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:00:11. > :00:18.top stories: Over 6 million Spaniards are looking for work as

:00:18. > :00:23.the jobless figures hit a record high of 27.2%. Rescuers hear the

:00:23. > :00:28.pleas from workers trapped under the rubble in the Bangladesh factory

:00:28. > :00:33.collapse. 183 people are known to have died. Getting closer to the

:00:33. > :00:36.law: Confirmation that a French publisher and photographer are

:00:36. > :00:42.investigated over topless pictures of the Duchess of Cambridge. And

:00:42. > :00:52.Robert redford talks about his new film. The Sundance Festival and miss

:00:52. > :01:00.

:01:00. > :01:04.missed opportunities. -- missed opportunities. Hello everybody.

:01:04. > :01:08.Finding work in Spain is hard, it has gotten harder. The jobless

:01:08. > :01:14.figures published a couple of hours ago, show that unemployment has hit

:01:14. > :01:18.a record high. Spain's jobless rate rising to 27.2% for the first

:01:18. > :01:24.quarter of the year. That means that more than 6 million people have no

:01:24. > :01:29.job. That is one person in four. On Friday, the Spanish government is

:01:29. > :01:33.due to announce target reforms but many in Spain and elsewhere in

:01:33. > :01:37.Europe are starting to think that the austerity policies are

:01:37. > :01:44.themselves holding back economic growth. Let's go live to the BBC's

:01:44. > :01:49.Burj Al-Arab who joins me from Madrid -- Tom Burridge. Tom, is this

:01:49. > :01:52.better or worse than expected with the numbers? Well, I think probably

:01:53. > :01:57.slightly worse, Nick. The figures were expected to go up. The

:01:57. > :02:01.government said so. 27%, though, it is probably slightly higher than

:02:01. > :02:05.many would have thought. I think that they have passed here in Spain,

:02:05. > :02:09.a depressing milestone for many. 6 million people are now unemployed in

:02:09. > :02:12.Spain that is difficult for the government politically. How is the

:02:12. > :02:16.government going to respond to this, given that there is now a debate

:02:16. > :02:23.that you have been reporting on, about whether austerity is still

:02:23. > :02:27.justified as the way forward to achieve new growth? Well, I think

:02:27. > :02:32.that there has been a change of tone from the Spanish government in weeks

:02:32. > :02:35.over the austerity debate. They seem to be appealing to Brussels and to

:02:35. > :02:40.the European Commission, to say that they have done a lot of austerity

:02:40. > :02:45.last year. If they do more all at the same time, it necessarily a good

:02:45. > :02:50.thing? The idea of almost strangling the economy when it is down. You

:02:50. > :02:55.pump lots of austerity, you cut public spending, increase taxes so

:02:55. > :02:59.that people have less money in their pocket to spend in the economy and

:02:59. > :03:03.you are prolonging the recession that is how the argument is going.

:03:03. > :03:08.That is gaining traction from Spain and from the comments of Christine

:03:08. > :03:12.Lagarde, the head of the IMF in recent days, and top officials of

:03:12. > :03:16.key financial institutions in Europe. That message seems be --

:03:16. > :03:21.seems to be getting through. More economic reforms tomorrow, yes but

:03:21. > :03:25.probably not as tough as those we have seen in the last year. Tom, if

:03:25. > :03:30.they were to change the policy or modify it in that way, there would

:03:30. > :03:35.be a significant lag time, where what is going on now would continue

:03:35. > :03:40.even before there is a change, maybe for the better? I think that is

:03:40. > :03:44.exactly it. There is a balance to be struck. The government has to keep

:03:44. > :03:47.some form of austerity. There are key areas, for example public

:03:47. > :03:52.pensions in Spain. Talk to any economist, they will tell you that

:03:52. > :03:56.pensions must be addressed at some point it looks like the government

:03:56. > :04:01.may hold off on that for now. We will find out tomorrow, but there

:04:01. > :04:06.are other areas, maybe governance, the political structural system in

