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:00:18. > :00:19.Louisa Tanner had a breakdown but ended up in a police cell.
:00:20. > :00:23.Tonight, calls to improve care for mental-health patients.
:00:24. > :00:30.It is frightening because you can hear other people who have been
:00:31. > :00:35.locked up for committing crimes and they are vocal, banging on the
:00:36. > :00:36.cells. You are already in a distressed state and it just makes
:00:37. > :00:52.you more distressed. They don't shut properly so in the
:00:53. > :00:56.window we can't shut them openly. They don't open properly so in the
:00:57. > :00:58.summer we can't have any ventilation. It is not pleasant for
:00:59. > :00:59.our students. Leaking windows and cold classrooms
:01:00. > :01:02.- the teaching union which wants to double the amount
:01:03. > :01:04.spent on schools. The council facing an unprecended
:01:05. > :01:08.cut of ?21 million. They want to build a windfarm here,
:01:09. > :01:12.on common land near Swansea. Now a public inquiry will decide
:01:13. > :01:15.if it'll ruin this landscape And, the kids are in the creche
:01:16. > :01:24.while Mum's in the gym - more of us are getting
:01:25. > :01:27.active, but fewer women Should someone in the middle
:01:28. > :01:46.of a mental-health crisis ever end That's the reality
:01:47. > :01:50.for too many patients, according to mental-health experts
:01:51. > :01:52.who've spoken to Wales Today. They've described support
:01:53. > :01:54.here as patchy, and are calling for more appropriate
:01:55. > :01:55.places of safety - As part of the BBC's In The Mind
:01:56. > :02:00.season, Carys Notley has Rowan has lived with chronic
:02:01. > :02:04.depression and anxiety Now at 22 she blogs about her mental
:02:05. > :02:17.health and how her conditions mean she sometimes has breakdowns
:02:18. > :02:21.which can leave her vulnerable. It's almost like a flick kind
:02:22. > :02:27.of switches in your brain and you think, the only thing
:02:28. > :02:30.I want to do right now And, you know, take
:02:31. > :02:33.it out on yourself. Two years ago Rowan had a severe
:02:34. > :02:35.breakdown, harming herself badly, But she says the poor care
:02:36. > :02:40.she received in A would deter her I felt like I was being a bit
:02:41. > :02:48.of a burden because I had done it to myself, so I was just asking
:02:49. > :02:52.somebody else to clean up my mess rather than being a patient
:02:53. > :02:57.who deserved care. There was no mental-health nurse,
:02:58. > :03:00.nobody came to talk to me, it was just stapled
:03:01. > :03:02.up and on your way. A departments are not
:03:03. > :03:04.always equipped to deal They often don't have specialists
:03:05. > :03:13.working there who can advise and identify onward routes
:03:14. > :03:18.of referral for individuals. So people may end up in A
:03:19. > :03:22.departments but they may not be best Whilst Rowan said she would have
:03:23. > :03:27.benefited from further care, many others experiencing a crisis
:03:28. > :03:29.are detained for their own safety Last year 1181 people in Wales
:03:30. > :03:38.were admitted to a health-based place of safety but when there
:03:39. > :03:41.are no hospital beds available often the only safe place for people
:03:42. > :03:44.to go is a police cell, which is where 541 people
:03:45. > :03:48.in distress were held. She has borderline personality
:03:49. > :03:54.disorder, which affects her moods In 2014, aged 21, she started
:03:55. > :04:03.experiencing unbearable suicidal thoughts and ended up spending
:04:04. > :04:06.the night in a cell. It is very frightening
:04:07. > :04:09.because you can hear other people who have been locked up
:04:10. > :04:12.for committing crimes and they are being vocal,
:04:13. > :04:15.banging on the cells, and you are already in a distressed
:04:16. > :04:19.state and it just makes you feel There are calls for more suitable
