to Wales estimate what we have seen

:09:35. > :09:41.with evolution is an increasing divergences in a way we handle

:09:42. > :09:52.things. We just want to enjoy that when children return, things make

:09:53. > :09:59.sense. Thank you. It is emerging that Swansea is the most overcrowded

:10:00. > :10:01.prison in England and Wales. The situation has been described as

:10:02. > :10:05.extremely serious. It is the prisons where inmates are

:10:06. > :10:08.on remand or only there for short periods of time where the demand for

:10:09. > :10:11.places is fast outstripping supply. 40 prisons across

:10:12. > :10:14.the UK have been told they need to find spare capacity for an extra 440

:10:15. > :10:17.inmates this summer. The only problem is most

:10:18. > :10:21.are already full. New figures reveal Swansea prison is

:10:22. > :10:25.the most overcrowded in the UK, with space for 242 inmates

:10:26. > :10:32.but a current population of 446. This afternoon a tense exchange

:10:33. > :10:36.between the city's MP and the Justice Secretary,

:10:37. > :10:44.Chris Grayling. Will he at last they accept

:10:45. > :10:54.responsibility for the closure of 18 jails, for the loss of 3500 prison

:10:55. > :11:00.officers, which has led to an increase in the assaults on prison

:11:01. > :11:09.officers and the suicide and self harm of prisoners. Will he resign?

:11:10. > :11:17.He did not call for resignation with Revis labour Justice Secretary 's --

:11:18. > :11:23.with previous labour Justice Secretary 's. I have provided money

:11:24. > :11:24.to build a new prison in North Wales with the that is doing the right

:11:25. > :11:25.thing. But building more prisons is not

:11:26. > :11:32.the answer some are looking for. Those big prisons, if you compare

:11:33. > :11:39.them to the committee prisons, ten to work less well and be less safe.

:11:40. > :11:44.On the whole, that prospect is not a good one. You want a balanced

:11:45. > :11:49.system, a view good community prisons and some excellent schemes

:11:50. > :11:56.working in the immunity to make a difference to victims. -- to make

:11:57. > :12:01.amends to victims. You have a situation called

:12:02. > :12:11.warehousing, where prisoners are kept in their cells for 23 hours a

:12:12. > :12:13.day, the maximum allowed, which leads to a stressful situation.

:12:14. > :12:15.The comfort of prisoners is by no means a political priority.

:12:16. > :12:18.But the risk of unrest and a summer of discontent

:12:19. > :12:23.Hand shakes and smiles - after overwhelmingly surviving a vote

:12:24. > :12:36.of no confidence, can the WRU and the regions now kiss and make up?

:12:37. > :12:41.A three-year old girl has died in hospital after being rescued from a

:12:42. > :12:45.house fire in Carmarthen yesterday evening. The child's mother remains

:12:46. > :12:53.in a serious condition in hospital. Our reporter is in our newsroom for

:12:54. > :13:02.us. What more do we know? What I can say is that the

:13:03. > :13:06.three-year-old has died, that has been confirmed in the last hour. The

:13:07. > :13:10.mother is still in a serious condition. The father managed to

:13:11. > :13:15.jump from the window you can see the Heidi. He is also in hospital. The

:13:16. > :13:21.fire broke out at around 6:15pm yesterday. The firemen were greeted

:13:22. > :13:25.with a fierce fire, which took four hours to bring under control. I

:13:26. > :13:30.spoke to people who live on the street. When the fire started, they

:13:31. > :13:33.heard screams and the street was in chaos, there was thick black smoke

:13:34. > :13:37.throughout and the house was engulfed in flames. Neighbours stood

:13:38. > :13:41.by in tears and in a state of shock. It is understood that the family had

:13:42. > :13:44.just got back from a Sunday afternoon walk and had only been

:13:45. > :13:49.home for Brad 14 minutes before the fire started. People also told me

:13:50. > :13:53.that the family had only just moved to the area and have only been here

:13:54. > :13:58.for two weeks before the fire started. Extremely tragic news, a

:13:59. > :14:00.three-year-old girl has died and her mother is still fighting for her

:14:01. > :14:08.life. Thank you. At the weekend,

:14:09. > :14:10.former First Minister Rhodri Morgan claimed ?10 million worth

:14:11. > :14:12.of improvements were made to roads on the understanding that the

:14:13. > :14:23.corporation would move to the Bay. There are calls for an

:14:24. > :14:25.investigation. Mr Morgan claimed the work was carried out on the

:14:26. > :14:26.understanding that the corporation would move to the Bay.