:04:06. > :04:12.Spain. A lot of people feel that must be reformed. . Certainly, Spain

:04:12. > :04:18.is going to make more and more economic reforms. The question is

:04:18. > :04:22.how much, how deep and when and it goes back to the argument we

:04:22. > :04:27.mentioned, if you do it all at once and take a lot of public money out

:04:27. > :04:32.of the system, you hurt people's pockets further, when there are such

:04:32. > :04:37.high levels of unemployment here, are you just prolonging the

:04:37. > :04:46.recession further? Spain is in its fifth year of an economic crisis.

:04:46. > :04:50.Thank you very much. Here in the UK, there has been some slightly better

:04:50. > :04:57.news on the economy. Official figures are just released suggesting

:04:57. > :05:02.that Britain has narrowly voided slipping into recession for a third

:05:02. > :05:08.time in five years, a so-called triple dip. The economy grew by

:05:08. > :05:13.0.3%. That is higher than expected. So, what is the reading? Let's go to

:05:13. > :05:18.the BBC's Political Correspondent, Rob Watson. How are the politicians

:05:18. > :05:24.reading this? As you can imagine, this was being watched carefully. As

:05:24. > :05:30.you said, Britain as narrowly avoided a triple dip recession, that

:05:30. > :05:36.is hugely important politically. Not surprisingly, the coalition

:05:36. > :05:40.government here in the UK has been talking about this very much as a

:05:40. > :05:44.sign of progress. I think that they are hugely relieved. What you have

:05:44. > :05:48.heard from the op silgs, and from some of the trade unions is that it

:05:48. > :05:53.is still not good enough. That while there has been growth, overall,

:05:54. > :05:59.looking at the rate of the economic recovery in Britain it is very slow

:05:59. > :06:04.and indeed rather flat. Let's pick up on the debate that is grow

:06:04. > :06:08.growing traction in Spain, about whether or not austerity is the

:06:08. > :06:13.right way to do things. The IMF has put Britain under pressure, saying

:06:13. > :06:17.maybe you are going for austerity too strongly? I should say, Nick,

:06:17. > :06:22.that the debate about austerity has always been here in the UK. Of

:06:22. > :06:25.course, you had the opposition Labour Party which was in government

:06:25. > :06:30.previously, calling on the Government from the start to try to

:06:30. > :06:34.cut the deficit at about half of the speed it was aiming to do. The

:06:34. > :06:39.coalition on its particular course. That debate has never gone away. I

:06:39. > :06:43.don't think it is going to go away any time soon. Interestingly, I

:06:43. > :06:48.bring this up, as you have been talking about Spain, a recent

:06:48. > :06:57.opinion poll has suggested that the British voters are sympathetic and

:06:57. > :07:00.able to bare austerity. Indeed their opposition to it and to the speed of

:07:00. > :07:08.reigning in Government spending has lessoned in recent months. Thank you

:07:08. > :07:13.very much. Now, let's go to Bangladesh where hundreds of

:07:13. > :07:18.desperate workers and relatives are digging with whatever they can to

:07:18. > :07:22.pull survivors from a wreck agenda. More than 180 people have died when

:07:22. > :07:28.the eight-storey building collapsed, but it is feared that the final

:07:28. > :07:35.figure will be higher. 1,500 people have escaped. Well we have the

:07:35. > :07:38.latest from the area. As you can imagine, the frantic rescue

:07:38. > :07:45.processes continued over the night and throughout the day today. They

:07:45. > :07:50.are still doing it now. In two days they have pulled out about 1,500

:07:50. > :07:55.people alive from the wreck agenda, from the debris. The rescue

:07:55. > :08:01.officials are saying that they will continue to explore for people who

:08:01. > :08:08.are trapped inside. There are lots of activities going on. They are

:08:08. > :08:18.trying to open the mrgs -- they are trying to open the buildings. They

:08:18. > :08:18.