:04:20. > :04:25.places of safety where people can go to recover, places like this crisis
:04:26. > :04:28.house run by the charity Gofal in partnership with Cardiff
:04:29. > :04:31.and Vale health board. This crisis house in Cardiff
:04:32. > :04:35.is currently the only one in Wales with private bedrooms,
:04:36. > :04:38.homely living areas and support It's a place of safety and sanctuary
:04:39. > :04:45.where people can come to recover from their crisis whilst
:04:46. > :04:49.maintaining their independence. Gofal wants to see the creation
:04:50. > :04:52.of more services like this 93% of people who stay here return
:04:53. > :05:00.home after a seven-day stay, whereas in a hospital you can expect
:05:01. > :05:04.to stay for a minimum of 28 days. So this is an environment that
:05:05. > :05:07.for some people supports a much better and quicker
:05:08. > :05:09.process of recovery. But some experts say more research
:05:10. > :05:15.is still needed on their benefits. The Welsh Government says spending
:05:16. > :05:19.on mental-health services in Wales is rising and points to an agreement
:05:20. > :05:22.signed in December between police forces, charities, the NHS,
:05:23. > :05:25.councils and other agencies. The idea is to bring these bodies
:05:26. > :05:29.together to improve crisis care. For Rowan, who could experience
:05:30. > :05:32.a crisis at any moment, an alternative couldn't come soon
:05:33. > :05:35.enough, as she is unsure Dr Ben Hannigan is an expert
:05:36. > :05:40.in mental-health care at Cardiff University,
:05:41. > :05:50.and used to work in the community Why does the help on offer for some
:05:51. > :05:56.mental health patients appear to be so patchy? I wouldn't underestimate
:05:57. > :06:02.the advances that have been -- been made over a period of time but I saw
:06:03. > :06:07.your package and I know there are people who experience a poor quality
:06:08. > :06:12.of service. I think that we will always need a system in which we
:06:13. > :06:15.have mental health hospitals, extremely important. But hospitals
:06:16. > :06:21.of course not the most appropriate place for some people, they can be
:06:22. > :06:25.far from people's homes, they can be stigmatising for some people, so I
:06:26. > :06:31.hear very clearly some people saying that they would much prefer crisis
:06:32. > :06:34.houses all community crisis resolution and home treatment teams
:06:35. > :06:41.providing a much more community focused service. What is the
:06:42. > :06:45.solution? Is it about spending much more money, often the answer given
:06:46. > :06:47.by many people, or a different approach, organisations
:06:48. > :06:55.communicating better with each other? It is probably all of those
:06:56. > :06:59.things. If we look historically at how mental health care has been
:07:00. > :07:02.funded and supported it has not received the kind of support that
:07:03. > :07:09.services for physical health problems has had, so there is a real
:07:10. > :07:12.issue around parity of esteem. I think we need a mixed system of
:07:13. > :07:17.services, so we certainly need hospitals. I wouldn't envisage a
:07:18. > :07:25.system with momentum health hospitals. But we need alternatives,
:07:26. > :07:29.we need alternatives like the Gofal crisis house. We also need community
:07:30. > :07:36.crisis resolution and home treatment, there are some real good
:07:37. > :07:40.examples of that in Wales and across the UK, so they will provide
:07:41. > :07:45.intensive face-to-face care and support to people in their own homes
:07:46. > :07:48.who would otherwise be in hospital. Thank you very much.
:07:49. > :07:50.Tomorrow night we'll be reporting on the calls to improve specialist
:07:51. > :07:53.services for people who are deaf and living
:07:54. > :07:59.The Welsh Government needs to double the amount it's spending
:08:00. > :08:06.That's according to a teachers' union here, amid claims that many
:08:07. > :08:10.school buildings aren't "up to scratch".