:14:27. > :14:29.A spokesperson for BBC Wales said Mr Morgan was mistaken.

:14:30. > :14:30.The Labour Party in Wales could decide

:14:31. > :14:34.at the weekend how many councils it wants as part of a new local

:14:35. > :14:38.Earlier this year, a report called for the number

:14:39. > :14:48.Any proposal would need some cross-party support in the Assembly.

:14:49. > :14:55.A suspected World War II bomb has been found during building work at

:14:56. > :15:00.the retail park in Newport. Homes, schools and businesses have been

:15:01. > :15:02.evacuated. Bomb disposal experts have been assessing the device and a

:15:03. > :15:08.chord is place. -- a cordon. Household recycling services

:15:09. > :15:10.in Wales are too complicated, That's according to

:15:11. > :15:12.Welsh Government's advisor on sustainability, Peter Davies,

:15:13. > :15:14.who says to continue to do better than the rest of the UK,

:15:15. > :15:17.Wales needs a simpler system. It comes as Torfaen council are

:15:18. > :15:20.considering whether to move to monthly collections

:15:21. > :15:22.for rubbish that can't be recycled. Our Gwent Valleys reporter

:15:23. > :15:24.Paul Heaney has spent two months following two households

:15:25. > :15:31.in the area. Things are getting busier at

:15:32. > :15:36.recycling plants like this one and across Wales. The recycling rate is

:15:37. > :15:45.better than the rest of the UK, in part because of ambitious targets

:15:46. > :15:50.from the Assembly. 52% of the rubbish we throw away what is

:15:51. > :15:55.recycled. As of next year, the target will be 58%. Authorities are

:15:56. > :16:00.having to find ways to encourage us to throw less into the bin. From

:16:01. > :16:06.next year, councils will be fined ?100,000 for every 1% they are below

:16:07. > :16:09.the new recycling target. One Welsh government adviser says having won

:16:10. > :16:15.set of rules for recycling everywhere in Wales could help.

:16:16. > :16:19.There are only 3 million people. There is no reason we did not have a

:16:20. > :16:23.coordinated approach that would be much clearer, not only for the

:16:24. > :16:25.householder but critically for the retailers as well because they have

:16:26. > :16:30.to deal with all of these different systems as well. The Welsh

:16:31. > :16:34.government says it is up to councils to decide how to meet targets and it

:16:35. > :16:44.is giving them money to collaborate. On the ground, there are different

:16:45. > :16:50.systems in place. In one area, they are considering debt options,

:16:51. > :16:55.smaller bins, restricting the number of bags or collecting waste once a

:16:56. > :17:05.month, with recycling every week. In an unscientific test, I followed the

:17:06. > :17:12.habits of two families, one of those was the counsellor in charge of

:17:13. > :17:20.collections in the area. After two weeks, he has sent barely anything

:17:21. > :17:27.to landfill and is able to keep up with recycling. We will be fined if

:17:28. > :17:32.we do not meet the targets. What about a family of four? What do mum

:17:33. > :17:38.and dad do with all of the packets? They throw them in the bin. Do they

:17:39. > :17:45.do anything else with them? They do recycle them. I recycle as much as I

:17:46. > :17:50.can. What I know I can throw into the recycling, I put it in. Two

:17:51. > :17:57.weeks later, I am back to find the black bin full. You can see you have

:17:58. > :18:01.food in that. When you look at the weight of that, you can see that the

:18:02. > :18:09.president is doing recycling of cardboard, we can provide more

:18:10. > :18:11.recycling facilities. A family took some advice from the council and

:18:12. > :18:18.were given an extra bin for food waste, so after another fortnight,

:18:19. > :18:24.have things improved? It is down a bit but not enough for two weeks?

:18:25. > :18:31.No, not enough. There is not two weeks worth of space in there. He

:18:32. > :18:36.tells me that families will struggle with any options that are being

:18:37. > :18:42.considered. Plastic packaging is the biggest issue. A lot of people do

:18:43. > :18:47.not know what they can recycle. I am not 100% sure. The Welsh government

:18:48. > :18:52.was to send no ways at all to landfill by 2050 but there is now a?