:08:19. > :08:24.are trying to access people in them, trying to provide food and water.

:08:24. > :08:28.Masood, what about the politics of this, on the regulatory issues, the

:08:28. > :08:34.issues about so many factories and buildings like this, where there

:08:34. > :08:39.must be real doubts about how safe they are now? It really proves that

:08:39. > :08:47.the volume untear efforts by, on behalf of the garment factory owners

:08:47. > :08:53.to ensure safety to their workers is not really working. Because of Go

:08:53. > :08:56.factory workers are powerful in the country, like a holy cow. They can

:08:56. > :09:03.have pressure on the government. It looks like the government is

:09:03. > :09:06.incapable of doing anything to safety to the people. This has been,

:09:06. > :09:11.these sort of questions are being asked by the people on the street as

:09:11. > :09:16.well as in the traditional media and the social networks, how come this

:09:16. > :09:22.tragedy could happen to these people, to these workers? They are

:09:22. > :09:27.poor people. Most of them are women. Why are the garment factory owners

:09:27. > :09:32.are allowing them inside despite discovering major cracks in the

:09:32. > :09:38.building structure. To China now. State media has accused terrorists

:09:38. > :09:43.of being behind vining in an area where more than 20 people have died.

:09:43. > :09:52.There is a history of tension in the region. Nearly 200 people died in

:09:53. > :09:57.riots in the regional capital four years ago. I asked if detail has

:09:57. > :10:01.emerged from the area, where it is often not easy to get information.

:10:01. > :10:05.We have had no news of the information since the news of the

:10:05. > :10:09.attack came out leader. -- yesterday. It is a frustrating story

:10:09. > :10:16.to report on it is difficult to uncover the truth of what went. Two

:10:16. > :10:21.very, very different accounts of what sparked the violence in

:10:21. > :10:26.Kashgar. The government arguing it was a planned terrorist attack while

:10:26. > :10:29.others arguing that the Chinese police sparked the attack when they

:10:29. > :10:32.shot a local youth. It is difficult to know what is going on in the

:10:32. > :10:36.ground. There has been little information coming out of the area

:10:37. > :10:44.today. What about the politics of this? The Chinese central government

:10:44. > :10:48.is warning of what it calls terrorism, and pointing to the

:10:48. > :10:52.Uighur problem? Exactly. Chinese officials argued that there is a

:10:52. > :11:00.double standard applied by Western countries when using the term

:11:00. > :11:09.terrorism. The Chinese government argued that the. Ighur does employ

:11:09. > :11:14.terrorist tactics. Many argue that this is not the case Uighur. Many

:11:14. > :11:21.are saying that the Chinese heavy-handed policing creates much

:11:21. > :11:25.of the problems there. So the use of the term terrorism in relation to

:11:25. > :11:31.these people is unreasonable. issing a the United Nations to

:11:31. > :11:36.create a new multinational force to take over its operations. The idea

:11:36. > :11:41.to deploy 12,000 mostly West African soldiers to the region from July the

:11:41. > :11:48.1st. The UN Security Council is to vote on the plan from Mali on

:11:48. > :11:52.Tuesday. We report from council north of the capital, Bamako. France

:11:52. > :11:59.came to the rescue of its former colony earlier in the year. Now it

:11:59. > :12:04.is leading the march to train 2,000 soldiers in Mali's divided army.

:12:04. > :12:08.TRANSLATION: The Malian army has fall tonne an all-time low. We did

:12:08. > :12:13.not have the training or the equipment. Now that the training is

:12:13. > :12:16.available to us, and the equipment, people are motivated. I think that

:12:16. > :12:21.the standards will improve. Credibility is a problem when

:12:21. > :12:27.Islamists got close to Bamako in January, soldiers abandoned their

:12:27. > :12:36.positions. In scrub land north of the Malian capital, the first 700

:12:36. > :12:40.Malian troops are undergoing training. Marines are teaching the

:12:41. > :12:46.basics of handling firearms. Abilities are mixed. These soldiers