:08:11. > :08:12.One Newport headteacher has told BBC Wales that some buildings
:08:13. > :08:18.The Government has described its record on new school
:08:19. > :08:36.This high school in the 1970s. And now. Not a lot has changed. Despite
:08:37. > :08:41.being judged good it is feeling its age. With holes in the canteen hall,
:08:42. > :08:45.leaking roofs and windows and abandoned classrooms. The
:08:46. > :08:50.headteacher, who has improved the GCSE pass rate by 16%, says some
:08:51. > :08:54.buildings are deplorable and blames Newport council and the Welsh
:08:55. > :08:59.government for not doing enough to improve buildings like his. There is
:09:00. > :09:04.a whole generation of school stock with leaking roofs, for windows,
:09:05. > :09:11.poor heating, classrooms which are too small or cramped. I think there
:09:12. > :09:16.is a whole generation of schools and education out there that are very
:09:17. > :09:21.close to that picture. But this evening it has emerged that these
:09:22. > :09:25.plans to improve the school could still become a reality. They were
:09:26. > :09:29.rejected by councillors over fears the site may flood but tonight
:09:30. > :09:36.Newport council says it has resubmitted the proposals to
:09:37. > :09:40.refurbish the school. Lauren, an English teacher at the school, hopes
:09:41. > :09:44.the plans will become a reality so she won't have to teach in a room
:09:45. > :09:48.where students get wet when it rains. We can't shut them properly,
:09:49. > :09:52.they don't open properly so in summer we can't have any
:09:53. > :09:57.ventilation. It is not pleasant for the students. In 2010 the auditor
:09:58. > :10:02.general for Wales said there was a long way to go before all school
:10:03. > :10:05.buildings here were fit for purpose. The Welsh government says it is
:10:06. > :10:10.investing nearly ?2 billion in schools and colleges through its
:10:11. > :10:15.21st century schools programme. It says it is the most ambitious school
:10:16. > :10:20.building an improvement programme since the 1960s but the Association
:10:21. > :10:23.of teachers and lecturers in Wales disagreed and they want the Welsh
:10:24. > :10:27.government to increase the amount they spending. They agree with the
:10:28. > :10:31.National Union of Teachers here that many school buildings are not up to
:10:32. > :10:35.scratch. Definitely doubled the amount we asked seeing going in. We
:10:36. > :10:42.need to get the school stock right and give youngsters the best start
:10:43. > :10:48.in life. This evening, a glimmer of hope for pupils here and for those
:10:49. > :10:55.hoping to attend Newport's first medium secondary school. But other
:10:56. > :10:56.children across Wales may not be so lucky.
:10:57. > :10:59.Councillors in Denbighshire have voted to push ahead
:11:00. > :11:01.with controversial plans to close Ysgol Llanbedr Primary School
:11:02. > :11:06.There were more than 900 objections, but the council says the closure
:11:07. > :11:09.in August comes as part of its review into school provision
:11:10. > :11:16.Councils across Wales have been discussing their budgets
:11:17. > :11:18.and Flintshire Council has agreed to making what it describes
:11:19. > :11:23.as "unprecedented" savings of ?21 million.
:11:24. > :11:26.It says it is protecting core services but they will be at risk
:11:27. > :11:39.Deeside Leisure Centre in Queensferry is a place
:11:40. > :11:44.skate and even go curling, and from next month you'll also be
:11:45. > :11:53.It's about to become home to a ?130,000 centralised library
:11:54. > :11:58.hub as part of Flintshire Council's plan to save ?50,000 a year.
:11:59. > :12:00.It will replace three local libraries, including one
:12:01. > :12:02.in the village of Mancot, where the community has decided
:12:03. > :12:13.I particularly don't like the hub they have in Queensferry but if
:12:14. > :12:19.people can get books from there I am reasonably happy about that. I am
:12:20. > :12:27.more happy about the way we are going here in man cut. The county
:12:28. > :12:30.council are gifting us all the books. -- in Mancot.
:12:31. > :12:33.Today Flintshire Council has agreed its budget for the next year
:12:34. > :12:34.and approved what it calls unprecedented savings
:12:35. > :12:42.The position of Flintshire is something we have articulated to
:12:43. > :12:49.government, we will continue to do so and we are an efficient and
:12:50. > :12:53.innovative council but the threat of austerity means that those risks
:12:54. > :13:04.will be there in years to come but we will continue to fight and defend
:13:05. > :13:09.services. In Quinn the council is debating whether to cut funding to
:13:10. > :13:15.the Lord George Museum until next year.
:13:16. > :13:17.In Gwynedd the authority has been identifying ?5 million
:13:18. > :13:19.of potential savings - today it's deferred a decision
:13:20. > :13:22.on whether to cut funding to the David Lloyd George Museum
:13:23. > :13:25.In the weeks ahead councils across Wales will have to make
:13:26. > :13:28.similar tough decisions as they join Gwynedd and Flintshire in trying
:13:29. > :13:42.More of us are getting active, except, however, women
:13:43. > :13:55.And, it's her song - Welsh singer/songwriter Amy Wadge
:13:56. > :13:58.celebrates winning the biggest prize in music.
:13:59. > :14:01.A public inquiry to consider whether or not a windfarm can be
:14:02. > :14:08.The proposal at Mynydd y Gwair is on common land and the inquiry
:14:09. > :14:14.will decide if land can be exchanged for the building of 16 turbines.