:18:53. > :18:53.Over whether that is possible when there are still so many different

:18:54. > :18:55.recycling systems. Claire's here now with all

:18:56. > :18:57.of tonight's sport. In the end, it was

:18:58. > :19:02.a resounding vote of confidence. The board of the Welsh Rugby Union

:19:03. > :19:05.overwhelmingly survived a vote of no confidence yesterday at the EGM

:19:06. > :19:09.in Port Talbot, prompted by former After four hours of debate,

:19:10. > :19:16.this is how things broke down. 462 opposed the motion -

:19:17. > :19:21.18 abstained, just four voted to Afterwards, chief executive

:19:22. > :19:39.Roger Lewis said lessons had been It has been a dark day, instigated

:19:40. > :19:43.by a very small minority of people. The reason I emphasise that,

:19:44. > :19:47.hundreds of men and women supported the Welsh Rugby union today. We any

:19:48. > :19:52.have four people against us in that vote of no-confidence. The rest are

:19:53. > :19:56.hundreds, supported the union. That is the reflection of where we are in

:19:57. > :20:02.Wales today. That said, we have got to continue and improve and get

:20:03. > :20:07.better stop that is our challenge. Our reporter was following

:20:08. > :20:13.proceedings yesterday. I asked him where things now stand. I think we

:20:14. > :20:16.have a rather fragile peace deal between the unions and the clubs as

:20:17. > :20:21.it stands was the union will have been glad to see off the revolt but

:20:22. > :20:23.plenty of issues on the agenda yesterday, feelings running high and

:20:24. > :20:29.the one thing that got people hot under the collar was the proposed

:20:30. > :20:31.changes to the league structure. The chairman, David Pickering, has

:20:32. > :20:36.promised that he will recommend to the board that the clubs are

:20:37. > :20:41.balloted so they have a full chance to have their say. If they do not

:20:42. > :20:45.like the proposed changes, further consultation will happen. The WRU

:20:46. > :20:51.say they are listening and will improve. They will become better at

:20:52. > :20:54.listening to what they have to say. Otherwise, as one man said at the

:20:55. > :20:59.end of the meeting, they could be back there in five years having

:21:00. > :21:02.another EGM, another possible vote of no-confidence. As for David

:21:03. > :21:08.Moffett, have we seen the last of him? He has gone back to New Zealand

:21:09. > :21:13.to lick his wounds. He might be back next year as he has a book out to

:21:14. > :21:16.try and plug that. With the EGM over, that is done and dusted, let

:21:17. > :21:21.us turn to the region is at the Welsh were reunion. Lots of talking

:21:22. > :21:26.and negotiating to do on that. They have two weeks to come to some kind

:21:27. > :21:31.of agreement. The existing participation agreement runs out on

:21:32. > :21:36.June 30. Roger Lewis said that he feels there is a detailed proposal

:21:37. > :21:44.on the table that meets the regions' financial needs. Speaking

:21:45. > :21:54.to Mark Davis, the acting head of regional rugby, he did not spark and

:21:55. > :21:57.domestic tone. Do the regions stop receiving money if they do not meet

:21:58. > :22:03.the deadline? Do they turn the tap off? He said that those were things

:22:04. > :22:05.he did not want to contemplate. They have not got long to sort something

:22:06. > :22:08.out. We watch this space. Football

:22:09. > :22:10.and they say their not thinking about world cup qualification yet,

:22:11. > :22:12.but Wales' women will take huge confidence into their next game

:22:13. > :22:14.against Belarus on Thursday, This goal from Sarah Wiltshire

:22:15. > :22:19.clinched the victory, leaving Wales five points behind group leaders

:22:20. > :22:22.England, who will automatically Wales need to finish second to have

:22:23. > :22:49.any chance of qualifying To the cricket now. Rudolph scored

:22:50. > :22:52.Glamorgan's first century of the season.

:22:53. > :22:56.Rugby and Wales have arrived in Cape Town insisting they can and

:22:57. > :22:59.will play much better in the second test, having been thrashed 38 points

:23:00. > :23:02.Coach Warren Gatland could give players like scrum half

:23:03. > :23:06.Gareth Davies and fly half Matthew Morgan a start for the final test.