:12:46. > :12:52.still is have not fired a shot after training two weeks. No-one knows the

:12:52. > :13:01.size of the Mali military, last year a captain staged a coup. The

:13:01. > :13:08.#5er78's been accused of human rights abuses. We explain to them

:13:08. > :13:13.that we give them a box of tools. We show them the way. We show them the

:13:13. > :13:17.things that they have to keep in mind. New tools and perhaps a more

:13:17. > :13:21.thoughtful approach to the use of force. These men have the

:13:21. > :13:25.expectations of a nation on their shoulders. In the face of continued

:13:26. > :13:35.violence under the banner of Islamism, both Mali and Europe need

:13:35. > :13:39.this army to deliver results. This is BBC World News with me, Nick

:13:39. > :13:46.Gowing. Australians and New Zealanders attend dawn services

:13:46. > :13:51.around the world to mark Anzac Day from the First World War. A ballroom

:13:51. > :13:56.dancer who lost her left foot in the Boston marathon bombings vowed to

:13:56. > :14:02.dance again. She had been running in the marathon when a bomb exploded

:14:02. > :14:09.beside her. Despite her injuries, she wants to run in next year's

:14:09. > :14:13.Boston marathon. We heard a loud blast. The first bomb had gone off.

:14:13. > :14:23.We newbie the sheer sound of it, the smoke that it was not something that

:14:23. > :14:27.

:14:27. > :14:31.was just a fun thing, an explosion of confetti. I was terrified. I knew

:14:31. > :14:37.that there would be another explosion. By the videos that we saw

:14:37. > :14:44.we were about four feet from where the bomb was. We were not, we were

:14:44. > :14:49.knocked off our feet. I remember the air, the... Impact of the explosion

:14:49. > :14:56.hitting our, my chest. I remember being knocked off and knocked off

:14:57. > :15:02.our feet. We landed in this way and I said that I thought there was

:15:02. > :15:08.something wrong with my foot. We looked down. I looked down. There

:15:08. > :15:16.was blood everywhere. My friend's leg was clovred in blood. My left

:15:16. > :15:21.foot, my ankle from this, I won't take off my shoe I have dancer's

:15:21. > :15:27.feet! But my foot was missing from here to here, but this was connected

:15:27. > :15:31.and my toes were connected. The fireman said she has to go. I asked

:15:32. > :15:36.them to save my foot. I kept screaming it over again. When I

:15:37. > :15:42.dance I don't care about anything else at all. I could be having a

:15:42. > :15:47.horrible day and a horrible morning and if I could just dance for five

:15:47. > :15:51.minutes it would make it that much better. That is why this is hard. I

:15:51. > :15:57.can't get up and dance right now. I absolutely want to dance again and

:15:57. > :16:03.will dance again. I also want to run the marathon next year. I have a lot

:16:03. > :16:13.of people that have backed me up and support me even though they know I'm

:16:13. > :16:29.

:16:29. > :16:34.not a runner at all. There is so me, Nick Gowing. The latest

:16:34. > :16:41.headline: Over 6 million Spaniards are now looking for work as jobless

:16:41. > :16:46.figures hit a record high at 27.2%. Britain's economy grows by 0.3%, the

:16:46. > :16:51.country dodges a feared triple-dip recession.

:16:51. > :16:53.The publisher of a French celebrity magazine and a photographer who took

:16:53. > :16:57.pictures of a topless Duchess of Cambridge have been placed under

:16:57. > :17:00.formal investigation for breach of brevity. The pictures were taken

:17:01. > :17:04.while the royal couple was holidaying in southern France.