:14:15. > :14:16.The developer, RWE, says the project will benefit the environment
:14:17. > :14:18.and the local economy, but objectors say it
:14:19. > :14:27.Mynydd y Gwair and the rolling hills that look down over Swansea Bay.
:14:28. > :14:31.But there could be some significant changes to this landscape
:14:32. > :14:35.if the Welsh Government gives the go-ahead
:14:36. > :14:44.Swansea Council has already granted permission for the project but today
:14:45. > :14:47.a third public enquiry got under way to decide if suitable land can
:14:48. > :14:50.be found in exchange for the common land used by farmers,
:14:51. > :14:53.The last offer made was said to be unsuitable and the development
:14:54. > :14:56.was blocked so a third enquiry has frustrated objecters.
:14:57. > :14:59.We have been fighting this battle since
:15:00. > :15:05.They just don't know the meaning of the word no.
:15:06. > :15:09.It's common land, it's not just any old land,
:15:10. > :15:12.it's common land that we all have the use of.
:15:13. > :15:14.These hills are often covered with grazing sheep
:15:15. > :15:17.Farmers say if the development goes ahead it will interfere
:15:18. > :15:20.with a tradition going back hundreds of years.
:15:21. > :15:22.The farming community on Mynydd y Gwair,
:15:23. > :15:25.it's estimated that it is worth ?5 million to the local economy
:15:26. > :15:27.every year, through sales of beef, sheep,
:15:28. > :15:36.We use it to graze animals so that we can produce food to sell
:15:37. > :15:41.You know, that is there, and for every one farmer who grazes
:15:42. > :15:44.on Mynydd y Gwair he supports ten other people.
:15:45. > :15:46.RWE says it has listened to concerns and alterations
:15:47. > :15:52.This time the company is offering four sections of replacement land
:15:53. > :15:54.as an alternative to the areas that will be taken up
:15:55. > :16:02.It also says the overall space for grazing and
:16:03. > :16:05.public access will increase once the building work is complete.
:16:06. > :16:07.We will not need to stop access to the
:16:08. > :16:12.common during the construction or operation period.
:16:13. > :16:17.We have put in place measures, particularly crossing points for
:16:18. > :16:23.members of the public so they can use the land as they normally would.
:16:24. > :16:27.The public enquiry is due to last for three days. The planning
:16:28. > :16:28.inspector will then report to the Welsh government before the minister
:16:29. > :16:31.makes a final decision. Health, education, and the economy -
:16:32. > :16:34.the things Plaid Cymru wants to talk about before May's
:16:35. > :16:36.assembly election. But Leanne Wood, the party's leader,
:16:37. > :16:39.says they have to keep working to tackle misconceptions
:16:40. > :16:40.about her party. For the latest in our series
:16:41. > :16:43.of interviews with party leaders, Daniel Davies went back
:16:44. > :16:57.to the classroom with Leanne Wood. You came when you were 11?
:16:58. > :17:05.Back to school, even visit to this community college. When Leanne Wood
:17:06. > :17:10.was in their schools she wanted to be television newsreader. Now she
:17:11. > :17:15.aspires to be First Minister. The only way now we can make sure that
:17:16. > :17:19.our country moves forward is to shake up the political system. That
:17:20. > :17:24.is that lesson getting through to voters? The opinion polls are not
:17:25. > :17:29.what I would like them to be at the moment, I would like to see
:17:30. > :17:34.improvement, but I think that can be achieved by communicating with
:17:35. > :17:39.people on the ground. What would First Minister Leanne Wood do? In
:17:40. > :17:48.education Plaid Cymru with write-offs six hundred thousand
:17:49. > :18:09.pounds Best ?6,000 a year for students. -- right half ?6,000 a
:18:10. > :18:12.year. But does Leanne Wood have a message for people who pigeonhole
:18:13. > :18:18.Plaid Cymru as the party of the Welsh language? Across the country
:18:19. > :18:23.it is clear that it is health, education and the economy that are
:18:24. > :18:29.top priorities, so they are our top priorities as well. But do people
:18:30. > :18:33.realise that or do you still come up against people who say, well, Plaid
:18:34. > :18:38.Cymru doesn't represent this part of Wales, it is the party of Welsh
:18:39. > :18:42.speakers? There are still misconceptions about Plaid Cymru...