:23:07. > :23:11.He'll name his side to face the Springboks on Thursday.

:23:12. > :23:14.Many fans have travelled to South Africa to watch Wales and one

:23:15. > :23:19.group of supporters have become an internet sensation overnight.

:23:20. > :23:23.12 rugby fans from Bedwas in Caerphilly held up this banner

:23:24. > :23:29.before kick off on Saturday and it got re-tweeted over 40,000 times.

:23:30. > :23:32.But, much to the disappointment of the men,

:23:33. > :23:35.it got called the best banner of the Football World Cup by mistake!

:23:36. > :23:41.The build up was on and Gerry Toms and friends

:23:42. > :23:43.were in their seats, ready for the big game.

:23:44. > :23:46.A chance to show off the banner they had printed

:23:47. > :23:51.Of course, their wives did know where they were but a challenge had

:23:52. > :23:54.been set in this pub to get themselves on TV before they left

:23:55. > :24:00.and so Gerry paid ?40 and got the banner made.

:24:01. > :24:10.For wife Liz, left doing her day job as a pig farmer,

:24:11. > :24:14.With husband Gerry being former South Wales police chief

:24:15. > :24:16.superintendent and ex-general manager of the Millennium Stadium,

:24:17. > :24:17.the trip had been planned with military precision.

:24:18. > :24:24.I came home to a number of text messages and tweets and I was

:24:25. > :24:25.staggered. The whole thing has gone viral!

:24:26. > :24:28.But when someone tweeted a screen grab of the men it got sent

:24:29. > :24:32.round the social media world as the best banner of the World Cup, which

:24:33. > :24:36.of course is going on in Rio at the same time, much to Gerry's dismay.

:24:37. > :24:46.It is quite bizarre, we were wearing red shirts. We were clearly Welsh. I

:24:47. > :24:48.thought it would be fairly obvious. But it just added to the interest in

:24:49. > :24:50.the ballot itself. Back at the Church House pub

:24:51. > :25:07.in Bedwas, they've currently lost 12 All they could talk about was their

:25:08. > :25:12.tour. I'm sure it will the same when they come back. The last time, they

:25:13. > :25:14.start talking about it three years after they came back.

:25:15. > :25:17.After such a response, Gerry and mates are now planning a sequel

:25:18. > :25:22.Let's see what the weather picture has in store for the week -

:25:23. > :25:28.There's plenty more dry weather to come this week.

:25:29. > :25:30.Cloud amounts will vary from day to day, but some sunny spells.

:25:31. > :25:34.Just the odd shower and not everywhere will see those.

:25:35. > :25:39.Some patchy cloud otherwise the sky clear.

:25:40. > :25:46.The temperature in Powys dropping to 9 Celsius.

:25:47. > :25:49.Tomorrow's chart shows high pressure over the Atlantic near

:25:50. > :25:53.So here's the picture for 8am in the morning.

:25:54. > :26:00.Elsewhere clear, bright and sunny and feeling warm

:26:01. > :26:07.Some lovely sunshine although some cloud with breaks in it will spread

:26:08. > :26:16.Top temperature around 22 Celsius, so nice and warm.

:26:17. > :26:24.Cooler on the north and west coast with an onshore breeze.

:26:25. > :26:26.Once again, the Pollen count tomorrow will be

:26:27. > :26:44.Tomorrow night most of the country dry but there is the possibility

:26:45. > :26:47.of a shower in the northeast and Powys during the early hours.

:26:48. > :26:49.Perhaps some sea mist on the north and west coast.

:26:50. > :26:51.On Wednesday probably more cloud than sunshine.

:26:52. > :26:54.One or two showers for example in the south otherwise dry.

:26:55. > :27:00.Bright in places with temperatures on the warm side.

:27:01. > :27:15.Good weather if you're for working outdoors this week -

:27:16. > :27:17.some farmers have already taken advantage of the fine conditions

:27:18. > :27:30.The headlines, Islamist militants have captured another town in the

:27:31. > :27:32.north of Iraq. William Hague has confirmed to MPs that Britain has no

:27:33. > :27:34.plans for military intervention. I'll have an update for you

:27:35. > :27:39.after the BBC News at 10pm. From all of us on the programme,

:27:40. > :27:44.good evening.