:17:04. > :17:09.Closer magazine has argued the photos were taken from a public road

:17:09. > :17:13.and therefore are not offensive. The BBC's Christian Fraser is following

:17:13. > :17:19.the story, and when he joined me from Paris, I asked whether the real

:17:19. > :17:22.issue is France's tight privacy laws. Yes, very tight, and a public

:17:22. > :17:25.criminal complaint was started in October. You might remember that

:17:25. > :17:29.back then the judge ordered the original photographs had to be

:17:29. > :17:35.handed over to the couple and for every day that they delayed, there

:17:35. > :17:40.would be an 8000 euros fine. The criminal complaint was interesting,

:17:41. > :17:44.because there were no name suspects on it, the public prosecutor has

:17:44. > :17:50.rigorously pursued it, as well he might, given the complainants, and

:17:50. > :17:55.he has come up with two names. The first is the executive director of

:17:56. > :18:00.the publisher of Closer magazine, the group owned by the former

:18:00. > :18:06.Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi. The second person is a

:18:06. > :18:10.freelance photographer from a local newspaper. She has admitted already,

:18:10. > :18:14.Nick, that she has taken pictures of the couple in their swimwear, which

:18:14. > :18:18.were printed in the local newspaper one week before the topless

:18:18. > :18:22.photographs appeared, but she denied taking the topless photographs. That

:18:22. > :18:28.will be the use you for the trial. What does the law say in France

:18:28. > :18:32.about privacy when there is this proliferation of digital photos?

:18:32. > :18:40.Does it have to be a journalist? Where is the line between private

:18:40. > :18:47.use and breach of brevity? Well, it is a grey area. I have to say that

:18:47. > :18:52.in France they have very strict privacy laws, and there are cases

:18:52. > :18:59.where celebrities have won cases for grudge breaches of privacy. These

:18:59. > :19:03.celebrity gossip magazines, what they tend to do is take a gamble,

:19:03. > :19:10.and educated risk. Know that they will probably be caught out by the

:19:10. > :19:14.courts. The finds only go up to 30,000 euros. Our viewers will know

:19:14. > :19:18.that these magazines will fly off the shelves, so they are probably

:19:18. > :19:24.worked out that the Prophet versus the risk is worth the gamble, and

:19:24. > :19:28.that is the problem for top there have been calls for Brucie laws to

:19:28. > :19:37.be looked at again, when the vines need to be stiff and is the big

:19:37. > :19:47.question. -- privacy laws. This is one across the bow was for media

:19:47. > :19:53.

:19:53. > :19:56.rampage in Mexico, damaging several buildings in the capital, and what

:19:56. > :20:06.is a pricing is that they are teachers, angry at sweeping

:20:06. > :20:35.

:20:35. > :20:40.the governing party, as well as those of the two main opposition

:20:40. > :20:46.parties. A senator's office was also badly damaged. Frightened workers

:20:46. > :20:49.were trapped inside as they attacked the building with pickaxes and

:20:49. > :20:56.sticks, breaking windows, spray-painting slogans and setting

:20:56. > :21:00.fires. The security forces have, for now, held back from breaking up the

:21:00. > :21:04.protests for fear of further igniting an already tense situation,

:21:04. > :21:09.but such an approach can only last for so long. The teachers union

:21:09. > :21:13.appears to have the support of local civilian defence groups which have

:21:13. > :21:18.started to take justice into their own hands, angry at what they see as

:21:18. > :21:21.in action and corruption by the state. If the separate groups have

:21:21. > :21:31.joined forces, it presents a potentially major stumbling block

:21:31. > :21:34.

:21:34. > :21:37.Tens of thousands of Australians and New Zealanders have attended

:21:37. > :21:42.services around the world to commemorate Anzac Day for the first

:21:43. > :21:48.time the role of indigenous soldiers is also being acknowledged. Anzac

:21:48. > :21:53.Day mark the 90th anniversary of one of the most badly botched operations

:21:53. > :21:57.of World War I, the Gallipoli landings of 1915. Thousands died in

:21:57. > :22:01.a doomed attack off the Turkish coast. From Sydney, Phil Mercer

:22:01. > :22:05.reports. Anzac Day is a time for two

:22:05. > :22:11.countries to reflect on a military disaster that took place almost a