:18:43. > :18:48.How much of the problem is that? I still spend a lot of time, I was in
:18:49. > :18:54.a meeting in Mountain Ash last night talking about exactly these things,
:18:55. > :18:57.and it is up to our party to make sure that we scotched those
:18:58. > :19:04.misconceptions. Leanne Wood, the secondary school tubal. Her hair has
:19:05. > :19:08.changed since the mid-19 80s but she says many of her political
:19:09. > :19:15.convictions have not. A stones throw from the school, the area she still
:19:16. > :19:20.lives and the community where she hopes to unseat the local Labour
:19:21. > :19:24.member in May. Plaid Cymru launches its election campaign tomorrow.
:19:25. > :19:27.The number of adults taking part in sport three times a week or more
:19:28. > :19:30.has increased, according to Sport Wales.
:19:31. > :19:32.However, the research also says that a million adults
:19:33. > :19:36.Women, disabled people and those from deprived areas are also less
:19:37. > :19:48.Dragging yourself to the gym, to a swimming pool or throwing on a pair
:19:49. > :19:53.of trainers, it comes easier to some than others. People in Wales Young
:19:54. > :20:00.and old are realising the importance of being active. As you get older
:20:01. > :20:06.you need the exercise to keep your heart healthy. It makes you feel
:20:07. > :20:13.good. I wanted to lose weight and I lost four stones in two years. 41%
:20:14. > :20:17.of adults according to a new Sport Wales survey take part in some kind
:20:18. > :20:23.of sporting activity at least three times a week. It is a slight 2%
:20:24. > :20:27.increase on the 2013 figures but participation in other parts of the
:20:28. > :20:33.UK has declined. We are delighted, we are proud in Wales to see that we
:20:34. > :20:38.saw a significant increase since the Olympics and Paralympics. That bucks
:20:39. > :20:43.the trend in the UK and the drops in England. It is not just about elite
:20:44. > :20:47.sport but activity for everybody. The survey found gaps in
:20:48. > :20:51.participation, progs between men and women. Childcare and day-to-day
:20:52. > :20:56.schedules can be valid reasons for not being active but it isn't a
:20:57. > :21:04.problem at this child friendly gym in Cardiff. We know -- sickness is
:21:05. > :21:10.important to me, not just physically but to keep my mind access --
:21:11. > :21:15.active. Without this I wouldn't be going to the gym and I wouldn't be
:21:16. > :21:19.as healthy. Sport Wales are also aware that more work needs to be
:21:20. > :21:25.done to get people with disabilities involved in sport. Just 29% are
:21:26. > :21:29.active at least three times a week. Access to classes and gym sessions
:21:30. > :21:34.is still an issue according to this charity in Blackwood. There is
:21:35. > :21:38.nowhere near enough activities. Leisure centres and community
:21:39. > :21:42.centres are trying to put on more activities for people with
:21:43. > :21:47.disabilities, physical, learning and mental health problems, but there
:21:48. > :21:53.are not as many activities that people who do have health
:21:54. > :21:57.conditions. As many as 67% of people who are not already hooked on sports
:21:58. > :21:59.would like to be more active. There is work to be done but it seems to
:22:00. > :22:02.be a step in the right direction. Snooker, and the controversy over
:22:03. > :22:05.that maximum break that wasn't seemed to have little effect
:22:06. > :22:07.on Ronnie O'Sullivan He took less than 40 minutes to beat
:22:08. > :22:11.China's Tian Pengfei 4-0 and move Also through are Wales'
:22:12. > :22:20.Michael White and Matthew Stevens. Welsh singer/songwriter Amy Wadge
:22:21. > :22:22.is celebrating after winning She picked up a Grammy award
:22:23. > :22:28.in Los Angeles last night for co-writing Ed Sheeran's hit
:22:29. > :22:30.single Thinking Out Loud. Our arts and media correspondent,
:22:31. > :22:32.Huw Thomas, reports. # Till we're 70...