:22:11. > :22:16.century ago. It commemorates the campaign at Gallipoli in 1915 by the

:22:16. > :22:20.Australian and New Zealand army call. For many, their courage and

:22:20. > :22:24.enemy fire helped to forge the national identity of the former

:22:24. > :22:29.British colonies. Historians say that it is growing in significance

:22:29. > :22:39.as the young embrace the sacrifice that the vein Australian military

:22:39. > :22:42.traditions. -- define. Many make the pilgrimage to the Gallipoli

:22:42. > :22:49.Peninsula in Turkey, where Australian and New Zealand also is

:22:50. > :22:59.landed 98 years ago and suffered enormous casualties. -- forces. More

:23:00. > :23:06.

:23:06. > :23:12.Australian, died more than a decade ago, but the legend and yours. Anzac

:23:12. > :23:17.Day is the most revered date on the Australian calendar. Veterans from

:23:17. > :23:27.more recent conflicts in East Timor, the Solomon Islands, Iraq and

:23:27. > :23:30.

:23:30. > :23:35.Afghanistan are encouraged to take The night... He made his name in big

:23:35. > :23:43.box office hits, but Robert Redford's real passion is for small

:23:43. > :23:47.independent movies, and that is why he set up a film Festival in Utah.

:23:47. > :23:52.This weekend the festival and its ambitions moved to London. Charlie

:23:52. > :23:58.Stayt asked him what makes a big star want to promote low-budget

:23:58. > :24:04.movies. When I was a kid, I grew up in a lower working class

:24:04. > :24:09.neighbourhood. In those days, talking about the end of the Second

:24:09. > :24:17.World War, you would go to a theatre for 40 cents, you would maybe see

:24:17. > :24:21.two features, a newsreel about the war still going on. You saw a

:24:21. > :24:30.cartoon, maybe two, you saw a serial, Flash Gordon, wonder woman,

:24:30. > :24:35.Tarzana. So years later, I noticed that the concessions were kicked out

:24:35. > :24:39.sky-high, that is where they made their money. And then you had one

:24:39. > :24:46.film, and you had maybe six trailers blasting your ears off, advertising

:24:46. > :24:51.new films. What has happened to the experience of seeing films? That led

:24:51. > :24:55.to the idea of the Sundance Festival, showing films, and then

:24:55. > :25:00.the Sundance Cinemas, of which we now have seven, we wanted to

:25:00. > :25:05.recreate that experience work film was more respected. Yourself and

:25:05. > :25:10.Paul Newman and that year of stars, they see them as being different

:25:10. > :25:15.somehow. When you hear that, what do make of that argument? You know, to

:25:15. > :25:21.be honest with you, the way the business is now, to the point where

:25:21. > :25:27.it is almost boring, I am not sure I would be attracted to the business

:25:27. > :25:30.in today's climate. I do not know that I would be wanting to go into a

:25:30. > :25:36.profession where everything is known, when you do not have some

:25:36. > :25:42.privacy to live a life that is normal, more real in your mind.

:25:42. > :25:46.I ask you about the Bill Bryson book which you are making into a film?

:25:46. > :25:55.Originally, the idea was that you and Paul Newman would do that.

:25:55. > :25:58.was the idea, that was the hope, and when I took it to Paul, I think the

:25:58. > :26:05.age difference between us was beginning to show up, and he felt

:26:05. > :26:09.that, and he was concerned about it. I still wanted to do it with him, I

:26:09. > :26:12.thought it was perfect after the other two that we had done. It

:26:12. > :26:19.became clear over time that it was not going to be possible, and then

:26:19. > :26:25.Paul passed away. But I believe in the project, I love the project.

:26:25. > :26:29.Gatsby, he had a grand vision for his life since he was a boy...

:26:29. > :26:35.Gatsby is being remade, what did you think when you heard that? First of

:26:35. > :26:39.all, I think it is one of those timeless books. The one I was

:26:39. > :26:48.involved in was not even the second, I think. So this is a good film,