:22:33. > :22:40.# It's the record that's been sold
:22:41. > :22:44.and streamed millions of times around the world, and has reached
:22:45. > :22:47.number one in at least And while it's Ed Sheeran who stars,
:22:48. > :22:51.Amy Wadge from Church Village near Pontypridd helped
:22:52. > :22:54.compose the lyrics. Together they collected the Grammy
:22:55. > :22:57.award for Song of the Year, with Amy Wadge alongside
:22:58. > :23:03.Sheeran on stage. They've since been
:23:04. > :23:05.swamped with praise, and after the ceremony Amy Wadge
:23:06. > :23:07.tweeted that she was so, # Darling, my heart could still
:23:08. > :23:24.fall as hard at 23... writing songs together for years,
:23:25. > :23:28.and before heading to the Grammys she explained how their success
:23:29. > :23:30.had changed her life. To be egotistical, the general
:23:31. > :23:32.respect thing has changed. You go to award ceremonies
:23:33. > :23:35.and when people used to go "Oh, no, it's Amy Wadge",
:23:36. > :23:38.they don't do that any more! And it's quite nice,
:23:39. > :23:40.and I take it with a pinch But, yeah, life has changed a lot
:23:41. > :23:45.in terms of the job I do but in lots of other ways it hasn't
:23:46. > :23:48.changed that much because luckily There were big celebrations in LA
:23:49. > :23:53.after last night's ceremony, We remained in text contact right up
:23:54. > :24:01.to the point where the ceremony started, and we spoke to her
:24:02. > :24:07.imediately after and she was very hyper, very emotional,
:24:08. > :24:09.and just deliriously happy. Amy Wadge's success
:24:10. > :24:15.is no surprise to those She was a popular artist
:24:16. > :24:19.in her own right. Started co-writing with quite young
:24:20. > :24:23.artists, so when she and Ed Sheeran first started writing together
:24:24. > :24:25.she was very much mentoring a really young writer, and I think
:24:26. > :24:27.their friendship blossomed Amy Wadge's song has already had
:24:28. > :24:35.record-breaking success - now her award-winning partnership
:24:36. > :24:37.with Ed Sheeran has earned them the world's most
:24:38. > :24:42.prestigious music prize. You may remember towards the end
:24:43. > :24:45.of last year comedian Rhod Gilbert joined Wales Today as
:24:46. > :25:03.the team's newest reporter. Nobody expects this. If I can ask
:25:04. > :25:07.you to just come forward a bit and I will press record. We are recording.
:25:08. > :25:14.If you can direct your answers to me. Are you a motorist? Know. So
:25:15. > :25:19.that is no good, is it? You should have asked that first. Cut!
:25:20. > :25:33.You can see that tonight at 10:30pm. Today, though, started
:25:34. > :25:36.cold and frosty. This picture taken by our
:25:37. > :25:39.Weather Watcher, Gerald Actually last night was one
:25:40. > :25:43.of the coldest nights of the winter. In parts of Powys the temperature
:25:44. > :25:47.dropped as low as -6. dry for a while but rain on Anglesey
:25:48. > :25:52.will become more widespread Gusts 50, 60 mph in the northwest
:25:53. > :25:57.with temperatures above freezing. Here's the picture for
:25:58. > :25:59.eight in the morning. No frost and no sunshine but dull,
:26:00. > :26:04.cold and wet. Some heavy rain and poor travelling
:26:05. > :26:10.conditions. The hills and mountains too,
:26:11. > :26:26.but in the west it should dry up Highs between four
:26:27. > :26:30.and eight Celsius. In the Heads of
:26:31. > :26:31.the Valleys tomorrow. In the Vale of Clwyd, cloudy
:26:32. > :26:42.tomorrow with rain. Tomorrow evening, rain,
:26:43. > :26:51.sleet and snow, mainly in the east, Most places dry overnight
:26:52. > :26:56.with frost and icy patches. Thursday will start frosty and icy -
:26:57. > :27:02.otherwise a better day. Some sunshine and drier,
:27:03. > :27:11.just one or two showers. fronts will move in from
:27:12. > :27:16.the Atlantic bringing Saturday windy and mild
:27:17. > :27:21.with rain and drizzle. However it should turn colder
:27:22. > :27:23.and brighter on Sunday So not a great day tomorrow but much
:27:24. > :27:35.brighter on Thursday. Mental health experts are calling
:27:36. > :27:39.for more crisis homes for people facing a mental health crisis. They
:27:40. > :27:45.have described the support here as Apache. -- patchy.
:27:46. > :27:48.I'll have an update for you here at eight o'clock and again